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Title: Changes vs. Swannies
Post by: tigersalive on May 25, 2008, 08:53:55 PM
What I think will happen . . .

Out: Jack
In: Polak


I I would like to happen . . .

Out: Hyde (No match up for him)
In: Polak (Stretch their short backline)
Title: Re: Changes vs. Swannies
Post by: Francois Jackson on May 25, 2008, 08:55:38 PM
how about schulz out.

going by TW's theory he should get dropped...0 tackles
Title: Re: Changes vs. Swannies
Post by: tigersalive on May 25, 2008, 09:12:17 PM
how about schulz out.

going by TW's theory he should get dropped...0 tackles

Thats a lie, you must have just taken the media's word for it.  ::) ::)  Or your a anti-Schulz warrior.  :whistle

Terry said no defensive pressure = dropped.


So how about no.  :thumbsup
Title: Re: Changes vs. Swannies
Post by: Francois Jackson on May 25, 2008, 09:21:42 PM
how about schulz out.

going by TW's theory he should get dropped...0 tackles

Thats a lie, you must have just taken the media's word for it.  ::) ::)  Or your a anti-Schulz warrior.  :whistle

Terry said no defensive pressure = dropped.


So how about no.  :thumbsup

your right im not a fan but i am open to be proven incorrect...

if u think i just made it up ur an idiot, i got it from the herald sun and the age..have a look for yourself...

schulz= 0 tackles.

out- schulz

in-polak
Title: Re: Changes vs. Swannies
Post by: tigersalive on May 25, 2008, 09:28:37 PM
how about schulz out.

going by TW's theory he should get dropped...0 tackles

Thats a lie, you must have just taken the media's word for it.  ::) ::)  Or your a anti-Schulz warrior.  :whistle

Terry said no defensive pressure = dropped.


So how about no.  :thumbsup

your right im not a fan but i am open to be proven incorrect...

if u think i just made it up ur an idiot, i got it from the herald sun and the age..have a look for yourself...

schulz= 0 tackles.

out- schulz

in-polak

Like I said, you took the medias word for it in the quote they cut out of a 5+ minute conference.

There were more than the 4 that had more than zero tackles that week, but they had crap games as well.  That was PART of the reason they got dropped, not the only reason.

Wallace's press conference however had him talk about defensive pressure as being the key and players that dont show it wont get a game.  I saw defensive pressure from Schulz last night, plenty of chases, quite a few spoils.  :thumbsup



Anyway why arent you calling for Richo to be dropped this week if thats the only reason you have to drop Schulz?  :whistle   :stupid
Title: Re: Changes vs. Swannies
Post by: Francois Jackson on May 25, 2008, 09:37:53 PM
how about schulz out.

going by TW's theory he should get dropped...0 tackles

T





in-polak

Like I said, you took the medias word for it in the quote they cut out of a 5+ minute conference.

There were more than the 4 that had more than zero tackles that week, but they had crap games as well.  That was PART of the reason they got dropped, not the only reason.

Wallace's press conference however had him talk about defensive pressure as being the key and players that dont show it wont get a game.  I saw defensive pressure from Schulz last night, plenty of chases, quite a few spoils.  :thumbsup



Anyway why arent you calling for Richo to be dropped this week if thats the only reason you have to drop Schulz?  :whistle   :stupid

because richo bleeds the Richmond Fc and doesn't have to tackle when he runs 15km a game and is seen spewing his gutz out on the boundary line during a game.

Schulz is yet to prove himself, far from it. In saying that i have seen improvements from his previous years. geez a blinder person can see he is a better footballer but i want to see it every week..



Title: Re: Changes vs. Swannies
Post by: tigersalive on May 25, 2008, 09:41:56 PM
how about schulz out.

going by TW's theory he should get dropped...0 tackles

T





in-polak

Like I said, you took the medias word for it in the quote they cut out of a 5+ minute conference.

There were more than the 4 that had more than zero tackles that week, but they had crap games as well.  That was PART of the reason they got dropped, not the only reason.

Wallace's press conference however had him talk about defensive pressure as being the key and players that dont show it wont get a game.  I saw defensive pressure from Schulz last night, plenty of chases, quite a few spoils.  :thumbsup



Anyway why arent you calling for Richo to be dropped this week if thats the only reason you have to drop Schulz?  :whistle   :stupid

because richo bleeds the Richmond Fc and doesn't have to tackle when he runs 15km a game and is seen spewing his gutz out on the boundary line during a game.

Schulz is yet to prove himself, far from it. In saying that i have seen improvements from his previous years. geez a blinder person can see he is a better footballer but i want to see it every week..

So different rules apply to different players at the RFC?

I dont like that to be honest.

They're all there to earn a game.

I believe you're trying to find anything to send Schulz back to Coburg.


Schulz and Richo, despite having zero in the tackle column both deserve a game next week given their performances.  :thumbsup
Title: Re: Changes vs. Swannies
Post by: bluey_21 on May 25, 2008, 09:46:14 PM
Jack won't be coming out. Coming along very nicely in the seniors
Title: Re: Changes vs. Swannies
Post by: tigersalive on May 25, 2008, 09:54:30 PM
Jack won't be coming out. Coming along very nicely in the seniors

I agree but I also didn't see Morton being dropped coming.  :-\

I may be wrong and not see Schulz being dropped coming.  :-\
Title: Re: Changes vs. Swannies
Post by: bluey_21 on May 25, 2008, 09:56:18 PM
2 people closest to being dropped, well at least in my books, are Tuck and Hyde. Both are struggling for form.
Title: Re: Changes vs. Swannies
Post by: mjs on May 25, 2008, 10:16:12 PM


Six posters wanted McMahon dropped according to last week's thread - that Jack been getting into your heads?

Title: Re: Changes vs. Swannies
Post by: Francois Jackson on May 25, 2008, 10:21:28 PM
yeah and im the first to put my hand up and say i was one of them..big fricken deal!!

he had a fantastic game last night..faultless but read my posts before the game, i knew he would play a blinder given the team we played.

i want to see that performance when it counts, against the swans and adelaide. then we can judge..

it seems he is found wanting against those teams but excels against the weaker opponents.
Title: Re: Changes vs. Swannies
Post by: tigersalive on May 25, 2008, 10:32:22 PM
Six posters wanted McMahon dropped according to last week's thread - that Jack been getting into your heads?

Yeah, because he was costing us big time.

Last night he turned it around.

Simple.
Title: Re: Changes vs. Swannies
Post by: Smokey on May 26, 2008, 04:56:14 AM
2 people closest to being dropped, well at least in my books, are Tuck and Hyde. Both are struggling for form.
I'm not sure I can agree with that.   Watching the replay I was amazed how much of the bullocking work Tuck does in and around the packs.  He is playing a different role now to that when he was the key mid but his role is no less important.  Him and Kane Johnson are taking all the knocks that are giving the younger mids a better run at the ball.  I don't think he will be dropped anytime soon but hey, I've been wrong before.  And Hyde is another playing a different role now as a tagger.  His games over the last month have been ok to good and until Jackson steps back up I can't see him getting dropped either.
Title: Re: Changes vs. Swannies
Post by: {X} on May 26, 2008, 07:59:55 AM
closest person to being dropped is king

he needs a rest and time to re focus

jack is playing chf beautifully, and is developing at a rapid rate with wonderful skills on both feet and a gr8 mark, he is going no where
Title: Re: Changes vs. Swannies
Post by: Francois Jackson on May 26, 2008, 09:24:54 AM
i agree with u lot about Jack. no way in this world should he get dropped. he is coming along nicely.

as for kingy yeah well a few errors is certainly creeping into his game, which i am not liking at all..

however he gets a lot of the ball and unless u can find another small back pocket player gutzy and courageous like him, he will stay in the team for most part of this year..
Title: Re: Changes vs. Swannies
Post by: {X} on May 26, 2008, 12:08:00 PM
morton in
king out
Title: Re: Changes vs. Swannies
Post by: wayne on May 26, 2008, 12:27:19 PM
I think Polo has earned a shot after a couple of solid weeks.

I am against changing the team too much, but i'd have Polo, McGuane and Polak at the top of my list for guys who deserve it most.
Title: Re: Changes vs. Swannies
Post by: Fluffy Tiger on May 26, 2008, 12:45:09 PM
What a good spot to be in. I dont know who to take out to fit Polak or whoever else in.

As far as Kingy goes, I have been reading stuff for years about how suporters dont care about much as long as the playes have a go. Well this guy has a go and I love it. Sure he makes mistakes but he has played realy only a few games and is still learning. I also think he gives us plenty of run out ot the backline.

So for me its   In  -  Polak
                    Out - I have no idea

Title: Re: Changes vs. Swannies
Post by: Stripes on May 26, 2008, 12:51:50 PM
Petts & Bowden/Edwards out

Morton/Polak & Connors/Polo In


I will be upset if Petts retains his spot. I just think that we have many other young forwards/midfielders who are at a similiar form level to him with much more potential to improve. He gives us nothing for the future or the present.

Keeping Bowden in the team is only a short term fix regardless. He is too slow and unaccountable to be kept and similiarly to Petts is taking up the place of a younger player who is at a similiar form level to him now but will also potentially improve well beyond him if given time in the seniors.

Edwards would have been dropped last week if it had not been a Dreamtime game. He played well on Saturday night except for inaccuracy infront of the sticks but maybe be given some time in the Burgers to allow someone like Connors/Collins a try.

Polak and McGuane both deserve a recall but at who's expense I'm unsure. I'm loving the depth this year!  :thumbsup

Stripes
Title: Re: Changes vs. Swannies
Post by: Francois Jackson on May 26, 2008, 01:03:41 PM
Petts & Bowden/Edwards out

Morton/Polak & Connors/Polo In


I will be upset if Petts retains his spot. I just think that we have many other young forwards/midfielders who are at a similiar form level to him with much more potential to improve. He gives us nothing for the future or the present.

Keeping Bowden in the team is only a short term fix regardless. He is too slow and unaccountable to be kept and similiarly to Petts is taking up the place of a younger player who is at a similiar form level to him now but will also potentially improve well beyond him if given time in the seniors.

Edwards would have been dropped last week if it had not been a Dreamtime game. He played well on Saturday night except for inaccuracy infront of the sticks but maybe be given some time in the Burgers to allow someone like Connors/Collins a try.

Polak and McGuane both deserve a recall but at who's expense I'm unsure. I'm loving the depth this year!  :thumbsup

Stripes

na stripes your wrong pal..bowden is needed as a mature figure head in the forward line alongside the likes of edwards and jack.

drop bowden ur kidding yourself. the guy has done the hard yards at Coburg and you only have to look closely at his game on Sat night to see that he belongs in this team.

pathetic pettifer done enough to cement his spot. as much as i am not a fan i feel he did his job..

Title: Re: Changes vs. Swannies
Post by: mjs on May 26, 2008, 01:47:37 PM

re Edwards

"..He played well on Saturday night except for inaccuracy in front of the sticks..."

How many times did he pass off when around 40m out? He appears to be uncomfotable more than 30m out and he has to learn to kick 50m - plenty of time though.
Title: Re: Changes vs. Swannies
Post by: Judge Roughneck on May 26, 2008, 02:28:24 PM
Hyde out.

Title: Re: Changes vs. Swannies
Post by: Mr Magic on May 26, 2008, 02:45:49 PM
No changes this week.

Title: Re: Changes vs. Swannies
Post by: Stripes on May 26, 2008, 03:12:50 PM
na stripes your wrong pal..bowden is needed as a mature figure head in the forward line alongside the likes of edwards and jack.

drop bowden ur kidding yourself. the guy has done the hard yards at Coburg and you only have to look closely at his game on Sat night to see that he belongs in this team.

pathetic pettifer done enough to cement his spot. as much as i am not a fan i feel he did his job..

I can appreciate what you are trying to say in terms of having experience to protect, lead and groom the young fellows across the park but I don't think Bowden does any of this. From all reports Joel has a bad attitude and is very individualistic. He is far too unaccountable for mine which was the reason he was dropped to the Burgers in the first place. Who has ever heard of a defender who doesn't defend?! The Pies game showed his reduced speed and Medhurst exploited it.

We can hide him more in the forward pocket for certain but I think that a player like Morton who, while not racking up the numbers like Bowden does, actually does more to secure us a win with his forward pressure, tackling, blocking, dummy leads and assists. Couple this with his age and Bowdens experince becomes far less attractive.

Other players like Polak, Hughes and even Schulz (if you bring back McGuane for the backline) would be better in his position and offer us more in terms of future structure. Even babies like Putt and Gourdis would be a better option soon than Bowden and if Collard can continue to remain on track then he would be a certain.

I just think that given his size, speed and unaccountable style other players would be better suited for the forwardline given our new '1%-style'. I want a list of players who want to fight, tackle and work for each other to win not a team who racks up unaccountable possessions and losses like in the past.

Bowden was............Morton/Polak/etc is.............and hopefully will be.

Stripes
Title: Re: Changes vs. Swannies
Post by: Judge Roughneck on May 26, 2008, 04:02:19 PM
na stripes your wrong pal..bowden is needed as a mature figure head in the forward line alongside the likes of edwards and jack.

drop bowden ur kidding yourself. the guy has done the hard yards at Coburg and you only have to look closely at his game on Sat night to see that he belongs in this team.

pathetic pettifer done enough to cement his spot. as much as i am not a fan i feel he did his job..
The Pies game showed his reduced speed and Medhurst exploited it.

Like playing Raines on Riewoldt - it was hardly Bowdens fault he got raped by Medhurst.

Why are we playing a slow tall on a fast forward pocket?

Rubbish coaching.

We don't have a back pocket who can do the job on a small forward. Medhurst and Norths small forward showed this.

Quote
We can hide him more in the forward pocket for certain but I think that a player like Morton who, while not racking up the numbers like Bowden does, actually does more to secure us a win with his forward pressure, tackling, blocking, dummy leads and assists. Couple this with his age and Bowdens experince becomes far less attractive.

Other players like Polak, Hughes and even Schulz (if you bring back McGuane for the backline) would be better in his position and offer us more in terms of future structure. Even babies like Putt and Gourdis would be a better option soon than Bowden and if Collard can continue to remain on track then he would be a certain.

I just think that given his size, speed and unaccountable style other players would be better suited for the forwardline given our new '1%-style'. I want a list of players who want to fight, tackle and work for each other to win not a team who racks up unaccountable possessions and losses like in the past.

Bowden was............Morton/Polak/etc is.............and hopefully will be.

Stripes

Polak and Hughes have had chances to make that spot their own and have failed thus far. Schultz also, he (like everyone) looks better down back.

Collard, Putt, Gourdis are playing in our 3rds - so they are not in the picture any time soon. Bowden was getting 25+ touches and getting bags on a HF for Coburg.

I don't like Hyde, Pettifer, Bowden - but its up to young players to prove they are better.
Title: Re: Changes vs. Swannies
Post by: wilba on May 26, 2008, 05:10:32 PM
hopfuly tigers can keep this momentom going and have a win againest swans will be a real test for them to see were there at in terms of finals football as i think the swans are are finals team bring polac up and give collard a run in coburg seinors wast of talent in res going on scores.
Title: Re: Changes vs. Swannies
Post by: {X} on May 26, 2008, 06:15:58 PM
bowden does not deserve to get dropped

if anything petts out for polak
king out for morton
Title: Re: Changes vs. Swannies
Post by: TFL on May 26, 2008, 07:33:41 PM
Morton didnt play well enough yesterday to warrant a recall.

Polo and Polak were the ones who put their hands up yesterday IMO.
Title: Re: Changes vs. Swannies
Post by: rogerd3 on May 26, 2008, 08:06:19 PM
no change.
Title: Re: Changes vs. Swannies
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on May 26, 2008, 08:24:22 PM
Polak needs to come in and so does one of Polo and Connors over the next few weeks.
It would be too easy to say either Pettifer or Bowden need to be dropped to accomaodate the aforementioned blokes but even Petts and Joel did the minimum requirement of their duties on Sat night. However Joel does have a lack of accountability and the Swans are a very disciplined and accountable side so perhaps Joel might be the one to make way as the core of the side for the last 6 or 7 weeks have been performing admirably and it would be unfair to drop them.
Title: Re: Changes vs. Swannies
Post by: torch on May 26, 2008, 08:36:05 PM
Bowden & Pettifer have not changed!


Out: Hyde, Pettifer, Bowden

In: Polo, Morton, McGuane
Title: Re: Changes vs. Swannies
Post by: Tigermonk on May 27, 2008, 12:23:38 PM
Out Johnson for Tivendale  ;D  :thumbsup

Title: Re: Changes vs. Swannies
Post by: Stripes on May 27, 2008, 01:50:10 PM
Out Johnson for Tivendale  ;D  :thumbsup


Monk, I'm glad you're not on our selection committee! ;)

We need players fighting for positions and no one ever being assured of retaining their place on reputation or experience alone. Competition for places in the side is the basis of all great teams.

On the other side of the coin is the extremely important aim of developing our young players and attempting to bring them through all together.

Now balancing both goals are the key. If two players are in similiar form and play in a similiar role within the team, then the younger player with more potential to develop should always be given preference over the senior player.

So using this theory as a basis for selection -

Bowden should be replaced by Schulz, Morton or even Jackson/McGuane.

Morton had an off week when he was dropped but (as I mentioned earlier) he is a team player who creates opportunities with his selfless 1%. Without Richo is the forwardline Schulz could bloom and Jackson/McGuane have the size and speed to play as a lead up forward.

All of these players are at similiar level of form to Bowden and have much more potential to improve. Thye also have a good chance of playing together in the future so should be given more opportunities to learn how to play with each other.

I really am disappointed with the inclusion of both Bowden and Petts. All we need is Tiv back this week and we are back to square one..... :'(

Stripes
Title: Re: Changes vs. Swannies
Post by: Tigermonk on May 27, 2008, 03:52:14 PM
Out Johnson for Tivendale  ;D  :thumbsup


Monk, I'm glad you're not on our selection committee! ;)

We need players fighting for positions and no one ever being assured of retaining their place on reputation or experience alone. Competition for places in the side is the basis of all great teams.

On the other side of the coin is the extremely important aim of developing our young players and attempting to bring them through all together.

Now balancing both goals are the key. If two players are in similiar form and play in a similiar role within the team, then the younger player with more potential to develop should always be given preference over the senior player.

So using this theory as a basis for selection -

Bowden should be replaced by Schulz, Morton or even Jackson/McGuane.

Morton had an off week when he was dropped but (as I mentioned earlier) he is a team player who creates opportunities with his selfless 1%. Without Richo is the forwardline Schulz could bloom and Jackson/McGuane have the size and speed to play as a lead up forward.

All of these players are at similiar level of form to Bowden and have much more potential to improve. Thye also have a good chance of playing together in the future so should be given more opportunities to learn how to play with each other.

I really am disappointed with the inclusion of both Bowden and Petts. All we need is Tiv back this week and we are back to square one..... :'(

Stripes

Bowden is a much higher class & better player than all of those you mentioned  :lol
what planet you live on
Bowden is one of the most experienced we have at the club his done very well since his return & his still got a few years left in him yet, why every other club in the league would pounce on him if he was traded or delisted
He was dropped back to the Coburg side to change the style of his play & a change of role & it couldnot be done in the senior side & the same with Pettifer to get him to run around alot more & create play
Tivendale has had solid games for the last month & deserves a recall on his form alone
his too good a player for VFL & his got himself back to that highest level & would be a more damaging player than Johnson at present
His also lifted his tackling rate greatly & is in best form & kicking goals every week
Johnson struggles to keep pace with the game & struggles to kick 40 metres on his good day & his decision making is very poor
l think he needs to go back to VFL level & regain that form & decision making
Tivendale needs to be given the chance like everyone else, l been watching him closely & his doing everything asked of him
like it or not he will return soon if not this week
Problem with Richmond is they always buy everyone elses deadwood & they burnout thier own deadwood out & get nothing for them
l see Bowden & Tivendale playing for at least 2 more years each at top level
Title: Re: Changes vs. Swannies
Post by: mightytiges on May 28, 2008, 02:26:29 AM
I think TM is taking the urine out of us  :lol

Sugar's our leading possession winner and takes the hits that would otherwise be targeted at our younger mids. Sure he won't be part of our next premiership side but neither will Tivs. Also Plough said on Sunday Tivs would only get in if say Sugar gets injured.

With the small SCG you don't need a CHF (Polak) so I'm guessing there'll be no change. Every Tiger had at least 11 disposals against the bombers so it's hard to drop anyone.
Title: Re: Changes vs. Swannies
Post by: Judge Roughneck on May 28, 2008, 02:49:34 AM
Out: Hyde, Bowden, Petts
In: Polo, Polak, Morton
Title: Re: Changes vs. Swannies
Post by: Tigermonk on May 28, 2008, 09:27:59 AM
I think TM is taking the urine out of us  :lol

Sugar's our leading possession winner and takes the hits that would otherwise be targeted at our younger mids. Sure he won't be part of our next premiership side but neither will Tivs. Also Plough said on Sunday Tivs would only get in if say Sugar gets injured.

With the small SCG you don't need a CHF (Polak) so I'm guessing there'll be no change. Every Tiger had at least 11 disposals against the bombers so it's hard to drop anyone.

 ;D lucky Bentliegh dont pick teams, fantasy kid writing teams.
Title: Re: Changes vs. Swannies
Post by: Snatch on May 28, 2008, 09:41:16 AM
People wanting King dropped are delusional.
He'd be one of the first picked every week!!! ::)
Title: Re: Changes vs. Swannies
Post by: Smokey on May 28, 2008, 12:54:34 PM
People wanting King dropped are delusional.
He'd be one of the first picked every week!!! ::)
Not so sure right at the moment.  He was very undisciplined last Saturday and I got the impression Wallace was not amused.  He still seems to be carrying some sort of attitudinal disorder from the week he got all the accolades in the media and then played poorly the next game.  He might be a candidate for a week in the 'bull ring'' back at Coburg.
Title: Re: Changes vs. Swannies
Post by: Fluffy Tiger on May 28, 2008, 01:17:28 PM
This thread show the best part of our Club at the moment. There is probably not a player in the team that does not have somebody from Coburg competing for thier spot. Obviously there are some that are relatively safe, but not many in the team could put in poor games for say 4 weeks and think that they would not get dropped. We seem to have big bodied replacements at most postions at Coburg now, not just some skinny kids with potential. I am loving the depth and think it will push all the young ones to get better faster.

 :gotigers

 
Title: Re: Changes vs. Swannies
Post by: tigersalive on May 28, 2008, 01:23:47 PM
Sounds like Polo is right in line for a game going by Rawlings on EOTT.  :thumbsup

Bring him in.

Sorry Kingy.  Take a break, clear your head.
Title: Re: Changes vs. Swannies
Post by: WilliamPowell on May 28, 2008, 01:28:45 PM
Watched the replay of the first half from Sat night.

Walls was really laying into Kingy - that should be enough for him to keep his place  ;D Who really wants to justify Wallsy comments  :rollin

But agree Polo has to be close to a senior game  :pray
Title: Re: Changes vs. Swannies
Post by: Francois Jackson on May 28, 2008, 01:30:57 PM
my dislike for walls grows as each week passes. what a complete tool that bloke is.
he can be talking about his neighbours pet dog and somehow the blues will pop up.

loser...
Title: Re: Changes vs. Swannies
Post by: mightytiges on May 28, 2008, 05:28:07 PM
Sounds like Polo is right in line for a game going by Rawlings on EOTT.  :thumbsup

Bring him in.

Sorry Kingy.  Take a break, clear your head.
I think Kingy will survive this week as the smaller SCG and the Swans rugby style should suit him if he K.I.S.S. with his running and kicking and he's disciplined with his tackling and pressure. But you're right TA, Polo is eyeing off Kingy's spot if he falls away.
Title: Re: Changes vs. Swannies
Post by: one-eyed on May 29, 2008, 01:30:25 AM
from the RFC site:

With the Tigers coming off a six-goal win over Essendon, Wallace said changes were unlikely, leaving Kane Pettifer in the side and Greg Tivendale out.

"I was really pleased with him (Pettifer) – he was out leading goal-assist player on the evening, so he did his job well, and he had three tackles in the game.

"[Tivendale] is playing some fantastic  footy in the reserves. We haven't made any bold statements about our players – and won't make any – if they play well enough, and there's an opening in the senior lineup, they'll get opportunity.

http://www.richmondfc.com.au/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsid=60403