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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: mightytiges on January 29, 2007, 05:33:53 PM
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Terry mentioned the current top 15 at the end of training today:
1. Foley
2. Lids
3. Howat
Foley hit the front again today.
He also said that Casserly and Moore [edited] were doing well. IIRC Cass is in the top 10. Plough wouldn't say who was near the bottom as he doesn't mention names and some guys in the rehab group miss out on gaining points.
Plough also said that the points scale goes up as we get closer to the NAB Cup. I think it's now double points. The final day is Feb 16 so just over a couple of weeks to go.
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From the Herald-Sun
30 January 2007
Rebecca Williams
The Tigers are being judged by their performances on the track this pre-season, with NAB Cup places on the line.
Points are awarded after each session and the top 15 are guaranteed an automatic start in the pre-season competition.
After the points were updated yesterday, Nathan Foley was the pacesetter ahead of Brett Deledio and rookie Cameron Howat.
"As it's got closer to NAB, the points for each session have ramped up," Wallace said.
"There's three weeks to go and they are still all vying for positions."
Wallace said rookie-listed Howat, the untried Travis Casserly and Kelvin Moore, who has played just two senior games, were three youngsters pushing for selection based on their training form.
The Tigers play their NAB Cup opener against Geelong at Skilled Stadium on February 25.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,21138992%255E20322,00.html
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Closing in on the NAB 15 Challenge
3:22:44 PM Wed 31 January, 2007
Richmond coach Terry Wallace
richmondfc.com.au
* The final points will be allocated on February 16 following our intra-club practice match at Cranbourne.
* Players such as Nathan Foley, Brett Deledio, Cam Howat, Richard Tambling, Shane Tuck and Kane Johnson have led from the outset and set a cracking pace for their teammates to follow, while we have had other performers who have been up and down over the course of the pre-season.
* With the scoring system we’re using in the NAB 15 Challenge, no player can ever feel comfortable. You may build up an early lead, only to have it cut back later in the pre-season. This occurs as we ramp up the points each week getting closer to the NAB Cup, which means that even if you are behind, there are enough “heavy points” up for grabs to still give you sufficient opportunity to catch up. So there should be no reason for players conceding and dropping away. A football session that was worth 50 points pre-Christmas is now worth 200 points per player. As the urgency and intensity rises, so does the points-scoring system. This will show us who handles the pressure and who falls at the last hurdle . . .
* Current top 25 prior to this week's training:
1. Nathan Foley - 2537
2. Brett Deledio - 2518
3. Cam Howat - 2494
4. Richard Tambling - 2369
5. Shane Tuck - 2269
6. Kane Johnson - 2210
7. Greg Tivendale - 2177
8. Kelvin Moore - 2167
9. Joel Bowden - 2146
10. Matthew Richardson - 2142
11. Patrick Bowden - 2127
12. Andrew Krakouer - 2124
13. Travis Casserly - 2122
14. Kayne Pettifer - 2103
15. Graham Polak - 2090
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16. Matthew White - 2066
17. Andrew Raines - 2063
18. Ray Hall - 2059
19. Chris Newman - 2040
20. Dean Polo - 2030
21. Daniel Jackson - 1993
22. Trent Knobel - 1961
23. Mark Coughlan - 1924
24. Luke McGuane - 1921
25. Jake King - 1917
Full article at: http://richmondfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=313114
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Interesting that Nathan Brown is supposed to be flying, yet isn't even in the top 25 :gobdrop
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Interesting that Nathan Brown is supposed to be flying, yet isn't even in the top 25 :gobdrop
I was thinking the same thought myself
also great to see some of the "whipping boys" in the top 10 :whistle
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Anyone wanna comment on Meyer and Pattison and why they dont feature in the top 25. Picks 12 and 16...I expect better.
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Anyone wanna comment on Meyer and Pattison and why they dont feature in the top 25. Picks 12 and 16...I expect better.
You took the words right out of my mouth.
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Anyone wanna comment on Meyer and Pattison and why they dont feature in the top 25. Picks 12 and 16...I expect better.
OK just on the list those at the top surprisingly? are midfield players. The first ruckman type is Hall at 18 on 2059 points and then Knobel at 22 with 1961. So given the ruckman types are all down low then Pattison not being there is not as big a shock as Meyer not being there.
They were both in the top 15 on December 16 (as was Brown)
1. Deledio 997
2. Johnson 988
3. Howat 986
4. Foley 985
5. Tuck 972
6. Tambling 924
7. Richardson 923
8. Tivendale 897
9. Brown 885
10. P. Bowden 881
11. Meyer 879
12. Moore 869
13. Polo 868
14. Pattison 864
15. Jackson 842
So how about we wait until the final list until we start an investigation?
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1. Nathan Foley - 2537
2. Brett Deledio - 2518
3. Cam Howat - 2494
4. Richard Tambling - 2369
5. Shane Tuck - 2269
6. Kane Johnson - 2210
7. Greg Tivendale - 2177
8. Kelvin Moore - 2167
9. Joel Bowden - 2146
10. Matthew Richardson - 2142
11. Patrick Bowden - 2127
12. Andrew Krakouer - 2124
13. Travis Casserly - 2122
14. Kayne Pettifer - 2103
15. Graham Polak - 2090
So these 15 at the moment are assured of a spot in the first NAB cup game, but what about the blokes who 'would' have got a game anyway, like Richo, J. Bowden, K. Johnson. Do the next 3 on the list get promoted in?
P.S. Good to see Casserley and Polak in the 15.
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The big positive I see from that list is 12 of the top 20 weren't in our senior side before Wallace took over. Whatever system the coaches use they got the top 4 spot on IMO.
Anyone wanna comment on Meyer and Pattison and why they dont feature in the top 25. Picks 12 and 16...I expect better.
Yet everyone's favourite Tiger is seventh lol.
As Gracie pointed out there's only one ruckman in the top 25 and IIRC Knobel is our best swimmer and finished highest in the Pier to Pub swim. Simmo would be in our top 6 players but he isn't on that list either. So that explains Patto.
Most of the names at the top make sense to me but I've got no idea why Browny isn't there based on watching training ???. I can only fathom that if you're a small forward (FP or HFF), there aren't too many points on offer. Okay Petts is 14th but he has being playing in a number of possies including behind the ball. We also don't see what happens back at Punt Rd. Cogs has done hardly any full-scale training sessions but is still 23rd. Simmo mentioned in a interview last week that Browny is all talk and no action in the boxing ring lol. Tucky is best in the ring.
As for Danny, IMO he needs to improve his endurance and defensive aspects of his game (not robinson curisoe in the latter when it comes to shepharding and protecting the ballcarrier). Not sure how playing in a graveyard position like HFF helps that. He's not quite as natural a runner as others his size. More the type of footballer that will hurt you by foot if he gets 20 possies rather than running you ragged picking up 35.
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As for Danny, IMO he needs to improve his endurance and defensive aspects of his game (not robinson curisoe in the latter when it comes to shepharding and protecting the ballcarrier). Not sure how playing in a graveyard position like HFF helps that. He's not quite as natural a runner as others his size. More the type of footballer that will hurt you by foot if he gets 20 possies rather than running you ragged picking up 35.
Brown's endurance is likely a reason but Meyer's got stuff all excuses.
Big year for DM coming up. it'll be interesting to see if he's still on our list in '08.
My tip is he'll be traded..
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trading him will be a mistake. He can play. Hes the type of player you need in a grand final...he may get it only afew times, but hes got the capacity to nail an opposition. People on forums are asking that he be traded for people like Cameron Wood lol...thats just shocking lol...You dont cough up someone like Meyer for Wood. And even though Im a fan of the kid, Im disappointed that hes dropped back in the list.
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trading him will be a mistake. He can play. Hes the type of player you need in a grand final...he may get it only afew times, but hes got the capacity to nail an opposition.
Agree entirely with that Ramps. I'm a fan of Danny's and believe he will be a big plus for us as he matures but right now it's those things IMHO that he needs to work on.
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On a slightly different note what do you guys think will be our NAB Cup side based on that top 25 list?
Here's mine (not easy :-\ )
B. Moore Gas Raines
HB. Joel Polak Deledio
C: Tivs Tambling Paddy
HF: Pettifer Richo Krakouer
F: Browny Kingsley Jackson
R: Knobel Polo Foley
Int: Tuck Howat Casserly Johnson Patto White
Emg: Riewoldt, Schulz, McGuane
Bold names are the top 15.
Edit: lol I'd left out the captain
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trading him will be a mistake. He can play. Hes the type of player you need in a grand final...he may get it only afew times, but hes got the capacity to nail an opposition.
Agree entirely with that Ramps. I'm a fan of Danny's and believe he will be a big plus for us as he matures but right now it's those things IMHO that he needs to work on.
Sure he's got the skill, but as is mentioned all too often, has he got the desire???
For a small, fringe player it's a real worry that he's not higher on the table.
Many young, hungry guys on the list are lifting a peg or two, yet Meyer seems well off the pace. :(
Why is that? :-\
Considering he only has a one year deal, you would think he'd be breaking the door down to make this his year yet it doesn't even seem he'll get a jumper for the NAB cup. With feverish competition for stuff positions, more time at Coburg beckons for this third year player when he should be establishing himself in the senior 22.
Some fancy foot skills will not save him if he doesn't want to put in the yards.
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trading him will be a mistake. He can play. Hes the type of player you need in a grand final...he may get it only afew times, but hes got the capacity to nail an opposition. People on forums are asking that he be traded for people like Cameron Wood lol...thats just shocking lol...You dont cough up someone like Meyer for Wood. And even though Im a fan of the kid, Im disappointed that hes dropped back in the list.
i agree
DM will be a required player.
mark my words, he is the next wanganeen
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Is tucky going to be the quiet achiever and get under everyone's guards ... just maybe .....
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Is tucky going to be the quiet achiever and get under everyone's guards ... just maybe .....
He's apparently getting under everyone's guard in the Club's boxing ring ;). Seriously though he is looking more like his 2005 self at training. Hopefully he has a better year this year. Last year, especially in the second half of the season, he looked slow against the better midfields.
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trading him will be a mistake. He can play. Hes the type of player you need in a grand final...he may get it only afew times, but hes got the capacity to nail an opposition.
Agree entirely with that Ramps. I'm a fan of Danny's and believe he will be a big plus for us as he matures but right now it's those things IMHO that he needs to work on.
Sure he's got the skill, but as is mentioned all too often, has he got the desire???
For a small, fringe player it's a real worry that he's not higher on the table.
Many young, hungry guys on the list are lifting a peg or two, yet Meyer seems well off the pace. :(
Why is that? :-\
Considering he only has a one year deal, you would think he'd be breaking the door down to make this his year yet it doesn't even seem he'll get a jumper for the NAB cup. With feverish competition for stuff positions, more time at Coburg beckons for this third year player when he should be establishing himself in the senior 22.
Some fancy foot skills will not save him if he doesn't want to put in the yards.
Yep only Meyer can answer that this year. I still reckon he needs senior AFL games to improve his game both fitness and defensive wise. As Ramps was alluding to, the type of footballer who will rise as the standard around him does.
Speaking of Tigers whose desire at times has been questioned, Clever was one who I thought might have been in the top 25. He still has a long way to go but the last week or two he appears to have taken a step forward like something has clicked in his mind. Perhaps playing in the backline has been good education for him.
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trading him will be a mistake. He can play. Hes the type of player you need in a grand final...he may get it only afew times, but hes got the capacity to nail an opposition. People on forums are asking that he be traded for people like Cameron Wood lol...thats just shocking lol...You dont cough up someone like Meyer for Wood. And even though Im a fan of the kid, Im disappointed that hes dropped back in the list.
Ramps, I think you've got your rose coloured glasses on there my friend. Meyer hasn't done anything anywhere that warrants that type of validation you are prepared to give him. On the other hand though Meyer has shown that he seems like a loafing lazy bastard and if he doesn't get up and show something substantial this year, then a trade is certainly on.
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People shouldnt forget we are talking about a 19 year old whose probably played about 15 games lol...he had one very good game vs Geelong, people also forget the odd cameos, the goal from the boundary late in the season at the G and other stuff. He has the ability to do stuff other players dont. Obviously I dont know whats in his head, as I said Im disappointed hes not in the top 15 but HFF is not an easy place to play. He should be given games of HBF and the Wing ... Im confident he can rise to the occasion.
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People shouldnt forget we are talking about a 19 year old whose probably played about 15 games lol...he had one very good game vs Geelong, people also forget the odd cameos, the goal from the boundary late in the season at the G and other stuff. He has the ability to do stuff other players dont. Obviously I dont know whats in his head, as I said Im disappointed hes not in the top 15 but HFF is not an easy place to play. He should be given games of HBF and the Wing ... Im confident he can rise to the occasion.
After reading the full article, he could be 26th and next session pick up maximum points and shoot to 15th or 16th.
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Here is the latest NAB top 25 with some interesting movers.
The talented Tiger small man is still narrowly ahead of Brett Deledio, with Cam Howat not far away in third place.
Biggest movers for the week were Daniel Jackson (up eight places to 13th), Matthew White (up six places to 10th), Andrew Raines (up five places to 12th), Joel Bowden (up five places to 14th ), Kayne Pettifer (up five places to 9th) and Andrew Krakouer (up four places to 8th), while Brent Hartigan, Nathan Brown, Darren Gaspar, Adam Pattison and Angus Graham all worked their way into the top 25.
There’s bound to be plenty of movement in the NAB 15 Challenge this week with the Tigers playing an intra-club practice match at Wonthaggi on Wednesday afternoon (from 4pm). Most of the Club’s older players will be rested for this trial game, as will Richard Tambling and Andrew Krakouer, who are set to represent the Indigenous All-Stars in a big pre-season match against Essendon at Darwin’s TIO Stadium on Friday night.
The top 15 players on the NAB 15 Challenge board following Richmond’s intra-club practice match at Casey Fields in Cranbourne on Friday, February 16, will be rewarded with automatic selection in the Tigers’ team for the pre-season series opener against Geelong at Skilled Stadium on Sunday, February 25.
The latest NAB Challenge standings . . .
Rank Player Points
1. Nathan Foley 3294
2. Brett Deledio 3200
3. Cam Howat 3061
4. Richard Tambling 3029
5. Greg Tivendale 2885
6. Shane Tuck 2879
7. Kane Johnson 2858
8. Andrew Krakouer 2851
9. Kayne Pettifer 2819
10. Matthew White 2809
11. Kelvin Moore 2741
12. Andrew Raines 2708
13. Daniel Jackson 2657
14. Joel Bowden 2655
15. Graham Polak 2652
16. Chris Newman 2631
17. Patrick Bowden 2624
18. Dean Polo 2568
19. Brent Hartigan 2561
20. Matthew Richardson 2506
21. Darren Gaspar 2503
22. Nathan Brown 2501
23. Angus Graham 2500
Equal 24. Luke McGuane 2466
Equal 24. Adam Pattison 2466
http://richmondfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=313656
Edit: added link
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5 changes since last week
In: Browny, Hartigan, Pattison, Graham, Gas
Out: Casserly, Knobel, Cogs :'(, Razor, King
A few big movers as well although injuries to Richo and Casserly has seen them drop a fair way.
Jacko +8
White +6
Rainesy, Petts +5
Krak into the top 8.
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So can anyone tell me where Jarred Oakley Nichols is at, I haven't heard anything about him the whole pre-season.
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So can anyone tell me where Jarred Oakley Nichols is at, I haven't heard anything about him the whole pre-season.
In the rehab group WA Tiger
Stress fractures - in the shin, though a couple of times GM has said they're in the foot but I pretty sure it's in the shin. Wherever they maybe - it's definitely a case of stress fractures
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So can anyone tell me where Jarred Oakley Nichols is at, I haven't heard anything about him the whole pre-season.
In the rehab group WA Tiger
Stress fractures - in the shin, though a couple of times GM has said they're in the foot but I pretty sure it's in the shin. Wherever they maybe - it's definitely a case of stress fractures
WP is right. JON wears a brace or guard around his lower leg at training although he's in the rehab group and at most has only done some runs along and around the boundary and some reflex handball drills. No kicking of the footy whatsoever this preseason. He looks like being another Tiger who can write-off 2007 :(.
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Great, why doesn't this poo happen at the Eagles or Dorkers???
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There was supposed to be an update every Monday as to the positions has anyone heard??
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There was supposed to be an update every Monday as to the positions has anyone heard??
Nothing from Wallace on the RFC site WAT and I couldn't get to training today. This is the last week for the boys to gain points.
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So can anyone tell me where Jarred Oakley Nichols is at, I haven't heard anything about him the whole pre-season.
In the rehab group WA Tiger
Stress fractures - in the shin, though a couple of times GM has said they're in the foot but I pretty sure it's in the shin. Wherever they maybe - it's definitely a case of stress fractures
WP is right. JON wears a brace or guard around his lower leg at training although he's in the rehab group and at most has only done some runs along and around the boundary and some reflex handball drills. No kicking of the footy whatsoever this preseason. He looks like being another Tiger who can write-off 2007 :(.
I believe JON took part in training today. :thumbsup
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Yeah maybe he is saving the final points tally for after this weeks intra club game.
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So can anyone tell me where Jarred Oakley Nichols is at, I haven't heard anything about him the whole pre-season.
In the rehab group WA Tiger
Stress fractures - in the shin, though a couple of times GM has said they're in the foot but I pretty sure it's in the shin. Wherever they maybe - it's definitely a case of stress fractures
WP is right. JON wears a brace or guard around his lower leg at training although he's in the rehab group and at most has only done some runs along and around the boundary and some reflex handball drills. No kicking of the footy whatsoever this preseason. He looks like being another Tiger who can write-off 2007 :(.
I believe JON took part in training today. :thumbsup
Gee it would be great to see him pull the boots on soon, maybe in the intra club game.
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Krak continues to rise
4:43:12 PM Mon 12 February, 2007
Tony Greenberg
richmondfc.com.au
Andrew Krakouer was the big mover on the ‘NAB 15 Challenge’ leader board at Punt Road this week . . .
The 24-year-old veteran of 93 league games with Richmond, jumped four places into fourth position overall as the fiercely competitive pre-season Challenge entered its final week.
Nathan Foley has retained his No. 1 ranking, followed closely by Brett Deledio (2nd) and Cam Howat (3rd).
Other key movers at Tigerland over the past seven days have been Joel Bowden (up four places to 10th), Patrick Bowden (up five places to 12th), Nathan Brown (up five places to 17th) and rookie-list player Angus Graham (up four places to 19th).
Only 400 points separate positions 15-29 on the leader board and with 1100 points up for grabs in the final week of the Challenge (including 600 in Friday’s intra-club practice match at Casey Fields in Cranbourne), there’s bound to be some frenetic action.
The latest NAB Challenge standings . . .
1. Nathan Foley 4029
2. Brett Deledio 3905
3. Cam Howat 3836
4. Andrew Krakouer 3511
5. Richard Tambling 3484
6. Greg Tivendale 3465
7. Kayne Pettifer 3449
8. Kane Johnson 3448
9. Shane Tuck 3434
10. Joel Bowden 3400
11. Matthew White 3374
12. Patrick Bowden 3359
13. Andrew Raines 3358
14. Graham Polak 3347
15. Chris Newman 3326
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16. Kelvin Moore 3301
17. Nathan Brown 3291
18. Daniel Jackson 3207
19. Angus Graham 3185
20. Dean Polo 3183
21. Matthew Richardson 3181
22. Brent Hartigan 3151
23. Adam Pattison 3136
24. Luke McGuane 3086
25. Danny Meyer 2981
http://richmondfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=314618
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Changes in positions over the past 3 weeks:
Foley 1, 1, 1
Deledio 2, 2, 2
Howat 3, 3, 3
Krak 12, 8, 4
Tambo 4, 4, 5
Tivs 7, 5, 6
Pettifer 14, 9, 7
Johnno 6, 7, 8
Tuck 5, 6, 9
Joel 9, 14, 10
White 16, 10, 11
Paddy 11, 17, 12
Raines 17, 12, 13
Polak 15, 15, 14
Newman 19, 16, 15
Moore 8, 11, 16
Brown -, 22, 17
Jackson 21, 13, 18
Graham -, 23, 19
Polo 20, 18, 20
Richo 10, 20, 21
Hartigan -, 19, 22
Pattison -, 24, 23
McGuane 24, 24, 24
Meyer -, -, 25
Casserly 13, -, -
Hall 18, -, -
Knobel 22, - , -
Cogs 23, -, -
King 25, -, -
Gas -, 21, -
Tigers never in top 25 in that time
Hughes
Simmo (broken ankle), Kingsley (hammy), Schulz (hammy), Petersen (OP), JON (stress fracture), Hyde (OP), Thursty (knee)
Riewoldt, Edwards, Connors, Collins, Clingan
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meyer is a worry.
he may have the talent and skills, but imo, no desire to be at tigerland
he should be busting his pooper valve to be in the top ten
not good enough!
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lets hope krak can have a red hot season!!!!
shut up a few ppl
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Meyer at least is in the top 25 now. He probably is where Petts was 2-3 years ago.
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Meyer at least is in the top 25 now. He probably is where Petts was 2-3 years ago.
still a worry, i dont see him at tigerland in 2008, hope im wrong and he pulls his finger out of his u know what, but i just dont think is is happy here
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Meyer is going to have a good year. Expect him to get into the best on Fridays intraclub game