Changes for the Port game?

[Francois Jackson]

Remember last season at all?

yes <snipped unneeded word> i do remember last year which is exactly why i want another ruckman in at patto's expense.

 

yes <snipped unneeded word> i do remember last year which is exactly why i want another ruckman in at patto's expense.

see geelong when otto went down. west struggled as he had no expierience but no im guessing he is way better for the run.

graham deserves a crack, patto needs a rest, simmo resting in the forward line. game over tigers win

Graham needs to earn a spot like everyone else.  If he can't get a regular game at Coburg then reality says he is nowhere near ready for a call up to the seniors.  Sorry to disagree with the romantic notion you seem to have that just giving someone an undeserved game will automatically make them up to it.

this way and tell me if u dont agree, patto is struggling IMO and if he or simmo go down we have to try graham who has played hardly no games.

No, if Simmonds or Pattison go down for a short term then we pinch hit for a couple of weeks with Polak.  If they go for an extended period then we promote Cartledge who is playing seniors well at Coburg and potentially capable of holding his own.

Graham needs to earn a spot like everyone else.  If he can't get a regular game at Coburg then reality says he is nowhere near ready for a call up to the seniors.  Sorry to disagree with the romantic notion you seem to have that just giving someone an undeserved game will automatically make them up to it.

so many contradictions in what you say.
u mention a player has to earn his spot. so u tell me patto, mcmahon have earned their spot do you.

give me a break.

u also mention "remember last year" in reference to patto. yes i do indeed but should that come into calculation when we are choosing our team should it.
yeah lets keep patto in the team because he helped us last year. we might as well bring richi lounder and patty bowden back because they helped us get the spoon in their respective years.

keep trying pal you will get their one day

hahaha be careful what you say because you just got out whitted by a more younger opponent

[Smokey]

hahaha be careful what you say because you just got out whitted by a more younger opponent

I won't make anyone else on this forum suffer the unintelligible mess you just made of trying to reply.  Spent 15 minutes and none of it made any sense so gave it up as a bad joke.  If you care to take the time, have another crack using ENGLISH with your grammer, spelling and layout, and then we can discuss whether you "out whitted" me or not.

[Francois Jackson]

hahaha be careful what you say because you just got out whitted by a more younger opponent

I won't make anyone else on this forum suffer the unintelligible mess you just made of trying to reply.  Spent 15 minutes and none of it made any sense so gave it up as a bad joke.  If you care to take the time, have another crack using ENGLISH with your grammer, spelling and layout, and then we can discuss whether you "out whitted" me or not.

nice deflection old man. your tricks dont work with me.

I have read it and it makes perfect sence.

Its not my fault you are nearing retirement age and can no longer understand the english language

[Smokey]

so many contradictions in what you say.
u mention a player has to earn his spot. so u tell me patto, mcmahon have earned their spot do you.

Please point out my contradictions.  You mention they exist yet can't highlight any.  And I do think they have both earned their spots.  They have both generally contributed what has been the team expectation of them.  Yes, they could have been better, but  they have been adequate and unless you have a better option putting a hand up then adequate it is.

u also mention "remember last year" in reference to patto. yes i do indeed but should that come into calculation when we are choosing our team should it.
yeah lets keep patto in the team because he helped us last year. we might as well bring richi lounder and patty bowden back because they helped us get the spoon in their respective years.

Where did I say we should keep him in because he helped last year?  I pointed that out to highlight how difficult it is to go with one ruckman and that we got habitually slaughtered through the middle for the whole season as a consequence.  Dropping Patto to bring in a kid that can't crack it in the VFL seniors will be akin to having one ruckman.  Graham needs to learn his craft at a suitable level and then demonstrate his capacity to step up - just as every other player at Coburg appears to have been made do this year.

keep trying pal you will get their one day

Don't have to; been there, done that.  And you can dream - costs nothing and you don't have to fill your head with profanity to do it.

And wasn't that much easier to read and understand?  Helps when you take some pride in your output and don't suffer the adolescent curse of 'mobile speak'.

[Francois Jackson]

so many contradictions in what you say.
u mention a player has to earn his spot. so u tell me patto, mcmahon have earned their spot do you.

Where did I say we should keep him in because he helped last year?  I pointed that out to highlight how difficult it is to go with one ruckman and that we got habitually slaughtered through the middle for the whole season as a consequence.  Dropping Patto to bring in a kid that can't crack it in the VFL seniors will be akin to having one ruckman.  Graham needs to learn his craft at a suitable level and then demonstrate his capacity to step up - just as every other player at Coburg appears to have been made do this year.

 
 
 

thats awesome mate, well done.

what patto does is not worthy of a second ruck. dont compare him with Johnson, he is rubbish

There are others who deserve their spot more than him and we should give them a go.

tell me which craft did tivers, hyde and petts learn at coburg to get a gig at senior level.

patto needs to go back and learn his craft becauyse right now he is useless.

lets watch lade and brogan run rings around our rucks come saturday.

[Rodgerramjet]

I won't make anyone else on this forum suffer the unintelligible mess you just made of trying to reply.  

[Francois Jackson]

I won't make anyone else on this forum suffer the unintelligible mess you just made of trying to reply.   

another one of your Frankston neighbours dawson??

welcome aboard old chap.

[Smokey]

thats awesome mate, well done.

what patto does is not worthy of a second ruck. dont compare him with Johnson, he is rubbish

Why not compare him - surely that will help dispel the myth that he is no good and should be dropped?

Johnson is 2 years older, 2cm taller, 7kgs heavier and first played seniors 2 years prior to Pattison, yet our boy has played more games, averages over 2 more disposals per game, averages over 1 more mark per game, averages 1/2 a hitout less per game and 1/2 a tackle more per game.  Pattison is already better and has 2 years of growing and improvement on his side - sorry, your statement is contradictory.

There are others who deserve their spot more than him and we should give them a go.

Please name the ruckman we have ready and capable of replacing him, including facts to back up your case of course.

tell me which craft did tivers, hyde and petts learn at coburg to get a gig at senior level.

Every single one of these players went back to Coburg for extended stints and did what was asked of them by the match committee to justify a recall.  All were regularly in the best for Coburg and forced their way back in with good performances.  Don't know what your blueprint for success is but mine says that if a player has to earn his position and fight to retain it then you have strongly underpinned your chances of succeeding.

patto needs to go back and learn his craft becauyse right now he is useless.

See above.  He might not be the best 2nd ruckman in the league but he is not the worst and is far and away the best we have available.  He provides a fairly genuine contest that we sadly lacked last year (remember last year?) and he has still played less than 50 games.

lets watch lade and brogan run rings around our rucks come saturday.

Yes, lets watch a combined 320 games and 18 years of experience (and 12 finals series) vs 215 games and 14 years (and 1 final series) prove your point.  And lets bring in Graham from the Coburg ressies to turn that all around.

[shannon]

In: Polo, Cleve (let the lad play at home) 

Out: Hyde, Jackson

 

just curious, why would you want jackson out. if i recall, he tagged nathan jones on sunday and totally owned him, he also showed alot of physicality and kicked the ball beautifully, hit richo lace out also.

why not say white out, he is the one who could not hit a target, ????

[Francois Jackson]

thats awesome mate, well done.

what patto does is not worthy of a second ruck. dont compare him with Johnson, he is rubbish

Why not compare him - surely that will help dispel the myth that he is no good and should be dropped?

Johnson is 2 years older, 2cm taller, 7kgs heavier and first played seniors 2 years prior to Pattison, yet our boy has played more games, averages over 2 more disposals per game, averages over 1 more mark per game, averages 1/2 a hitout less per game and 1/2 a tackle more per game.  Pattison is already better and has 2 years of growing and improvement on his side - sorry, your statement is contradictory.

There are others who deserve their spot more than him and we should give them a go.

Please name the ruckman we have ready and capable of replacing him, including facts to back up your case of course.

tell me which craft did tivers, hyde and petts learn at coburg to get a gig at senior level.

Every single one of these players went back to Coburg for extended stints and did what was asked of them by the match committee to justify a recall.  All were regularly in the best for Coburg and forced their way back in with good performances.  Don't know what your blueprint for success is but mine says that if a player has to earn his position and fight to retain it then you have strongly underpinned your chances of succeeding.

patto needs to go back and learn his craft becauyse right now he is useless.

See above.  He might not be the best 2nd ruckman in the league but he is not the worst and is far and away the best we have available.  He provides a fairly genuine contest that we sadly lacked last year (remember last year?) and he has still played less than 50 games.

lets watch lade and brogan run rings around our rucks come saturday.

Yes, lets watch a combined 320 games and 18 years of experience (and 12 finals series) vs 215 games and 14 years (and 1 final series) prove your point.  And lets bring in Graham from the Coburg ressies to turn that all around.

patto is a trier and thats all he is and all he will ever be.
some like you old man accept mediocrity and thats why we will persist with patto and a BURNT out simmo until something happens then we will be asking ourselves why didn't we try Angus or cartledge for that matter.

I mean what the fc.uk is pathetic pettfier still on our list, why isn't he dumped to the long term and then upgrade someone like cartledge.

your theory is that if petts and tivers go real well at Coburg then they deserve their spot in the team.
well if thats how you think, then you have issues.

We are in the position we are in because we played duds like that for far too long.

try again champ

[TFL]

Being named in the best at Coburg doesnt mean a thing.

[tigersalive]

Not many back up ruckman in the league do any better than Patto. 

[Francois Jackson]

Not many back up ruckman in the league do any better than Patto. 

your joking right??

other back up ruckman who are streets ahead of patto are:

kruzer
minson
blake
brogan
simon taylor
luenburger will be a gun
warnock
mcintosh and/or hale

yeah no worries patto is better than the above

[Smokey]

patto is a trier and thats all he is and all he will ever be.

Point out to me where I said anything different.

some like you old man accept mediocrity and thats why we will persist with patto and a BURNT out simmo until something happens then we will be asking ourselves why didn't we try Angus or cartledge for that matter.

We persist with Pattison and Simmonds because they are far and away the best 2 options we currently have.  We won't try Graham until he proves he is capable of finding the ground, let alone running out on it, and we won't try Cartledge because he is a rookie and can't/won't get promoted until a ruckman goes down.  It's pretty simple stuff but obviously proving a challenge for some to understand.

I mean what the <snipped more superfluous rot> is pathetic pettfier still on our list, why isn't he dumped to the long term and then upgrade someone like cartledge.

Because for the purposes of team structure you don't replace a mid sized forward with a ruckman and you don't put an uninjured player on the long term injury list.  We get 2 or 3 injuries to the likes of Brown, Reiwoldt, Morton and suddenly Pettifer has a very definite role.  He isn't currently our best or #1 option but he is depth (remember last year when we had none?) and no football department in their right mind would place him on the long term injury list to trial a ruckman.

your theory is that if petts and tivers go real well at Coburg then they deserve their spot in the team.
well if thats how you think, then you have issues.

If you don't think you need to perform well at Coburg before getting a recall then I'm afraid its you with the issues.

We are in the position we are in because we played duds like that for far too long.

No, we are in the position we are in because we only had duds like that and did nothing until your mates GM and TW came along with a plan and have stuck to it.  Now that the duds are gradually being weeded out and the average footballers are becoming our depth and not our first liners we are looking a much better proposition of succeeding in the future.  Isn't that what its all about - especially for those of you with no experience of success or how to get it?

[wayne]

In: Polo, Cleve (let the lad play at home) 

Out: Hyde, Jackson

 

I'm not saying he should keep his spot because of it, but that pass of Jacko's that hit Richo on the chest was an absolute bullet and probably the best kick i've seen him do.