One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on May 22, 2009, 03:01:14 AM
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Garry Lyon says yes....
Former Melbourne skipper and Footy Show co-host Garry Lyon said Tigers captain Chris Newman should step down if reports were true that he had sparked Tuesday's meeting by suggesting to Wallace that he resign.
"If he's gone to Terry and said I want you to resign then he has to step down as captain of the Richmond footy club, he's got no other choice but to do that," Lyon said.
"It's an untenable working situation now for him to go about and lead that footy club."
He said Newman was a young, inexperienced captain who had shown positive leadership qualities but the current situation at Tigerland was "over his head" and no coach's departure should be player-driven.
"You'd say (as the coach) 'Son, I'm coaching this footy club, your job is to play, albeit as the leader of this footy club and I'll continue to coach unless the board of this football club tell me to resign,'" Lyon said.
"The tail doesn't wag the dog, when it starts to that's when your footy club's in a mess."
By Sam Lienert And Adam Cooper
May 21, 2009 - 11:39PM
http://news.brisbanetimes.com.au/breaking-news-sport/morton-says-no-grudge-against-wallace-20090521-bgq5.html
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100 % correct - Sorry no intestinal fortitude at all
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Newie was sucked in by some of his older peers.
A learning experience that will see Newie develop his captaincy skills as we climb the ladder.
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Not too sure if we will ever know exactly what went down, which is probably as it should be as way too much got out anyway.
I really think he should be given an extended go at the role. In the long run I am still not convinced he will be the captain ideally one of our young guns will step up to an elite status and demand the position.
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Newie was sucked in by some of his older peers.
Probably was but it was still poor.
And Ill admit I am not sure what the right way to go is on this :-\
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I'm a massive Newman fan, and I'm on the fence. Maybe cause I'm bias.
Who knows if he asked Terry to resign or whether he was trying to persuade him who knows.
I still think he should captain out the year he's 27 he wont be captain for much longer anyway just until Lids or Trent take over in a few years.
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Apologies to Lids.
Not sure quite when but Cotchin ooozes captaincy material
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When your the spokesperson for a coup, you gotta have the numbers, we all know what happens when you organise a coup and it fails. Newman should go as captain, and the other 3 who were named should have gotten the arse out of the club completely.
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so gary thinks it's wrong for a captain to ask the coach to step down, but it's fine for a media commentator to ask an afl captain to step down?
which bit of the tail is wagging the tiger anyway?
newman should step down if it will get us closer to winning a premiership.
if not he should not. only rfc should decide that.
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HOW THEY CAN GO ON LIKE THIS IS A DISGRACE
How can they go out on a field after this crap. Seriously Newman needs to go and go NOW
I would give the captaincy to Lids. do it now.
Newman is replaceable. All he provides is a few torps here and there. SHUT THE DOOR ON YOUR WAY YOU LITTLE prick. stuff OFF
Schulz, King and Simmo can join hands and go for a walk down Commercial Road for all i care.
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http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/77359/default.aspx
By Mic Cullen
11:00 AM Fri 22 May, 2009
RICHMOND coach Terry Wallace has defended captain Chris Newman, saying calls for the first-year skipper to stand down were ‘outrageous’.
Some Melbourne media incorrectly reported on Tuesday morning that Wallace had been sacked by the club, and that the catalyst may have been a meeting between senior players and the coach, where Newman asked Wallace to stand down.
Speaking at Punt Road on Friday morning, Wallace said what transpired in the meeting was private and he would not comment on it.
He said the media had beaten up a non story into a huge frenzy, based on misinformation and presumption, and was determined to continue in his job leading the Tigers as long as the club desired.
Wallace said he made the commitment to stay at the club several weeks ago and that nothing had changed.
Richmond football manager Craig Cameron confirmed this week that Wallace’s position will be reviewed during the split round, which starts in a fortnight.
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I voted Yes, however I'm going to play devil's advocate now and say the only reason why he shouldn't is that it would admit to the football world that what Hutchy reported was true.
God I wish one of the players when ambushed by Hutchy after the meeting asked him why he was hassling them and wasn't busy chasing ambulances
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The answer is no.
The problems that have just come to the surface have been there for the past 3 years.
Poor communciation , poor game plans etc etc
Terry lost his way and the playing group know that.
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The answer is no.
The problems that have just come to the surface have been there for the past 3 years.
Poor communciation , poor game plans etc etc
Terry lost his way and the playing group know that.
That doesn't excule them from the leadership they show on the field tho Jack, ie: last week!
I know where you come from man : sort of?
Apologies to Lids.
Not sure quite when but Cotchin ooozes captaincy material
Geez I like Rance also, shows real captaincy stuff as well, not trying to win friends but pretty sure 100% of Richmond supporters can see that!
Really like him.
NO I wont turn :rollin
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most definately not, unless Im mistaken we dont have chairman Mao coaching this club...180 degree stuff is the order of the day in 2009...to suggest we sack someone for providing some constructive comment from the team is ludicrous :o
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The answer couldn't possibly be yes. The only thing that would accomplish is further destabilization, and gee wouldn't the media love that, which is exactly why some sections are blowing it up.
Move along people, nothing to see here. Terry will be gone soon and all will be well for a while.
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The answer couldn't possibly be yes. The only thing that would accomplish is further destabilization, and gee wouldn't the media love that, which is exactly why some sections are blowing it up.
Move along people, nothing to see here. Terry will be gone soon and all will be well for a while.
Exactly. The right words were said yesterday so move on.
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The answer couldn't possibly be yes. The only thing that would accomplish is further destabilization, and gee wouldn't the media love that, which is exactly why some sections are blowing it up.
Move along people, nothing to see here. Terry will be gone soon and all will be well for a while.
Exactly. The right words were said yesterday so move on.
Actually, the right words have been spoken all week, in spite of the media's attempt to blow up anything in to something in order to protect their own reputation. Bit like a pedophile judge sitting in judgment on a parking ticket case.
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The answer couldn't possibly be yes. The only thing that would accomplish is further destabilization, and gee wouldn't the media love that, which is exactly why some sections are blowing it up.
Move along people, nothing to see here. Terry will be gone soon and all will be well for a while.
Exactly. The right words were said yesterday so move on.
Actually, the right words have been spoken all week, in spite of the media's attempt to blow up anything in to something in order to protect their own reputation. Bit like a pedophile judge sitting in judgment on a parking ticket case.
ughhh, poor analagy partner :-\
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ughhh, poor analagy partner :-\
I tried to match what I thought of the 'incident' that caused all this to blow up and what I thought of the 'people' who made it all blow up. Unsavoury perhaps but as close as I could get to make my point. :o And for anyone unable to read between the lines....................I really don't like the media. >:(
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Its now damage contol time for Richmond...No one gets sacked for the rest of the year.
Newmans fate can be decided by the 2010 coach and if that coach wants to go in another direction...so be it.
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Barry Young, Newmans mentor ::)
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James Hird was in the same position as Richmond skipper
James Hird | May 28, 2009
RICHMOND captain Chris Newman is a traitor and the leader of a failed coup - if you believe the media last week.
He has been criticised for being disloyal to his coach and club, and for showing a lack of leadership.
I have another perspective.
Without knowing what was said in his meetings with coach Terry Wallace or behind closed doors with his players, my view is that Newman was courageous and has put the interests of his club and his players before his own.
Newman does not strike me as a selfish player. He was not made captain because he is the best player at Richmond, but because he is a good player who works for the team and has an uncompromising passion to make Richmond Football Club the best.
This is not the attitude of a bloke who wants to sack the coach out of self-interest.
Whether or not Wallace should be coach is beside the point. Most important is what compels a team man like Newman to put himself out on a limb.
Events in 1998 at Essendon, when I was in my first year as captain, might help explain Chris's actions, whatever they were.
The Essendon coaching position once again was put on the agenda at the end of the 1997 season.
That year we had significant turnover in our football department - coaches and administrators were either sick of Kevin Sheedy or he was sick of them.
The issue spilled into 1998 and midway through the season we had more factions than the Labor Party.
As captain I could not walk anywhere without a coach, trainer, player, board member or official pulling me aside to ask my view on whether Sheedy should have his contract renewed.
It reached the point where I did not know my own opinion. I was walking out of each meeting believing what had been said - and my opinion on Sheedy's position swung from day to day.
Everyone who says the players should not appoint or sack the coach is right.
But sometimes board members and administrators unwittingly, or deliberately, involve players in the decision.
Similar to Newman at Richmond, I was involved whether I liked it or not.
I was called into meetings and asked to canvass players' opinions and give my view on what I thought was right.
I did not enjoy being in that position, but I understood if I wanted the prestige and success that comes with being captain I also had to be able to make the hard decisions.
In the end, Sheeds' fate came down to one meeting that was held in the Essendon social club.
All the players were there and former club chairman Graeme McMahon asked to hear all opinions.
The room fell silent and all eyes fell on me. As the captain, I felt compelled to speak but did not know what to say.
I knew the room was divided and that some of my teammates wanted the coach gone.
I had been in discussions where it sounded like a good idea to get a new coach. I had also been in discussions where it made sense the other way.
Stunned, like a coward I remained tight-lipped until David Calthorpe stood up and said what I should have said.
He said something like: "Boys, you should be ashamed of yourselves. It is not our decision to sack or appoint the coach. We should shut up and let the club do what they think is right."
That comment set the tone for the rest of the meeting.
A few comments were made, but at the end of the meeting McMahon asked anyone who had any private comments to see him in his office.
That night the board met and Sheeds was retained as coach.
I received a call from football manager Matthew Drain about 9.30pm to inform me that Sheeds was still our coach for the 1999 season.
I then called all the players on the list.
By the end of the calls I felt decidedly dirty. I didn't think I had betrayed Sheeds, but I had certainly gone close to the line.
Part of my mistake was to act too honestly and talk too freely to everyone who asked my opinion. When someone asked what I liked and disliked about the coach, I gave straight answers for both.
The lesson I learnt was to never get involved in the potential sacking or appointment of a coach again.
As innocent as you think a comment may be, when you are captain and when you have power it can be used for other people's gain.
What I admired about Chris Newman last week was that he went to the coach to talk about the issues face to face.
He may or may not have asked for Wallace's resignation, but what he did say, he said one on one.
This was brave and should be commended.
Chris Newman made a decision that he thought was right for the footy club. However naive it may have been, he did it for the right reasons.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25547308-19742,00.html
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I couldn't agree more then what James Hird said.
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during the first half v the bombers newman played like a man possessed, he was great.
after that we tanked
i think i am ready to give newman a chance to seetlein this role with a real coach next yr, not this tanned muppet we have at the moment
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I voted no, as I think that if it was the truth, he was talked into saying what he did.
I know that isn't a real excuse as he is old enough to make up his own mind.
And if it is true I don't think it was the right thing to do.
Though I still think he should keep the job, if only to keep something stable there for a while at least.
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I voted no, as I think that if it was the truth, he was talked into saying what he did.
I know that isn't a real excuse as he is old enough to make up his own mind.
And if it is true I don't think it was the right thing to do.
Though I still think he should keep the job, if only to keep something stable there for a while at least.
Question to all then.
If you have a problem with the coach do you live with it or approach to resolve it.
It's unfair to naivly think Newman walked into Wallaces office and said "Terry you have to resign". Where is the realistic approach of saying Terry this is the situation these players just want a change we want to go forward everything suggests that you wont be coaching we're unhappy with the gameplan do you think it'd be in the best interest to step down and let the players and club move on."
Should Newman have seen the problem with his team mates and not do anything, and say live with it?
Newman saw a problem in a relationship. In any case with a problem within a relationship you either part ways or put in measures in place to fix it and compromise.
There is nothing wrong with this.
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Newman got dumb-stuffed by Kane Johnson.
SACK HIM!(KJ)
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TW and Newman are too professional to ever let us know exactly what was said in that meeting. The fact it was leaked shows us other players/officals are not.
The media are hungry for sensationist stories and are unscupulous in there endevours to acquire them. Given half a whisper they will run with a story and create the facts themselves. I wish TW would show a little bit less integrity at the moment a reveal journalist like Hutchy for the gutter licking, ass sniffing lier he truly is.
Newman and the club should learn a big lesson from this whole affair and shut the hell up! :banghead
Stripes
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I was living with some pot dealers and the house was raided,
Hutchy used to be a lagging court reporter who would go through the hearings listing for prahran court.
Anyway,he saw my name on the list and ratted me and the boys out in an article in the sun.
What a fuckeen dog.
FWIW-I got off as i was innocent ;D
Hope u die of ars cancer u scumball.
If i get the opportunity i'll smash ur stuffen dog face in.
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We sack him and make Nahas captain!
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I was living with some pot dealers and the house was raided,
Hutchy used to be a lagging court reporter who would go through the hearings listing for prahran court.
Anyway,he saw my name on the list and ratted me and the boys out in an article in the sun.
What a effeen dog.
FWIW-I got off as i was innocent ;D
Hope u die of ars cancer u scumball.
If i get the opportunity i'll smash ur effen dog face in.
wtf............. :-\