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Re: Should Newman step down as captain?
« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2009, 10:48:28 PM »
The answer couldn't possibly be yes. The only thing that would accomplish is further destabilization, and gee wouldn't the media love that, which is exactly why some sections are blowing it up.

Move along people, nothing to see here. Terry will be gone soon and all will be well for a while.
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Re: Should Newman step down as captain?
« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2009, 03:14:40 AM »
The answer couldn't possibly be yes. The only thing that would accomplish is further destabilization, and gee wouldn't the media love that, which is exactly why some sections are blowing it up.

Move along people, nothing to see here. Terry will be gone soon and all will be well for a while.
Exactly. The right words were said yesterday so move on.
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Re: Should Newman step down as captain?
« Reply #17 on: May 23, 2009, 09:02:50 AM »
The answer couldn't possibly be yes. The only thing that would accomplish is further destabilization, and gee wouldn't the media love that, which is exactly why some sections are blowing it up.

Move along people, nothing to see here. Terry will be gone soon and all will be well for a while.
Exactly. The right words were said yesterday so move on.

Actually, the right words have been spoken all week, in spite of the media's attempt to blow up anything in to something in order to protect their own reputation.  Bit like a pedophile judge sitting in judgment on a parking ticket case.

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Re: Should Newman step down as captain?
« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2009, 10:23:44 AM »
The answer couldn't possibly be yes. The only thing that would accomplish is further destabilization, and gee wouldn't the media love that, which is exactly why some sections are blowing it up.

Move along people, nothing to see here. Terry will be gone soon and all will be well for a while.
Exactly. The right words were said yesterday so move on.

Actually, the right words have been spoken all week, in spite of the media's attempt to blow up anything in to something in order to protect their own reputation.  Bit like a pedophile judge sitting in judgment on a parking ticket case.
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Re: Should Newman step down as captain?
« Reply #19 on: May 23, 2009, 10:45:21 AM »

 ughhh, poor analagy partner :-\

I tried to match what I thought of the 'incident' that caused all this to blow up and what I thought of the 'people' who made it all blow up.  Unsavoury perhaps but as close as I could get to make my point.   :o  And for anyone unable to read between the lines....................I really don't like the media.   >:(

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Re: Should Newman step down as captain?
« Reply #20 on: May 23, 2009, 01:42:04 PM »
Its now damage contol time for Richmond...No one gets sacked for the rest of the year.

Newmans fate can be decided by the 2010 coach and if that coach wants to go in another direction...so be it.
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Re: Should Newman step down as captain?
« Reply #21 on: May 24, 2009, 08:40:54 AM »
Barry Young, Newmans mentor ::)

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I was in the same position as Chris Newman: James Hird (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #22 on: May 28, 2009, 06:08:20 AM »
James Hird was in the same position as Richmond skipper
James Hird | May 28, 2009

RICHMOND captain Chris Newman is a traitor and the leader of a failed coup - if you believe the media last week.

He has been criticised for being disloyal to his coach and club, and for showing a lack of leadership.

I have another perspective.

Without knowing what was said in his meetings with coach Terry Wallace or behind closed doors with his players, my view is that Newman was courageous and has put the interests of his club and his players before his own.

Newman does not strike me as a selfish player. He was not made captain because he is the best player at Richmond, but because he is a good player who works for the team and has an uncompromising passion to make Richmond Football Club the best.

This is not the attitude of a bloke who wants to sack the coach out of self-interest.

Whether or not Wallace should be coach is beside the point. Most important is what compels a team man like Newman to put himself out on a limb.

Events in 1998 at Essendon, when I was in my first year as captain, might help explain Chris's actions, whatever they were.

The Essendon coaching position once again was put on the agenda at the end of the 1997 season.

That year we had significant turnover in our football department - coaches and administrators were either sick of Kevin Sheedy or he was sick of them.

The issue spilled into 1998 and midway through the season we had more factions than the Labor Party.

As captain I could not walk anywhere without a coach, trainer, player, board member or official pulling me aside to ask my view on whether Sheedy should have his contract renewed.

It reached the point where I did not know my own opinion. I was walking out of each meeting believing what had been said - and my opinion on Sheedy's position swung from day to day.

Everyone who says the players should not appoint or sack the coach is right.

But sometimes board members and administrators unwittingly, or deliberately, involve players in the decision.

Similar to Newman at Richmond, I was involved whether I liked it or not.

I was called into meetings and asked to canvass players' opinions and give my view on what I thought was right.

I did not enjoy being in that position, but I understood if I wanted the prestige and success that comes with being captain I also had to be able to make the hard decisions.

In the end, Sheeds' fate came down to one meeting that was held in the Essendon social club.

All the players were there and former club chairman Graeme McMahon asked to hear all opinions.

The room fell silent and all eyes fell on me. As the captain, I felt compelled to speak but did not know what to say.

I knew the room was divided and that some of my teammates wanted the coach gone.

I had been in discussions where it sounded like a good idea to get a new coach. I had also been in discussions where it made sense the other way.

Stunned, like a coward I remained tight-lipped until David Calthorpe stood up and said what I should have said.

He said something like: "Boys, you should be ashamed of yourselves. It is not our decision to sack or appoint the coach. We should shut up and let the club do what they think is right."

That comment set the tone for the rest of the meeting.

A few comments were made, but at the end of the meeting McMahon asked anyone who had any private comments to see him in his office.

That night the board met and Sheeds was retained as coach.

I received a call from football manager Matthew Drain about 9.30pm to inform me that Sheeds was still our coach for the 1999 season.

I then called all the players on the list.

By the end of the calls I felt decidedly dirty. I didn't think I had betrayed Sheeds, but I had certainly gone close to the line.

Part of my mistake was to act too honestly and talk too freely to everyone who asked my opinion. When someone asked what I liked and disliked about the coach, I gave straight answers for both.

The lesson I learnt was to never get involved in the potential sacking or appointment of a coach again.

As innocent as you think a comment may be, when you are captain and when you have power it can be used for other people's gain.

What I admired about Chris Newman last week was that he went to the coach to talk about the issues face to face.

He may or may not have asked for Wallace's resignation, but what he did say, he said one on one.

This was brave and should be commended.

Chris Newman made a decision that he thought was right for the footy club. However naive it may have been, he did it for the right reasons.

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Re: Should Newman step down as captain?
« Reply #23 on: May 28, 2009, 10:15:51 AM »
I couldn't agree more then what James Hird said.
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Re: Should Newman step down as captain?
« Reply #24 on: May 28, 2009, 10:34:13 AM »
during the first half v the bombers newman played like a man possessed, he was great.

after that we tanked

i think i am ready to give newman a chance to seetlein this role with a real coach next yr, not this tanned muppet we have at the moment

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Re: Should Newman step down as captain?
« Reply #25 on: May 28, 2009, 11:01:44 AM »
I voted no, as I think that if it was the truth, he was talked into saying what he did.
I know that isn't a real excuse as he is old enough to make up his own mind.
And if it is true I don't think it was the right thing to do.
Though I still think he should keep the job, if only to keep something stable there for a while at least.

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Re: Should Newman step down as captain?
« Reply #26 on: May 28, 2009, 11:40:37 AM »
I voted no, as I think that if it was the truth, he was talked into saying what he did.
I know that isn't a real excuse as he is old enough to make up his own mind.
And if it is true I don't think it was the right thing to do.
Though I still think he should keep the job, if only to keep something stable there for a while at least.

Question to all then.

If you have a problem with the coach do you live with it or approach to resolve it.

It's unfair to naivly think Newman walked into Wallaces office and said "Terry you have to resign". Where is the realistic approach of saying Terry this is the situation these players just want a change we want to go forward everything suggests that you wont be coaching we're unhappy with the gameplan do you think it'd be in the best interest to step down and let the players and club move on."

Should Newman have seen the problem with his team mates and not do anything, and say live with it?

Newman saw a problem in a relationship. In any case with a problem within a relationship you either part ways or put in measures in place to fix it and compromise.

There is nothing wrong with this.
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Re: Should Newman step down as captain?
« Reply #27 on: May 28, 2009, 11:47:52 AM »
Newman got dumb-stuffed by Kane Johnson.

SACK HIM!(KJ)

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Re: Should Newman step down as captain?
« Reply #28 on: May 28, 2009, 11:58:28 AM »
TW and Newman are too professional to ever let us know exactly what was said in that meeting. The fact it was leaked shows us other players/officals are not.

The media are hungry for sensationist stories and are unscupulous in there endevours to acquire them. Given half a whisper they will run with a story and create the facts themselves. I wish TW would show a little bit less integrity at the moment a reveal journalist like Hutchy for the gutter licking, ass sniffing lier he truly is.

Newman and the club should learn a big lesson from this whole affair and shut the hell up! :banghead

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Re: Should Newman step down as captain?
« Reply #29 on: May 28, 2009, 12:14:28 PM »
I was living with some pot dealers and the house was raided,
Hutchy used to be a lagging court reporter who would go through the hearings listing for prahran court.

Anyway,he saw my name on the list and ratted me and the boys out in an article in the sun.

What a fuckeen dog.

FWIW-I got off as i was innocent ;D

Hope u die of ars cancer u scumball.
If i get the opportunity i'll smash ur stuffen dog face in.