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Tiger list spat - Spud vs Plough
« on: June 06, 2007, 02:56:54 AM »
Tiger list spat
06 June 2007   Herald-Sun
Mark Robinson

UNDERLYING hostility between Richmond coach Terry Wallace and his predecessor Danny Frawley has spilled over after Wallace again claimed he inherited a shoddy list at the end of 2004.

Although Wallace said yesterday he was not blaming Frawley or Tigers football director Greg Miller, Frawley was left bemused by Wallace's continued reference to the club's list.

"It's hard to have a clear vision when you keep looking in the rear vision mirror," Frawley said. "That's my belief on where Richmond is at the moment . . . and where Terry is at.

"I don't know how many times it's going to rear its head, but it's all dead.

"I would've thought he's got bigger fish to fry and that's win a game of footy."

Frawley, who works as a TV and radio commentator, did not want to be seen as the bitter former coach but, at the same time, he was fed up with seemingly being whacked by his former club.

"I laugh at it now," he said.

"At the end of the day, he's in the second part of his contract now, and he can keep looking at the past.

"I'm a big believer in not worrying about the problem, but give me the solution."

Wallace opened an old wound on TV show Footy Classified on Monday night when he said he did not regret calling the Richmond list he had inherited a "train wreck".

"From a list management point of view it was," Wallace said. "We just had so many players 26 and above at the club that were going nowhere."

The injury-ravaged Tigers have only a draw from 10 matches this year and are favourites for the wooden spoon.

Plough sparks list spat Wallace has been critical of the list he inherited and on Monday night reiterated the absence of 22, 23 and 24-year-olds at the club.

Frawley, who was sacked as Tigers coach and now does part-time mentoring at Hawthorn, was inundated with media yesterday.

"I quite laugh at it because it's three years ago now," Frawley said. "I actually look at Hawthorn's model compared to Richmond's and where the clubs were at that time."

The Hawks dismantled their 2004 list and are now third. The Tigers also discarded players, but fall way behind the Hawks.

Frawley highlighted what he described as inconsistent decision making from Wallace in trading and selection.

"Gaspar going, fair enough, I can see that, but (Jack) Riewoldt and Cleve Hughes are in the twos and Kent Kingsley is getting a game so where's the consistency?" Frawley said.

"They're still trying to stop-gap with guys like Kent Kingsley, and Patrick Bowden and Mark Graham in his first year.

Frawley, who conceded he and Wallace were not friends, returned to the club two weeks ago to address the players about 100-gamer Andrew Krakouer.

Wallace told the Herald Sun last night he wasn't blaming anyone for the state of the list.

"I wasn't talking about anyone, I was just talking about the condition of the list, how it was structured and it was probably structured over a six or seven-year period," he said.

Former recruiting manager Greg Beck played a major role before Miller's arrival in October 2002. Although Miller was the list manager for two years under Frawley Wallace remains a staunch supporter of his right-hand man.

"I've got no issue with Greg Miller, we have a fantastic working relationship," he said.

Miller last night said he and Wallace were on the same page. "We're best of mates."

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,21856846%255E19771,00.html

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Re: Tiger list spat - Spud vs Plough
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2007, 05:35:13 AM »
"I laugh at it now," he said.
Yes, it's a huge joke what he did to our club  ::)
He is in total denial

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Re: Tiger list spat - Spud vs Plough
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2007, 06:48:59 AM »
Frawley highlighted what he described as inconsistent decision making from Wallace in trading and selection.

"Gaspar going, fair enough, I can see that, but (Jack) Riewoldt and Cleve Hughes are in the twos and Kent Kingsley is getting a game so where's the consistency?" Frawley said.

"They're still trying to stop-gap with guys like Kent Kingsley, and Patrick Bowden and Mark Graham in his first year.


 :o :o gives us your list of star recruits Danny. Fiora ring any bells  ::) ::)

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Re: Tiger list spat - Spud vs Plough
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2007, 07:37:32 AM »
I was thinking of Paul Hudson, Simon Fletcher, Ben Marsh, Shane Morrisson, Luke Weller, Justin Blumfield ...

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Re: Tiger list spat - Spud vs Plough
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2007, 07:40:02 AM »
I was thinking Patrick Bowden, Kent Kingsley, Trent Knobel. Pitty plough didnt get his way with Mark Alvey before the club stepped in ::)

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Re: Tiger list spat - Spud vs Plough
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2007, 08:46:19 AM »
Slow news day by the looks of it.

They should of done the article properly and had Richmonds recruiting under Frawley, even going back to '96.

It actually seems as though Beck is the man we should all be filthy with.
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Re: Tiger list spat - Spud vs Plough
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2007, 02:38:40 PM »
As much as Spud is in total denial  ::) about what a disasterous state he left our list in and we could again list his unbelievably shocking recruiting record, it's not totally his fault. Geisch and Walls are also to blame. Spud inherited a trainwreck from them too. Blame also goes to the admins. They allowed Beck to last 8 years despite poor returns and they failed to invest in our recruiting and football department and they like our coaches overrated our senior players and agreed to paying them the big $$$ at the expense of the health of the rest of the list and despite failure on-field. Trainwreck is a understatement.

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Re: Tiger list spat - Spud vs Plough
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2007, 03:49:34 PM »
"It is better to say nothing and look a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
Take note Danny.
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Re: Tiger list spat - Spud vs Plough
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2007, 03:59:20 PM »
For what its worth the ""playing group"" arent happy with either ;)

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« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2007, 04:20:03 PM »
"It's hard to have a clear vision when you keep looking in the rear vision mirror," Frawley said. "That's my belief on where Richmond is at the moment . . . and where Terry is at.

Hard to look forward when you have been set so far back.

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"I would've thought he's got bigger fish to fry and that's win a game of footy."
Frawley, who works as a TV and radio commentator, did not want to be seen as the bitter former coach but, at the same time, he was fed up with seemingly being whacked by his former club.

LMAO@ That.
"I would've thought Spud would remember how bad,in comparison,his coaching was...

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I laugh at it now," he said.

*anger* and we laugh at you Frawley,just as we laughed at everything u TRIED to do.
t this point the spitting incident is looking rather justified.

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"I'm a big believer in not worrying about the problem, but give me the solution."


Yes....we know,the problem with that is,a true leader FINDS the solution rather than waiting for LADY FORTUNE to smile upon thee/


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Frawley, who was sacked as Tigers coach and now does part-time mentoring at Hawthorn, was inundated with media yesterday.

"I quite laugh at it because it's three years ago now," Frawley said. "I actually look at Hawthorn's model compared to Richmond's and where the clubs were at that time."
 

Gee...that's a lot of laughing for one man  to do.
Laugh at this,laugh at that - typical of the man.

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"They're still
trying to stop-gap with guys like Kent Kingsley, and Patrick Bowden and Mark Graham in his first year.
STILL ?
As in,like when you were coaching ::)


Im gonna enjoy this one

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Re: Tiger list spat - Spud vs Plough
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2007, 04:55:02 PM »
For what its worth the ""playing group"" arent happy with either ;)
Yep that's why they can't see open teammates in space, why they passed straight to the opposition and why they can't kick goals from 40m out. Perhaps if they brought their brains out of the changerooms with them they wouldn't get booed by their own supporters  ;).

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Re: Tiger list spat - Spud vs Plough
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2007, 06:30:46 PM »
For what its worth the ""playing group"" arent happy with either ;)
Yep that's why they can't see open teammates in space, why they passed straight to the opposition and why they can't kick goals from 40m out. Perhaps if they brought their brains out of the changerooms with them they wouldn't get booed by their own supporters  ;).

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Re: Tiger list spat - Spud vs Plough
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2007, 06:40:49 PM »

Jacstr

You don't drive a little Honda Jazz do you

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Re: Tiger list spat - Spud vs Plough
« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2007, 06:43:15 PM »
nope!
A honda, me  :nope

A bit more prestige please!

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Re: Tiger list spat - Spud vs Plough
« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2007, 06:47:20 PM »
nope!
A honda, me  :nope

A bit more prestige please!

I didn't think it was you, too young and good looking (and female)

The Honda had the No. Plates JACSTR

It would explain your soft attitude re the coach.

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