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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on June 16, 2009, 03:19:23 PM
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VFL Round 10
Port Melbourne (6th) vs Coburg Tigers (4th)
Saturday 20th June @ TEAC Oval
Ressies: 10:20 AM
Seniors: 1:10 PM
Broadcast:
TV: ABC1
Radio: Casey Radio SER 97.7 FM
Internet: http://118.107.184.201/3serlive.asx (http://118.107.184.201/3serlive.asx)
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Good to have some footy to watch this weekend :thumbsup.
So Simmo, Petts and Polly are apparently playing this week. The first two should dominate at this level. The Coburg side will probably be older and more experienced than Richmond lol.
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Looking for Thomson, Post, Gourdis, JON and Silvestor to have big games. :)
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Remember the 12/10 rule applies so they cannot all play seniors
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Remember the 12/10 rule applies so they cannot all play seniors
WP, do you think they'll go with youth (Connors, Browne, Putt etc) or experience with the RFC players for this match?
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WP, do you think they'll go with youth (Connors, Browne, Putt etc) or experience with the RFC players for this match?
A bit of both to be honest. IMHO it is important that Coburg keeps winning as that helps our kids development as well.
I cannot see Bowden playing for the Coburg reserves, so he will play ditto Simmo, McMahon and Cogs.
I thought Putt struggled against North Ballarat so he may go back and it wouldn't harm Connors to go and play Coburg ressies so he can concentrate on the team stuff
BrownE should play seniors because Coburg doesn't have any ruckman and I'd play Simmo as a forward.
I reckon Gourdis should play seniors as should Post. I reckon Post is perhaps 3-4 solid games away from a AFL debut
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Remember the 12/10 rule applies so they cannot all play seniors
So the twelve could be Simmo, Cogs, Petts, Jordie, Bowden, Thomson, King, Silvester, JON, Polak, Schulz and Rainesy.
Not really a game with room for the cubs :(.
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So the twelve could be Simmo, Cogs, Petts, Jordie, Bowden, Thomson, King, Silvester, JON, Polak, Schulz and Rainesy.
Not really a game with room for the cubs :(.
If it was me I wouldn't play Polak, Petts in the seniors. Polak they said was a possibility not a definite so another week in the ressies is a no brainer
And I would think with the number of games Raines has missed so far in 2009 he can come back via the ressies ;D
These 3 spaces for Post, Browne and perhaps Gourdis
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So the twelve could be Simmo, Cogs, Petts, Jordie, Bowden, Thomson, King, Silvester, JON, Polak, Schulz and Rainesy.
Not really a game with room for the cubs :(.
If it was me I wouldn't play Polak, Petts in the seniors. Polak they said was a possibility not a definite so another week in the ressies is a no brainer
And I would think with the number of games Raines has missed so far in 2009 he can come back via the ressies ;D
These 3 spaces for Post, Browne and perhaps Gourdis
I'd just like to see all those who'll be with Richmond next year get preference in the Coburg seniors over those who aren't but I know that's wishful thinking. I hope at least Post and Browne play.
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Coburg Tigers seniors squad
B: Thomson Silvester Caruso
HB: Bowden Keogh McMahon
C: Connors Coughlan King
HF: Carrick Post Carnell
F: Oakley-Nicholls Schulz Hughes
R: Browne A. Horne Clarke
Int: Morris, Putt, Jordon, Rayson, Cattapan, Clifton, Liddle, Duhau*, Dahl
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Ressies squad
B: Groves Saville M. Deledio
HB: Raines Smith J. Hislop
C: Clifton Cattapan Ambrose
HF: Bassi Hughes Jordon
F: Gilligan Allan J. Horne
R: Polak McErlain Rayson
Int: Bramich, Jones, Tsardakis, Kandilakis, Kellett, McQuilken, Houli, Koroneos, Wood, Dahl, Corry, Abdallah
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Good to see Post there.
Looks like Cleve is unlucky 13 as he's named in both squads.
Simmo must be missing due to the injuries he told Rawlings about.
No Petts?
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No Petts?
No big deal :rollin
Right call to see Raines coming back via the ressies IMHO
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No Petts?
No big deal :rollin
:rollin
Ask a silly question :lol
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No Petts?
No big deal :rollin
:rollin
Ask a silly question :lol
I was actually going to say
No Loss :rollin
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No Petts?
No big deal :rollin
Right call to see Raines coming back via the ressies IMHO
Raines in the 2nds of the 2nds? Why a good call, injured or form?
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No Gourdis?
Rested or injured?
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No Petts?
No big deal :rollin
Right call to see Raines coming back via the ressies IMHO
Raines in the 2nds of the 2nds? Why a good call, injured or form?
Coming back from injury
What's he played 3-4 games this year combined between the RFC & Coburg
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No Petts?
No big deal :rollin
Right call to see Raines coming back via the ressies IMHO
Thanks WP, over time he has become one of the lost boys on our list.
Raines in the 2nds of the 2nds? Why a good call, injured or form?
Coming back from injury
What's he played 3-4 games this year combined between the RFC & Coburg
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No Gourdis?
Rested or injured?
Must be an injury.
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looking forward to seeing post at chf he looked promising pre season
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We traded for Thomson to play him in a back pocket?
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Good to see Cleve in! Hope he gets a few games before Richo gets back just to give him one last chance.
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We traded for Thomson to play him in a back pocket?
When was the last team a team lined up as named? ::)
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Simmo to retire ? ;)
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when?
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Is there going to be any updates on the Ressies game today ?
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Good to see Cleve in!
I am all for seeing Cleve lift his workrate but pretty hard asking him to play for both the Coburg seniors AND reserves. ;)
He's gawn.
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Cleve's the one to miss out. Played ressies.
Gary Ayres is whispering from the other bench over to the RFC boys he can win a flag in 4 years ;D
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Bowden legally just flattened a Port player in a head on bump as they both went for the ball.
Coburg 3
Port 0
Port with the breeze.
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Is there going to be any updates on the Ressies game today ?
2009 VFL Reserves
Port Melbourne 2.5 5.7 11.8 15.10 (100)
Coburg Tigers 2.2 8.7 12.10 15.14 (104)
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Port goal
3 - 6
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Gilly kicked 4 in the ressies.
2009 VFL Reserves
Port Melbourne 2.5 5.7 11.8 15.10 (100)
Coburg Tigers 2.2 8.7 12.10 15.14 (104)
GOALS:
Port Melbourne: Casey-Leigh 4 O'Farrell 2 Irving 2 Deluca Siciliano Thomas Debruin Neville Dare Scipione
Coburg Tigers: GILLIGAN 4 Raines 2 Allan 2 Hughes 2 Bassi Horne Cattapan Kellett Hislop
BEST:
Port Melbourne: Deluca Irving Jones Casey-Leigh Siciliano Grima
Coburg Tigers: Raines Polak McErlain Cattapan Clifton GILLIGAN
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LOL Jordie.
Shocking game so far. Joel the only one looking decent out there. As for our other RFC senior players they are getting caught for lack of awareness at VFL level :help.
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Jordie has had the ball twice and he's given away two frees :P.
3 - 21
All 3 Port goals from frees
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Browne free. Gives it to Bowden and goal on his right :gotigers
9 - 28
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Quarter time
Coburg 1.3-9
Port 4.4-28
Goals: Bowden
Apart from Joel and Silvester the rest have been awful.
I know we were kicking into the breeze but the overuse of handball was Wallace-esque gameplan. Only Joel kicked long. Jordie and Connors have been asleep whenever they have gone near the ball.
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Connors has been very disappointing this season. Needs to extract the digit in a hurry.
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Coburg has had more of the ball but it's been all handball.
Frees: 5 - 15 :help
Port had 27 tackles in one that quarter.
LOL Ayres bagging the holding on after the tackle rule - "it's a s--- rule" :lol
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Schulz crumbs a goal
15 - 35
Another Port player down. Copped a knee on the lower stomach.
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Connors being a hog going for the mark spoils a pass that was meant for a teammates across HF. From the ball-up Port run it down for a goal.
15 - 41
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This is pretty pathetic i'm afraid
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Too right GR.
Cogs looking very slow sadly. Caught twice now :(. King and Jordie are just duds ::).
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It is the Richmond listed players that are the let down,T-shirt tommy getting interviewed now. It was not a total waste watching the footy!
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Geez the first time all day we go long and direct and surprise surprise we get a mark inside 50. Carrick goal
22 - 60
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Thomson copped a footy in the crown jewels.
Clarke makes it 2 in 2 mins.
28 - 60
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Playing like a rabble :help
Half time
Coburg 1.3 4.4-28
Port 4.4 10.6-66
Goals: Bowden, Schulz, Carrick, Clarke
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Bowden literally saved by the bell! Ill cut a little slack, the wind does not seem to be the advantage that it wa.s iin the first quarter
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Bowden literally saved by the bell! Ill cut a little slack, the wind does not seem to be the advantage that it wa.s iin the first quarter
Bowdens last effort just on half time was an absolute disgrace. Todays performance is shocking. Dean Putt moves well for a big guy and has potential. Craig McCrae needs to get his match ups right. Putt should be at Full Forward.
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jordie runs around the outside of packs looking for easy kicks, he looks useless :-\
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In fairness to Joel he was dazed after copping a heavy hit to his head just a minute before that dropped mark. He stayed on but he was clearly not clear in the head.
Possies (although they're pretty meaningless the way Coburg is going short all the time and stuffing up). All defenders the main possie getters.
Connors 16
Bowden 15
McMahon 15
King 11
Only Bowden and Silvester could hold their head up. Putt took a couple of good saving marks deep in defence. That's about it. It would be better for us to stick more talls up forward and just tell everyone to go long to them. Little Carrick is harding a big target to go long to.
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Clarke goals. Rhys-Jones bagging Browne's kicking.
34 - 73
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That should have been a mark to schulz on the lead and Connors should have stayed out of the contest :P.
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i reckon we stopped their momentum now! Now to all we have to do is get the skills on
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Horne goal
40 - 73
It should be this close if you call it close. Every goal is manufactured.
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How soft was that by McMahon before ::)
Then we stuff up a chance for goal with too much handball :banghead
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Schulz marks near the bounary - OOTF :P. He could have passed it to Cogs in the square if he thought quickly enough.
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Geez Port have got every 50/50 free go their way today :scream.
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Schulz goal
46 - 75
Not pretty but effective.
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3/4 time
Coburg 1.3 4.4 7.4-46
Port 4.4 10.6 13.9-87
Goals: Clarke 2, Schulz 2, Bowden, Carrick, Horne
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Possies
Bowden 22
McMahon 21
Connors 16
King 12
Putt 11
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Turnovers: 15 - 7
Inside 50s: 24 - 42
Frees: 16 - 25
McRae is going to put Schulz in the goalsquare one-out and everyone else outside 50.
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Possies
Bowden 22
McMahon 21
Connors 16
King 12
Putt 11
Coughlan?
Thompson?
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Both not on the radar Magic. Apart from stoppages they haven't been sighted.
Jordie kicks it straight to a Port in the backline and that's the ball game if it wasn't already. 46 - 101
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Both not on the radar Magic. Apart from stoppages they haven't been sighted.
Ta Cyclops. Doesn't bode well for either. :-\
Sounds like the midfield has been smashed.
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Both not on the radar Magic. Apart from stoppages they haven't been sighted.
Ta Cyclops. Doesn't bode well for either. :-\
Sounds like the midfield has been smashed.
3rd round pick for Thomson. Compare that to Essendon getting Prismall for the same price. Dumb recruiting is why we are where we are :banghead.
Clarke gets his 3rd goal. 52 - 102
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Browne's kicking today has been atrocious :-\. Point. Gets another go and this time kicks it.
59 - 102
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Horne goal. Only making the scoreboard look a bit more respectable.
65 - 102
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Junk time
Schulz goal
71 - 109
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Final score
Coburg 1.3 4.4 7.4 12.5-77
Port 4.4 10.6 12.9 18.14-122
Goals: Clarke 3, Schulz 3, Horne 2, Bowden, Carrick, Browne, Caruso
Bests: Silvester, Clarke, Bowden .... umm that's about it if we were that lucky. Pathetic team 'effort' sums it up.
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Schulz was reasonably good when the ball went near him. poo game. Thomson? Not even close to a game with Richmond. :scream
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FOR ALL OF YOU CLOWNS WHO HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR SCHULZ TO BE PREMOTED TO SENIORS........HAHAHAHA LMAO
The same people who said no to Vickery being promoted because he doesn't show enough at VFL level. get a stuffin grip.
Vickery is our future and should always play ahead of Schulz.
I cant wait for our new coach to stuff this loser off to Norwood or whatever he is from for good.
To get offerfed a pick for Schulz and declining is a fair indication of where we are at. Till this sentiment changes and we get rid of these list clogging losers we will go nowhere as a football club.
Petrified and Peter North Mcmahon i know your reading this. This applies to you as well.
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Gods gift to football speaks!
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FOR ALL OF YOU CLOWNS WHO HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR SCHULZ TO BE PREMOTED TO SENIORS........HAHAHAHA LMAO
Hang on the midfield was smashed. He still kicked 3 goals from what sounds like pretty limited ops on a day that hardly suited talls.
Agree though that Vickery should now get opportunities ahead of him, Pattison however..
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FOR ALL OF YOU CLOWNS WHO HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR SCHULZ TO BE PREMOTED TO SENIORS........HAHAHAHA LMAO
Hang on the midfield was smashed. He still kicked 3 goals from what sounds like pretty limited ops on a day that hardly suited talls.
Agree though that Vickery should now get opportunities ahead of him, Pattison however..
yes thats right Aaron listen up you might learn something for once.
3 goals, 1 Junk. He is not up to AFL level. he is an average VFL footballer at best. Should never play again
Yes the midfield got smashed didn't they. Cogs might be finished. Thompson im sorry did he play????????????
ooh and my personal favourite Peter North. Is he serious?? Does he actually care. For all who have a bad memory this was the Mcmahon the year he left the Buldogs. Struggling to get a kick at Werribee and get into the senior side.
Im warming to Bux cause i cant seriously see him with his intelligence ever throwing picks away for the likes of this man.
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2009 VFL Seniors
Port Melbourne 4.4 10.6 13.9 18.14 (122)
Coburg Tigers 1.3 4.4 7.4 12.5 (77)
GOALS:
Port Melbourne: Robbins 4 Pitt 3 Cain 3 Pinwill 2 Mullins Dwyer McLaren Deluca Smith Hassett
Coburg Tigers: Clarke 3 Schulz 3 Horne 2 Bowden Browne Caruso Carrick
BEST:
Port Melbourne: Dwyer Pinwill Robbins Smith Cain Deluca
Coburg Tigers: Clarke Bowden Carnell Silvester King Coughlan
https://reg.sportingpulse.com/olr_v3/rpt_progressive.cgi?aID=8&pg=1&a=MR_
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For those that missed the ressie score earlier in the thread......
2009 VFL Reserves
Port Melbourne 2.5 5.7 11.8 15.10 (100)
Coburg Tigers 2.2 8.7 12.10 15.14 (104)
GOALS:
Port Melbourne: Casey-Leigh 4 O'Farrell 2 Irving 2 Deluca Siciliano Thomas Debruin Neville Dare Scipione
Coburg Tigers: GILLIGAN 4 Raines 2 Allan 2 Hughes 2 Bassi Horne Cattapan Kellett Hislop
BEST:
Port Melbourne: Deluca Irving Jones Casey-Leigh Siciliano Grima
Coburg Tigers: Raines Polak McErlain Cattapan Clifton GILLIGAN
https://reg.sportingpulse.com/olr_v3/rpt_progressive.cgi?aID=8&pg=1&a=MR_
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No sign of Rhett Jordon, anybody know if he played?
:thumbsup
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Not sure how King and Cogs were named in the bests. Only Joel and Silvester were decent for mine of the RFC boys. In defence of Sarge it must have been a nightmare playing forward today the way the ball was and wasn't coming into Coburg's forward line. Everytime a Coburg player had the ball they looked to go short either by hand or foot even when we had the breeze. It just played into Port Melbourne's hands. At least Joel kicked long more often than not and Silvester at least beat his direct opponent which was good effort given how easily the ball was coming into the Port's forward line.
I thought our match-ups and positioning of our players was awful as well as the gamestyle. McRae had a shocker for his first day in the coaches' box. It didn't start well before the game for him either when he told Cleary when interviewed he doesn't talk about winning it's more about the process. :P.
No sign of Rhett Jordon, anybody know if he played?
:thumbsup
He was named in the ressies.
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Gilligan is my pick for shock senior Richmond selection before R22.
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Both not on the radar Magic. Apart from stoppages they haven't been sighted.
Ta Cyclops. Doesn't bode well for either. :-\
Sounds like the midfield has been smashed.
3rd round pick for Thomson. Compare that to Essendon getting Prismall for the same price. Dumb recruiting is why we are where we are :banghead.
Clarke gets his 3rd goal. 52 - 102
Thomson isnt up to VFL standard,
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Coburg Tigers beaten by 45 points in VFL
Adrian Ballantyne | June 20, 2009 04:30pm
RICHMOND'S axed veterans were on the end of an embarrassing loss after suiting up for the Tigers' VFL side this afternoon.
Senior players Joel Bowden, Mark Coughlan and Jordan McMahon were all part of the Coburg Tigers’ 45-point loss, while other AFL regulars Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls, Jake King and Jay Schulz also played.
Most were dropped from Richmond's senior side after coach Terry Wallace stepped down a fortnight ago and interim replacement Jade Rawlings opted for youth over experience.
Coburg were never really in the game despite the importance of the match, with both sides locked in a seven-way battle for second, third and fourth spots on the ladder.
Port will now leapfrog Coburg into fourth after winning 18.14 (122) to 12.5 (77) at TEAC Oval.
The Tigers kicked just one goal in the opening term and trailed by 19 points at the first break.
Port’s forwards were well on top in the second quarter, piling on six goals to three
to open up a 38-point lead.
Coburg kept its chances of an unlikely win alive, matching the home side’s three goals in the third quarter, but a Port goal inside the first 30 seconds of the final term snuffed out any chance of a comeback.
Most of Richmond's dumped players had games to forget.
Oakley-Nicholl's kicking let him down repeatedly, though King showed glimpses of the form that had him touted as one of the Tigers' great finds last year and Bowden was solid down back.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25664394-19742,00.html
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JON kicking let his down the above article says , well hello ::) ::) ::)
Not a good debut from MCrae either.
Too short, too lateral , same as some other former coach we might know :banghead ::)
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After being positive of the Thomson recruitment it saddens me to say it but he isnt an AFL standard player and we wasted a 3rd round pick. Today he was very average and no where near AFL standard.
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I didnt want to start a new thread but the association with Coburg is not working and IMHO it should be stopped because Im of the view that its hindering the development of our players. Our VFL side should be called Craigieburn RFC Tigers or some name like that, they should wear Richmond colors and they should be based out at Craigieburn with as many RFC listed players as possible.
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I didnt want to start a new thread but the association with Coburg is not working and IMHO it should be stopped because Im of the view that its hindering the development of our players. Our VFL side should be called Craigieburn RFC Tigers or some name like that, they should wear Richmond colors and they should be based out at Craigieburn with as many RFC listed players as possible.
Would agree there Ramps
And with other clubs challenging alliances and even going back to having there own reserves, I think this is the only option.
Considering the Frankstons grant from the VFL is only $150,000. Surely and AFL club could support there own reserves team.
Interesting that Essendon are dropping Bendigo at years end for the exact reason, too hard to keep control of the development of younger players, and they have had success of there younger players too.
Too many Richmond players have gone backwards at Coburg. Although it might be the fault of the players and not the process
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Brilliant debut by kane johnson as assistant coach :thumbsup :scream 0 fLIckeN shitman :wallywink
Heard on sen that rawlings was talking game plans with dermie....
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with all the new found wealth they have there at Richmond (ie. the recruitment of Cousins), they should be spending every cent of that money on player development. IMHO I think this club is the worst in the league at development of players. :banghead
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I didnt want to start a new thread but the association with Coburg is not working and IMHO it should be stopped because Im of the view that its hindering the development of our players. Our VFL side should be called Craigieburn RFC Tigers or some name like that, they should wear Richmond colors and they should be based out at Craigieburn with as many RFC listed players as possible.
Would agree there Ramps
And with other clubs challenging alliances and even going back to having there own reserves, I think this is the only option.
Considering the Frankstons grant from the VFL is only $150,000. Surely and AFL club could support there own reserves team.
Interesting that Essendon are dropping Bendigo at years end for the exact reason, too hard to keep control of the development of younger players, and they have had success of there younger players too.
Too many Richmond players have gone backwards at Coburg. Although it might be the fault of the players and not the process
They were talking about this tonight regarding why Collingwood went it alone and dumped Willy. The Pies were sick of their younger players being forced to play VFL ressies to fit 10 VFL-based players from the affiliate club. The issue for poorer clubs is they were saying a stand alone club costs around $280k to run compared to $80k teaming up with an affiliate VFL club.
I don't think today though we can blame not having a stand alone VFL side for being flogged. It was probably the most mature side Coburg has had all year. The fault was moreso players not working hard enough nor doing the footy fundamentals plus a gameplan where players wanted to kick and handball 10m all the time. The reason why they got dropped to Coburg in the first place ::). Port were far more desperate especially their forward line pressure and were simply better drilled and more direct.
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After being positive of the Thomson recruitment it saddens me to say it but he isnt an AFL standard player and we wasted a 3rd round pick. Today he was very average and no where near AFL standard.
That was evident from the day we recruited this hack.
This is what we know of this dud of a 3rd round pick in the strongest draft in years
Coudlnt get a game at Port when they were on the bottom a few years back.
cant get a game at our club and we currently sit second last...
What a farce our football club is and these are the type of decisions which need to stop
if we are to go anywhere north on the ladder.
Cameron if he was the one who was instrumental in recruiting Thompson, should be sacked immediately.
We seem to reward mediocrity at Punt Road time and time again.
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Craig McRae's debut one to forget
Howard Leigh | June 20, 2009 04:30pm
COBURG caretaker coach Craig McRae came away from yesterday's debut assignment against Port Melbourne empty-handed.
The Brisbane Lions triple-premiership forward, who took over the Tigers' coaching reins from Jade Rawlings, was forced to settle for a 45-point loss to Port.
"I don't believe in fairytales and it wasn't too good," McRae said.
"We have got to address our first halves if we are going to be a serious contender."
But there were positive signs for Richmond players Joel Bowden, Jordan McMahon, Mark Coughlan and Jake King, whose futures at Punt Rd are in the melting pot.
Richmond ruckman Troy Simmonds (groin) and Kayne Pettifer (knee), who were dumped by Rawlings from the AFL side for last weekend's match against West Coast, were unavailable for selection.
McRae praised Bowden, who turns 31 today, for his 27 disposals and eight marks working through the middle of the ground and drifting forward where he kicked a goal.
McMahon also had 27 touches across half-back. Coughlan, 27, laid 11 tackles and had 20 disposals in the midfield rotating from the interchange bench. King had 18 disposals in the first line of defence.
McRae, 35, said he would be happy to have several players of Bowden's calibre at his disposal.
"He's a professional at this level," he said. "He's played more 260 games and he stands out."
Coburg named Coughlan among its best, but McRae wasn't pleased with the output of his group of midfielders.
"I would have thought Coughlan would have been disappointed with his game despite his tackles and possessions," he said.
McMahon had run and carry, but made several turnovers.
Richmond forward Jay Schulz and former Hawthorn player Tim Clarke each booted three goals.
Port, which has won all its 17 home and finals games at the TEAC Oval since Ayres took over coach at the start of last season, kicked 18.14 (122) to Coburg's 12.5 (77).
McRae was supported in the coaches box by recently retired midfielder Kane Johnson while Rawlings watched from the sideline.
Richmond big man Graham Polak took a big step forward with Coburg reserves yesterday, picking up more than 20 possessions in a rucking role and drifting forward.
Richmond defender Andrew Raines, who has been troubled by a knee injury since early in the season, was best on the ground in the reserves with 39 touches.
McRae said Polak and Raines were in the mix to return to the Coburg senior side for next week's game against Sandringham.
"We thought about playing Polak yesterday in a couple of different roles. He's been playing good footy," he said.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25664394-19742,00.html
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The Sunday Age says Polak had 38 possessions...
Joel Bowden (27 disposals) was the best of Richmond's players for Coburg in a midfield role and is in line for a recall against St Kilda next Sunday.
Mark Coughlan (23 possessions) and Jake King (17) were good contributors, but Troy Simmonds (groin) and Kayne Pettifer (knee) missed the match.
"I think Joel's such a professional," McRae said. "He stands out.
"I would have liked to have had a few more Joel Bowdens out there today.
"We used him across the wing and forward and defence.
"I think he's clearly a quality player at this level."
Graham Polak had 38 touches in Coburg's reserves, missing out on senior selection because of the 12-10 AFL-listed player rule against a VFL stand-alone club.
McRae had retired Tiger Kane Johnson assisting him in the coach's box with Rawlings watching on.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/young-bulldog-injures-neck/2009/06/20/1244918237087.html
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Went down to this game. Port Melbourne have brillant ground. $4 beer cans & outstanding hotdogs.
Was a very sad day for Richond fans.
Joel was good, nailed a few blokes and got the ball. Looked a class above. The ball hardly came to Schultz @ FF. Connors did nothing. Thomson crap. Putt does looks like he does not understand the game very well. Overall was a crap effort.
Bit worried about a few of our younger players.
From the 3rds Hughes kicked the winning goal. Raines played. Polak was in the ruck.
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Went down to this game. Port Melbourne have brillant ground. $4 beer cans & outstanding hotdogs.
Was a very sad day for Richond fans.
Joel was good, nailed a few blokes and got the ball. Looked a class above. The ball hardly came to Schultz @ FF. Connors did nothing. Thomson crap. Putt does looks like he does not understand the game very well. Overall was a crap effort.
Bit worried about a few of our younger players.
From the 3rds Hughes kicked the winning goal. Raines played. Polak was in the ruck.
Now there's an oxymoron.
:lol
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Putt needs to stack on another 10kgs, Post another 6-7kgs. They are both still young especially for talls. I wasn't totally unhappy with them either. Both showed as mobile talls there's something to work with IMO. Being in a better side playing a more direct style would've helped too. Take a mark as a tall mid or rebounding defender then dish off to a classy small who passes long would make them effective and dangerous players playing both contested KP and uncontested linking footy. Yesterday would've been the worst Coburg has played just from a gameplan point of view. How you could develop your footy as a youngster playing that crap is mindboggling.
Good news about Polly in the 2s :).
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What a terrible display
i thought Bowden J was OK, Silvestor good and the others .... well it's better left unsaid
Actually no it isn't
Putt - is not a CHB and really does need to work on the defensive side of his game. When the ball moves more than 3-5 metres away from him he either jogs or stops rather than going into help his team-mate and applying pressure.
Post - see putt above about defensive pressure. His disposal was woeful yesterday. Based on yesterday's effort doesnt deserve to play AFL yet
Cogs - I am "gobsmacked" he was named in the best. His helicopter pass to leading forward were ghastly
King - though Jake was OK but disposal awful
thompson - biggest disappointment of the day for me :banghead
Connors - I would drop him back to the ressies until he is prepared to play team footy >:(
Jordie - no wonder the likes of Putt & Post jog on the spot and not run hard when they see a senior player do exactly the same thing. He wont chase, he wont tackle and he wont bloody attack the contest
Would agree there Ramps
And with other clubs challenging alliances and even going back to having there own reserves, I think this is the only option.
Considering the Frankstons grant from the VFL is only $150,000. Surely and AFL club could support there own reserves team.
Interesting that Essendon are dropping Bendigo at years end for the exact reason, too hard to keep control of the development of younger players, and they have had success of there younger players too.
Too many Richmond players have gone backwards at Coburg. Although it might be the fault of the players and not the process
Jack/Ramps -It isn't as easy as suddenly saying lets dump the alignments and field our own team. Firstly the VFL licences are controlled and issued by AFL Victoria, so you would need them to OK it. Dont' be mislead by the AFL Vic grant to stand alone VFL teams - they get other things as well, like extra salary cap spend. It would cost alot more than $150k to field a team in the VFL. Remember that both Geelong and Collingwood have to have a VFL list of 12 players outside of their AFL list, so there is another cost.
Geelong's annual report a few years back actually said it costs them approx $400 to field a team in the VFL every year and I am sure that Pies budget around the same figure to field their team.
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The Sunday Age says Polak had 38 possessions...
Pretty sure that was Raines and not Polly. Could be wrong.
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The Sunday Age says Polak had 38 possessions...
Pretty sure that was Raines and not Polly. Could be wrong.
It was Raines
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Putt - is not a CHB and really does need to work on the defensive side of his game. When the ball moves more than 3-5 metres away from him he either jogs or stops rather than going into help his team-mate and applying pressure.
Post - see putt above about defensive pressure. His disposal was woeful yesterday. Based on yesterday's effort doesnt deserve to play AFL yet
I believe that's why both were sent back into defence to work on the defensive side of their game.
WP your whole post is spot on. Connors was my biggest disappointment. He's in danger of being another footballer who wastes his talent because he is undisciplined and plays as if it's all about him. At least twice yesterday he spoiled his own teammate in a marking contest because he still went for the mark himself one handed even though his teammate was in clear better position to mark the footy in both hands on the lead :P.
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Round 10 Match Report
By Glenn Robertson
PORT MELBOURNE v COBURG TIGERS
TEAC OVAL
SATURDAY 20th JUNE
The Burgers travelled down to Teac Oval on Saturday to take on Port Melbourne on a fairly cloudy and dark day. Both sides sat equal on the ladder with five wins apiece with the Burgers having a couple of key inclusions into the team including Joel Bowden and Mark Coughlan. However the Borough were minor favourites heading into the match. Craig McRae took over the reins as the new Burger coach and after a week off the boys were firing and ready to impress.
A 2-3 goal wind was favouring the far end to which the Borough would kick to first. However it was Coburg who looked the better team early on but could not convert it on the scoreboard, booting the first three points of the match. Nat Caruso looked lively and laid a couple of fierce tackles, while Bowden and Daniel Connors racked up the possessions.
Port kicked the first major of the game after thirteen minutes and from then on added three more before Bowden kicked Coburg’s solitary goal for the term just before the siren.
Coburg Tigers 1.3 (9) Port Melbourne 4.4 (28)
Port kicked an early goal in the second term before some great courage from Nick Carnell caused a spillage for Jay Schultz to slot his first major. Connors unselfishly passed to Glen Carrick who converted and after Tim Clarke kicked a great running goal the Burgers were looking the goods. But Port had other ideas and finished the term off strongly kicking multiple goals to take a thirty eight point lead in to the main change. Although it wasn’t all good news for the Borough as they had two players stretchered off during the first half.
Coburg Tigers 4.4 (28) Port Melbourne 10.6 (66)
Coburg made costly errors early in the third term that lead to Borough goals and made it very hard for any chance of a resurgence. Jarrod Silvester battled hard at full back all day and created run out of the backline. He set up Tim Clarke’s second goal, which was followed by majors to Andrew Horne and Schultz midway through the term. The Burgers battled well into the breeze finishing the quarter evenly with three goals a piece. Joel Bowden was brilliant playing off the wing picking up disposals at will and also having a handful of goal assists. Coming home with the mild breeze the Burgers were still a slight chance to pull off a memorable victory.
Coburg Tigers 7.4 (46) Port Melbourne 13.9 (87)
Unfortunately the Borough came out firing after the small break booting consecutive goals in the opening minutes and putting and killing off any thoughts of a burger comeback. Tim Clarke was again a standout for the Tigers using the ball wisely and he also finished with three majors for the match. Mark Coughlan was great in patches as was captain Nick Carnell, but after a five goal each final term the Borough ran away with a forty five point victory.
This week sees the Burgers return home to ABD Group Stadium to take on ninth place Sandringham on Saturday starting at 2.00pm. Coburg currently sit in seventh place on the ladder with five wins. The Reserves sit in fifth place and also take on Sandringham starting at 11.10am.
Coburg Tigers 1.3 4.4 7.4 12.5 (77)
Port Melbourne 4.4 10.6 13.9 18.14 (122)
Goal Kickers: T. Clarke 3, J. Schulz 3, A. Horne 2, J. Bowden, G. Carrick, N. Caruso, A. Browne
Best Players: T. Clarke, J. Bowden, N. Carnell, J. Silvester, J. King, M. Coughlan
RESERVES
The Tiger Reserves held off a fast finishing Borough side to win by four points. After leading by three straight kicks at the main change the boys held on for a gutsy highly entertaining victory late in the match.
Andrew Raines was brilliant for the Burgers running off half back and through the midfield collecting 39 possessions, while Graeme Polak also was a standout playing his best game for season 2009. The goals were shared around for the Burgers with Alroy Gilligan the most prolific up forward booting four majors.
Coburg Tigers 2.2 8.7 12.10 15.14 (104)
Port Melbourne 2.5 5.7 11.8 15.10 (100)
Goal Kickers: A. Gilligan 4, R. Allan 2, C. Hughes 2, A. Raines 2, J. Bassi, J. Hislop, M. Kellett, J. Horne, N. Cattapan
Best Players: A. Raines, G. Polak, C. McErlain, N. Cattapan, B. Clifton, A. Gilligan
http://www.sportingpulse.com/club_info.cgi?client=1-118-10471-0-0&sID=56260&&news_task=DETAIL&articleID=9320553§ionID=56260
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Stats from McRae's first EOTT report:
Bowden - 27 possies. "Great leadership"
Silvester - "Clearly one of the best players on the ground. Continues to attack both the footy and his opponent hard. Kept a quality forward in Adrian Bonaddio goalless. Also provided good drive out of defence for us."
The rest had "but", "although", "struggled", "beaten" or "second to the ball" next to their name.
Browne played No.1 ruck for the first time and had 80% game time.
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