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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on May 27, 2009, 04:16:26 AM
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ANDREW BEWS: Essendon and Richmond don't deserve blockbuster tag
Michael Auciello | May 27th, 2009
THIS is not going to be a very popular article.
Many out there in the footy world will possibly look at this and assess it as taking a cheap shot at one of the great innovations of the footy world.
Maybe so, but to me the Bombers are the most over-publicised underachievers in the AFL.
They've been window dressing as many games as they can to try to draw crowds to lift their profile out there in the greater football community.
Good marketing? Well, yes, I'll agree, but the way Essendon claims or hijacks any untagged event in the footy calendar looks desperate and is beginning to drive me up the wall.
The Nutty Professor Kevin Sheedy was a master of setting up these types of gimmicks during his reign at the Bombers - he initiated and drove most of these matches.
The games had a special something when Essendon and its opposition stood at the top of the table, but for me they pale into insignificance when one of the combatants is stuck at the foot of the ladder.
Don't believe the old footy clich that "it doesn't matter where these two teams are on the ladder".
These matches are so much better when the best teams were clashing mid-season. Unfortunately they don't capture the imagination when one of the bottom teams is being asked to be one of the drawcards.
The AFL even helped prop up the Dreamtime at the 'G clash with the whole round being named the 'Indigenous Round', which I think was a more credible way of acknowledging the contribution of that corner of the competition's player group.
I was bemused by some of the reports from the Dreamtime at the 'G game though; one bit of script that caught my eye was this little gem.
"It was Essendon's second win from five of these encounters, which form the centerpiece of the AFL's Indigenous Round."
I don't know how people get it so wrong or get caught up in such delusional trumped up hype; this was a battle of two sides that have been strugglers for longer than I'd like to think about. At least Essendon has crept up the ladder somewhat this year. But the Bombers have only played a couple of the very good sides. With wins over Fremantle early in the season Carlton in a close one Collingwood, Hawthorn and Richmond, the underdone and injury-crippled Hawks remain the only genuine scalp of credibility.
The Tigers, though, play like they hardly know each other - any semblance of a team is clearly lacking.
Most of the time players are simply trying to stay in the side for next week. The game was ordinary at best and further evidence to that was the amount in which Essendon won by. The embarrassing thing for them was how long it took them to put the game beyond doubt.
For the record there is only one game worth winning or holding bragging rights for and the Hawks have these rights currently.
http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/article/2009/05/27/73491_geelong_sports.html
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And without me sounding too controversial, I can do without Aunty Joy and the whole Indigenous theme.
Have indigenous round without all the fanfare that goes with it.
Or have it, but don't make an hour of highlights? before the game on the tellie :rollin
:banghead
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And without me sounding too controversial, I can do without Aunty Joy and the whole Indigenous theme.
Have indigenous round without all the fanfare that goes with it.
Or have it, but don't make an hour of highlights? before the game on the tellie :rollin
:banghead
Do you ever listen to yourself MOI. Whats next??? you want to take away the Anzac game as well or any game that mean anything to anyone who has ever played the game. Your full of poo
This means a lot to a few people and so many people actually look forward to the game, hence the big crowd numbers.
It was one of Sheeds finest ideas
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I think anyone that wants to take game away from us has to be thinking with no pride in our team.
And I totally agree with Daniel161. It was a great idea made up by Sheedy.
We need and want to keep this game.
As I am one of those that look forwads to this game each and every year.
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Do you ever listen to yourself MOI.
Yeah I do
Do you?
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I think anyone that wants to take game away from us has to be thinking with no pride in our team.
Can't think of many good reasons to have pride in the team at the moment
But regardless, that's just stroking yourself, mate
Wow, look at me, I'm a great supporter ::)
I never said not have the game, just the pre-game garbage is just that, garbage.
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If Tambo was injured does JON get the nod so that we are pulling our weight?
To me all these games are just marketing $$$$ and not substantial to any cause. ANZAC day is the most embarrasing, this one is almost as bad. The pre-game rigmarole with fat Craig and Auntie Joy and her gum leaves is trite garbage. Just bounce the ball.
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lol, and peole call me racist lmao
the indiginous rnd is great, all bews can stuff off
until its conception, every one of these games has been very good and exciting
collingwood and essendon then surely dont deserve the anzac day gig
in that case scrap both, show no respect to the anzacs and indiginous ppl of this country who are the true founders of our game and owners of this country and tell them to stuff the right off.
that would keep the mois of this world happy
:banghead
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To me all these games are just marketing $$$$ and not substantial to any cause. ANZAC day is the most embarrasing, this one is almost as bad. The pre-game rigmarole with fat Craig and Auntie Joy and her gum leaves is trite garbage. Just bounce the ball.
yes money is a factor but its more to do with recognition and education. and never forgetting. anzac day game is the reason in thi ssatate why anzac day has come back in full force, the day was just about a forgotten day, but with the help of the afl, its kept the whole day in focus so we dont forget
the aunty joy gum leaves thing is also great and good that for 5 minutes in a year, many australians can learn just a little about the past and indiginous culture. maoris do a very similar tradition, but hand over a small branch
for all you wankers who cannot understand why both games have become such a focus i suggest you grow up and get a life and stop living in ur closet
so on grandfinal day we should have no celebration at the start and half time break either, should just bounce the ball and not celebrate the season that just passed ffs :banghead
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If Tambo was injured does JON get the nod so that we are pulling our weight?
To me all these games are just marketing $$$$ and not substantial to any cause. ANZAC day is the most embarrasing, this one is almost as bad. The pre-game rigmarole with fat Craig and Auntie Joy and her gum leaves is trite garbage. Just bounce the ball.
:rollin
I tried to organise a contract on Aunty Joy the other night ;)
:lol
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.......the anzacs and indiginous ppl of this country who are the true founders of our game and owners of this country.....
Ok, so the Anzacs are the true founders of our game. Was that before or after they invented the wheel?
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Bews is an idiot, the Dreamtime game is between Richmond & Essendon because of the combined colours of the jumpers
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Just to clarify folks who might want to get some mileage out of this at my ;D expense, I'm talking about the pre-game entertainment, nothing against these lovely people as people.
I would say the same for the Anzac Day as Jake has mentioned, and grand final pre-game entertainment. I find them a bore.
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.......the anzacs and indiginous ppl of this country who are the true founders of our game and owners of this country.....
Ok, so the Anzacs are the true founders of our game. Was that before or after they invented the wheel?
if u read mu post i never said the anzacs are i saidindiginous ppl of this country who are the true founders of our game
so what i missed a fullstop or coma, wow!
i will rephrase it for you moron
in that case scrap both, show no respect to the anzacs and indiginous ppl of this country. The anzacs who helped secure our freedom and the indiginous ppl who are the true founders of our game and owners of this country. WE tell them to eff the right off.
that would keep the mois of this world happy
understand
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Just to clarify folks who might want to get some mileage out of this at my ;D expense, I'm talking about the pre-game entertainment, nothing against these lovely people as people.
I would say the same for the Anzac Day as Jake has mentioned, and grand final pre-game entertainment. I find them a bore.
you love and thrive on the attention :lol
in that case, when pre game tipe and half time tripe is on, head to the or change channel. its ur call if u wanna watch or not, but why shoul dall the ppl who wanna watch suffer cos you dont like it
im sure you could amuse yourself for 20 minutes or so
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Just to clarify folks who might want to get some mileage out of this at my ;D expense, I'm talking about the pre-game entertainment, nothing against these lovely people as people.
I would say the same for the Anzac Day as Jake has mentioned, and grand final pre-game entertainment. I find them a bore.
you love and thrive on the attention :lol
in that case, when pre game tipe and half time tripe is on, head to the or change channel. its ur call if u wanna watch or not, but why shoul dall the ppl who wanna watch suffer cos you dont like it
im sure you could amuse yourself for 20 minutes or so
Well, I am leaving it to those who want to watch it.
Just saying I don't :P :-*
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I would say the same for the Anzac Day as Jake has mentioned, and grand final pre-game entertainment. I find them a bore.
I would say the ANZAC day is the AFL overstepping slightly. I think the day is great. A minute's silence great. National anthem great. But when it starts drawing parallels in marketing material about mates standing side by side in battle and the ANZAC spirit on show - well you have to be very very careful there because any decent human can see it's not at all like war. Lets not diminish the sacrifice great men paid for the sake of drumming up a footy game. AFL should just be what it is - footy. Its like Maccas including an ANZAC biscuit and calling it an ANZAC happy meal.
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The anzacs who helped secure our freedom and the indiginous ppl who are the true founders of our game and owners of this country.
Ok, so the indigenous ppl are the true founders of our game. Was that before or after they invented the wheel?
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Just to clarify folks who might want to get some mileage out of this at my ;D expense, I'm talking about the pre-game entertainment, nothing against these lovely people as people.
I would say the same for the Anzac Day as Jake has mentioned, and grand final pre-game entertainment. I find them a bore.
you love and thrive on the attention :lol
in that case, when pre game tipe and half time tripe is on, head to the or change channel. its ur call if u wanna watch or not, but why shoul dall the ppl who wanna watch suffer cos you dont like it
im sure you could amuse yourself for 20 minutes or so
Well, I am leaving it to those who want to watch it.
Just saying I don't :P :-*
i felt that kiss, im blushing :whistle
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The anzacs who helped secure our freedom and the indiginous ppl who are the true founders of our game and owners of this country.
Ok, so the indigenous ppl are the true founders of our game. Was that before or after they invented the wheel?
go to a vic town called moyston you tool
there is even a monument that the afl put there to recognise this place as the birthplace of aussie rules footy. there are aboriginal paintings there that you will also see, you can see these pics in museums as well depicting aboriginals playing footy with an oval shaped possum skinned ball.
this is where white man observed and based our game apon
so eff off and learn abit about real aussie history
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anzac day game is the reason in thi ssatate why anzac day has come back in full force, the day was just about a forgotten day, but with the help of the afl, its kept the whole day in focus so we dont forget
Whoa back there TT. While I largely agree with your sentiments about the 2 themed games in question, don't ever kid yourself that it was because of the AFL that the reverence and purpose of celebrating ANZAC Day was restored to it's rightful place. Seeing you like to quote history, the reason ANZAC Day 'lost' it's way in the hearts and minds of the community was the disgraceful treatment handed out to our Vietnam Veterans on their return from overseas duty - that was in the early to mid '70's. They were harrassed, abused, assaulted, even spat on, by the very community they had taken an oath to protect with their lives if necessary. And many of those veterans weren't even volunteers for that (at the time) thankless task. Then, during the early to mid '80's that all turned around as the truth about Vietnam came out and the public in large realised they had been badly hoodwinked by a politically motivated agenda in the media and education environments, and the day reverted to the prominence for which it was originally created and celebrated. Kevin Sheedy - being a returned Vietnam Veteran and 'Nasho' himself - saw an opportunity to allow the football community to join in the remembrance, celebration and education of the day as well as enhancing the prospects of the club he coached at the same time. Celebrating the true meaning of ANZAC Day suffered Australia-wide in the immediate post-Vietnam era and recovered Australia-wide through community education and enlightment. Please don't disgrace the efforts of those really responsible for bringing to the community's attention the shameful actions of the intelligentsia and political activists of the day. The AFL have helped that process in later years by 'piggy-backing' on the momentum that was already firmly in place well before the first blockbuster game.
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I am not lover to the GF pre-game entertainment because it looks like amatuer hour at the local kindergarten
However I will admit that the pre-game entertainment at Saturday night's Dreamtime game was fantastic.
I am talking about in particular the singer/guitarist they had (who's name I am ashamed to say escapes me at the minute). He was brilliant. I had heard of him and heard him play but never really heard him sing... what a magical voice ... it had me captivated ... what a talent :thumbsup
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anzac day game is the reason in thi ssatate why anzac day has come back in full force, the day was just about a forgotten day, but with the help of the afl, its kept the whole day in focus so we dont forget
Whoa back there TT. While I largely agree with your sentiments about the 2 themed games in question, don't ever kid yourself that it was because of the AFL that the reverence and purpose of celebrating ANZAC Day was restored to it's rightful place. Seeing you like to quote history, the reason ANZAC Day 'lost' it's way in the hearts and minds of the community was the disgraceful treatment handed out to our Vietnam Veterans on their return from overseas duty - that was in the early to mid '70's. They were harrassed, abused, assaulted, even spat on, by the very community they had taken an oath to protect with their lives if necessary. And many of those veterans weren't even volunteers for that (at the time) thankless task. Then, during the early to mid '80's that all turned around as the truth about Vietnam came out and the public in large realised they had been badly hoodwinked by a politically motivated agenda in the media and education environments, and the day reverted to the prominence for which it was originally created and celebrated. Kevin Sheedy - being a returned Vietnam Veteran and 'Nasho' himself - saw an opportunity to allow the football community to join in the remembrance, celebration and education of the day as well as enhancing the prospects of the club he coached at the same time. Celebrating the true meaning of ANZAC Day suffered Australia-wide in the immediate post-Vietnam era and recovered Australia-wide through community education and enlightment. Please don't disgrace the efforts of those really responsible for bringing to the community's attention the shameful actions of the intelligentsia and political activists of the day. The AFL have helped that process in later years by 'piggy-backing' on the momentum that was already firmly in place well before the first blockbuster game.
i cannot disagree with ur post
lets just say the afl have gained financially by helping make the younger generations aware of anzac day. still think its a good thing
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go to a vic town called moyston you tool
there is even a monument that the afl put there to recognise this place as the birthplace of aussie rules footy. there are aboriginal paintings there that you will also see, you can see these pics in museums as well depicting aboriginals playing footy with an oval shaped possum skinned ball.
this is where white man observed and based our game apon
so eff off and learn abit about real aussie history
The famous X temper showing again.
You believe what you want to believe. Most credible historians wouldn't back you up. The official AFL document last year about the history of the game rubbished the claim that Australian Rules is based on Marn Grook and is anything but descended from the games brought out here by colonialists. The evidence supporting Wills having seen Marn Grook is speculative at best. And the AFL last year published and essay rejecting it despite the enormous positive public sentimentality it could generate by being Australia's indigenous game. But it isn't the fact you take a differing view - there is slight possibility Wills would have been inspired by the Aboriginal game. And anyone who knew X knows why you are biased on this issue.
Its the fact that you take a view where the evidence stacks up the other way (e.g. here) or where there is no evidence at all (e.g. reading between the lines Deledio is going if Wallace doesn't walk) and then rubbish everyone else with immature schoolyard insults. Its laughable for a while and then everyone gets sick of it.
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go to a vic town called moyston you tool
there is even a monument that the afl put there to recognise this place as the birthplace of aussie rules footy. there are aboriginal paintings there that you will also see, you can see these pics in museums as well depicting aboriginals playing footy with an oval shaped possum skinned ball.
this is where white man observed and based our game apon
so eff off and learn abit about real aussie history
The famous X temper showing again.
You believe what you want to believe. Most credible historians wouldn't back you up. The official AFL document last year about the history of the game rubbished the claim that Australian Rules is based on Marn Grook and is anything but descended from the games brought out here by colonialists. The evidence supporting Wills having seen Marn Grook is speculative at best. And the AFL last year published and essay rejecting it despite the enormous positive public sentimentality it could generate by being Australia's indigenous game. But it isn't the fact you take a differing view - there is slight possibility Wills would have been inspired by the Aboriginal game. And anyone who knew X knows why you are biased on this issue.
Its the fact that you take a view where the evidence stacks up the other way (e.g. here) or where there is no evidence at all (e.g. reading between the lines Deledio is going if Wallace doesn't walk) and then rubbish everyone else with immature schoolyard insults. Its laughable for a while and then everyone gets sick of it.
1/ TEMPER LMAO, who said im angry, loser. i sit here and laugh at you esp when u say things like
2/ most credible historians :rollin :rollin :rollin :lol :lol :lol
99% of australias history is a lie lomao
oh yeah bourke and wills discoverd many things hahahaha, places where aboriginal ppl showed them lol
this country is full of lies , like many countries, and australian history books should be re-written
talk to the ppl that really know and you will find the truth
by the way TT is not bad tempered , not sure about X
"most " "credible " historians lmao
so the afl are a bunch of dumbarses for recognising moyston as the birth place of aussie rules. lmao
take a trip and see it for yourself, loser
i suppose the stolen generations, missions etc never existed also , most credible historians dont mention how the governments of teh past tried to get rid of black skinned ppl , and the jews reckon hitler was bad lmao
we were no different to sth africa at the time.
denial denial denial
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are you andrew bolt?? :lol
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anzac day game is the reason in thi ssatate why anzac day has come back in full force, the day was just about a forgotten day, but with the help of the afl, its kept the whole day in focus so we dont forget
Whoa back there TT. While I largely agree with your sentiments about the 2 themed games in question, don't ever kid yourself that it was because of the AFL that the reverence and purpose of celebrating ANZAC Day was restored to it's rightful place. Seeing you like to quote history, the reason ANZAC Day 'lost' it's way in the hearts and minds of the community was the disgraceful treatment handed out to our Vietnam Veterans on their return from overseas duty - that was in the early to mid '70's. They were harrassed, abused, assaulted, even spat on, by the very community they had taken an oath to protect with their lives if necessary. And many of those veterans weren't even volunteers for that (at the time) thankless task. Then, during the early to mid '80's that all turned around as the truth about Vietnam came out and the public in large realised they had been badly hoodwinked by a politically motivated agenda in the media and education environments, and the day reverted to the prominence for which it was originally created and celebrated. Kevin Sheedy - being a returned Vietnam Veteran and 'Nasho' himself - saw an opportunity to allow the football community to join in the remembrance, celebration and education of the day as well as enhancing the prospects of the club he coached at the same time. Celebrating the true meaning of ANZAC Day suffered Australia-wide in the immediate post-Vietnam era and recovered Australia-wide through community education and enlightment. Please don't disgrace the efforts of those really responsible for bringing to the community's attention the shameful actions of the intelligentsia and political activists of the day. The AFL have helped that process in later years by 'piggy-backing' on the momentum that was already firmly in place well before the first blockbuster game.
A lot of half truths and opinions there.
The backlash against Anzac Day preceeded the Vietnam War for starters.
The public interest in A D really only began around the 70th anniversary together with the realisation that there were only a few Anzacs left. After Howard came to power the day was further highlighted (for various reasons ;). Now the commemoration is becoming even more inclusive as we recall the battles in Europe, as we should. With luck, we as a nation, will learn more of our past and remember Anzac Day as it should be and not as a pseudo Australia Day.
(BTW April 25th 1885 in Sth Australia for the first time in history women were able to vote in an election.)
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And without me sounding too controversial, I can do without Aunty Joy and the whole Indigenous theme.
Have indigenous round without all the fanfare that goes with it.
Or have it, but don't make an hour of highlights? before the game on the tellie :rollin
:banghead
Do you ever listen to yourself MOI. Whats next??? you want to take away the Anzac game as well or any game that mean anything to anyone who has ever played the game. Your full of poo
This means a lot to a few people and so many people actually look forward to the game, hence the big crowd numbers.
It was one of Sheeds finest ideas
couldnt agree more, it's marque games like this that keep the wolf from the door..a meaningless article that would draw NO support from the AFL...they are all about building tradition and rivalry into fixtures.it's what underlines this great game and seapartes us from rival codes..FORM comes and goes TRADITION is here to stay...suck it up Bewsy, your 15min of fame was over a long time ago sunshine :gotigers
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anzac day game is the reason in thi ssatate why anzac day has come back in full force, the day was just about a forgotten day, but with the help of the afl, its kept the whole day in focus so we dont forget
Whoa back there TT. While I largely agree with your sentiments about the 2 themed games in question, don't ever kid yourself that it was because of the AFL that the reverence and purpose of celebrating ANZAC Day was restored to it's rightful place. Seeing you like to quote history, the reason ANZAC Day 'lost' it's way in the hearts and minds of the community was the disgraceful treatment handed out to our Vietnam Veterans on their return from overseas duty - that was in the early to mid '70's. They were harrassed, abused, assaulted, even spat on, by the very community they had taken an oath to protect with their lives if necessary. And many of those veterans weren't even volunteers for that (at the time) thankless task. Then, during the early to mid '80's that all turned around as the truth about Vietnam came out and the public in large realised they had been badly hoodwinked by a politically motivated agenda in the media and education environments, and the day reverted to the prominence for which it was originally created and celebrated. Kevin Sheedy - being a returned Vietnam Veteran and 'Nasho' himself - saw an opportunity to allow the football community to join in the remembrance, celebration and education of the day as well as enhancing the prospects of the club he coached at the same time. Celebrating the true meaning of ANZAC Day suffered Australia-wide in the immediate post-Vietnam era and recovered Australia-wide through community education and enlightment. Please don't disgrace the efforts of those really responsible for bringing to the community's attention the shameful actions of the intelligentsia and political activists of the day. The AFL have helped that process in later years by 'piggy-backing' on the momentum that was already firmly in place well before the first blockbuster game.
A lot of half truths and opinions there.
Really?
The backlash against Anzac Day preceeded the Vietnam War for starters.
ANZAC Day was gazetted in 1916 and grew slowly in nature and stature throughout Australia and New Zealand over the next 50 years. Up until the Vietnam War it was celebrated mainly by serving and ex-servicemen and women, and it was only the disruptive attempts to protest the Vietnam War that brought it largely into the public domain. There is no history of organised and prolonged use of ANZAC Day for any form of public protest whatsoever prior to the Vietnam War.
The public interest in A D really only began around the 70th anniversary together with the realisation that there were only a few Anzacs left. After Howard came to power the day was further highlighted (for various reasons ;). Now the commemoration is becoming even more inclusive as we recall the battles in Europe, as we should.
Gee, could have sworn I said "early to mid 80's" That would make it - um, let me see - about 1985, smack on for the 70th anniversary. And the catalyst for the modern day revival was one R.J. Hawke so are you saying him and Howard have this in common? And the Day was celebrated long before Vietnam so we are not now becoming more inclusive with our European wars - quite the opposite - we are being more inclusive with our modern wars and peacekeeping operations.
So my half truth's are where again? And as for opinions, we all have them but if you do your research then I challenge you to find one thing I have stated above as incorrect.
And if I sound like I have jumped on a soapbox then it's probably because I have pretty strong ties to all this and I take uninformed comments like that quite personally.
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this country is full of lies , like many countries, and australian history books should be re-written
Haha! Yeah, rewritten to suit your opinion. :wallywink
so the afl are a bunch of dumbbehinds for recognising moyston as the birth place of aussie rules. lmao
Moyston recognised Moyston, not the AFL. The AFL recognises Tom Wills and the game between Scotch College and Melbourne Grammar.
http://www.afl.com.au/AFLHQ/History/tabid/967/Default.aspx
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this country is full of lies , like many countries, and australian history books should be re-written
Haha! Yeah, rewritten to suit your opinion. :wallywink
so the afl are a bunch of dumbbehinds for recognising moyston as the birth place of aussie rules. lmao
Moyston recognised Moyston, not the AFL. The AFL recognises Tom Wills and the game between Scotch College and Melbourne Grammar.
http://www.afl.com.au/AFLHQ/History/tabid/967/Default.aspx
tom wills derived the game from what he observed aboriginals playing, what part of that dont you understand.
yes the game with the rules as we play it today he developed, aboriginals for example never played on an oval and had no boundaries as such.
do your research a bit better as you well know that the history books do not always put in the facts
the poms say they invented soccar, but they got the idea from watching romans kick a decapitated head out of a village b/w 2 teams, sure then were brutal, but from that soccer/football was born
peoople always get ideas from elsewhere and then manufacture something else
aussie rules how its played now was designed by tom wills, but he derived it from a game the aboriginals played, it cant be explained simpler than that
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So my half truth's are where again? And as for opinions, we all have them but if you do your research then I challenge you to find one thing I have stated above as incorrect.
And if I sound like I have jumped on a soapbox then it's probably because I have pretty strong ties to all this and I take uninformed comments like that quite personally.
Well based on a lifetime of teaching and researching Australian History we must agree to differ.
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73,000 Bewsy between 8th vs 15th. Someone's jealous :wallywink. If you want Geelong to play in front of big crowds then get them to leave that chicken pen they play in ::).
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So my half truth's are where again? And as for opinions, we all have them but if you do your research then I challenge you to find one thing I have stated above as incorrect.
And if I sound like I have jumped on a soapbox then it's probably because I have pretty strong ties to all this and I take uninformed comments like that quite personally.
Well based on a lifetime of teaching and researching Australian History we must agree to differ.
Yep, as a returned serviceman myself and the son of a Vietnam Veteran and the 4th generation of a family with military service in both world wars I think we will have to. Did all my schooling through the Vietnam years, missed the conscription lottery by 2 years, so I'm not exactly speaking third hand on a lot of this. Funny coincidence - I'm writing this from a motel in Wagga - my son marches out of Kapooka tomorrow morning.
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I am all for celebratory rounds but I don't think certain clubs should be able to monopolies games (ala Dreamtime, Anzac etc).