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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Ramps on April 01, 2007, 07:52:55 PM
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An absolute Disgrace. Losing to Carlton lol. And the truth is they deserved to beat us. They played better. And I got even worse news, theyre younger players are better than ours. We will be bottom 4 this year. Another year of mediocrity is upon us...and we have no one to blame but ourselves. As Diggler would say- Its time to book the caravan parks for September.
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Blues had more run in their legs because they've had a better pre-season to get off to a good start.
Doesn't mean they're going to be there at the end of the year and doesn't mean we won't be.
But I do have a question about why we didn't put more run in our guys legs. Up at Wonthaggi, half the team were sitting in the stands. Why didn't they at least give these guys a quarter or half of footy. We have not prepared well for the opening games - hopefully, we'll get better as we did last year.
Not over yet, Ramps, but it was really ordinary to give away a 27 point lead like that. Full credit to Carlton for the way they played. They wanted it more, they played better and some of our older players really need to have a good, hard look at themselves. Not pointing out anyone because they'll be highlighted ad nauseam by others, but really disappointing.
And of course their kids are better than ours - they've been pillaging the draft for the last couple of years. Wallace stated you don't have to bottom out to go up the ladder. It's probably the only thing I question Wallace's ability to build a list like Carlton is doing now. What a crappy competition that you have to wish you'd finish bottom :banghead
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I feel no sense of hope with the list of players we have as it stands, Nick Stevens today showed every midfielder in the competition what you must do when your sides under the pump. I cant be stuffed going into big analysis we overrate our list, we are bottom 4 and if we are lucky we will finish bottom with less than 3 wins.
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I feel no sense of hope with the list of players we have as it stands, Nick Stevens today showed every midfielder in the competition what you must do when your sides under the pump. I cant be stuffed going into big analysis we overrate our list, we are bottom 4 and if we are lucky we will finish bottom with less than 3 wins.
I think that's what Terry was telling us - in other words, be prepared for more disappointment to come.
And he's right, and you're right, we have a very ordinary list of seniors and no depth in between them and the kids.
Wallace is not responsible for our list. He is trying to fix it, and also make the club competitive - unfortunately, because we do, we finish 9th or 10th, which leaves us too high to get any of the kids coming through.
Now I know for a fact that Richmond ppl want to win games and not chuck games to try and finish as low down as possible. Well, they're going to have to keep on accepting these mediocre performances for a long time yet, because that's how the system works these days.
Again, not Wallace's fault.
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I feel no sense of hope with the list of players we have as it stands, Nick Stevens today showed every midfielder in the competition what you must do when your sides under the pump. I cant be stuffed going into big analysis we overrate our list, we are bottom 4 and if we are lucky we will finish bottom with less than 3 wins.
Blues had more run in their legs because they've had a better pre-season to get off to a good start.
Doesn't mean they're going to be there at the end of the year and doesn't mean we won't be.
But I do have a question about why we didn't put more run in our guys legs. Up at Wonthaggi, half the team were sitting in the stands. Why didn't they at least give these guys a quarter or half of footy. We have not prepared well for the opening games - hopefully, we'll get better as we did last year.
Not over yet, Ramps, but it was really ordinary to give away a 27 point lead like that. Full credit to Carlton for the way they played. They wanted it more, they played better and some of our older players really need to have a good, hard look at themselves. Not pointing out anyone because they'll be highlighted ad nauseam by others, but really disappointing.
And of course their kids are better than ours - they've been pillaging the draft for the last couple of years. Wallace stated you don't have to bottom out to go up the ladder. It's probably the only thing I question Wallace's ability to build a list like Carlton is doing now. What a crappy competition that you have to wish you'd finish bottom :banghead
i have to agree with both your comments
geez i think the writing was on the wall when sugar kicked the pill the wrong way in the opening seconds of the game
it does my head in when we play like we did in the 2nd quarter and then like clowns the rest of the game...
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Kane Johnson is the biggest stuffen joke @ the club.
What a stuffen dildo !
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If you win 3 games or less do you get a 1st round priority pick?
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no I think they scrubbed that one Ramps.
Interesting to see that the AFL has Gaspar in their best players on their website, whoever wrote that obviously thinks that fumbling one metre handballs from your team mates doesn't detract from your game.
Let me point something out to the person who is picking the best players for the AFL- you need to be able to catch the ball in less than 3 tries to be an effective player of football, this applies to the AFL as much as it does in a Division 3 game in metropolitan Melbourne.
Gaspar stunk!
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What's with all the pessimism ???
We gotta get behind our Tiges, coz who else will.
Come on, let's all get fired up like X :thumbsup
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What's with all the pessimism ???
We gotta get behind our Tiges, coz who else will.
Come on, let's all get fired up like X :thumbsup
I'd like to Bluey, it's just hard after what I just watched! Why can't the best 18, of the mighty Richmond Football Club, include a few blokes who can take the ball first grab. It's not that hard, my mum would've clean caught some of the handballs that Gaspar fumbled today.
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Some things never change, RFC is a Rabble and will be for some time to come.
Positive is that we only have to wait another 4 years for our window to open.
Same things happen every year, glimpses of promise and then the same mistakes and they are made by the same players.
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I feel no sense of hope with the list of players we have as it stands, Nick Stevens today showed every midfielder in the competition what you must do when your sides under the pump. I cant be stuffed going into big analysis we overrate our list, we are bottom 4 and if we are lucky we will finish bottom with less than 3 wins.
Correct.
Just got home.
Cant be bothered.
At the end of the day, our players arent up to it, full stop.
If anyone beleives we have a good or fair list, I will ring the AFL drug testing team up to come at test you as you are on drugs!
Will finish bottom 4
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That's the spirit! ::) ::) ::)
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That's the spirit! ::) ::) ::)
Steph, just stating the facts.
We are not goood enough.
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By R11 the season will have been completely trashed. Just saw the draw- Its gonna get really bad.
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Just as long as you don't start blaming Wallace for our list, Jack.
The only players that seem to have a go are the kids - same as last year. He's getting something out of them at least, even if the senior players are crap.
You tell us how you fix it.
Do you tank it for a season and get some easy picks and totally destroy the faith of the Tiger faithful, or do you just keep on plodding with what you've got to work with (which ain't much) and finish a mediocre 9th again.
It is a real dilemma IMO and not one easily fixed, hence what Wallace was going on about last week about our expectations. We have to get realistic one day and look at it exactly where we are, and that's still a couple/few years away. No-one is disagreeing with you about our performance - we make terrible basic skill errors, but it's mostly coming from our seniors. And if your seasoned players are playing like that, what hope do the rest of them have.
It is totally unrealistic to judge a season on one game. IMO, I saw a lot worse from about 10 other teams on the weekend.
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Not judging on one game
Am lloking from mid season last year to now.
Dont think we have won many games in that time.
Someone will tell me how many games we have won since round 12 last year, its not many and its not going to improve either
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Not judging on one game
Am lloking from mid season last year to now.
Dont think we have won many games in that time.
Someone will tell me how many games we have won since round 12 last year, its not many and its not going to improve either
Would have been nice if you'd answered my question instead of regurgitating the bleeding obvious :banghead
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I will tell you, not tonite though, am going to bed.
To be blunt, the senior players arent playing there nutural game.
Was Kane Johnson ever an on baller, NO!
The game plan we play doesnt suit the majority of our players.
We are trying to play run and chip etc.
If you watched the saints on friday nite, they released players into space eg Montagna ,Fiora etc.
Our players dont spread enough at stoppages.
They also present to close to the contest.
As I said, the game plan stinks in my opinion.
Eg Bowden kicking the ball 25 metres.etc
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i just got home
im stuffed
drained
but in the mood to kill someone.
questions i want to ask
why di sugar kick the pill 50 metres deep into teh blues fwd 50 in the very first clearance............that set the standard......gr8 captain......not
gaspar may have beat big red b8ut come on , he stinks. he cost us the game, game away many easy goals because he paid no respect to his new opponent in waite.
whats hith the f u c $%^&*( handballs that continually hit players ankles
whats with pettifer trying to fake free kicks during critical times, rather than going hard 4 the ball
whats with this game plan, what plan, 100 more possessions than them and still get beat
why cant we still bury sides, 29 pts up and looking ok and then fall apart
at least we cant blame tivendale nor krak today, they were our best players .
but i have faith, we will come good in 6 yrs time
my prediction is by rnd 12 , terry will run out of excuses, and the rumblings wil begin
not enough tiger men at the club, too many ex bulldogs
f em
hate em
i have had it, next week the swans will murder us
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just like adelaide did last year ;D
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at least we cant blame tivendale nor krak today, they were our best players .
Sunday 1/4/07 - mark it your diaries folks :rollin
"at least we cant blame tivendale'
Well said X :thumbsup
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at least we cant blame tivendale
I'm waiting for you to say "Aprils Fools!" ;D
;)
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april fools day , wp
na just kidding , tiv and krak got us back in the game, tive was very good, cant say the same about sugar(sorry mt)
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at least we cant blame tivendale
I'm waiting for you to say "Aprils Fools!" ;D
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we thought the same thing at the same time ,,spooky
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17 more scoring shots is a big discrepancy.
We were unable to get it out from the centre square from half way through the third quarter at all. At the stoppages we were beaten by a team who wanted it more desperately than we did when the game was up for grabs. The only centre break Johnson got when 60 metres Carltons way. Our game play and skill level has remained stagnant for the last 25 years. Kick it at the bootlaces of a 6 foot 4 guy running at full pace. Terry has us playing a Bulldogs circa 1998 game plan when clearly we do not have the skill capabilities to conjucively play this. A win tonight would have at least set us up nicely after all the negative vibes. 27 points up with a 3 on 1 situation within our 50 and a chance to go 33 up and our men couldn't hit a target and Carlton got the goal to bring them bank. Game changed after that. Carlton got the run on Tigers stagnated and Terry was outcoached. Surely after two qick goals to start the second half we could have gone on with it. Not us. Can Terry please leave this media friendly persona he has by conducting press conference over any AFL issue or taking players into the post match press conferences and just full time coach the team b/c that is what we a re paying him to do. Terry is a better salesman than coach currently. He has sold the board on his plans and many of the supporters.
As for your comments Ramps. Totally agree with you mate. Overestimation of our team and youngsters. Carlton are ahead of us in terms of their youngsters development and with the way the system is you need to be a bottom 4 side for about 5 seasons to reap the benefits of the draft in order to have a successful side. Our draw is horrific looking at it. The only team I can see us having a chance to beat in the first 8 games is Collingwood in round 3. It will be a long and bleak year ahead of us. I am just sick of hearing 3-4 yrs down the track we will have our window of opportunity. I can recall Greg Miller saying something similar after a horrific loss to the Pies in 2003. We are the butt of all footy jokes. Two finals appearances in a quarter of the century. Even Fitzroy who no longer exist as a single entity have had more finals appearances than us since 1982.
Just continues to be a sad sad sad state of affairs.
I am gutted devastated you name it. I feel like crap right now.
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april fools day , wp
na just kidding , tiv and krak got us back in the game, tive was very good, cant say the same about sugar(sorry mt)
Actually for the life of me I don't understand why the didn't throw Krak in the middle more today - he looks fitter than he ever has and I thought when we getting thumped inthe clearances we should tried him there
Actually there were quite a few things that left me...........er............perplexed
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Good news gents- Kruezer kicked 4 today lol. Although Cotchin and Morton and Bellchambers and afew others are after selection 1 of the national draft.
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ok guys now its my turn !
i just got home from the football too ...
what can i say ...
everything on this thread is what i'm thinking !
but of course i have things to say ...
i am going to try and point out who was at least ok tonight ...
carlton are poo ... (FULL STOP)
and if we can't beat them ...
well ... whats lower then poo ???
i don't know ...
its going to be another long "FULL OF poo" year ...
to tell you the truth ... i am upset at Terry Wallace ...
i am sick and tired of his rubbish ... as well as the players saying their predictions ...
anyone that says "its only round 1" ... don't you dare critise richmond at all this year ...
this is going to get worse ... and worse and worse ...
i agree with some people on here that said we will finish bottom 4 ...
i never thought we would make the f..... (i will never say that word towards richmond untill we are there)
this year ... i only predicticted using that ladder predicitor ...
but in my heart and head ... i know we aren't going to be there ...
back to Terry ...
Terry should shut the f*** up ... just shut your f***ing face ...
you keep talking up our chances and we go and play like this ...
the match was over in the 3rd quarter when we were leading ...
i could see it in the players ...
NO F***ING HEART ...
there are some who do have ... but its the team ...
Terry is trying ... no doubt ... and you no what ... is doing better then the last coach we had ...
but Terry ... STOP TALKING UP PUR CHANCES ... SAY F***ING NOTHING ...
to me ... all the pre-season work was what ??? a waste ???
where was the improvement ??? did anyone see it ???
our midfield was meant to be in fine fit condition ???
they out ran us ... BY THE 3RD QUARTER !!!
have i lost faith ... NO ...
i am pretty disapointed ...
they smashed us really ... the scoreboard says it !!!
40 - 25 scoring shots + fev's 2 out on the full ... 42 - 25 ...
there midfield more clearences ...
Nick Stevens ... Best on Ground ... killed us yet again ...
i am just really sick of richmond talking rubbish and playing like that ...
now i CBF talking about each players match but who i thought was ok ...
Richardson, Jay, Howat, Tivendale, Polo ...
WHY THE F*** DIDN'T TERRY LEAVE HOWAT ON THAT WING ???
i hardly didn't see him after half-time !
Johnson ... your bad ...
Moore and McGuane "F*** OFF"
Gaspar "F*** OFF"
Pattison ??? where the f*** were you tonight !
Andrew Raines got beaten tonight ...
Tambling ... YOUR VERY BAD
AND THIS PLAYER
BRETT DELEDIO !
what the hell is he doing ??? is he doing anything at all ???
where is this gun player that people are talking about ???
he has got what i call the "RICHMOND DISEASE"
DELEDIO PULL YOUR F***EN FINGER OUT !
Kayne Pettifer, i see now why people call you a GIRL !
go for the football and not the free kick ...
one-on-one with Gibbs and you played for the free kick you f***ing idiot !
Chris Newman ... not bad ...
Foley had 16 touches at quarter time ... he was going good ...
but what happened ??? i didn't see him in the centre after that ???
Joel Bowden you are poo ... as well as your brother FULL STOP ...
you getting 2 All-Australians is a joke ...
did anyone see the BOMBERS play today ???
I DIDN'T SEE THEM ... i just read the scores and i knew EXACTLY how they played !
why is it that our players seem to not give a F*** ???
NO HEART RICHMOND ...
if they don't learn from this match ... we're gone ...
the turnovers in the backline ???
wtf ???
our plan was so bad ... short passing isn't our game style ...
we lack a plan and a structure up forward still !
who is in charge of our midfield ??? Royal ???
wtf is he doing ???
where is our hard running, creating players ???
foley was that player but just left after that 1st quarter !
he was our link up player !
GET JAKE KING IN THE TEAM ...
GET ANDREW RAINES IN THE MIDFIELD NOW ...
that will free him up ...
Kane Johnson on the half-back line ...
Johnson should never play in the midfield ...
forget tagging ...
try to win the ball and kick goals ...
RICHMOND: GOALS WIN YOU MATCHES NOT POSESSIONS !!!
just kick goals ...
Andrew Krakouer ... when he was in the midfield at the bounce he won about 3-4 balls ...
get him in there !
use Krakouer for the bounce ... thats it !
Tuck ... wtf ... i don't understand him anymore ???
05 he was kicking it 100 metres ... now he is not kicking it at all ...
chris hyde should be our tagger ...
ok ... i am over this ... LMAO ...
a BAD loss ... is this worse then our start against the bulldogs ???
thats 3 bad starts in the 1st match under Terry Wallace !
05: Geelong 83 pts
06: W/B 100+ pts
07: Carlton 17 pts ... but we know how bad that was ...
The Richmond Football Club Is A Joke ... because our players have ...
NO HEART !
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Yes Torch 3rd season 3rd forst round loss for TW
2005 Richmond 15 8 98 Geelong 25 10 160 62 points
2006 W B'dogs 25 17 167 Richmond 7 10 52 115 points
2007 Carlton 15 25 115 Richmond 15 8 98 17 points
3 first round losses avg loss 65 pts
Agree with you Torch. Terry please shut up and do your job, coach the side.
Paul Roos aint media savvy and he does not need to be as generally his side is in the news for all the right reasons.
Please shut up TW and stop all those useless mid week press conferences on nothing and spend it on the betterment of the players psyche on your list.
Terry with all this crap we are all bark but no bite. Pls do not come out this week and vow to us that we will play 4 qtrs v Swans with no 2nd half fadeouts and lose by 10 pts and then tell us we were brave and you were happy with our committment and young player development.
SHUT THE F*** UP AND WIN.
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When did it stop ???. We knew before tonight we have an ordinary list still and so can't afford to have our best players in the stands or played underdone. I can't believe some people are shocked by tonight's result. As much as I was hoping we'd cause an upset, I was expecting to come home and find out we got blown off the 'G with the game over by half-time. All the signs were there based on past "efforts" but it didn't happen.
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I dont think shocked is the right word MT. I think most of us still have(had) this feeling that maybe things would come good for us. Theres always a tiny bit of hope. Me? I always start the year busting for the season to start and really hopeful about our chances...not this year, specially not after yesterday. I felt the same as everyone on here yesterday, a sick sinking feeling in my gut and dreading the year ahead, and i hate it, footy season is usually a highlight :(
i agree with HC 74........SHUT THE F*** UP AND WIN!!!!
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at least we cant blame tivendale nor krak today, they were our best players .
Sunday 1/4/07 - mark it your diaries folks :rollin
"at least we cant blame tivendale'
Well said X :thumbsup
Just wanted to see that again. ;)
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I dont think shocked is the right word MT. I think most of us still have(had) this feeling that maybe things would come good for us. Theres always a tiny bit of hope. Me? I always start the year busting for the season to start and really hopeful about our chances...not this year, specially not after yesterday. I felt the same as everyone on here yesterday, a sick sinking feeling in my gut and dreading the year ahead, and i hate it, footy season is usually a highlight :(
i agree with HC 74........SHUT THE F*** UP AND WIN!!!!
Fair enough 2JD. I'm just amazed by the doom and gloom reaction to a 3 goal loss in round 1.
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ok guys now its my turn !
i just got home from the football too ...
what can i say ...
everything on this thread is what i'm thinking !
but of course i have things to say ...
i am going to try and point out who was at least ok tonight ...
carlton are pooh ... (FULL STOP)
and if we can't beat them ...
well ... whats lower then pooh ???
i don't know ...
its going to be another long "FULL OF pooh" year ...
to tell you the truth ... i am upset at Terry Wallace ...
i am sick and tired of his rubbish ... as well as the players saying their predictions ...
anyone that says "its only round 1" ... don't you dare critise richmond at all this year ...
this is going to get worse ... and worse and worse ...
i agree with some people on here that said we will finish bottom 4 ...
i never thought we would make the f..... (i will never say that word towards richmond untill we are there)
this year ... i only predicticted using that ladder predicitor ...
but in my heart and head ... i know we aren't going to be there ...
back to Terry ...
Terry should shut the f*** up ... just shut your f***ing face ...
you keep talking up our chances and we go and play like this ...
the match was over in the 3rd quarter when we were leading ...
i could see it in the players ...
NO F***ING HEART ...
there are some who do have ... but its the team ...
Terry is trying ... no doubt ... and you no what ... is doing better then the last coach we had ...
but Terry ... STOP TALKING UP PUR CHANCES ... SAY F***ING NOTHING ...
to me ... all the pre-season work was what ??? a waste ???
where was the improvement ??? did anyone see it ???
our midfield was meant to be in fine fit condition ???
they out ran us ... BY THE 3RD QUARTER !!!
have i lost faith ... NO ...
i am pretty disapointed ...
they smashed us really ... the scoreboard says it !!!
40 - 25 scoring shots + fev's 2 out on the full ... 42 - 25 ...
there midfield more clearences ...
Nick Stevens ... Best on Ground ... killed us yet again ...
i am just really sick of richmond talking rubbish and playing like that ...
now i CBF talking about each players match but who i thought was ok ...
Richardson, Jay, Howat, Tivendale, Polo ...
WHY THE F*** DIDN'T TERRY LEAVE HOWAT ON THAT WING ???
i hardly didn't see him after half-time !
Johnson ... your bad ...
Moore and McGuane "F*** OFF"
Gaspar "F*** OFF"
Pattison ??? where the f*** were you tonight !
Andrew Raines got beaten tonight ...
Tambling ... YOUR VERY BAD
AND THIS PLAYER
BRETT DELEDIO !
what the hell is he doing ??? is he doing anything at all ???
where is this gun player that people are talking about ???
he has got what i call the "RICHMOND DISEASE"
DELEDIO PULL YOUR F***EN FINGER OUT !
Kayne Pettifer, i see now why people call you a GIRL !
go for the football and not the free kick ...
one-on-one with Gibbs and you played for the free kick you f***ing idiot !
Chris Newman ... not bad ...
Foley had 16 touches at quarter time ... he was going good ...
but what happened ??? i didn't see him in the centre after that ???
Joel Bowden you are pooh ... as well as your brother FULL STOP ...
you getting 2 All-Australians is a joke ...
did anyone see the BOMBERS play today ???
I DIDN'T SEE THEM ... i just read the scores and i knew EXACTLY how they played !
why is it that our players seem to not give a F*** ???
NO HEART RICHMOND ...
if they don't learn from this match ... we're gone ...
the turnovers in the backline ???
wtf ???
our plan was so bad ... short passing isn't our game style ...
we lack a plan and a structure up forward still !
who is in charge of our midfield ??? Royal ???
wtf is he doing ???
where is our hard running, creating players ???
foley was that player but just left after that 1st quarter !
he was our link up player !
GET JAKE KING IN THE TEAM ...
GET ANDREW RAINES IN THE MIDFIELD NOW ...
that will free him up ...
Kane Johnson on the half-back line ...
Johnson should never play in the midfield ...
forget tagging ...
try to win the ball and kick goals ...
RICHMOND: GOALS WIN YOU MATCHES NOT POSESSIONS !!!
just kick goals ...
Andrew Krakouer ... when he was in the midfield at the bounce he won about 3-4 balls ...
get him in there !
use Krakouer for the bounce ... thats it !
Tuck ... wtf ... i don't understand him anymore ???
05 he was kicking it 100 metres ... now he is not kicking it at all ...
chris hyde should be our tagger ...
ok ... i am over this ... LMAO ...
a BAD loss ... is this worse then our start against the bulldogs ???
thats 3 bad starts in the 1st match under Terry Wallace !
05: Geelong 83 pts
06: W/B 100+ pts
07: Carlton 17 pts ... but we know how bad that was ...
The Richmond Football Club Is A Joke ... because our players have ...
NO HEART !
Wow.
Reading that fires me up as well.
I agree with 90 % of that.
This is the one post I wish the club would read and then post it on the noticeboard for all the players to read.
IMO they all need to prove that want the jumper again.
All except about a half a dozen players.
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I can just see it now, a disgruntled feral who is sick of his regular september caravan holidays,
stalking Miller in his Budget hotel, at some interstate location and looking for another ageing
journey man to sign up as a tiger recruit, being Woolmered!!!!
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Carltons kids may end up being better than ours but it is too early to tell and to this stage ours have been better...
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Just as long as you don't start blaming Wallace for our list, Jack.
Gotta jump in here.
Wallace and Miller have to start taking responsibility for the list. They can't hide behind Danny Frawley forever.
During the 2004 draft we had a massive oportunity to steer this ship in the right direction. Somehow I feel we failed. Don't have a problem with the philosophy and reasoning of our first 2 picks (both highly regarded) but have a problem with the next 3. Atm I fear Tambling will not amount to anything. Then Meyer - he was the wrong type. Needed a big back or a strong inside mid with skill. He is none of these and the signs don't look good with him. The next 2, Polo and Patto, had massive question marks regarding skill level at the time of drafting. Still the case. Polo is not a solid body inside type with good skills. He is OK but I feel he won't be a matchwinner. Patto is passable at this stage, but will he be effective bigman? Again, there were better credentialled players at the time.
Only taking 3 kids in the 2005 draft is unforgivable. 2nd year in a rebuilding program and you only pick 3 players. And to make it worse our first pick was a speculative pick at best. There were far better credentialed players than JON. Hurn, Jones and Higgins to name just a few. We needed skillful inside mids and big backmen but totally ignored both.
Trading away pick 8 in 2006 was also the wrong thing to do. When you are rebuilding you stick to basics and you don't try to take short cuts. You take hold of your draft picks and you cherish them. You soley focus on the draft and analyse every single player. What was Wallace doing in the US during trade week. The most important period behind draft day and Wallace is away on holidays. Does this represent a coach that is 100% committed? One wonders how much research and time they put into the draft.
The honeymoon period is over for Wallace and Miller.
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Well said harry ,though one positive is that we now actually have a new recruiting officer.
I know it is too early to tell how good he is but going on what a few people have said its looking
promising..doesn't make up for mistakes in the past but maybe we will start to get somewhere now...
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I can just see it now, a disgruntled feral who is sick of his regular september caravan holidays,
stalking Miller in his Budget hotel, at some interstate location and looking for another ageing
journey man to sign up as a tiger recruit, being Woolmered!!!!
You got it very very wrong Diggler.
Its not the budget chain he stays in, is the Formula 1 ;)
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Wallace and Miller have to start taking responsibility for the list. They can't hide behind Danny Frawley forever.
True Harry but don't underestimate how stuffed our list was thanks to Spud.
During the 2004 draft we had a massive oportunity to steer this ship in the right direction. Somehow I feel we failed. Don't have a problem with the philosophy and reasoning of our first 2 picks (both highly regarded) but have a problem with the next 3. Atm I fear Tambling will not amount to anything. Then Meyer - he was the wrong type. Needed a big back or a strong inside mid with skill. He is none of these and the signs don't look good with him. The next 2, Polo and Patto, had massive question marks regarding skill level at the time of drafting. Still the case. Polo is not a solid body inside type with good skills. He is OK but I feel he won't be a matchwinner. Patto is passable at this stage, but will he be effective bigman? Again, there were better credentialled players at the time.
We got Simmo for Fiora so a big win there.
Patto will be fine. It's just going to take time. Remember he should be playing second fiddle to a senior ruckman but thanks to injuries he's going to have to do it on his own for the first month of the season.
Meyer is being played out of position even if Danny is partly too blame. Not saying he should be in the seniors but even at Coburg he should be played off a HBF; not in dead man's corner on a HFF. Coaches' fault that one.
Tambling may turn out fine in the long run but it is always a risk taking a 2nd division U18 player with an early first round pick.
Only taking 3 kids in the 2005 draft is unforgivable. 2nd year in a rebuilding program and you only pick 3 players. And to make it worse our first pick was a speculative pick at best. There were far better credentialed players than JON. Hurn, Jones and Higgins to name just a few. We needed skillful inside mids and big backmen but totally ignored both.
We got White as well but fair enough on this one. Winning all those games early on with Browny firing hurt us come draft time as well as 3 clubs IIRC getting priority picks ::) which pushed us back further. It hurts us that we have nothing worthy of trading once we traded away Ottens and Fiora given the hole in the middle of our list. Other clubs don't rate our mid-bracket and senior players.
Trading away pick 8 in 2006 was also the wrong thing to do. When you are rebuilding you stick to basics and you don't try to take short cuts. You take hold of your draft picks and you cherish them. You soley focus on the draft and analyse every single player. What was Wallace doing in the US during trade week. The most important period behind draft day and Wallace is away on holidays. Does this represent a coach that is 100% committed? One wonders how much research and time they put into the draft.
Too early to judge this lot. What was a mistake was rookieing two new smalls (Clingan and King) instead of one more young tall. Talls take longer to develop so there's always a chance of finding a hidden diamond.
The honeymoon period is over for Wallace and Miller.
That was always going to be the case given it was his third year. More pressure on Miller IMO as he was responsible for the 2003 draft as well. That draft was weak but Gilmour and Roach were servere blunders while Jackson will most likely be gone at the end of this year. The only real gains were Rainesy and Browny (trade) with Tuck being so-so.
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After reading this thread the main thought that comes to mind is............what a massive over-reaction!Some of the above words were driven by emotion, not rational thought. I understand that emotion,and share the disappointment, but I don't accept the over the top drivel that some people have spewed up.
As MT said or alluded to, Carlton were more match-fit from their 4 NAB games, and only had one "best 22" player out. We had key players in Brown, Cogs and Simmo out, along with Kingsley. They were up in confidence from their NAB premiership as well.
We ran out of legs, and got killed in the ruck. Had Simmo played, I think we would have won.
Anyway, it's only round one.Wait until you get the full picture that half a season would bring.Remember that last year we lost the first three, then came back to win 11 games.Wait a little while before slashing your wrists.
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As MT said or alluded to, Carlton were more match-fit from their 4 NAB games, and only had one "best 22" player out. We had key players in Brown, Cogs and Simmo out, along with Kingsley. They were up in confidence from their NAB premiership as well.
We ran out of legs, and got killed in the ruck. Had Simmo played, I think we would have won.
sorry i cant accept that.
we may have been down on man power, but all we have heard this pre season is how much fitter we are.
i actually thought our fitness was not the problem, we wore ourselves out by playing "hot potatoe" and "ring a ring a rosy".
we need to sopend a pre season based on skill work not just fitness.
wallace wore our team to the ground this preseason , they have started the season burned out, and with no improvement on skill level.
what bugs me , is terry pointed out the lack of fitness polac and simmonds had coming from freo, what a joke, he cant talk, as look at the state of our boys. if we were the fittest strongest team, then terry had every right to open his mouth, but look at us, and he goes out judging other clubs
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Wallace and Miller have to start taking responsibility for the list. They can't hide behind Danny Frawley forever.
The honeymoon period is over for Wallace and Miller.
Not saying they don't have to take responsibility for the choices they make, but a lot of it is a legacy of another era. None of those players are tradeable, you can't do a darn thing with them, so we've been hamstrung by what we're able to do come the draft.
They have to take responsibility for Brown - he was too old and didn't fit into Terry's formula - yet he still recruited him.
Yep, the honeymoon is over and I don't have a problem with people criticisiing Wallace and Miller for legitimate reasons, ie Wallace's game plan, recruitment etc. It's those with self-serving interests which I don't like, that you really have to look beyond and wonder why they would do such an about turn from previous years.
Anyone who tries to harm my club for their own selfish reasons and massive ego can go to hell.
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I'm not worried yet. Look at the teams that lost this round. Do you think the Crows or Freo have written their seasons off just because they were beaten by teams that performed well below them last season? Carlton are not the rabble they were last year, they have improved greatly and we looked undersized and not as match fit. I'm confident both of these things will be overcome in the very near future. I was pleased with Polak's performance as well as Tiv's. Foley's first half was also very good.
On the negative, Kane Johnson had a shocker. Sorry MT, The Sugar bandwagon has hit the telegraph pole of mediocrity and I have been catapulted into oblivion by its over inflated airbags. I doubt I will be getting back on anytime soon. :banghead
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As MT said or alluded to, Carlton were more match-fit from their 4 NAB games, and only had one "best 22" player out. We had key players in Brown, Cogs and Simmo out, along with Kingsley. They were up in confidence from their NAB premiership as well.
We ran out of legs, and got killed in the ruck. Had Simmo played, I think we would have won.
sorry i cant accept that.
we may have been down on man power, but all we have heard this pre season is how much fitter we are.
i actually thought our fitness was not the problem, we wore ourselves out by playing "hot potatoe" and "ring a ring a rosy".
we need to sopend a pre season based on skill work not just fitness.
wallace wore our team to the ground this preseason , they have started the season burned out, and with no improvement on skill level.
what bugs me , is terry pointed out the lack of fitness polac and simmonds had coming from freo, what a joke, he cant talk, as look at the state of our boys. if we were the fittest strongest team, then terry had every right to open his mouth, but look at us, and he goes out judging other clubs
We were flying 2 months ago before all the injuries set in. That's when the comments about being "fitter than ever" were being said. Hardly anything said since then ;). Just two many players went into the game yesterday underdone - Hyde, Paddy, Newy, Richo and Schulz on top of Simmo and Browny missing.
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Wallace and Miller have to start taking responsibility for the list. They can't hide behind Danny Frawley forever.
The honeymoon period is over for Wallace and Miller.
Not saying they don't have to take responsibility for the choices they make, but a lot of it is a legacy of another era. None of those players are tradeable, you can't do a darn thing with them, so we've been hamstrung by what we're able to do come the draft.
They have to take responsibility for Brown - he was too old and didn't fit into Terry's formula - yet he still recruited him.
Yep, the honeymoon is over and I don't have a problem with people criticisiing Wallace and Miller for legitimate reasons, ie Wallace's game plan, recruitment etc. It's those with self-serving interests which I don't like, that you really have to look beyond and wonder why they would do such an about turn from previous years.
Anyone who tries to harm my club for their own selfish reasons and massive ego can go to hell.
In my opinion, the game plan has been ordinary for the past 6 years.
Yesterday game was a joke. Actually those who went would say laughable.
And the captain kicking the wrong way ? By the way , who was he kicking too ?/ He wouldnt know as he didnt even look, now theres a great example for any young player.
Recruitment has been below par.
Recruiting no one with SIZE. Eg Have a look at West Coasts no1 Brown. No wonder they will make the finals again, they dont recruit "light weights HOPING they will bulk up like we continually do.
Can tell you the board are still seeving about Kent kinsgley being picked up.
Players such as jackson, hartigan, moore and wasting space on our list.
Would not get a game at any other AFL club.
By the way, we have Monkhurst as ruck coach I see, good luck
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They have to take responsibility for Brown - he was too old and didn't fit into Terry's formula - yet he still recruited him.
Wallace didn't recruit Brown. ;) He was already there.
More likely that Brown recruited Wallace.
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Have to excuse me Fish, I have old timers.
Well I can't blame him for that
Thanks :thumbsup
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we wore ourselves out by playing "hot potatoe" and "ring a ring a rosy".
you have a point there, X.
Whereas Carlton, with their more direct style, would have used
less energy.
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we wore ourselves out by playing "hot potatoe" and "ring a ring a rosy".
you have a point there, X.
Whereas Carlton, with their more direct style, would have used
less energy.
We go short and not more direct because it's "safe". Problem is safe short passes get you nowhere. Basic rule of return is the bigger the risk: the greater the return. To kick goals you need to take calculated risks. By calculated I mean you play the percentages. For example if you are running relatively clear 50m out you have a shot because as a professional footballer you should be able to nail the goal at least 75-80% of the time; you don't pass it off to at best a 50/50 contest 25m out frm goal :banghead. You play the percentages.
Our players over the ground have no idea when it comes to basic strategy. They struggle to cope with the actual play happening let alone comprehend 2-3 plays ahead. They think run and carry means you only run when you have the ball. So they either don't run hard enough off the ball to create longer options further up the field or they run too far into trouble when they do have the ball causing everyone else to be out of position and manned up. They have no instinctive understanding of the gameplan at all. Frustrating as hell to watch :help.
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Well I have calmed down, but I still do not know what to say.
everthing mentioned so far I have to agree with most.
We are better than Carlton, I firmly beleive that and that is why it is really gutting, I was giving it and had to cop it in the end and I stayed to the end allright.
1. Does the team follow Wallaces game plan ? If so his game plan is, well you know.
2. Stevens, was left alone most of the day and at one stage when Krak went on to him he got dragged, so why didn't he stay there ?
3. Lids real real real dissapointing :banghead
We should have poo that game in after stuffing around for so long and Winning attitude and killer instinct won it for Carlton in the end as we had absolutly none of it in the last qtr and a bit.
I won't say no way we can't beat Sydney as footy is a funny game (I said 100 points straight after it though) and that may just be a reality if we do the same again.
I said it before and it shouldn't need to get to these points for this bunch of whatever you call them in Richmond jumpers is to play for the stuffen jumper and die for the stuffen pill, instead of thinking they are some type of superstars just cause they are on the field.
I want to see a red hot go and nothing less will satisfy.
I'll say it again we are better than those idiots and that made me stuffen sick :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
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I hate Carlton as much as anyone CUB but I have to disagree on this one. IMO Carlton were the stronger side yesterday at least structurely and in terms of balance across the park. As tiga said they aren't the same side that won back-to-back spoons. We had the better outside runners but we ran out of puff after 2.5 quarters :(. Having Patto as our only ruckman and needing to use Polak to fill in robbing peter to pay paul hurt us badly. Losing Browny meant we lacked that polish and class to get us across the line and freed up a Walker, Russell or Simpson who would have had to play tight otherwise. Cogs was also a big loss as he normally kills Carlton in the midfield although that was countered by Kouta's absence as well.
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X is right about ring a ring a rosy. I was on the afl website watching the live play by play map and you could see the dots joining each pass. On at least four occasions in the second half, our backlines dots went around in a circle before attempting a clearance. It was comical. Carlton, as the game went on became more direct and kicked long along the flanks to leading forwards. We need to transfer play much quicker out of our backline to prevent opposition teams stacking their defences.
On another note I watched the Eagles v Swans game live and the Eagles displayed the most accurate kicking game in general play I have ever seen. Even their young guys were spot on hitting their targets. If we don't start improving our disposal toot sweet, I fear it will be a long winter ahead but I'm not buying any box set DVD's for quiet weekends just yet. :pray :pray
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In my opinion, the game plan has been ordinary for the past 6 years.
Yesterday game was a joke. Actually those who went would say laughable.
And the captain kicking the wrong way ? By the way , who was he kicking too ?/ He wouldnt know as he didnt even look, now theres a great example for any young player.
Recruitment has been below par.
Recruiting no one with SIZE. Eg Have a look at West Coasts no1 Brown. No wonder they will make the finals again, they dont recruit "light weights HOPING they will bulk up like we continually do.
Can tell you the board are still seeving about Kent kinsgley being picked up.
Players such as jackson, hartigan, moore and wasting space on our list.
Would not get a game at any other AFL club.
By the way, we have Monkhurst as ruck coach I see, good luck
That game plan was from the Northey era. Bomb it in, move it forward at all costs.
How players like Johnson and Tuck are doing that when they weren't even around Richmond in 1995 has got me buggered. Also in 1995 was when Michael Gale kicked the wrong way, maybe Northeys old game plan got mixed up with Terrys.
I want to see some size drafted this year, we have got all the onballers we need. Use our top 4 pick on the best KPP available, our second pick on a ruckmen, and the rest on players over 190cm
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Depends where we finish Wayne but the midfield also needs improving.
Kruezer or Bellchambers would be handy whilst a Trent Cotchin seems to have plenty of fans. Cale Morton has big wraps as KPP in the west. But what do we have to trade?
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But what do we have to trade?
I think the midfield needs time now, with Connors, Edwards and Collins added to the other youngsters, it's something we can work with.
We don't have anything much to trade, and I don't think we have too much other teams would want that we'd be willing to give up.
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I was on the afl website watching the live play by play map and you could see the dots joining each pass. On at least four occasions in the second half, our backlines dots went around in a circle before attempting a clearance. It was comical.
That's tragic lol. At least you could test your sanity tiga looking at the butterfly images we were making with the dots ;D.
We need to transfer play much quicker out of our backline to prevent opposition teams stacking their defences.
The problem is we are such slow thinkers. We are the dumbest team in the league. You'd think after Carlton started kicking point after point that we'd be prepared to set-up for a quick kick-in. Compare us to the Dogs who score goals at will going coast-to-coast from their kick-ins.
On another note I watched the Eagles v Swans game live and the Eagles displayed the most accurate kicking game in general play I have ever seen. Even their young guys were spot on hitting their targets. If we don't start improving our disposal toot sweet, I fear it will be a long winter ahead but I'm not buying any box set DVD's for quiet weekends just yet. :pray :pray
We've got the coaches responsible for the Dogs' excellent foot skills yet we still suck ???.
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BUMP :'(
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BUMP!
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may as well make this a sticky coz then I wont have to look for it for the next 10 weeks.