One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on February 25, 2008, 03:51:46 AM
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Always wanted to see the stats for the number of 22-27 year olds each side has which is the core of the playing list. Dan26 on BF has put them together.
Your Thoughts?
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2007
* Geelong had the second highest number of 22-27 year olds last year (23), with a combined 1,659 games experienced (4th highest.) Geelong won the flag.
* West Coast had the third highest number of 22-27 year olds last year (21) with a combined 1,883 games experience (highest) and they finished an unlucky 3rd.
* Sydney had nineteen 22-27 year olds with a combined 1,686 games experience (3rd highest) and finished 7th BUT with the second best percentage behind Geelong.
* Richmond had the equal least number of 22-27 year old's (13), which ended up being 12 after Coughlan's injury with a combined 869 games experience (2nd lowest) and they came last.
* Essendon had the equal lowest number of 22-27 year old's (13) with 814 games experience (last) and came 12th. Strong veterans (Hird, Fletcher, Lucas came 1,2,3 in B&F) probably saved Essendon a bit in retrospect last year.
So, there is a definate correlation there with some of those teams.
So what about 2008?
22-27 year old's in 2008 (Age as of 1st July - looks like he excluded rookies)
Fremantle - 23.....(1550 games of experience)
Geelong - 22........(1698 games of experience)
St.Kilda - 21........(1562 games of experience)
Kangaroos - 21.....(1500 games of experience)
West Coast - 19..... (1636 games of experience)
Hawthorn - 19.......(1265 games of experience)
Carlton - 19.........(1419 games of experience)
Brisbane - 18.......(1152 games of experience)
Adelaide - 17....... (921 games of experience)
Essendon - 17...... (1116 games of experience)
Port - 16 ........... (1129 games of experience)
Sydney - 16 ........(1140 games of experience)
Bulldogs - 16 ........(1248 games of experience)
Richmond - 15 .......(942 games of experience)
Collingwood - 12..... (1119 games of experience)
16. Richmond
15 players who are 22-27 (the second least, just ahead of the Pies.) 6 players 28 or older and 13 players 21 or younger with senior experience, which is the 2nd most in the AFL behind Collingwood. They have a reasonable mix actually. The question is simply a matter of quality. The 6 veterans are Tivendale, Simmonds, Bowden, Johnson, N.Brown and Richo. Are the first four going to win them any games? Too young overall and not enough quality.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=416862
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And some people wonder why Geelong is daylight ahead of us.
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It's not only that we have so few players in this age bracket, it's the players themselfs.
Only Cogs, Newman, Pettifer, Tuck are player from 23-27 we hae drafted and look like developing into respectable AFL standard footballers.
Hyde, Moore, Schultz types are the reason we finshed last.
Polak, McMahon, King, Silvester, Howat, Cartlege are players the club has needed to take in to fil that void.
10 years of poo drafting/trading/coaching.
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:rollin :rollin
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who cares.
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who cares.
Some of us who understand "development" care.
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who cares.
Some of us who understand "development" care.
Thats the problem at the RFC , they havent been able to develop players,
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who cares.
Some of us who understand "development" care.
Thats the problem at the RFC , they havent been able to develop players,
Again name the lack of development and proof that all other clubs do it better.
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who cares.
FACTS
They really do get in the way sometimes dont they :rollin
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who cares.
Some of us who understand "development" care.
Thats the problem at the RFC , they havent been able to develop players,
Again name the lack of development and proof that all other clubs do it better.
Well lets start,
1/ Richard Tambling. If he doesnt have a good year this year, lets ee what happens.
And lets turn the hands of time back shell we.
Marc Dragicevic ( even before he did his knee)
David Rodan, couldnt get the best out of David.
Martin McGarth ::)
Jay Schulz( yeah he has really developed hasnt he ::)
Tim Flemming
Alex Gilmour ::)
Tom Roach
Brent hartigan
Dean Limbach
JON ::) ::) ::) ::)
Cleve Hughes( Played 2nds at Coburg last year, now thats development
Casserley ??? I dont know where he is at.
Now where is Danny Meyer, anyone seen him ::)
If you want , i will go through every clubs young players, I will start with Hawthorn if you want, as they as so far advanced than us its a joke
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Why don't you start with Essendon?
You know, those fantasticly developed youngsters who our no good developed youngsters kicked the @rses of in round 21 last year in a game that meant so much to their club.
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Why don't you start with Essendon?
You know, those fantasticly developed youngsters who our no good developed youngsters kicked the @rses of in round 21 last year in a game that meant so much to their club.
By memory, it was Lloyd and Hird who let the bombers down after half time.
And it was Richmond run and carry out of defence that won the game, Bowden and Raines by memory.
If you want, i will go and grab the tape an have a look
Which of our developed youngsters do you want me to look for.??
JON ? Hughes ? I will have to find a coburg tape then
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Martin McGarth ::)
You are being funny again :rollin :rollin
Are you seriously saying it is the RFC fault that Marty McGarth is no longer playing AFL footy ??? Marty doesn't need to take some responsibility for his lack of comittment and and professionalism
In the immortal words of JP McEnroe - YOU CAN'T BE SERIOUS
;D
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Martin McGarth ::)
You are being funny again :rollin :rollin
Are you seriously saying it is the RFC fault that Marty McGarth is no longer playing AFL footy ??? Marty doesn't need to take some responsibility for his lack of comittment and and professionalism
In the immortal words of JP McEnroe - YOU CAN'T BE SERIOUS
;D
On a serious note, yes.
The club knows what can happen taking players from other states and putting them in a different world. And I am aware of the full story in this case, as well as Alex Gilmour and others.
Żes, the club is too balme. They are only kids earning a huge salary
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On a serious note, yes.
The club knows what can happen taking players from other states and putting them in a different world. And I am aware of the full story in this case, as well as Alex Gilmour and others.
Żes, the club is too balme. They are only kids earning a huge salary
The Club is solely to blame ? ??? Give me a break.
So how do you explain the others who are on huge salaries not going down the Marty McGarth path?
Let me guess - that's got nothing to do with the Club. That's got everything to do with the with the kids themselves.
Can't have it both ways
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Which of our developed youngsters do you want me to look for.??
JON ? Hughes ? I will have to find a coburg tape then
Ashley Hansen was playing WAFL reserves in his 2nd year on West Coast's list.
How do you reckon his development went or does your spin on development get more than 2 years at other clubs but not at Richmond?
You say Tippett was injured as though it's a positive yet for Meyer and Casserly it's a negative. ???
Tippett may well be a star. What has he done so far though in his zero games that makes you pump him up?
(Mark Pitura starred in the 93 pre-season comp).
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$$$$ nothing to do with it.
How can you explain then, McGarth, Gilmour and Petersen not having a career at punt road ??
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Which of our developed youngsters do you want me to look for.??
JON ? Hughes ? I will have to find a coburg tape then
Ashley Hansen was playing WAFL reserves in his 2nd year on West Coast's list.
How do you reckon his development went or does your spin on development get more than 2 years at other clubs but not at Richmond?
You say Tippett was injured as though it's a positive yet for Meyer and Casserly it's a negative. ???
Tippett may well be a star. What has he done so far though in his zero games that makes you pump him up?
(Mark Pitura starred in the 95 pre-season comp).
If you beleive that Danny Meyer is the future for the RFC, good luck!
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$$$$ nothing to do with it.
How can you explain then, McGarth, Gilmour and Petersen not having a career at punt road ??
Jack I agree they are on huge money
But you said
On a serious note, yes.
The club knows what can happen taking players from other states and putting them in a different world. And I am aware of the full story in this case, as well as Alex Gilmour and others.
Żes, the club is too balme. They are only kids earning a huge salary
You cannot blame the CLub solely for the likes of Marty McGarth or Alex Gilmour no longer being on an AFL list. A club can only do so much and each individual needs to take some responsibility for their behaviour. They didn't and they got the stuff. Alex Gilmour was given the option of remaining at the Club with a guarantee of being rookied and he chose not to take the offer - was that the Clubs fault? No that was Gilmour's choice
As for Carl Peterson and I posted this on another thread - how would you or anyone else know what happened with him when you yourself admit that you are no longer at the Club. Another of your independant observers perhaps?
I will repeat - the 3 people you mention need to take some responsbility of their actions and accept that they themselves contributed to their own de-listings.
IMHO Jack for you to apportion ALL BLAME solely the RFC shows how biased you are in your negatvity to the Club
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All clubs including Richmond have a responsiblity to look after players.
Too draft players to a foreign state and home and not have them play a game or have a short career, the clubs have too take some blame if not all
Interesting article by Caro about the kid from geelong who walked out.
The club said tha they would of handled things differently today
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If you beleive that Danny Meyer is the future for the RFC, good luck!
That's not what I said.
I was pointing out inconsistencies about how you judge Richmond players compared to players of other clubs.
One thing you are consistent about is if anyone bags the club, no matter how much crap it is, you'll "agree 100%" or "totally agree". Facts don't matter, just the bagging.
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The club is solely to blame
They President & the board are the decision makers. who do you's think are running the club
they made many bad choices on recruiting, coaching & development & are paying dearly for there mistakes
it could take another 40 years to win another premiership or even another 10 to make the finals from years of bad judgements
Look at Melbourne, St-Kilda, Western Bulldogs, still suffering & not even close yet & some of you think we be playing finals in 2011
l dont think so
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Why don't you start with Essendon?
You know, those fantasticly developed youngsters who our no good developed youngsters kicked the @rses of in round 21 last year in a game that meant so much to their club.
By memory, it was Lloyd and Hird who let the bombers down after half time.
And it was Richmond run and carry out of defence that won the game, Bowden and Raines by memory.
If you want, i will go and grab the tape an have a look
Which of our developed youngsters do you want me to look for.??
JON ? Hughes ? I will have to find a coburg tape then
:rollin @ FF
Hird and Lloyd were ranked in the bombers' best 5 that night.
Patto had more disposals and hitouts than Hille.
Lids kicked butt.
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Hird and Lloyd were judged by the media and not me.
Review of the game was that they put no defensive pressure on Richmonds backs thus the rebound and run and carry by the tiges.
Cant say much more.
The media know more than the club
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The media know more than the club
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All clubs including Richmond have a responsiblity to look after players.
Too draft players to a foreign state and home and not have them play a game or have a short career, the clubs have too take some blame if not all
So which is it? Some blame or all blame :banghead.
Agree clubs have a responsibility to look after players but fair dinkum they cannot monitor them 24 hours a day 7 days a week. Using your logic it would seem it is the fault of the WCE that Ben Cousins has a drug problem, the fault of the MFC & and Freo that Jeff Farmer has over the years gone around belting people, the fault of the Pies that Didak cannot handle drinking.... want me to go on
Marty McGarth is no longer on an AFL list because he would not give the comittment needed to his employer, examples turning up to training either late or in some cases when he felt like it, if at all. And you're saying this is all the Club's fault... MArty shouldn't take some of the responsibility or as you call it blame?
I'd love to work for you Jack becuase using you argument I could turn up to work when I liked, not do anything for the day but sit around reading the newspaper and it wouldn't have anything to do with me, the blame would lie solely with my employer because my behaviour irresponsible or otherwise would be their responsibility not mine. ::) ::)
Where do I sign?
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When introducing a young person into an adults world, it is the responsabilty of the employer to ensure that they are educated and given correct induction programs to ensure they understand their requirements of employment.
In football terms, its the club responsabilty to have proper housing arrangements, and to have supervision to ensure the employees(players) dont go off the rails.
By the way, I have 22 direct reports in my place of employment and an induction program that esnures all employees work to a satisfactory standard.
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When introducing a young person into an adults world, it is the responsabilty of the employer to ensure that they are educated and given correct induction programs to ensure they understand their requirements of employment.
In football terms, its the club responsabilty to have proper housing arrangements, and to have supervision to ensure the employees(players) dont go off the rails.
And the reality is whether you want to admit it or not is that despite all these programs and arrangements some players still go off the rails - to borrow your favourite phrase - FACT!
As I've said you cannot watch them 24/7 ::)
By the way, I have 22 direct reports in my place of employment and an induction program that esnures all employees work to a satisfactory standard.
And that is still no guarantee that they are all going to the right thing by their employer and if they don't I am sure you sack 'em
Please don't tell me you haven't had one emplyee in your time that hasn't turned out to be a dud
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A few actually., but my employees arent elite sporting people at the higher end are they
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A few actually., but my employees arent elite sporting people at the higher end are they
but the operative word is "Employee"
Respective industries are irrelevant Jak.
lol
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Żes, the club is too balme.
Oh yes, the other balme ......
I think his name is Craig (not Neil)
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Żes, the club is too balme.
Oh yes, the other balme ......
I think his name is Craig (not Neil)
Blame ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Żes, the club is too balme.
Oh yes, the other balme ......
I think his name is Craig (not Neil)
Blame ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Hook
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Żes, the club is too balme.
Oh yes, the other balme ......
I think his name is Craig (not Neil)
Blame ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Hook
Line
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Żes, the club is too balme.
Oh yes, the other balme ......
I think his name is Craig (not Neil)
Blame ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Hook
Line
Sinker
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Another quality retort from you lonestare
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Another quality retort from you lonestare
Jackstar, sunshine