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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on April 29, 2008, 04:10:09 AM
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Dees head list for Freo ruckman
Jake Niall | April 29, 2008
Warnock's management yesterday confirmed that the ruckman had put off contract talks with Fremantle until the end of the season — a sign that the Dockers might have a fight on their hands to retain the 206-centimetre Warnock.
Warnock, 21, showed considerable promise in his debut season last year when Aaron Sandilands was absent due to injury, but has played only two senior games in 2008, with the Dockers opting to play just one specialist ruckman in most games.
Melbourne, Richmond and Carlton are among the clubs understood to have expressed interest in Warnock, who played 12 games in 2007 and was given Fremantle's award for best new player.
Richmond's interest in Warnock also is not surprising, given that its No. 1 follower, Troy Simmonds, turns 30 this year and has been hampered by injury over the past 12 months.
Full article at:
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/dees-head-list-for-freo-ruckman/2008/04/28/1209234761405.html
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Any other club I'd say no because they'd try to rip us off, but helloooooo Freeeeeo. :D
Let's see what deal we can squeeze out of them, Warnock would be very handy at the right price.
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Warnock can play and is the "type" we need in the ruck. He satisfies the 200cm+ ruck we need. It will come down to what we have to give in return as to whether or not its worth it in the end.
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Let's start playing Petts again, make sure he kicks 3-4 a game and give him a top 3 finish in the B&F and we have a straight swap!
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Any other club I'd say no because they'd try to rip us off, but helloooooo Freeeeeo. :D
Let's see what deal we can squeeze out of them, Warnock would be very handy at the right price.
we got Graham, Putt, Patto, Gourdis, but a 206 cm Giant :thumbsup
but wait this is a good chance to offload Coughlan ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :P :P :P
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Let's start playing Petts again, make sure he kicks 3-4 a game and give him a top 3 finish in the B&F and we have a straight swap!
Wouldn't that be a great tandem forward line - Tarrant and Pettifer!!!
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Chris Tarrant is finished ;D his been put on notice by the club some weeks ago, just a little whisper
forgot about Petticoat ;D they can have Cogs & Petticoat for Warnock thats a great deal for them & we get a gaint
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Let's start playing Petts again, make sure he kicks 3-4 a game and give him a top 3 finish in the B&F and we have a straight swap!
i like ur thinking wayne.
goodbye pathetic petts. say hi to tarrant for me!!
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Chris Tarrant is finished ;D his been put on notice by the club some weeks ago, just a little whisper
forgot about Petticoat ;D they can have Cogs & Petticoat for Warnock thats a great deal for them & we get a gaint
whats wrong with him TM.
he is such a sook. doesnt like melbourne, goes over there. doesn't like freo wants to come back.
id say his career is all but finished, howev er i heard cameron scwabb on sen say he had a family tragedy, thats why he is out of sorts. who knows!!
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Chris Tarrant is finished ;D his been put on notice by the club some weeks ago, just a little whisper
forgot about Petticoat ;D they can have Cogs & Petticoat for Warnock thats a great deal for them & we get a gaint
whats wrong with him TM.
he is such a sook. doesnt like melbourne, goes over there. doesn't like freo wants to come back.
id say his career is all but finished, howev er i heard cameron scwabb on sen say he had a family tragedy, thats why he is out of sorts. who knows!!
l'm not commenting on his personal life, its not mine to say.
l'm purely mentioning from what l been told about his football career
Harvs is not one bit happy with him & his attitude to his football
if it was personal l'm sure the club would give him time off & not not have him running the WAFL
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Any other club I'd say no because they'd try to rip us off, but helloooooo Freeeeeo. :D
Let's see what deal we can squeeze out of them, Warnock would be very handy at the right price.
Pettifer - anyone ??
Now that Medhurst is starting to perform at another club, they may just want an experienced HFF.
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Warnock is playing WAFL so Freo can't ask for too much especially as he can just walk. Get Simmo and Polly to have a quiet word with him about how good it is at Tigerland after leaving Freo and then hopefully Warnock will choose us as he's preferred club at the end of the season.
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:pray
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since we seem to be improving and we wont be getting Natanui or Rich my shopping list for the Tiges in November now consists of
1) Robert Warnock in a trade from Freo
2) Michael Hurley or Jackson Trengrove as our 1st round pick (Hurley preferred)
3) Michael Walters, Sam Blease and Mitch Banner all at Tigerland lol to add to our midfield.
Thanx ;D
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Warnock, yes please. Very exciting young ruck prospect. 200+, fantastic mobility and hands below his knees. On a side note, Hartlett or Swift would be a very nice addition to our young midfield. Both very good and hard at it midfield types.
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whilst we r on the topic of ruckman i just heard a interview with brad ottens saying he is ready to resume against the tigers.
well surprise blood.y surprise its like we always seem to welcome someone back when a team is about to play us
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Warnock, yes please. Very exciting young ruck prospect. 200+, fantastic mobility and hands below his knees.
Showed he has good hands at ground level for a big guy again tonight although he's still raw and doesn't get big stats yet. Going on a long forced holiday too for that hit on Ball.
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Warnock, yes please. Very exciting young ruck prospect. 200+, fantastic mobility and hands below his knees.
Showed he has good hands at ground level for a big guy again tonight although he's still raw and doesn't get big stats yet. Going on a long forced holiday too for that hit on Ball.
His report and likely suspension has more than likely secured his departure from Freo come the end of the season after a couple of inconsistent and unsettling years footy wise in Perth MT.
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Warnock, yes please. Very exciting young ruck prospect. 200+, fantastic mobility and hands below his knees.
Showed he has good hands at ground level for a big guy again tonight although he's still raw and doesn't get big stats yet. Going on a long forced holiday too for that hit on Ball.
Not sure if he'll go for that, the contact ended up pretty minor
He could go for charging, but Ball did most of the damage when he ended up headbutting his knee
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Not sure if he'll go for that, the contact ended up pretty minor
He could go for charging, but Ball did most of the damage when he ended up headbutting his knee
It was more clumsy than intentional but it didn't look good though as it was late and Ball was KOed by the collision. He was out before he hit the ground and his chin hit his knee.
His report and likely suspension has more than likely secured his departure from Freo come the end of the season after a couple of inconsistent and unsettling years footy wise in Perth MT.
Yep it gives us a chance of getting him although the price may be too high for us to pay given we'll finish 12th or higher and Melbourne where his brother plays is in a far stronger position to grab him with first pick in the PSD plus a priority pick at 17. Melbourne currently has picks 1, 17 and 21 compared to our 6 and 26.
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Tigers target Mundy as Victorian Dockers delay talks
Digby Beacham | June 21, 2008
RICHMOND has identified out-of-contract Fremantle defender David Mundy as a key recruiting target.
And the Tigers, conscious of strengthening a list that is almost certain to miss the finals for the fourth consecutive year under Terry Wallace's reign, continue to express strong interest in gifted young ruckman Robert Warnock.
Victorian trio Mundy, Warnock and key forward Ryan Murphy have deferred contract talks with Fremantle until the end of the season.
It is understood that the Tigers, who last played finals football in 2001, want to entice established, young talent to Punt Road, either through the trade period or in the pre-season draft.
Richmond's football director, Greg Miller, did not return calls.
Anthony McConville, the manager of both Mundy and Murphy, revealed last month that all talks had been postponed. Yesterday he said nothing had changed.
"We will be putting all discussions on hold until the season has finished," McConville said.
McConville said Fremantle had been in regular contact in a bid to re-ignite talks over Mundy, a second-round draft selection in the 2003 national draft who has played every game this year for a total of 77.
"We have had regular contact with (commercial operations manager) Steve Rosich, Mark Harvey and the Fremantle Football Club," McConville said.
Mundy, who will turn 23 next month, has also attracted interest from Hawthorn, but the premiership contenders are not expected to be in a strong position to trade for him.
Warnock, in the final year of a three-season deal, disclosed late last week that he rejected a new deal from Fremantle, which is desperate to keep him. Warnock, the brother of Melbourne key defender Matthew, has been disappointed at spending most of this season in the WAFL.
"You don't want to be over here to play WAFL. Obviously playing AFL does make it a lot easier (to stay)," he said.
"I played all right in the West Coast game and the week after that was Richmond and we got fairly well beaten.
"They had to make a few changes and I was unfortunately one of them and had to go back to WAFL and try to earn my stripes again. It has been frustrating."
The contracts of a number Fremantle players expire on October 31, including: Mundy, Warnock, Murphy, Jeff Farmer, Josh Carr, Dean Solomon, Peter Bell, Paul Duffield, Andrew Foster, Brock O'Brien, Andrew Browne, Scott Thornton, Shaun McManus and Luke Webster.
Veterans Heath Black and Mark Johnson are contracted until the end of 2009.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/tigers-target-mundy/2008/06/20/1213770927636.html
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we dont need mundy
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Definitely would only want Mundy in the PSD, not trade for him
Warnock would be a good pickup in a trade, if we're going for a ruck with our 2nd selection anuway then it could be pretty good to use it to get someone who's still got 10+ years left in him and is already playing well at AFL level.
Hopefully we can get away with 3rd round and a player, but I doubt Freo would accept it
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Mundy would be the only non-ruckman in the league that is slower than Kane Johnson. Glaciers move faster than him. Pass.
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I'm not sold on Mundy - just not sure if he'll add that much to our side. Actually didn't realise he was that tall -he's 192cm according to the freo website. He's turning 23 so we're going to get 6-7 years out of him if we get him.
I'm going to remain luke-warm on the idea until I find out what we give up for him. He & Warnock are out of contract so they won't be in a position to bargain. I can't see us landing 'em both unless we give up a 1st rounder and I'm loath to do that.
Would really prefer Warnock if we had to choose between the two.
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I'm sure a lot of it is just the player manager trying to raise the contract prices of his clients
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Warnock yep
Mundy nup
That boofhead from BF dissapeared these days , amazing he hasn't started a palmer >>> lids thread :wallywink
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Same as others - pass on Mundy unless we got him for 'free' in the PSD. Why trade for another flanker when we need a ruckman or KPP instead ???. Mundy won't solve our deficiencies.
That boofhead from BF dissapeared these days , amazing he hasn't started a palmer >>> lids thread :wallywink
Yeah whatever happened to Pav_4_AA or whatever that clown's name was :rollin.
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We should not be trading picks for players. Simple as that. Have we not learnt our lesson from the Gieschen Frawley and Wallace tenures. Please pick up a kid and let the scrap rust in the junkyard.
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We should not be trading picks for players. Simple as that. Have we not learnt our lesson from the Gieschen Frawley and Wallace tenures. Please pick up a kid and let the scrap rust in the junkyard.
Agree. Let's develop our own. Only trade superfluous players for drafts picks otherwise send Miller on vacation during trade week so we don't stupidly give up our top picks.
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Another half back flanker? :scream :scream :scream :scream :scream :banghead
No thanks.
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A way bit early for speculative trade talk but anyway, if we ended up at the end of the season with say picks 6, 24, 40, 56, ..., would you do the trade if it was pick 24 for Warnock with Freo and say Port still wanted Schulz for pick 39, leaving us with Warnock but only one pick in the top 35: picks 6, 39, 40, 56?
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I would only do the Warnock trade for a 3rd rounder. Hes not worth anything more at this stage.
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Miller will save his best work come season's end.
Watch him trade away our picks...
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Miller will save his best work come season's end.
Watch him trade away our picks...
Absolutely. Marshmallow man is thinking of trading our first rounder to the club that gets him a packet of twisties first. :lol :rollin :lol
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Miller denied the Mundy talk today. He said the journo who wrote the story never spoke to him.
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Freo says it wants to hang onto Warnock and "will not let the talent it has nurtured over the last few seasons leave easily." But their CEO also says they are "aiming for a certain number of picks in the first three rounds."
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Rosich to reinvigorate Dockers list
West Australian | 24th July 2008, 17:15 WST
With a revamp of the club’s playing list on his mind, new Fremantle CEO Steve Rosich has targeted the first three rounds of this year’s national draft as the key to the Dockers’ on-field fortunes.
Rosich was formally announced by the club as the successor to Victoria-bound Cameron Schwab this afternoon and was keen to discuss his strategy to take the club forward.
With Fremantle’s off-field position healthy, thanks largely to the work of Schwab in recent years, Rosich will focus his attention on the football department.
And that means changes to the club’s playing stocks with a keen eye towards youth.
While not ruling out the possibility of trading players or draft picks to build a stronger list, Rosich said that the tactic so-often used by the club in the past is not a part of the current plan.
The Dockers hierarchy has been derided in the past for poor performances during trade week and at the draft table and they are keen to get things right this time around.
Rosich made the point that draft picks take on extra significance this year, with concessions set to be handed out to the new Gold Coast and western Sydney franchises in coming seasons.
“We’ll certainly be aiming for a certain number of picks in the first three rounds,” Rosich said.
“I don’t think you (rule out trading draft picks) under any circumstances, but certainly our strategy at this point in time is to retain all of our picks in the first three rounds.”
The club is also keen to retain what Rosich described as “required players”, including young Victorian ruckman Robert Warnock, despite several stars attracting attention from opposition clubs.
Rosich has been hard at work with senior members of the football department over the last few months and was a key negotiator in the deals which saw Matthew Pavlich, Aaron Sandilands and Luke McPharlin re-sign with the club.
Some player are being touted as ‘trade bait’ and could be used to secure more early round draft picks for Fremantle, but the club will not let the talent it has nurtured over the last few seasons leave easily.
“At this point in time we’re working through a process of retaining all of our required players that are likely to attract reasonably high draft picks,” Rosich said.
“So, no, we’ll go into the draft with the picks we get from where we finish (on the ladder).
“Rob’s (Warnock) a young and talented player and we’re working through a process at the moment that will hopefully see him stay at the Fremantle Football Club.”
Rosich avoided saying that the club’s recruitment policy had been flawed in the past, but said the focus is firmly on youth this time around.
“You certainly look back and learn from the past,” Rosich said.
“Our stuff that we’ll be setting going forward in the immediate future is to reinvigorate the list via the national draft.
“That’s what we’ll be doing.”
The policy of injecting youth into the squad should be music to the ears of most Fremantle fans, who have endured another tough season in 2008.
http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=12&ContentID=86892
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Looks like it's down to us, Dees and the Blues for Warnock according to the Herald-Sun. Another long-term deal?
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Going to cost too much now. Move on to another target....
Cannot offer a long term contract to an unproven player. That would be ludicrous...
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One of our big problems going forward is how we replace Richardson, Brown, Simmonds, Johnson and Bowden.
Johnson & Bowden wont be hard to replace, Simmonds will be harder, but replacing the superduo will be very very hard indeed.
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They were always going to be because we had no one of that quality coming through who would be hitting their peak now. We had to start from scratch. The club has a lot of faith in Gus making it as a ruckman. The issue is, even if they are right, will Simmo be able to continue at his current form for 2-3 more years to give Gus more time to develop. Rucks don't really mature until their mid 20s. Richo is Richo. There's no one like him. The team will have to base itself around multiple tall options instead.
As for Warnock yep with 3 clubs interested and competing for him then that will push up his price big time.
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Warnock has injured his shoulder and is out for the season after going in for surgery.
http://afl.com.au/News/NEWSARTICLE/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=64562
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Talk out of WA is that RFC have cooled as a direct result of Miller's departure as apparently 2nd round is off the table, and Freo looking for more than 3rd round and "fringe" player.
MFC is in the box seat seat due to the PSD, however Warnock does not want to see Freo empty handed.
RFC may need to get involved in another 3 way trade deal to get Robbie on the books.
Warnock is heading back to Melbourne for recovery after the surgery and is said to be packing the boxes in anticipation of moving on.
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I heard today that Kingy may be offered up as trade bait at years end. The story goes that he was told this weeks a go which he was not particularly impressed by.
I think we need a player like warnock but not at any expense.
Stripes
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I heard today that Kingy may be offered up as trade bait at years end. The story goes that he was told this weeks a go which he was not particularly impressed by.
I think we need a player like warnock but not at any expense.
Stripes
That doesn't make sense at all.
he is a great little player. Cant be true. Id say get rid of schulz b4 kingy
Miller has gone now and after bringing us mcmahon i really dont want any more rejects.
lets start developing our own and spend all our money on that area of our club.
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I heard today that Kingy may be offered up as trade bait at years end. The story goes that he was told this weeks a go which he was not particularly impressed by.
I think we need a player like warnock but not at any expense.
Stripes
we must trade king. he just does not have what it takes. sure he has attitude and tries hard, but so did fleming. fabts are king is too small, if he was as good as foley the story would be different, but we have played our best footy without him him defence.
king should be proud and happy he was given a chance but facts are facts, he is just a good vfl player. smart forwards expose him and take him to teh square and opposition let him run because more often then not he just buggers up by running into trouble.
imo, king gone/traded and raines also. whe have plenty better than those 2 who will help us progress further
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I heard today that Kingy may be offered up as trade bait at years end. The story goes that he was told this weeks a go which he was not particularly impressed by.
I think we need a player like warnock but not at any expense.
Stripes
Is that rumour based on the other rumour that's been posted on here about a month ago? The 'not particulary impressed' part coming first and as a result he's going to get the stuff.
I'd find it strange a player would be told midseason that he is going to be traded. Kingy's not in Tivs' situation who knows his time is up.
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The Age still has us one of 3 clubs connected to Warnock
Warnock is considered the more likely to return home, with Melbourne, Carlton and Richmond heading the list of club vying for his services. The Demons have the advantage of premium (pre-season) draft position, while Carlton has a strong connection via football operations manager Stephen Icke, who has a longstanding relationship with Warnock's parents.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/hawks-interested-in-roo/2008/08/13/1218307010855.html
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Ch 10 news showed Wallace saying today we are looking out for another ruckman and so Warnock will be one on our radar.
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The Age still has us one of 3 clubs connected to Warnock
Warnock is considered the more likely to return home, with Melbourne, Carlton and Richmond heading the list of club vying for his services. The Demons have the advantage of premium (pre-season) draft position, while Carlton has a strong connection via football operations manager Stephen Icke, who has a longstanding relationship with Warnock's parents.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/hawks-interested-in-roo/2008/08/13/1218307010855.html
Yep, it looks like the Tiges are going after him.
Gaddy said on FC last night that the pre season draft pick is there and that's what it will be used for. Well I know Freo have made some stupid mistakes over the years, but I don't think they will be giving him away for nothing. As it stands we might have to upgrade our 2nd rd pick for him, our current one which sits around 24 or 25 might be a bit short of what's required.
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Would rather just take Vickery with our first selection
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With so many clubs interested I can see us getting Warnock without paying over the odds for him = needing to give up our first round pick. The only thing we will do is force Melbourne to have to trade something decent for Warnock rather than just picking him up for free in the PSD.
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Wallace confirms that Tigers will chase Warnock
Lyall Johnson | August 20, 2008
RICHMOND coach Terry Wallace yesterday flagged the club's interest in pursuing Fremantle giant Robert Warnock.
The 206-centimetre, 21-year-old Docker, who was drafted in 2005 from Sandringham under 18s but has played only 21 games, is out of contract this season and has indicated he wants to return home.
The Tigers, with Troy Simmonds playing a lone hand in the ruck while Adam Pattison and former Bomber Tristan Cartledge develop, are in desperate need of another tall centre-square option.
Fremantle is trying to hold Warnock, with coach Mark Harvey yesterday lashing out at Melbourne for making a presentation to the player last week. "I thought it was an interesting tactic," Harvey said. "I don't think he (Warnock) has been affected by what appears to be an ambush."
Wallace said yesterday he was certain the Tigers would talk to Warnock about the possibility of coming to Punt Road.
"He's a big boy, he's a big lad. And he's a Melbourne-based boy who looks clearly like he's coming back to Melbourne," Wallace said. "Of course, from a recruiting perspective, we'd be in the marketplace.
"My job at this time of the year is to concentrate on the last two games of the season and let the recruiting boys do what they need to do. I don't like to get clouded between the two at this stage of the year but we probably are looking for another ruckman, so he'd be on our radar."
Warnock visited Demon headquarters last Thursday after accepting an invitation from former Dockers coach Chris Connolly, now Melbourne football operations manager.
But when Warnock arrived, Connolly, Melbourne coach Dean Bailey and a group of players clad in suits were there to greet him, armed with a powerpoint presentation in their bid to entice him to the club.
The in-demand Warnock, whose brother plays at Melbourne, could command about $1 million over the next three years on the open market, with a number of Victorian clubs expected to bid for his services.
The Demons, who are almost certain to finish last, could snare Warnock without trading for him via the pre-season draft.
Fremantle chief executive Steve Rosich is expected to talk with Warnock and his manager Colin Young over the coming weeks about a new deal.
Warnock, who had season-ending shoulder surgery after round 17, managed only nine games this year, spending most of the first half of the season battling for form in the WAFL.
"Robbie's a required player and in the end, that will be his decision about what he wants to do," Harvey said.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/tigers-will-chase-warnock/2008/08/19/1218911718259.html
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Raines or Oakley Nicholls for Warnock swaight swap.
Fair deal for both clubs I would have thought..
If we pay any more than that the recruiters should be shot. Dead....
Seriously, what has Warnock done other than being 206cm tall.
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$330k a year for a 21 year old that has played 20 games and showed eff all?
FFS Richmond, don't you bloody dare. :banghead
We're paying Cartledge, Graham and Patto as reasonable money as young ruckman why pay over the odds in trade and salary for a player who has shown nothing more?
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$330k a year for a 21 year old that has played 20 games and showed eff all?
FFS Richmond, don't you bloody dare. :banghead
We're paying Cartledge, Graham and Patto as reasonable money as young ruckman why pay over the odds in trade and salary for a player who has shown nothing more?
I agree. You would hope that there is a bit of 'behind the scenes' play going on here, maybe trying to get Melb to pay top dollar and take them out of some other trading equation that we have planned?
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Jeff White I'm told.... :thumbsup
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Jeff White I'm told.... :thumbsup
With a severe reduction in salary and picked up with a late PSD pick it would be a better option than Warnock but I'd prefer neither by far.
We already have 4-5 ruckman on our list. How many do we want!~?
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Does anyone know what pick he was in the draft?
Patto and Raines to freo.
warnock to the tigers.
done deal.
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Does anyone know what pick he was in the draft?
Patto and Raines to freo.
warnock to the tigers.
done deal.
Ah, looked it up today, and from memory it was pick 42 in the 2005 draft.
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Warnock is one of the few ruckmen Iv'e seen run with Cox and hold his own, he has enormous upside but giving our 1st pick for a ruckman is is a huge query, going into what is a soft draft, not on talent or class but physically soft, with only 2 boys who will have any real impact at AFL level next year. Rich will go 1 or 2 out of our reach the other Hartlett falls well in our scope. Think Patto does a good job and will get better, Putt has been super impressive this year and is an outstanding prospect, Symmo is a young 30 and will have another good year in 2009, think if there was no pressure on the coaches or footy dept to hold their jobs we would keep our 1st draft pick
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Fremantle will now be hoping young ruckman Robbie Warnock will stay. Melbourne, Carlton, Richmond and St Kilda are waiting to pounce on the 206cm emerging star if he opts to leave Fremantle. Warnock will attract offers of up to $500,000 a year if he goes on the open market.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24268000-19742,00.html
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Ridiculous.
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Crap.
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Certainly not worth that money at this stage.
Too much risk involved. He is not proven and could only turn out to be an average player.
Much rather keep developing Putty and pick up someone like Jeff White on a base contract for a year or two.
In addition to this we could also rookie another ruckman.
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We need something in the way of a ruckman because Graham is a dud
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500k u got to be joking. what was this guy drafted at again, like 20 or 30 was it.
I agree with a poster who suggested White on a 1-2 year contract. We can get him for nothing and play him alongside Simmo while the other rucks develop
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Warnock was drafted at pick 42 in the 2005 draft. Some decent 3rd round picks in that draft it's turned out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_AFL_Draft
I think a bit of wishful thinking that a young ruckman who's played just 12 games will get $500k no matter how much he is wanted.
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Hypothetcially...
If we go for Warnock, what happens to A. Graham
Could we afford to have 3 developing ruckman on our list at one time ???
(NB the 3 would be Warnock, Graham & Putt)
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I guess using the Brisbane model you can never have too many ruckmen and thanks to the bigger centre circle limiting ruckman run ups at centre bounces very tall ruckman (203cm+) have become valuable. As good as Simmo is he is shortish for a modern ruckman as is Patto (both 197cm). That's why we don't win the hitouts. Gus is 200cm and Putt is the tallest at 202cm. If we delist Cartledge and don't replace him then we'll be one ruckman less in 2009 than this year. Clubs are chasing Warnock because he's 22, 205cm, agile for footballer of that height, and about to enter his 4th year.
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Denham in the Australian still has us chasing Warnock ...
An AFL investigation into Melbourne's conduct in making advances to Fremantle ruckman Robert Warnock remains unresolved.
AFL general manager of football operations Adrian Anderson ordered the probe after the Demons football department and several players entertained the out-of-contract Warnock last month, before the Dockers' season had finished.
Warnock, who is expected to make a decision on his future this week, is also being sought by Carlton and Richmond, who like Melbourne, have offered him more playing time than the Dockers.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24321649-5012432,00.html
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Freo coach jittery about Warnock
By Justin Chadwick
2:02 PM Wed 10 September, 2008
FREMANTLE coach Mark Harvey has conceded he has done everything possible to convince Robert Warnock to remain at the club and says the ball is now in the ruckman's court.
http://www.afl.com.au/News/NEWSARTICLE/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=67426
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He's told Freo he wants to come home for personal reasons.
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Yep he's told Freo he wants to be traded so he can come back to Melbourne according to SEN.
Now the wheeling and dealing begins. The Dees and even the Blues still have a better chance of getting him than we do. Pick 26 won't cut it and in no circumstances should we trade our first pick away.
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Will demand too much money, PASS
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Ch 10 sport report said us, Dees and Blues will now ramp up the bidding and Warnock can expect to receive top dollar despite only playing 21 games so far.
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thats stuffed.
top dollar for who???? whats his friggen name?
lets put it into perspective we are bidding close to 500k per year, for a guy who has played 21 games.
no wonder we are a joke. keep the picks and save ur cash FFS.
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Mods
Can we do something about the bad language used by some posters?
Happy to read and (mainly ignore) the rantings of some posters but the blatant avoidance of the swear filter should not be ignored.
'65
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Mods
Can we do something about the bad language used by some posters?
Happy to read and (mainly ignore) the rantings of some posters but the blatant avoidance of the swear filter should not be ignored.
'65
Some never listen or learn
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top dollar for who???? whats his name?
lets put it into perspective we are bidding close to 500k per year, for a guy who has played 21 games.
no wonder we are a joke. keep the picks and save ur cash FFS.
When or where did the club say it was bidding close to $500k per year for Warnock? When or where did the club even say it was bidding anything for Warnock? Talk about perspective - deal with rumours and fact in the correct perspective. I agree with your opinion about keeping the picks and saving our cash but don't slam the club when you base it on media scuttlebutt.
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Mods
Can we do something about the bad language used by some posters?
Happy to read and (mainly ignore) the rantings of some posters but the blatant avoidance of the swear filter should not be ignored.
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if we pick up warnock ill be doing a lot more than avoiding the swear filter buddy.
warnock=negative
nothing wrong with cartledge for another year
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Mods
Can we do something about the bad language used by some posters?
Happy to read and (mainly ignore) the rantings of some posters but the blatant avoidance of the swear filter should not be ignored.
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if we pick up warnock ill be doing a lot more than avoiding the swear filter buddy.
warnock=negative
nothing wrong with cartledge for another year
Ruck work is overrated but a 205cm Simmo, with his excellent work around the ground, would be awesome.
I don't think Warnock fits the bill.
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PS Why avoid the swear filter? What are you trying to prove?
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Melbourne is in the box seat & the front runner, however they are some Navy Blue murmurings from North Freo because a certain Cain Ackland will be bulleted in favour of Warnock freeing up 350 to 380k per annum first 2 years with a backloaded contract a possibility when Fev hits vet status. :whistle
Stephen Icke (when at Freo) was involved in drafting and settling Warnock into Perth in 05, and there are always the "relocation" expenses.
Richmond should avoid Warnock as it will be expensive to get him to Tigerland.
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Mods
Can we do something about the bad language used by some posters?
Happy to read and (mainly ignore) the rantings of some posters but the blatant avoidance of the swear filter should not be ignored.
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if we pick up warnock ill be doing a lot more than avoiding the swear filter buddy.
warnock=negative
nothing wrong with cartledge for another year
Ruck work is overrated but a 205cm Simmo, with his excellent work around the ground, would be awesome.
I don't think Warnock fits the bill.
'65
PS Why avoid the swear filter? What are you trying to prove?
i find it funny when i avoid the swear filter u guys r on to me like fly to shi. but when brackets and his crew do exactly the same u say uum NOTHING!!
who cares about swearing, r we back at school are we?
mods he said this mods he said that.
what a loser you are.
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Mods
Can we do something about the bad language used by some posters?
Happy to read and (mainly ignore) the rantings of some posters but the blatant avoidance of the swear filter should not be ignored.
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if we pick up warnock ill be doing a lot more than avoiding the swear filter buddy.
warnock=negative
nothing wrong with cartledge for another year
Ruck work is overrated but a 205cm Simmo, with his excellent work around the ground, would be awesome.
I don't think Warnock fits the bill.
'65
PS Why avoid the swear filter? What are you trying to prove?
i find it funny when i avoid the swear filter u guys r on to me like fly to shi. but when brackets and his crew do exactly the same u say uum NOTHING!!
who cares about swearing, r we back at school are we?
mods he said this mods he said that.
what a loser you are.
Show me where OX has avoided the swear filter.
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It is a null and void argument regardless - he is going to Melbourne. If Freo won't come to the party they will take him with their first round choice in the PSD for nothing. Carlton won't be able to do a Judd on Melbourne this time. Warnock is coming home for family reasons and with Connolly their as well Carlton, and us for that matter, will be pushing %#$^ uphill to make the trade.
So no need to worry - he won't be part of our list in 2009....even though we desperately need a ruckman like him.
Stripes
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'65
warnock=negative
nothing wrong with cartledge for another year
PS Why avoid the swear filter? What are you trying to prove?
i find it funny when i avoid the swear filter u guys r on to me like fly to shi. but when brackets and his crew do exactly the same u say uum NOTHING!!
who cares about swearing, r we back at school are we?
mods he said this mods he said that.
what a loser you are.
Show me where OX has avoided the swear filter.
Terry is smarter than March,therefore March has his back up.
Terry could play this in a way that March will never work again.
LOL March u Selfish f-wit!
The only message this sends to me is,as a player I would hold sweet FA loyalty toward the club as it
doesn't even honor contracts.
WTF Is a Hardwick gonna do - bring out the best in a team that has the finally learnt
how to play the brand of footy that TW and the coaching panel have clearly been
trying to get them to play.
Gimmee a effen break.
sorry what was that you were saying loser.
you are dealing with the best in the business buddy i would quit while your ahead.
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Mods
'65
warnock=negative
nothing wrong with cartledge for another year
PS Why avoid the swear filter? What are you trying to prove?
i find it funny when i avoid the swear filter u guys r on to me like fly to shi. but when brackets and his crew do exactly the same u say uum NOTHING!!
who cares about swearing, r we back at school are we?
mods he said this mods he said that.
what a loser you are.
Show me where OX has avoided the swear filter.
Terry is smarter than March,therefore March has his back up.
Terry could play this in a way that March will never work again.
LOL March u Selfish f-wit!
The only message this sends to me is,as a player I would hold sweet FA loyalty toward the club as it
doesn't even honor contracts.
WTF Is a Hardwick gonna do - bring out the best in a team that has the finally learnt
how to play the brand of footy that TW and the coaching panel have clearly been
trying to get them to play.
Gimmee a effen break.
sorry what was that you were saying loser.
you are dealing with the best in the business buddy i would quit while your ahead.
Lol once again it all goes over Daniels head.
That's not swearing. That's how the swear filter deals with it so it's not offensive (and F-wit doesnt count) but you would never know that because you are too busy trying to put full stops between the letters to make sure you spell it out in the offensive way for all of us and thus avoiding the swear filter.
Do you stuffing understand? ;) ;D
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It is a null and void argument regardless - he is going to Melbourne. If Freo won't come to the party they will take him with their first round choice in the PSD for nothing. Carlton won't be able to do a Judd on Melbourne this time. Warnock is coming home for family reasons and with Connolly their as well Carlton, and us for that matter, will be pushing %#$^ uphill to make the trade.
So no need to worry - he won't be part of our list in 2009....even though we desperately need a ruckman like him.
Stripes
I can't see Freo giving him away for nothing. they would take a mid 2nd pick before that happened imv. Say Pick 26.
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Guys I love coming on here and reading everyone's posts
Logical opinions
Learned opinions
Stupid Opinions
Left Field Opinions
All add to the character that is our forum, but please does every thread have to degenerate into a slagging match? As a neutral observer who merely has a love for the RFC and a kind regard for all posters on here who for all intents and purposes I may sit next to at Richmond games without knowing it. Yet I hate coming on here scrolling through the posts and playing computer monitor tennis watching insults fly back and forward that have nothing to do with the topic when all I really want to do is express an opinion/thought and read the other ones on here.
For the record I feel that the money on Warnock's head is way way too much and we would be better off keeping our other ruckman. Possibly giving Graham a go next year.
We have Graham Patto and Putt for better and worse. Keep the faith save our money let others pay the exhorbitant price. Let's keep the money to pay our current crop of kids like Lids Cotch and co when they are out of contract. :thumbsup
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Guys I love coming on here and reading everyone's posts
Logical opinions
Learned opinions
Stupid Opinions
Left Field Opinions
All add to the character that is our forum, but please does every thread have to degenerate into a slagging match? As a neutral observer who merely has a love for the RFC and a kind regard for all posters on here who for all intents and purposes I may sit next to at Richmond games without knowing it. Yet I hate coming on here scrolling through the posts and playing computer monitor tennis watching insults fly back and forward that have nothing to do with the topic when all I really want to do is express an opinion/thought and read the other ones on here.
Wise words HT74 :thumbsup. Take them on board folks.
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Warnock, in announcing his decision to leave Fremantle, did not nominate a preferred club to be traded to.
But he said he wanted to achieve the "best possible result for Fremantle", which would suggest he would not try to walk to Melbourne for nothing through the pre-season draft.
As of this year, an out-of-contract player may choose to nominate for the national draft as well as the pre-season draft, but they are not required to.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/dockers-could-lose-star-pair/2008/09/10/1220857638833.html
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Guys I love coming on here and reading everyone's posts
Logical opinions
Learned opinions
Stupid Opinions
Left Field Opinions
All add to the character that is our forum, but please does every thread have to degenerate into a slagging match? As a neutral observer who merely has a love for the RFC and a kind regard for all posters on here who for all intents and purposes I may sit next to at Richmond games without knowing it. Yet I hate coming on here scrolling through the posts and playing computer monitor tennis watching insults fly back and forward that have nothing to do with the topic when all I really want to do is express an opinion/thought and read the other ones on here.
Wise words HT74 :thumbsup. Take them on board folks.
Only the Greek lads can provide the necessary intellect to keep this site a beacon for maturity, creativity, and intelligent thinking HAHAHAHAHA ;D
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Dockers warn Robert Warnock won't come cheap
The Australian
September 11, 2008
THE Fremantle Dockers have warned rival AFL clubs that Robert Warnock will not come cheap as the trade war hots up for the talented ruckman.
Warnock advised Fremantle yesterday that he will be returning home to Victoria, with Melbourne and Carlton in hot pursuit of the 21-year-old and Richmond also believed to be in the hunt.
Bond said the Dockers were open to the prospect of a complex trade involving multiple clubs.
“To think you are just going to be dealing with one club when you are dealing with someone in demand like Robbie is probably naive,” Bond said.
But football operations manager Chris Bond fired a warning shot to potential suitors, saying the Dockers would draw a “line in the sand” with how they negotiated with other clubs.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24325164-5012432,00.html
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Warnock, who is yet to officially nominate his club of choice, is believed to want to join Carlton despite being sought by Melbourne, where his brother Matthew plays, and Richmond.
The Blues, who have promised Warnock more game time then he was getting at Fremantle as a support ruckman under Aaron Sandilands, yesterday said they were confident of arranging a suitable trade for Warnock.
Carlton will start its negotiations by offering a second-round national draft selection.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24326720-5012432,00.html
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3aw just said one Melbourne-based club has offered Warnock a 4-year contract at $400k per year.
If Miller was still with us I would say it's us.
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3aw just said one Melbourne-based club has offered Warnock a 4-year contract at $400k per year.
If Miller was still with us I would say it's us.
Agree, but considering the cap space Melbourne have freed up I have little doubt it's them.
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Blues win race for Fremantle ruckman
Greg Denham | September 12, 2008
DESPITE not playing finals football for seven years, Carlton yesterday scooped its rivals again, with young Docker Robert Warnock nominating the Blues as his new club of choice.
Warnock's preference should result in another big signing by Carlton, which last year headed off a host of clubs to secure prize recruit Chris Judd from West Coast.
Melbourne and Richmond are likely to miss out on Warnock after the 21-year-old's manager, Colin Young, yesterday informed Carlton general manager of football operations Steven Icke that his client had chosen the Blues.
Carlton chief executive Greg Swann confirmed that Carlton had won the race to attract Warnock, who at 206cm tall, will be the club's No1 ruckman next year.
"I believe his decision to want to join us was not about the money, but more about getting a better opportunity to play on a regular basis and having more game time," Swann said.
Warnock's decision is a slap in the face to the Demons, who have been of the belief he would join them after they last month axed veteran ruckman Jeff White.
The Blues and Warnock are yet to settle on a firm contract, but it will be for three or four years. In early negotiations, Warnock, who has played only 21 senior games, will earn about $1million in his first three years at Princes Park.
Despite Fremantle yesterday threatening to play hard ball, Carlton remains confident it will satisfy the Dockers with a suitable trade deal, rather than risk recruiting Warnock in the pre-season draft in December where Melbourne will have first pick.
One scenario could be a three-way deal involving Adelaide.
It is understood Crows ruckman Jonathon Griffin is keen to return home to Western Australia and he could be traded to the Dockers.
As part of that arrangement, Fremantle would pass on Warnock to Carlton, which in turn would have to satisfy Adelaide, possibly with its first selection in the second round of the national draft, overall pick No24.
Griffin was originally recruited from East Fremantle and started with the Crows on their rookie list. He played 28 games over the past two seasons, including 12 matches this year. But after playing the first 10 in succession this season, he did not play a senior game after round 15.
Griffin is managed by the Perth-based Young, who also acts for West Coast star Daniel Kerr.
After shedding nine players, including Josh Carr who wants to be traded back to Port Adelaide, the Dockers lost Warnock on Wednesday after he also requested to be traded out.
The out-of-contract Warnock cited family reasons for wanting to return home, but he is highly unlikely to be reunited with his brother Matthew, who plays for Melbourne.
The Blues have promised Warnock the No1 ruckman's role after several seasons in a support role under Aaron Sandilands.
Warnock made his decision to leave on the same day the AFL cleared the Demons of any wrongdoing in their bid to lure him. The league investigation centred on whether Melbourne made any undertakings to him when they entertained him in Melbourne before the Dockers had finished their season.
Although not unexpected, Warnock said his decision to return home was a difficult one. "My management will be working proactively with the club to secure the best possible result for Fremantle," he said.
The player-exchange period starts on October 6.
Fremantle yesterday warned its rivals that Warnock would not "come cheap".
New Fremantle general manager of football operations Chris Bond said the Dockers would be "drawing a line in the sand" in their negotiations.
"We will still decide what is best for the football club, and I know there is a threat of losing Robbie for nothing," Bond said on Perth radio. "There needs to be a line in the sand - what happens is really important for the Fremantle Football Club going forward."
Bond threatened his club would make a stand.
"We believed Robbie was an important part of our future. We have discussed whether we feel everything that could have been done was, to keep Robbie, and we have absolutely no doubt (it was)."
It is understood that Fremantle offered Warnock a similar remuneration package to stay, as Carlton's offer.
Bond said the Dockers were open to the prospect of a complex trade involving multiple clubs.
"To think you are just going to be dealing with one club when you are dealing with someone in demand like Robbie, is probably naive," Bond said.
The Dockers are also facing a battle to re-sign David Mundy, who is out of contract and on the verge of heading home to Victoria, where Hawthorn is keen to secure the defender.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24331971-5012432,00.html
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From the Herald-Sun
Jon Ralph | September 12, 2008
Fremantle's determination to play hard-ball over Robert Warnock means a host of clubs are weighing up what it would take to lure him.
Carlton is believed to have gone lukewarm on the prospect of recruiting Daniel Kerr and has instead focused its efforts on the Fremantle beanpole.
The Blues have held list management meetings since their season finished, and are aware they could not realistically make a play for both players.
Essendon has pick No. 5 and would need an incredible offer to give it up, but Carlton is open to the possibilities of what its pick No. 6 might bring.
Kerr would want a five-year deal and the Eagles say they want two top-10 picks, but pick No. 6 for Warnock would more than satisfy the Dockers.
The Blues might start negotiations on the 206cm ruckman with their second-round pick but, unlike last year's Chris Judd deal, they do not hold the whip hand.
The Demons will have picks 1, 17 and 19, and the first selection in the pre-season draft, so could use any of those later picks as a first offer.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24332632-19742,00.html
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If Carlton give up pick 6 for Warnock it will be the funniest thing Ive seen in trading since it's inception. Hope the Dockers play extreme hardball.
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If Carlton give up pick 6 for Warnock it will be the funniest thing Ive seen in trading since it's inception. Hope the Dockers play extreme hardball.
hey pmac have you seen the dockers coach lately. hardball?? please.
the blues are a sneaky shifty organisation and i hope to god they give up pick 6 but something tells me they
will only get a 2nd round or risk getting nothing for him.
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Warnock - carlton - 1m+ / 3 years
SEN
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What more VISY monopoly money outside the salary cap ::).
Let them give up pick 6. That'll be 2 drafts in a row without taking a top kid from the draft.
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What more VISY monopoly money outside the salary cap ::).
Let them give up pick 6. That'll be 2 drafts in a row without taking a top kid from the draft.
They wont MT. Listen to coach harvs for a second. He hasn 't got a clue.
they will try for it and in the end would rather take pick 22(2nd rounder) or whatever it is, than risk losing Warnock for nothing.
the blues get their way yet again. More visy money straight to lure players to Princess park.
stuffhead Andy d doesn't give a toss i tell you why. The blues represents more money for them so they wont stand in Visy's way.
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What more VISY monopoly money outside the salary cap ::).
Let them give up pick 6. That'll be 2 drafts in a row without taking a top kid from the draft.
They wont MT. Listen to coach harvs for a second. He hasn 't got a clue.
they will try for it and in the end would rather take pick 22(2nd rounder) or whatever it is, than risk losing Warnock for nothing.
the blues get their way yet again. More visy money straight to lure players to Princess park.
effhead Andy d doesn't give a toss i tell you why. The blues represents more money for them so they wont stand in Visy's way.
If Warnock ends up at Carlton for just their 2nd round pick (#24) then we'll know for sure it's rigged. Warnock says he is returning to Melbourne for family reasons and wants the best return for Freo. I would've thought any of the Dees picks 17 or 19 can top Carlton's pick 24 and he'll also be playing alongside his brother. He'd also get more gametime in the ruck at Melbourne with Jeff White now gone.
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What more VISY monopoly money outside the salary cap ::).
Let them give up pick 6. That'll be 2 drafts in a row without taking a top kid from the draft.
Wont be pick 6, more likely to be 2nd round + a young fringe midfielder, more likely to be Father/Son originally from WA. :whistle
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the blues get their way yet again. More visy money straight to lure players to Princess park.
effhead Andy d doesn't give a toss i tell you why. The blues represents more money for them so they wont stand in Visy's way.
With all due respect that would be Princes Park.
You have an "S" too many.
Chances are you don't give an "F" though.
:wallywink
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the blues get their way yet again. More visy money straight to lure players to Princess park.
effhead Andy d doesn't give a toss i tell you why. The blues represents more money for them so they wont stand in Visy's way.
With all due respect that would be Princes Park.
You have an "S" too many.
Chances are you don't give an "F" though.
:wallywink
with the greatest respect your a stuffhead.
too many s's. question for you. Do you have a life?? clearly not.
as for the blues your half right i dont give a stuff. they are sly much like yourself. perhaps your a blues fan in hiding
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What more VISY monopoly money outside the salary cap ::).
Let them give up pick 6. That'll be 2 drafts in a row without taking a top kid from the draft.
Wont be pick 6, more likely to be 2nd round + a young fringe midfielder, more likely to be Father/Son originally from WA. :whistle
Freo are still after duds if they accept Luke Blackwell who couldn't get a game this year. The only other West Aussies on Carlton's list are Paul Bower, Steven Browne and Clinton Benjamin.
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What more VISY monopoly money outside the salary cap ::).
Let them give up pick 6. That'll be 2 drafts in a row without taking a top kid from the draft.
Wont be pick 6, more likely to be 2nd round + a young fringe midfielder, more likely to be Father/Son originally from WA. :whistle
Freo are still after duds if they accept Luke Blackwell who couldn't get a game this year. The only other West Aussies on Carlton's list are Paul Bower, Steven Browne and Clinton Benjamin.
Is viewed as a potential "Heath Black type"
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with the greatest respect your a effhead.
too many s's. question for you. Do you have a life?? clearly not.
as for the blues your half right i dont give a eff. they are sly much like yourself. perhaps your a blues fan in hiding
Chillax man, why such anger?
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with the greatest respect your a effhead.
too many s's. question for you. Do you have a life?? clearly not.
as for the blues your half right i dont give a eff. they are sly much like yourself. perhaps your a blues fan in hiding
Chillax man, why such anger?
no anger champ. Just dancing with MXMLXV.
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What more VISY monopoly money outside the salary cap ::).
Let them give up pick 6. That'll be 2 drafts in a row without taking a top kid from the draft.
Wont be pick 6, more likely to be 2nd round + a young fringe midfielder, more likely to be Father/Son originally from WA. :whistle
Freo are still after duds if they accept Luke Blackwell who couldn't get a game this year. The only other West Aussies on Carlton's list are Paul Bower, Steven Browne and Clinton Benjamin.
Is viewed as a potential "Heath Black type"
In that case we should convince Freo JON is a potential "Adam Goodes type" :D
Blues fans want the pick 24 + Blackwell deal as Blackwell will be delisted if not traded. Freo could get him for nothing.
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Freo's hard line on Robert Warnock trade
Kim Hagdorn and Glenn McFarlane | September 14, 2008
FREMANTLE will play hard ball and insist on prime draft picks in any trade deal for young ruckman Robert Warnock.
Victorian clubs are clambering to win the giant 21-year-old's signature, after he stunned Fremantle officials on Wednesday with a decision to head home to Melbourne.
Football operations chief Chris Bond said the Dockers would insist on at least a first-round draft pick in opening trade talk salvos. Bond and Dockers chief executive Steve Rosich refused to comment on Warnock's negotiations yesterday.
Fremantle want Carlton, which has been mentioned as a frontrunner to secure Warnock's services, to offer pick six and Richmond at least its first selection (pick eight). But Carlton is expected to offer only a second-round selection (24) for Warnock.
Melbourne remains in prime position if other negotiations fail and could take Warnock with stuff in the pre-season draft. The Demons have appreciable room in their salary cap to accommodate a possible $400,000-a-season, four-year deal.
Carlton football manager Steven Icke met Warnock's manager Colin Young in Perth on Friday. Young will travel to Melbourne this week to consider formal offers from Richmond and Melbourne. St Kilda is also believed to have shown interest.
"We have to weigh up everything that might be offered to Robbie over the next few days and make a decision on what is best for his footy," Young said. "We'll have a clearer view after some discussions in Melbourne this week."
Young was also discussing offers from Carlton for Eagles' forward Ben McKinley, however, the creative goal-shark agreed to a two-year contract extension with West Coast.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24341303-19742,00.html
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No way is Warnock worth a top 10 pick so Freo are dreaming. Going by the Wood trade last year Warnock will go for a mid-late teen pick which puts Melbourne in the best position in what they can offer Freo. The problem is the AFL are so keen to avoid free agency coming in they'll probably force Freo to accept what Carlton offers like they made Eagles do for Judd at the expense of the other clubs ::).
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Has Warnock or his manager actually come out and said themselves his preferred club is Carlton? Why would his manager talk to us this week and find out what we are offering if he has.
Warnock was a stick insect when he was 18 like Gus was. Both the same age too (21 y.o. with Gus three months younger). Shows you need to be patient with ruckman as they build up their body. Remember Gus missed a lot of last preseason due to that broken ankle.
Warnock in the U18s
(http://www.gspimages.com.au/images/thumbs/main/56918.jpg)
Warnock this year
http://www.gspimages.com.au/images/thumbs/main/130628.jpg (http://www.gspimages.com.au/images/thumbs/main/130628.jpg)
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from the Australian
Greg Denham | September 17, 2008
Warnock is out of contract and last week informed the Dockers he wants to move home to Victoria where he is in demand.
While the Blues have taken over the front running for his services, due to Warnock's desire to play for them, both Melbourne and Richmond are making a strong claims for him.
Carlton is understood to have offered him a four-year deal worth $1.4 million.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24357444-5012432,00.html
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Carlton is understood to have offered him a four-year deal worth $1.4 million.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24357444-5012432,00.html
:outtahere
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Denham said this morning on KB's show that the Warnock saga has a long way to go. We and Dees are still chasing hard. The Dees may even make a "Veale" deal with Freo to swap picks 1 and 3 so Freo can get Naitanui ahead of the Eagles. The Eagles will then take Rich at 2 and Melbourne still pick up their first choice Watts at 3 plus Warnock in the PSD.
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Carlton is understood to have offered him a four-year deal worth $1.4 million.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24357444-5012432,00.html
:outtahere
350k per year isn't that high these days although with Warnock it is paying on potential rather than current performance. We're paying Jordie almost that amount over 3 years.
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Carlton is understood to have offered him a four-year deal worth $1.4 million.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24357444-5012432,00.html
:outtahere
350k per year isn't that high these days although with Warnock it is paying on potential rather than current performance. We're paying Jordie almost that amount over 3 years.
yeah and he is poo
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Carlton is understood to have offered him a four-year deal worth $1.4 million.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24357444-5012432,00.html
:outtahere
350k per year isn't that high these days although with Warnock it is paying on potential rather than current performance. We're paying Jordie almost that amount over 3 years.
yeah and he is poo
I was unaware two wrong made a right. ;)
I'm just simply not willing to give a 21 year old with only 20-odd games and stats that look like Pattisons, a 1.4 million dollar commitment over 4 years.
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yeah and he is poo
8th in last night's Jack Dyer Medal suggests otherwise.
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yeah and he is poo
8th in last night's Jack Dyer Medal suggests otherwise.
lol - obviously better than that dud Bowden...where did Joel finish?
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yeah and he is poo
8th in last night's Jack Dyer Medal suggests otherwise.
8th position means SFA for pick 18 or whatever he was. If your proud of that achievement then good on you.
I think he sits exactly where i thought he was. he is a stuffin joke of a player, second only to our ever so courageous captain.
9th is Browny and 10th is captain pathetic and they too sit where i thought they would.
Captain joke and Browny should be let go. I see them providing zero value to the younger players and in browny's case perhaps we should bite the bullett and let him go for a pick 20-30 odd.
ooh and by the way can someone tell me where Schulz finished...hahahahahahahahahahahaha
What a fantastic season he has had...Some of you make me laugh
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ooh and by the way can someone tell me where Schulz finished...hahahahahahahahahahahaha
What a fantastic season he has had...Some of you make me laugh
Well he was leading the thing after the first few rounds :thumbsup
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yeah and he is poo
8th in last night's Jack Dyer Medal suggests otherwise.
lol - obviously better than that dud Bowden...where did Joel finish?
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yeah and he is poo
8th in last night's Jack Dyer Medal suggests otherwise.
lol - obviously better than that dud Bowden...where did Joel finish?
It's an unknown, Ox, one of lifes great mysteries. ;)
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yeah and he is poo
8th in last night's Jack Dyer Medal suggests otherwise.
If your proud of that achievement then good on you.
Is it possible for you to argue a point without making stuff up?
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Back to topic ......
Word out of WA is that Warnock's management has told the Tigers that they are officially out of the running.
Apparently RFC withdrew a 4 year 1.3m offer. :whistle
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Back to topic ......
Word out of WA is that Warnock's management has told the Tigers that they are officially out of the running.
Apparently RFC withdrew a 4 year 1.3m offer. :whistle
:-\
With Griffen apparently staying at the Crows that pretty much dries up ruck options at the trade table if true.
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Back to topic ......
Word out of WA is that Warnock's management has told the Tigers that they are officially out of the running.
Apparently RFC withdrew a 4 year 1.3m offer. :whistle
"Richmond is out of the running according to ch 10 [Perth]. Apparently they wouldn't offer him [Warnock] a 4 year deal"
From Freo BF board.
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Good.
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Good to hear, he's an absolute dud and Carlton are going to be burned with this deal.
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A 2nd round pick (plus maybe a fringe dud player) for a 206cm tall 21/22 year old agile developing ruckman in an era where the larger circle at centre bounces restricts run ups for shorter ruckman. Doesn't sound too bad a deal to me. We paid Otto more than 350k per year and that was 5 years ago. We are now paying Jordie 350k per year for 3 years and he's just a dime a dozen flanker. What's one more year for a type of player we actually and desperately need with Simmo now 30 and our other rucks unknown young quantities ???. Are we now going to promote Cartledge to fill the gap on our list :-\.
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I think it's pretty common knowledge that plough feels that a good midfield is far more important than a ruckman. Now people may disagree but I think you will find that our priorities may not include a ruckman at all costs. I get the feeling that a serviceable ruckman (i.e. Cartledge) may be acceptable over a champion ruckman simply due to the philosophies of the RFC brains trust. I am sure we would love a champion ruck but I get the feeling we will not pay over the odds, and I think we would be willing to pay more for a Kerr or Judd than a Cox. Certainly a skinny kid with 21 games and potential only at this stage would/should not attract overly enthusiastic interest from us. At the right price, by all means, but not at what is being asked.
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I think it's pretty common knowledge that plough feels that a good midfield is far more important than a ruckman. Now people may disagree but I think you will find that our priorities may not include a ruckman at all costs. I get the feeling that a serviceable ruckman (i.e. Cartledge) may be acceptable over a champion ruckman simply due to the philosophies of the RFC brains trust. I am sure we would love a champion ruck but I get the feeling we will not pay over the odds, and I think we would be willing to pay more for a Kerr or Judd than a Cox. Certainly a skinny kid with 21 games and potential only at this stage would/should not attract overly enthusiastic interest from us. At the right price, by all means, but not at what is being asked.
That may be true RROFO and the last part is a fair point to argue but we're last in the comp for hitouts again and I thought the list management side of things had been taken away from Plough and into the hands of Craig Cameron. I could understand us saying no to Warnock if the asking price was our first pick or Warnock wanted $400k-500k a year but knocking Warnock back simply over the 4 year term asked appears to me to be a RFC board decision to sign no deal over 3 years now Miller has got the stuff. Miller would've gone overboard the other way and given Warnock 5 years like he did with Simmo.
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Miller would've gone overboard the other way and given Warnock 5 years like he did with Simmo.
Consider the figures that Miller signed Simmo with, and think again.
1.5M for 5 years = 300K per year.
Pretty cheap salary today me thinks.
It was a great decision and paid off well.
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We are now paying Jordie 350k per year for 3 years and he's just a dime a dozen flanker.
I know people like exagerating a little to make it suit their argument better, but Jordy's contract was 300k per year, pretty much the average AFL salary.
1.5M for 5 years = 300K per year.
Pretty cheap salary today me thinks.
It was a great decision and paid off well.
It was 1.2mil over 5 or 1.2mil over 4 years, same money for the extra year so we took it. Very very cheap in hindsight.
Shame you're back though, I kinda hope someone else signed up using the username
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Miller would've gone overboard the other way and given Warnock 5 years like he did with Simmo.
Consider the figures that Miller signed Simmo with, and think again.
1.5M for 5 years = 300K per year.
Pretty cheap salary today me thinks.
It was a great decision and paid off well.
Jack
Welcome back you old bastard.
:bow
:cheers
:outtahere
:cuddles
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Miller would've gone overboard the other way and given Warnock 5 years like he did with Simmo.
Consider the figures that Miller signed Simmo with, and think again.
1.5M for 5 years = 300K per year.
Pretty cheap salary today me thinks.
It was a great decision and paid off well.
Is this really Jack. Jack supporting a Miller decision. The identity of the new Jackstar is in question ;D
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Miller would've gone overboard the other way and given Warnock 5 years like he did with Simmo.
Consider the figures that Miller signed Simmo with, and think again.
1.5M for 5 years = 300K per year.
Pretty cheap salary today me thinks.
It was a great decision and paid off well.
::)
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Are we now going to promote Cartledge to fill the gap on our list :-\.
It would not surprise me if we don't pick up a ruckman during Trade Week.
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1.5M for 5 years = 300K per year.
Pretty cheap salary today me thinks.
It was a great decision and paid off well.
It was 1.2mil over 5 or 1.2mil over 4 years, same money for the extra year so we took it. Very very cheap in hindsight.
I agree with you both (regardless of who's figures are correct). Point is, contracts longer than 3 years are always going to be very much a lottery. You will win some, you will lose some, but to close your mind as a manager/administrator and totally rule out the potential or possibility is not the smartest way to go IMHO.
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Are we now going to promote Cartledge to fill the gap on our list :-\.
It would not surprise me if we don't pick up a ruckman during Trade Week.
;) :thumbsup
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Miller would've gone overboard the other way and given Warnock 5 years like he did with Simmo.
Consider the figures that Miller signed Simmo with, and think again.
1.5M for 5 years = 300K per year.
Pretty cheap salary today me thinks.
It was a great decision and paid off well.
I agree Jack we got Simmo cheap both in terms of salary and for what we paid for him (Fiora). Okay overboard was the wrong word but what I meant by that is the club seems to now be against long-term contracts whereas if Miller was still around I have no doubt he would have done what needed to be done to get Warnock. If he knew other clubs like Carlton were offering 4 year deals he would've offered 5 to put Richmond in the front running.
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We are now paying Jordie 350k per year for 3 years and he's just a dime a dozen flanker.
I know people like exagerating a little to make it suit their argument better, but Jordy's contract was 300k per year, pretty much the average AFL salary.
1.5M for 5 years = 300K per year.
Pretty cheap salary today me thinks.
It was a great decision and paid off well.
It was 1.2mil over 5 or 1.2mil over 4 years, same money for the extra year so we took it. Very very cheap in hindsight.
Shame you're back though, I kinda hope someone else signed up using the username
$1m over 3 years was reported. Okay $333k per year instead of $350k. All I was saying is what Carlton is offering warnock isn't a huge amount dollar wise and not too far different from what we are paying Jordie. Adding one more year to deal for a type of player we need doesn't sound too extravagant to me.
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Jack
Welcome back you old bastard.
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:cheers
:outtahere
:cuddles
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OH FFS! ::) :chuck
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Greg Denham in the Australian still has us interested in Warnock although he wants to go to Carlton and doesn't want to end up at the Dees. Warnock is even willing to put himself in the National draft to avoid Melbourne in the PSD and leave Freo with nothing.
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Blues stand their ground over deal for Dockers ruckman
Greg Denham | September 24, 2008
OUT of contract Fremantle ruckman Robbie Warnock yesterday met with Carlton where he reiterated to the Blues they are the club he wants to play with next season.
After two senior seasons with the Dockers, the giant ruckman informed Fremantle that he wanted to return home to Melbourne and nominated Carlton as his club of choice.
The Blues are understood to have offered him a four-year deal worth about $1.4 million.
Melbourne and Richmond are also keen to secure the 206cm 21-year-old. However, Carlton's insistence that it will not offer anything better than its second-round choice, overall selection No 24, has led to a stalemate, which may not be resolved to the Dockers' satisfaction.
Fremantle is demanding a first-round pick as a suitable exchange for losing Warnock, but yesterday the Blues maintained the stance that their first selection (No 6) would not be traded.
It is understood Warnock has threatened to nominate for the national draft, which would leave the Dockers out in the cold without any compensation.
Warnock's preference is not to join Melbourne, where a deal could have been clinched more easily as the Demons enter trade week next month with selections one and 17.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24392758-5012432,00.html
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Go into the National draft and risk ending up at Port Adelaide or West Coast?
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I'd be offerering a first round pick just so Carlton have to give it up to get this over rated bloke !!
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Go into the National draft and risk ending up at Port Adelaide or West Coast?
Can you name your own contract terms n the National draft as you can in the PSD? I can't remember.
I hope based on what Cameron said yesterday that we haven't ruled out Warnock and that Ch 10 report in Perth the other week was wrong. It wouldn't be the first time a Perth based journo got things wrong on Richmond. Just ask Gossage and his "rock the world" comments :wallywink.
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I'd be offerering a first round pick just so Carlton have to give it up to get this over rated bloke !!
overated he may be, but i can bet you if we picked him up you my friend would be singing a very different tune.
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from today's Herald-Sun....
The Demons cannot hope to match Carlton's four-year bid worth $350,000 a year for Fremantle ruckman Robert Warnock, as they hope to reduce their wages bill.
Carlton, who met the 206cm 21-year-old on Tuesday, remains confident Warnock will be at Princes Park next year.
The Demons and Richmond will continue to push for his services. They hold higher draft picks than the No. 24 that Carlton will offer.
Richmond is believed to be keen to offer higher picks than the Blues, as they did last year when trying to trade for Chris Judd.
But Carlton says even if Richmond tries to spoil its deal, Warnock's commitment to the Blues is unequivocal.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24399114-19742,00.html
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from today's Herald-Sun....
The Demons cannot hope to match Carlton's four-year bid worth $350,000 a year for Fremantle ruckman Robert Warnock, as they hope to reduce their wages bill.
Carlton, who met the 206cm 21-year-old on Tuesday, remains confident Warnock will be at Princes Park next year.
The Demons and Richmond will continue to push for his services. They hold higher draft picks than the No. 24 that Carlton will offer.
Richmond is believed to be keen to offer higher picks than the Blues, as they did last year when trying to trade for Chris Judd.
But Carlton says even if Richmond tries to spoil its deal, Warnock's commitment to the Blues is unequivocal.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24399114-19742,00.html
The only one we hold higher is pick 8. :-X
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The only one we hold higher is pick 8. :-X
I'm guessing we'd be aiming at trading someone for a pick in the mid teens and then on-trade that.
I'm not sure who'd get us a mid-teen pick?
Seeing as ruckman are such hot property, maybe Gus Graham?? :lol
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I'm not sure who'd get us a mid-teen pick?
Seeing as ruckman are such hot property, maybe Gus Graham?? :lol
Schulz??
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I'm not sure who'd get us a mid-teen pick?
Seeing as ruckman are such hot property, maybe Gus Graham?? :lol
Schulz??
With question marks over Polak, you'd have to keep Schulz.
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The only one we hold higher is pick 8. :-X
I'm guessing we'd be aiming at trading someone for a pick in the mid teens and then on-trade that.
I'm not sure who'd get us a mid-teen pick?
Seeing as ruckman are such hot property, maybe Gus Graham?? :lol
Could work in a 3-way trade. We give up our second round pick 26 combining it with a player and a club with a mid-teen pick hands it over to Freo and we get Warnock.
I can't see us working out a direct trade with Freo. No way should pick 8 be on the trade table!
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From today's Herald-Sun
Kim Hagdorn | September 28, 2008
Carlton appears to have won the race for departed Fremantle ruckman Robert Warnock, with Melbourne unable to afford his asking price of $400,000 a year.
The Blues have already begun talks with Fremantle that will most likely result in Warnock being traded for Carlton's second-round pick -- No. 24 overall -- in November's national draft.
Richmond and St Kilda are also keen on the 206cm ruckman, but Warnock has nominated Carlton as his preferred destination. It is believed a strong desire to play alongside Chris Judd clinched his decision.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24412304-19742,00.html
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The Blues will be laughing if they only have to cough up pick 24 for Warnock.
Warnock for $400k
After Kerr to for $800k
Judd for $1m+
New $$$ contracts for Fev, Gibbs
More $$$ for Murphy when he eventually re-signs.
Still no salary cap at VISYland it seems :whistle.
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Warnock for $400k
After Kerr to for $800k
Judd for $1m+
New $$$ contracts for Fev, Gibbs
More $$$ for Murphy when he eventually re-signs.
Still no salary cap at VISYland it seems :whistle.
If they get both Warnock & Kerr, then they'd have Judd, Kerr, Fevola, Warnock, Stevens & Murphy making up about 45% of their salary cap next year. Leaves the rest of their list to split the other 55%, which averages out at about 130k each, which is not much considering the average AFL salary is about $240k.
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Warnock for $400k
After Kerr to for $800k
Judd for $1m+
New $$$ contracts for Fev, Gibbs
More $$$ for Murphy when he eventually re-signs.
Still no salary cap at VISYland it seems :whistle.
If they get both Warnock & Kerr, then they'd have Judd, Kerr, Fevola, Warnock, Stevens & Murphy making up about 45% of their salary cap next year. Leaves the rest of their list to split the other 55%, which averages out at about 130k each, which is not much considering the average AFL salary is about $240k.
And now they're saying they're interested in O'Keefe ::).
Warnock must really love his brother if he prefers playing with Judd over him lol
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Carlton have offered just pick 24 for Warnock.
http://www.afl.com.au/News/NEWSARTICLE/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=68523
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Ch 10 in Perth are saying Freo has rejected Carlton's offer of pick 24 for Warnock.
MELBOURNE coach Dean Bailey has not ruled out luring emerging Fremantle ruckman Robbie Warnock to the Demons.
http://www.afl.com.au/News/NEWSARTICLE/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=68561