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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Ramps on July 14, 2008, 05:01:30 PM
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Gave his opinion that we dont have enough youngsters to take us to top 3 teams consistently. And therefore not real premiership contenders. Our KPPs are low in terms of real quality. We dont have enough quality overall.
IMHO I think Brereton is correct, our list only has the potential to reach the bottom reaches of the 8. We need more talent.
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;D Brereton who gives a rats ass what he's got to say :whistle
club is rebuilding, its very young & got to get games in the players legs which will take about 1-2 more years
we will pick up more players in them next 2 years so wtf does he know, we pushed his top 3 side & have pushed all present top 3 sides this year lose to Geelong 30pts, Hawks by 12pts & Bulldogs draw so he needs to do some more lines & have a good think about what he says
he was a champion but he wants to remember when he was drafted from Frankston, & he walked into a strong established side thats why they were successful & he got out when they needed to rebuild cause he got greedy
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Brereton has never said a nice thing about the RFC. Talk about having an agenda. Luckily it is hard to take offence since he looks so incredibly stupid.
Having said that we no doubt have a way to go.
I enjoyed last week against the Eagles. :thumbsup
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;D Brereton who gives a rats ass what he's got to say :whistle
club is rebuilding, its very young & got to get games in the players legs which will take about 1-2 more years
we will pick up more players in them next 2 years so wtf does he know, we pushed his top 3 side & have pushed all present top 3 sides this year lose to Geelong 30pts, Hawks by 12pts & Bulldogs draw so he needs to do some more lines & have a good think about what he says
he was a champion but he wants to remember when he was drafted from Frankston, & he walked into a strong established side thats why they were successful & he got out when they needed to rebuild cause he got greedy
Too many words to have this in my signature, but I'm shocked at this post.
After all the bagging you do of TW and you actually understand what the club is doing - that's deceitful ;D
Re Dermie as a player, Richo's probably kicked twice as many goals as he ever did. He was a great player Dermie IMO, but he's always had a big head and that makes you less of a champion in my eyes.
Is he going to hold this "We've got Franklin" for the rest of his career, even after we've won a premiership before them :-)
We're building up a champion team as opposed to a team of champions :thumbsup
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Does Dermie realise there's actually a draft this year and another next year and another after that infinitum or is it because the Hawks no longer get early picks he doesn't care about the draft. What an idiot. Of course we're nowhere near the top 3 sides and we still need to add to and improve our list but hello captain obvious. We had half the side on the weekend with less than 50 games experience. It's called rebuilding! :stupid
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There is a number of media personalities to have an agenda against the Tigers. I have been listening to SEN for years now when Dermie was a commentator with Huddo before being replaced by the Ox. All three of these figures have a real hatred for our club and struggle to find a good world about it. Of these media personalities Huddo has the greatest dislike, followed by Dermie with the Ox and distant third.
While Dermie was a commentor he would always stick the knives into the Tigers particularly about our development. What Dermie choses not to see is that we still have a great deal of young players who are not in the current team and are still developing 'behind the scenes'. These players give us depth and are quality players such as Rance, Putt, Gourdis, Collins and Collard who are yet to play a senior game for us. On top of this we have players such as Thursfield, King, Meyer, Cogs and Graham who were missing from last weeks team but are all important, or at least potentially important, part of our future.
We have a very young list. Even the young players who are in our starting line up are all still developing and improving so considering the improvements we have made recently how could Dermie state that we have no chance on being a Top 3 team.
Dermie is clueless ::)
Stripes
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Does Dermie realise there's actually a draft this year and another next year and another after that infinitum or is it because the Hawks no longer get early picks he doesn't care about the draft. What an idiot. Of course we're nowhere near the top 3 sides and we still need to add to and improve our list but hello captain obvious. We had half the side on the weekend with less than 50 games experience. It's called rebuilding! :stupid
hawks are fast becoming my most second hated team behind the blues, and thats due to idiots like dermie..
he needs to hit commercial road and down another disco biscuit before commenting on the richmond fc.
ill tell you id love for the hawks to miss out on a flag this year and next, then miss their window of opp like the saints have done..
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Just out of interest as I no longer have time to follow the ressies, how are the Hawks youngsters progressing in the 2s? Aren't Box Hill Hawks near the bottom of the ladder?
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Gave his opinion that we dont have enough youngsters to take us to top 3 teams consistently. And therefore not real premiership contenders. Our KPPs are low in terms of real quality. We dont have enough quality overall.
IMHO I think Brereton is correct, our list only has the potential to reach the bottom reaches of the 8. We need more talent.
Agree with Ramps on this one.
We dont have enough quality overall. I reckon our top 15 players compared to other clubs are on par,but we then get murdered by player16-22. Basically the last 6 players that get picked very week are not as good as the opposition players accordingly, thats why we get beat often.
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JON wont make it. Tambling is struggling. I dont believe we have the depth, keeping in mind that Richo, Bowden ,Simmo, Kane Johnson wont be playing beyond 2009.
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ahhhhhh dermie
this is the bloke that said harveoygive it up as he has nothing more to offer the saints
and about kpp players, imo, cleve and jack have far better kicking actions than lance and roughead, now im no expert, but i can guarantee that when our midfield start to really deliver the ball well, and cleve or jack get 15 shots at goal, they will do far better than 4 goals 7 and 4 out on the full
kpp kds that we know have the goods: cleve, jack, thurstfield, and moore. throw in the kids that we know that can develop rance, putt and gourdis. add to that the kpp that can producef all goes well for them with health and form polak, schulz and patto. then also add medium players that can play tall morton and possibly mguane down back
then we have our runners, lids, bling, cotch, foley, edwards, polo, connors and hopefully collins, casserly and meyer come good
so we then can assume that dermie has no idea
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Gave his opinion that we dont have enough youngsters to take us to top 3 teams consistently. And therefore not real premiership contenders. Our KPPs are low in terms of real quality. We dont have enough quality overall.
IMHO I think Brereton is correct, our list only has the potential to reach the bottom reaches of the 8. We need more talent.
Agree with Ramps on this one.
We dont have enough quality overall. I reckon our top 15 players compared to other clubs are on par,but we then get murdered by player16-22. Basically the last 6 players that get picked very week are not as good as the opposition players accordingly, thats why we get beat often.
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JON wont make it. Tambling is struggling. I dont believe we have the depth, keeping in mind that Richo, Bowden ,Simmo, Kane Johnson wont be playing beyond 2009.
true but jack seriously u cant mention sugar and depth in the same sentence.
he is bringing us down that bloke..
agree on the tambling and JON comment 100%.
i actually think they could be brothers as they both look the same and play that weak, indecisive game.
i thought tambling was supposed to be fast??? well i think i saw russell gilbert run faster at the legends game...
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we have the kids and talent to build successful team, my only fear is that we don't have the right coach to develop and nurture these kids to become champions
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Just out of interest as I no longer have time to follow the ressies, how are the Hawks youngsters progressing in the 2s? Aren't Box Hill Hawks near the bottom of the ladder?
Injured or struggling fwoy.
Thorp - hasn't come on yet. Everyone remembers him kicking 3? goals against us on debut last year but has done nothing else since. Drafted before Jack Riewoldt.
Dowler - has that car accident stuffed up hid body? He's playing at Box Hill and been in their bests the past couple of weeks but has yet come on and now in his 3rd year. Drafted before Cleve Hughes.
Bailey - did his knee. Out for the season.
Muston - Hawks drafted him despite coming back from a knee reco. In his 3rd year and out for the season again with a knee.
Rookies Grima, Stokes, Walsh are playing Box Hill seniors. Another rookie Sandilands playing Box Hill ressies.
Don't know what's happened to Moss, Whitecross, Kennedy and McEntee but they didn't play on the weekend apparently.
Ellis (2005 draft, #3), Birchall (2005, #14), Tuck (2005, #38 F/S), Morton (2006, #33) and Rioli (2007 draft, #12) are playing in the Hawthorn side from the past 3 drafts. Renouf (2006, #24) was reported last week for hitting Selwood of the Eagles.
The Hawks topped up last year. Just two draft picks used on kids plus Dew.
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Cheers MT. So is it fair to say the Hawks depth would be tested if they were to lose Franklin and one or two mids? How strong are their key defensive posts?
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You forgot Zac Dawson, mt. :D
He's been tearing it up since Clarkson "educated" him at full back a couple of seasons back. :whistle
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Cheers MT. So is it fair to say the Hawks depth would be tested if they were to lose Franklin and one or two mids? How strong are their key defensive posts?
They have Lewis and Bateman to come back in and Sewell just came back. Their key defensive posts are their weakness especially Gilham who was exposed when they lost those 2 games. Losing Croad leaves a big hole. However while their midfield dominates and they play that Clarkson cluster midfield zone which limits the forward entries of the opposition to 40-45 or less entries per game they don't worry about it. Of course losing a Buddy or Hodge would hurt them big time.
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You forgot Zac Dawson, mt. :D
He's been tearing it up since Clarkson "educated" him at full back a couple of seasons back. :whistle
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Dawson is 22 1/2 y.o and been on their list 5 years so I didn't think of him as a youngster anymore. I reckon he'll be delisted at the end of the year.
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Someone go find Andy Goodwin. Obviosuly he didnt smack Dermie hard enough
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ah dermie
the biscuit munching steroid infested 45 yr old that keeps dressing as a 20yr old
the bloke who reckons aaron james was gunna be better than wayne carey.
wtf would he know :sleep
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the biscuit munching steroid infested 45 yr old that keeps dressing as a 20yr old
20 year old girl to be more accurate. He wears more make up than Jack Nicholson did as the Joker.
the bloke who reckons aaron james was gunna be better than wayne carey.
wtf would he know :sleep
I mentioned it the Foley SEN thread, but Dermie thinks that Travis Tuck will be a Hawks B&F as well :lol
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Too many words to have this in my signature, but I'm shocked at this post.
After all the bagging you do of TW and you actually understand what the club is doing - that's deceitful ;D
dont give a crap what you put in your signiture Moi
l stand by what l say that Wallet willnot take us to a premiership cause his coaching methods are terrible & players are going BACKWARDS & STALE under him.
The only teams we are beating are the sides that are rebuilding themselves & the teams we were suppose to have better lists 4 years ago are top 3 sides now, we have taken wooden spoons 2004 & 2007 last year. What does that tell you. Wallet hated us as a player & come to our club for money & when that was no longer there off he went to Footscray, dont you remember. After he done what he did to them as a coach thinking $$$ again nobody wanted him as coach because of his greed so he opts to the media waiting, until wait. Richmond will pay him some huge ammount of money & give him 5 years & he knew it cause we were desperate before Geishein (cousin to my wife) Frawley given a 5 year contract after coaching Collingwood reserves so Wallet (open) ;D knows he will get what he wants a 5 years contract & open reign
TW has put us back years, who starts a rebuild halfway through his contract you tell me HELLO
who continuely swaps around Tivendale, Hyde, Pettifer, when you got others who can do the job better.
Who hangs onto players worth trading last year but has them playing Coburg & swaps them around trying to find a fix with old stock, does he not know a VFL player to a Elite AFL player or he is confused cause he played VFL so he probabaly think they are the same level now :rollin so please if you think l'm deceitful just read what l wrote here a few times it may sink in
your happy with Wallet just take a look at the ugly skills & the short game & turnover rate.
sending the message to close down games 10 minutes into the last quarter when we have control of the game & could have won them games by a good margin & boosted our percentage & our ladder posistion taking the preasure off the club because the media is smashing our moral
he said we were going to go long & direct before he walked in the door ;D does it take 4 years to teach that :rollin
Players are well educated how to play football in & through the zones well before they get to AFL, but through Wallet they seem to struggle with that why, you tell me you know everything about football why l bet you aint even played the game, infact l'm starting to believe your Caroline in disguise :lol
sorry this is so long to use in your signiture maybe you can take parts out of it & change it to suit yourself like your known to do too Jackstar. But its obvious that what l wrote above points to many things that have put the club backwards when our mighty club should be fighting for a finals spot with Hawthorn, Western Bulldogs, & St-Kilda who have worked out Fiora was a dud but we hold on to them types till they are worthless to trade & you call Wallace smart, His backline gameplan is NOT the best in the league :sleep
from now on you will be known as Caro, she sources the forums
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20 year old girl to be more accurate. He wears more make up than Jack Nicholson did as the Joker.
nice one Wayne made me laugh
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Too many words to have this in my signature, but I'm shocked at this post.
After all the bagging you do of TW and you actually understand what the club is doing - that's deceitful ;D
dont give a crap what you put in your signiture Moi
l stand by what l say that Wallet willnot take us to a premiership cause his coaching methods are terrible & players are going BACKWARDS & STALE under him.
The only teams we are beating are the sides that are rebuilding themselves & the teams we were suppose to have better lists 4 years ago are top 3 sides now, we have taken wooden spoons 2004 & 2007 last year. What does that tell you. Wallet hated us as a player & come to our club for money & when that was no longer there off he went to Footscray, dont you remember. After he done what he did to them as a coach thinking $$$ again nobody wanted him as coach because of his greed so he opts to the media waiting, until wait. Richmond will pay him some huge ammount of money & give him 5 years & he knew it cause we were desperate before Geishein (cousin to my wife) Frawley given a 5 year contract after coaching Collingwood reserves so Wallet (open) ;D knows he will get what he wants a 5 years contract & open reign
TW has put us back years, who starts a rebuild halfway through his contract you tell me HELLO
who continuely swaps around Tivendale, Hyde, Pettifer, when you got others who can do the job better.
Who hangs onto players worth trading last year but has them playing Coburg & swaps them around trying to find a fix with old stock, does he not know a VFL player to a Elite AFL player or he is confused cause he played VFL so he probabaly think they are the same level now :rollin so please if you think l'm deceitful just read what l wrote here a few times it may sink in
your happy with Wallet just take a look at the ugly skills & the short game & turnover rate.
sending the message to close down games 10 minutes into the last quarter when we have control of the game & could have won them games by a good margin & boosted our percentage & our ladder posistion taking the preasure off the club because the media is smashing our moral
he said we were going to go long & direct before he walked in the door ;D does it take 4 years to teach that :rollin
Players are well educated how to play football in & through the zones well before they get to AFL, but through Wallet they seem to struggle with that why, you tell me you know everything about football why l bet you aint even played the game, infact l'm starting to believe your Caroline in disguise :lol
sorry this is so long to use in your signiture maybe you can take parts out of it & change it to suit yourself like your known to do too Jackstar. But its obvious that what l wrote above points to many things that have put the club backwards when our mighty club should be fighting for a finals spot with Hawthorn, Western Bulldogs, & St-Kilda who have worked out Fiora was a dud but we hold on to them types till they are worthless to trade & you call Wallace smart, His backline gameplan is NOT the best in the league :sleep
from now on you will be known as Caro, she sources the forums
Then why did you come out defending the club and having a go at Brereton. You should have been supporting him if you believe everything you've just written lol
Not going over the obvious - we've been there before so many times. I support Wallace and his changes to the list. I'm giving him another year to get the "kids" playing in a style of game that will win us finals.
And I'm not sure we're so far away from it this season. Been some good results this year. I think that's a great improvement on coming 16th.
But for Brereton to even put us in the same league as those competing for the premiership this year is nonsensical, given our young list. The fact we're still in it shows we are going in the right direction.
You certainly fooled me with your statements against Brereton that you saw that too. You're inconsistent, you change like the wind it seems going on these posts so how can anyone take you for real.
I'd be proud to be called Caro. She's got more balls than you or anyone around here.
But I'd be shooshing up if I was related to Gieschen :shh
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Then why did you come out defending the club and having a go at Brereton. You should have been supporting him if you believe everything you've just written lol
Not going over the obvious - we've been there before so many times. I support Wallace and his changes to the list. I'm giving him another year to get the "kids" playing in a style of game that will win us finals.
And I'm not sure we're so far away from it this season. Been some good results this year. I think that's a great improvement on coming 16th.
But for Brereton to even put us in the same league as those competing for the premiership this year is nonsensical, given our young list. The fact we're still in it shows we are going in the right direction.
You certainly fooled me with your statements against Brereton that you saw that too. You're inconsistent, you change like the wind it seems going on these posts so how can anyone take you for real.
I'd be proud to be called Caro. She's got more balls than you or anyone around here.
But I'd be shooshing up if I was related to Gieschen :shh
You skipped around all them reasons l gave, so just shows you ignore the problems at the club, you can support Wallet all you want he is changing you know, cause it took him all that time to realize he was doing things wrong
If things are turning for the better you be jumping saying see l was right, but in fact its taken him all this time to realize his mistakes, we should be in a better posistion than we really are & that spoon last year wouldnot be in the cabinet if he did it right when walking in the door the first time after being the media man saying he been watching Richmond from outside & knew what the problem were & what needed to be changed :rollin :rollin look at the skills & turnovers & game plan l think every club in the league has it posted on thier office wall for when they play us cause its 1 dementional.
Change like the wind do l :lol dont think so, l been very consistant with who l dont like at Tigerland & the problems but you seem to overlook them
Only reason we having a win is because he realized he was not playing the correct players & thats only been in the last month of matches, can you believe they flew Tivendale to WA :rollin :rollin they were seriously thinking of playing him. a Wallet decision again ;D Giesh haha dont like the man period but his a talker at family gatherings & his helping wreaking the game.
Bereton cant stand him as in the media but like the way he played, is the way l like football rough & tough not this peeing around stats stuff that means nothing to the game if your a Tiger supporter cause our lads have leather burns from overuse & aftershock from being trounced
Going in the right deriction you think Caro (Moi) l reckon she got balls ;D, 7 possies from a kickin & we were still in our back 50 ???, if we were so great on Sunday why did West Coast lead at 1/4 time ??? we were playing terrible football & thanks to them tanking we boosted our percentage, its the first time we beat them in so long l cant remember, probably explains why some of them lads like Kerr is so angry these days & another opted to retire
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You forgot Zac Dawson, mt. :D
He's been tearing it up since Clarkson "educated" him at full back a couple of seasons back. :whistle
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Dawson is 22 1/2 y.o and been on their list 5 years so I didn't think of him as a youngster anymore. I reckon he'll be delisted at the end of the year.
Yep played on Rocca the day puff puff had his best goal haul in AFL. No depth for the Hawks if they suffer a few key injuries.With regards to the Hawks Dermie would be much better off crooning along on the Singing Bee to the words of Talking Heads "We're on a road to nowhere" . :lol
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You skipped around all them reasons l gave
Sure did, and I'll skip 'em again.
You got a worse hatred than Jack and that's saying something.
There's no talking to someone like that, so I won't!
Enjoy this year and next with Terry at the helm and the club improving.
I find it hard to really understand how people can get joy out of us losing but there's an element on here that goes ecstatic over each loss and can't show joy in a win and then saying if we were that good how come WC were ahead of us in 1st quarter ::)
Youse are just spewing out hate-filled garbage that's not worth responding to.
You should know how I feel by now so as I said to X errr Shannon, just read my previous posts - nothing's changed!
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ah dermie
the biscuit munching steroid infested 45 yr old that keeps dressing as a 20yr old
the bloke who reckons aaron james was gunna be better than wayne carey.
wtf would he know :sleep
More than you.
Aaron James had serious knee injuries.
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Would think that Dermie is spot on in his assesment
Beleive that Glen Archer is correct as well
As for for Moi opinion of Wallet, can safely say he cannot coach and wont be taking RFC to a premiership,
His game plan revovles around a possesion game using smaller type players, thus his push to get McMahon and play Tambling week in week out. These players are too easily pushed aside when the ball is in dispute,
This game plan will not win you a premiership nor will it win you finals.Why do I bother posting here to morons ?????
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ah dermie
the biscuit munching steroid infested 45 yr old that keeps dressing as a 20yr old
the bloke who reckons aaron james was gunna be better than wayne carey.
wtf would he know :sleep
More than you.
Aaron James had serious knee injuries.
really :o
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Just shows what a D/head you really are.
Aaron James could play the game.
He knee was stuffed at AFL level.
You will find since leaving the AFL, he has kicked 100 goals in a season, 7 years straight, FACT.
Has recently been suspended and is now finished.
Blaisee, I wont reply to your posts anymore, you are an imbecile and will treat you like one :thumbsup :shh
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Just shows what a D/head you really are.
Aaron James could play the game.
He knee was stuffed at AFL level.
You will find since leaving the AFL, he has kicked 100 goals in a season, 7 years straight, FACT.
Has recently been suspended and is now finished.
Blaisee, I wont reply to your posts anymore, you are an imbecile and will treat you like one :thumbsup :shh
Is he better than Carey, Jack?
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If the Saints worked out Fiora was a dud then why did they trade for him off us while bypassing Simmo (a ruckman that they needed) and then hold onto Fiora for 4 years and counting.
As for holding onto player worth trading - Yep in the case of Schulz (only value to another club was he's a tall) but no one would touch the others.
I can handle people thinking Wallace is a dud coach but some of the arguments given for hating him have so many factual flaws you just treat it as a blind rant. Sure Wallace should have offloaded the same old failing senior players sooner but seriously to say Plough has sent us backwards is laughable given the club had the bottom of pants hanging out both on and off field when he arrived. We were making $2m losses and a list of Richo, Browny and a couple of others nearing the end and the rest of the list were middle footy age recycled duds with hardly any kids unlike the Hawks and Dogs who had a young core to build around. Whether Wallace is around or most likely not in 14 months time is irrelevant to the overall direction. The list is in far healthier state now than it was at the end of 2004 and it should be in a even better state at the end of next year. We are also making $1 million profits and now finally have some spare dollars to finally invest in the club both extra resources for the footy dept and infrastructure. Not sure how they are stale in only their 1st, 2nd or 3rd year at the club lol. Half the team on the weekend had played less than 50 games for crying out loud. As a new coach with a honeymoon period anyone would love to end up coaching us come 2010 and beyond.
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If the Saints worked out Fiora was a dud then why did they trade for him off us while bypassing Simmo (a ruckman that they needed) and then hold onto Fiora for 4 years and counting.
As for holding onto player worth trading - Yep in the case of Schulz (only value to another club was he's a tall) but no one would touch the others.
I can handle people thinking Wallace is a dud coach but some of the arguments given for hating him have so many factual flaws you just treat it as a blind rant. Sure Wallace should have offloaded the same old failing senior players sooner but seriously to say Plough has sent us backwards is laughable given the club had the bottom of pants hanging out both on and off field when he arrived. We were making $2m losses and a list of Richo, Browny and a couple of others nearing the end and the rest of the list were middle footy age recycled duds with hardly any kids unlike the Hawks and Dogs who had a young core to build around. Whether Wallace is around or most likely not in 14 months time is irrelevant to the overall direction. The list is in far healthier state now than it was at the end of 2004 and it should be in a even better state at the end of next year. We are also making $1 million profits and now finally have some spare dollars to finally invest in the club both extra resources for the footy dept and infrastructure. Not sure how they are stale in only their 1st, 2nd or 3rd year at the club lol. Half the team on the weekend had played less than 50 games for crying out loud. As a new coach with a honeymoon period anyone would love to end up coaching us come 2010 and beyond.
Having sat behind this idiot, he cant coach.
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Jacko I wanna support you on Aaron James but lets be honest he wasnt up to AFL standard.
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Jacko I wanna support you on Aaron James but lets be honest he wasnt up to AFL standard.
Ramps, he looked like he was going to be a superstar in his first year, thus Dermies comments. Went pick 35 in 1993 National Draft, remember him playing at the jets in 1992, he was going to be real good at the time, reckon the drink got to him as well, was wild..
Reckon that he towelled up Dermie in an intra club match at Vic Park in 1995, thus Dermies comments as well,
Its easy for people to bag James 15 years after he was drafted as they would of forgotten
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Just shows what a D/head you really are.
Aaron James could play the game.
He knee was stuffed at AFL level.
You will find since leaving the AFL, he has kicked 100 goals in a season, 7 years straight, FACT.
Has recently been suspended and is now finished.
Blaisee, I wont reply to your posts anymore, you are an imbecile and will treat you like one :thumbsup :shh
Is he better than Carey, Jack?
No he isnt for obivous reasons, he did his knee at 19
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laughable this forum lately
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Just shows what a D/head you really are.
Aaron James could play the game.
He knee was stuffed at AFL level.
You will find since leaving the AFL, he has kicked 100 goals in a season, 7 years straight, FACT.
Has recently been suspended and is now finished.
Blaisee, I wont reply to your posts anymore, you are an imbecile and will treat you like one :thumbsup :shh
Is he better than Carey, Jack?
No he isnt for obivous reasons, he did his knee at 19
James was never gonna be better than Carey, even as a promising youth.
That's my opinion and you said yours. We'll never know I guess.
Carey had obstacles along the way as well, shoulder injuries which I don't know how he played as well as he did with.
Not saying James didn't have the potential, but he would have had to have been darn good to be in the Carey league.
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Just shows what a D/head you really are.
Aaron James could play the game.
He knee was stuffed at AFL level.
You will find since leaving the AFL, he has kicked 100 goals in a season, 7 years straight, FACT.
Has recently been suspended and is now finished.
Blaisee, I wont reply to your posts anymore, you are an imbecile and will treat you like one :thumbsup :shh
Is he better than Carey, Jack?
No he isnt for obivous reasons, he did his knee at 19
James was never gonna be better than Carey, even as a promising youth.
That's my opinion and you said yours. We'll never know I guess.
Carey had obstacles along the way as well, shoulder injuries which I don't know how he played as well as he did with.
Not saying James didn't have the potential, but he would have had to have been darn good to be in the Carey league.
Moi, did you ever see him play as a junior ? No i thought not.
He was as good, if not better than Brad Johnson at the Western Jets, One made it successful, Aarron didnt end of story
Can even remember Shannon Grant playing with him
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Moi, did you ever see him play as a junior ? No i thought not.
He was as good, if not better than Brad Johnson at the Western Jets, One made it successful, Aarron didnt end of story
We're comparing him to Carey, Jack!
I saw Carey as a junior and he was outstanding then as well.
No, I didn't see James as a kid, and I'm not saying he wasn't destined for great things hadn't injury stopped him, but we're comparing him to the best in the business and we'll never ever know.
I'd rather err on the side of someone who has the record than someone who might have been.
Good to see him still playing well and enjoying his footy though :thumbsup
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Jacko I wanna support you on Aaron James but lets be honest he wasnt up to AFL standard.
Ramps, he looked like he was going to be a superstar in his first year, thus Dermies comments. Went pick 35 in 1993 National Draft, remember him playing at the jets in 1992, he was going to be real good at the time, reckon the drink got to him as well, was wild..
Reckon that he towelled up Dermie in an intra club match at Vic Park in 1995, thus Dermies comments as well,
Its easy for people to bag James 15 years after he was drafted as they would of forgotten
I think you're thinking of his 2nd year Jack ('95). James only played 2 games in his first year for 0 and 8 disposals. I wouldn't compare him to Carey even as a youngster. Carey was kicking bags of goals even in his 2nd year. James was a dud/headcase after he returned from injury in '97 followed by 3 years with us :P.
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Moi, did you ever see him play as a junior ? No i thought not.
He was as good, if not better than Brad Johnson at the Western Jets, One made it successful, Aarron didnt end of story
We're comparing him to Carey, Jack!
I saw Carey as a junior and he was outstanding then as well.
No, I didn't see James as a kid, and I'm not saying he wasn't destined for great things hadn't injury stopped him, but we're comparing him to the best in the business and we'll never ever know.
I'd rather err on the side of someone who has the record than someone who might have been.
Good to see him still playing well and enjoying his footy though :thumbsup
He got a life suspension last I heard
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Under the AFL Victoria guidelines, any player who accumulates 16 weeks' suspension during a senior career is automatically deregistered and not allowed to re-register in any affiliated league ever again.
Aaron James went over when he was suspended earlier this year on charges of striking and misconduct. I think he hit a spectator. :help
He copped 15 matches in 2006 for using abusive and threatening language towards an umpire and threatening behaviour towards an umpire. He was also charged with spitting at a spectator and striking a spectator but got off. When the tribunal suspended him he threw chairs and abused the tribunal members. :wallywink
I still remember Collingwood getting rid of him after he peed on a couple of girls on the dancefloor at a nightclub.
Good footballer. Good at being an imbecile.
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;D poor aaron he did go off the rails his finished
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Brereton is a mid life crisis in slow motion. ;D
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Brereton is a mid life crisis in slow motion. ;D
lol
classic.....true too :lol
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Everyone has an opinion on Aaron James and that's fine.
I personally did not see him as a junior but footballers careers are judged on not what they do at TAC level but what they do at AFL level. For Aaron unfortunantely that amounts to not much even though he may have been more talented at 16-17 than others whose longevity now cannot be questioned and that's where the old footy analogy talented but................ comes in to practice. Alas I remember him as a dud at the Pies and an even bigger dud with us. Remember a game in 1998 lucidly on a Friday night against the Pies where he looked lost and the Rocca boys absolutely gave him a bath. The Rocca boys kicked 10 between them so from my point of view he was crap but as a question for all in relation to the point Jack Moi FF MT Ramps and others have
made to this thread who was a btter player Allen or Glen Jakovich or should I ask who was more talented. Talent may not get you end result if the head aint screwed on to the shoulders properly or tightly enough or there aint nothing between the ears.
As for Dermie issues with his age toughness masculinity frailty image have all started to kick in and all of a sudden he has become an old timer reminiscing and rambling on about things that mean sweet fa going off in tangents that are relative to nothing. Its time for the Dermie puppy to be put to sleep.
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Allen Jakovitch was a better talented player than his brother , but hos brother achieved more. His off field antics were a disgrace and he left a trail of distruction, too Glens credit, he actually covered for his brother ;)
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potential and 4$ will get you a cup of coffee
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Brereton had the illustrious honour of being the only player ever to get a name plate in the judiciary car park. :lol If you qualify a good player based on their all round performance as a footballer, Brereton would lose out hands down. He had good skills but he was hot headed, undisciplined and a show pony. If he were at any other club than Hawthorn who at the time had an array of stars to cover his repeated suspensions, he would have been a liability.
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Brereton had the illustrious honour of being the only player ever to get a name plate in the judiciary car park. :lol If you qualify a good player based on their all round performance as a footballer, Brereton would lose out hands down. He had good skills but he was hot headed, undisciplined and a show pony. If he were at any other club than Hawthorn who at the time had an array of stars to cover his repeated suspensions, he would have been a liability.
Yeah and that Leigh Matthews was also a liability for Hawthorn, what with all those suspensions etc....
You can knock Dermie as a bloke or a commentator or whatever, but not as a footballer when he wore a Hawthorn jumper.
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Brereton had the illustrious honour of being the only player ever to get a name plate in the judiciary car park. :lol If you qualify a good player based on their all round performance as a footballer, Brereton would lose out hands down. He had good skills but he was hot headed, undisciplined and a show pony. If he were at any other club than Hawthorn who at the time had an array of stars to cover his repeated suspensions, he would have been a liability.
Yeah and that Leigh Matthews was also a liability for Hawthorn, what with all those suspensions etc....
You can knock Dermie as a bloke or a commentator or whatever, but not as a footballer when he wore a Hawthorn jumper.
Well 1980 please enlighten me. How do their suspension records compare?? You certainly can't compare them as players. Matthews was a VFL legend and is a multiple Premiership winning coach.
Leigh Matthews
Career: 1969-85
Games: 332. Goals: 915
Dermott Brereton
Career: 1982-1992
Games: 189. Goals: 427
As you can see, there is daylight between Matthews and Brereton. I'd say to rack up 332 games in a career suggests that he wasn't off the park for too long. Apples with apples. ::)
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Just shows what a D/head you really are.
Aaron James could play the game.
He knee was stuffed at AFL level.
You will find since leaving the AFL, he has kicked 100 goals in a season, 7 years straight, FACT.
Has recently been suspended and is now finished.
Blaisee, I wont reply to your posts anymore, you are an imbecile and will treat you like one :thumbsup :shh
typical predictable jack
Gets owned on another thread, starts with childish name-calling and then takes his bat and ball and goes home.
I couldnt give two hoots what you did jack, and you know what, neither does the rfc ;)
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;D poor aaron he did go off the rails his finished
anyone that thinks that aaron james would be better than carey is just football incompetent, or attention seeking.
He was a promising junior, with genuine afl talent, he was never elite, hence his draft position.
Carey dominated the junior carnival as a 16 yr old, absolutely no comparison.
No suprise that Jack, agrees with dermie either. Both are attention seeking whores , and both are football incompetent. Maybe they are the same person. ;) James better than Carey, what an absolute Joke, knee injury or no knee injury :banghead ridiculous
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Yeah and that Leigh Matthews was also a liability for Hawthorn, what with all those suspensions etc....
You can knock Dermie as a bloke or a commentator or whatever, but not as a footballer when he wore a Hawthorn jumper.
Good post & true, nobody can knock Dermie for his career at Hawthorn for 10 years work & his trophy cabinet tells many stories, His onfield ability playing CHF, one of hardest positions on the ground in his day & those knocks he copped & gave out, a man who never stepped back when flying the flag. you have to admire someones footballing ability. Knowing 100% he was there to protect his teammates would have been great to play in a team with him.
He was so hard at the game that l have no doubt, cut his career short at Hawthorn & they knew this & also knew he was not worth the big money anymore & let him go which l believe was a good buisness decision. His career went down after that because he struggled with his body.
My mate played alongside him for many years & also in the 1885 Grand Final lose to Essendon & his told me many stories of what a great footballer he was.
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;D poor aaron he did go off the rails his finished
anyone that thinks that aaron james would be better than carey is just football incompetent, or attention seeking.
He was a promising junior, with genuine afl talent, he was never elite, hence his draft position.
Carey dominated the junior carnival as a 16 yr old, absolutely no comparison.
No suprise that Jack, agrees with dermie either. Both are attention seeking whores , and both are football incompetent. Maybe they are the same person. ;) James better than Carey, what an absolute Joke, knee injury or no knee injury :banghead ridiculous
l dont see anywhere in my post that l mentioned Carey or compared him with James
l'm struggling to work you out Blaisee, you Quote my post but ramble on as your talking to Jackstar :rollin
l'm not Jackstar & l noticed you have quoted my posts a few times & spoke about what jackstar is saying :lol
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;D poor aaron he did go off the rails his finished
anyone that thinks that aaron james would be better than carey is just football incompetent, or attention seeking.
He was a promising junior, with genuine afl talent, he was never elite, hence his draft position.
Carey dominated the junior carnival as a 16 yr old, absolutely no comparison.
No suprise that Jack, agrees with dermie either. Both are attention seeking whores , and both are football incompetent. Maybe they are the same person. ;) James better than Carey, what an absolute Joke, knee injury or no knee injury :banghead ridiculous
what junior carnival,not the national he was good but not brilliant.
he dominated the schoolboys carnival.