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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: pmac21 on October 02, 2008, 08:11:44 PM
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Whispers also mentioned Seaby to Richmond ??? WTF
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Whispers also mentioned Seaby to Richmond ??? WTF
God NO! :help
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seaby is not that bad , would possibly be worth a R3 pick or a trade for JON perhaps...my guess is he's only 23 or so and would have performed better at senior level than what cartledge has shown...may be worth a cheap punt
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seaby is not that bad , would possibly be worth a R3 pick or a trade for JON perhaps...my guess is he's only 23 or so and would have performed better at senior level than what cartledge has shown...may be worth a cheap punt
I agree, there are far worse options available than Seaby for a cheap backup.
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West Coast ruckman Mark Seaby wants out
Greg Denham | October 03, 2008
WEST Coast's premiership ruckman Mark Seaby may be the answer to the prayers of several clubs after requesting to be traded out of the Eagles for more opportunities.
Seaby, who played a bit part in West Coast's 2006 premiership win over Sydney under the competition's elite ruckman Dean Cox, informed coach John Worsfold of his intentions to leave for an opportunity to get more game time at another club.
His Perth-based manager Wayne Loxley yesterday said he had spoken to Richmond, Carlton and St Kilda and would also discuss his client's future with the Swans.
"Mark has informed the Eagles that he wants to be traded and he hopes they can do a deal because he is contracted until the end of next year," Loxley said.
"He's basically been forced out by the dominance of Cox, who is rarely rested, and Mark wants
more game time. It's been difficult at times under the best ruckman and he aspires to be No1 at another club."
Seaby, 24, has played 97 games in five seasons and is prepared to move anywhere to play on a regular basis.
"West Coast's attitude is that they want him to stay, but we think he's good enough to be the No.1 man at a number of clubs," Loxley said.
"His form in the WAFL finals for West Perth was outstanding. He's recently married and would adjust very well. He's such a settled young bloke."
After withdrawing from the race to secure ex-Fremantle ruckman Robbie Warnock because of Carlton's massive offer, Richmond has expressed keen interest in Seaby, which would allow the
Tigers to play their No1 ruckman Troy Simmonds more often as a key forward. The Tigers have been placed on a tight budget and the Blues have offered Warnock a four-year deal worth $1.4million.
While Richmond will not give up its first national draft selection, No8 overall, its second-round selection (No26) could be used as part of a deal to satisfy the Eagles.
Tigers general manager of football operations Craig Cameron said: "We're in preliminary discussions with West Coast."
The Eagles, who will almost certainly replace Seaby by drafting West Australian ruckman Nick Naitanui with their first pick (No.2 overall), will demand a better deal than Richmond's second-round draft selection.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24437818-5012432,00.html
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Dammit, He's contracted.
I'd be pretty disappointed if we gave away a 2nd rounder for him.
3rd and JON would suffice hopefully.
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no :)
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He's better than Mark Blake
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He's better than Mark Blake
Isn't that kinda like saying having terminal cancer is better than being dead?
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If we give away our 2nd round pick for a dud like Seaby :banghead, Craig Cameron should be sacked on the spot. A good way to set the record for the shortest stint as a list manager in history.
Geez he's 24 and his stats are not far different from Patto's :P.
http://finalsiren.com/PlayerCompare.asp?SeasonID=2008&PlayerName1=Adam+Pattison&PlayerName2=&PlayerName3=&PlayerName4=&Compare=Compare&SelectedPlayers=1368%2C
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Perhaps we will use a pick to get Seaby we gained from trading. We need a mid-age ruckman to replace Simmonds and he Seaby may be worth a 2nd round pick to fill the void until Putt, Graham and any other possible ruck recruits come on.
Got to give something worthwhile to get something worthwhile. I just hope we gain another one or two picks between 15 - 30 through trades so a deal like this doesn't stop us continuing to increase our list depth.
Stripes
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He's better than Mark Blake
Isn't that kinda like saying having terminal cancer is better than being dead?
:lol
As long as we use a 4th rounder i'd be happy with it.
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If we give away our 2nd round pick for a dud like Seaby :banghead, Craig Cameron should be sacked on the spot. A good way to set the record for the shortest stint as a list manager in history.
Geez he's 24 and his stats are not far different from Patto's :P.
http://finalsiren.com/PlayerCompare.asp?SeasonID=2008&PlayerName1=Adam+Pattison&PlayerName2=&PlayerName3=&PlayerName4=&Compare=Compare&SelectedPlayers=1368%2C
bare in mind MT that seaby prob plays reduced game time as second fiddle to cox...his redeeming feature, He WINS tapouts, an unknown at tigerland since Roy wright :-[
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seaby fills a critical void in our list
at 24 his best footy is still ahead of him
with putt and graham developing, seaby will give them both time to flourish
Hopefully the cost will be minimal, but I somehow doubt it unfortunately
Line ball this one :-\
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I dont know what all this fuss is about picking up a mid aged ruckman.
We have 4 ruck/very tall fowards on our books now and dont we want to give game time to the three backups/learners ? How are they going to learn running around at Coburg ? Whats the point of trading away picks ?
I think if we are realy worried Simmo going down and about the results in 2009 then we may be better of picking up sombody like Jeff White in the PSD on a one year deal and keeping all our picks. He probably would be a better ruck coach to help bring on the other three than what Monkey is.
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JON for Seaby then lol.
Seriously good clubs put their faith in draft after draft. They don't give up top 30 picks for temporary measures. If we want a temporary measure in the ruck then we might as well keep Cartledge. At least he wouldn't cost us a decent pick. Then you trade for that extra pick anyway and pick up 3 top 30 kids instead of 2. Good clubs cop the short term pain for long-term gain and success. The Eagles would be laughing ending up with 10 picks inside the top 26 in the space of two years after winning a flag while Richmond ends up with just 1 pick inside the top 40 if other trades aren't done to replace pick 26. Spot the club that knows and understands how to rebuild their list ::).
It's these kind of trades if they go through which keep Richmond in mediocre-land. It's ironic too. We gave up pick 17 in the 2001 superdraft for Stafford because we were desperate for a ruckman. Are we going to stuff up another superdraft in 2008 for the similar reasons?! :banghead.
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He's better than Mark Blake
Isn't that kinda like saying having terminal cancer is better than being dead?
:lol
As long as we use a 4th rounder i'd be happy with it.
To be fair I was more just taking a shot Blake with that comment, saying you're better than Blake is not something I'd want on my AFL resume.
I wouldn't mind Seaby, he's 200cm and athletic, will be coming into his prime right now, having played almost 100 games as a 24 year old ruck is pretty impressive in itself
Would be happy to give our 3rd rounder for him, but that will be pushing it as they'll most likely want our 2nd pick. At most I'd offer Pick 26 for their 3rd rounder which would be 35ish I think
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JON for Seaby then lol.
Seriously good clubs put their faith in draft after draft. They don't give up top 30 picks for temporary measures. If we want a temporary measure in the ruck then we might as well keep Cartledge. At least he wouldn't cost us a decent pick. Then you trade for that extra pick anyway and pick up 3 top 30 kids instead of 2. Good clubs cop the short term pain for long-term gain and success. The Eagles would be laughing ending up with 10 picks inside the top 26 in the space of two years after winning a flag while Richmond ends up with just 1 pick inside the top 40 if other trades aren't done to replace pick 26. Spot the club that knows and understands how to rebuild their list ::).
It's these kind of trades if they go through which keep Richmond in mediocre-land. It's ironic too. We gave up pick 17 in the 2001 superdraft for Stafford because we were desperate for a ruckman. Are we going to stuff up another superdraft in 2008 for the similar reasons?! :banghead.
This is possibly the best post i have read in months.
:thumbsup
100% correct.
keep the blood.y trades FFS Richmond. We may find the next Jimmy Hird with a 4th rounder for Seaby.
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It looks like we are leading the charge for Seaby, as reported by Fox Sports.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,24442093-23211,00.html
"His manager Wayne Loxley said the Tigers were showing the most interest, with Carlton also in the hunt."
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If we give away our 2nd round pick for a dud like Seaby :banghead, Craig Cameron should be sacked on the spot. A good way to set the record for the shortest stint as a list manager in history.
Geez he's 24 and his stats are not far different from Patto's :P.
http://finalsiren.com/PlayerCompare.asp?SeasonID=2008&PlayerName1=Adam+Pattison&PlayerName2=&PlayerName3=&PlayerName4=&Compare=Compare&SelectedPlayers=1368%2C
bare in mind MT that seaby prob plays reduced game time as second fiddle to cox...his redeeming feature, He WINS tapouts, an unknown at tigerland since Roy wright :-[
The General wasn't too shabby either in the early 80s ;).
That's true bj that Seaby's reduced game time would affect his stats but a modern ruckman has to do more than just win hitouts otherwise Knobel would've been a star. They've got to win hitouts to advantage and be agile enough to link up through the midfield to stay in the game in general play. Whereas Cox has maintained his AA form despite no Cousins and Judd at his feet and a poor Eagles side, Seaby has been bloody ordinary. I just don't rate him especially if it's going to cost us a good pick in a strong draft. At 24 years of age it's not like he's young with plenty of upside; it's more WYSIWYG.
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Would be happy to give our 3rd rounder for him, but that will be pushing it as they'll most likely want our 2nd pick. At most I'd offer Pick 26 for their 3rd rounder which would be 35ish I think
The problem is being a ruckman Seaby's market value is significantly higher than his performance value. Being a premiership player would bump up his price as well (so was Ben Marsh ::) ). So pick 26 is probably a right market price to appease the Eagles "seeking a first round pick" :o but we would be paying way over especially in this draft. Seems a done deal going by that link HMH posted :help. Another RFC "quick fix" that trades us out of a draft :banghead.
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JON for Seaby then lol.
Seriously good clubs put their faith in draft after draft. They don't give up top 30 picks for temporary measures. If we want a temporary measure in the ruck then we might as well keep Cartledge. At least he wouldn't cost us a decent pick. Then you trade for that extra pick anyway and pick up 3 top 30 kids instead of 2. Good clubs cop the short term pain for long-term gain and success. The Eagles would be laughing ending up with 10 picks inside the top 26 in the space of two years after winning a flag while Richmond ends up with just 1 pick inside the top 40 if other trades aren't done to replace pick 26. Spot the club that knows and understands how to rebuild their list ::).
It's these kind of trades if they go through which keep Richmond in mediocre-land. It's ironic too. We gave up pick 17 in the 2001 superdraft for Stafford because we were desperate for a ruckman. Are we going to stuff up another superdraft in 2008 for the similar reasons?! :banghead.
This is possibly the best post i have read in months.
:thumbsup
100% correct.
keep the blood.y trades FFS Richmond. We may find the next Jimmy Hird with a 4th rounder for Seaby.
Beat me to it Dan, Best post in ages.
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The only trade i would be happy and content with is a very simple trade.
JON for Seaby. Done deal. I would even throw in Meyer(Steak knives) as well.
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Would be happy to give our 3rd rounder for him, but that will be pushing it as they'll most likely want our 2nd pick. At most I'd offer Pick 26 for their 3rd rounder which would be 35ish I think
The problem is being a ruckman Seaby's market value is significantly higher than his performance value. Being a premiership player would bump up his price as well (so was Ben Marsh ::) ). So pick 26 is probably a right market price to appease the Eagles "seeking a first round pick" :o but we would be paying way over especially in this draft. Seems a done deal going by that link HMH posted :help. Another RFC "quick fix" that trades us out of a draft :banghead.
I reckon he offers better value than you make out...his stats are reasonably good apart from hitouts, prob avg 13-14 possies , not bad as second fiddle...was a rising star nomination, can take a grab...I worry about using high draft picksa on ruckman , they are very very hit and mis..much better using lower pix and in any case their value tends to get overrated, i didnt see too many Polly Farmers at the GF last saturday...our R1 selection should be reserved for potential gamebreakers...already we have putt, Vickery doesnt look to be any improvement on that...Seaby will fill an important void that will help us take that next step
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Seaby is a single-paced ruck without the endurance that a modern ruck man facing 4 boundary umpires requires. Dominate left side that is easily read and got carved up at WAFL level at West Perth several times this year including being pantsed by WCE rookie Will Sullivan.
Admittedly he ticks a few boxes in terms of age, 100 games of experience and is a solid citizen, however when is Richmond going to wake up and develop our own rather than rely on other teams cast-offs, because the fact is Seaby is not in the best 22 for a team that finished 15th with a ruckman that has an injured foot. :banghead
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This looks like a desperate attempt to fill a hole in a coaches last year. Its typical Richmond and its wrong.
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Same old RFC.
we did it last year with chicken legs mcmahon and we are going to do it again.
Only prob is this draft is a gem
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Would be happy to give our 3rd rounder for him, but that will be pushing it as they'll most likely want our 2nd pick. At most I'd offer Pick 26 for their 3rd rounder which would be 35ish I think
The problem is being a ruckman Seaby's market value is significantly higher than his performance value. Being a premiership player would bump up his price as well (so was Ben Marsh ::) ). So pick 26 is probably a right market price to appease the Eagles "seeking a first round pick" :o but we would be paying way over especially in this draft. Seems a done deal going by that link HMH posted :help. Another RFC "quick fix" that trades us out of a draft :banghead.
I reckon he offers better value than you make out...his stats are reasonably good apart from hitouts, prob avg 13-14 possies , not bad as second fiddle...was a rising star nomination, can take a grab...I worry about using high draft picksa on ruckman , they are very very hit and mis..much better using lower pix and in any case their value tends to get overrated, i didnt see too many Polly Farmers at the GF last saturday...our R1 selection should be reserved for potential gamebreakers...already we have putt, Vickery doesnt look to be any improvement on that...Seaby will fill an important void that will help us take that next step
Seaby's averaged just 9 possies over his whole career and he did so again this year. Even as a second stringer that's ordinary. We bag Patto yet his stats from similar limited gametime ain't so different to Seaby's. Seaby also went backwards this year. Not a good sign for a 24 year old. I don't buy the 'Cox hinders him' line as that says we are accepting second best and for a good pick like 26 you shouldn't accept second best. Reminds me of when we picked up Shane Morrison and the club claimed he was being held back by Jonathan Brown :-X. Temporary measures are just that temporary whereas the kid we pick up at #26 in this strong draft could end up playing for us for the next 10-12 years.
I know there's the argument that pick 26 or any of our early picks could end up a dud so trading is a "safe" option. However clubs that think that way and trade away their good picks don't end up doing any good. Sadly Richmond has been one of them. As I said good successful clubs place their faith in the draft system. You don't just draft one ruckman over so many drafts either. If it means we end up with say 4 or 5 young ruckmen on our list and only 1 or 2 make it in the end then so be it. You can always trade away a surplus ruck to dumb desperate clubs for a good pick to keep the cycle going. That's the whole point. You try to get as many early picks as possible so over time you can sort and collect the best young footballers over many drafts to form a strong talented 22 with depth behind them. Yes it takes time for the list to mature when you have been starting from scratch as we have but it's the way to rebuild properly.
Hitouts to advantage is what is really important to a ruckman. I can't find those stats on the web though to know how Seaby exactly does. Robert Campbell percentage wise is apparently No.1 in the comp for hitouts to advantage. He now has a premiership medallion.
Btw Vickery can play in the ruck and up forward. He's not a one trick pony. Not that he may still be around at pick 8. We may go for a young mid or KPP instead.
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This looks like a desperate attempt to fill a hole in a coaches last year. Its typical Richmond and its wrong.
Except we're told under this 'new' footy dept structure list decisions have been taken out of the coaches hands and Miller is of course gone ???. A poor start from a new footy and list manager :-X.
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Dees in hunt for disgruntled Eagle
Sam Edmund | October 04, 2008
MELBOURNE has declared its interest in West Coast premiership ruckman Mark Seaby.
The Demons, who are resigned to being beaten by Carlton in the chase for Fremantle ruckman Robbie Warnock, will now turn their attention to the 200cm Seaby.
Seaby, 24, has told West Coast he wants to be traded, fed up with the lack of game time in Dean Cox's shadow.
It is understood he has put a $250,000 price on his head for next season.
Melbourne football manager Chris Connolly said Seaby would be discussed.
"He's 24 years of age, so he is to be considered," he said.
"Our major focus is to better our position in the draft. We had a focus on two players, Alwyn Davey and Robbie Warnock, because they have brothers at our club and we know them quite well.
"We're focused on a plan concerning players 22 and under, but at 24 there's an argument that he (Seaby) could help us."
Richmond, Sydney and St Kilda are also believed to be interested in the mobile tap ruckman, who has played 97 games in five seasons.
Melbourne, which is expected to use the No. 1 pick on exciting forward Jack Watts, also has selections 17, 19, 35, 51 and 67 at its disposal to satisfy West Coast.
One scenario would have the Eagles allowing Seaby to go to the Demons, with an agreement that West Australian star Nicholas Naitanui would be left for West Coast to snap up with pick No. 2.
"Now that he's made that commitment, we'll have a list management meeting on Monday night and we'll consider all things that are out there," Connolly said.
Warnock is desperately wanted at Carlton to partner developing teenage ruckman Matthew Kreuzer. The Blues have offered Fremantle pick 24 for the 206cm giant, but are yet to get a response.
"We have got definite interest there and we think he would add to our club," Carlton coach Brett Ratten said.
"He's out of contract and wants to come home."
Ratten said he would continue to inquire about Sydney forward Ryan O'Keefe, despite Swans coach Paul Roos wanting a first-round draft pick in return for the 27-year-old.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24443599-19742,00.html
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A couple of Eagle fans' views from BF
i think possible trades are:
essendon - seaby + pick 36 --> pick 23
fremantle - seaby + pick 36 --> pick 21
melbourne - seaby + pick 36 --> pick 19
port adelaide - seaby + pick 36 --> pick 22 or maybe something involving kerr and/or krakour
richmond - seaby + pick 36 --> pick 26
sydney - seaby + pick 18 --> pick 11
as you can see I (and most WC supporters) are keen on packaging him with 36, because if we were to get something under that pick, theres no way we'll be using pick 36 as west coast have limited delisting options.
Difference between Seaby and other classless traitors before him. Hes happy to stay for another year if Eagles cant do a deal. Eagles want a top 20 pick.
While Richmond are the early leaders most in the know says if Eagles have there way Seaby will be at Port Adelaide next year. Infact if i was framing a market id have Port 1.50, Eagles 3.00 and everyone else 20+. Richmond want to offer pick 26 and Eagles are still fuming over dirty tactics used to grab Mitch Morton 12 months earlier. Port are not only willing to offer Pick 22 but believe they can add a sweetner too to the deal. Seaby will go wherever we tell him.
Eagles are in the power position. By Friday he will either be a Port player or a Eagle. I can guarantee he wont be a Tiger.
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Dirty tactics used to get Morton? What a crock, they didn't even use the pick we traded to them, they used it to upgrade it. There's nothing dirty about not over paying when a player is out of contract and you have the #1 PSD pick.
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CC is yet to do a deal, so it would be premature to criticise him for any trade dealings, however, it does beg the question what are the cores values of the footy department management team when additional resources are being placed in recruiting & development, and then RFC trades for other clubs scraps.
Does Terry need more men around him saying "yes" ??
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Maybe we need to ask whether there is clear direction and leadership from the top :-\.
Let's hope this decision is taken out of our hands by another club or the media reports are wrong so we keep hold of our second round pick.
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I mean, is the Seabass really the answer to the RFC rucking problem ?
He puts up a good show when being landed and is the subject of technically proficient hooks, but lets face it, he just winds up as one of those novelties on a wall singing bad songs from a plaque.
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fair dinkum some of you are a bunch of clowns.......especially the moron that reckons Seaby averages 9 possesions a game....have you actually looked at his hit outs (which dont count as possesions)? ----and how much game time he actually gets??? you got no idea!!!!!!
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fair dinkum some of you are a bunch of clowns.......especially the moron that reckons Seaby averages 9 possesions a game....have you actually looked at his hit outs (which dont count as possesions)? ----and how much game time he actually gets??? you got no idea!!!!!!
Yep because trading away good picks for other clubs' second stringers and fringe players has done Richmond the world of good in the past :chuck.
No one said Seaby gets 9 possies from a full game. I said that's still ordinary even for a second banana . Seaby would get as much gametime as Patto who gets similar stats both hitouts and possies (and goals for that matter) yet Patto is classed as a dud while Seaby who is 3 years older is the answer as a first ruck ???. Do those who want him so desperately and are willing to give up a good pick like 26 in such a strong draft actually watch Eagles' games :help.
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One advantage I like if we are successful in securing seaby, means we would surely snaffle a class midfielder with the No 8 selection, adding Hartlett or sidebottom to our emerging pack of midfield options would be excitement plus :thumbsup
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fair dinkum some of you are a bunch of clowns.......especially the moron that reckons Seaby averages 9 possesions a game....have you actually looked at his hit outs (which dont count as possesions)? ----and how much game time he actually gets??? you got no idea!!!!!!
the only moron here is you pal.
if u thinking drafting seeby with our 2/3/4th pick then your the biggest fool on this forum.
There are no quick fixes here. We need to bring it back to basics and keep at it.
We made a mistake last year and we better not do it again.
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from today's Herald-Sun...
Richmond leads the race for disgruntled West Coast ruckman Mark Seaby and is said to be considering offering a second-round pick for the 24-year-old premiership player.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24450921-19742,00.html
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Richmond leads the race for disgruntled West Coast ruckman Mark Seaby and is said to be considering offering a second-round pick for the 24-year-old premiership player.
:P
It does say though "a" second round pick rather than pick 26 specifically. If another 2nd round pick can be found offloading surplus player(s) so effectively it's a player swap for Seaby (a la Simmo for Fiora) and we keep our picks then I can live with that. However if it is pick 26 for Seaby and we trade our way out of this strong draft giving away good picks then I'll be doing this -> :banghead.
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could be garbage but this was posted on BF
Radio report said this deal is about to go through and looks to be the first.
Seaby to Richmond
Polo and Cassely??? (Never heard of this guy) to West Coast
Sticking point is the draft picks
West Coast want Richmonds 2nd and will give Richmond their 3rd.
Richmond want to swap their 3rd for West Coast 4th pick
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=505544
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Nope need to keep away from Seaby. Will initially be touted as having premiership experience if he comes to us and that will be the hard sell to us fans as well as he is a ruckman and his career will more than likely be as long and as fruitful as another interstate premiership player who came to us in Clay Sampson. :banghead
Like I said keep away please. Not for a second rounder not for a third rounder. Not even for a half chewed twistie.
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could be garbage but this was posted on BF
Radio report said this deal is about to go through and looks to be the first.
Seaby to Richmond
Polo and Cassely??? (Never heard of this guy) to West Coast
Sticking point is the draft picks
West Coast want Richmonds 2nd and will give Richmond their 3rd.
Richmond want to swap their 3rd for West Coast 4th pick
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=505544
I would do that deal for the 3rd/4th round swap
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could be garbage but this was posted on BF
Radio report said this deal is about to go through and looks to be the first.
Seaby to Richmond
Polo and Cassely??? (Never heard of this guy) to West Coast
Sticking point is the draft picks
West Coast want Richmonds 2nd and will give Richmond their 3rd.
Richmond want to swap their 3rd for West Coast 4th pick
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=505544
:banghead :banghead
If this happens I know who'd be the winner in the deal and it aint us >:( :help
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could be garbage but this was posted on BF
Radio report said this deal is about to go through and looks to be the first.
Seaby to Richmond
Polo and Cassely??? (Never heard of this guy) to West Coast
Sticking point is the draft picks
West Coast want Richmonds 2nd and will give Richmond their 3rd.
Richmond want to swap their 3rd for West Coast 4th pick
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=505544
:banghead :banghead
If this happens I know who'd be the winner in the deal and it aint us >:( :help
Exactly, unlike quite a few others it seems, I actually rate Polo and I cannot understand why so many supporters are keen to offload him. No way I would do that deal. Just draft rucks later if need be, but draft youngsters all the way. Quick fixes have been of no help to us in the past 5 years, let alone 25, the only way is to keep getting youngsters until we get it right.
IF we have to get Seaby, we cannot give away any of our first two picks or Dean Polo.
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could be garbage but this was posted on BF
Radio report said this deal is about to go through and looks to be the first.
Seaby to Richmond
Polo and Cassely??? (Never heard of this guy) to West Coast
Sticking point is the draft picks
West Coast want Richmonds 2nd and will give Richmond their 3rd.
Richmond want to swap their 3rd for West Coast 4th pick
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=505544
:banghead :banghead
If this happens I know who'd be the winner in the deal and it aint us >:( :help
Exactly, unlike quite a few others it seems, I actually rate Polo and I cannot understand why so many supporters are keen to offload him. No way I would do that deal. Just draft rucks later if need be, but draft youngsters all the way. Quick fixes have been of no help to us in the past 5 years, let alone 25, the only way is to keep getting youngsters until we get it right.
IF we have to get Seaby, we cannot give away any of our first two picks or Dean Polo.
Geez some of you guys are hard to please
getting a ruckman measn simmo can play forward, it means patto can be punted, it means putt can focus on what he was drafted to do, be a power forward.
Dean Polo is a servicable footballer who is expendable, Jacko and to a lesser degree Jake King have made sure of that
we will be EXTREMELY lucky if dean polo can help us fix in one foul swoop the biggest deficiency we have on our list,
yet some only wanna do it by trading delistable players.
Its ridiculous.
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polo if given game time is more than capable of making the grade. he aint no JON or Meyer thats for sure.
any trade involving Seaby to Richmond will NOT benefit our club.
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could be garbage but this was posted on BF
Radio report said this deal is about to go through and looks to be the first.
Seaby to Richmond
Polo and Cassely??? (Never heard of this guy) to West Coast
Sticking point is the draft picks
West Coast want Richmonds 2nd and will give Richmond their 3rd.
Richmond want to swap their 3rd for West Coast 4th pick
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=505544
The Eagles 3rd pick is pick 20 so I'll swap picks with our pick 26 ;D.
Seriously, now that a ready-made genuine 1st ruckman in McIntosh is on the market then Seaby's trade value (and Warnock's for that matter) surely have dropped. The Eagles are trying to rip us off so the 4 picks they will use are inside the top 26 (2, 18, 20, 26) plus Polo while we are left with picks 8, 36, 42, 58 plus Seaby. They don't want to accept that 3rd/4th round pick swap because they won't be using that pick anyway. Well then forget the pick swaps and tell them like it or leave it.
Forgetting about Seaby for a moment, I like Polo too but if he needs to be sacrificed then I am open to the idea. As an average small he is a type of player that is fairly easily replaceable in the draft and we preserve our early picks. Sure we could be letting someone go who may end up playing some decent/good footy for another side like a Torney but he's no A-grader.
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Mark Fine on SEN was summarising day one of trade week just now and said there's been no interest in Seaby surprisingly.
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Popped over to the Eagles forum to see what they were saying about Seaby:
Seaby had a promising pre-season this year and looked more agile, but the fundamental issue of Cox being such a dominant player with a big engine constrains him to limited ruck time. His development has really stalled in the last 2 years
As for trades:
Richmond Scenario 1 - Pick 26 is not good enough and we can do better
Richmond Scenario 2 - Pick 18 + Seaby for Pick 8 and Pick 26
Pick 17 from Dees who expressed interested in today's Herald Sun is about right market value and I think they will offer this (or pick 19)
Pick 13 from Sydney is on the borderline of over the odds - maybe if we added pick 36 that would be a reasonable as well.
Thoughts?
As for Carltank - get stuffed
I dont think we are going to get much for seaby ..... clubs really don't rate him that much
I don't see his value any higher than 26 from Richmond
I would do 34 + Seaby for 17/19 though
Would we be interested in Richmond giving us pick 26 along with Kayne Pettifer or Dean Polo?
I still think Melbourne's pick 17 is looking good.
Melbourne pick 17/19 seems feasible. Melbourne need a ruckman moreso than Richmond, although Richmond will be up & firing in 2 years time and Simmonds could be retired by then.
As for Seaby's value. Nisbett should be happy with pick 26 (Richmonds). The draft is strong this year, and picks have higher value.
Hamish Mcintosh & Robbie Warnock on the trade table does not improve Seaby's value either.
If Richmond really are sniffing around, I'd certainly want to talk to them. I'd suggest Seaby + 20 for pick 8 (and go with Seaby + 18 if Richmond hold out). Perhaps even Seaby + 18 + 20 for 8 + 26. If they went that last option though, and we end up having to take a player beyond our pick 36 as a consequence, I'd ask them to upgrade our pick 52 to 42 as well.
McIntosh coming into the equation though is a bugger - clubs will go that way first.
http://www.eaglesflyinghigh.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=12849&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=90
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The Age says Richmond and Melbourne yesterday expressed interest in West Coast's Mark Seaby, who has said he wants to leave.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/roos-offer-up-mcintosh/2008/10/06/1223145262700.html
With Fremantle's Robert Warnock heading for Carlton, Richmond leads the pack of clubs keen for a ruckman.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24457822-19742,00.html
the price West Coast put on Seaby's head is a late first-round or early second-round selection which has cooled the interest of potential suitors such as St Kilda.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24456872-5012432,00.html
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Geez some of you guys are hard to please
getting a ruckman measn simmo can play forward, it means patto can be punted, it means putt can focus on what he was drafted to do, be a power forward.
Dean Polo is a servicable footballer who is expendable, Jacko and to a lesser degree Jake King have made sure of that
we will be EXTREMELY lucky if dean polo can help us fix in one foul swoop the biggest deficiency we have on our list,
yet some only wanna do it by trading delistable players.
Its ridiculous.
Not a case of being hard to please, but wanting the best deal for the Club
Do we need a ruckman.... YEAH but is Seaby the best available NO.
Would Seaby be of more value to the RFC than Polo... VERY MUCH DOUBT IT at the moment
My problem with them putting up Polo is the fact that there a couple of other players on the list that would have just as much, if not more trade value to OTHER clubs and they dont appear to be on the table.... why?
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Popped over to the Eagles forum to see what they were saying about Seaby:
Pick 8?? :lol
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Tigers want Seaby
Herald-Sun | October 7, 2008
RICHMOND will speak to West Coast over the coming days to try to hammer out a deal for premiership ruckman Mark Seaby.
While the Tigers were as stunned as everyone yesterday when North Melbourne put young ruckman Hamish McIntosh on the trade table, they remain keen on Seaby.
The Tigers' second round draft pick, No. 26, will be the key to any deal, although the Eagles may seek more for the 24-year-old, who has played 97 games.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24458158-19742,00.html
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Channel 10 news suggested West Coast want Richmond's first round pick, whereas Richmond are not even willing to give their second pick.
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Channel 10 news suggested West Coast want Richmond's first round pick, whereas Richmond are not even willing to give their second pick.
I hope that report is accurate
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Channel 10 news suggested West Coast want Richmond's first round pick, whereas Richmond are not even willing to give their second pick.
I hope that report is accurate
Ditto.
I hope we tell the Eagles to go forth and multiply. Picks are worth far more this year so rightly 8 and 26 at the very least should be off the table.
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I hope we tell the Eagles to go forth and multiply. Picks are worth far more this year so rightly 8 and 26 at the very least should be off the table.
Disagree about pick 26.
I'd use that for Hamish McIntosh....
26 + a player say Meyer or even Polo (although I am dead against trading Polo if no-one is aware).
Actually for Hamish I'd offer Pick 26, Raines (one I'd look at trading but doesn't appear to be on the table) and Meyer. I'd try and get North's 3rd round pick too
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Looks like any Seaby deal is off. Cameron said we want to keep our first two picks (Eagles want our first pick) and he wouldn't want to embarrass the Eagles offering a 3rd round pick. He expects Seaby to remain an Eagle.
Likewise we won't be giving up pick 8 for McIntosh.
http://sportal.com.au/afl-news-display/tigers-seaby-deal-unlikely-58181
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Looks like any Seaby deal is off. Cameron said we want to keep our first two picks (Eagles want our first pick) and he wouldn't want to embarrass the Eagles offering a 3rd round pick. He expects Seaby to remain an Eagle.
Likewise we won't be giving up pick 8 for McIntosh.
http://sportal.com.au/afl-news-display/tigers-seaby-deal-unlikely-58181
i think I like this CC guy, has a clear view of where we're heading that wont be compromised.. :thumbsup
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Looks like any Seaby deal is off. Cameron said we want to keep our first two picks (Eagles want our first pick) and he wouldn't want to embarrass the Eagles offering a 3rd round pick. He expects Seaby to remain an Eagle.
Likewise we won't be giving up pick 8 for McIntosh.
http://sportal.com.au/afl-news-display/tigers-seaby-deal-unlikely-58181
I hope we tell the Eagles to go forth and multiply. Picks are worth far more this year so rightly 8 and 26 at the very least should be off the table.
Disagree about pick 26.
I'd use that for Hamish McIntosh....
26 + a player say Meyer or even Polo (although I am dead against trading Polo if no-one is aware).
Actually for Hamish I'd offer Pick 26, Raines (one I'd look at trading but doesn't appear to be on the table) and Meyer. I'd try and get North's 3rd round pick too
craig cameron wants to keep both picks and unwilling to part with them for seaby, which is good to hear. I'd like to have seaby but not at the expense of either of those picks.
mcintosh on the other hand, i will happily part with pick 26 (+ player) for. Not raines tho, i'd still like to keep him. polo and meyer on the other hand i can accept, not that i dont' rate them, just that they're more expendable in my opinion
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Looks like we may trade away someone still.....
Richmond's interest in Seaby has cooled ... Richmond is reluctant to even offer up its second round selection, pick 26, unless it can move a player out and get another pick in exchange.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24462814-2722,00.html
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Good!
Only Sarge could get us another mid-late 2nd round pick at best and Port who are the only ones interested in him won't cough up pick 22. The Weagles shouldn't have been so greedy demanding a first round pick ::) as next year Seaby can walk. Cox will still be No.1 ruck in 2009 so Seaby will still be seeking more opportunty elsewhere.
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From 5AA last night:
Eagles get Farren Ray
Tigers get Seaby
Dogs get one KPP out of Hughes/Patto/Schulz/McGuane
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From 5AA last night:
Eagles get Farren Ray
Tigers get Seaby
Dogs get one KPP out of Hughes/Patto/Schulz/McGuane
Struth...if that happens then I give up
Only winner from that one would be the Dogs
But the source was 5AA ::) :banghead
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From 5AA last night:
Eagles get Farren Ray
Tigers get Seaby
Dogs get one KPP out of Hughes/Patto/Schulz/McGuane
Struth...if that happens then I give up
Only winner from that one would be the Dogs
But the source was 5AA ::) :banghead
Patto is a dud WP. They can have him for free
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From 5AA last night:
Eagles get Farren Ray
Tigers get Seaby
Dogs get one KPP out of Hughes/Patto/Schulz/McGuane
Struth...if that happens then I give up
Only winner from that one would be the Dogs
But the source was 5AA ::) :banghead
sounds like rubbish to me , WC wouldnt be too interested in ray...and those talls mentioned are all too important to us
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McGuane wouldn't be considered up for trade and the Weagles don't want Ray. The Dogs couldn't lose given Ray is a dud. Effectively a small-sized dud for a KPP. 5AA probably stole this off BF. The only merit this trade has is we can only afford a player-4-player trade now after trading away our 3rd round pick. If we trade away pick 26 too we might as well close down Punt Rd.
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from today's Herald-Sun..
West Coast ruckman Mark Seaby could remain an Eagle, with the Tigers reluctant to give away their second selection after swapping a third-round pick for former Port player Adam Thomson.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24473190-19742,00.html
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Seaby will still be in Cox's shadow next year. Do you ppls think this time next year we should try to get him to 'walk' to Punt Rd cheaply given he'll be out of contract?
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most people are actually unaware of rhe fact that seaby was very close to walking to the psd and to richmond last year.
Unfortunately he signed
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In 12 months time we will have a much better idea on Graham so can make a better decision on a Seaby-type. Personally, I don't think he would be worth the trouble but if we need an insurance/hole-plugger then he might have to do, as long as he came cheaply.
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Although Seaby will be out of contract next year, it will be difficult to pick him up in the PSD for "free" if we do make the finals. We would still need to do a trade.
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Ok, so next year we will go in again deficiant in the ruck division if Vickery plays a more forward role. Gus is there and is doing ok but he needs a real big pre-season and I am worried he will be prone to injury. Patto is at his best a CHF and a last resort as a ruckman and Putt is a long way off. Simmonds is also finished.
Last year we made a plea for Seaby but we did not have the trade bait and the Eagles backed off. Also Seaby still had a year on his contract so the Eagles had all the cards. This year if Seaby is out of contract we will be in charge.. totally.
Seaby has not IMO been given sufficient game or ground time and he must be a bit frustrated, due to the fact that Worsfold will not play two ruckmen in the same team and relys on others to cover for Cox when tired. I think Seaby is out of contract this year (unless he signed for longer) and is only 26 years old. With a solid pre-season and a new club and coach do we need him at the RFC?? His details are below but as I mentioned he has had little game time this year so don't be too judgemental.
It will be interesting to see if he plays this week with Cox and Natanui out.
Mark Seaby
Jumper Number 14
Height 200
Weight 99
DOB 01/05/1984
Recruited From West Perth (WA)
Career Matches 100
Career Goals 64
about
After being a regular for much of his career, Seaby found himself out of the West Coast line-up last season as John Worsfold opted to use Quinten Lynch as Dean Cox's understudy in the ruck. As a result of his form slump, the hard working ruckman only played 14 games, averaging 10 disposals and 11 hitouts per game. Seaby has always played second fiddle to Dean Cox and is due to play his 100th game this season. With the arrival of Nicholas Naitanui, he will need to work hard for a game going forward.
season stats
Kicks 11 Tackles 5
Handballs 14 Goals 0
Disposal 25 Behinds 0
Disposal Efficiency 68% Score Assists 1
Contested Possessions 11 Time on ground 60% (3 Matches)
Uncontested Possessions 13 Super coach 141 pts (474th)
game by game K H D DE% CP UP T G B AS
TOTAL 11 14 25 68% 11 13 5 0 0 1
Averages 4 5 8 68% 4 4 2 0 0 0
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Ok, so next year we will go in again deficiant in the ruck division if Vickery plays a more forward role. Gus is there and is doing ok but he needs a real big pre-season and I am worried he will be prone to injury. Patto is at his best a CHF and a last resort as a ruckman and Putt is a long way off. Simmonds is also finished.
Last year we made a plea for Seaby but we did not have the trade bait and the Eagles backed off. Also Seaby still had a year on his contract so the Eagles had all the cards. This year if Seaby is out of contract we will be in charge.. totally.
Seaby has not IMO been given sufficient game or ground time and he must be a bit frustrated, due to the fact that Worsfold will not play two ruckmen in the same team and relys on others to cover for Cox when tired. I think Seaby is out of contract this year (unless he signed for longer) and is only 26 years old. With a solid pre-season and a new club and coach do we need him at the RFC?? His details are below but as I mentioned he has had little game time this year so don't be too judgemental.
It will be interesting to see if he plays this week with Cox and Natanui out.
Mark Seaby
Jumper Number 14
Height 200
Weight 99
DOB 01/05/1984
Recruited From West Perth (WA)
Career Matches 100
Career Goals 64
about
After being a regular for much of his career, Seaby found himself out of the West Coast line-up last season as John Worsfold opted to use Quinten Lynch as Dean Cox's understudy in the ruck. As a result of his form slump, the hard working ruckman only played 14 games, averaging 10 disposals and 11 hitouts per game. Seaby has always played second fiddle to Dean Cox and is due to play his 100th game this season. With the arrival of Nicholas Naitanui, he will need to work hard for a game going forward.
season stats
Kicks 11 Tackles 5
Handballs 14 Goals 0
Disposal 25 Behinds 0
Disposal Efficiency 68% Score Assists 1
Contested Possessions 11 Time on ground 60% (3 Matches)
Uncontested Possessions 13 Super coach 141 pts (474th)
game by game K H D DE% CP UP T G B AS
TOTAL 11 14 25 68% 11 13 5 0 0 1
Averages 4 5 8 68% 4 4 2 0 0 0
i dont think we need another ruckman, especially a second string b grade ruckman, especially a second string b grade ruckman that the eagles value as a 1st or 2nd round draft pick.
We have Gus Patto and Vickery that can all share the ruck duties, all can rest forward as well. In addition we have Putt and Browne.
Thats 5 200cm players under the age of 22.
No need for Seaby IMHO
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Maybe if u went to a few games you will notice that this is a pathetic thread that should not even be entertained if we are to be serious
WE DONT NEED TO TRADE OUR PICKS AWAY FOR RUBBISH RUCKMAN
it's what has got us into this mess IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Woosha is a smart operator and if he doesn't play Seaby, well maybe just because its because he is S H I T.
Rocket same deal. Didnt play Mclovin because well he is s h i t also.
NO MORE TRADING OUR PICKS AWAY FOR HAS BEENS PLEASE
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I expect Browne to step up next year and play a prominent role. No requirement for Seaby (who I think is only very average at best). You must ask "how come Worsfold plays Lynch as 2nd ruckman if Seaby is any good"?
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Maybe if u went to a few games you will notice that this is a pathetic thread that should not even be entertained if we are to be serious
WE DONT NEED TO TRADE OUR PICKS AWAY FOR RUBBISH RUCKMAN
it's what has got us into this mess IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Woosha is a smart operator and if he doesn't play Seaby, well maybe just because its because he is S H I T.
Rocket same deal. Didnt play Mclovin because well he is s h i t also.
NO MORE TRADING OUR PICKS AWAY FOR HAS BEENS PLEASE
Maybe if u went to a few games you will notice that this is a pathetic thread that should not even be entertained if we are to be serious
Pathetic comment and very immature, please don't comment if you are incapable of holding a decent conversation.
WE DONT NEED TO TRADE OUR PICKS AWAY FOR RUBBISH RUCKMAN
Where did I say trade away picks? That is something you have made up in la la land between your ears
Woosha is a smart operator and if he doesn't play Seaby, well maybe just because its because he is S H I T.
Why did he keep him then??
Rocket same deal. Didnt play Mclovin because well he is s h i t also.
Another weak and inept chance to bag somone else at the club
NO MORE TRADING OUR PICKS AWAY FOR HAS BEENS PLEASE
WTF...???????????? Where did I say that
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I expect Browne to step up next year and play a prominent role. No requirement for Seaby (who I think is only very average at best). You must ask "how come Worsfold plays Lynch as 2nd ruckman if Seaby is any good"?
Good call Smokey although I hope Browne comes along quicker than Putt and Gus. I think that Seaby is out of favour at the club because he wanted to leave last year.
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Maybe if u went to a few games you will notice that this is a pathetic thread that should not even be entertained if we are to be serious
WE DONT NEED TO TRADE OUR PICKS AWAY FOR RUBBISH RUCKMAN
it's what has got us into this mess IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Woosha is a smart operator and if he doesn't play Seaby, well maybe just because its because he is S H I T.
Rocket same deal. Didnt play Mclovin because well he is s h i t also.
NO MORE TRADING OUR PICKS AWAY FOR HAS BEENS PLEASE
Maybe if u went to a few games you will notice that this is a pathetic thread that should not even be entertained if we are to be serious
Pathetic comment and very immature, please don't comment if you are incapable of holding a decent conversation.
WE DONT NEED TO TRADE OUR PICKS AWAY FOR RUBBISH RUCKMAN
Where did I say trade away picks? That is something you have made up in la la land between your ears
Woosha is a smart operator and if he doesn't play Seaby, well maybe just because its because he is S H I T.
Why did he keep him then??
Rocket same deal. Didnt play Mclovin because well he is s h i t also.
Another weak and inept chance to bag somone else at the club
NO MORE TRADING OUR PICKS AWAY FOR HAS BEENS PLEASE
WTF...???????????? Where did I say that
ooh please give me a break you have been found out pal. Its okay deal with it.
how do u think we would be able to get him? free trade. in order to be able to get Seaby we would have to offer up a draft pick or another player, which should be used on the draft.
you knew exactly what you meant and i am saying to you that we dont need has beens at our footy club.
Enough is Enough with that crap. Its time for a full rebuild no ifs no buts a FULL Rebuild.
Less money on rubbish players from other clubs and that money should be heavily invested on our youngsters.
if that means each player gets 2 development coaches then so be it.
Development and the draft should be our main focus nothing else
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Wouldn't give any more than a 4th round pick for Seaby and that won't get him.
I'd be very surprised if we are very active in the buying market this season. I think a new coach would want to have a good look (~ 1 season) at what he's got before discarding draft picks.
Gus is doing OK for where he is at. he got carved up by Kreuzer and friends but plenty of established rucks will and he will get better. How has Browne been going @Coburg?
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Same scenario was put up during trade week last year and the answer was no then.
It's no now.
I would not tank for the rest of the year and get a guzillion picks and early picks to trade for Seaby and give a fellow tanking rival an extra pick. No way RFC do not be stupid.
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Browne will play ruck next year with Patto pinch hitting. Give Vickery a couple of years to develop his body in the forwardline and then he will make a dangerous mobile ruckman.
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Wouldn't give any more than a 4th round pick for Seaby and that won't get him.
I'd be very surprised if we are very active in the buying market this season. I think a new coach would want to have a good look (~ 1 season) at what he's got before discarding draft picks.
Gus is doing OK for where he is at. he got carved up by Kreuzer and friends but plenty of established rucks will and he will get better. How has Browne been going @Coburg?
Yep thats going to help our club isn't it.
no to 4th round picks no to 8th round picks.
Gus is doing great, Vickery is exciting. lets develop Browne and Patto straight to the tip
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Just my thoughts on Seaby....
Every now and then there are players who are in the right place at the right time and end up premiership players.I think Seaby falls into that catergory.
His contribution in the 06 grand final was only 2 handballs and 6 hit outs.
Having said that if the Eagles are dumb enough to consider a straight swap for Cogs.......Maybe.
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West Coast wanted our first rounder for Seaby last year!
This year when Cox was injured, Seaby didn't even get a game. They let 3rd gamer Naitanui shoulder the ruck duties.
I think that says plenty about Seaby.
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Would rather develop Browne + draft another ruckman with late pick
No Seaby FFS
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Perhaps our 2nd pick in the PSD I would consider him
Would rather use our first pick on a kids that's trained with us, similar to how the Demons picked up Jurrah
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A slab of beer should do the trick :thumbsup
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No, its not the draft pick thats the issue, he would just be a list clogger, let him clogg some others sides list as he a bit player at best.
We do need to develop a core base from within before we bring in any top up players
If we do use a pick in the pre season I hope its number one for a young star who falls out of favour with his own club
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Anyone in particular camboon???
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No need to nominate one early as you never know a better one might put his head up. If we get first pick, get a good coach and have lots of room in the salary cap you would imagine we should be able to get the best available.
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Remember GC17 have the first 5 rookie picks this year. Unless a top player from another club has a falling out (unlikely) then you'd be better off using your PSD pick on a kid you may miss out in the rookie draft.
As for Seaby - Pass! He would only get in the way of our young rucks development. Gus, Vickery and Browne should be able to carry the ruck in 2010. They have basically done so this year so it's not an unknown situation. I would pick up another raw ruck in the rookie draft. We'll have something like 7 rookie spots next year if we fill them all.
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Talking of ruckmen out of favour, Blake has been dropped by Geebung and Ottens isn't back from injury yet either.
However as most others have said no thanks to any other clubs rejects as we have enough of our own thanks.
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Maybe if u went to a few games you will notice that this is a pathetic thread that should not even be entertained if we are to be serious
WE DONT NEED TO TRADE OUR PICKS AWAY FOR RUBBISH RUCKMAN
it's what has got us into this mess IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Woosha is a smart operator and if he doesn't play Seaby, well maybe just because its because he is S H I T.
Rocket same deal. Didnt play Mclovin because well he is s h i t also.
NO MORE TRADING OUR PICKS AWAY FOR HAS BEENS PLEASE
Maybe if u went to a few games you will notice that this is a pathetic thread that should not even be entertained if we are to be serious
Pathetic comment and very immature, please don't comment if you are incapable of holding a decent conversation.
WE DONT NEED TO TRADE OUR PICKS AWAY FOR RUBBISH RUCKMAN
Where did I say trade away picks? That is something you have made up in la la land between your ears
Woosha is a smart operator and if he doesn't play Seaby, well maybe just because its because he is S H I T.
Why did he keep him then??
Rocket same deal. Didnt play Mclovin because well he is s h i t also.
Another weak and inept chance to bag somone else at the club
NO MORE TRADING OUR PICKS AWAY FOR HAS BEENS PLEASE
WTF...???????????? Where did I say that
ooh please give me a break you have been found out pal. Its okay deal with it.
how do u think we would be able to get him? free trade. in order to be able to get Seaby we would have to offer up a draft pick or another player, which should be used on the draft.
you knew exactly what you meant and i am saying to you that we dont need has beens at our footy club.
Enough is Enough with that crap. Its time for a full rebuild no ifs no buts a FULL Rebuild.
Less money on rubbish players from other clubs and that money should be heavily invested on our youngsters.
if that means each player gets 2 development coaches then so be it.
Development and the draft should be our main focus nothing else
"ooh please give me a break you have been found out pal. Its okay deal with it."
Would have answered earlier but had to take care of a 16 hour drive to Perth, all I can say is WTF, you seem to be a very confused individual.
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Seaby named against Port, lets see how he goes. Lots of Power players out too, go Eagles win that 5th game. ;D
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No Cox and Kerr. Port will win unfortunately WAT.
Talking of ruckmen out of favour, Blake has been dropped by Geebung and Ottens isn't back from injury yet either.
However as most others have said no thanks to any other clubs rejects as we have enough of our own thanks.
Speaking of duds yep Blake is another one.
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Seaby is on the move East :help
Eagle may soar east
Seaby pursues trade to land top ruck gig
By Jay Clark
Sunday Herald-Sun 26 JUL 2009, Page S14
WEST Coast big man Mark Seaby will leave the Eagles to pursue a No. 1 ruck role elsewhere next season.
Seaby, 25, has requested a trade after slipping to third in line behind behind Dean Cox and Nic Naitanui.
Seaby and Fremantle key position player Marcus Drum are expected to attract considerable interest in October's exchange period after falling out of favour at their West Australian clubs.
Drum, the No. 10 pick in the 2005 national draft from Congupna, near Shepparton, has been continually overlooked in favour of 11 Fremantle debutants this season.
The 22-year-old swingman, who has played one game this year and 18 in four seasons at the Dockers, has lobbed on the radar of at least Carlton and the Western Bulldogs.
At 192cm, Drum can play at both ends of the ground.
Seaby and Drum are in their final years of contracts, with five games remaining in the season to enhance their trade prospects.
Seaby's manager, Wayne Loxley, said his client was ready for a fresh challenge after 102 games in six seasons playing second fiddle to Cox.
"We've sought an expression of interest from several clubs who are keen on a ruckman of Mark's quality,'' Loxley said.
"Given the chance, we feel he is ready to assert himself as a No. 1 ruckman.
"He has already got a lot of experience, but he is only 25, so he's still got plenty of good footy ahead of him.''
West Coast played hard ball in trade negotiations last year, demanding a first-round pick for the 2006 premiership player in talks with Sydney, St Kilda, Richmond and Melbourne.
Sydney, with its history of trading for recycled ruckmen in Darren Jolly, Peter Everitt and Jason Ball, is understood to be interested.
But Victorian clubs Essendon and Collingwood, two teams who could do with more help in the ruck, may also come into the frame.
The Eagles would have to soften their hardline trade stance or risk getting nothing for Seaby, who was prepared to take his chances in the draft if West Coast could not secure a deal in trade week, Loxley said.
The 200cm ruckman is prepared to go anywhere in a bid to play on a more regular basis.
The second-stringer has averaged 11 hitouts and nine touches per game and posed a threat up forward, kicking 64 goals, or roughly one every two matches over his career.
Coach John Worsfold has hinted a trade could be on the cards.
"He's out of contract and that's something we'll assess in October,'' Worsfold said.
"Any player wants to play well and play at their best.
"By doing that it's great for his long-term career.''
Drum, who kicked four goals against Adelaide in Round 16, 2007, has not played since he was dropped after the club's season opener against the Bulldogs.
The utility has been solid without being outstanding in the WAFL this year.
The Dockers have a poor record of letting go players who have produced their best form after moving on. Paul Medhurst, Peter Bell, Adam McPhee, Jess Sinclair, James Clement, Jeff White, Brodie Holland and Winston Abraham all hit their peaks after leaving the club.
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seaby i wouldnt go near, drum on the other hand, if they wanna give him away for pick 60 odd ... then fair enough.
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Watch this spot.... ;)
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Seaby= Hopeless, we have enough useless players at Punt Road
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Pettifer or Coughlan for Drum.
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Seaby is a hack & wouldnot push Simmonds out of a side :) no thanks
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Pettifer or Coughlan for Drum.
Did you not hear what happened to Pettifier yesterday
His career is over. He has no value & will never play league football again
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Trade Coughlan for Connerly
http://www.fremantlefc.com.au/Players/PlayerProfile/tabid/8469/Default.aspx?playerid=18386&typeid=1
Retained for another season on the rookie list, Brent is a young ruckman who pushes forward, kicks goals and covers the ground well. From Morwell and the Gippsland Power, he is agile for his size and with natural improvement he will continue to develop with West Perth in the WAFL.
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Given Simmo will be gone next year, I'm not sure if having a mature ruck body on the list as insurance/protection for our young developing ruckmen isn't a terrible idea. That being said, I wouldn't spend any more than the last pick in the national draft or a 2nd round PSD pick.
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So after the last few weeks would we take Seaby? If not him we need another ruckman and that is obvious as the stocks we have other than Vickers are going no ware for a while as far as skill goes.
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So after the last few weeks would we take Seaby? If not him we need another ruckman and that is obvious as the stocks we have other than Vickers are going no ware for a while as far as skill goes.
Seaby is Rubbish.
cant even make it into the Eagles side when they were down this year
a big no and if we do decide to take Seaby then ill know Hardwick wasn't our man.
kids kids kids no more rejects from other clubs especially ones like seaby
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Seaby = :chuck
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Better off to keep Simmo - Is he eligible for that veterans list thingy? And then we take a kid anyway .
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Better off to keep Simmo - Is he eligible for that veterans list thingy? And then we take a kid anyway .
Simmo was meant to retire.
if he dont then trade him or delist him
get young Victorian player Connerly 202cm Ruckman/Forward from Fremantle rookie list whos home sick
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Details on this connerly kid?
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I'd rather Seaby for free in the PSD than keep Simmonds
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Details on this connerly kid?
http://www.fremantlefc.com.au/Players/PlayerProfile/tabid/8469/Default.aspx?playerid=18386&typeid=1
Retained for another season on the rookie list, Brent is a young ruckman who pushes forward, kicks goals and covers the ground well. From Morwell and the Gippsland Power, he is agile for his size and with natural improvement he will continue to develop with West Perth in the WAFL.
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Better off to keep Simmo - Is he eligible for that veterans list thingy?
Not eligible. Qualifies on age but has only been at the club 5 years (10 years to qualify).
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It's better off to go with youngsters than picking up temporary fill-ins. The draft system rewards lower finishes. No point winning a couple of more games with experienced players who will take you nowhere.
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It's better off to go with youngsters than picking up temporary fill-ins. The draft system rewards lower finishes. No point winning a couple of more games with experienced players who will take you nowhere.
Well said!
Time to wise up Tigers
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Well after the way Seaby has started the season and during the pre-season the comments after I posted this thread make for some interesting reading.... to say the least ;D
I wonder how many people would now like to have him at the club??
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Well after the way Seaby has started the season and during the pre-season the comments after I posted this thread make for some interesting reading.... to say the least ;D
I wonder how many people would now like to have him at the club??
no not me they can have him.
you cant compare the swans to our club. Come on please
Do you honestly think if he was playing for the Tigers he would be replicating the same form he has been showing of late. No Chance!!
another player who will be found out very soon
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I hope that there's a better target this year.
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Well after the way Seaby has started the season and during the pre-season the comments after I posted this thread make for some interesting reading.... to say the least ;D
I wonder how many people would now like to have him at the club??
no not me they can have him.
you cant compare the swans to our club. Come on please
Do you honestly think if he was playing for the Tigers he would be replicating the same form he has been showing of late. No Chance!!
another player who will be found out very soon
I didn't compare the Swans to our club did I!! He hasn't been found out yet but most of our players have including our entire ruck devision.
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Well after the way Seaby has started the season and during the pre-season the comments after I posted this thread make for some interesting reading.... to say the least ;D
I wonder how many people would now like to have him at the club??
no not me they can have him.
you cant compare the swans to our club. Come on please
Do you honestly think if he was playing for the Tigers he would be replicating the same form he has been showing of late. No Chance!!
another player who will be found out very soon
I didn't compare the Swans to our club did I!! He hasn't been found out yet but most of our players have including our entire ruck devision.
Far harder to be found out when the Swans are an experienced team who need a player just like Seaby compared to a team like Richmond starting from scratch with 14 new players and destined for bottom 2.
Seaby would be no good for us and we would be no good long-term solution for him, that's why we got Simmonds for one more year.
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I am not quite sure when supporters are going to realise that we need the balance of experience (decent players) and youth while we are re-building. I think some supporters have been caught up in this whole "play the youth" a little too much.
With a team full of youth we will never get any ware, we need the experienced players like Seaby etc to help us through this stage until our groups average age is one where we can move ahead as a group.
Seaby would have done better than Graham and Simmonds at the moment. He may of given us first use of the ball instead of us being completely flogged out of the centre, please see game against Dogs. He could have also drifted forward and helped out Jack and co, we rely and put too much pressure on the youth at this club and without the support of players like the Seaby's of the AFL we will stay in our ses pit.... IMO.. :)
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I am not quite sure when supporters are going to realise that we need the balance of experience (decent players) and youth while we are re-building. I think some supporters have been caught up in this whole "play the youth" a little too much.
With a team full of youth we will never get any ware, we need the experienced players like Seaby etc to help us through this stage until our groups average age is one where we can move ahead as a group.
Seaby would have done better than Graham and Simmonds at the moment. He may of given us first use of the ball instead of us being completely flogged out of the centre, please see game against Dogs. He could have also drifted forward and helped out Jack and co, we rely and put too much pressure on the youth at this club and without the support of players like the Seaby's of the AFL we will stay in our ses pit.... IMO.. :)
We got plenty of first use of the pill against the dogs, infact it was one of our only positives. Maybe he could have drifted forward but I hope Griffiths will be doing that in a couple of weeks.
Not going to say you're wrong that you need experience as I don't have the knowledge to tell you that comclusively but one thing I do know is Sydney gave away pick 22 to get Seaby and there is no way in hell we should or would be giving away draft selections in that area for a player the standard of Seaby for the benefit we would get out of him.
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I am not quite sure when supporters are going to realise that we need the balance of experience (decent players) and youth while we are re-building. I think some supporters have been caught up in this whole "play the youth" a little too much.
With a team full of youth we will never get any ware, we need the experienced players like Seaby etc to help us through this stage until our groups average age is one where we can move ahead as a group.
Seaby would have done better than Graham and Simmonds at the moment. He may of given us first use of the ball instead of us being completely flogged out of the centre, please see game against Dogs. He could have also drifted forward and helped out Jack and co, we rely and put too much pressure on the youth at this club and without the support of players like the Seaby's of the AFL we will stay in our ses pit.... IMO.. :)
We got plenty of first use of the pill against the dogs, infact it was one of our only positives. Maybe he could have drifted forward but I hope Griffiths will be doing that in a couple of weeks.
Not going to say you're wrong that you need experience as I don't have the knowledge to tell you that comclusively but one thing I do know is Sydney gave away pick 22 to get Seaby and there is no way in hell we should or would be giving away draft selections in that area for a player the standard of Seaby for the benefit we would get out of him.
Fair enough TA, but really watch the 1st 3 qtrs of the Dogs game again and even listen to Hird, Heally and BT, they all said we were being flogged out of the centre and it was clear to see.
I totally agree that we should not be giving up early picks for any player regardless of their talent as we are starting from ground zero. What we should be looking at though is to off load some of our less talented players with maybe 1-2 late picks for medium aged (24-26) skillfull experienced players that would relish a change.
I just think it would be nore benificial to the club.
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I am not quite sure when supporters are going to realise that we need the balance of experience (decent players) and youth while we are re-building. I think some supporters have been caught up in this whole "play the youth" a little too much.
With a team full of youth we will never get any ware, we need the experienced players like Seaby etc to help us through this stage until our groups average age is one where we can move ahead as a group.
Seaby would have done better than Graham and Simmonds at the moment. He may of given us first use of the ball instead of us being completely flogged out of the centre, please see game against Dogs. He could have also drifted forward and helped out Jack and co, we rely and put too much pressure on the youth at this club and without the support of players like the Seaby's of the AFL we will stay in our ses pit.... IMO.. :)
We got plenty of first use of the pill against the dogs, infact it was one of our only positives. Maybe he could have drifted forward but I hope Griffiths will be doing that in a couple of weeks.
Not going to say you're wrong that you need experience as I don't have the knowledge to tell you that comclusively but one thing I do know is Sydney gave away pick 22 to get Seaby and there is no way in hell we should or would be giving away draft selections in that area for a player the standard of Seaby for the benefit we would get out of him.
I totally agree that we should not be giving up early picks for any player regardless of their talent as we are starting from ground zero. What we should be looking at though is to off load some of our less talented players with maybe 1-2 late picks for medium aged (24-26) skillfull experienced players that would relish a change.
Easy to suggest these trades in theory, but damn hard to execute them when there is a man on the other side of the table working just as hard to do the best for himself and his club.
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I am not quite sure when supporters are going to realise that we need the balance of experience (decent players) and youth while we are re-building. I think some supporters have been caught up in this whole "play the youth" a little too much.
With a team full of youth we will never get any ware, we need the experienced players like Seaby etc to help us through this stage until our groups average age is one where we can move ahead as a group.
Seaby would have done better than Graham and Simmonds at the moment. He may of given us first use of the ball instead of us being completely flogged out of the centre, please see game against Dogs. He could have also drifted forward and helped out Jack and co, we rely and put too much pressure on the youth at this club and without the support of players like the Seaby's of the AFL we will stay in our ses pit.... IMO.. :)
We got plenty of first use of the pill against the dogs, infact it was one of our only positives. Maybe he could have drifted forward but I hope Griffiths will be doing that in a couple of weeks.
Not going to say you're wrong that you need experience as I don't have the knowledge to tell you that comclusively but one thing I do know is Sydney gave away pick 22 to get Seaby and there is no way in hell we should or would be giving away draft selections in that area for a player the standard of Seaby for the benefit we would get out of him.
I totally agree that we should not be giving up early picks for any player regardless of their talent as we are starting from ground zero. What we should be looking at though is to off load some of our less talented players with maybe 1-2 late picks for medium aged (24-26) skillfull experienced players that would relish a change.
Easy to suggest these trades in theory, but damn hard to execute them when there is a man on the other side of the table working just as hard to do the best for himself and his club.
Yeah true, truth is we actually don't have the players to trade for better players..
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Well after the way Seaby has started the season and during the pre-season the comments after I posted this thread make for some interesting reading.... to say the least ;D
I wonder how many people would now like to have him at the club??
Posts in this thread have shown I would have been happy to have him at the club, just not for a cost
Sydney got the deal done in the swap for Amon Buchanan plus draft picks changing hands.
Not sure we had the player to swap for him, and I wouldn't have wanted it to have cost us any places in the draft either
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We were once interested in getting Seaby across 3-to-4 years ago. He's been delisted by the Swans today. A cheap mature spare ruck option as insurance or a waste of time now?
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We were once interested in getting Seaby across 3-to-4 years ago. He's been delisted by the Swans today. A cheap mature spare ruck option as insurance or a waste of time now?
Just waiting for WAT's reply on this, reading from the posts above he seems to be the resident Seaby expert :lol
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Wouldn't be a bad rookie choice if he lasted that long. If not eh
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We were once interested in getting Seaby across 3-to-4 years ago. He's been delisted by the Swans today. A cheap mature spare ruck option as insurance or a waste of time now?
Waste of time.
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We were once interested in getting Seaby across 3-to-4 years ago. He's been delisted by the Swans today. A cheap mature spare ruck option as insurance or a waste of time now?
:fishing
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Waste
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Agree 100%!
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starring role in Jurassic Park 5
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if we are looking for a mature ruckman why not someone like hannah from central districts.
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See... Bye hahahahahahaha
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Get SeaBin :fishing
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I broke the news on SeaBuicuit
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I broke the news on SeaBuicuit
You wish
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I broke the news on SeaBuicuit
You wish
>:(