One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on November 11, 2008, 08:02:25 PM
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What do we all think of the Grand Final ticket guarantee idea for $75?
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By popular demand - and to coincide with 2008's strong finish - Richmond has launched a new membership upgrade. It’s called the Grand Final Ticket Guarantee – and it secures you access to purchase a 2009 Grand Final ticket if the Tigers make it through to that ‘one day in September’.
Members who secure a Grand Final Ticket Guarantee will be given the first right to renew the Guarantee each season. With a limited number available, you need to get in now so you don’t miss out on Richmond Grand Final action in years to come. You've supported the Tigers through some tough times - make sure you are there to celebrate the good times with us.
The Grand Final Ticket Guarantee is available as an upgrade of $75 with the purchase of any 2009 match-day membership. Should Richmond participate, a Grand Final ticket will be reserved for you to purchase in the same category as your membership (adult or concession - junior members will have a concession ticket reserved as there is no junior priced ticketing for the Grand Final).
RFC site link (http://www.clubsonline.com.au/shop/index.cfm?fuseaction=Display_Product&ProductID=3441&orgid=3811&cfid=23202635&cftoken=11676519&dts=1111200851633)
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Interesting to see how many people sign up. Free money for the club next year as we are still a fair way away from challenging.
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Herald-Sun today says we haven't yet reached a cap on GF spots available yet but we believe we will.
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I got one, you never know, swans would never have thought theyd play off in the big one a few yrs back letalone win one :shh
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Yep it was too tempting even though it's highly unlikely we'll make it next year unless some miracle happened. After 28 years I'd be spewing to miss out.
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I got one. Hey its a $75 insurance policy. Helps the club out financially and gives me an opportunity to see us if we get there.
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Not me, I'll cross that bridge if we come to it.
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Not me, I'll cross that bridge if we come to it.
Don't you mean "when" we come to it? ??? :)
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Not me, I'll cross that bridge if we come to it.
Don't you mean "when" we come to it? ??? :)
To me, its still an "if" for 2009 - which is what we are talking about. If we have a strong 2009 and win a final, then it might be worth some serious thought for 2010.
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the way it was painted to me is that it's like an MCC membership...once your on you get preference to sign on again the following year first. Once the allotment is filled, you go on a waiting list. I took it anyway...as others have said...just in case and the money goes to the tiges so I don't mind too much if its a cash grab...for now
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I got it - the thought of missing out on a grand final after all this time of supporting them is unthinkable. Good insurance policy
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I got it - the thought of missing out on a grand final after all this time of supporting them is unthinkable. Good insurance policy
Although I haven't signed up for it because I am guaranteed GF tkts with my membership (coterie) I think it is a great insurance policy because once sigend you get the preference to it every year. Also for people that have been members forever they deserve a GF ticket and this is probably fairest way to ensure especially clubs now know that each competing team will get 11,500 GF tickets for their members.
The fact that it is sensational money spinner for the club is just an added bonus. Just think 8000 people sign up thats $600k in the coffers :clapping
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WP - I think it's limited to 5000, but your point still stands
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WP - I think it's limited to 5000, but your point still stands
Imfamy I don't know what the GF Guarantee limit number is at the RFC but it is in Sunday's papers that competing GF teams get 11500 tickets each for their members. So I was working on an assumption of keeping under the 11.5k. ;D
I know that there are other membership categories that guarantee GF tickets - Player Club being one (that's mine).
As I said it's a great way to raise extra $$$ while ensuring people get a GF ticket :clapping
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This came with the membership package....
Grand Final Ticket Guarantee
Season 2009 is an exciting time for the Richmond Football Club. The Tigers enter 2009 off the back of eight wins from 11 games in the second half of 2008. We are building towards premiership success and we want all of you behind us as we head towards September - your support is a key to our success.
By purchasing a 'Grand final Ticket Guarantee' you have guaranteed yourself access to purchase a ticket to the 2009 AFL Grand Final should Richmond qualify*.
With a limited number available, members who have secured a Grand Final Ticket Guarantee now will have the first right to renew that guarantee each season - so you can ensure you don't miss out on Richmond Grand Final action in years to come!
If the Tigers make it through to that 'one day in September' a Grand Final ticket will be reserved for you to purchase in the same category^ as your membership. Members will be entitled to purchase one AFL Grand Final ticket per Grand Final Ticket Guarantee and accompanying match-day membership.
The process for accessing and purchasing a Grand Final ticket will be advised, should Richmond compete in the 2009 AFL Finals Series. Please check the Richmond website (richmondfc.com.au) and the AFL website (afl.com.au) in August/September for details.
If you have any queries relating to the above, please do not hesitate to call Member and Supporter Services on 1300 136 605 and we will be happy to assist.
* Members with guaranteed access to purchase an AFL Grand Final ticket must follow the AFL ticketing process in order to obtain their ticket.
^ 'Category' refers to Adult or Concession (Junior members will be entitled to purchase a Concession ticket as no junior priced tickets are available for the Grand Final). 'Category' does not refer to the type or quality of Grand Final ticket that will be made available for purchase.
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Those that have purchased this will probably be interested in this thread from BF
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=796120
...and probably not too happy
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I don't mind upgrading to social club membership, but my wife might, considering she doesn't know she's a member, and she barracks for Carlton :whistle
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I don't mind upgrading to social club membership, but my wife might, considering she doesn't know she's a member, and she barracks for Carlton :whistle
I hope you are keeping track of all this.
tangled web and all...
:thumbsup
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...and probably not too happy
No, not happy at all if that's the case.
If it is, it's the last time I buy a membership!
I'll watch it on the tellie and if they go bust screw 'em!
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This is the literature for 2010
Grand Final Ticket Guarantee
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Click Here to Enlarge Price: $75.00
Guarantee your access to purchase a ticket to the 2010 AFL Grand Final should Richmond compete by adding the Grand Final Ticket Guarantee to your membership.
GFTG must be purchased in conjunction with a 2010 match-access membership. There are limited numbers available. Once you upgrade to the Grand Final Ticket Guarantee you will have the first right to renew this option each season. Members with guaranteed access to purchase an AFL Grand Final ticket must follow the AFL ticketing process in order to obtain their ticket. Social Club members do not need to purchase the GFTG as guaranteed access to a Grand Final ticket is included in their package. Please see website for terms and conditions, www.richmondfc.com.au.
Link
https://www.clubsonline.com.au/shop/...=1111200851633
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Official Line - phasing it out as a stand alone option :banghead
Official line
Thank you for purchasing a Grand Final Ticket Guarantee in 2011. By making this purchase you have ensured that if Richmond compete in the 2011 Grand Final, then you will have priority access to purchase one AFL Grand Final ticket per Grand Final Ticket Guarantee and accompanying match-day membership.
The process for accessing and purchasing a Grand Final ticket will be advised, should Richmond compete in the 2011 AFL Finals Series. Please check the Richmond website (richmondfc.com.au) and the AFL website (afl.com.au) in August/September for details.
With the Social Club set to re-open at the re-developed Punt Road facility, the Club have made the decision that the Grand Final Ticket guarantee (GFTG), as a stand alone product, will be phased out over the next 3 years.
Price increases to the GFTG will eventually see it fall in line with Social Club membership and be subsequently replaced by it. For those members who committed to purchasing the GFTG in 2009, the Club’s commitment to you that you would have the first right each season to renew your GFTG will not change. As long as you continue to renew your GFTG, you will continue to have priority to purchase tickets should Richmond play in the Grand Final.
As some of you would be aware, the Club worked very hard in 2010 to improve the quality of the Social Club membership. Despite the fact that we didn’t have a Social Club facility, we were able to provide guest speakers such as Matthew Richardson, Ben Cousins, Gary March, Brendon Gale, Jack Riewoldt, Nathan Foley, Ben Nason, Mitch Farmer, Graham Polak & Dale Weightman at after match functions at both the MCG and Etihad Stadium.
In addition to speakers such as those mentioned above, 2011 Social Club membership will include great benefits such as:
· Access to Richmond’s brand new Social Club which is housed in the $20 million Punt Road redevelopment at all home games.
· A premium match day function where finger food will be provided (game to be nominated prior to the commencement of the season).
· Access to the Yarra Park Room at the MCG and Victory Room at Etihad Stadium
· You will be the first to hear the Richmond’s team selection each game via text message before the teams are released to the media.
· Guaranteed access to purchase a Grand Final ticket if Richmond is participating.
· Access to guest passes.
Should you wish to take advantage of the Social Club facilities in 2011 and you would like to upgrade your GFTG to Social Club membership, then please contact Member and Supporter Services on 1300 RICHMOND (1300 742 466) or email us at membership@richmondfc.com.au.
Kind Regards
Cain Liddle
Member & Retail Operations Manager
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=796120
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Well it seems going by what you've posted FNM that they are "guarantee"ing the GFTG for 3 years with steady increases over those 3 years to basically bring its cost into line with the social club cost. :-\
I reckon they've created a "monster" for themselves with it to be honest and they don't quite know how to fix it
Personally I would seriously consider offering all GFTG holders social club membership at a reduced rate (say half price) for this season or next (2012) and then going forward charge the normal price or increment increases over a 3 year period. In other words do what they are doing now but bascially guarantee Social Club memebership rather than hoping people move over to it
Just off the top of my head another option could be to offer a 2 tiered Social Club membership. Tier 1 would get you all the "bells & whistles" and tier 2 would only grant you limted access to the actually Social Club - not sure how you could work it .... :-\ perhaps it's a just a stupid idea ;D
Whatever they do or don't do they are going to upset a number of members who took up the GFTG offer simply because it was all they could afford ....
As I said they've created a problem that's not easily solved
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I don't want a social club membership, can't afford footy any more and no interest in going back there after a game :help
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Well it seems going by what you've posted FNM that they are "guarantee"ing the GFTG for 3 years with steady increases over those 3 years to basically bring its cost into line with the social club cost. :-\
I reckon they've created a "monster" for themselves with it to be honest and they don't quite know how to fix it
Personally I would seriously consider offering all GFTG holders social club membership at a reduced rate (say half price) for this season or next (2012) and then going forward charge the normal price or increment increases over a 3 year period. In other words do what they are doing now but bascially guarantee Social Club memebership rather than hoping people move over to it
Just off the top of my head another option could be to offer a 2 tiered Social Club membership. Tier 1 would get you all the "bells & whistles" and tier 2 would only grant you limted access to the actually Social Club - not sure how you could work it .... :-\ perhaps it's a just a stupid idea ;D
Whatever they do or don't do they are going to upset a number of members who took up the GFTG offer simply because it was all they could afford ....
As I said they've created a problem that's not easily solved
Maybe they could offer Social Club membership for the same cost as the GFTG charge for the next 3 years - thereafter charge people the same as everyone else.
Bottom line is that the club probably owe those supporters the $200 odd dollars back in some form of reciprocal value.
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The way i read the original offer, it was going to be like a MCC membership/AFL membership, I assumed it would go up every year and I expected that.
But I didn't think they would be so conniving that they would introduce it when we were down the bottom, get people in who thought they were contributing to the club even though we knew we wouldn't make a grand final, but one day our investment and loyalty would pay off in the end.
I cannot be loyal in renewing my membership to a club that would do that to its die-hard supporters who've been supporting them for too many years to count!
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The way i read the original offer, it was going to be like a MCC membership/AFL membership, I assumed it would go up every year and I expected that.
But I didn't think they would be so conniving that they would introduce it when we were down the bottom, get people in who thought they were contributing to the club even though we knew we wouldn't make a grand final, but one day our investment and loyalty would pay off in the end.
I cannot be loyal in renewing my membership to a club that would do that to its die-hard supporters who've been supporting them for too many years to count!
I totally agree with you feeling peed off - the club have done the wrong thing but the club have largely done the right thing by me over the 40 odd years of my supporting and I'd like to think if you stepped back and looked at their overall value to you - it might be a similar storey.
Cracking it and walking away after they have made one big mistake makes me start to wonder if you are actually KB!!!!
youre starting to sound like KB!!!
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The way i read the original offer, it was going to be like a MCC membership/AFL membership, I assumed it would go up every year and I expected that.
But I didn't think they would be so conniving that they would introduce it when we were down the bottom, get people in who thought they were contributing to the club even though we knew we wouldn't make a grand final, but one day our investment and loyalty would pay off in the end.
I cannot be loyal in renewing my membership to a club that would do that to its die-hard supporters who've been supporting them for too many years to count!
I totally agree with you feeling peed off - the club have done the wrong thing but the club have largely done the right thing by me over the 40 odd years of my supporting and I'd like to think if you stepped back and looked at their overall value to you - it might be a similar storey.
Cracking it and walking away after they have made one big mistake makes me start to wonder if you are actually KB!!!!
youre starting to sound like KB!!!
No, not KB. Just can't afford footy any more.
I paid over the odds for 20 years, buying memberships I couldn't afford, sponsoring players I couldn't afford, working for the club for 10 years helping them out and glad to do so.
No mate, you have got the wrong idea. I have been very loyal to this club, more than they deserve sometimes.
I simply can't afford it. I would be like to be as rich as some, but I am not.
So I intend to live within my means from now on and, unfortunately, I cannot afford a Richmond Football Club membership.
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The way i read the original offer, it was going to be like a MCC membership/AFL membership, I assumed it would go up every year and I expected that.
But I didn't think they would be so conniving that they would introduce it when we were down the bottom, get people in who thought they were contributing to the club even though we knew we wouldn't make a grand final, but one day our investment and loyalty would pay off in the end.
I cannot be loyal in renewing my membership to a club that would do that to its die-hard supporters who've been supporting them for too many years to count!
I totally agree with you feeling peed off - the club have done the wrong thing but the club have largely done the right thing by me over the 40 odd years of my supporting and I'd like to think if you stepped back and looked at their overall value to you - it might be a similar storey.
Cracking it and walking away after they have made one big mistake makes me start to wonder if you are actually KB!!!!
youre starting to sound like KB!!!
No, not KB. Just can't afford footy any more.
I paid over the odds for 20 years, buying memberships I couldn't afford, sponsoring players I couldn't afford, working for the club for 10 years helping them out and glad to do so.
No mate, you have got the wrong idea. I have been very loyal to this club, more than they deserve sometimes.
I simply can't afford it. I would be like to be as rich as some, but I am not.
So I intend to live within my means from now on and, unfortunately, I cannot afford a Richmond Football Club membership.
Fair enough :thumbsup
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Okay
How about an OER levy.
Just enough per person to buy Moi a membership for 2011.
say 50 cents each.
Any excess we can donate to the TFT or is that the FTF or FFT or...
Anyway you know what I mean.
:thumbsup
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Okay
How about an OER levy.
Just enough per person to buy Moi a membership for 2011.
say 50 cents each.
Any excess we can donate to the TFT or is that the FTF or FFT or...
Anyway you know what I mean.
:thumbsup
Thanks for the charity 1965 ::)
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Okay
How about an OER levy.
Just enough per person to buy Moi a membership for 2011.
say 50 cents each.
Any excess we can donate to the TFT or is that the FTF or FFT or...
Anyway you know what I mean.
:thumbsup
Thanks for the charity 1965 ::)
Well we should look after our elders.
:bow
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FNM, I am absolutely with you. I am savage after reading this. I live in Queensland. I don't want a Social Club membership, I don't need a Social Club membership. I bought a Grand Final Guarantee in absolute good faith from the club I have supported all my life in the trust that their word was good and that this would guarantee me a grand final ticket for as long as I kept both my membership and guarantee paid up. I was never under any misguided belief that it was anything more than a donation to my club in the first few years (same as me buying a full membership as opposed to the interstate membership that actually penalizes me for putting in more) but I trusted that my club would honour their word and let me guarantee my seat by being a paid up subscriber from Day 1 and maintaining that subscription, regardless of how long that took or how much it cost. I was also not naive enough to believe that it would not increase in price but again, I was prepared for fair play - not a complete back stabbing backflip. I feel quite gutted at present to the point where I am also seriously re-considering my membership renewal for 2012 regardless of how well we do this year. And as for 2 more child memberships that I was about to buy? Not a f...king chance. Disgraceful Richmond. I have never been more peed off with my club than I can ever remember - Casey included.
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FNM, I am absolutely with you. I am savage after reading this. I live in Queensland. I don't want a Social Club membership, I don't need a Social Club membership. I bought a Grand Final Guarantee in absolute good faith from the club I have supported all my life in the trust that their word was good and that this would guarantee me a grand final ticket for as long as I kept both my membership and guarantee paid up. I was never under any misguided belief that it was anything more than a donation to my club in the first few years (same as me buying a full membership as opposed to the interstate membership that actually penalizes me for putting in more) but I trusted that my club would honour their word and let me guarantee my seat by being a paid up subscriber from Day 1 and maintaining that subscription, regardless of how long that took or how much it cost. I was also not naive enough to believe that it would not increase in price but again, I was prepared for fair play - not a complete back stabbing backflip. I feel quite gutted at present to the point where I am also seriously re-considering my membership renewal for 2012 regardless of how well we do this year. And as for 2 more child memberships that I was about to buy? Not a f...king chance. Disgraceful Richmond. I have never been more peed off with my club than I can ever remember - Casey included.
It really hurts that they could do this to their supporters. It isn't cheap any more and it's not just the club that is struggling, lots of people can't afford it but they pay year in and year out.
I just get a normal membership, reserved seat and my guaranteed GF ticket, but that's getting closer to the $1000 bucks and won't be long before it's over. How do families afford to go?
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Things change.
Prices inflate.
People sook.
As you were.
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Club only has one option in my opinion and that is to refund people there contribution made via the grand final guarantee program or just give free memberships in lieu for a couple of years to everyone on the program.
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buy a social membership..
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Things change.
Prices inflate.
People sook.
As you were.
There's nothing to stop them doing the same to social club members in the future.
The more members, the more coterie members, but not enough grand final tickets to cover them.
At least this was a system that if you didn't renew, or croaked it or something, the next in the queue would get it
And those who were paying for it wouldn't be getting it cheaply, as it would go up every year.
Yep, we're sooking but with good reason
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There's nothing to stop them doing the same to social club members in the future.
Correct.
You were guaranteed a G.F ticket the year you paid your $75.
Things change.
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Things change.
Prices inflate.
People sook.
As you were.
Have weathered my fair share of changes in life MM but don't have to bend over and take an about turn on a written promise up the rse. A sponsor would be happy to accept the removal of their logo from the jumper at the last moment because circumstances change? You would be happy to be denied entry to Round 1 because the club changed it's entry rules the day before? A contract is a contract, written or verbal, ethical if not legal. And when you have just launched your latest version of SOS based on the 'trust our message and plan' drivel we have been given (as it has now been devalued to) it is all a bit hard to accept.
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You were guaranteed a G.F ticket the year you paid your $75.
Things change.
Well they shouldn't change because in the literature it said we would be offered it each season
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This may be cynical but this looks like an attempt to shaft the members who dont belong to the "upper crust" supporters groups. Not saying the assumption is correct, it just looks like the club is trying to claw back the number of guaranteed grand final tickets into the future so the rich coterie guys dont miss out. I think its disgraceful even though I wasnt in the program. I really feel sorry for the people who were in it.
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Well they shouldn't change because in the literature it said we would be offered it each season
If it was available. The option is not available this season. Hence you're not offered it.
If you paid your $75 and you weren't guaranteed a ticket for that year I think you'd have reason to complain.
Things change.
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Well they shouldn't change because in the literature it said we would be offered it each season
If it was available. The option is not available this season. Hence you're not offered it.
If you paid your $75 and you weren't guaranteed a ticket for that year I think you'd have reason to complain.
Things change.
A deal is a deal, they reneged.
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A deal is a deal, they reneged.
Did you expect the $75 to remain the same until you die?
There is still a guarantee this year but you'll pay more for it.
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How many people were on this program anyways?
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A deal is a deal, they reneged.
Did you expect the $75 to remain the same until you die?
There is still a guarantee this year but you'll pay more for it.
I expected it to go up like everything.
Plus it was a good earner for the club, I don't understand really.
In a few years as it increases, it would have been quite an asset.
But it meant that the ordinary supporter could afford it - not everyone is rich, and with partner and kids, it's just about nearly impossible for most these days.
Good luck to you lucky people but remember those that have given a lifetime of support and get treated this way.
Watching on tellie doesn't worry me at all and I might pick up a GF ticket through friends or work. Take my chances on that and would be disappointed to miss out, but I'm not going to get screwed with promises and have them taken away when it suits them.
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How many people were on this program anyways?
I thought it was throwing away money so never went near it.
At least now we have some decent footballers and coach we have a slight chance hence I got my social club membership this year.
Couldn't say that in the Wallet years.
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How many people were on this program anyways?
I thought it was throwing away money so never went near it.
At least now we have some decent footballers and coach we have a slight chance hence I got my social club membership this year.
Couldn't say that in the Wallet years.
What does the social club membership cost?
:)
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I was on the program but I then upgraded to a Social Club membership so I cut the GFTG as I had a guranteed GFT due to my Social Club access.
When I signed up last year for the Social Club Membership was told there would be a guaranteed price freeze of $179 per season until 2014. Would that be the time that our premiership window will be wide open in 2015?
I am just wondering how much it will cost in 2015?
I can understand why some are peeved and I for one am not one who will sell his house and leave his wife and child on the street for a GFT in future but like all here I have invested enough of my energies thoughts time passion and effort and what not to the RFC and dreaming of their success and I know those tix will be so rare if we make it to the big one I am not prepared to miss out over the course of a few hundred bucks paid of over 12 months on Rolling Tiger membership but hey that's just me. When we win that release on the siren from all the yellow and black faithful will be a timeless unforgettable moment akin to man walking on the moon and I do not want to miss it.
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There's nothing to stop them doing the same to social club members in the future.
Correct.
You were guaranteed a G.F ticket the year you paid your $75.
Things change.
I was guaranteed first right of renewal each year - nothing about "if it's available". It doesn't matter how much you sugar-coat it - the club has done the wrong thing by those that took up this option over the past 3 years. From their 2010 Membership Brochure:
"GFTG must be purchased in conjunction with a 2010 match-access membership. There are limited numbers available. Once you upgrade to the Grand Final Ticket Guarantee you will have the first right to renew this option each season. Members with guaranteed access to purchase an AFL Grand Final ticket must follow the AFL ticketing process in order to obtain their ticket. Social Club members do not need to purchase the GFTG as guaranteed access to a Grand Final ticket is included in their package. "
Nothing about "IF we offer the option". No, that would have seen a significantly reduced number of take-ups on the option. Low behavior that has (in my eyes) completely undermined their credibility with the FTF. No donation from me - I have just donated > $200 over the past 3 years apparently. And I'm not interested in the reimbursement that was offered to a poster on BF by RFCO. I want the club to honour it's word, otherwise what can we trust from them?
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Social club membership
Adult $255 ($23.18/mth)
Concession† $165 ($15.00/mth)
Junior* $85 ($7.73/mth)
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I want the club to honour it's word, otherwise what can we trust from them?
You can't trust them because they only have a limited amount of tickets.
If they get more sponsors, the sponsors will get them before a social club member
It'll be exactly the same as the guaranteed Grand Final ticket in a few years, there simply won't be enough to go around and those who miss out will be posting in this thread as well.
Better to get out and let them fight it out, I've had enough!
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They've changed a few things this year with membership = coteries in particular :P (BTW RIP what was Player Club :'()
So I actually do understand why people are peeved and I don't blame them
The club has a made a huge mistake here more so in how they gone about it and I am not sure they can undo the damage this removal of the GFTG will/has caused
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I joined Ton Up in 1990 because they guaranteed you a series ticket to all finals at the G including the GF.
About three years later it was removed because there werne't enough tickets to go around.
How many social club members are there?
I'm not just being bitter and twisted, but I doubt there'll be enough to go around.
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I was guaranteed first right of renewal each year - nothing about "if it's available".
Renewal for what?
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I thought the whole this was a rip off anyway.
I'd rather put aside the $75-100 bucks each year and just buy one of the $1000 corporate tickets when they become available as they always do, they're even advertised on the footy show.
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I was guaranteed first right of renewal each year - nothing about "if it's available".
Renewal for what?
The ongoing option - by statement or implication it doesn't matter MM. The club is in the early stages of a massive fund raising campaign that in essence is asking us to trust their message of hope with our dollars. That trust has been proven to be misplaced with the GFG - what's next? Clutch at all the straws you want - they have behaved unethically, badly, by deliberately (it appears to me now) misleading us for dollars. Thought I was old enough to spot a con - just didn't want to believe my own club would pull it.
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The ongoing option - by statement or implication it doesn't matter MM.
Do you not have the option of a GF guarantee this year?
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The ongoing option - by statement or implication it doesn't matter MM.
Do you not have the option of a GF guarantee this year?
Yes, but it was meant to be ongoing
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The ongoing option - by statement or implication it doesn't matter MM.
Do you not have the option of a GF guarantee this year?
Yes, but it was meant to be ongoing
What? The price or the option?
Far as I can see you still have the option FNM.
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The ongoing option - by statement or implication it doesn't matter MM.
Do you not have the option of a GF guarantee this year?
Yes, but it was meant to be ongoing
What? The price or the option?
Far as I can see you still have the option FNM.
You would be offered the chance to buy the guarantee each season
That will be phased out now
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The ongoing option - by statement or implication it doesn't matter MM.
Do you not have the option of a GF guarantee this year?
Yes, but it was meant to be ongoing
What? The price or the option?
Far as I can see you still have the option FNM.
Not going forward - the 'very' implied option when it was first offered. That's the whole issue here. I wouldn't have a problem if they didn't sell the concept that way initially (the reason I took it up). My option now is to join the social club at a greatly increased premium for 'benefits' I don't want and will never use. And it turns out that social club members always had this option anyway - so really I am not getting offered a new option at all, but rather an option to discard what I had been promised and take up another much more expensive version. Wonder what everyone receiving the benefits of multiple years membership would be saying if they did away with all memberships except the coterie versions? Ante up or miss out. Yeah, that would be acceptable I'm sure.
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My option now is to join the social club at a greatly increased premium for 'benefits' I don't want and will never use.
I honestly don't get your gripe.
The GF guarantee is still there for you as promised, just more expensive than previous and with added benefits.
If you can't afford it well that's bad luck I am afraid smokey.
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My option now is to join the social club at a greatly increased premium for 'benefits' I don't want and will never use.
I honestly don't get your gripe.
You'll understand when they get to the stage when the social club membership gets too big and they'll draw people out of a hat who can get tickets.
smokey lives interstate, a social club memberhsip is totally useless to him, that's why he got the guarantee. They should at least honour their deal with interstaters, not many other options open to them
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My option now is to join the social club at a greatly increased premium for 'benefits' I don't want and will never use.
I honestly don't get your gripe.
The GF guarantee is still there for you as promised, just more expensive than previous and with added benefits.
If you can't afford it well that's bad luck I am afraid smokey.
It's not the affordability MM, it's the conditions the original option was sold on being removed when it suited the club. If the club is serious about wanting the supporters to come to it's rescue (yet again) with messages of hope and trust then it has to play the game itself. Can't you see how the trust has been removed by this decision? The option is no longer there for me. A social club membership costing hundreds of dollars more is available, just like the expensive coterie groups have always been available. And just like every other year prior to the GFG being offered - none of these options were affordable or suited me so I don't take them up. The GFG was suitable and was offered as an ongoing renewable (first right of refusal) option that I saw value in while supporting the club financially within my means. If the AFL took away the tickets that the club had earmarked for this option then I could wear it - the club had no choice in the matter - but I just see this as the club treating the members and supporters like cash-cows (fools) that will keep supplying money regardless of the message.
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The GF guarantee has gone up in price.
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All pigs are equal MM....................................
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All pigs are equal MM....................................
Unfortunately they're not smokey.
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All pigs are equal MM....................................
Unfortunately they're not smokey.
Yep, Orwell was on the money. So let the unequal pigs pay for the rescue - I won't be.
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So let the unequal pigs pay for the rescue - I won't be.
That's your choice. No one is forcing you.
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So let the unequal pigs pay for the rescue - I won't be.
That's your choice. No one is forcing you.
Never said they were MM but I have earned the right to be annoyed about it.
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So let the unequal pigs pay for the rescue - I won't be.
That's your choice. No one is forcing you.
Never said they were MM but I have earned the right to be annoyed about it.
Sure have.
What I want to know is, why hasn't the club sent a letter to everyone saying they're going to phase it out?
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I don't mind upgrading to social club membership, but my wife might, considering she doesn't know she's a member, and she barracks for Carlton :whistle
I hope you are keeping track of all this.
tangled web and all...
:thumbsup
Pull your head in.
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My option now is to join the social club at a greatly increased premium for 'benefits' I don't want and will never use.
I honestly don't get your gripe.
The GF guarantee is still there for you as promised, just more expensive than previous and with added benefits.
If you can't afford it well that's bad luck I am afraid smokey.
you onbviusly chose to ignore the comment around a social club that he wont use, that makes two of us, Im annoyed about this and sure as heck wont be joining the SC , so when does this take effect
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My option now is to join the social club at a greatly increased premium for 'benefits' I don't want and will never use.
I honestly don't get your gripe.
The GF guarantee is still there for you as promised, just more expensive than previous and with added benefits.
If you can't afford it well that's bad luck I am afraid smokey.
My gripe is contained in these words from the club's original official spiel:
"Members who secure a Grand Final Ticket Guarantee will be given the first right to renew the Guarantee each season. With a limited number available, you need to get in now so you don’t miss out on Richmond Grand Final action in years to come. You've supported the Tigers through some tough times - make sure you are there to celebrate the good times with us. "
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My gripe is contained in these words from the club's original official spiel:
"Members who secure a Grand Final Ticket Guarantee will be given the first right to renew the Guarantee each season. With a limited number available, you need to get in now so you don’t miss out on Richmond Grand Final action in years to come. You've supported the Tigers through some tough times - make sure you are there to celebrate the good times with us. "
They certainly have to say a lot more than, we'll refund your money.
Reading that just makes you sick
Not everyone wants to join the social club :banghead
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Not sure if this helps or will inflame things but for interstaters
The membership brochure I have here in front of me says Social Club membership for Country/Interstate 5 is $295 and it includes Country/Interstate 5 Membership.
So by my maths the social club component is $171 as opposed to the full cost of $255 for people with "normal" memberships
I know this doesn't help you smokey but perhaps that is a better option for you than a "normal" m'ship + the GFTG
And BTW I think the club needs to address this ASAP ans start repairing some of the damage that's been caused
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i was going to take up the GFG this year, but couldnt. For the exact reasons you stated WP, I took up the social club membership at only about 100 bucks extra instead.
I don't think, though, that detracts from the fact that people took up an option they knew they were not going to use in the immediate future, in the hope that 4-5 years ( or whatever ) down the track they may get some return, only to effectively have the option removed for some and become more expensive for others
It's probably prudent now, to wait and see what the club does next week when the feedback from this registers with the powers that be.
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received text from club yesterday and sent back a text saying yes. within 2 minutes i received a call from the club, within 5 mins my membership was upgraded to include the social club :thumbsup
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Not sure if this helps or will inflame things but for interstaters
The membership brochure I have here in front of me says Social Club membership for Country/Interstate 5 is $295 and it includes Country/Interstate 5 Membership.
So by my maths the social club component is $171 as opposed to the full cost of $255 for people with "normal" memberships
I know this doesn't help you smokey but perhaps that is a better option for you than a "normal" m'ship + the GFTG
And BTW I think the club needs to address this ASAP ans start repairing some of the damage that's been caused
Thanks WP. I wasn't aware of the Country/Interstate Social Club package, probably because I never had any interest or need in checking it out. Ends up being $40 dearer than my current full membership + GFG. So once I get over my anger at the sellout that has occurred, I guess my options are:
1. Pay $40 more to upgrade and get much less game access (although it would resolve my issue with interstate game access) but keep my GFG, or
2. Revert to my normal full membership and write my 'investment' in the GFG off, or
3. Maintain the rage and tell the club to shove it all.
Still not sure which of these 3 I will do. Bloody hell I'm angry with them. >:(
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Still not sure which of these 3 I will do. Bloody hell I'm angry with them. >:(
Believe it or not smokey but I really do know how you feel
I was fuming when I got a letter back in late Oct early Nov about the "changes" they were making to the membership/coterie group (= Player Club) I was in. I use the word "changes" very loosely BTW. I will admit I am still not happy about what they've done and yes I have spoken to them about my angst.
Can I add that I actually do understand (may not agree but do understand) why they make these changes my issues has always been about the way they go about doing it.
It's like you feel a bit "blindsided" by it and surely that isn't the way you respect loyalty
It is fine (not the right word I know) to decide to change things but gee the way they implement the changes causes a lot of this :banghead :banghead
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Still not sure which of these 3 I will do. Bloody hell I'm angry with them. >:(
Believe it or not smokey but I really do know how you feel
I was fuming when I got a letter back in late Oct early Nov about the "changes" they were making to the membership/coterie group (= Player Club) I was in. I use the word "changes" very loosely BTW. I will admit I am still not happy about what they've done and yes I have spoken to them about my angst.
Can I add that I actually do understand (may not agree but do understand) why they make these changes my issues has always been about the way they go about doing it.
It's like you feel a bit "blindsided" by it and surely that isn't the way you respect loyalty
It is fine (not the right word I know) to decide to change things but gee the way they implement the changes causes a lot of this :banghead :banghead
Yep, pretty much sums it up WP. I said last night that I could wear it if I knew the club's hand was forced in some way or they had a valid reason that they communicated freely to us but to keep taking our money for the guarantee while planning and moving behind the scenes to phase it out is not the way to win the hearts and minds of it's supporters.
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With the letter posted by RFC_O, (assuming it is the one sent out to members) it does not clearly spell out what is going on. Only if you carefully read it can you work it out. Anyone giving it a cursory once over , which most people will with a renewal of such ( perhaps not any more :P), would probably not digest the implications of such.
I'd like to think that this is not a deliberate ploy. :-\
I really hope the club reconsiders it's position on this and makes some sort of offer of appeasement to those involved.
I suppose it highlights just how much improvement there still is to be had in the running of the club, despite the improvements we have already seen.
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It's created distrust. What's to stop the Club changing the social club membership in years to come and remove the guaranteed Grand Final ticket if and when we reach 75k members say. If the AFL only allows 11k club members on GF day and there are more than 11k social club members what happens then. Does the club say bad luck you need some more expensive membership to get a GF ticket. It's like writing an open cheque. You don't know what's happening nor how much you'll end up paying. It doesn't create loyalty either. You might as well just be a bandwagoner, save up your dough and then wait until we start making finals before forking out for a membership that includes a GF ticket.
Anyway I wonder what Consumer Affairs would think of this?
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Anyway I wonder what Consumer Affairs would think of this?
I wasn't going to call them, but then I've been thinking, why not?
Loyalty is a two-way street in my book!
I contacted the club on Twitter, and they referred me to the Bigfooty post.
No explanation, nothing, just the link
How appalling they have treated us!
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It's created distrust. What's to stop the Club changing the social club membership in years to come and remove the guaranteed Grand Final ticket if and when we reach 75k members say.
This is why the GFG was a better one to manage.
Doesn't matter if you're rich, poor, interstaters or whatever, it was at a price most people can afford and they can set it at the numbers the AFL allocates the club for GF tickets
Also encourages people to buy their membership every year because as soon as you don't, you go off the list and someone takes your place.
Not everyone wants to go to the social club
And the social club members could still go there and get the benefits a social club provides, drink their beer, food, whatever and the club would still be making money out of their membership
But if they get more members than available tickets, what are they going to do then?
Come up with another bulllpoo scheme, no doubt, to rip you off :banghead
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It's created distrust. What's to stop the Club changing the social club membership in years to come and remove the guaranteed Grand Final ticket if and when we reach 75k members say.
This is why the GFG was a better one to manage.
Doesn't matter if you're rich, poor, interstaters or whatever, it was at a price most people can afford and they can set it at the numbers the AFL allocates the club for GF tickets
Also encourages people to buy their membership every year because as soon as you don't, you go off the list and someone takes your place.
Not everyone wants to go to the social club
And the social club members could still go there and get the benefits a social club provides, drink their beer, food, whatever and the club would still be making money out of their membership
But if they get more members than available tickets, what are they going to do then?
Come up with another bulllpoo scheme, no doubt, to rip you off :banghead
If the number of Social club members ended up exceeding the club member GF allocation they'd probably introduce different levels of Social club membership. Like a gold social club membership (most expensive) gets you the GF guarantee plus all the rest while an ordinary one is just for the food, drink and aftermatch guests. That's the thing there's no knowing. The demand will be high so the Club can say stuff what we said and we'll now offer what brings in the most cash at the time.
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This is the exact reason why i have 2 memberships. Double your chances gents i say
One a silver one soon to become a Full AFL member in 1-2 years and also a full RFC member for 11 years.
If it looked like we would make it i would upgrade my RFC membership pre season while at the same time having a great chance to get a grand final ticket with the AFL one.
My brother a keen Pies AFL member rolled up and grabbed a grand final with ease through a secluded ticketmaster store in our area.
No one is ever there so your pretty much guaranteed a ticket each and every time.
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Anyway I wonder what Consumer Affairs would think of this?
I wasn't going to call them, but then I've been thinking, why not?
Loyalty is a two-way street in my book!
I contacted the club on Twitter, and they referred me to the Bigfooty post.
No explanation, nothing, just the link
How appalling they have treated us!
When did you contact them via twitter FNM? It's RFC_O from the forums and all he is is a messenger. He doesnt make the decisions but is just a link between the supporters and those that do make the decisions.
Before you contact consumer affairs or such, wait and see if there is anything different from the club when they are all back at work?
Nothing is going to change between friday afternoon and monday morning.
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You will find there wouild be cap on the Social Club
All the coterie memberships offer GF tickets as well.
So between the Coteries & Social Club there would be a cap to ensure they don't go over the limit that is allocated by the AFL
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Social club numbers will be determined by how many people they are licensed to have on the premises.
I believe this may be the crux of the issue as it's possible there is not enough GF tickets allocated to service the GFG holders and the full quota of social club members which means they cannot sell their full quota of social club memberships
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Social club numbers will be determined by how many people they are licensed to have on the premises.
I believe this may be the crux of the issue as it's possible there is not enough GF tickets allocated to service the GFG holders and the full quota of social club members which means they cannot sell their full quota of social club memberships
Again all the coteries are given access to the Social CLub as well - so there's another reason they will cap it. I think they will also place the cap at a level that will leave some GF tickets (say 2-4k) for "normal" members (those without a guarantee) to go into a ballot situation. Even C'wood still has that from what i understand
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Seriously
Do any of us really believe that when we make a Grand Final that any of us who would be considered working/middle class members will find tickets. All the rich hangers on will get the tickets. Thats how it is and thats how it will always be. The clubs have become money making revenue churning machines - paying huge salaries to players, coaches, assistant coaches, recruiters, administrators and employees - I dont reckon they give a stuff in reality- they do a job and get paid for it. Most of the time supporters get no return. Its just like those dodgy resource exploration stocks on the market, every year or two they raise capital from hopeful investors (note AFL club members in our case in search of the next flag)- most years they dont find anything, but they stay in operation because they can raise capital- the only winners are the employees thats it in a nutshell IMHO.
We're supporters and we pay because we love our clubs, thats why we pay and thats why when we make a grand final, we will all pay over the odds one way or another.
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to the Bigfooty post.
When did you contact them via twitter FNM? It's RFC_O from the forums and all he is is a messenger. He doesnt make the decisions but is just a link between the supporters and those that do make the decisions.
Before you contact consumer affairs or such, wait and see if there is anything different from the club when they are all back at work?
Nothing is going to change between friday afternoon and monday morning.
Yep, of course.
But if their explanation isn't satisfactory, I will seek advice.
They do this all the time, Al.
They give you the incentive to join something like this and then they take them away
They'll cap the social club numbers as said, and then you're forced to join a coterie to get the tickets
They need to honour their commitments for a change
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Seriously
Do any of us really believe that when we make a Grand Final that any of us who would be considered working/middle class members will find tickets. All the rich hangers on will get the tickets. Thats how it is and thats how it will always be. The clubs have become money making revenue churning machines - paying huge salaries to players, coaches, assistant coaches, recruiters, administrators and employees - I dont reckon they give a stuff in reality- they do a job and get paid for it. Most of the time supporters get no return. Its just like those dodgy resource exploration stocks on the market, every year or two they raise capital from hopeful investors (note AFL club members in our case in search of the next flag)- most years they dont find anything, but they stay in operation because they can raise capital- the only winners are the employees thats it in a nutshell IMHO.
We're supporters and we pay because we love our clubs, thats why we pay and thats why when we make a grand final, we will all pay over the odds one way or another.
Naive to believe it will be any other way.
What other major sports are any different?
The average SuperBowl ticket price is $5000
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Social club numbers will be determined by how many people they are licensed to have on the premises.
I believe this may be the crux of the issue as it's possible there is not enough GF tickets allocated to service the GFG holders and the full quota of social club members which means they cannot sell their full quota of social club memberships
Again all the coteries are given access to the Social CLub as well - so there's another reason they will cap it. I think they will also place the cap at a level that will leave some GF tickets (say 2-4k) for "normal" members (those without a guarantee) to go into a ballot situation. Even C'wood still has that from what i understand
my sister is a member of the pies and thats what they do.
i expect the same moving forward for us.
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So, you're not the family member with tattoos and no teeth?
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Seriously
Do any of us really believe that when we make a Grand Final that any of us who would be considered working/middle class members will find tickets. All the rich hangers on will get the tickets. Thats how it is and thats how it will always be. The clubs have become money making revenue churning machines - paying huge salaries to players, coaches, assistant coaches, recruiters, administrators and employees - I dont reckon they give a stuff in reality- they do a job and get paid for it. Most of the time supporters get no return. Its just like those dodgy resource exploration stocks on the market, every year or two they raise capital from hopeful investors (note AFL club members in our case in search of the next flag)- most years they dont find anything, but they stay in operation because they can raise capital- the only winners are the employees thats it in a nutshell IMHO.
We're supporters and we pay because we love our clubs, thats why we pay and thats why when we make a grand final, we will all pay over the odds one way or another.
The GF guarantee wasn't about getting a GF ticket for just $75 though. You'd still have to pay for the actual ticket. It just that you were supposedly guaranteeing yourself of being able to get hold of one to buy. It wasn't as if we expected to play in a GF anytime soon. No one was that naive. It could be 10 years plus and a $1000+ (including inflation) to the club's coffers. Now they way they have it you might as well save the money yourself and then when we eventually make the GF buy a GF corporate package whether the money goes to the club or not. Hardly rewarding loyalty is it. Most likely it'd be a cheaper option in the long run as well. Anyway the reason supporters are ticked off is they feel the club has bailed out of a agreement. If the Club felt it was too cheap an offer then don't offer it up to supporters in the first place.