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In the spirit of the game, the last line of defence is always marginal
Greg Baum | The Age | July 22, 2008

I'VE got 600 words to write here. OK? I said: OK? It's about the way Joel Bowden deliberately rushed two behinds in the dying seconds of the Richmond-Essendon clash at the MCG on Saturday, so running down the clock and preserving a narrow victory for the Tigers, and whether this was in the spirit of the game.

I'm down to 550 words now and still I haven't gone anywhere. In fact, it's now only 540 words and I still haven't said anything.

What's the problem? As far as I know, it's not written anywhere that a column has to say something, only that it has to fill to the end. I could stall in some other way: whack in a little picture of a football, make the byline bigger.

It'd be the same as footballers who kick the ball backwards, or fake a cramp, or pull up their socks and throw imaginary pieces of grass in the air (what DID happen to the 30-second clock?).

Like that little feint with the brackets? Seven more words down. Bit more than 400 now, and counting.

But instead of doing something with the lay-out, I've chosen instead to waffle, say the same thing over and over. I reckon I'm in front this year, so I'll leave it at that, OK?

Well it's not, of course. But the solution is not reflexively to make a rule about it, like a nanny state.

These things have a way of working themselves out. For a start, this topic is not going to come up every week. For another, if I wrote about it in these sort of circumlocutions every time, you would soon stop reading it and the editor would soon stop running it (300 and getting anxious).

It's the same on the footy ground. Remember flooding, how it was going to ruin the game and how everyone wanted to bring in new rules to stop it? Geelong fixed that.

Taking too long over a set shot at goal? Not a problem: in fact, booing Matthew Lloyd has become a ritual. Running into umpires? They did make a rule, imposed long suspensions, and were made to look ridiculous.

A Bowden rule stands to have many loopholes, since it would have to distinguish between types of rushed behinds, those blatantly conceded by a besieged defence and those that come off fingertips or ricochet from a pack in the goal square. As if the umpires are not under enough pressure now. And, for that matter, defenders.

Besides, however rules are framed, sportsmen will work in the margins; it's their job. And they think on their feet. The problem most seem to have with Bowden's tactic is that he thought of it and they didn't. It was open to Essendon deliberately to concede a 50-metre penalty, but no Bomber thought of it (can't be long to go now, surely?).

Sportsmen also calculate risk, over and over. Bowden's plan entailed risk. His first rushed behind reduced the margin from six points to five, exposing the Tigers to the possibility of defeat if they screwed up. And he could not have known exactly how much time remained.

Earlier this season, teammate Jake King walked the ball through when Richmond was leading the Bulldogs by 19 points. Three quick Bulldogs goals later, seeming victory had dissolved into a draw (someone blow the bloody siren).

Some team are happy to rush behinds because they pride themselves on the goals they score directly from kick-ins. So be it. It would be a mean-spirited game that imposed a prohibition on the last line of defence because of what might happen 200 metres away.

Here's some working rules. (1) Don't find yourself behind with seconds to play. (2) Don't complain if you haven't manned-up. (3) Don't show your face if you've been outsmarted by Richmond. (4) And don't … (siren).

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/in-the-spirit-of-the-game-the-last-line-of-defence-is-alwaysmarginal/2008/07/21/1216492356067.html

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Re: Bowden..The incident!!
« Reply #91 on: July 22, 2008, 07:07:58 AM »
Greg Baum's article is a ripper - highlights the absurdity of the knee jerk reaction fools like Mike Sheahan have had.  And I have to say, to top it off this is one of the best lines of comment I have read on football in a long, long time:

"Here's some working rules. (1) Don't find yourself behind with seconds to play. (2) Don't complain if you haven't manned-up. (3) Don't show your face if you've been outsmarted by Richmond."

Love it.   :thumbsup

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« Reply #92 on: July 22, 2008, 07:40:11 AM »
Yeah love that last paragraph.  There were over 160 comments to Mike Sheahan's article - most bagging Sheahan and Essendon!  The Bummers should be grateful to Bowden for those two extra points!

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« Reply #93 on: July 22, 2008, 09:38:49 AM »
Boys just face it to some ppl Bowden is untouchable when it comes to criticism.
Sure I thought he has had some good moments this year but generally the bad has far outweighed the good. Its b/c the two games we have won by 4 points involved Bowden in the last play of the day and hence they have stuck in our minds. I totally agree with you Stripes he is slow, slows the play down and if anything is detrimental to the overall style that the team is trying to learn (adopt). Its time to look to the future Bowden aint grooming the Thursfields  McGuane's Moore's Polak's these boys have showed how impressive thay are without him in the team let alone trying to learn a negative type of survival game plan that Joel plays that when he is exposed shows how bad of a player he is with many weaknesses in his game popping up.  Any of you remember the Carlton game and the horrible scrutiny he was put under that he failed. Was not a coaching error by Plough was simply good coaching by Ratten.It is nothing personal towards anybody on this forum as we all have our opinions but Joel should have been dropped a long long time ago in my opinion. What gets me is how ppl defend him like he is the reason we are where we are today because of Joel and that he cannot put a foot wrong. Its as if we go to and see an entirely different game. If Joel is relying on last ditch efforts to survive when the pace of the game has left him behind then eventually the boy will cry wolf and Joel may not get to the contest due to his pace to save our hides and what will all you Bowden Buddies be saying then. Get over it the guy is on his last legs and more than likely be gone next year.

have you all looked that Thursfield, McGuane, Moore, Shulzs, Newman, McMahon, were in the backline while Joel was up forward setting up & kicked a nice goal doing his job as the role he should be playing & said so by his coach
His coach is the one calling him back to unrealistic matchups

So if joel has no future the six players above fighting off a strong Essendon side which came to play football & have been playing good football scoring high each week were going to overrun us if that ball came out, there was no doubt in my mind we were going to get runover, the backline was spent. So Bowden was called off the bench to save the day. he conquered thats all that matters.

l reckon if it was left to the back 6,  we would be sitting in misery asking questions why

l bet Joel is pumped even more now knowing that his got all these eager young fella's around him & they could have a chance to play finals which he would be a huge part  ;D The teacher is teaching his students how to be smart footballers so get the stuff off his back & credit him until someone is good & smart enough to take over cause his is still a top quality AFL footballer who has been at it for 12 years. Dual All-Australian - Dual Best & Fairest & admired by his loyal supporters :gotigers


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Re: Bowden..The incident!!
« Reply #94 on: July 22, 2008, 11:12:13 AM »
Joel Bowden & That incident - Not A Big Deal !

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« Reply #95 on: July 22, 2008, 11:59:10 AM »
Joel Bowden & That incident - Not A Big Deal !

who gives a flying stuff really

build a bridge and get over it if u dont like it go and support the bombers
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« Reply #96 on: July 22, 2008, 12:33:45 PM »
Could someone answer this for me...How far back from the mark is a player allowed to be on a 50m penalty? If there is no set distance then technically if Essendon had conceeded a 50m penalty whats stopping Joel from staying in the square, chipping to himself or running off his line and then rushing a behind?? Naturally we all think that a player must advance and take advantage of the 50m penalty and in 99 percent of cases this is logical but is it mandatory? As far as I know, its only the player standing on the mark that needs to retreat the required distance.

There was an issue recently in rugby league where a player deliberately missed a penalty shot at goal to avoid the play advancing to the half way restart if he were successful and giving the opposition an opportunity to try and recover the ball in their own territory. Instead the restart for a missed shot on goal is a drop kick from their defensive 20m line. Now there is a rule that prevents a player from deliberately missing a goal but it would be an almost impossible task to enforce especially when a good kicker could disguise it.

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« Reply #97 on: July 22, 2008, 02:45:15 PM »
I cant see any team doing this tactic extensively as it's too damaging to their scoreboard and can take 4 goals off the clock in 3 minutes (When Reimers identified what was going on it took him 7-8 seconds to enforce the behind including the goal umpires signal). If the team is switched on to run at him and can do that time after time that will be much quicker scoring than a team can score normally in those situations.

It is not beneficial for a team to do it for an extended period of time shown above so there is no need to change the rule.
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« Reply #98 on: July 22, 2008, 03:24:39 PM »
by overstanding the mark u can enforce a 50 metre penaty b4 he has a chance to rush a behind.

all makes for crap footy

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« Reply #99 on: July 22, 2008, 04:03:00 PM »
As wallace said on 1161 today he told Joel what was left & sent him to be 7 man & take control  ;D

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« Reply #100 on: July 22, 2008, 04:06:26 PM »
As wallace said on 1161 today he told Joel what was left & sent him to be 7 man & take control  ;D

we could go on and on....... :rollin

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« Reply #101 on: July 22, 2008, 10:26:25 PM »
by overstanding the mark u can enforce a 50 metre penaty b4 he has a chance to rush a behind.

all makes for crap footy

And then give the footy 180 degrees more room for the other 17 men to find space.  :thumbsup

Fact is it's not a problem. 

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« Reply #102 on: July 23, 2008, 01:53:53 PM »
serious its not a problem & been getting done every week for years now.
games over, bring on the Lions

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« Reply #103 on: July 23, 2008, 03:49:25 PM »
i cant believe the over reaction and hysteria  this has caused. rushed behinds happen every week, some at the beggining of games and others during and others at the end. who cares. slow news week. no players played up this week off the field, fevs contract was put on hold, so the media had nothing to talk about. only if melb sacked their ceo during the w/e  :sleep
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« Reply #104 on: July 24, 2008, 02:07:26 AM »
Rush-hour footy: Demons lead way
Geoff McClure | The Age | July 24, 2008

JOEL Bowden may have pushed through two rushed points which enabled Richmond to hold on for a win over Essendon last Saturday but the Tigers are not the most prolific in giving away such "free" points.

Far from it.

In fact because of all the drama surrounding Bowden's late-match antics we asked Champion Data to to check its season stats and we discovered the worst "offender" is Melbourne.

So far this season the Demons have provided the opposition with 57 points — a total of nine goals three behinds — ahead of North Melbourne with 55 points, St Kilda (54) and Fremantle (53).

The Tigers are mid-range on the ladder, having given away 47 points with the most miserly of the clubs being Sydney, which has rushed through 42.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/sport/roos-rock-pies-and-guess-who-wrote-banner/2008/07/23/1216492540996.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap2