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Title: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: one-eyed on June 16, 2008, 03:22:10 AM
What changes (if any) should there be for next week's game against Port at Footy Park?
Title: Re: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: wayne on June 16, 2008, 09:09:06 AM
Bowden out.
Title: Re: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: tigersalive on June 16, 2008, 09:11:02 AM
What changes (if any) should there be for next week's game against Port at Footy Park?

Out: Hyde, Schulz, Bowden
In: Hughes, Edwards, Polo
Title: Re: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: Ramps on June 16, 2008, 09:13:52 AM
Pattisons going ordinary I reckon as well.
Title: Re: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: Francois Jackson on June 16, 2008, 09:25:10 AM
Pattisons going ordinary I reckon as well.

YES YES AND YES

I have been saying this all year.

for the benefit of the rfc we need to send him back to Coburg ASAP.

what benefit is he really, he is a very average footballer.

Could you imagine if simmo goes down, same problem as last year we need to play another ruckman and get some games in him at patto's expense.

IMO its very crucial.

Out patto, hyde, mcmahon

in graham, polo, rance
Title: Re: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: torch on June 16, 2008, 01:43:00 PM
Chris Hyde, Chris Hyde, Chris Hyde, Chris Hyde - Out


Hyde, Bowden, McMahon, Tuck, Polak, Jackson: Out


Connors, Rance, Polo, Edwards, Hughes, Meyer: In



Team v Port Adelaide



B:     Moore                 McGaune         White

HB:   Oakley-Nicholls     Rance             Connors

C:    Richardson           Tambling          Polo

HF:  Morton                Schulz             Riewoldt

F:    Edwards             Hughes             Meyer

R:      Pattison

RR:    Newman

Ro:    Deledio

Int: Foley, Simmonds, Cotchin, Brown
Title: Re: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: pmac21 on June 16, 2008, 01:56:47 PM
Out Hyde, Bowden, Pattsion (looks tired)
In Rance, Hughes, Polo
Shulz very lucky Thursfield is injured
Title: Re: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on June 16, 2008, 02:21:30 PM
Out:  Joelene Hyde Pattison
In: Rance Polo Clever
Title: Re: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: Stripes on June 16, 2008, 02:22:22 PM
Graham has had a couple of good weeks playing for the Burgers so perhaps this is the time to bring him in for Pattison. I love Patto but he looks so slow and clumsy and lacks those crutial centimetres he needs to be a No. 1 ruck option.

I think Angus deserves a try.

Schulz had a terrible game. I am normally a big supporter of his but he was very ordianary in attack yesterday. He seems to have lost his leading, marking and kicking skills. Perhaps he found the transition from defense to attack to much of a jump in one hit?

Bowden is a waste of space. He tried to play the supporter leader giving advice to people who didn't need it but was a ghost for the rest of the game. Just taking the spot of a young fellow currently.

Hyde either did a sensational tagging job or was extremely ordinary. Can someone enlighten me?


For mine -

Outs - Hyde, Bowden, Schulz ......and maybe Patto

Ins  - Polo, Rance, Hughes.......and maybe Gus

Stripes
Title: Re: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: Francois Jackson on June 16, 2008, 04:21:25 PM
Graham has had a couple of good weeks playing for the Burgers so perhaps this is the time to bring him in for Pattison. I love Patto but he looks so slow and clumsy and lacks those crutial centimetres he needs to be a No. 1 ruck option.

I think Angus deserves a try.

Schulz had a terrible game. I am normally a big supporter of his but he was very ordianary in attack yesterday. He seems to have lost his leading, marking and kicking skills. Perhaps he found the transition from defense to attack to much of a jump in one hit?

Bowden is a waste of space. He tried to play the supporter leader giving advice to people who didn't need it but was a ghost for the rest of the game. Just taking the spot of a young fellow currently.

Hyde either did a sensational tagging job or was extremely ordinary. Can someone enlighten me?


For mine -

Outs - Hyde, Bowden, Schulz ......and maybe Patto

Ins  - Polo, Rance, Hughes.......and maybe Gus

Stripes

if you love patto as a ruckman then you are very dillusional.

he is a pathetic ruckman. not his fault because DUMB stuff TW wont give another ruckman a go.

Patto needs a break. a blind man can see he is not up to afl standard.

But as usual the RFC will play under done or underachievers till they are limping.

we cant develop players thats why they get burnt out like patto and simmo.

no brains at all

if setanta played on patto right now he would run rings around him, thats how backwards i feel he has become
Title: Re: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: Smokey on June 16, 2008, 06:06:36 PM


if you love patto as a ruckman then you are very dillusional.

he is a pathetic ruckman. not his fault because <snipped unneeded words> TW wont give another ruckman a go.

Patto needs a break. a blind man can see he is not up to afl standard.

But as usual the RFC will play under done or underachievers till they are limping.

we cant develop players thats why they get burnt out like patto and simmo.

no brains at all

if setanta played on patto right now he would run rings around him, thats how backwards i feel he has become

I didn't see it that way yesterday.  I thought he was very competitive in and around the packs and prevented White and Johnson from dominating at any stage of the game.  His stats were comparable with Johnson's and that is enough for a second ruckman - anything else is a bonus.  Remember last season at all?
Title: Re: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: shannon on June 16, 2008, 06:21:31 PM
Chris Hyde, Chris Hyde, Chris Hyde, Chris Hyde - Out


Hyde, Bowden, McMahon, Tuck, Polak, Jackson: Out


Connors, Rance, Polo, Edwards, Hughes, Meyer: In



Team v Port Adelaide



B:     Moore                 McGaune         White

HB:   Oakley-Nicholls     Rance             Connors

C:    Richardson           Tambling          Polo

HF:  Morton                Schulz             Riewoldt

F:    Edwards             Hughes             Meyer

R:      Pattison

RR:    Newman

Ro:    Deledio

Int: Foley, Simmonds, Cotchin, Brown


is that official?
Title: Re: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: Francois Jackson on June 16, 2008, 06:48:15 PM


if you love patto as a ruckman then you are very dillusional.

he is a pathetic ruckman. not his fault because <snipped unneeded words> TW wont give another ruckman a go.

Patto needs a break. a blind man can see he is not up to afl standard.

But as usual the RFC will play under done or underachievers till they are limping.

we cant develop players thats why they get burnt out like patto and simmo.

no brains at all

if setanta played on patto right now he would run rings around him, thats how backwards i feel he has become

I didn't see it that way yesterday.  I thought he was very competitive in and around the packs and prevented White and Johnson from dominating at any stage of the game.  His stats were comparable with Johnson's and that is enough for a second ruckman - anything else is a bonus.  Remember last season at all?

yes dawson i do remember last year which is exactly why i want another ruckman in at patto's expense.

put it this way and tell me if u dont agree, patto is struggling IMO and if he or simmo go down we have to try graham who has played hardly no games.

we need to get some games into him and then if patto or simmo needed a rest he would have some expierience.

see geelong when otto went down. west struggled as he had no expierience but no im guessing he is way better for the run.

graham deserves a crack, patto needs a rest, simmo resting in the forward line. game over tigers win
Title: Re: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: WilliamPowell on June 16, 2008, 08:18:42 PM
In: Polo, Cleve (let the lad play at home)  :rollin

Out: Hyde, Jackson

 :gotigers
Title: Re: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: Smokey on June 16, 2008, 08:49:40 PM

yes <snipped unneeded word> i do remember last year which is exactly why i want another ruckman in at patto's expense.

put it this way and tell me if u dont agree, patto is struggling IMO and if he or simmo go down we have to try graham who has played hardly no games.

No, if Simmonds or Pattison go down for a short term then we pinch hit for a couple of weeks with Polak.  If they go for an extended period then we promote Cartledge who is playing seniors well at Coburg and potentially capable of holding his own.

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we need to get some games into him and then if patto or simmo needed a rest he would have some expierience.

see geelong when otto went down. west struggled as he had no expierience but no im guessing he is way better for the run.

graham deserves a crack, patto needs a rest, simmo resting in the forward line. game over tigers win

Graham needs to earn a spot like everyone else.  If he can't get a regular game at Coburg then reality says he is nowhere near ready for a call up to the seniors.  Sorry to disagree with the romantic notion you seem to have that just giving someone an undeserved game will automatically make them up to it.
Title: Re: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: Francois Jackson on June 16, 2008, 09:02:41 PM


Remember last season at all?

yes <snipped unneeded word> i do remember last year which is exactly why i want another ruckman in at patto's expense.

 

yes <snipped unneeded word> i do remember last year which is exactly why i want another ruckman in at patto's expense.



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see geelong when otto went down. west struggled as he had no expierience but no im guessing he is way better for the run.

graham deserves a crack, patto needs a rest, simmo resting in the forward line. game over tigers win

Graham needs to earn a spot like everyone else.  If he can't get a regular game at Coburg then reality says he is nowhere near ready for a call up to the seniors.  Sorry to disagree with the romantic notion you seem to have that just giving someone an undeserved game will automatically make them up to it.
this way and tell me if u dont agree, patto is struggling IMO and if he or simmo go down we have to try graham who has played hardly no games.

No, if Simmonds or Pattison go down for a short term then we pinch hit for a couple of weeks with Polak.  If they go for an extended period then we promote Cartledge who is playing seniors well at Coburg and potentially capable of holding his own.

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Graham needs to earn a spot like everyone else.  If he can't get a regular game at Coburg then reality says he is nowhere near ready for a call up to the seniors.  Sorry to disagree with the romantic notion you seem to have that just giving someone an undeserved game will automatically make them up to it.

so many contradictions in what you say.
u mention a player has to earn his spot. so u tell me patto, mcmahon have earned their spot do you.

give me a break.

u also mention "remember last year" in reference to patto. yes i do indeed but should that come into calculation when we are choosing our team should it.
yeah lets keep patto in the team because he helped us last year. we might as well bring richi lounder and patty bowden back because they helped us get the spoon in their respective years.

keep trying pal you will get their one day

hahaha be careful what you say because you just got out whitted by a more younger opponent
Title: Re: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: Smokey on June 16, 2008, 09:32:30 PM

hahaha be careful what you say because you just got out whitted by a more younger opponent

I won't make anyone else on this forum suffer the unintelligible mess you just made of trying to reply.  Spent 15 minutes and none of it made any sense so gave it up as a bad joke.  If you care to take the time, have another crack using ENGLISH with your grammer, spelling and layout, and then we can discuss whether you "out whitted" me or not.
Title: Re: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: Francois Jackson on June 16, 2008, 09:43:51 PM

hahaha be careful what you say because you just got out whitted by a more younger opponent

I won't make anyone else on this forum suffer the unintelligible mess you just made of trying to reply.  Spent 15 minutes and none of it made any sense so gave it up as a bad joke.  If you care to take the time, have another crack using ENGLISH with your grammer, spelling and layout, and then we can discuss whether you "out whitted" me or not.

nice deflection old man. your tricks dont work with me.

I have read it and it makes perfect sence.

Its not my fault you are nearing retirement age and can no longer understand the english language
Title: Re: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: Smokey on June 16, 2008, 10:10:51 PM

so many contradictions in what you say.
u mention a player has to earn his spot. so u tell me patto, mcmahon have earned their spot do you.

Please point out my contradictions.  You mention they exist yet can't highlight any.  And I do think they have both earned their spots.  They have both generally contributed what has been the team expectation of them.  Yes, they could have been better, but  they have been adequate and unless you have a better option putting a hand up then adequate it is.

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u also mention "remember last year" in reference to patto. yes i do indeed but should that come into calculation when we are choosing our team should it.
yeah lets keep patto in the team because he helped us last year. we might as well bring richi lounder and patty bowden back because they helped us get the spoon in their respective years.


Where did I say we should keep him in because he helped last year?  I pointed that out to highlight how difficult it is to go with one ruckman and that we got habitually slaughtered through the middle for the whole season as a consequence.  Dropping Patto to bring in a kid that can't crack it in the VFL seniors will be akin to having one ruckman.  Graham needs to learn his craft at a suitable level and then demonstrate his capacity to step up - just as every other player at Coburg appears to have been made do this year.

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keep trying pal you will get their one day

Don't have to; been there, done that.  And you can dream - costs nothing and you don't have to fill your head with profanity to do it.

And wasn't that much easier to read and understand?  Helps when you take some pride in your output and don't suffer the adolescent curse of 'mobile speak'.
Title: Re: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: Francois Jackson on June 16, 2008, 10:25:28 PM

so many contradictions in what you say.
u mention a player has to earn his spot. so u tell me patto, mcmahon have earned their spot do you.


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Where did I say we should keep him in because he helped last year?  I pointed that out to highlight how difficult it is to go with one ruckman and that we got habitually slaughtered through the middle for the whole season as a consequence.  Dropping Patto to bring in a kid that can't crack it in the VFL seniors will be akin to having one ruckman.  Graham needs to learn his craft at a suitable level and then demonstrate his capacity to step up - just as every other player at Coburg appears to have been made do this year.

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thats awesome mate, well done.

what patto does is not worthy of a second ruck. dont compare him with Johnson, he is rubbish

There are others who deserve their spot more than him and we should give them a go.

tell me which craft did tivers, hyde and petts learn at coburg to get a gig at senior level.

patto needs to go back and learn his craft becauyse right now he is useless.

lets watch lade and brogan run rings around our rucks come saturday.

Title: Re: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: Rodgerramjet on June 16, 2008, 10:29:28 PM
I won't make anyone else on this forum suffer the unintelligible mess you just made of trying to reply.  

:thatsgold
Title: Re: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: Francois Jackson on June 16, 2008, 10:31:23 PM
I won't make anyone else on this forum suffer the unintelligible mess you just made of trying to reply.   :thatsgold

another one of your Frankston neighbours dawson??

welcome aboard old chap.
Title: Re: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: Smokey on June 17, 2008, 06:45:54 AM

thats awesome mate, well done.

what patto does is not worthy of a second ruck. dont compare him with Johnson, he is rubbish


Why not compare him - surely that will help dispel the myth that he is no good and should be dropped?

Johnson is 2 years older, 2cm taller, 7kgs heavier and first played seniors 2 years prior to Pattison, yet our boy has played more games, averages over 2 more disposals per game, averages over 1 more mark per game, averages 1/2 a hitout less per game and 1/2 a tackle more per game.  Pattison is already better and has 2 years of growing and improvement on his side - sorry, your statement is contradictory.

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There are others who deserve their spot more than him and we should give them a go.


Please name the ruckman we have ready and capable of replacing him, including facts to back up your case of course.

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tell me which craft did tivers, hyde and petts learn at coburg to get a gig at senior level.


Every single one of these players went back to Coburg for extended stints and did what was asked of them by the match committee to justify a recall.  All were regularly in the best for Coburg and forced their way back in with good performances.  Don't know what your blueprint for success is but mine says that if a player has to earn his position and fight to retain it then you have strongly underpinned your chances of succeeding.

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patto needs to go back and learn his craft becauyse right now he is useless.


See above.  He might not be the best 2nd ruckman in the league but he is not the worst and is far and away the best we have available.  He provides a fairly genuine contest that we sadly lacked last year (remember last year?) and he has still played less than 50 games.

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lets watch lade and brogan run rings around our rucks come saturday.


Yes, lets watch a combined 320 games and 18 years of experience (and 12 finals series) vs 215 games and 14 years (and 1 final series) prove your point.  And lets bring in Graham from the Coburg ressies to turn that all around.
Title: Re: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: shannon on June 17, 2008, 07:29:26 AM
In: Polo, Cleve (let the lad play at home)  :rollin

Out: Hyde, Jackson

 :gotigers
just curious, why would you want jackson out. if i recall, he tagged nathan jones on sunday and totally owned him, he also showed alot of physicality and kicked the ball beautifully, hit richo lace out also.

why not say white out, he is the one who could not hit a target, ????
Title: Re: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: Francois Jackson on June 17, 2008, 08:05:32 AM

thats awesome mate, well done.

what patto does is not worthy of a second ruck. dont compare him with Johnson, he is rubbish


Why not compare him - surely that will help dispel the myth that he is no good and should be dropped?

Johnson is 2 years older, 2cm taller, 7kgs heavier and first played seniors 2 years prior to Pattison, yet our boy has played more games, averages over 2 more disposals per game, averages over 1 more mark per game, averages 1/2 a hitout less per game and 1/2 a tackle more per game.  Pattison is already better and has 2 years of growing and improvement on his side - sorry, your statement is contradictory.

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There are others who deserve their spot more than him and we should give them a go.


Please name the ruckman we have ready and capable of replacing him, including facts to back up your case of course.

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tell me which craft did tivers, hyde and petts learn at coburg to get a gig at senior level.


Every single one of these players went back to Coburg for extended stints and did what was asked of them by the match committee to justify a recall.  All were regularly in the best for Coburg and forced their way back in with good performances.  Don't know what your blueprint for success is but mine says that if a player has to earn his position and fight to retain it then you have strongly underpinned your chances of succeeding.

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patto needs to go back and learn his craft becauyse right now he is useless.


See above.  He might not be the best 2nd ruckman in the league but he is not the worst and is far and away the best we have available.  He provides a fairly genuine contest that we sadly lacked last year (remember last year?) and he has still played less than 50 games.

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lets watch lade and brogan run rings around our rucks come saturday.


Yes, lets watch a combined 320 games and 18 years of experience (and 12 finals series) vs 215 games and 14 years (and 1 final series) prove your point.  And lets bring in Graham from the Coburg ressies to turn that all around.

patto is a trier and thats all he is and all he will ever be.
some like you old man accept mediocrity and thats why we will persist with patto and a BURNT out simmo until something happens then we will be asking ourselves why didn't we try Angus or cartledge for that matter.

I mean what the stuff is pathetic pettfier still on our list, why isn't he dumped to the long term and then upgrade someone like cartledge.

your theory is that if petts and tivers go real well at Coburg then they deserve their spot in the team.
well if thats how you think, then you have issues.

We are in the position we are in because we played duds like that for far too long.

try again champ
Title: Re: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: TFL on June 17, 2008, 08:23:11 AM
Being named in the best at Coburg doesnt mean a thing.
Title: Re: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: tigersalive on June 17, 2008, 10:06:43 AM
Not many back up ruckman in the league do any better than Patto. 
Title: Re: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: Francois Jackson on June 17, 2008, 10:19:55 AM
Not many back up ruckman in the league do any better than Patto. 

your joking right??

other back up ruckman who are streets ahead of patto are:

kruzer
minson
blake
brogan
simon taylor
luenburger will be a gun
warnock
mcintosh and/or hale

yeah no worries patto is better than the above

Title: Re: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: Smokey on June 17, 2008, 10:20:59 AM

patto is a trier and thats all he is and all he will ever be.


Point out to me where I said anything different.

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some like you old man accept mediocrity and thats why we will persist with patto and a BURNT out simmo until something happens then we will be asking ourselves why didn't we try Angus or cartledge for that matter.


We persist with Pattison and Simmonds because they are far and away the best 2 options we currently have.  We won't try Graham until he proves he is capable of finding the ground, let alone running out on it, and we won't try Cartledge because he is a rookie and can't/won't get promoted until a ruckman goes down.  It's pretty simple stuff but obviously proving a challenge for some to understand.

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I mean what the <snipped more superfluous rot> is pathetic pettfier still on our list, why isn't he dumped to the long term and then upgrade someone like cartledge.


Because for the purposes of team structure you don't replace a mid sized forward with a ruckman and you don't put an uninjured player on the long term injury list.  We get 2 or 3 injuries to the likes of Brown, Reiwoldt, Morton and suddenly Pettifer has a very definite role.  He isn't currently our best or #1 option but he is depth (remember last year when we had none?) and no football department in their right mind would place him on the long term injury list to trial a ruckman.

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your theory is that if petts and tivers go real well at Coburg then they deserve their spot in the team.
well if thats how you think, then you have issues.


If you don't think you need to perform well at Coburg before getting a recall then I'm afraid its you with the issues.

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We are in the position we are in because we played duds like that for far too long.


No, we are in the position we are in because we only had duds like that and did nothing until your mates GM and TW came along with a plan and have stuck to it.  Now that the duds are gradually being weeded out and the average footballers are becoming our depth and not our first liners we are looking a much better proposition of succeeding in the future.  Isn't that what its all about - especially for those of you with no experience of success or how to get it?
Title: Re: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: wayne on June 17, 2008, 11:28:25 AM
In: Polo, Cleve (let the lad play at home)  :rollin

Out: Hyde, Jackson

 :gotigers

I'm not saying he should keep his spot because of it, but that pass of Jacko's that hit Richo on the chest was an absolute bullet and probably the best kick i've seen him do.
Title: Re: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: Francois Jackson on June 17, 2008, 11:38:48 AM
no jackson against port and we will fall over like 9 pins

we need his toughness
Title: Re: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: tigersalive on June 17, 2008, 12:15:47 PM
Not many back up ruckman in the league do any better than Patto. 

your joking right??

other back up ruckman who are streets ahead of patto are:

kruzer
minson
blake
brogan
simon taylor
luenburger will be a gun
warnock
mcintosh and/or hale

yeah no worries patto is better than the above



Yeah ok we were talking about different things.  Many want to bring in Graham, he has less to offer than Patto.  I was referring to pure ruck backups when they work in that postion, not players like Kruezer who play 75% of his game in the forward line now Hampson is fit and claims to be backup ruckman.

Minson, Brogan and Taylor are ahead of Patto in that area for sure, and probably Hale but he does his damage in the forward line as well, not while he's roaming the field as a backup ruckman.
Title: Re: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: WilliamPowell on June 17, 2008, 01:36:29 PM
no jackson against port and we will fall over like 9 pins

we need his toughness

Perhaps daniel but....

Jackson's job on Sunday was to tag McLean. The umpires love child of the day McLean was one of the Dee's best

Tag didn't work
Title: Re: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on June 17, 2008, 03:55:57 PM
Could see their samm to medium type forward players having a field day against us
Burgoynes Surjan Salopek Pearce Cassisi Motlop. Need to bring in Polo to add some extra hardness around the ball and Port have been exposed as being fragile in the contest in recent times. What we may lack in skill lets make up for it in hardness and endeavour. That is why Jackson must stay in the side also.
Title: Re: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: Francois Jackson on June 17, 2008, 04:08:13 PM
Could see their samm to medium type forward players having a field day against us
Burgoynes Surjan Salopek Pearce Cassisi Motlop. Need to bring in Polo to add some extra hardness around the ball and Port have been exposed as being fragile in the contest in recent times. What we may lack in skill lets make up for it in hardness and endeavour. That is why Jackson must stay in the side also.

No ticker, no win HT. thats the bottom line mate.

These are games we lose time and time again. If we have improved then we will win.

Im sorry to say cheap wins against the dees doesn't justify improvement in my book, its an away win in adelaide which does IMO

lets see if they have any heart whatsoever.

Title: Re: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: Judge Roughneck on June 17, 2008, 04:19:50 PM
Not many back up ruckman in the league do any better than Patto. 

your joking right??

other back up ruckman who are streets ahead of patto are:

kruzer
minson
blake
brogan
simon taylor
luenburger will be a gun
warnock
mcintosh and/or hale

yeah no worries patto is better than the above



Kruzer and Burger were both close to the #1 player in their draft crop. No shame in Patto not being in that class.

Patto is still only 21ish. Brogan, Taylor types are much more mature.
Title: Re: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: Francois Jackson on June 17, 2008, 04:28:44 PM
Not many back up ruckman in the league do any better than Patto. 

your joking right??

other back up ruckman who are streets ahead of patto are:

kruzer
minson
blake
brogan
simon taylor
luenburger will be a gun
warnock
mcintosh and/or hale

yeah no worries patto is better than the above



Kruzer and Burger were both close to the #1 player in their draft crop. No shame in Patto not being in that class.

Patto is still only 21ish. Brogan, Taylor types are much more mature.

nice try there buddy, i got you covered.

kruzer, minson, hamish crap all over patto.

look patto try's ill give you that but we need more if we are to make into the finals.

that is my opinion
Title: Re: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: shannon on June 17, 2008, 05:26:07 PM
no jackson against port and we will fall over like 9 pins

we need his toughness

Perhaps daniel but....

Jackson's job on Sunday was to tag McLean. The umpires love child of the day McLean was one of the Dee's best

Tag didn't work

Think you may be mistaken, the way i saw it and after watching the replay, tuck was on mcclean, jackson on jones, and jackson won easy
Title: Re: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: WilliamPowell on June 17, 2008, 08:06:38 PM

Think you may be mistaken, the way i saw it and after watching the replay, tuck was on mcclean, jackson on jones, and jackson won easy


I stand corrected  :thumbsup
Title: Re: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: Judge Roughneck on June 17, 2008, 08:27:14 PM
Not many back up ruckman in the league do any better than Patto. 

your joking right??

other back up ruckman who are streets ahead of patto are:

kruzer
minson
blake
brogan
simon taylor
luenburger will be a gun
warnock
mcintosh and/or hale

yeah no worries patto is better than the above



Kruzer and Burger were both close to the #1 player in their draft crop. No shame in Patto not being in that class.

Patto is still only 21ish. Brogan, Taylor types are much more mature.

nice try there buddy, i got you covered.

kruzer, minson, hamish crap all over patto.

look patto try's ill give you that but we need more if we are to make into the finals.

that is my opinion

fool - you never have nor will have me covered. We have discussed this before.

 - Kruzer was pick #1. Rated as the outstanding player of his draft crop along side Cotchin.
 - Luenburger was consitered by many as the #1 player in th '06 'superdraft', and consitered in the clear top 4 with Gibbs/Hansen/Gumbleton.

Patto is abit older than these two, but was a late first rounder. To expect him to be in the class of the other two is unrealistic.

Mcintosh & Hale might have also been top 10 picks from memory.

Pattison 22yr 3mth

Brogan 29yr 6 mth (7+ years older...)
Taylor is also mid 20s.

Pattison has been fast tracked, played almost 50 games cause we have no one else. Cartledge is a VFL ruckman. Laycock stayed on essendons list FFS. Graham is a unco, 3 times as much as Patto.
Title: Re: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: Mr Magic on June 17, 2008, 08:50:03 PM
Out: Hyde, Jackson, Bowden
In: Hughes, Polo, Edwards
Title: Re: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: camboon on June 17, 2008, 09:03:32 PM
Cut it out, at least Patto will always give his best week in week out, we need a tall as a forward and if Cleave wont cant take his opportunity Patto will at least make a contest of it.

Like to see Any Collins get a go as well as a last chance for Danny Myer once he is fitt. Would suggest that Conners is close to a getting a shot.

Who gos out should be the ones that didnt keep running for the full game against Melb, thank goodness for Rich Tambling and Richo - thats what real courage is about - they were there when we need them
Title: Re: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: Francois Jackson on June 17, 2008, 09:08:07 PM
Not many back up ruckman in the league do any better than Patto. 





Kruzer and Burger were both close to the #1 player in their draft crop. No shame in Patto not being in that class.

Patto is still only 21ish. Brogan, Taylor types are much more mature.

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keep punching scotty you will get their one day

you have been out played once again by myself, maybe you should join up with your other buddy dawson
Title: Re: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: one-eyed on June 17, 2008, 09:27:02 PM
from Fairfax news...

Cleve Hughes, who has kicked 11 goals in his last two VFL games, is in line for a senior recall.

"He will certainly come up in selection discussion during the week," Wallace said.

http://news.smh.com.au/sport/richmond-on-the-hop-after-halftime-20080617-2s26.html
Title: Re: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: Smokey on June 17, 2008, 09:57:27 PM

keep punching scotty you will get their one day

you have been out played once again by myself, maybe you should join up with your other buddy dawson
Maybe you should give your hand a break and stop self-congratulating - the only one you're impressing is yourself.  Try bringing a fact to the table, then you might be allowed to talk to the big people, although you will have to learn to write with pens and not crayons.  You really have stepped up to the plate as King Dribbler over the past few weeks.
Title: Re: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: blx on June 18, 2008, 01:20:30 AM
damn straight smokey! all i've ever read from that ninkompoop is diatribe with no hard facts to back it up which = DRIBBLE.

do what i do and just move your eyes straight past his posts.

i've been doing it for the last 2-3 days and i havent noticed any difference :thumbsup

same applies for that other broken record too.
Title: Re: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: Francois Jackson on June 18, 2008, 08:19:58 AM
ninkompoop .

i've been doing it for the last 2-3 days and i havent noticed any difference :thumbsup

same applies for that other broken record too.

ninkompoop??? and your calling me immature.

go figure
Title: Re: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: 1965 on June 18, 2008, 11:15:22 AM
ninkompoop .

i've been doing it for the last 2-3 days and i havent noticed any difference :thumbsup

same applies for that other broken record too.

ninkompoop??? and your calling me immature.

go figure

Mortally wounded were you?

 :lol
Title: Re: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: mightytiges on June 18, 2008, 04:46:53 PM
Moving back to the topic ::)

For mine:
In: Cleve, Edwards   (two South Aussies too)
Out: Hyde, Joel

Who would've thought Joel may retire before Richo.

If Jacko's picked up an injury then replace him with Polo.
Title: Re: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: Infamy on June 18, 2008, 05:05:39 PM
Out Permanently: Hyde, Bowden
In: Hughes, Polo
Title: Re: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: julzqld on June 18, 2008, 07:08:05 PM
The team needs a shot of adrenalin or some No Doze before the start of the third quarter.
Title: Re: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: rogerd3 on June 18, 2008, 10:18:08 PM
The team needs a shot of adrenalin or some No Doze before the start of the third quarter.

heaps of no-doze and red bull and they will be flying. :thumbsup
Title: Re: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: WA Tiger on June 18, 2008, 10:44:45 PM
Well I have just returned from work in the big smoke (Perth) and God I don't miss it there. Anyway I have just finished reading on EOTT the Rawlings Report as well as Terrys Post Mortem and I think there will be minimal if any changes but if there is than I think:

In: Polo & Hughes

Out: Hyde & Schulz

The reason I feel Schulz may and I say may go out is because his goal kicking is and has really be letting himself and the team down. Hughes has been kicking bag loads just about every week since he was dropped back to Coburg and he has really improved his work ethic. While I do like Schulz and he is a brave player I think he needs to get back to the accurate goal kicker we all know he is.
Title: Re: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: Mr Magic on June 19, 2008, 01:37:57 PM
Bowden was awful last week and should be dropped.
If he can be dropped after his efforts earlier in the season, then he should most certainly be dropped now in favour of a fresh, young face on a stuff.
I have been a long time fan and supporter but he is going nowhere fast at the moment and should retire at year's end.
Title: Re: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: wayne on June 19, 2008, 02:27:13 PM
If I heard right and Polo can't crack a game because he's too slow, then what is Bowden doing in the side?
Title: Re: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: Fishfinger on June 19, 2008, 03:01:14 PM
Hitting targets and being accountable would be a good start.  :)

Was put back onto Yze and didn't give him a sniff. 92% disposal efficiency.
Title: Re: Changes for the Port game?
Post by: Francois Jackson on June 19, 2008, 06:03:24 PM
for once i agree 100% with TW and the selection commitee.

schulz has not come on and thats twice he has been dropped back to Coburg.

he is on his last legs IMO.

goodbye