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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on July 06, 2007, 02:17:27 AM
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The bookies and media "experts" tips:
Richmond 2.35
Kangaroos 1.55
Richmond Under 39.5 Pts 2.95
Richmond Over 39.5 Pts 8.50
Draw 51.00
Kangaroos Under 39.5 Pts 2.30
Kangaroos Over 39.5 Pts 4.00
The Age jounros: 3-12
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So who gets the Roos main guns - Simpson, Boomer Harvey, Shannon Grant, Wells, Harris and 7 goal hero from last week Petrie?
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Tigers confident defence can hold 'Roos
July 6, 2007 - 6:17PM
The Age
Richmond assistant coach Jade Rawlings is confident the club has the defence to counter the Kangaroos' tall forwards at Telstra Dome on Sunday, despite struggling to do so against St Kilda last weekend.
The key defensive posts have been an issue for the Tigers at times this season, with Saints' stars Fraser Gehrig booting five goals and Nick Riewoldt four against them in match-winning performances last round.
With `Roos big man Drew Petrie coming off a seven-goal haul against the Western Bulldogs and 201cm David Hale also in good form, they face another big challenge on Sunday.
But Rawlings was confident 21-year-old stuff Will Thursfield, working his way back into form after returning from a serious knee injury in round eight, ex-Fremantle recruit Graham Polak and veteran Joel Bowden could handle them.
"Thursfield we've been really pleased with, admittedly Gehrig got five on him last week, but we see him as a long-term stuff, he's quick and he's competitive," Rawlings said.
"Bowden's been able to do the job on big players and Polak when he's played on taller players, he's done the job as well, so we've got a lot of options.
"It could be Hale and Petrie, he kicked seven last week ... but we've got plenty of tall options to cover everything."
He said the form of Polak, who trails only Matthew Richardson in marks taken by Richmond players this season, was a major positive.
"We've been rapt, he's been terrific in his ability to embrace the culture of the footy club and the way he's played," Rawlings said.
"He'd be well up in our best and fairest so far, we couldn't have been happier with the acquisition to our footy club in Graham."
First-year key position player Jack Riewoldt is another option in defence, after being recalled for what will be his second AFL match.
Having been recruited as a forward, the 18-year-old has excelled in defence for VFL side Coburg in recent weeks.
"He's played forward pretty much his whole career and when he came into the seniors he played forward and it didn't work out for him," Rawlings said.
"We've sent him down back for a couple of weeks, but he finds the ball well, he can defend really well ... he gives us versatility."
Meanwhile, Rawlings said star forward Nathan Brown had made a significant difference to the way the forward line functioned since making his comeback two weeks ago.
"The talk was before he came back in that it would just make everyone walk a bit taller," he said.
"It's hard to physically be able to measure that, but there's no doubt that everyone's felt more comfortable with him in the side.
"I think we're a better side when he's got the ball in his hands, because he uses it so well, or when he kicks goals.
"His attitude towards blending in with what we've tried to establish in the forward line this year has been first-rate."
http://news.realfooty.com.au/tigers-confident-defence-can-hold-roos/20070406-mc1.html
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Just bumping this thread up for today's game :gotigers.
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So who gets the Roos main guns - Simpson, Boomer Harvey, Shannon Grant, Wells, Harris and 7 goal hero from last week Petrie?
i'd say tuck on simpson, jacko has the pace to keep up with harvey, kingy on grant, i'd let wells go free cos he is coming back from injury (if he starts to carve it up then move sugar on to him). Harris head to head with Foley, Bowden and Thursfield tag team on Petrie
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half time
we should be in front but plough and his ugly match-ups have cost us again from the start of the game & we spent the second quarter catching up wasting energy
Richo is a true champion l hope everyone is getting behind him at the game with Richo chants his kept us in the game
Johnson needs to retire & as we done to Thomas Roach we should get rid of Raines now cause he is a 1 year wonder & costing the side dearly his constant turnovers & not maning his player goal side is a defence nightmare & Corey Jones is gunna kill us & be the difference at games end
Bowden needs to spend time on the bench because of his turnovers
A first year player in King puts more body on the line & hits his targets nearly every kick why cant the senior players do this
Clean the club out of this bad culture axe some players end of season
Polak should be on Petrie & King on Harvey & Deledio on Jones & Newman on Grant & Tambling on Wells should see us win the game from here wish us all luck :gotigers
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Deledio hand injury- the club should put him on ice for the rest of the season. let him watch from the coaches box and he might learn something about how the great players run hard all day.
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:banghead just got back
what a terrible game, turnovers galore especially out of defence, bowden and Rainesy the culprits.
looks like our aim of a PP is still in tack :P
but really dissapointed about Lids hand/thumb injury? :banghead
effing Grant, kicking in danger is one thing you are taught from Auskick :banghead
Lids looks to be out for at least 3-4 weeks. Most likely will come back in a couple of weeks but like you ramps I'd like him to be put on ice, the season is lost already, and it would be a good opportunity for him to learn in the coaches box, prob only positive.
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A few things I didnt like tonite which concerns me.
King is last quarter went third man up in marking contest leaving his opponent to kick an easy goal.
Tuck trying to hit up players inside 50, he either hits the target occassionally or misses by a long way.
Raines handball to no-one inside F 50 . ::)
And AFL footballers inability to kick goals from 10 metres out, yes Richo.
And the captain has to go.
When younsters like Edwards and Howat have a dip and the Capatin cannot lead by example, you have a problem.
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Just had a look at our fixture to r22 ... maximum 2 wins with a very real possibility that we will finish the season with 1 win and 1 draw only. Carlton seem to be going the full tank. We wont even get Kreuzer.
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A few things I didnt like tonite which concerns me.
King is last quarter went third man up in marking contest leaving his opponent to kick an easy goal.
Tuck trying to hit up players inside 50, he either hits the target occassionally or misses by a long way.
Raines handball to no-one inside F 50 . ::)
And AFL footballers inability to kick goals from 10 metres out, yes Richo.
And the captain has to go.
When younsters like Edwards and Howat have a dip and the Capatin cannot lead by example, you have a problem.
ditto :clapping
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the kicking in general tonight was abysmal. bowden, tuck and co. just shocking. We have a long long way to go.
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bowden's disposal was shocking not only because he kept turning it over, but also because he is usually such as good kick :o.
Tuck nothing new
Rainesys kicking yips continue
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the kicking in general tonight was abysmal. bowden, tuck and co. just shocking. We have a long long way to go.
Ramps, we are miles off the mark in regards to skills.
Watch them train and you will see how bad we are.
There was some good tonite, really like Edwards. Would think he should play every game no matter what, and leave Krak at Coburg.
Like Howat as well.
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Riewoldt just has to show some extra mobility and he'll be ok, but there is a question mark over how quick he is for his height.
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Bowden...dont even start me ffs.
Why dont any of you understand the fact he is a polished dud. :banghead
Bluey,u cant be THAT surprised,SURELY ????
Johnson - lmaooooooo
Jack - VFL
Raines - becoming a dud.
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Bowden...dont even start me ffs.
Why dont any of you understand the fact he is a polished dud. :banghead
Bluey,u cant be THAT surprised,SURELY ????
Johnson - lmaooooooo
Jack - VFL
Raines - becoming a dud.
Ive had question marks on Bowden for a long time but im in a minority- never been impressed with his stats because roaming around a back pocket getting cheap kicks doesnt really impress me much.
Johnson should retire but wont because we already have to get rid of so many before him
Riewoldt- looks abit slow to me at this level atm. Maybe a 3rd tall.
Raines- thinks hes Tarzan the way he plays...lol...tries to do the big stuff, if he just concentrated on being effective he could get back to what he did last year.
massive problems with the playing list at punt road. IMO.
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Raines has a problem.
He has developed a bad habit of taking players on who are coming directly at him. he tries to go right through them.
he should be trying to either run and carry on get on the overlap like he did last year, have seen very little of the Raines 2006 vintage this year.
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Bowden...dont even start me ffs.
Why dont any of you understand the fact he is a polished dud. :banghead
Bluey,u cant be THAT surprised,SURELY ????
Johnson - lmaooooooo
Jack - VFL
Raines - becoming a dud.
Ive had question marks on Bowden for a long time but im in a minority- never been impressed with his stats because roaming around a back pocket getting cheap kicks doesnt really impress me much.
Johnson should retire but wont because we already have to get rid of so many before him
Riewoldt- looks abit slow to me at this level atm. Maybe a 3rd tall.
Raines- thinks hes Tarzan the way he plays...lol...tries to do the big stuff, if he just concentrated on being effective he could get back to what he did last year.
massive problems with the playing list at punt road. IMO.
save me a chair for the minority meeting.
I'll be there around 8.
Now,this is a fair dinkum question.
Has there ever been a WORSE captain in the AFL, EVER?
Think about the following things
1 Laughable skills.
2 - NEVER inspires team
3 - Scared of the REAL hard ball
4 - never talks
5 - responsible for @ least two losses this year,himself whilst NOT being responsible for any wins.
6 - The ability to enter a set play and completely kill its vibe.
I really would love to hear some of the more sensible posters view on this........as well as us
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Have just ticked 1 through to 6.
he isnt inspirational and thats what captains or should I say leaders need to be.
Before Pavlich took over this year from Peter Bell as capatin of Freo, I would think that Bell is the type of leader any team would want. Kicked goals against the trend in games and actually ran his guts out for his team.
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Dont think so Ox, our captain takes the cake.
Once again we were poorly coached, why would you start a game so defensive and continue to push numbers behind the ball. Sure if we were down by 10 goals and you were trying to stop the ship from sinking but from the first bounce??
As also mentioned skill errors were the major factor tonight with our so called leaders on top of the list.
Bowden is one of the most frustrating players to watch :banghead
Johnson X two :banghead
Richo is a champ, poor bastard works his ring off and gets let down time and time again. I bet he wished he played in a different team.
King was good tonight, i know as Jack said he made a bad mistake going third man up but he is still learning and will get better.
Edwards will be a champ also, great thinker and another pre-season he will be much better.
Tuck must go, no questions asked.
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I might just add that I wouldnt think they are tanking either, whats the point, Blues will get first pick, they arent going to win another game ;)
I wont start on the coaching and game plan, listen to tuesdays with the man from the solarium and he will give you his spin on it. ::)
Actually I will start, why wouldnt you play a half fit Simmonds out of the goal square on occassions ::)
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Blues will get first pick, they arent going to win another game ;)
Our only chance is when they play Melb again in Rd 22. Other than that you wouldnt think they would win any more games.
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Crap skills crap captain and lazy as players. They just stand and wait to see which way the oppostion are going to run and then its too late!!! :banghead. Half of our players would struggle to get a game with the Mt Evelyn Reserves! >:(
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Mt Evelyn reserves, I am tipping you would have to earn your kicks
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agree on Edwards.
I'm not bagging on Walace because simply,once again we had chances
but our conversion rate is abominable.
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[Raines- thinks hes Tarzan the way he plays...lol...tries to do the big stuff, if he just concentrated on being effective he could get back to what he did last year.
Unfortunately I think you're right on this one. Skills were shocking tonight. Whoever is skills coach should be shot! What's the point of getting Robbie Kearns to help with tackling if they aren't going to do it properly. The tackling is at best, woeful.
Why wasn't that free for Johnson given as play-on, resulting in a Richo goal? Umpire made Johnson take the kick. Who was on Petrie? And who dismissed Petrie earlier on the week as not being a threat?
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Rankings
Richo 129
Petrie 124
Jones 121
McMahon 115
Sinclair 113
Pratt 113
Grant 105
Harvey 102
King 98
Johnson 92
Newman 91
Swallow 89
Rawlings 89
Wells 87
Foley 87
Green 84
Tivendale 84
Pettifer 79
Polak 77
Simpson 74
Tambling 74
Howat 73
Edwards 71
Smith 70
L.Brown 67
Thursfield 66
J.Bowden 66
Harris 65
McIntosh 65
Deledio 63
Jackson 62
Watt 61
Firrito 61
Pattison 58
Simmonds 57
Tuck 56
Riewoldt 55
Hale 52
Raines 44
Archer 42
N.Brown 38
Lower 34
White 30
Campbell 15
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You could tell after the first 5 minutes we didn't come to play. Pitiful. The standard of the game was as bad as the Brissy game. Says a lot about North that they only won by 25 points. Basically defeated us by working much harder as they demonstated many times chipping the ball along the boundary line into their forward line without us getting anywhere near it. We were tanking (you wouldn't have kept Jacko on Boomer Harvey for the whole game unless you wanted to give Daniel a football lesson which is what he got) but we didn't need to once the game started. The senior players/leaders as mentioned let us down badly again.
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Raines has a problem.
He has developed a bad habit of taking players on who are coming directly at him. he tries to go right through them.
he should be trying to either run and carry on get on the overlap like he did last year, have seen very little of the Raines 2006 vintage this year.
Totally agree Jack. Rainesy has forgotten that the first option is more often than not the best option. Mind you he wasn't alone in that regard tonight.
Tuck can't foot pass with precision. We already knew that. Just a player who gets the pill and punts it forward.
Joel can kick but took too long to get his kicks away tonight telegraphing them to the opposition who cut them off. When a teammate is 20m free on the wing he should know you don't have time to baulk around an opponent and then kick :-X.
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And who dismissed Petrie earlier on the week as not being a threat?
Me.
Got a bit of egg on my face over that one. hehe.
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Has there ever been a WORSE captain in the AFL, EVER?
Think about the following things
1 Laughable skills.
2 - NEVER inspires team
3 - Scared of the REAL hard ball
4 - never talks
5 - responsible for @ least two losses this year,himself whilst NOT being responsible for any wins.
6 - The ability to enter a set play and completely kill its vibe.
I really would love to hear some of the more sensible posters view on this........as well as us
Dunno if I'm counted as one of the more sensible posters Ox but here's my thoughts on each one;
1- Check
2- Check
3- Check
4- Check
5- Can't remember which two losses your talking about Ox but check on not being responsible for any wins.
6- Check
I've just got my fingers crossed that he is eased out of the captaincy at the end of the year, to "allow Kane to concentrate on his game"
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Can someone explain to me why Terry wouldn't drop a few players back and give the boys who have been performing at Coburg a shot?? Maybe its time for Johnson, Petts, Bowden & co. to earn their spot rather than be listed because of their "experience". Watching Coburg yesterday there are at least 4 players who would have done a better job tonight......
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Has there ever been a WORSE captain in the AFL, EVER?
Think about the following things
1 Laughable skills.
2 - NEVER inspires team
3 - Scared of the REAL hard ball
4 - never talks
5 - responsible for @ least two losses this year,himself whilst NOT being responsible for any wins.
6 - The ability to enter a set play and completely kill its vibe.
I really would love to hear some of the more sensible posters view on this........as well as us
Dunno if I'm counted as one of the more sensible posters Ox but here's my thoughts on each one;
1- Check
2- Check
3- Check
4- Check
5- Can't remember which two losses your talking about Ox but check on not being responsible for any wins.
6- Check
I've just got my fingers crossed that he is eased out of the captaincy at the end of the year, to "allow Kane to concentrate on his game"
Agree on all the above criteria as we all know on the number of threads and posts that have been posted on this forum throughout the course of the season. He did have a dip tonight during the third quarter I thought but his input in the course of the game through getting the ball disposing of it and his chatter on the field lacks charcter vibrancy vivaciousness and hence he is just a plain footballer who is being outshone by many of the junior members of the footy club week in and week out and therefore the captaincy needs to be taken from him as people like that do not inspire, they infuriate and leave you scratching your head at the position they hold. As for the worst captain in the league I would tend to say yes right now although the captain of the opposition we play next week should he return from injury may have a say in these matters if he strings a few games together. All in all we need an overhaul in our on field leadership area post season b/c Sugar is about as sweet as a lemon in these regards.
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The TANKING started from the Terry Wallace talk to the commentators before the game saying we are not tanking :rollin
If everyone is saying that Terry than its true get out of the club the members dont want your BS promises anymore
Give me that team l would coach them better than TW
his matchups are a JOKE at the start of a game you can see it so plain
my room of vistors said oh no our matchups are going to kill us in the first 15 minutes & what happened
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
get out of our club TW you were a poo player for us & your a poo coach too l have had a gutful of you
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The TANKING started from the Terry Wallace talk to the commentators before the game saying we are not tanking :rollin
If everyone is saying that Terry than its true get out of the club the members dont want your BS promises anymore
Give me that team l would coach them better than TW
his matchups are a JOKE at the start of a game you can see it so plain
my room of vistors said oh no our matchups are going to kill us in the first 15 minutes & what happened
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
get out of our club TW you were a pooh player for us & your a pooh coach too l have had a gutful of you
I wont say a word :thumbsup
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I thought you said we weren't tanking Jack :-\
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Can someone explain to me why Terry wouldn't drop a few players back and give the boys who have been performing at Coburg a shot?? Maybe its time for Johnson, Petts, Bowden & co. to earn their spot rather than be listed because of their "experience". Watching Coburg yesterday there are at least 4 players who would have done a better job tonight......
To remain competitive and to give our cubs are chance to focus on their game by having senior players in the team around them. A team full of youth would get smashed which does nothing for our cubs development. Jack starred at Coburg the past couple of weeks but didn't do much last night due to his youth and inexperience. It's a massive gap from VFL to AFL.
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Jack also needs to find an extra yard or two in speed from what I saw.
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Jack also needs to find an extra yard or two in speed from what I saw.
True Ramps. It's only his first year though so give him another preseason or three.
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I thought you said we weren't tanking Jack :-\
We dont tank, we are just that bad
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I thought you said we weren't tanking Jack :-\
We dont tank, we are just that bad
"we" ??? :lol
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So tell me - who's fault is it when a player has been given a specific instruction regarding their opponent and they do not follow that instruction ???
Now me thinks that is the fault of the player not the coach
I agree with MT for us to finish up only losing by 25 points is an indictment on North. It was worse effort of the year behind the Geelong game and we only lost by 25 points shopuld have 75 points.
Also agree with all the comments about our skills absolutely shocking.
The only thing worse than our skills yesterday was our decision making - I mean kciking to Brown when he has 3 opponents ...pluuhhzeeee
Tuck - i just read in the HUN had 11 clangers :gobdrop :gobdrop
Sad thing is he's been doing most of the year - gets the ball and chucks it on his boot.
As for some of the others - lest just say they didn't let me down with their disposal efforts :shh
Just on Jake King - agree made a terrible mistake in the final quarter but he shows more G&D than a lot of his team mates
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As for some of the others - lest just say they didn't let me down with their disposal efforts :shh
3 possessions in 1 hr is just not good enough, u must admit to that wp. i reckon terry deep down would be mega peed off with an effort like that
a half of footy like that for guys like meyer , krak etc means punishment
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Man - Just have to say really dissapointed with that.
Thought we were a real show, and in all honesty the final score did flatter us.
Yeah the roos are ok, but we just seem to save our best for the real tough games (adelaide in adelaide, freo in freo) and then we come into a game where we, me them think they are a chance and the mental edge just goes out the window. whereas if we played as we did in some of those better games we could of not only of won but won in relative comfort.
You Know of the 5 'what I consider' most dissapointing performances this year including this one against the Roos, the lions and the win against Melbourne were another 2 of them.
The Brisbane game was atrocious. Geelong (captain obvious) and Skunks being the others.
Just hope they can switch on this week, otherwise I will be embarrased for the club and personally shattered.
Just can't let the Hawks smash us, which will be on the cards unless above.
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3 possessions in 1 hr is just not good enough, u must admit to that wp. i reckon terry deep down would be mega peed off with an effort like that
a half of footy like that for guys like meyer , krak etc means punishment
I wasn't talking solely about Tivendale xXx, I actually thought up until halftime he was our best.
His 2nd half was poor. But he had a lot of mates - our clanger stats were shocking and that's being polite :thumbsup
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3 possessions in 1 hr is just not good enough, u must admit to that wp. i reckon terry deep down would be mega peed off with an effort like that
a half of footy like that for guys like meyer , krak etc means punishment
I wasn't talking solely about Tivendale xXx, I actually thought up until halftime he was our best.
i know wp, but u know me, where ever i can have a dig at tiv i will ;D
maybe terry is reading this
drop tiv asap!