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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on April 26, 2007, 02:08:34 PM
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Plough appears to be fed up with our senior players going by his comments in EOTT and now plans to down the whole youth course:
We’re going through a bit of a transition period ...... I think we’ve been able to take experience out of our side and do no worse in relation to playing against the best sides in the competition....... we want to be lining ourselves up against the best sides in the competition and seeing if we’re advancing....... the quicker you get games into some of these young blokes, the quicker you’ll get those results. And, if you want to go backwards, put more senior blokes in and less kids in. My philosophy is while we’re in this situation, put more kids in and keep playing them until we get things right.
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Plough appears to be fed up with our senior players going by his comments in EOTT and now plans to down the whole youth course:
We’re going through a bit of a transition period ...... I think we’ve been able to take experience out of our side and do no worse in relation to playing against the best sides in the competition....... we want to be lining ourselves up against the best sides in the competition and seeing if we’re advancing....... the quicker you get games into some of these young blokes, the quicker you’ll get those results. And, if you want to go backwards, put more senior blokes in and less kids in. My philosophy is while we’re in this situation, put more kids in and keep playing them until we get things right.
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terry has been listening to me and reading my signature!!
stick to ur word terry
against geelong we wanna see
polo, jack, cleve, jon, meyer, casserley, connors, patto and the current kids in the squad all playing!!!
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Mark Robinson just said on SEN that we should tank this year. We're not going to make the Eight so the best thing Terry can do for Richmond is tank, play the kids and get games into them. He did agree with Laidley that we are doing that already. There's only so many kids you can play.
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the bombers tanked it last yr, why cant we this yr
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big bet on the tigers this weekend
1k say they gunna cause a upset :thumbsup
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Whatever
But I still want to see them playing seniors because they deserve it
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the bombers tanked it last yr, why cant we this yr
Yes they did and didn't we enjoy it ;D
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Whatever
But I still want to see them playing seniors because they deserve it
I entirely agree. They shouldn't get played just because they're young.
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they deserve a go more than many of our senior duds
cant believe its taken terry this long to work out he should have stripped the club back to teh bone 2.5 yrs ago ahen he arrived
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they deserve a go more than many of our senior duds
cant believe its taken terry this long to work out he should have stripped the club back to teh bone 2.5 yrs ago ahen he arrived
No one counted on Browny winning games off his own boot in those first 9 weeks of 2005.
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big bet on the tigers this weekend
1k say they gunna cause a upset :thumbsup
There goes the kids college money lol
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big bet on the tigers this weekend
1k say they gunna cause a upset :thumbsup
There goes the kids college money lol
maybe monk is onto something, i know for a fact he normally cleans up when he bets, rarely gets them wrong when it comes to moola
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Whatever
But I still want to see them playing seniors because they deserve it
I entirely agree. They shouldn't get played just because they're young.
Judging by the better players and reports from the Coburg game on ANZAC day, they are worthy of a game. Connors, Meyer, Jack, Moore, etc, and young Casserly from the week before and young Collins in earlier Coburg games (until injury) are all screaming for a senior call up :clapping Sorry, forgot Polo as well
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Today was further evidence Plough needs to put his faith in the kids and play them. They'll be up and down week to week but we need to get games into them. Many of them have the talent to succeed.
Petts is really struggling. He might be carrying something but he hasn't done anything for the past 4 weeks.
Krak was dropped when the weather forecast changed to sunshine. Glad JON came in.
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terry has been listening to me and reading my signature!!
stick to ur word terry
against geelong we wanna see
polo, jack, cleve, jon, meyer, casserley, connors, patto and the current kids in the squad all playing!!!
Lucky he has stopped listening to you about Krak :whistle
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terry has been listening to me and reading my signature!!
stick to ur word terry
against geelong we wanna see
polo, jack, cleve, jon, meyer, casserley, connors, patto and the current kids in the squad all playing!!!
Lucky he has stopped listening to you about Krak :whistle
if u read some of my other posts on other threads you would have read that i was ok with krak being dropped. but terry must not use krak as a scapegoat , its now time to also drop petticoat, tuck, tiv, gas also
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Not disagreeing with you X, but who would you have in Gaspar's place?
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Not disagreeing with you X, but who would you have in Gaspar's place?
Anyone besides Gaspar ;D
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If Terry keeps to his word then it is about bloody time.
If I was a selector the team would be.
B: Raines, Thursfield, McGuane
HB: JON, Polak, J Bowden
C: Polo, Foley, Edwards
HF: Pettifer, Richo, Meyer
F: Hughes, Schulz, Brown (if fit) otherwise Krak
Foll: Simmo, Lids, Tambo
Int: Newman, Connors, Riewoldt, Hyde
Whether we win or not will be a win-win situation IMO because we will be fast-tracking the development of the kids.
If we win more than we lose the rest of the comp will be sh!tting themselves
If we lose more than we win we get some good draft picks.
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Forgot about Thursfield.
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Not disagreeing with you X, but who would you have in Gaspar's place?
while we are waiting for thursfield to get fit, we can play moore down back, his was in the best at coburg level.
now that polak will own a key position post in defence if moore is not an option we have joel bowden, its not lik egaspar gets the top notch forwards, foe eg, joel played on fev and did a great job, joel played on rocca, joel played on johnson. the only big player gas has played on was an injured hall and lynch, and lynch owned gas and gas was lucky hall was injured
so play joel and polak as our 2 kpp in defence until thursfeild is ready to free up joel
i look at it this was
we have ... joel, polak, mguane, moore, newman, raines who should be our back since 4 the time being, we have sugar, lids, king, etc who can rotate through the back line also also
gas should not be getting a game in defence above these players, we have no room for gas in our team, we are meant to be moving fwd
just my opinion
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My philosophy is while we’re in this situation, put more kids in and keep playing them until we get things right.
The situation TW is confronted with is not an easy one. It does take time to bring through young players and you don’t want to throw them in the deep end when they’re clearly not ready for the big time. But, are we just supposed to sit and wait for the future to arrive, before we see evidence that things can and will change in the future?
The reason I ask is because, for those players who do get the opportunity to play senior footy now, how does this generation get to make their mark if they’re not in the driver’s seat? How can you ever engender a different and better culture amongst players if the past is driving the future? Sure they have a lot to learn, but how does that promote and instill confidence in players coming through now?
In a nutshell, how does the current approach make it possible for the now and next generation to feel they are being shown faith in and that what they have to offer the team is good enough, given their level of experience and that it’s ok, necessary even, to make mistakes, if you’re prepared to learn from them?
Rightly or wrongly, it seems to me that TW’s greatest strength is in implementing a game plan, and planning for the future. The question is, does this approach allow us to see something different from players that’s not just based on following instructions and sticking to the game plan? Not sticking the boots in, just asking the question.
As I’ve said numerous times before, it can’t always be the coach’s fault, or down to the coach to do it all. Somewhere, somehow, RFC has to recognise that coaches don’t necessarily have all the tools that go to making a successful team. When they stop thinking this is the case then we might finally get somewhere. Other clubs know that and work with their coach to ensure they have all areas covered.
If these bases are already covered then what concerns me is that, because TW places so much emphasis on the game plan, and whatever else, I wonder how players can bring anything more to a game than what’s been drummed into them? This sort of approach only goes skin deep and can only bring limited results.
If any of this is mildly the case then there needs to be some depth added from somewhere, because as things are, where’s the faith in the players and the freedom for them to play to their strengths and even enjoy what they’re doing? And how do players ever get to feel that it’s their efforts, and not the game plan, that brings them results? How do they develop confidence in themselves and their teammates if it’s the game plan that brings results anyway? And how and when are the effects able to flow on to players coming through now, which can help them develop into good team players?
So many questions, so few answers.
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By next year and definitely by the start of 2009 the leadership positions need to be passed to the next generation and the usual senior turnover culprits moved on. We still need another cleanout before we can truly move forward. Before that we want to see the young guys in their 3rd/4th/5th years take control and show they can actually finish off games that we have failed to win this year. Those that can will build the long-term core for the next decade. Those that can't will be replaced by those yet to be drafted.
Despite being our own worst enemy with dumb turnovers we've been in every game until close to the end. So there has been improvement with a younger side and they've shown they can play top footy at times. What we need to demand is they turn a quarter or half of top footy into a full game. So it's just not crossing our fingers in hope and waiting for the young guys to come through but also demanding they strive for and reach an excellence that their senior teammates have failed to reach.
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Not disagreeing with you X, but who would you have in Gaspar's place?
while we are waiting for thursfield to get fit, we can play moore down back, his was in the best at coburg level.
now that polak will own a key position post in defence if moore is not an option we have joel bowden, its not lik egaspar gets the top notch forwards, foe eg, joel played on fev and did a great job, joel played on rocca, joel played on johnson. the only big player gas has played on was an injured hall and lynch, and lynch owned gas and gas was lucky hall was injured
so play joel and polak as our 2 kpp in defence until thursfeild is ready to free up joel
i look at it this was
we have ... joel, polak, mguane, moore, newman, raines who should be our back since 4 the time being, we have sugar, lids, king, etc who can rotate through the back line also also
gas should not be getting a game in defence above these players, we have no room for gas in our team, we are meant to be moving fwd
just my opinion
Disagree X, maybe someone should ask Luke Mcguane if he likes having GAS in the side. Luke was thrown to the wolves last year and asked to play key defensive positions against Swans and Eagles and was made to look ordinary and we lost by a combined total of over two hundred points. This year GAS played in the corresponding games and took the respective match ups of Hall and Lynch. Mcguane can develop without the pressure of matching up on the gorillas. Do you realy want to Zac Dawson the kid.
GAS is in his last year - but contrary to your statements still pulls his weight from a negating point of view. He had had 12 goals kicked against him in his last 9 games. Will be needed against Geelong's talls and may get a touch up , but better he get the big job and possible touch up than Luke at this stage -you can see the confidence rise in Luke each week - He needs more credits in his confidence bank before being charged with the responsibility of the biggest jobs.
BTW GAS plays on who TW tells him too - and if he had played on Fev and Rocca in the last quarter of those respective games we may in fact have done better.
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Not disagreeing with you X, but who would you have in Gaspar's place?
while we are waiting for thursfield to get fit, we can play moore down back, his was in the best at coburg level.
now that polak will own a key position post in defence if moore is not an option we have joel bowden, its not lik egaspar gets the top notch forwards, foe eg, joel played on fev and did a great job, joel played on rocca, joel played on johnson. the only big player gas has played on was an injured hall and lynch, and lynch owned gas and gas was lucky hall was injured
so play joel and polak as our 2 kpp in defence until thursfeild is ready to free up joel
i look at it this was
we have ... joel, polak, mguane, moore, newman, raines who should be our back since 4 the time being, we have sugar, lids, king, etc who can rotate through the back line also also
gas should not be getting a game in defence above these players, we have no room for gas in our team, we are meant to be moving fwd
just my opinion
Disagree X, maybe someone should ask Luke Mcguane if he likes having GAS in the side. Luke was thrown to the wolves last year and asked to play key defensive positions against Swans and Eagles and was made to look ordinary and we lost by a combined total of over two hundred points. This year GAS played in the corresponding games and took the respective match ups of Hall and Lynch. Mcguane can develop without the pressure of matching up on the gorillas. Do you realy want to Zac Dawson the kid.
GAS is in his last year - but contrary to your statements still pulls his weight from a negating point of view. He had had 12 goals kicked against him in his last 9 games. Will be needed against Geelong's talls and may get a touch up , but better he get the big job and possible touch up than Luke at this stage -you can see the confidence rise in Luke each week - He needs more credits in his confidence bank before being charged with the responsibility of the biggest jobs.
BTW GAS plays on who TW tells him too - and if he had played on Fev and Rocca in the last quarter of those respective games we may in fact have done better.
gas is hopeless and i disagree with you. and why even mention last yr, last yr mguane was lighter, coming of a previous yr where iirc severely broke his arm. last yr is last yr and this yr is this yr. this yr luke is heavier, has another pre season under his belt, has improved on his skills. gas still hasnt improved his skill in over 10 yrs! if gas played in that game v sydney we would have lost by 200 points.
the only player gas has really beaten this yr is a slow, mentally screwed big red whitnall.
we dont need gas continually screwing up in defence.
we also have another option. and its not as left feild as some may think.
we can throw jay in defence as was once intended.
lets say jack comes in and playes well, and cleve holds his spot and richo stays up fwd, why not throw jay down back, he will be far better and more intense than gaspar.
gaspar should now stay home and play mummy, we would be better off if his wife was our fb!
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Well you know what they say - opinions are like ar$eholes - everyone has one.
BTW I think Gaspar's disposal efficiency is better than the 'silky skilled' Krakour as is his goal kicking accuracy. No wonder they finally got rid of Krak. At least GAS beats his man and has some pace even after the knee reco!
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gas is hopeless and i disagree with you. and why even mention last yr, last yr mguane was lighter, coming of a previous yr where iirc severely broke his arm. last yr is last yr and this yr is this yr. this yr luke is heavier, has another pre season under his belt, has improved on his skills. gas still hasnt improved his skill in over 10 yrs! if gas played in that game v sydney we would have lost by 200 points.
the only player gas has really beaten this yr is a slow, mentally screwed big red whitnall.
we dont need gas continually screwing up in defence.
we also have another option. and its not as left feild as some may think.
we can throw jay in defence as was once intended.
lets say jack comes in and playes well, and cleve holds his spot and richo stays up fwd, why not throw jay down back, he will be far better and more intense than gaspar.
gaspar should now stay home and play mummy, we would be better off if his wife was our fb!
Why !!!
Why would you throw a guy who we are developing at FF down back - just to plug a hole. How does that help our spine development.
Why when Luke is coming along nicley do you want to Zac Dawson him.
With those two decisions alone you could be prejudicing the development of our ff and running defensive tall in years to come.
Willy T is earmarked as another negating tall - Lets give him time to recover and develop - lets stick to our structure.
By all means bring in JR - but if we swap around the team every week depending on the frustration of fans we will never get anywhere!
GAS is still the best negating tall we have and he should play - while Mcguane, Moore and Willy T aquire the necessary experience and confidence to hopefully take the next step
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Why !!!
Why would you throw a guy who we are developing at FF down back - just to plug a hole. How does that help our spine development.
Why when Luke is coming along nicley do you want to Zac Dawson him.
With those two decisions alone you could be prejudicing the development of our ff and running defensive tall in years to come.
Willy T is earmarked as another negating tall - Lets give him time to recover and develop - lets stick to our structure.
By all means bring in JR - but if we swap around the team every week depending on the frustration of fans we will never get anywhere!
GAS is still the best negating tall we have and he should play - while Mcguane, Moore and Willy T aquire the necessary experience and confidence to hopefully take the next step
dont you understand english, i have never said give luke the big bastar ds, i said in a previopu post to play polak and joel on the key forwards til thursty is ready!!!
i never said play luke on the monsters!!!!!!!!! and dawson him!!!
joel plays the monsters better than gas!!! joel has beaten fev, has beaten j brown etc etc
gas is hopeless and holding us back!
polak and joel are the ones til the other develop.
if u think gas is the answer you have no idea!
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joel plays the monsters better than gas!!! joel has beaten fev, has beaten j brown etc etc
gas is hopeless and holding us back!
polak and joel are the ones til the other develop.
if u think gas is the answer you have no idea!
Look Im not going to bag Joel - because he plays above his weight in some of the defensive tasks he has been given - but in the Carlton and Collingwood game when the ball came in quick and high in the last qaurter of each game he was exposed by Fev and Rocca. It was a mistake by Wallace in his match ups.
Trying to be as polite as possible - your comment that Joel plays the monsters better than GAS is without any foundation based on fact.
GAS is clearly a better negater than Joel - the decison to have Joel at FB is based on the offensive drive he can generate and depending on match ups can be a very good move - for instance he matches up well on Brad Johnson.
Without querying your tactical acumen - why not expolit rather than restrict what Polak can offer - if Polak had played on Lynch on the wekend for example - we would have lost his drive at CHB and sacrificied a creative option to perform a more negating role.
I have great hope for Willy T - who has displayed signs that he can be an exceptional negater with the bonus of compused and assured distribution from the back. Mcguane is developing nicely but is still in my view a third tall. Moore also looks to be improving and could step up as a key back. Look its likely there will soon be a tipping point when Will and Moore are knocking the door down so that Gaspar is no longer the most viable option at FB. IMO we have not reached that point at this moment in time.
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lets pray to the footy gods that within the next 1-5 weeks we will see the last of that overrated, overpayed ,underskilled ,lack of heart, uninterested ,pathetic excuse of a player called gaspar!
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lets pray to the footy gods that within the next 1-5 weeks we will see the last of that overrated, overpayed ,underskilled ,lack of heart, uninterested ,pathetic excuse of a player called gaspar!
Thats a really silly post X, especially the overrated bit - made me laugh!
Always amazes me how internet warriors make these statments about dual all australian players and best and fairest winners. He has played on and beaten the majority of the games key forwards for a decade and held our defence together between 1996 and 2003.
X if you want to do some research on the subject why dont you find out our points against in the first half of 2003 when GAS was playing (and in probably career best form) and our points against the second half of 2003 when after he did his knee or tell us how we went in 2004 with Gaspar at about 15% and struggling.
Not as good after the reco but still our best option as a negating tall for the time being. Hopefully Willy T reaches his potential. I just hope some posters dont savage the kid if his knee injury has diminished his capabilities significantly and start to "gasparise' him.
I undertsand goldfish have a very limited concentration span and very short memory span. Our team is the tigers - maybe we as supporters should be called the goldfish.
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lets pray to the footy gods that within the next 1-5 weeks we will see the last of that overrated, overpayed ,underskilled ,lack of heart, uninterested ,pathetic excuse of a player called gaspar!
Thats a really silly post X, especially the overrated bit - made me laugh!
Always amazes me how internet warriors make these statments about dual all australian players and best and fairest winners. He has played on and beaten the majority of the games key forwards for a decade and held our defence together between 1996 and 2003.
X if you want to do some research on the subject why dont you find out our points against in the first half of 2003 when GAS was playing (and in probably career best form) and our points against the second half of 2003 when after he did his knee or tell us how we went in 2004 with Gaspar at about 15% and struggling.
Not as good after the reco but still our best option as a negating tall for the time being. Hopefully Willy T reaches his potential. I just hope some posters dont savage the kid if his knee injury has diminished his capabilities significantly and start to "gasparise' him.
I undertsand goldfish have a very limited concentration span and very short memory span. Our team is the tigers - maybe we as supporters should be called the goldfish.
Geez Geez, you must be darren gasoar or his lil biatch!
who gives a rats clacker what he was like in 2003,4, bla bla bla, even in tjose days he could not kick!
wake up,
its 2007 and gasper is "overrated, overpayed ,underskilled ,lack of heart, uninterested ,pathetic "
dont give me this statistic crap of how he was in 2003 4 whatever, and dont use his knee as an excuse.
tell me how good he has been in 2006 and thus far this yr.
just face reality, gaspar is no good in this day and age
that is fact!!!!
watch gaspar get torn a new one v geelong this week!
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what makes me laugh is that u r still living in teh past and think
a/ gaspar deserved AA status and
b/ he is a quality defender in this day and age!
wake up
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what makes me laugh is that u r still living in teh past and think
a/ gaspar deserved AA status and
b/ he is a quality defender in this day and age!
wake up
To answer your points Malcolm X:
(a) Clearly Gaspar deserved AA status. He received his first in 2000, but in reality his 2000 form was probably on a par or below his 1998 and 1999 form. AA selectors often reward players after 2 or 3 solid seasons. I thought he would have been worthy AA in either 1998 or 1999. He was brilliant in 2001 but probably more noticeable because for once we had a midfield who got it into out forward line and put some pressure on the ball coming in. Gaspar has been a phenomenal stopper when you consider that we have had possibly the worst midfield in the competition in the time he has played. As an example on Saturday inside 50's were West Coast 66 Richmond 46, something we are all too familar with at RFC. If you compared Gaspar's record with say a Dustin Fletcher who has played mostly in a top 4 side and their efforts agaisnt the Carey's, Treadrea's Jon Brown and Halls of this world, you might appreciate Darren a little more;
(b) I dont think I have said Dareen is a quality defender in this day and age; as he is pushing 31, had a knee reco and the game has changed requiring greater emphais on creating out of the backline. I have said that he is still our best negating tall and I stand by that remark. Most side's supporters would be happy if their key defensive tall kept his opponents to an average of 1.33 goals a game in his last 9 outings. We obviously have much higher standards at Richmond seeing we are so good and all. BTW Big Bad Barry Hall has averaged 1 goal against Dazza last three games. Nuff said I methinks.
I also look forward to Darren playing against the Cats - it gives me great pleasure to see a true craftsman at work - he gives away height and weight most times and usually finds a way to beat his opponent. It will be a big ask - Otto, Tommahawk, Mooney or N Ablett? I am also glad he will be there to help out young Lukey as Joel will be too busy faking handballs, having a couple of bounces and then turning it over hoping GAS covers his backside!
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Darren Gasapr has absolutely no value to our team and is in fact a complete liability. The guy is useless and has been now for a few years. He is too busy spread-eagled on the floor to have any positive impact. How people can defend him is beyond me as he has the skill level of an Auskick player. We are a man down when there is a tight congestion hardball situation in our defence as any tight handball towards Gaspar will most likely be turned over. He is just as bad when he has time.
If we want to get fair dinkum about imrpoving as a team, Darren Gaspar needs to be sent immediately to Coburg never to return. How are we supposed to create an attacking move out of defence when Gaspar is supposed to lend a helping hand. He fumbles, miskicks and runs in circles.
He can't even man up on the bigger forwards anymore. This was his bread and butter and he is not capable of doing it anymore. He has no other strings to his bow.
As a senior player he looks disinterested, and NEVER stands up for his teamates or himself for that matter in a scuffle. He doesn't need to stand up for himself because none of the opposition try to get under his skin becasue they know he's mentally weak. He goes through the motions and is only there for pay day.
I can't stand him - Eff him off !!!
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what makes me laugh is that u r still living in teh past and think
a/ gaspar deserved AA status and
b/ he is a quality defender in this day and age!
wake up
To answer your points Malcolm X:
(a) Clearly Gaspar deserved AA status. He received his first in 2000, but in reality his 2000 form was probably on a par or below his 1998 and 1999 form. AA selectors often reward players after 2 or 3 solid seasons. I thought he would have been worthy AA in either 1998 or 1999. He was brilliant in 2001 but probably more noticeable because for once we had a midfield who got it into out forward line and put some pressure on the ball coming in. Gaspar has been a phenomenal stopper when you consider that we have had possibly the worst midfield in the competition in the time he has played. As an example on Saturday inside 50's were West Coast 66 Richmond 46, something we are all too familar with at RFC. If you compared Gaspar's record with say a Dustin Fletcher who has played mostly in a top 4 side and their efforts agaisnt the Carey's, Treadrea's Jon Brown and Halls of this world, you might appreciate Darren a little more;
(b) I dont think I have said Dareen is a quality defender in this day and age; as he is pushing 31, had a knee reco and the game has changed requiring greater emphais on creating out of the backline. I have said that he is still our best negating tall and I stand by that remark. Most side's supporters would be happy if their key defensive tall kept his opponents to an average of 1.33 goals a game in his last 9 outings. We obviously have much higher standards at Richmond seeing we are so good and all. BTW Big Bad Barry Hall has averaged 1 goal against Dazza last three games. Nuff said I methinks.
I also look forward to Darren playing against the Cats - it gives me great pleasure to see a true craftsman at work - he gives away height and weight most times and usually finds a way to beat his opponent. It will be a big ask - Otto, Tommahawk, Mooney or N Ablett? I am also glad he will be there to help out young Lukey as Joel will be too busy faking handballs, having a couple of bounces and then turning it over hoping GAS covers his backside!
glove no disrespect
u either
1/ are darren gaspar
2/ his toy boy
3/ his wife in disguise
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Darren Gasapr has absolutely no value to our team and is in fact a complete liability. The guy is useless and has been now for a few years. He is too busy spread-eagled on the floor to have any positive impact. How people can defend him is beyond me as he has the skill level of an Auskick player. We are a man down when there is a tight congestion hardball situation in our defence as any tight handball towards Gaspar will most likely be turned over. He is just as bad when he has time.
If we want to get fair dinkum about imrpoving as a team, Darren Gaspar needs to be sent immediately to Coburg never to return. How are we supposed to create an attacking move out of defence when Gaspar is supposed to lend a helping hand. He fumbles, miskicks and runs in circles.
He can't even man up on the bigger forwards anymore. This was his bread and butter and he is not capable of doing it anymore. He has no other strings to his bow.
As a senior player he looks disinterested, and NEVER stands up for his teamates or himself for that matter in a scuffle. He doesn't need to stand up for himself because none of the opposition try to get under his skin becasue they know he's mentally weak. He goes through the motions and is only there for pay day.
I can't stand him - Eff him off !!!
with u 100%
but be careful , thwe glove will be offended and be after you
he dosnt like being told teh truth about gas
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He is entitled to his opinion. Just because you don't agree doesn't give you the right to make rude remarks about him.
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I can undertsand Harry's frustrations with Gaspar's limitations, but with the greatest respect to Harry (not the same Harry as on PRE are you?) he is simply wrong when he says that GAS no longer matches up on the big forwards. In 7 of his last 9 games he has kept Hall (twice), Tredrea, Neitz, Darcy, Tarrant and Whitnall to a total of 6 goals.
Lynch got three against GAS and one against Polak in the second - so that is 9 goals in 8 games.
So while respecting Harry's reasoning in relation to Gaspar's nouse with the the ball in his hands, the other part of his argument carries little weight.
I also disagree with Harry on his value to the team because I dont want Luke Mcguane or Kel Moore Zac Dawsoned at this stage but agree that they and Will T ideally should take over sooner rather than later.
As to your points Uncanny X man, (you're not Bwian are you?), my inclinations fortunately or unfortunately are not as you described and you should not concern yourself about me being offended as you will see in my posts that no offence has ever been taken.
All hail the GAS man ;D
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He is entitled to his opinion. Just because you don't agree doesn't give you the right to make rude remarks about him.
X -cited - rude ...............never! Appreciate the post about civility though - cheers Julz!
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I dosnt like being told teh truth about Krak
Sorry Pot, couldn't help it lol
Cheers
Kettle
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It's up to others to convince Plough they can do the job on the big lugs at FB. Joel can do it at CHB but not FB. Rocca carved him up. Darcy was too good for McGuane. Moore is a third tall defender who is injury prone. We don't have a fit and consistent alternative shutdowner at FB for Gas even taking into account all his deficiencies. Thursty is still an unknown coming back from a knee. We haven't seen him back in an AFL game to see if the knee has affected his pace which is what allowed him to stick with Riewoldt and give him a bath. It's Gas' last year anyway so he won't be part of 2008 and beyond anyway. We are in desparate need of recruiting/drafting another key defender or two (need a back-up as well in case of injury).
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In 7 of his last 9 games he has kept Hall (twice), Tredrea, Neitz, Darcy, Tarrant and Whitnall to a total of 6 goals.
Lynch got three against GAS and one against Polak in the second - so that is 9 goals in 8 games.
So while respecting Harry's reasoning in relation to Gaspar's nouse with the the ball in his hands, the other part of his argument carries little weight.
I also disagree with Harry on his value to the team because I dont want Luke Mcguane or Kel Moore Zac Dawsoned at this stage but agree that they and Will T ideally should take over sooner rather than later.
As to your points Uncanny X man, (you're not Bwian are you?), my inclinations fortunately or unfortunately are not as you described and you should not concern yourself about me being offended as you will see in my posts that no offence has ever been taken.
All hail the GAS man ;D
NO ONE EVER SAID WE WANT TO DAWSON MOORE OR MGUANE, STICK TO THE TOPIC ! all we have said is gas has no space in our team. and until thursty is ready, polak and joel can cover key posts. if riewolt comes in and performs, we will have jack and cleve up fwd, jay and richo(possibly KK also) we also may switch richo , jay and kk in defence at times to fill holes, we dont need gaspar
and who the f is bwian
90% of teh players u mentioned above were either a/ injured when gas played on them, or unfit and distracted by outside means.
face facts gas is a hack
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gaspar
paycheque player
watchung him on saturday angered me
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STOP YELLING!!!!!!!!!!
LOL at Oxx
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In 7 of his last 9 games he has kept Hall (twice), Tredrea, Neitz, Darcy, Tarrant and Whitnall to a total of 6 goals.
Lynch got three against GAS and one against Polak in the second - so that is 9 goals in 8 games.
So while respecting Harry's reasoning in relation to Gaspar's nouse with the the ball in his hands, the other part of his argument carries little weight.
I also disagree with Harry on his value to the team because I dont want Luke Mcguane or Kel Moore Zac Dawsoned at this stage but agree that they and Will T ideally should take over sooner rather than later.
As to your points Uncanny X man, (you're not Bwian are you?), my inclinations fortunately or unfortunately are not as you described and you should not concern yourself about me being offended as you will see in my posts that no offence has ever been taken.
All hail the GAS man ;D
NO ONE EVER SAID WE WANT TO DAWSON MOORE OR MGUANE, STICK TO THE TOPIC ! all we have said is gas has no space in our team. and until thursty is ready, polak and joel can cover key posts. if riewolt comes in and performs, we will have jack and cleve up fwd, jay and richo(possibly KK also) we also may switch richo , jay and kk in defence at times to fill holes, we dont need gaspar
and who the f is bwian
90% of teh players u mentioned above were either a/ injured when gas played on them, or unfit and distracted by outside means.
face facts gas is a hack
You crack me up, I can see you having excuses for everything but this is a classic the "above were either a/ injured when gas played on them, or unfit and distracted by outside means" Absolutely hilarious.
Facts are facts and you cant wish them away no matter how much you try.
BTW have you read the rest of your post? Are you aware that Bowden and Polak and Mcguane played down back on Saturday and Gaspar was still required to pick up Lynch.
Doesn't it make sense to have Polak and Bowden off half back to provide making strength and rebound.
Mighty tiges has it right in his post and the RFC know the strength of their KPPs. Richo and KK in defence :lol :rollin= god give me strength, and even then it doesn't help unless you are saying Richo or KK will be our main stopper. Oh gee my sides are still sore from that suggestion - where do you find these gems.
Bwian is Brian Mannix former lead singer of Uncanny X Men.
PS Gaspar has never been beaten legitimately by an opponent because he was either a/ injured when he played on them, or unfit and distracted by outside means :lol
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I was scared to bring this up for fear of it not going down too well lol, but bugger it, congratulations Gas and Sara on the arrival of Chloe Jane and Ella Rose on 26 April. Seems the appropriate thread, although a bit young and gender deficient for Plough to play
Now X, you're a dad of 4 girls - so deserving :rollin
Be nice to Gas for a week at least so he can celebrate his nice work lol :thumbsup
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I was scared to bring this up for fear of it not going down too well lol, but bugger it, congratulations Gas and Sara on the arrival of Chloe Jane and Ella Rose on 26 April. Seems the appropriate thread, although a bit young and gender deficient for Plough to play
Now X, you're a dad of 4 girls - so deserving :rollin
Be nice to Gas for a week at least so he can celebrate his nice work lol :thumbsup
Nice but can they play footy?
:birthday to Chloe and Ella
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Congrats to Darren and Sara.
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I was scared to bring this up for fear of it not going down too well lol, but bugger it, congratulations Gas and Sara on the arrival of Chloe Jane and Ella Rose on 26 April. Seems the appropriate thread, although a bit young and gender deficient for Plough to play
Now X, you're a dad of 4 girls - so deserving :rollin
Be nice to Gas for a week at least so he can celebrate his nice work lol :thumbsup
i wouldnt trade any of my angels for any son. my 4 daughters are my life
on that , yes congrats to the gaspars, i would have had twins(another girl) but one didnt make it , thats life, but im still blessed with 4.
so gas and i have daughters, thats one thing in common
another thing we should have in common is that we both should not be playing footy 4 teh tigers, we are not good enough
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X man, another thing you have in common with Gas is that collectively you have played 220 odd AFL games, won two all australians and a best and fairest, fair effort you two!
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X man, another thing you have in common with Gas is that collectively you have played 220 odd AFL games, won two all australians and a best and fairest, fair effort you two!
Can't argue with that hahaha :rollin
You're a legend, X lol
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I was scared to bring this up for fear of it not going down too well lol, but bugger it, congratulations Gas and Sara on the arrival of Chloe Jane and Ella Rose on 26 April. Seems the appropriate thread, although a bit young and gender deficient for Plough to play
Congrats to Gas and Sara :clapping. Hope mum and twins are doing well.
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Congrats to Gas and Sara :clapping
Thank god they have proper names and not names like Apple and Peaches :lol