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		Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Ramps on July 31, 2007, 03:22:14 PM
		
			
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				Considering the following
 
 We are having a shocking season and we are likely to lose whatever Friday Nights we had and the sponsors will get less exposure
 
 We are still in debt
 
 We are looking at a membership debacle next year unless the club can properly spin the "future" - we could lose thousands of members.
 
 We have the worst list in the competition - its worse in my opinion than what it was in the late 1980s
 
 The supporters are losing hope and if they lose interest, the club is in real trouble
 
 The club is unable to compete in terms of the football department ie. We cant recruit players properly from SA and WA and across Australia and other clubs are making good players out of Irish recruits- regularly
 
 The club seems light years away from being a force, at this stage even being competitive seems a long way away.
 
 The media is now comparing us to Fitzroy in its darkest hours.
 
 
 So whats the future? Do we have a future the way we are going?
 
 
 
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				Unbiased point of view, ramps, we are the new fitzroy
			
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				Considering the following
 
 We are having a shocking season and we are likely to lose whatever Friday Nights we had and the sponsors will get less exposure -
 
 dont know about friday nights, but richmond allways gets exposure no matter what
 
 We are still in debt
 
 On the way up
 
 We are looking at a membership debacle next year unless the club can properly spin the "future" - we could lose thousands of members.
 
 Membership continued to grow this year and pushed to 30,000 even though we were struggling
 
 We have the worst list in the competition - its worse in my opinion than what it was in the late 1980s
 
 
 Disagree
 
 The supporters are losing hope and if they lose interest, the club is in real trouble
 
 Losing hope at the moment, but with each new year a new beginning beckons
 
 The club is unable to compete in terms of the football department ie. We cant recruit players properly from SA and WA and across Australia and other clubs are making good players out of Irish recruits- regularly
 
 All vic clubs struggle compared to SA and WA, the AFL created the monster, they need to do something about it. 1 Irish recruit to be exact
 The club seems light years away from being a force, at this stage even being competitive seems a long way away.
 
 The media is now comparing us to Fitzroy in its darkest hours.
 
 Media schemdia
 
 
 So whats the future? Do we have a future the way we are going?
 
 We have one of the best supporter bases, it shows with the support we have maintained throughout a very bleak testing 25 years.
 The way we are going I will judge in 2009. I like some of the kids, just need to keep them together as a group and expand on that.
 
 Know how ur feeling Ramps, believe dat. But we must keep our chins up no matter how hard it is at times.
 Remember Hawthorn and StKilda and now Carlton have to go through short term pain fo the long term gain.
 No use sticking to our topping up as we have done in years gone by.
 The bullet was bit when Wallace started and the short term pain is now on in ernest.
 Hopefully the long term gain pops it's head for as teaser sooner 2008/2009 rather than later. :thumbsup
 
 
 
 As for doofus' comment about Fitzroy, best ignored. Not even close  :wallywink
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				Two wooden spoons in four years, I would say thats pretty close
			
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				i think the only aspect of our club that looks fitzroyish is the football side of the club. Our inability to improve is just a disgrace.
			
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				Unbiased point of view, ramps, we are the new fitzroy
 
 
 wrong jack!
 
 you are offending fitzroy there
 
 we are worse than what fitzroy ever was! fitzroy at least had a pretty good list and decent players that other clubs benefited from. they had 9 premirships we have 10, we have a few more supporters than they did, but they had a much better and talented list
 
 jack, if things dont change fast
 
 we are doomed!
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				 :rollin
 
 Comparing us to Fitzroy who no longer exist because they couldn't make a profit no matter how well they performed on the field and for all their history had a man and his dog following them. Comparing us to the late 1980s when our debt levels were at 50-60% of our annual revenue. Yep but it's the rest of us who are living in la la land as to where we are at ::).
 
 The fact is we will make a PROFIT this year despite just having 1.5 wins. The Club has finally realised that we need to pump $$$ into recruiting and development. As for Friday night games and the draw - we get screwed anyway by the AFL so what's new.
 
 
 
 
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				Seriously, who would want to watch the bottom side on friday night football anyway ::)
			
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				Seriously, who would want to watch the bottom side on friday night football anyway ::)
 
 
 Richmond people Jack ?
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				Seriously, who would want to watch the bottom side on friday night football anyway ::)
 
 
 Friday Night Football TV Ratings
 
 RND            TEAMS                             Channel    Total      Syd      Melb      Bris       Adel      Perth
 
 RND 10: COLLINGWOOD V FREMANTLE Seven 863,000 20,000 433,000 35,000 146,000 228,000
 RND 13: ESSENDON V MELBOURNE      Seven 808,000 27,000 499,000 11,000 149,000 122,000
 RND 17: W.BULLDOGS V WEST COAST Seven 807,000 21,000 351,000 9,000 130,000 295,000
 RND 3: COLLINGWOOD V RICHMOND    Seven 804,000 22,000 485,000 14,000 159,000 125,000
 RND 15: ST KILDA V ADELAIDE           Seven 802,000 41,000 409,000 18,000 226,000 108,000
 RND 14: ESSENDON V GEELONG          Seven 799,000 16,000 500,000 14,000 145,000 124,000
 RND 2: BRISBANE LIONS V ST KILDA*  Seven 781,000 37,000 382,000 117,000 142,000 103,000
 RND 7: KANGAROOS V ESSENDON        Seven 754,000 34,000 425,000 17,000 143,000 135,000
 RND 8: ADELAIDE V RICHMOND            Seven 741,000 35,000 382,000 11,000 201,000 113,000
 RND 6: ST. KILDA V CARLTON               Seven 720,000 24,000 421,000 34,000 128,000 113,000
 RND 16: GEELONG V W.BULLDOGS         Seven 720,000 31,000 449,000 10,000 122,000 109,000
 RND 12: RICHMOND V MELBOURNE       Seven 719,000 36,000 409,000 22,000 135,000 117,000
 RND 12: CARLTON V HAWTHORN          Seven 718,000 38,000 443,000 16,000 126,000 96,000
 RND 1: MELBOURNE V ST KILDA           Seven 709,000 19,000 385,000 14,000 168,000 123,000
 RND 9: FREMANTLE V ST. KILDA           Seven 708,000 30,000 317,000 18,000 122,000 220,000
 RND 4: RICHMOND V W.BULLDOGS       Seven 692,000 17,000 396,000 12,000 142,000 126,000
 RND 5: PORT ADELAIDE V ST. KILDA     Seven 670,000 25,000 327,000 5,000 184,000 129,000
 
 *Easter Thursday game
 
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				Seriously, who would want to watch the bottom side on friday night football anyway ::)
 
 
 Friday Night Football TV Ratings
 
 RND            TEAMS                             Channel    Total      Syd      Melb      Bris       Adel      Perth
 
 RND 10: COLLINGWOOD V FREMANTLE Seven 863,000 20,000 433,000 35,000 146,000 228,000
 RND 13: ESSENDON V MELBOURNE      Seven 808,000 27,000 499,000 11,000 149,000 122,000
 RND 17: W.BULLDOGS V WEST COAST Seven 807,000 21,000 351,000 9,000 130,000 295,000
 RND 3: COLLINGWOOD V RICHMOND    Seven 804,000 22,000 485,000 14,000 159,000 125,000
 RND 15: ST KILDA V ADELAIDE           Seven 802,000 41,000 409,000 18,000 226,000 108,000
 RND 14: ESSENDON V GEELONG          Seven 799,000 16,000 500,000 14,000 145,000 124,000
 RND 2: BRISBANE LIONS V ST KILDA*  Seven 781,000 37,000 382,000 117,000 142,000 103,000
 RND 7: KANGAROOS V ESSENDON        Seven 754,000 34,000 425,000 17,000 143,000 135,000
 RND 8: ADELAIDE V RICHMOND            Seven 741,000 35,000 382,000 11,000 201,000 113,000
 RND 6: ST. KILDA V CARLTON               Seven 720,000 24,000 421,000 34,000 128,000 113,000
 RND 16: GEELONG V W.BULLDOGS         Seven 720,000 31,000 449,000 10,000 122,000 109,000
 RND 12: RICHMOND V MELBOURNE       Seven 719,000 36,000 409,000 22,000 135,000 117,000
 RND 12: CARLTON V HAWTHORN          Seven 718,000 38,000 443,000 16,000 126,000 96,000
 RND 1: MELBOURNE V ST KILDA           Seven 709,000 19,000 385,000 14,000 168,000 123,000
 RND 9: FREMANTLE V ST. KILDA           Seven 708,000 30,000 317,000 18,000 122,000 220,000
 RND 4: RICHMOND V W.BULLDOGS       Seven 692,000 17,000 396,000 12,000 142,000 126,000
 RND 5: PORT ADELAIDE V ST. KILDA     Seven 670,000 25,000 327,000 5,000 184,000 129,000
 
 *Easter Thursday game
 
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 OE, u r the stats man!
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				And for entertainment value.
 
 2007
 Rnd 1 -> 17
 Fri 30 Mar Melbourne v St Kilda  MCG 62-93 - margin 31
 Fri 13 Apr Collingwood v Richmond  MCG 115-90 - margin 25
 Fri 20 Apr Richmond v Western Bulldogs  MCG 100-132 - margin 32
 Fri 27 Apr Port Adelaide v St Kilda  Football Park 96-43 - margin 53
 Fri 4 May St Kilda v Carlton  Docklands Stadium 125-82 - margin 43
 Fri 11 May Kangaroos v Essendon  Docklands Stadium 117-95 - margin 22
 Fri 18 May Adelaide v Richmond  Football Park 99-90 - margin 9
 Fri 25 May Fremantle v St Kilda  Subiaco 101-55 - margin 46
 Fri 1 Jun Collingwood v Fremantle  MCG 103-94 - margin 9
 Fri 8 Jun Essendon v West Coast  Docklands Stadium 95-94 - margin 1
 Fri 15 Jun Carlton v Hawthorn  Docklands Stadium 80-180 - margin 100
 Fri 29 Jun Essendon v Melbourne  Docklands Stadium 125-123 - margin 2
 Fri 6 Jul Essendon v Geelong  Docklands Stadium 83-133 - margin 50
 Fri 13 Jul St Kilda v Adelaide  Docklands Stadium 82-80 - margin 2
 Fri 20 Jul Geelong v Western Bulldogs  Docklands Stadium 138-63 - margin 75
 Fri 27 Jul Western Bulldogs v West Coast  Docklands Stadium 71-158 - margin 87
 
 Average margin 36
 Richmond avg margin 22
 
 hmmmmmmm
 
 So on average, apart from losing all 3 the tiger games are more entertaining ...... :wallywink
 
 
 
 
 
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				The Rich v Melb game was on Friday night as well  :thumbsup. 
 
 We have one more against the Pies next week.
 
 Fri 20 Jul Geelong v Western Bulldogs  Docklands Stadium 138-63 - margin 75
 Fri 27 Jul Western Bulldogs v West Coast  Docklands Stadium 71-158 - margin 87
 
 Sheesh the dogs have done well on friday nights this year :o
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				All I will say on this is:
 
 You want to see our future and where we are heading then have a look at the kids we have running around at Coburg and believe me things are not as gloomy as everyone says. I don't put credence into the likes of Caro & walls saying there is no hope with our list - they wouldn't kow anything about the kids playing there
 
 The business side of the club is bvery strong indeed - another half million to million $ profit on its way.
 
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 You want to see our future and where we are heading then have a look at the kids we have running around at Coburg and believe me things are not as gloomy as everyone says. I don't put credence into the likes of Caro & walls saying there is no hope with our list - they wouldn't kow anything about the kids playing there
 
 
 
 Fair point WP. We have drafted well last year and Collins is getting big wraps as a coach.
 
 But do you think Terry and co are good enough to bring them on? I'm not overly impressed with the development of the class of 2004.
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				Imagine being a kid on draft day and getting your name called out by us...theyd almost cry I reckon.
			
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				Imagine being a kid on draft day and getting your name called out by us...theyd almost cry I reckon.
 
 Unless you barrack for them....
 
 It'd be the easiest job around, show a little glimpse of skill, get a big fat contract, then never tackle, gut run or mind an opponent till next contract time.
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 Fair point WP. We have drafted well last year and Collins is getting big wraps as a coach.
 
 But do you think Terry and co are good enough to bring them on? I'm not overly impressed with the development of the class of 2004.
 
 
 I reckon with the exception of Meyer the class of 2004 have all shown enough for me to think they'll be OK.
 
 I think the improvement in Pattison this season has been above expectation and this year because of what he has had to do has probably been incredibly beneficial to his long term development. When I look at Pattison I similarities to Benny Gale who took a few years longer than the likes of Knights, Free & Campbell to develop.
 
 I know people are critical of Tambling but I have seen marked improvement in him this year, defensively he's improved but having said that still needs to improve. What he needs more than anything is consistency. But hey is is still only 20.
 
 McGuane has come on this year - yep needs to get bigger but compared to this time last year - improved.
 
 McCrae has been a huge win for the RFC - excellent at his job and definitely staying (especially now Voss has made a smart decision and opted out of coaching in 2008). He's only been there 10 months - I think we will see the benefits of his work in 2008 more so than 2007
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 Fair point WP. We have drafted well last year and Collins is getting big wraps as a coach.
 
 But do you think Terry and co are good enough to bring them on? I'm not overly impressed with the development of the class of 2004.
 
 
 I reckon with the exception of Meyer the class of 2004 have all shown enough for me to think they'll be OK.
 
 I think the improvement in Pattison this season has been above expectation and this year because of what he has had to do has probably been incredibly beneficial to his long term development. When I look at Pattison I similarities to Benny Gale who took a few years longer than the likes of Knights, Free & Campbell to develop.
 
 I know people are critical of Tambling but I have seen marked improvement in him this year, defensively he's improved but having said that still needs to improve. What he needs more than anything is consistency. But hey is is still only 20.
 
 McGuane has come on this year - yep needs to get bigger but compared to this time last year - improved.
 
 McCrae has been a huge win for the RFC - excellent at his job and definitely staying (especially now Voss has made a smart decision and opted out of coaching in 2008). He's only been there 10 months - I think we will see the benefits of his work in 2008 more so than 2007
 
 Agree WP. All the more reason to boost $$$ in development as well as recruiting as the Club plans to do.
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				Last week's game against the Pies was the 7th most watched Friday Night match this year.
 
 Friday Night Football TV Ratings
 
 RND            TEAMS                             Channel    Total      Syd      Melb      Bris       Adel      Perth
 
 RND 10: COLLINGWOOD V FREMANTLE Seven 863,000 20,000 433,000 35,000 146,000 228,000
 RND 13: ESSENDON V MELBOURNE      Seven 808,000 27,000 499,000 11,000 149,000 122,000
 RND 17: W.BULLDOGS V WEST COAST Seven 807,000 21,000 351,000 9,000 130,000 295,000
 RND 3: COLLINGWOOD V RICHMOND    Seven 804,000 22,000 485,000 14,000 159,000 125,000
 RND 15: ST KILDA V ADELAIDE           Seven 802,000 41,000 409,000 18,000 226,000 108,000
 RND 14: ESSENDON V GEELONG          Seven 799,000 16,000 500,000 14,000 145,000 124,000
 RND 19: RICHMOND V COLLINGWOOD  Seven 789,000 24,000 477,000 21,000 132,000 134,000
 RND 2: BRISBANE LIONS V ST KILDA*  Seven 781,000 37,000 382,000 117,000 142,000 103,000
 RND 7: KANGAROOS V ESSENDON        Seven 754,000 34,000 425,000 17,000 143,000 135,000
 RND 8: ADELAIDE V RICHMOND            Seven 741,000 35,000 382,000 11,000 201,000 113,000
 RND 6: ST. KILDA V CARLTON               Seven 720,000 24,000 421,000 34,000 128,000 113,000
 RND 16: GEELONG V W.BULLDOGS         Seven 720,000 31,000 449,000 10,000 122,000 109,000
 RND 12: RICHMOND V MELBOURNE       Seven 719,000 36,000 409,000 22,000 135,000 117,000
 RND 12: CARLTON V HAWTHORN          Seven 718,000 38,000 443,000 16,000 126,000 96,000
 RND 18: W.BULLDOGS V ST KILDA        Seven 712,000 24,000 405,000 9,000 149,000 126,000
 RND 1: MELBOURNE V ST KILDA           Seven 709,000 19,000 385,000 14,000 168,000 123,000
 RND 9: FREMANTLE V ST. KILDA           Seven 708,000 30,000 317,000 18,000 122,000 220,000
 RND 4: RICHMOND V W.BULLDOGS       Seven 692,000 17,000 396,000 12,000 142,000 126,000
 RND 5: PORT ADELAIDE V ST. KILDA     Seven 670,000 25,000 327,000 5,000 184,000 129,000
 
 *Easter Thursday game
 
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				The future is looking pretty good  :thumbsup even if it was only a win against Dad's Army  ;D. We've just got to make sure we tank next week  :yep  ;)
 
 
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				Today was great from several points of  view. We have some big game players who are not afraid of the big stage- Brett Deledio is the next captain.
 
 Some worrying signs, some efforts early on were pitiful and soft. Anyway we won, now lets lose next week coz we need the picks.
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				Today was great from several points of  view. We have some big game players who are not afraid of the big stage- Brett Deledio is the next captain.
 
 Some worrying signs, some efforts early on were pitiful and soft. Anyway we won, now lets lose next week coz we need the picks.
 
 
 nah, lets do a subtle carlton tank  ;)
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				by the way im not gonna name the players whose efforts early were very very soft, but plough needs to look at it. 
			
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				Towards the end of the game, I think the players could be excused.  The pace seemed pretty quick all night and fatigue would have set in.  Shame James Hird and Sheeds were so inconsiderate to make all the players wait for them in the guard of honour whilst they slowly did a lap of honour, delaying the players of their cool down.
			
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				once we have a key forward who can kick str8 and not choke infront of big crowds we will be ok