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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Francois Jackson on July 19, 2008, 06:07:47 PM
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Personally i think he showed a great deal of maturity and composure in what he did today..
One must remember that it was the BOMBERS and Sheedy that introduced this icing of the clock.
It was so sweet that he did it against the bombers and well within the rules.
Well done!!
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Posted in the other thread, he only did it because there weren't other options. It was either a rushed behind or a long kick to a contest with the big chance of a turnover.
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there is no incident, we won they lost, the end. they would have done the same if they were in the same position.
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It was good thinking rather than kick to a 50-50.
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I totally agree with Ramps.
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I sure wish he'd let us in on his plans tho lol...phew! :gotigers
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Opposition were dumb, they should of stood 5 metres from the square and made the umpire pay a 50 metre penalty, footballers are dumb. Joel would have then been made to kick 50 metres up the ground.
Whats we seen today wont happen again, the opposition will simply give away 50 if it was to happen twice in a row
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Royal defends clock-watch tactics
richmondfc.com.au
By Mic Cullen
7:06 PM Sat 19 July, 2008
RICHMOND assistant coach Brian Royal has defended the way the Tigers iced the clock in the dying moments of the club's nail-biting four-point win over Essendon at the MCG on Saturday.
With just minutes to go, the Tigers led by 10 points, but four Essendon misses got the margin down to one straight kick. Joel Bowden rushed a behind, then after standing in the goal square until told to play-on, stepped back over the line to rush another behind, eating up enough time to win the game.
While the events are sure to reignite the debate over whether deliberately rushed behinds should be worth three points, as they are in the NAB Cup in the pre-season, Royal said he was more than happy with the way Bowden handled the situation.
"It just shows the experience of Joel Bowden," he said after the match.
"Joel was on the bench and came on with I think two or three minutes to go – he knew how long there was left in the game.
"We thought it was fantastic, what Joel did. If you're going to ice the clock, we knew if you're going to lose by one point, or if you're going to lose by five points, what's the difference?
"I just spoke to Joel then – he was prepared to do it a couple more times. I think we iced it for 45 seconds that way.
"We're about winning four points, and if it's doing what Joel did … I mean, it's smart play. You couldn't tell me if Essendon were in the same position, they wouldn't have done the same thing."
Ruckman Troy Simmonds was terrific all day, and he said he was thrilled Bowden was back on the ground for the last minute.
"I was glad the ball was in his hands – he's got a good head on him, Joel, and he's very experienced," he said.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsId=63709
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I was counting it down we still had 4 chances left - lmfaomfsh
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I don't know why we are even discussing this. Any other club does it, its called smart play. We do it and it's called an incident. Everything Joel did was within the rules so what's the kerfuffle? We won and in all honesty IDGAF!!! Go Tiges!! Wonder how those cocky Bummer supporters are feeling tonight?? Probably whingeing about their injuries, the umpires and Joel! Doesn't get much better than that!!! :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
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Bowden was still a major reason for the slow down in Q3 which lost us all our momentum.
He had options down field but didn't even look, just stopped and kicked sideways.
Was very noticeable
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Opposition were dumb, they should of stood 5 metres from the square and made the umpire pay a 50 metre penalty, footballers are dumb. Joel would have then been made to kick 50 metres up the ground.
Whats we seen today wont happen again, the opposition will simply give away 50 if it was to happen twice in a row
Disagree, a 50m penalty creates space as it would open up the defensive 50 for a backwards chip.
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I love how Essendon supporters are so cut over this given under Sheedy they were the first to do the keepings off crap. They had no problems with the "spirit of the game" in the first half and at the end of the 3rd quarter chipping it sideways and backwards ::). Smart play by Joel :thumbsup and a sweet bit of Karma! :lol
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I love how Essendon supporters are so cut over this given under Sheedy they were the first to do the keepings off crap. They had no problems with the "spirit of the game" in the first half and at the end of the 3rd quarter chipping it sideways and backwards ::). Smart play by Joel :thumbsup and a sweet bit of Karma! :lol
MT i could not agree with you more.
I cant tell you how good i was feeling listening to all those bomber supporters calling up SEN bagging bowden and the spirit of the game.
Those scumbags under sheeds started this poo so that makes it even more odd they would go on about it
Personally to beat the bombers is just a great feeling, but to win with Bowden doing what he did actually makes the win all the more sweeter.
I love hearing those whingers crap on...
I got one word for them. KARMA!!!
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We should of done it against the Dogs when we were 18 points up. We would have won by about 7 and had 2 more premiership points. Let the Bombers suffer since when have they done anything in the spirit of the game and all that who ha b/s. The game is about winning footy matches and you do so in any way within the rules no matter what. Joel was very very very smart. :thumbsup
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JOEL BOWDEN SAVED THE DAY AGAIN :lol :rollin :rollin :rollin ONTO 300 GAMES THANKS MATE
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When the siren went I'm going TM is going to drool over Joel tonight on OER lol.
MT i could not agree with you more.
I cant tell you how good i was feeling listening to all those bomber supporters calling up SEN bagging bowden and the spirit of the game.
Those scumbags under sheeds started this poo so that makes it even more odd they would go on about it
Personally to beat the bombers is just a great feeling, but to win with Bowden doing what he did actually makes the win all the more sweeter.
I love hearing those whingers crap on...
I got one word for them. KARMA!!!
:thumbsup
I listened to SEN too on the train home. The Trevor Chappell underarm comparisons were hilarious.
I liked the Tiger supporter who rang up because he only heard that Bowden had done something dreadful and he thought that meant Joel had stuffed up and caused us to lose. When he found out what had really happened and we had won he thought Joel was a legend ;D.
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When the siren went I'm going TM is going to drool over Joel tonight on OER lol.
can tell ya l was emotionaly zapped like Joel
dont know what anyone or who thought maybe Robert Walls said thank eff Joel was playing
l hope you guys/gals appreciate what this win means to me personally & those who know me personally the battle ahead
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can tell ya l was emotionaly zapped like Joel
Those last 5 minutes emotionally zapped everybody :P lol. The final siren mood was as much relief as joy that we had won.
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Coaches support Bowden's tactics
Chloe Saltau | The Age | July 20, 2008
JOEL Bowden was perfectly entitled to kill time by rushing behinds in the closing seconds of Richmond's four-point victory over a gallant Essendon at the MCG, according to his former Punt Road teammate, Bombers coach Matthew Knights.
Bowden's contentious tactics dominated discussion after the Bombers, down to 19 men from early in the third quarter, missed several chances and then were frustrated as the Tiger veteran wound down the clock.
Bowden found allies in both Knights and Richmond assistant coach Brian Royal, who was sharing the coaching duties with an ailing Terry Wallace and angrily rejected suggestions he had not played in the spirit of the game.
In fact, Royal thought it was "fantastic" that Bowden used his immense experience to sum up the situation when he came back on the ground with three minutes remaining and Essendon within two kicks of victory.
After a Brent Stanton miss made the difference six points, Bowden twice conceded rushed behinds rather than bring the ball back into play.
"If you're going to ice the clock … if you're going to lose by one point or five points, what's the difference?" Royal said. "I just spoke to Joel then, he was prepared to do it a couple of more times. I think we iced it for 45 seconds that way," Royal said.
"You can make it a rift if you want to make it a rift. We're about winning four points, and if it's doing what Joel did … that's smart play. You couldn't tell me that if Essendon were in the same position they wouldn't have done the same thing."
Judging by Knights' reaction, Royal was right. The Essendon coach remained calm in the coach's box and said Bowden was within his rights. Knights was more concerned about the Bombers' wasted chances, after Jason Laycock kicked 1.3 in the last quarter.
"Joel did what he had to do to win the game," he said. "We were pressing. We had three or four shots in the last four or five minutes. I just felt if we could get the ball back in play we might have another opportunity to score. Good play by Joel Bowden.
"I could tell what he was doing after he did the first one and I knew time was going to be chewed up. It was out my hands at that stage so I was reasonably calm. When you get opportunities you've got to take them yourself, and we did have those opportunities."
While Richmond's seventh win of the season keeps it in touch with the top eight, the Bombers are facing an injury crisis with potentially only 26 fit players to choose from for next Saturday's match against Collingwood.
Dustin Fletcher withdrew with an ankle injury, joining key players Mark McVeigh (knee) and Andrew Lovett (suspension) on the sidelines. In-form tagger Andrew Welsh was concussed in the first quarter, while Angus Monfries and Jay Neagle both injured ankles and, along with Fletcher, will have scans tomorrow.
However, Knights refused to make excuses for the last-quarter fade, after his team went into the last break leading by four points.
"The second half with 19 (fit players) was gallant, and they certainly played better football in the second half with 19 than in the first with 22, which was not ideal," he said.
"I don't care if we're down to 16 or 17. When you're there to win the game with 10 minutes to go, that's a disappointing loss. You're there to get the chocolates and have a win. No excuses. We were down to 19, that was a fact. We just had to deal with it."
It was the Tigers' second win without champion Matthew Richardson, but Royal was not ready to discuss finals.
"We've got Brisbane next week, we've just gotta keep knocking 'em over. Now whether that becomes a finals appearance, we don't know," he said.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/coaches-support-bowdens-tactics/2008/07/19/1216163236087.html
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Snippet from the media-articles thread:
Essendon fans slam Richmond player Joel Bowden's tactic
Ken Piesse | Herald-Sun | July 20, 2008
RICHMOND is bristling at accusations Joel Bowden had acted in an unsporting manner by deliberately wasting time as the Tigers beat Essendon.
Coming off the bench with two minutes to go, Bowden coolly rushed consecutive points to chew up vital time and repel a late Essendon charge.
Indignant Essendon supporters jammed talkback radio last night, accusing Bowden of poor sportsmanship and asking for the rules to be changed.
One said Bowden had brought the game into disrepute.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24047856-19742,00.html
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I cant tell you how good i was feeling listening to all those bomber supporters calling up SEN bagging bowden and the spirit of the game.
It wasn't just good Daniel, it was hystercial. It happened on the ABC too, who by the way they were carrying on you'd think Joel had just started WW3 ;D
One caller rang up and said he hoped Joel was going to be able to live with the fact that although he won the game he didn't play within he spirit if the game which is of much greater importance...... Seriously ::) ::) does this chap think that in a Grand final with 20 seconds to go and your up by a point someone else wont do the same thing - give me a break
Simply Essendon were dumb dumb and dumber.... they wasted as much tome as Bowden by not going at him ...they stood there.. :rollin
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If Essendon had kicked a goal instead of a point Bowden doesn't get to run time off the clock
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I cant tell you how good i was feeling listening to all those bomber supporters calling up SEN bagging bowden and the spirit of the game.
It wasn't just good Daniel, it was hystercial. It happened on the ABC too, who by the way they were carrying on you'd think Joel had just started WW3 ;D
One caller rang up and said he hoped Joel was going to be able to live with the fact that although he won the game he didn't play within he spirit if the game which is of much greater importance...... Seriously ::) ::) does this chap think that in a Grand final with 20 seconds to go and your up by a point someone else wont do the same thing - give me a break
Simply Essendon were dumb dumb and dumber.... they wasted as much tome as Bowden by not going at him ...they stood there.. :rollin
dumb, dumb and dumber = jason laycock...
hahaha he brings the word clumsy and unco to a whole new level
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Laycock, yet an imposter who plays AFL football, similar to Schulz lol. Laycock, not up too it
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At the end of the third quarter the Bombers iced the clock by kicking it backwards and forwards to each other, with Tony Shaw saying good play, you don't want the Tiges to score at this late stage.
What's good for the goose .....
:gotigers
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Laycock, yet an imposter who plays AFL football, similar to Schulz lol. Laycock, not up too it
no word of a lie Jack but i had 3 bomber mates sitting behind me and every time laycock touched the ball they would yell out schulz and every time schulz touched the ball i would yell out laycock.
schulz showed nothing yesterday to change my stance on him..
Trade him out of our club at the end of the year..
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JOEL BOWDEN SAVED THE DAY AGAIN :lol :rollin :rollin :rollin ONTO 300 GAMES THANKS MATE
How did I know this post was coming!! ;D ;D
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can tell ya l was emotionaly zapped like Joel
Those last 5 minutes emotionally zapped everybody :P lol. The final siren mood was as much relief as joy that we had won.
tigermonk was more emotionally zapped than anyone at the mightytiges. not only did he lose a great mate is woosha, but as he said in his beautiful tribute to welsh, he is suffering from the exact same illness.
keep your head up tigermonk!
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BOWDEN BOWDEN BOWDEN BOWDEN BOWDEN BOWDEN :thumbsup
:gotigers
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At the end of the third quarter the Bombers iced the clock by kicking it backwards and forwards to each other, with Tony Shaw saying good play, you don't want the Tiges to score at this late stage.
What's good for the goose .....
:gotigers
They did it also at the end of the second when they were 4 goals down. :lol Morons. :lol
Now they complain. Even bigger morons. :lol
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Yeh...thank God Joel is instinctively a lazy,sneaky prick....
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Whoever wrote the match report for the game I saw in the Hun today had a massive chip on their shouler about it in their report.
All about Joels play in a negative light and Essendons injuries.
Essendon supporter perhaps? ;D ;D :cheers
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Whoever wrote the match report for the game I saw in the Hun today had a massive chip on their shouler about it in their report.
All about Joels play in a negative light and Essendons injuries.
Essendon supporter perhaps? ;D ;D :cheers
Rohan Connolly as a bombers man did the same thing in the Age. All conveniently forgetting the side that won won 3 of the 4 quarters and as coming back from Perth on a 6 day break and no Richo. The fact the Bomber fans are whinging is making the win even more sweeter :thumbsup.
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Bowden's ploy 'smart', says Roos
Michael Gleeson | July 21, 2008
JOEL Bowden's rushing of two behinds to run down the clock in Richmond's four-point win over Essendon on Saturday, was smart football by a smart footballer, Sydney coach Paul Roos said yesterday.
"If I was standing there as Terry Wallace, I would have been really pleased with the way he handled himself," Roos said.
Bowden wasted precious seconds by twice hanging on to the ball as long as possible and then walking the ball over the goal line for rushed Essendon behinds to prevent the Bombers getting one last chance at winning possession.
"We talk about leadership at footy clubs and about handling yourself under pressure. For a player to be able to think through a situation — they are the rules, he is not exploiting any rule, he is playing the game and trying to win the game of footy. I thought it was outstanding leadership, outstanding footy smarts by Joel Bowden," Roos said.
But rather than instruct defenders to follow suit, Roos said it would more likely inspire opposition coaches to teach players to infringe at the kick-in to give away a 50-metre penalty or a free kick up the field to ensure the ball was brought into play.
But Essendon's injured midfielder Mark McVeigh took exception to the time-soaking tactics and suggested that the introduction of three-point rushed behinds into the AFL premiership season would be timely.
"That was really frustrating because with the rule that we have in the pre-season the three-point rule may be looked at," McVeigh told the Seven Network.
"I don't agree with that (Bowden's tactics), that you can just keep running the ball through. You've got to get the ball back into play. It was disappointing and frustrating, as a supporter and as a player, to watch."
Teammate Scott Lucas was also frustrated by the stalling, but credited his opponent for smart play.
"It was frustrating for us but smart play by Joel Bowden," Lucas told the Nine Network.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/bowdens-ploy-smart-says-roos/2008/07/20/1216492256927.html
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Three points for rushed behind to melt the ice
Rohan Connolly | July 21, 2008
YOU knew as Joel Bowden cleverly soaked up the precious 28 seconds left on the clock on Saturday that we were going to be talking about it for some time afterwards.
And so we need to. While protracted debate on the odd quirk in games of football can be tedious, Bowden's two rushed behinds that assured Richmond of its win over Essendon raises some serious issues. The Tigers were six points up when it happened. Say there'd been three or so minutes left on the clock. The canny Tiger could theoretically have kicked to himself then walked back through the goals five times and taken 180-odd seconds off the clock. Smart tactics, certainly. A good look for the game? Absolutely not.
Already, the suggestions are flying thick and fast. You could legislate to prevent the player kicking-in from moving backwards. Outlaw altogether the capacity for him to play on. Start the time clock again only when a second player has touched the ball. Etc., etc.
Personally, I prefer the perhaps more dramatic route of implementing the NAB Cup rule of three points for a rushed behind. That, at least, would have limited Bowden to doing it once. It may also curtail the increasing willingness of defenders to concede behinds in general play.
Think how often now you see a backman up to 20 metres from goal handball or even kick a score for the opposition in order to "get out of jail" or merely just begin another set-play kick-out routine.
But something, surely, has to be done. Now it's happened in a tight game, and knowing not only the frequency of close finishes but the capacity of football to ape innovation, the chance of plenty of recurrences is more than scaremongering. If we're going to continue to talk about changes such as not paying marks for kicks backwards behind centre in an attempt to make it harder to "ice" the clock, this anomaly is even more pressing.
At least when defenders kick the ball around to each other, there's some sort of football skill being executed. What Bowden was able to do involved no one else, and nothing more than a tap from foot to hand before walking backwards a few steps.
In an on-going debate about the attractiveness of the game, the rushed behinds stood out like the sorest of thumbs.
Good luck to Bowden for having the brain to carry it out. And good luck to Richmond for hanging on to the match points, which they probably deserved anyway. But clever though it all was, it wasn't football. It wasn't even sport at all, for that matter.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/three-points-for-rushed-behind-to-melt-the-ice/2008/07/20/1216492256930.html
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From the Herald Sun
Richmond's Joel Bowden a great leader: Paul Roos
Mark Robinson and Jon Ralph | July 21, 2008 12:00am
COACHES Paul Roos and Brett Ratten have praised Richmond's Joel Bowden for his leadership in the dying moments on Saturday. The coaches comments were made yesterday as opinions remain divided on the Tiger's controversial time-wasting move.
After Essendon midfielder Mark McVeigh yesterday called on the AFL to consider a deliberate rushed-behind rule, Roos and Ratten had no issue with the tactic.
"He (Bowden) is a really smart footballer, and if I was sitting there as (Richmond coach) Terry Wallace, I would have been really pleased with the way he handled himself,'' Roos said.
"We talk about leadership at a footy club, we talk about handling yourself under pressure. For a player to be able to think through a situation like that . . .
"I thought it was outstanding leadership, I thought it was outstanding footy.''
Carlton coach Brett Ratten agreed.
"If you win the game, and that is what it requires, he didn't hit anyone or do anything outside the rules. It was just smart play and all credit to him,'' Ratten said.
Bowden twice wound down the clock against Essendon by retreating over the goal line, burning valuable seconds before finding Jordan McMahon as the siren sounded.
It was a high-risk strategy, as Bowden reduced a six-point margin to just four as he took 26 seconds off the clock.
Jake King's identical ploy against the Bulldogs in Round 5 eventually cost the Tigers two premiership points in a drawn game.
Bowden had left the interchange bench with 4min 33sec remaining, but could not have known exactly how much time was remaining.
The football world was broadly supportive of Bowden's decision yesterday, but the injured McVeigh said it was a bad look for the game.
"I was sitting watching and it was really frustrating. I feel that, with the rule they have in the pre-season, the three-point rule, maybe we have to look at it,'' McVeigh said.
"I don't agree with that, that you have to just keep running the ball through. You have got to get the ball back into play. It was disappointing and frustrating as a supporter and as a player to watch.''
The NAB Cup rule - which penalises teams three points for a deliberately rushed behind -- clearly has an effect.
In the 2008 pre-season competition there was an average of 1.7 rushed behinds (13 deliberate in 15 games), yet the tally balloons 70 per cent to 2.9 a game in the home-and-away season.
Scott Lucas, who played on Bowden late in the game, said he had no issue with the Richmond defender's tactics.
"It was frustrating for us, but smart play by Joel,'' Lucas told Channel 9.
"We are there to win - there were some (Essendon radio) callers that were a bit disappointed that was the finish to the game, but I'm sure all the Richmond supporters went home happy that they won as a result.''
While Essendon could have given away a free kick upfield to get the ball back into play, McVeigh told Channel 7 the Bombers had not considered that strategy.
"You probably don't think about that when you are playing. We don't like to give away free kicks, but it is something you don't practise at training. You practise zones, you don't worry about player running the ball through,'' McVeigh said.
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HOW IT UNFOLDED
53sec: Essendon's Brent Stanton marks, but takes 21sec for an errant shot at goal that puts Essendon six points down.
28sec: By the time the clock ticks down, Jay Schulz kicks out from goal with 28sec left. He finds Bowden at 26sec, stationed 35m out from goal. Bowden gradually retreats and assesses his options until he rushes his first behind, as he is chased by Bomber Kyle Reimers.
10sec: Bowden holds the ball aloft in the goalsquare, then kicks to himself with 10sec left. Then as he is pressured by Reimers, he handballs through the goals with 6sec left. By the time the umpire signals and the clock is stopped, only 2sec remain.
2sec: Bowden finally finds Jordan McMahon with a kick 20m out. McMahon plays on but the siren sounds, giving Richmond the win.
THE RULES
Bowden must play on - only by kicking the ball to himself - for the clock to re-start, thereby wasting time on the clock.
If Bowden had simply handballed the ball back over the line from the kick-in without playing on, no time would have elapsed and a bounce at the top of the goal square would have resulted.
THE SOLUTIONS
In the pre-season competition a deliberately rushed behind (judged by the umpires) results in a three-point penalty.
The AFL is determined not to alter the game's scoring system, which leaves two options.
1) If a player deliberately rushes a behind, the score to the opposition counts, then the ball is bounced at the top of the goalsquare, or 15-20m out. It takes away the advantage of rushing a behind then retaining possession for an attacking thrust, or time-wasting option.
2) If a player deliberately rushes a behind, the score counts, then the opposition is awarded a set shot at goal from a point between 20-40m out.
It is the more drastic option, but would ensure players did everything in their power to avoid a rushed point.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24049578-19742,00.html (http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24049578-19742,00.html)
Essendon supporters should be more angry at Stanton missing the goal which would have avoided the whole situation.
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Yeh...thank God Joel is instinctively a lazy,sneaky prick....
His coach has great faith in him like most Richmond supporters do
his role is to help win games, he did that & is why Wallet sends him to the backline in the dying moments minutes he knew who would stop the wave of attacks. The Richmond backline was spent & the young blokes needed someone who could do the job Joel Bowden did it & the way he did it made it all the more memorable. Essendon & thier scummy whinging fans wont forget that in a hurry :lol it will be forever brought up when the 2 teams meet & have close matches.
Dont foget the great goal Joel kicked & the goals his helped setup. Joel Bowden is a very required player in the Richmond side & l dont see you bagging out Browny who stopped chasing & got blasted for being peeweak
Players had another bad 3rd quarter & need to work on putting teams away instead of thinking they have it won when they aint. Joel made a bad mistake but he is always called to the backline to help out when he should be playing up forward like the coach promised. We have a problem coming out of the backline & until that is fixed, Richmond will always struggle. Hail Joel Bowden he saved our asses :thumbsup give him credit cause alot of great footballers think his very smart in what he did & how do you know his coach didnot tell him to do what he did in icing Essendon haha
Maybe Terry will tell you on Tuesday ;D
Richmond has a backline in the making, we cannot expect miricales, Moore off his feet is doing a great job & can get better, This lad has really shook off his injuries & is showing why he was kept on the list. Thursfields lack of match time in the last month took its toll, & McGuane played superb & was spent. Shulzs playing well in a backline role was spent will only get better & Newmans game & style has lifted in the past few months was spent. McMahon was spent had a good game & is blending in well, & until them lads get it all together & workout a plan & practice it to come out of the backline & change the dynamics of the Richmond backline game plan will release Joel ever going back there & a new Richmond will be born.
Also dont take nothing away from Essendon who played & foughtout the game cause they have been on a role & the beat a good Brisbane side last week, something we must now do ourselves cause they willnot give up a spot in the finals lightly & alot of them premiership players will lift cause they know whats at stake
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one thing l forget, The footballing world mainly them dickwit AFL bosses will be looking to change the rules now so this will never happen again, but it willnot solve anything as the smart footballers & coaches will find many other ways to ice the clock. If a new rule is put in place everytime something is created then football as a game is lost & people wont want to watch it
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I think it did come from the coaches box.
I was watching from the Punt road end behind the goals and a runner was just outside the 50 on the stuff, I couldnt tell if it was a Don or Tiger but he was on the same side as Bowden before the lead to Schulz and the mark.
The tactic started from there.
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Maybe the AFL will completely overeact and bring in a paper notes and rushed behind steward system.
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Mike Sheahan's view
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Rushing roulette: a mark on the game's integrity
Mike Sheahan | July 21, 2008 12:00am
JOEL Bowden has rekindled memories of Trevor Chappell and cricket's day of infamy at the MCG.
Just like Chappell in the underarm incident all those years ago, Bowden didn't break a rule on Saturday.
Yet, surely, he breached the spirit of the game.
While the Richmond veteran successfully executed what he deemed necessary to save the game against Essendon, the game suffered in the process.
He deliberately conceded two behinds after shaping to kick in, running down the clock against Essendon, with the Tigers eventually winning by four points.
Bowden achieved his aim - as the reluctant Chappell did in a one-day game against New Zealand - but the game is dimin Related LinksHigh praise: Bowden a great leader, says Roos
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ished as a result.
The rushed behind has been a blight on football for 20 years; it is an affliction that must be remedied by the AFL.
How farcical will it look if Bowden's behaviour is replicated on Grand Final day?
The 2005 Grand Final was won by four points. It was saved by Leo Barry's mark, not by stuff Barry taking refuge behind the goal-line to run down the clock.
Cricket changed a rule to ban a repeat of Chappell's underarm delivery, and football must do the same with the rushed behind.
The excitement when players are competing for a loose ball close to goal must be protected. If players want to take the negative choice, they should pay the price.
It could be the three-point penalty that applies in the pre-season competition, a ball-up at the top of the goal-square, a free kick at a designated hot-spot, say, 25m in front of goal.
I'm for the hot-spot. It doesn't compromise the traditional scoring system, it requires the recipient to perform a testing skill to earn the reward on offer, and, most important, it provides the necessary deterrent.
Football is the game it is because of the emphasis on skill and attack; you win because you've been more enterprising, more productive.
Test cricket almost died because some countries adopted the philosophy it was more important to save games than take risks trying to win.
It has been saved by the change in attitude generated by the one-day game, where pursuing victory is the only option.
If you barrack for Richmond, you won't have a problem with Bowden's tactic on Saturday; if your primary interest is the game itself - as it must be for the AFL - action is imperative between seasons.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24049571-19742,00.html
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I wasn't a fan of what happened, but it was an anomoly and some of the ideas to counteract it are way over the top.
Talk about chicken little syndrome
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Joel Bowden: smartest man in the AFL
Herald-Sun blog
Captain Blood, Richmond Tigers
Sunday, July 20, 2008 at 04:29pm
Anyone who wants to complain about Joel Bowden’s last-minute tactics against the Bombers is kidding themselves.
Bowden, for anyone who missed it, wound down the clock by conceding two consecutive behinds, the first from general play and the second after he played on to himself in the goalsquare from the kick-in then turned around and handballed through the goals without returning the ball into play.
After the game Essendon fans swamped radio talkback to complain that what Bowden did was against the spirit of the game, even likening it to Trevor Chappell’s infamous underarm delivery in a one-day cricket game against New Zealand.
I can understand why people might say it wasn’t the most attractive way to win a game, but you can’t argue about how effective it was. Or that it was unfair.
Essendon had its chances to win the game, with a series of gettable set shots at goal in the final minutes. They missed and, as per the rules of the game, gained one point for a miss but paid the price of giving up possession to the opposition.
Surely what the other team does with the ball is up to them, provided it’s inside the rules. Bowden didn’t hit anyone and he took a calculated risk by closing the margin. But what he did was legal and smart – especially since he remembered to kick the ball to himself before conceding the second behind. If he didn’t, it would have been a ball-up at the top of the goalsquare – so it was a bigger risk than a lot of people have realized.
The bigger issue here is why Bowden had to do what he did. Richmond was in total control in the first half and finished with 18 more inside 50s than the Bombers, so it should never have been that close.
But it was because the Tigers did what they have made a bad habit of doing this season: shutting up shop way too early; if the Richmond players were running a retail business they would be bankrupt by now.
The theory seems to be that if we are ahead by two or three goals with not long to go, why risk losing possession by attacking? Best to hang on to the footy and protect the lead.
The problem with this is that (a) for this plan to work you need cool heads and good skills. We freeze, panic and turn the ball over; and (b) we are shutting up shop way too early.
We did it against the Bulldogs earlier in the year and it cost us two points. But you could argue a three-goal lead with three-minutes left is not unreasonable timing to try to eat up time. Against Port we stopped with about 15 minutes to go and were only saved by a brilliant mark at the top of the goalsquare by guess who.
Yesterday it was at about the 20-minute mark of the final term that our players decided they had done enough and didn’t need to score again to win. It turned out they were right (unless you count Bowden scoring for the other team), but only just.
We won’t get away with that against better teams, so we either need to get a lot better at it, or just go with the radical theory of continuing to play with the style that has earned us the lead in the first place.
Few things in footy are black and white and it is possible to modify the style slightly so we don’t take unnecessary risks, but in footy attack is almost always the best form of defence anyway – if we have the ball in the back pocket I’d rather see a long kick to a contest on the wing than players going backwards and sideways to a teammate under pressure.
Anyway, enough negativity. We won! That’s two in a row for the second time this year. The challenge is to make it three and we have the perfect opportunity against Brisbane on Saturday night.
I just hope I don’t see a backwards pass when we are 10 points in front with five minutes to go. Or if I do, it’s to Joel Bowden.
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/afl/fanforce/index.php/heraldsun/comments/joel_bowden_smartest_man_in_the_afl/
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At the end of the third quarter the Bombers iced the clock by kicking it backwards and forwards to each other, with Tony Shaw saying good play, you don't want the Tiges to score at this late stage.
What's good for the goose .....
:gotigers
They did it also at the end of the second when they were 4 goals down. :lol Morons. :lol
Now they complain. Even bigger morons. :lol
I was thinking 'god I hope the bumbers don't get a late goal and go in with some momentum' :lol
So what do they do, they start kicking backwards.
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But it was because the Tigers did what they have made a bad habit of doing this season: shutting up shop way too early; if the Richmond players were running a retail business they would be bankrupt by now.
Ironically it's Joel Bowden who is the main culprit of doing this.
Even the commentary picked up on it this time when he was looking to play sideways when he had options ahead of him and Joel didn't even look up the ground to spot them.
Chris Newman even said after the game when interviewed that it was the senior players who were the ones who decided when to slow the pace of the game, so anyone blaming Terry for it is wrong.
I don't know why anyone would accuse Wallace of wanting to slow the play when every other facet of his gameplan contradicts this type of play.
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In the third quarter Bowden and Newman both decided to slow down the play and kick it backwards and sidewards while their was players after player leading and presenting up field. Not only does this tactic slow us down and allow the opposition to zone, flood or man up it also strips the confidence away from the players further afield who are busting a gut to get away from their direct opponent and give the backline support.
I did notice that directly after they did this a runner was sent out to them.
I appreciate Bowden's level headed play in the dieing seconds but that doesn't make up for the other errors he made during the game that cost us goals. At one stage he tries to keep up with his leading defender who marked then turned him inside out, shrugged his tackle and kicked to a leading Llyod who then neatly slotted it through. Any of our other defenders would have had the pace first to spoil and/or tackle the forward to stop them relaying an easy pass to Llyod. Joel is just too slow and can not lay a tackle!
If you can not keep up with your direct opponent there is no way you can be a good defender. In fact if you are lacking pace there is no way you can play anywhere on the ground unless you are 7ft tall and even then you would struggle.
How can you no know how to tackle and make it stick when you are 30 years old and played in defense most of your career?!
Joel is a smart operator which is why he is still playing today but our defense is starting to look good and he doesn't fit the mould. Bowden kicks sideways and backwards becasue he can't run or break the lines and he knows it. He can't act as a link up players and he can't defend a mobile opponent. He would probably make a good coach one day with his brains but playing football, unfortunately for Joel, has more to do with skill and speed.
Credit to him for the 'unsportsman-like time waisting' that won us the game but until he sudden gains back his run and learns how to be accountable......well you know the rest :)
Stripes
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Agreed Stripes
It was Bowden who was on Laycock in the last quarter. Bowden gave away the free which resulted in a goal and then Laycock marked on him twice at the end of the game, Bowden was lucky that Laycock is incompetant and couldn't convert in all his other attempts.
Any other player with a grain of talent and it would have been Bowden who lost us the game.
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thats just it ;D his meant to get away from his opponant & recieve & kick goals thats his task now.
His coach pushed him back to the backline cause they know he can do the job & that means he very much a required player & teacher ;D get it teacher :lol, he kicked a nice goal & helped set some up, so dont go taking any credit away from the smart footballer Joel Bowden, everyone at Richmond is happy & 2 wins in a row makes us happy & it was a dedicated win.
l scrub the man boots for him this week but they got people to do that ;D well done Joel you done it again :gotigers
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Agreed Stripes
It was Bowden who was on Laycock in the last quarter. Bowden gave away the free which resulted in a goal and then Laycock marked on him twice at the end of the game, Bowden was lucky that Laycock is incompetant and couldn't convert in all his other attempts.
Any other player with a grain of talent and it would have been Bowden who lost us the game.
putting Bowden on a ruckman is just stupity & if the game was lost you could blame your coaches matchups
But in any case Joel won the game so stop whinging like a broken record of the Essendon theme song it never got played this week :thumbsup
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Bowden had 6 clangers for the game, was key to slowing down the play which allowed Essendon back in the game TWICE and his direct opponent at the end of the game had 3-4 shots on goal in the dying minutes.
If you can't see the major flaws in Bowden's game then you're delusional!!!
As for it being a mismatch, Bowden should have been able to run rings around Laycock who is a complete spud. If Bowden can't outrun a spud just because he's tall then what hope does he have?
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Bowden had 6 clangers for the game, was key to slowing down the play which allowed Essendon back in the game TWICE and his direct opponent at the end of the game had 3-4 shots on goal in the dying minutes.
If you can't see the major flaws in Bowden's game then you're delusional!!!
As for it being a mismatch, Bowden should have been able to run rings around Laycock who is a complete spud. If Bowden can't outrun a spud just because he's tall then what hope does he have?
Laycock's one strength is marking and Laycock would be 10-15 cm taller than him, that's a significant advantage. You're delusional if you think that was a good match up for Joel, the ball came in high and so Laycock had the clear win on him.
Lucky that Laycock is pretty horrible in most other aspects . . . like goal kicking. :thumbsup
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Bowden had 6 clangers for the game, was key to slowing down the play which allowed Essendon back in the game TWICE and his direct opponent at the end of the game had 3-4 shots on goal in the dying minutes.
If you can't see the major flaws in Bowden's game then you're delusional!!!
As for it being a mismatch, Bowden should have been able to run rings around Laycock who is a complete spud. If Bowden can't outrun a spud just because he's tall then what hope does he have?
Laycock's one strength is marking and Laycock would be 10-15 cm taller than him, that's a significant advantage. You're delusional if you think that was a good match up for Joel, the ball came in high and so Laycock had the clear win on him.
Lucky that Laycock is pretty horrible in most other aspects . . . like goal kicking. :thumbsup
l'm glad you watch the game TA cause Infamy lately has lost the plot ;D his got it in for Joel Bowden but his dreamer, yes the matching up by our great coach amazes me many times this year.
Infamy Joel might be slowing down some but his ability to read the game & his skills are silky :thumbsup he can also dominate the game. you dont have to be speedster to control football.
Its only a matter of time before Joel slots home 5 goals in a game coming to you soon, keep watching this space
in the meantime he won us a game so get off his back, do yourself a favor & go learn something about football because your lacking it lately. l know you got some good in you ;D
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"Bowden had 6 clangers for the game,"
Equal 17th in the AFL this week ;D
Chance Bateman and Andrew McLeod had 8 each.
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l'm glad you watch the game TA cause Infamy lately has lost the plot ;D his got it in for Joel Bowden but his dreamer, yes the matching up by our great coach amazes me many times this year.
Infamy Joel might be slowing down some but his ability to read the game & his skills are silky :thumbsup he can also dominate the game. you dont have to be speedster to control football.
Its only a matter of time before Joel slots home 5 goals in a game coming to you soon, keep watching this space
in the meantime he won us a game so get off his back, do yourself a favor & go learn something about football because your lacking it lately. l know you got some good in you ;D
I'm happy to admit that Joel does good things in a game, but I refuse to join in on the circle jerk on how fantastic he is when he does just as many bad things in a game than he does good. The next time I see him hold the ball up in the air to signal to slow down the game I'm going to stuffin FLIP OUT!!!
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Leigh Matthews today...
"The spirit of the game argument is the greatest load of rubbish, the spirit of the game is you use the rules to your best advantage," he said of Bowden's match-saving tactics.
"I think Joel Bowden should be applauded for using the rules to Richmond's advantage - that is what the game is all about and it's up to the rule makers to put the rules in there to make the game they way they want it to be."
http://sportal.com.au/AFL-news-display/lethal-bowden-brings-flaws-to-the-fore-52843
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thats means when Richo holds the ball up your going to go flipant, (Bulldogs game) how many AFL players you see every week hold the ball up ;D yes Joel needs to clean up his clanger acts l know one kickout he did fell into the arms of some bomber player but l dont know who cause l cringed & looked away. did he kick that goal l think he missed that bomber player ;D Knighter will have them goal kicking practice this week.
Wallace will have our drilling coming out the the backline new game plan :lol
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Yeh...thank God Joel is instinctively a lazy,sneaky prick....
His coach has great faith in him like most Richmond supporters do
his role is to help win games, he did that & is why Wallet sends him to the backline in the dying moments minutes he knew who would stop the wave of attacks. The Richmond backline was spent & the young blokes needed someone who could do the job Joel Bowden did it & the way he did it made it all the more memorable. Essendon & thier scummy whinging fans wont forget that in a hurry :lol it will be forever brought up when the 2 teams meet & have close matches.
Dont foget the great goal Joel kicked & the goals his helped setup. Joel Bowden is a very required player in the Richmond side & l dont see you bagging out Browny who stopped chasing & got blasted for being peeweak
Players had another bad 3rd quarter & need to work on putting teams away instead of thinking they have it won when they aint. Joel made a bad mistake but he is always called to the backline to help out when he should be playing up forward like the coach promised. We have a problem coming out of the backline & until that is fixed, Richmond will always struggle. Hail Joel Bowden he saved our asses :thumbsup give him credit cause alot of great footballers think his very smart in what he did & how do you know his coach didnot tell him to do what he did in icing Essendon haha
Maybe Terry will tell you on Tuesday ;D
Richmond has a backline in the making, we cannot expect miricales, Moore off his feet is doing a great job & can get better, This lad has really shook off his injuries & is showing why he was kept on the list. Thursfields lack of match time in the last month took its toll, & McGuane played superb & was spent. Shulzs playing well in a backline role was spent will only get better & Newmans game & style has lifted in the past few months was spent. McMahon was spent had a good game & is blending in well, & until them lads get it all together & workout a plan & practice it to come out of the backline & change the dynamics of the Richmond backline game plan will release Joel ever going back there & a new Richmond will be born.
Also dont take nothing away from Essendon who played & foughtout the game cause they have been on a role & the beat a good Brisbane side last week, something we must now do ourselves cause they willnot give up a spot in the finals lightly & alot of them premiership players will lift cause they know whats at stake
yeh.......as usual,joel did some good things but negated them with his sh it things :wallywink
Question is,did our youth get more out of watching a senior player steal a win through unsportsmanlike behaviour or would they have benefited more so, in the long run, from play continuing and actually beating the opposition on a level other than their own.
I doubt it very much,unless we're trying to bring thru a team of Bowdenesque players.
IDGAF What Paul Roos says.
He's been the biggest manipulator of the game of all time so im not surprised that he gives this one his blessing.
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Bowden recieved more clangers this week becasue he played up the ground and couldn't get his cheap desposal count up by kicking backwards and sidewards for the duration of the game. Monky - he will never kick 5 becasue he can't get away from his direct opponent.
The sad fact is is that TW put him on the players in the Essendon forwardline who was making the least impact and who was hurting us the least and all of a sudden they start to find form and look like superstars. Lucas looked like a tired old has-been before Joel was moved on him and suddenly he looked dangerous. When Bowden was moved onto Laycock the same again - he almost lost us the game.
Bowden is a liability and it is only through last minute 'heroics' such as his mark against Port and 'unsportsman-like play' against the Dons that he is keeping his place. If you look past those acts and to the rest of each game (and every game he plays recently) you will see he casues more problems than solves them.
Stripes
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Bowden recieved more clangers this week becasue he played up the ground and couldn't get his cheap desposal count up by kicking backwards and sidewards for the duration of the game. Monky - he will never kick 5 becasue he can't get away from his direct opponent.
The sad fact is is that TW put him on the players in the Essendon forwardline who was making the least impact and who was hurting us the least and all of a sudden they start to find form and look like superstars. Lucas looked like a tired old has-been before Joel was moved on him and suddenly he looked dangerous. When Bowden was moved onto Laycock the same again - he almost lost us the game.
Bowden is a liability and it is only through last minute 'heroics' such as his mark against Port and 'unsportsman-like play' against the Dons that he is keeping his place. If you look past those acts and to the rest of each game (and every game he plays recently) you will see he casues more problems than solves them.
Stripes
Here,Hear!
Ox
Xo
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thats means when Richo holds the ball up your going to go flipant, (Bulldogs game) how many AFL players you see every week hold the ball up ;D yes Joel needs to clean up his clanger acts l know one kickout he did fell into the arms of some bomber player but l dont know who cause l cringed & looked away. did he kick that goal l think he missed that bomber player ;D Knighter will have them goal kicking practice this week.
Wallace will have our drilling coming out the the backline new game plan :lol
What poppycock, I couldn't care who else holds up the ball, Joel does it all the bloody time and always when we have good momentum. Just off the top of my head, he did it towards the end of the Port game and it got them back into the game, in the Melbourne game and it got them back in the game, in the Essendon game at the start of the 3rd quarter and it led to a 6-7 goal straight turnaround and at the end of the Essendon game where he needed to rush the behinds after his direct opponent didn't know how to kick straight.
It's a serious problem and I'm sick of it
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Bowden recieved more clangers this week becasue he played up the ground and couldn't get his cheap desposal count up by kicking backwards and sidewards for the duration of the game. Monky - he will never kick 5 becasue he can't get away from his direct opponent.
The sad fact is is that TW put him on the players in the Essendon forwardline who was making the least impact and who was hurting us the least and all of a sudden they start to find form and look like superstars. Lucas looked like a tired old has-been before Joel was moved on him and suddenly he looked dangerous. When Bowden was moved onto Laycock the same again - he almost lost us the game.
Bowden is a liability and it is only through last minute 'heroics' such as his mark against Port and 'unsportsman-like play' against the Dons that he is keeping his place. If you look past those acts and to the rest of each game (and every game he plays recently) you will see he casues more problems than solves them.
Stripes
Great post!!!
HEAR HEAR!!!
BRAVO!!!
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l'm glad you watch the game TA cause Infamy lately has lost the plot ;D his got it in for Joel Bowden but his dreamer, yes the matching up by our great coach amazes me many times this year.
Infamy Joel might be slowing down some but his ability to read the game & his skills are silky :thumbsup he can also dominate the game. you dont have to be speedster to control football.
Its only a matter of time before Joel slots home 5 goals in a game coming to you soon, keep watching this space
in the meantime he won us a game so get off his back, do yourself a favor & go learn something about football because your lacking it lately. l know you got some good in you ;D
I'm happy to admit that Joel does good things in a game, but I refuse to join in on the circle jerk on how fantastic he is when he does just as many bad things in a game than he does good. The next time I see him hold the ball up in the air to signal to slow down the game I'm going to effin FLIP OUT!!!
Who are you suggesting is having a "circle jerk" about Bowden?
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Monkey Tiger - Its only a matter of time before Joel slots home 5 goals in a game coming to you soon, keep watching this space
LMAOO :rollin
15 YEARS AND WAITING :lol
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How about the Ch 9 Sydney-based news reporter this arvo calling Bowden "Bo-den" and comparing it to the Trevor Chappell underarm. He should give up his day job lol :stupid.
This has been so blown out of proportion it's hilarious and makes the win sweeter by the day. Rohan and Robbo wearing their red and black glasses and Mike just being an idiot with his suggestions :wallywink.
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Leigh Matthews today...
"The spirit of the game argument is the greatest load of rubbish, the spirit of the game is you use the rules to your best advantage," he said of Bowden's match-saving tactics.
"I think Joel Bowden should be applauded for using the rules to Richmond's advantage - that is what the game is all about and it's up to the rule makers to put the rules in there to make the game they way they want it to be."
http://sportal.com.au/AFL-news-display/lethal-bowden-brings-flaws-to-the-fore-52843
I think this is the most sensible thing that has been said about the whole thing......
As for "unsportsmanlike"..ok next time lets just hand the ball over and give them a chance to beat us!...We might lose the 4 points but we'll be real fine chaps!
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Mike just being an idiot with his suggestions :wallywink.
Whadda you think MT :lol
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Mike just being an idiot with his suggestions :wallywink.
Whadda you think MT :lol
;D
I laughed at Rohan's overdramatic quote - "it's not football" :wallywink. Well it's in the rulebook bomber boy so buy some kleenex lol.
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thats means when Richo holds the ball up your going to go flipant, (Bulldogs game) how many AFL players you see every week hold the ball up ;D yes Joel needs to clean up his clanger acts l know one kickout he did fell into the arms of some bomber player but l dont know who cause l cringed & looked away. did he kick that goal l think he missed that bomber player ;D Knighter will have them goal kicking practice this week.
Wallace will have our drilling coming out the the backline new game plan :lol
What poppycock, I couldn't care who else holds up the ball, Joel does it all the bloody time and always when we have good momentum. Just off the top of my head, he did it towards the end of the Port game and it got them back into the game, in the Melbourne game and it got them back in the game, in the Essendon game at the start of the 3rd quarter and it led to a 6-7 goal straight turnaround and at the end of the Essendon game where he needed to rush the behinds after his direct opponent didn't know how to kick straight.
It's a serious problem and I'm sick of it
Have you been living under a hole or something pal, every player does it.
geez you need to chill out mate, who gives a eff if a player holds the ball up its about winning games and making finals.
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you bag a player for what his coach instructs is laughable
who puts Joel down the backline Terry match them up Wallet who has no idea
when Bowden goes to the forward line he kicks goals & sets them up
he saves our asses & your not happy still
if he didnot do what he did the Bombers would have nailed us & made us look stupid
The bombers had all there bigmen forward it was only a matter of time before they would have kicked a goal
Bowden was on the bench while the assault was on, wake up watch the game properly to see who was letting the side down, Bowden came off the bench & won us the game with his smart thinking
Essendon & screaming cause there are known to ice the clock, glad it happened to them :rollin :rollin
When Joel kicks a few goals next week l let you know for sure ;D
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thats means when Richo holds the ball up your going to go flipant, (Bulldogs game) how many AFL players you see every week hold the ball up ;D yes Joel needs to clean up his clanger acts l know one kickout he did fell into the arms of some bomber player but l dont know who cause l cringed & looked away. did he kick that goal l think he missed that bomber player ;D Knighter will have them goal kicking practice this week.
Wallace will have our drilling coming out the the backline new game plan :lol
What poppycock, I couldn't care who else holds up the ball, Joel does it all the bloody time and always when we have good momentum. Just off the top of my head, he did it towards the end of the Port game and it got them back into the game, in the Melbourne game and it got them back in the game, in the Essendon game at the start of the 3rd quarter and it led to a 6-7 goal straight turnaround and at the end of the Essendon game where he needed to rush the behinds after his direct opponent didn't know how to kick straight.
It's a serious problem and I'm sick of it
Have you been living under a hole or something pal, every player does it.
geez you need to chill out mate, who gives a eff if a player holds the ball up its about winning games and making finals.
Some supporters have no idea Daniel161, its the same people who stuff themselves over with comments & realize it later when its pointed out to them, there got no idea that its the coach who causes mismatches :rollin
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Have you been living under a hole or something pal, every player does it.
geez you need to chill out mate, who gives a eff if a player holds the ball up its about winning games and making finals.
Every player doesn't do it, they don't hold the ball up in the air to slow the play down. I have NEVER seen any of our kids do it, they are always trying to take the game on and get the ball forward like they've been instructed to do. This is what gets us into winning positions and when SENIOR players who are ingrained with this negative football mindset panic, they lose us momentum and allow the opposition into the match.
I can't understand how anyone with half a clue can't see that when we hold the ball up and slow the play down, that we let the other side into the game. How can anyone suggest that this isn't a big deal?
you bag a player for what his coach instructs is laughable
who puts Joel down the backline Terry match them up Wallet who has no idea
when Bowden goes to the forward line he kicks goals & sets them up
he saves our asses & your not happy still
if he didnot do what he did the Bombers would have nailed us & made us look stupid
The bombers had all there bigmen forward it was only a matter of time before they would have kicked a goal
Bowden was on the bench while the assault was on, wake up watch the game properly to see who was letting the side down, Bowden came off the bench & won us the game with his smart thinking
Essendon & screaming cause there are known to ice the clock, glad it happened to them :rollin :rollin
When Joel kicks a few goals next week l let you know for sure ;D
Yeah Joel is such a scoreboard threat. Don't make me laugh.
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you bag a player for what his coach instructs is laughable
who puts Joel down the backline Terry match them up Wallet who has no idea
when Bowden goes to the forward line he kicks goals & sets them up
he saves our asses & your not happy still
if he didnot do what he did the Bombers would have nailed us & made us look stupid
The bombers had all there bigmen forward it was only a matter of time before they would have kicked a goal
Bowden was on the bench while the assault was on, wake up watch the game properly to see who was letting the side down, Bowden came off the bench & won us the game with his smart thinking
Essendon & screaming cause there are known to ice the clock, glad it happened to them :rollin :rollin
When Joel kicks a few goals next week l let you know for sure ;D
I'll be here...watching the space.
LMAO@Mismatch.
Is it not the duds fault if he can't,after many years as a senior figure for the rfc,play on a certain oppsotion player?
Coach gives him a job that,no doubt joel is confident of pulling off - why is it terrys fault ?
Because Joel is a dud and cant cut it?
Completely ;laffable that u claim terry mismatches Big bad Joel on someone. :rollin
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you bag a player for what his coach instructs is laughable
who puts Joel down the backline Terry match them up Wallet who has no idea
when Bowden goes to the forward line he kicks goals & sets them up
he saves our asses & your not happy still
if he didnot do what he did the Bombers would have nailed us & made us look stupid
The bombers had all there bigmen forward it was only a matter of time before they would have kicked a goal
Bowden was on the bench while the assault was on, wake up watch the game properly to see who was letting the side down, Bowden came off the bench & won us the game with his smart thinking
Essendon & screaming cause there are known to ice the clock, glad it happened to them :rollin :rollin
When Joel kicks a few goals next week l let you know for sure ;D
I'll be here...watching the space.
LMAO@Mismatch.
Is it not the duds fault if he can't,after many years as a senior figure for the rfc,play on a certain oppsotion player?
Coach gives him a job that,no doubt joel is confident of pulling off - why is it terrys fault ?
Because Joel is a dud and cant cut it?
Completely ;laffable that u claim terry mismatches Big bad Joel on someone. :rollin
hmmmmmmmmmm
i have seen many times joel play on j.brown and owned him.
you are an idiot :wallywink
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give him time his so busy down the backline taking marks saving the game & icing the games for us, his doing a fine job at it. only a matter of time before he starts nailing the goals.
Did you see that nice goal he kicked so straight, its only a matter of time someone will miss a game & Bowden to the rescue ;D maybe if we make the finals he will speed up alittle for his disloyal supporters :shh
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May as well name the side the Bowden Tigers seeing as he's carrying the whole side and doing everything.
Best thing is that he's only 3 games away from his 250th. Once he's hit that mark, he can be shown the door and collect a nice gold watch on the way out.
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you bag a player for what his coach instructs is laughable
who puts Joel down the backline Terry match them up Wallet who has no idea
when Bowden goes to the forward line he kicks goals & sets them up
he saves our asses & your not happy still
if he didnot do what he did the Bombers would have nailed us & made us look stupid
The bombers had all there bigmen forward it was only a matter of time before they would have kicked a goal
Bowden was on the bench while the assault was on, wake up watch the game properly to see who was letting the side down, Bowden came off the bench & won us the game with his smart thinking
Essendon & screaming cause there are known to ice the clock, glad it happened to them :rollin :rollin
When Joel kicks a few goals next week l let you know for sure ;D
I'll be here...watching the space.
LMAO@Mismatch.
Is it not the duds fault if he can't,after many years as a senior figure for the rfc,play on a certain oppsotion player?
Coach gives him a job that,no doubt joel is confident of pulling off - why is it terrys fault ?
Because Joel is a dud and cant cut it?
Completely ;laffable that u claim terry mismatches Big bad Joel on someone. :rollin
hmmmmmmmmmm
i have seen many times joel play on j.brown and owned him.
you are an idiot :wallywink
see Shannon even knows more about football than Imfamy & Stripe
how soon they forget them days even Joel owned Big bad Johnathan
no wonder his body is slowing down with that monster running into him & Joel putting his body on the line for disloyal supporters :rollin :rollin :rollin back later dinnertime
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Stop living in the past
No one is questioning his value to the side over the past few years
The whole point is he's washed up NOW!!
There's no way he'll line up on Jon Brown this week, not a snowflakes!
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Stop living in the past
No one is questioning his value to the side over the past few years
The whole point is he's washed up NOW!!
There's no way he'll line up on Jon Brown this week, not a snowflakes!
so what happens say brown smashes thursfield and moore, who will terry turn to? bowden! he wont play on brown, will will be part of plan b or c and be their to block holes and stand in front of brown to take all the hits.
cant believe the lack of respect tiger fans show some of their champions , no wonder we are known to eat our own.
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so what happens say brown smashes thursfield and moore, who will terry turn to? bowden!
So even you admit that he's our last resort?
Thanks for proving my point
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so what happens say brown smashes thursfield and moore, who will terry turn to? bowden!
So even you admit that he's our last resort?
Thanks for proving my point
you missed the point, he is not our last resort, we are trying to develop some young key defenders. so its important to give them the go 1st, but it is equally as important to have an experience player their next to them to a/ assist and guide them and b/ take over if they fail.
thank god you dont coach, and you insult me in other posts , but it is very clear that you have no idea about football or footballers.
the only point you proved is that you have no idea
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just remember , joel bowden is our general in defence and keeps it organised and ensures every structure is in place.
watch a game live and see him setting up the troops, stop being a tv supporter and pretending you understand the game
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Shannon I am at every game in Melbourne and it is what I see Bowden do off the ball that is most worrying. The amount of times his opponent is loose and Joel attempts to catch them is sad. He still has the smarts but just doesn't have the pace.
Bowden is a beautiful kick and takes a great grab but he isn't a treat in the forwardline because he is too small to push off his defender and not fast enough to make a lead. In the backline these deficiencies are exemplified -he can not keep up with his opponent and stuggles to lay a tackle. He kicks backwards and sideways because he can not run with the ball because he is smart enough to know he would be run down.
Bowden is probably one of the smartest players in our team and is level headed but he can no longer compete. Watch him this week and see if he can run with, at or away from an opponent. Watch to see if he can shut down a forward such as you say he did to the great J. Brown. Watch to see if he can get space on his opponent.
His brains has enabled him to keep his place this year but his deficiencies are becoming more and more obvious as he plays alongside our young defenders.
You will find that the only way he can play no days is unaccountable football because he is not quick enough to play any other way. It's sad as he is a good leader but unfortunately now the only leading he is doing is the wrong type -lazy, unaccountable, slow football.
Stripes
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Leigh Matthews today...
"The spirit of the game argument is the greatest load of rubbish, the spirit of the game is you use the rules to your best advantage," he said of Bowden's match-saving tactics.
"I think Joel Bowden should be applauded for using the rules to Richmond's advantage - that is what the game is all about and it's up to the rule makers to put the rules in there to make the game they way they want it to be."
http://sportal.com.au/AFL-news-display/lethal-bowden-brings-flaws-to-the-fore-52843
Agree 2JD
Leigh's Matthews = the Most logical comment I've read....
As for Rohan, want to point fingers Rohan ???
Point 'em straight at Stanton for wasting 20 odd seconds taking his shot and missing a very easy shot ::) and point 'em at Laycock for well er....being one of the luckiest players in the AFL at the moment, you can't tell me he is in the Bummers best 22, only playing because of their injury list
And then there is Mike "whaddoyouthink" Sheahan who thinks he is the moral conscience of footy... :help "spirit of the game" what utter CRAP >:( The next time a player claims a mark that has hit the ground I expect a fall editorial on that player and how that isn't in the spirit of the game either and how said player has bought the game into disreput ...what an F'en joke
Even Nayfan Buckly on 3AW tonight was applauding the Bowden tactic
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just remember , joel bowden is our general in defence and keeps it organised and ensures every structure is in place.
watch a game live and see him setting up the troops, stop being a tv supporter and pretending you understand the game
what do u and Bowden have in common?
One pretends to be woman and the other plays like one
LMAO@ U idiots.
OER WELCOMES SHANNON
Edit: removed pic to save bandwidth.
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just remember , joel bowden is our general in defence and keeps it organised and ensures every structure is in place.
watch a game live and see him setting up the troops, stop being a tv supporter and pretending you understand the game
As Stripes said, watching Joel live at the game just highlights how bad he is these days. You can't see him trailing off behind opponents on the lead, you can't see him scrambling back to get on his man because the camera is on the action. How anyone could use the excuse that you need to watch him live rather than on tv to see Bowden's strengths is completely kidding themselves. Take off the yellow and black glasses, seriously, I mean I can admit when Bowden does good things, but you guys just refuse to believe these errors and deficiencies in his game even exist. You're blinded by the few good things he does.
Stop watching the ball, and specifically watch him play. Don't just see coolness in traffic and a few nice passes to an uncontested situation and think that we're talking crap. There are too many people that see the same major flaws in his game for this to just be an anomoly. Hell, I used to be one of his biggest fans.
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just remember , joel bowden is our general in defence and keeps it organised and ensures every structure is in place.
watch a game live and see him setting up the troops, stop being a tv supporter and pretending you understand the game
As Stripes said, watching Joel live at the game just highlights how bad he is these days. You can't see him trailing off behind opponents on the lead, you can't see him scrambling back to get on his man because the camera is on the action. How anyone could use the excuse that you need to watch him live rather than on tv to see Bowden's strengths is completely kidding themselves. Take off the yellow and black glasses, seriously, I mean I can admit when Bowden does good things, but you guys just refuse to believe these errors and deficiencies in his game even exist. You're blinded by the few good things he does.
Stop watching the ball, and specifically watch him play. Don't just see coolness in traffic and a few nice passes to an uncontested situation and think that we're talking crap. There are too many people that see the same major flaws in his game for this to just be an anomoly. Hell, I used to be one of his biggest fans.
the crap you write & contradict yourself :rollin
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Like what? Put up or shut up!
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Boys just face it to some ppl Bowden is untouchable when it comes to criticism.
Sure I thought he has had some good moments this year but generally the bad has far outweighed the good. Its b/c the two games we have won by 4 points involved Bowden in the last play of the day and hence they have stuck in our minds. I totally agree with you Stripes he is slow, slows the play down and if anything is detrimental to the overall style that the team is trying to learn (adopt). Its time to look to the future Bowden aint grooming the Thursfields McGuane's Moore's Polak's these boys have showed how impressive thay are without him in the team let alone trying to learn a negative type of survival game plan that Joel plays that when he is exposed shows how bad of a player he is with many weaknesses in his game popping up. Any of you remember the Carlton game and the horrible scrutiny he was put under that he failed. Was not a coaching error by Plough was simply good coaching by Ratten.It is nothing personal towards anybody on this forum as we all have our opinions but Joel should have been dropped a long long time ago in my opinion. What gets me is how ppl defend him like he is the reason we are where we are today because of Joel and that he cannot put a foot wrong. Its as if we go to and see an entirely different game. If Joel is relying on last ditch efforts to survive when the pace of the game has left him behind then eventually the boy will cry wolf and Joel may not get to the contest due to his pace to save our hides and what will all you Bowden Buddies be saying then. Get over it the guy is on his last legs and more than likely be gone next year.
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Boys just face it to some ppl Bowden is untouchable when it comes to criticism.
Sure I thought he has had some good moments this year but generally the bad has far outweighed the good. Its b/c the two games we have won by 4 points involved Bowden in the last play of the day and hence they have stuck in our minds. I totally agree with you Stripes he is slow, slows the play down and if anything is detrimental to the overall style that the team is trying to learn (adopt). Its time to look to the future Bowden aint grooming the Thursfields McGuane's Moore's Polak's these boys have showed how impressive thay are without him in the team let alone trying to learn a negative type of survival game plan that Joel plays that when he is exposed shows how bad of a player he is with many weaknesses in his game popping up. Any of you remember the Carlton game and the horrible scrutiny he was put under that he failed. Was not a coaching error by Plough was simply good coaching by Ratten.It is nothing personal towards anybody on this forum as we all have our opinions but Joel should have been dropped a long long time ago in my opinion. What gets me is how ppl defend him like he is the reason we are where we are today because of Joel and that he cannot put a foot wrong. Its as if we go to and see an entirely different game. If Joel is relying on last ditch efforts to survive when the pace of the game has left him behind then eventually the boy will cry wolf and Joel may not get to the contest due to his pace to save our hides and what will all you Bowden Buddies be saying then. Get over it the guy is on his last legs and more than likely be gone next year.
Fair point.
Everyone is divided on him and that will always be the case till he gives it up.
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In the spirit of the game, the last line of defence is always marginal
Greg Baum | The Age | July 22, 2008
I'VE got 600 words to write here. OK? I said: OK? It's about the way Joel Bowden deliberately rushed two behinds in the dying seconds of the Richmond-Essendon clash at the MCG on Saturday, so running down the clock and preserving a narrow victory for the Tigers, and whether this was in the spirit of the game.
I'm down to 550 words now and still I haven't gone anywhere. In fact, it's now only 540 words and I still haven't said anything.
What's the problem? As far as I know, it's not written anywhere that a column has to say something, only that it has to fill to the end. I could stall in some other way: whack in a little picture of a football, make the byline bigger.
It'd be the same as footballers who kick the ball backwards, or fake a cramp, or pull up their socks and throw imaginary pieces of grass in the air (what DID happen to the 30-second clock?).
Like that little feint with the brackets? Seven more words down. Bit more than 400 now, and counting.
But instead of doing something with the lay-out, I've chosen instead to waffle, say the same thing over and over. I reckon I'm in front this year, so I'll leave it at that, OK?
Well it's not, of course. But the solution is not reflexively to make a rule about it, like a nanny state.
These things have a way of working themselves out. For a start, this topic is not going to come up every week. For another, if I wrote about it in these sort of circumlocutions every time, you would soon stop reading it and the editor would soon stop running it (300 and getting anxious).
It's the same on the footy ground. Remember flooding, how it was going to ruin the game and how everyone wanted to bring in new rules to stop it? Geelong fixed that.
Taking too long over a set shot at goal? Not a problem: in fact, booing Matthew Lloyd has become a ritual. Running into umpires? They did make a rule, imposed long suspensions, and were made to look ridiculous.
A Bowden rule stands to have many loopholes, since it would have to distinguish between types of rushed behinds, those blatantly conceded by a besieged defence and those that come off fingertips or ricochet from a pack in the goal square. As if the umpires are not under enough pressure now. And, for that matter, defenders.
Besides, however rules are framed, sportsmen will work in the margins; it's their job. And they think on their feet. The problem most seem to have with Bowden's tactic is that he thought of it and they didn't. It was open to Essendon deliberately to concede a 50-metre penalty, but no Bomber thought of it (can't be long to go now, surely?).
Sportsmen also calculate risk, over and over. Bowden's plan entailed risk. His first rushed behind reduced the margin from six points to five, exposing the Tigers to the possibility of defeat if they screwed up. And he could not have known exactly how much time remained.
Earlier this season, teammate Jake King walked the ball through when Richmond was leading the Bulldogs by 19 points. Three quick Bulldogs goals later, seeming victory had dissolved into a draw (someone blow the bloody siren).
Some team are happy to rush behinds because they pride themselves on the goals they score directly from kick-ins. So be it. It would be a mean-spirited game that imposed a prohibition on the last line of defence because of what might happen 200 metres away.
Here's some working rules. (1) Don't find yourself behind with seconds to play. (2) Don't complain if you haven't manned-up. (3) Don't show your face if you've been outsmarted by Richmond. (4) And don't … (siren).
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/in-the-spirit-of-the-game-the-last-line-of-defence-is-alwaysmarginal/2008/07/21/1216492356067.html
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Greg Baum's article is a ripper - highlights the absurdity of the knee jerk reaction fools like Mike Sheahan have had. And I have to say, to top it off this is one of the best lines of comment I have read on football in a long, long time:
"Here's some working rules. (1) Don't find yourself behind with seconds to play. (2) Don't complain if you haven't manned-up. (3) Don't show your face if you've been outsmarted by Richmond."
Love it. :thumbsup
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Yeah love that last paragraph. There were over 160 comments to Mike Sheahan's article - most bagging Sheahan and Essendon! The Bummers should be grateful to Bowden for those two extra points!
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Boys just face it to some ppl Bowden is untouchable when it comes to criticism.
Sure I thought he has had some good moments this year but generally the bad has far outweighed the good. Its b/c the two games we have won by 4 points involved Bowden in the last play of the day and hence they have stuck in our minds. I totally agree with you Stripes he is slow, slows the play down and if anything is detrimental to the overall style that the team is trying to learn (adopt). Its time to look to the future Bowden aint grooming the Thursfields McGuane's Moore's Polak's these boys have showed how impressive thay are without him in the team let alone trying to learn a negative type of survival game plan that Joel plays that when he is exposed shows how bad of a player he is with many weaknesses in his game popping up. Any of you remember the Carlton game and the horrible scrutiny he was put under that he failed. Was not a coaching error by Plough was simply good coaching by Ratten.It is nothing personal towards anybody on this forum as we all have our opinions but Joel should have been dropped a long long time ago in my opinion. What gets me is how ppl defend him like he is the reason we are where we are today because of Joel and that he cannot put a foot wrong. Its as if we go to and see an entirely different game. If Joel is relying on last ditch efforts to survive when the pace of the game has left him behind then eventually the boy will cry wolf and Joel may not get to the contest due to his pace to save our hides and what will all you Bowden Buddies be saying then. Get over it the guy is on his last legs and more than likely be gone next year.
have you all looked that Thursfield, McGuane, Moore, Shulzs, Newman, McMahon, were in the backline while Joel was up forward setting up & kicked a nice goal doing his job as the role he should be playing & said so by his coach
His coach is the one calling him back to unrealistic matchups
So if joel has no future the six players above fighting off a strong Essendon side which came to play football & have been playing good football scoring high each week were going to overrun us if that ball came out, there was no doubt in my mind we were going to get runover, the backline was spent. So Bowden was called off the bench to save the day. he conquered thats all that matters.
l reckon if it was left to the back 6, we would be sitting in misery asking questions why
l bet Joel is pumped even more now knowing that his got all these eager young fella's around him & they could have a chance to play finals which he would be a huge part ;D The teacher is teaching his students how to be smart footballers so get the stuff off his back & credit him until someone is good & smart enough to take over cause his is still a top quality AFL footballer who has been at it for 12 years. Dual All-Australian - Dual Best & Fairest & admired by his loyal supporters :gotigers
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Joel Bowden & That incident - Not A Big Deal !
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Joel Bowden & That incident - Not A Big Deal !
who gives a flying stuff really
build a bridge and get over it if u dont like it go and support the bombers
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Could someone answer this for me...How far back from the mark is a player allowed to be on a 50m penalty? If there is no set distance then technically if Essendon had conceeded a 50m penalty whats stopping Joel from staying in the square, chipping to himself or running off his line and then rushing a behind?? Naturally we all think that a player must advance and take advantage of the 50m penalty and in 99 percent of cases this is logical but is it mandatory? As far as I know, its only the player standing on the mark that needs to retreat the required distance.
There was an issue recently in rugby league where a player deliberately missed a penalty shot at goal to avoid the play advancing to the half way restart if he were successful and giving the opposition an opportunity to try and recover the ball in their own territory. Instead the restart for a missed shot on goal is a drop kick from their defensive 20m line. Now there is a rule that prevents a player from deliberately missing a goal but it would be an almost impossible task to enforce especially when a good kicker could disguise it.
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I cant see any team doing this tactic extensively as it's too damaging to their scoreboard and can take 4 goals off the clock in 3 minutes (When Reimers identified what was going on it took him 7-8 seconds to enforce the behind including the goal umpires signal). If the team is switched on to run at him and can do that time after time that will be much quicker scoring than a team can score normally in those situations.
It is not beneficial for a team to do it for an extended period of time shown above so there is no need to change the rule.
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by overstanding the mark u can enforce a 50 metre penaty b4 he has a chance to rush a behind.
all makes for crap footy
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As wallace said on 1161 today he told Joel what was left & sent him to be 7 man & take control ;D
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As wallace said on 1161 today he told Joel what was left & sent him to be 7 man & take control ;D
we could go on and on....... :rollin
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by overstanding the mark u can enforce a 50 metre penaty b4 he has a chance to rush a behind.
all makes for crap footy
And then give the footy 180 degrees more room for the other 17 men to find space. :thumbsup
Fact is it's not a problem.
Bloody media/ :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
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serious its not a problem & been getting done every week for years now.
games over, bring on the Lions
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i cant believe the over reaction and hysteria this has caused. rushed behinds happen every week, some at the beggining of games and others during and others at the end. who cares. slow news week. no players played up this week off the field, fevs contract was put on hold, so the media had nothing to talk about. only if melb sacked their ceo during the w/e :sleep
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Rush-hour footy: Demons lead way
Geoff McClure | The Age | July 24, 2008
JOEL Bowden may have pushed through two rushed points which enabled Richmond to hold on for a win over Essendon last Saturday but the Tigers are not the most prolific in giving away such "free" points.
Far from it.
In fact because of all the drama surrounding Bowden's late-match antics we asked Champion Data to to check its season stats and we discovered the worst "offender" is Melbourne.
So far this season the Demons have provided the opposition with 57 points — a total of nine goals three behinds — ahead of North Melbourne with 55 points, St Kilda (54) and Fremantle (53).
The Tigers are mid-range on the ladder, having given away 47 points with the most miserly of the clubs being Sydney, which has rushed through 42.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/sport/roos-rock-pies-and-guess-who-wrote-banner/2008/07/23/1216492540996.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap2
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well there you go :lol wonder where the bummers come on that list ;D
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Richard Champion in all things the Cairns Post has summed up what Joel did nicely :thumbsup
Critics miss the point
Richard Champion
Thursday, July 24, 2008
The Cairns Post
SOME of the criticism directed towards Joel Bowden this week has been ridiculous.
The Tigers defender committed the "crime" of deliberately rushing through two behinds to run down the clock as Richmond hung on to a lead over Essendon at the weekend.
The Tigers won by four points but the impressive victory has been overshadowed by the uproar from commentators and fans in the wake of Bowden’s supposedly unsportsmanlike behaviour.
Even respected footy writer Mike Sheahan has compared it to Trevor Chappell's infamous underarm delivery to win a one-day cricket game against New Zealand.
What hogwash. Bowden deserves a pat on the back for thinking through the situation under pressure and executing a plan that paid off.
Bowden had just come off the bench to play as the loose man in defence and knew how much time was left on the clock. Importantly, he also knew the rules, which is something that couldn't be said for many AFL players, no matter how professional the game gets. Bowden made sure that after he was called to play on he wasted as much time as possible.
It was a smart tactic and one that is unlikely to be used too often.
Rushed behinds are rare and usually they are a sign that the attacking team is on top and putting pressure on the defence that is forced into conceding a point.
The Bowden situation would come up once in a blue moon, yet if you listen to the critics it's the worst thing that's happened since Sydney invented flooding.
Some commentators want the penalty for a rushed behind lifted to three points while others want a bounce at the top of the square rather than giving the ball straight back to the defending team.
I think we've had enough rule changes to last a lifetime over the past five years and the last thing we need is to have officials tinkering with such a minor issue.
Sure, rushed behinds are conceded more often now because of the modern tactics where players zone off and players are forced to play on a lot more. But players won’t be rushing to the rule books to search for more loopholes because of this.
As for the irate Essendon fans, if the situation had been reversed they would have been saying it was a clever move. The simplest way out of it is to make sure you are in front with a minute to go, rather than having to try to scramble back and then blame the opposition when things don’t go your way.
http://www.cairns.com.au/article/2008/07/24/5727_local-sport-news.html
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Rohan still whinging about it
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Time to act on rushed behinds
Rohan Connolly | August 12, 2008
IT was in a mid-2006 match against Melbourne that then Brisbane Lions defender Mal Michael conceded a rushed behind by booting the ball through the Demons' goals from more than 20 metres out.
It was a bizarre passage of play, the subject of innumerable replays and much discussion, seemingly one of those quirky one-offs in much the same way as umpire Peter Carey's "mark" in Perth all those years ago.
Fast forward just a couple of years, and Michael's "own goal" would barely raise an eyebrow, players regularly enough conceding a point under pressure by kicking at the opposition goals.
It's been only three weeks since Richmond's Joel Bowden twice walked the ball back through his defensive goals at a kick-in to soak up precious dying seconds of a thriller against Essendon.
There was fierce debate, some calling for action to prevent a repeat of an ugly time-wasting tactic, the more predictable response to "leave the rules alone". Much of the latter reaction centred around the Bowden incident again proving a quirk seldom to be seen again.
But that's already proved to be bunkum. The very next week, a TAC under-18 team pulled "a Bowden", not just once, but a couple of times. It's been repeated at AFL level since on several occasions. Most recently last Saturday night.
Collingwood, not just a kick but 22 points up, had its game against St Kilda stitched up when Marty Clarke kicked-in approaching the 27-minute mark.
There were no options on offer save Dale Thomas, 15 metres away in the back-pocket. Clarke chipped to Thomas, who then walked backwards, sideways to the goal face, drew Stephen Milne to him, then retreated across the goal line.
That chewed up 10 seconds. A couple of minutes later, with the time clock now approaching 30 minutes, Thomas went the safe option again, receiving a chip from Dane Swan and hanging on for 15 seconds until Adam Schneider was forced to run at him, Thomas again stepping back over the goal line.
One behind was a twist on the Bowden tactic, bringing a second player into proceedings from a kick-in and absorbing more time, the other from general play. Both highlight a growing plague that goes against the things that help make Australian football so appealing — continuous action and a sense of risk, or at least adventure.
Champion Data statistics prove it's happening more frequently. In 2003, the competition average for rushed behinds per game was 3.9. It's crept up every year since to 5.8 so far this season.
And last Saturday was a big one for the rushed behind. Thomas' pair were among the five of St Kilda's 11 behinds that were rushed. It was six from 14 for Hawthorn, five from 11 for Brisbane, eight out of 24 for Carlton, and eight from 18 for Fremantle.
The handball through the defensive goals is a dime-a-dozen now, not just from near the goal line either, but often from 20 to 25 metres away. It kills off any danger, more time, and rewards the side copping out with a free kick and chance to rebound into attack under no pressure from a range of increasingly well-rehearsed set plays.
"It's because the game's all about turnovers now," one senior assistant coach explains. "Zoning is so good now and an indiscriminate kick out of the backline so costly that you almost guarantee the other team a score if you turn it over in defence.
"Why make a decision under pressure you wouldn't normally make when just for conceding a behind you can minimise the danger and get the ball in the hands of your best kick out of defence?"
The coach says his team isn't drilled in the art of conceding behinds, but it doesn't need to be. Its defenders know as second nature to play the percentages in this case so much in their favour.
We've become used to defenders chipping the ball to each other. But at least then there's still an intent to keep play alive. The extension of that philosophy to the deliberate rushed behind can't even boast that. It's a zero risk get-out-of-jail card that offers too many benefits and not enough sacrifice for those who take the soft option.
Some of us aren't great fans of rule changes. And a change to the game's scoring system is a radical step. But this isn't merely a fad of which the natural evolution of the game will take care.
The deliberate rushed behind is very quickly ingraining itself as a fundamental part of defensive strategy. And one that only the introduction of a three-point penalty will realistically nip in the bud.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/time-to-act-on-rushed-behinds/2008/08/11/1218306775821.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1