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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on June 06, 2007, 02:56:54 AM
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Tiger list spat
06 June 2007 Herald-Sun
Mark Robinson
UNDERLYING hostility between Richmond coach Terry Wallace and his predecessor Danny Frawley has spilled over after Wallace again claimed he inherited a shoddy list at the end of 2004.
Although Wallace said yesterday he was not blaming Frawley or Tigers football director Greg Miller, Frawley was left bemused by Wallace's continued reference to the club's list.
"It's hard to have a clear vision when you keep looking in the rear vision mirror," Frawley said. "That's my belief on where Richmond is at the moment . . . and where Terry is at.
"I don't know how many times it's going to rear its head, but it's all dead.
"I would've thought he's got bigger fish to fry and that's win a game of footy."
Frawley, who works as a TV and radio commentator, did not want to be seen as the bitter former coach but, at the same time, he was fed up with seemingly being whacked by his former club.
"I laugh at it now," he said.
"At the end of the day, he's in the second part of his contract now, and he can keep looking at the past.
"I'm a big believer in not worrying about the problem, but give me the solution."
Wallace opened an old wound on TV show Footy Classified on Monday night when he said he did not regret calling the Richmond list he had inherited a "train wreck".
"From a list management point of view it was," Wallace said. "We just had so many players 26 and above at the club that were going nowhere."
The injury-ravaged Tigers have only a draw from 10 matches this year and are favourites for the wooden spoon.
Plough sparks list spat Wallace has been critical of the list he inherited and on Monday night reiterated the absence of 22, 23 and 24-year-olds at the club.
Frawley, who was sacked as Tigers coach and now does part-time mentoring at Hawthorn, was inundated with media yesterday.
"I quite laugh at it because it's three years ago now," Frawley said. "I actually look at Hawthorn's model compared to Richmond's and where the clubs were at that time."
The Hawks dismantled their 2004 list and are now third. The Tigers also discarded players, but fall way behind the Hawks.
Frawley highlighted what he described as inconsistent decision making from Wallace in trading and selection.
"Gaspar going, fair enough, I can see that, but (Jack) Riewoldt and Cleve Hughes are in the twos and Kent Kingsley is getting a game so where's the consistency?" Frawley said.
"They're still trying to stop-gap with guys like Kent Kingsley, and Patrick Bowden and Mark Graham in his first year.
Frawley, who conceded he and Wallace were not friends, returned to the club two weeks ago to address the players about 100-gamer Andrew Krakouer.
Wallace told the Herald Sun last night he wasn't blaming anyone for the state of the list.
"I wasn't talking about anyone, I was just talking about the condition of the list, how it was structured and it was probably structured over a six or seven-year period," he said.
Former recruiting manager Greg Beck played a major role before Miller's arrival in October 2002. Although Miller was the list manager for two years under Frawley Wallace remains a staunch supporter of his right-hand man.
"I've got no issue with Greg Miller, we have a fantastic working relationship," he said.
Miller last night said he and Wallace were on the same page. "We're best of mates."
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,21856846%255E19771,00.html
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"I laugh at it now," he said.
Yes, it's a huge joke what he did to our club ::)
He is in total denial
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Frawley highlighted what he described as inconsistent decision making from Wallace in trading and selection.
"Gaspar going, fair enough, I can see that, but (Jack) Riewoldt and Cleve Hughes are in the twos and Kent Kingsley is getting a game so where's the consistency?" Frawley said.
"They're still trying to stop-gap with guys like Kent Kingsley, and Patrick Bowden and Mark Graham in his first year.
:o :o gives us your list of star recruits Danny. Fiora ring any bells ::) ::)
Shut the door on your way out ;D
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I was thinking of Paul Hudson, Simon Fletcher, Ben Marsh, Shane Morrisson, Luke Weller, Justin Blumfield ...
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I was thinking Patrick Bowden, Kent Kingsley, Trent Knobel. Pitty plough didnt get his way with Mark Alvey before the club stepped in ::)
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Slow news day by the looks of it.
They should of done the article properly and had Richmonds recruiting under Frawley, even going back to '96.
It actually seems as though Beck is the man we should all be filthy with.
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As much as Spud is in total denial ::) about what a disasterous state he left our list in and we could again list his unbelievably shocking recruiting record, it's not totally his fault. Geisch and Walls are also to blame. Spud inherited a trainwreck from them too. Blame also goes to the admins. They allowed Beck to last 8 years despite poor returns and they failed to invest in our recruiting and football department and they like our coaches overrated our senior players and agreed to paying them the big $$$ at the expense of the health of the rest of the list and despite failure on-field. Trainwreck is a understatement.
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"It is better to say nothing and look a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
Take note Danny.
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For what its worth the ""playing group"" arent happy with either ;)
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"It's hard to have a clear vision when you keep looking in the rear vision mirror," Frawley said. "That's my belief on where Richmond is at the moment . . . and where Terry is at.
Hard to look forward when you have been set so far back.
"I would've thought he's got bigger fish to fry and that's win a game of footy."
Frawley, who works as a TV and radio commentator, did not want to be seen as the bitter former coach but, at the same time, he was fed up with seemingly being whacked by his former club.
LMAO@ That.
"I would've thought Spud would remember how bad,in comparison,his coaching was...
I laugh at it now," he said.
*anger* and we laugh at you Frawley,just as we laughed at everything u TRIED to do.
t this point the spitting incident is looking rather justified.
"I'm a big believer in not worrying about the problem, but give me the solution."
Yes....we know,the problem with that is,a true leader FINDS the solution rather than waiting for LADY FORTUNE to smile upon thee/
Frawley, who was sacked as Tigers coach and now does part-time mentoring at Hawthorn, was inundated with media yesterday.
"I quite laugh at it because it's three years ago now," Frawley said. "I actually look at Hawthorn's model compared to Richmond's and where the clubs were at that time."
Gee...that's a lot of laughing for one man to do.
Laugh at this,laugh at that - typical of the man.
"They're still trying to stop-gap with guys like Kent Kingsley, and Patrick Bowden and Mark Graham in his first year.
STILL ?
As in,like when you were coaching ::)
Im gonna enjoy this one
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For what its worth the ""playing group"" arent happy with either ;)
Yep that's why they can't see open teammates in space, why they passed straight to the opposition and why they can't kick goals from 40m out. Perhaps if they brought their brains out of the changerooms with them they wouldn't get booed by their own supporters ;).
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For what its worth the ""playing group"" arent happy with either ;)
Yep that's why they can't see open teammates in space, why they passed straight to the opposition and why they can't kick goals from 40m out. Perhaps if they brought their brains out of the changerooms with them they wouldn't get booed by their own supporters ;).
Only tell you what I am told.
Source is very tomato and on the money
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Jacstr
You don't drive a little Honda Jazz do you
;)
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nope!
A honda, me :nope
A bit more prestige please!
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nope!
A honda, me :nope
A bit more prestige please!
I didn't think it was you, too young and good looking (and female)
The Honda had the No. Plates JACSTR
It would explain your soft attitude re the coach.
;D
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nope!
A honda, me :nope
A bit more prestige please!
I didn't think it was you, too young and good looking (and female)
The Honda had the No. Plates JACSTR
It would explain your soft attitude re the coach.
;D
Yeah but the coach drives a ""bogan "mobile
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If she was that good looking, should I told her to log online at OER
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If she was that good looking, should I told her to log online at OER
She was at least 30 years younger than me, she certainly wouldn't want some old grey headed bloke approaching her and sugegsting that she come up and see my online forum.
:o
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What's considered to be a "bogan" mobile?
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nope!
A honda, me :nope
A bit more prestige please!
I didn't think it was you, too young and good looking (and female)
The Honda had the No. Plates JACSTR
It would explain your soft attitude re the coach.
;D
Yeah but the coach drives a ""bogan "mobile
So what ur saying is,your car is better than Terry's car.
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If she was that good looking, should I told her to log online at OER
If she's 20 years old, why don't you just go and visit her at her work ;)
:lol
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SS Commodore campared to an Audi, which one would you want ?
Anyway, back to the topic..
Usual rego dont you think.
Back to the topic. lol
Anyway, I was buying Crispy Creams across the road Moi, thats no crime is it
What was the topic,
Plough and Spud. ummmmmmm
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Anyway, I was buying Crispy Creams across the road Moi, thats no crime is it
Nope, she passes the age of consent lol
Just :rollin
Back to the the topic: Pathetic, dirty old men :wallywink
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If she was that good looking, should I told her to log online at OER
If she's 20 years old, why don't you just go and visit her at her work ;)
:lol
How long has it been since you have been in a school?
They leave at 18 and the teachers don't come back until they are 22-3.
;)
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On the topic.
If my memory is correct, Plough took the Richmond job over the hawks as the list was better. Now its a train wreck.
Gee Plough changes his mind a bit doesnt he.
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On the topic.
If my memory is correct, Plough took the Richmond job over the hawks as the list was better. Now its a train wreck.
Gee Plough changes his mind a bit doesnt he.
Yawn
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On the topic.
If my memory is correct, Plough took the Richmond job over the hawks as the list was better. Now its a train wreck.
Gee Plough changes his mind a bit doesnt he.
I'm with 1965
:sleep :sleep
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:sleep :sleep :sleep :sleep :sleep :sleep
I might have a nap as well :sleep
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:sleep :sleep :sleep :sleep :sleep :sleep
I might have a nap as well :sleep
Let's all go into hibernation and maybe next years things will be better :sleep :sleep :sleep :sleep :sleep :sleep :sleep :sleep
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stfu u cutns
look what i found
http://www.myspace.com/dannyfrawley
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stfu u cutns
look what i found
http://www.myspace.com/dannyfrawley
LOL the resemblance between Spud and the Chimps were uncanny
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Spud doesn't like dogs :'(
Add me Dufus :wallywink
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he has 2 friends, lol
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Spud doesn't like dogs :'(
Add me Dufus :wallywink
it not me moisy...but u have to request them anywaise,dont ya? ???
Im joining
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If my memory is correct, Plough took the Richmond job over the hawks as the list was better.
Your memory is not correct. ;)
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Yeah Fiora at 2 and Pavlich went at 4. Well done Danny.
Turned everyone into a half back flanker to stem the bleeding from a skilless midfield and a gameplan that would not win in a local metropolitan league towards the end of his tenure. No ideas and an inability to adapt and redifine coaching principles. No vocabulary and an inate inability to speak publicly yeah nah yeah nah yeah nah.
Refuse to listen to MMM b/c of him and Garry Lyon.
Biddiscombe,Houlihan,Hudson, Fletcher, Weller, Morrisson, just to name a few.
As for Terry Wallet Wallace he is a talented coach who unfortunantely has gone back on his promise. Where is the 100 points a game. 8 times in 05 5 times in 06 once so far this year. Terry has recruited duds. You can blame the recruiters all you like but the final word however must be the coaches as he himself would be more than aware as to where the team is most deficient depending on the type of ganme plan he would like to implement. Unfortunantely Terry initially wanted us playing a Bulldogs circa 97-99 type of game but realising now that he does not have the players he fears the Geelong type of thrashing on a more regular basis and hence this defensive type of game plan that is low scoring frustrating and more than anything able to consistently get us to win. Unfortunantely he is bereft of ideas with the list he has inherited to an extent and remodelled to our dismay to the point where we have to overhaul it completely and start from scratch and wait hopefully for those kids to develop before we can even fathom an idea that we will rise to be a force.
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stfu u cutns
look what i found
http://www.myspace.com/dannyfrawley
See if he likes this mama lol
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=198583694
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thats disgraceful moi but also funny so ill pay that.
Anyway im over it all. spuds contribution wasnt flash. Plough seems to be struggling. Might as well go and get Chris Bond to coach us. Something tells me Bond will make a good coach. Former Richmond player. Well like by Supporters. Did the right thing by the club agreeing to be traded to freo. SHOULD have got the St Kilda job. Good apprenticeship under Eade now and before as well.
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If she was that good looking, should I told her to log online at OER
She was at least 30 years younger than me, she certainly wouldn't want some old grey headed bloke approaching her and sugegsting that she come up and see my online forum.
:o
Why not?
Ask her if she wants to jump on ol' OneEye later on. You never know how lucky you might get.
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If she was that good looking, should I told her to log online at OER
She was at least 30 years younger than me, she certainly wouldn't want some old grey headed bloke approaching her and sugegsting that she come up and see my online forum.
:o
Why not?
Ask her if she wants to jump on ol' OneEye later on. You never know how lucky you might get.
And you don't know how stupid you sound.
:wallywink
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If my memory is correct, Plough took the Richmond job over the hawks as the list was better.
Your memory is not correct. ;)
IIRC Plough said the Hawks list was better in the short-term but ours had more scope long-term. He was also wary of Don Scott's threat of a board challenge who was not keen on Wallace coaching the Hawks.
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look what i found
http://www.myspace.com/dannyfrawley
:lol
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Yeah Fiora at 2 and Pavlich went at 4. Well done Danny.
Turned everyone into a half back flanker to stem the bleeding from a skilless midfield and a gameplan that would not win in a local metropolitan league towards the end of his tenure. No ideas and an inability to adapt and redifine coaching principles. No vocabulary and an inate inability to speak publicly yeah nah yeah nah yeah nah.
Refuse to listen to MMM b/c of him and Garry Lyon.
Biddiscombe,Houlihan,Hudson, Fletcher, Weller, Morrisson, just to name a few.
As for Terry Wallet Wallace he is a talented coach who unfortunantely has gone back on his promise. Where is the 100 points a game. 8 times in 05 5 times in 06 once so far this year. Terry has recruited duds. You can blame the recruiters all you like but the final word however must be the coaches as he himself would be more than aware as to where the team is most deficient depending on the type of ganme plan he would like to implement. Unfortunantely Terry initially wanted us playing a Bulldogs circa 97-99 type of game but realising now that he does not have the players he fears the Geelong type of thrashing on a more regular basis and hence this defensive type of game plan that is low scoring frustrating and more than anything able to consistently get us to win. Unfortunantely he is bereft of ideas with the list he has inherited to an extent and remodelled to our dismay to the point where we have to overhaul it completely and start from scratch and wait hopefully for those kids to develop before we can even fathom an idea that we will rise to be a force.
Great Post ! :thumbsup
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"Yeah Fiora at 2 and Pavlich went at 4. Well done Danny"
We should give that one a rest - (apart from the fact that Fiora didn't go at two)
My understanding is that most thought the picks were ok at the time - why don't the other picks prior to Pavlich get as much bagging? (Fraser and Hasleby) - neither are as good as Pavlich turned out to be.
It's anal to keep bringing it up - every draft has its incorrect calls five years down the track.
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And one player doesn't make a team. It's been our whole recruiting strategy from being the lowest investers in recruiting in the AFL to our lack of rookies coming through that has failed us. You only get what you pay for.