One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on December 11, 2007, 02:59:32 PM
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Okay we've had a few hours to take in all our picks today. So how did we all rate how the Club performed in the whole trade, national, preseason and rookie drafts period?
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I am genuinely thrilled by the potential this years draft pickup offer for the future of our great club. The last time I felt so optimistic about a batch of players was the 2004 draft.
1 We have the No 1 pick of the National Draft in Cotchin
(don't believe Carlton saying they went for the best player, they went for need over ability in the end particularly considering the Judd trade and picking up 2 midfielders in the last two drafts with No 1)
2 We snaffled the best defender in the National Draft with Rance
Size, height, ability and skill, Rance is a backman specialist who is a masterful choice for our future
3 Shored up our Ruck division with Putt who could also develop into a monster of a forward.
4 Grabbed a player in the PSD that has both youth and talent - Gourdis and was predicted by all the experts to be a first round draft pick. He will be a star in the future for our team.
5 Collard is another unfurfilled talent. With his natural ability and a new start the sky is the limit for this bloke
6 Sylvester is a strong midfielder/defender with height. He carved up the VFL last year in most of the games I saw and will add strength and depth to our midfield.
So adding our first 6 choices to our all ready young talented list you have to start getting excited. I think I can see the light at the end of the tunnel and its getting brighter by the day! :woohoo
Stripes
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6Sylvester is a strong midfielder with height. He carved up the VFL last year in most of the games I saw and will add strength and depth to our midfield.
The cat is a key defender :shh ;) :D :lol
I went for 9, we did very well this draft but ATM the only query i have is the McMahon/pick 19 conondrum. I really do rate Jordy but 19 was a bit over the top IMHO. If as i believe McMahon was out of contract this could have panned out even better for us.
19. Selwood
67. Gourdis
PSD 1. McMahon
We get everything we have plus Selwood
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Probably the best in years.
Only genuine disappointment was the retention of Howat.
Still it's only early days.
8 for me.
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8 for me aswell
compared to previous years we have done very well but still would of loved an extra pick in the nd
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I was happy until we got to the choices of Silvester and Howat. They are good VFL players and allow some insurance but i feel we are along way away from needing insurance players. If a few players go down and we finish 14th and not 10th or 11th then who cares? I think we would have been better off going for a speculative player with these picks just in the hope that they came good. With guy's like Ellard, Arrowsmith, Laidler, Sullivan, Kangars and Renton still available, i feel we would have been better to go for these types of players.
In my opinion Howat, Silvester and Cartledge where only ever intended to be listed for one year as the insurance and so that we can delist them without having to pay them out, allowing us to take 3 more rookies next season. With alot of clubs filling up there rookie lists this year with guy's on 2 year contracts, our 3 picks could come very early in the rookie draft next year.
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I was happy until we got to the choices of Silvester and Howat. They are good VFL players and allow some insurance but i feel we are along way away from needing insurance players. If a few players go down and we finish 14th and not 10th or 11th then who cares? I think we would have been better off going for a speculative player with these picks just in the hope that they came good. With guy's like Ellard, Arrowsmith, Laidler, Sullivan, Kangars and Renton still available, i feel we would have been better to go for these types of players.
In my opinion Howat, Silvester and Cartledge where only ever intended to be listed for one year as the insurance and so that we can delist them without having to pay them out, allowing us to take 3 more rookies next season. With alot of clubs filling up there rookie lists this year with guy's on 2 year contracts, our 3 picks could come very early in the rookie draft next year.
next years draft is looking like a bumper crop like 06
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I was happy until we got to the choices of Silvester and Howat. They are good VFL players and allow some insurance but i feel we are along way away from needing insurance players. If a few players go down and we finish 14th and not 10th or 11th then who cares? I think we would have been better off going for a speculative player with these picks just in the hope that they came good. With guy's like Ellard, Arrowsmith, Laidler, Sullivan, Kangars and Renton still available, i feel we would have been better to go for these types of players.
In my opinion Howat, Silvester and Cartledge where only ever intended to be listed for one year as the insurance and so that we can delist them without having to pay them out, allowing us to take 3 more rookies next season. With alot of clubs filling up there rookie lists this year with guy's on 2 year contracts, our 3 picks could come very early in the rookie draft next year.
next years draft is looking like a bumper crop like 06
Good to hear :cheers
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As I've said before Bluey, Port was also after McMahon so he would not have made it to the PSD.
I'm sure that in Years to come people will be saying that it was the 2007 draft that turned our fortunes around and made us regular finals contenders. Very happy with this draft and I gave it an 8. :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
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true tiga, but from i what i understand, McMahon had no interest returning to SA so he could have forced the doggies hand Judd-style
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I was happy until we got to the choices of Silvester and Howat. They are good VFL players and allow some insurance but i feel we are along way away from needing insurance players. If a few players go down and we finish 14th and not 10th or 11th then who cares? I think we would have been better off going for a speculative player with these picks just in the hope that they came good. With guy's like Ellard, Arrowsmith, Laidler, Sullivan, Kangars and Renton still available, i feel we would have been better to go for these types of players.
In my opinion Howat, Silvester and Cartledge where only ever intended to be listed for one year as the insurance and so that we can delist them without having to pay them out, allowing us to take 3 more rookies next season. With alot of clubs filling up there rookie lists this year with guy's on 2 year contracts, our 3 picks could come very early in the rookie draft next year.
next years draft is looking like a bumper crop like 06
Good to hear :cheers
some names to listen out for are:
Dan Rich
Nicholas 'my main man' Naitanui
Hamish Hartlett (Carlton's Adam's brother)
Chris Yarran
Nick Suban
Jackson Trengrove
Michael Hurley
Adam Cornelius
Mitch Banner
Matt Deboer
:thumbsup
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I went for 9, we did very well this draft but ATM the only query i have is the McMahon/pick 19 conondrum. I really do rate Jordy but 19 was a bit over the top IMHO. If as i believe McMahon was out of contract this could have panned out even better for us.
19. Selwood
67. Gourdis
PSD 1. McMahon
We get everything we have plus Selwood
Agree totally.
I asked Miller the question at members draft night if we could have pursued Mc Mahon in the PSD and he actually said yes he could have, but wanted to keep the pick available for a 'name' player if one could be negotiated.
I have seen too many Fioras and Gilmours to get too giddy about draft performances before a balls been kicked, but on the surface i'm rating it an 8.
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i hope we get matt de boer :thumbsup
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I went for 9, we did very well this draft but ATM the only query i have is the McMahon/pick 19 conondrum. I really do rate Jordy but 19 was a bit over the top IMHO. If as i believe McMahon was out of contract this could have panned out even better for us.
19. Selwood
67. Gourdis
PSD 1. McMahon
We get everything we have plus Selwood
Agree totally.
I asked Miller the question at members draft night if we could have pursued Mc Mahon in the PSD and he actually said yes he could have, but wanted to keep the pick available for a 'name' player if one could be negotiated.
I have seen too many Fioras and Gilmours to get too giddy about draft performances before a balls been kicked, but on the surface i'm rating it an 8.
Alex wouldn't be the best example to use, was speculative even before being drafted
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we did very well this draft but ATM the only query i have is the McMahon/pick 19 conondrum. I really do rate Jordy but 19 was a bit over the top IMHO. If as i believe McMahon was out of contract this could have panned out even better for us.
19. Selwood
67. Gourdis
PSD 1. McMahon
We get everything we have plus Selwood
We would have had to delist one more player to use pick 67 but I agree with that bluey. The other query is why re-rookie Howat. Apart from that can't complain as the Club did very well with it's other selections :thumbsup.
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tivendale :pray ;D
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just not happy giving up Picks No.19 and No.35 ...
Good pick ups ...
question about our 3 out of 4 Rookies ...
they all turn 23 end of 2008 ... not Collard (20)
are we able to keep them after 2008 ?
if not, they only have 1 year to do something ... which frees up 3 spots at the end of 2008 ... not bad move ...
also ...
2002 Draft, we traded Pick No.28 to Essendon for Justin Blumfield ... guess who Essendon picked ?
Tristan Cartledge ...
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Alex wouldn't be the best example to use, was speculative even before being drafted
He was a first rounder though wasn't he?
At least a top 20 pick IIRC and along with the Fioras and Schulzs haven't produced what would be expected by the club.
Speculative picks (ie meaning working along with some obvious deficiencies) should be punted on 3rd or 4th rounders IMO.
We have had some success with late picks, but our history of higher picks is very ordinary.
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gilmour was completely out of left field
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That we have kept the focus on kids and players under 24-25 - we've done well
The general feel around the club is exciting and this draft has had a lot to do with it but we will have to wait and see how good these kids are. We still need to be patient - surely an interesting concept for some ;D
8 for me
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question about our 3 out of 4 Rookies ...
they all turn 23 end of 2008 ... not Collard (20)
are we able to keep them after 2008 ?
if not, they only have 1 year to do something ... which frees up 3 spots at the end of 2008 ... not bad move ...
IIRC the maximum number of years as a rookie is 3 so 2008 is Howat's last. As for the other two, Silvester and Cartledge, one of them could remain as a mature-age rookie as each club is allowed one mature-age rookie. Of course the club also has the option of promoting any or all of the three to the senior list at the end of 2008 if it wants to hold onto them for 2009.
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Alex wouldn't be the best example to use, was speculative even before being drafted
He was a first rounder though wasn't he?
At least a top 20 pick IIRC and along with the Fioras and Schulzs haven't produced what would be expected by the club.
Speculative picks (ie meaning working along with some obvious deficiencies) should be punted on 3rd or 4th rounders IMO.
We have had some success with late picks, but our history of higher picks is very ordinary.
Gilmour was pick 21 in the 2003 draft. We gained pick 20 from trading Holland and then on-traded it with pick 6 (Kepler Bradley) to get Browny.
Alex Gilmour (Tassie Mariners, draft pick 21). The Tiges traded their first two draft picks for Brown but still did a helluva lot of drafting with a bucket-load of late selections. Gilmour is a lightly-built on-baller with good skills, but as the youngest player drafted (17 years and fifty-odd days), he's a way off yet. Made senior debut for Wynyard aged 13 and comes from a huge Tiger-supporting family.
http://www.footy.com.au/dags/wrapup/wrapup-R00-team-changes.html
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just not happy giving up Picks No.19 and No.35 ...
Good pick ups ...
question about our 3 out of 4 Rookies ...
they all turn 23 end of 2008 ... not Collard (20)
are we able to keep them after 2008 ?
if not, they only have 1 year to do something ... which frees up 3 spots at the end of 2008 ... not bad move ...
also ...
2002 Draft, we traded Pick No.28 to Essendon for Justin Blumfield ... guess who Essendon picked ?
Tristan Cartledge ...
Mitch Morton for #35 is a massive win for us.
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About a 7 , still frustrating that we don't draft more untried kids in nd and rd..
Hopefully with cameron on board that will change..
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who voted 1 ;D
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Speaking to Francis Jackson a few times since the draft, we have done really well. Also spoke to him about JON and he remains very confident the young fella will make it. Have to remember he is only just older than Jack Riewoldt!
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Speaking to Francis Jackson a few times since the draft, we have done really well. Also spoke to him about JON and he remains very confident the young fella will make it. Have to remember he is only just older than Jack Riewoldt!
fantastic news. if there is one person's opinion i respect it is FJ
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who voted 1 ;D
Little Jackie ??? :rollin :rollin
Speaking to Francis Jackson a few times since the draft, we have done really well. Also spoke to him about JON and he remains very confident the young fella will make it. Have to remember he is only just older than Jack Riewoldt!
People forget how young JON is and that for the last couple of years he's been growing. Hence the stress factures last year. JON will be fine :thumbsup
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Alex wouldn't be the best example to use, was speculative even before being drafted
He was a first rounder though wasn't he?
At least a top 20 pick IIRC and along with the Fioras and Schulzs haven't produced what would be expected by the club.
Speculative picks (ie meaning working along with some obvious deficiencies) should be punted on 3rd or 4th rounders IMO.
We have had some success with late picks, but our history of higher picks is very ordinary.
Gilmour was pick 21 in the 2003 draft. We gained pick 20 from trading Holland and then on-traded it with pick 6 (Kepler Bradley) to get Browny.
Alex Gilmour (Tassie Mariners, draft pick 21). The Tiges traded their first two draft picks for Brown but still did a helluva lot of drafting with a bucket-load of late selections. Gilmour is a lightly-built on-baller with good skills, but as the youngest player drafted (17 years and fifty-odd days), he's a way off yet. Made senior debut for Wynyard aged 13 and comes from a huge Tiger-supporting family.
http://www.footy.com.au/dags/wrapup/wrapup-R00-team-changes.html
We'll get to see Gilmour again as he's playing for the Tassie Devils in the VFL next year.
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Speaking to Francis Jackson a few times since the draft, we have done really well. Also spoke to him about JON and he remains very confident the young fella will make it. Have to remember he is only just older than Jack Riewoldt!
JON is not yet 20 yoa.
Foley, Nathan 49 22yr 3mth 8 Sep 1985 177cm 77kg Geelong Falcons Midfield
Pattison, Adam 35 21yr 9mth 5 Mar 1986 197cm 99kg Northern Knights Forward
Ruck
Raines, Andrew 51 21yr 9mth 8 Mar 1986 184cm 81kg Southport Defender
Thursfield, Will 22 21yr 7mth 19 Apr 1986 191cm 83kg Sandringham Dragons Defender
Jackson, Daniel 36 21yr 7mth 25 Apr 1986 187cm 90kg Oakleigh Chargers Forward
Meyer, Danny 17 21yr 4mth 3 Aug 1986 183cm 76kg Glenelg Midfield
Polo, Dean 25 21yr 4mth 5 Aug 1986 187cm 81kg Gippsland Power Midfield
Tambling, Richard 53 21yr 3mth 12 Sep 1986 180cm 80kg Southern Districts Midfield
Hughes, Cleve 10 20yr 10mth 15 Jan 1987 193cm 93kg Norwood Forward
Morton, Mitch 12 20yr 10mth 28 Jan 1987 185cm 79kg Claremont Midfield
McGuane, Luke 16 20yr 10mth 12 Feb 1987 191cm 86kg Broadbeach Defender
White, Matthew 18 20yr 7mth 15 Apr 1987 179cm 80kg Calder Cannons Midfield
Graham, Angus 2 20yr 7mth 16 Apr 1987 200cm 96kg Calder Cannons Ruck
Deledio, Brett 62 20yr 7mth 18 Apr 1987 189cm 89kg Murray Bushrangers Midfield
Casserly, Travis 0 20yr 6mth 20 May 1987 188cm 80kg Swan Districts Midfield
Oakley-Nicholls, Jarrad 7 19yr 10mth 9 Feb 1988 188cm 81kg East Perth Midfield
Connors, Daniel 4 19yr 2mth 22 Sep 1988 184cm 80kg Bendigo Midfield
Edwards, Shane 16 19yr 1mth 25 Oct 1988 180cm 71kg Nth Adelaide Midfield
Riewoldt, Jack 8 19yr 1mth 31 Oct 1988 192cm 86kg Tassie Mariners Forward
Collins, Andrew 0 19yr 17 Nov 1988 184cm 72kg Bendigo Midfield
Collard, Clayton 1 19yr 4 Dec 1988 182cm 90kg Sth Fremantle Forward
Putt, Dean 0 18yr 8mth 10 Apr 1989 203cm 90kg Calder Cannons
Rance, Alex 0 18yr 2mth 9 Oct 1989 192cm 88kg Swan Districts Defender
Gourdis, David 0 17yr 11mth 14 Dec 1989 192cm 92kg Subiaco Forward
Cotchin, Trent 0 17yr 8mth 7 Apr 1990 185cm 80kg Northern Knights
Still a pup.
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l rekon we did really well drafting potentially good footy players not just good skinny athletes like in the past and players that fit our needs . Thats why Rance may be the best stroke of luck we've had in a long time. But l think we could of done more by getting rid of average type players who have had their fair amount of chances such as tivendale ,howat maybe even sarge and tried to pick up a few more kids :gotigers
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:birthday David Gourdis
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:birthday David Gourdis
He got his birthday present a few days before :thumbsup :birthday
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i'm rating it an 8.
Bloody brightsiders.
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i'm rating it an 8.
Bloody brightsiders.
Don't bring your damn labels over here. :blah ;)
:lol :rollin :jump
Good to see you Disco.