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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Ramps on August 15, 2009, 06:28:35 PM
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This just my opinion on the list towards the end of the 2009 season. We have alot who arent up to it. The Frawley Wallace Miller era has wrecked our club.
2. Will Thursfield - should stay in 2010
3. Brett Deledio - should stay in 2010
4. Andrew Raines - Trade
5. Troy Simmonds - Delist
6. Graham Polak - Delist
7. Nathan Brown - Delist
8. Jack Riewoldt - should stay in 2010
9. Trent Cotchin - should stay in 2010
10. Shane Edwards - Trade for a decent deal otherwise he stays
11. Joel Bowden - Delist
12. Matthew Richardson - should stay in 2010
13. Jordan McMahon - Trade or Delist
14. Dean Polo - Trade for a decent deal otherwise he stays
15. Kayne Pettifer - Delist
16. Luke McGuane - should stay in 2010
17. Chris Newman - At 27yo try and Trade for a decent deal otherwise he stays
18. Alex Rance - should stay in 2010, needs to spend the summer learning how to kick
19. Dean Putt - where is he? the Invisible man.
20. Mitch Morton - should stay in 2010
21. Shane Tuck - Trade for a decent deal otherwise he stays
22. Jarryd Oakley-Nicholls - Delist
23. Daniel Jackson - should stay in 201
24. Mark Coughlan - Delist
25. Jay Schulz - Delist
26. Adam Pattison - Trade for a decent deal otherwise he stays
27. Tom Hislop - Survives for 2010 because to many have to be cut
28. Kane Johnson - Delist
29. Tyrone Vickery - Keep
30. Richard Tambling - Keep
31. Adam Thomson - Survives so we can see if he can play in 2010
32. Ben Cousins - Retained for his skill and leadership.
34. Cleve Hughes - Trade for decent deal otherwise I suppose he stays
35. Matthew White - Trade
37. Jayden Post - Keep
39. Daniel Connors - Trade or Delist
40. Kelvin Moore - Trade for a decent deal otherwise he stays
41. Nathan Foley - I would have traded but he has to stay because of the quality in the list
42. Andrew Collins - Keep
44. Angus Graham - Keep but he is only just a player
46. Jake King - Delist
33. David Gourdis - Retain for 12 more months
36. Jarrod Silvester - Delist
38. Robin Nahas - Keep
43. Andrew Browne - Keep
45. Alroy Gilligan - Keep
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On SEN today March said that Cameron had come up with a list of 12-13 players who could play in our next premiership team.
I'd love to know who is on the list.
IMHO
Champion players who will be too old for our next premiership
Richo
Cousins
Players who you would say are good enough to play in a premiership team
Deledio
Tambling
Solid players who would be contributors in a premiership team
Newman
Jackson
Foley
Polo
Promising youngsters
Cotchin
Collins
Rance
Post
Project players
Nahas
The rest have a LOT to prove next season. The form of our backline talls is particularly worrying after the backend of last season.
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This just my opinion on the list towards the end of the 2009 season. We have alot who arent up to it. The Frawley Wallace Miller era has wrecked our club.
2. Will Thursfield - should stay in 2010
3. Brett Deledio - should stay in 2010
4. Andrew Raines - Trade
5. Troy Simmonds - Delist
6. Graham Polak - Delist
7. Nathan Brown - Delist
8. Jack Riewoldt - should stay in 2010
9. Trent Cotchin - should stay in 2010
10. Shane Edwards - Trade for a decent deal otherwise he stays
11. Joel Bowden - Delist
12. Matthew Richardson - should stay in 2010
13. Jordan McMahon - Trade or Delist
14. Dean Polo - Trade for a decent deal otherwise he stays
15. Kayne Pettifer - Delist
16. Luke McGuane - should stay in 2010
17. Chris Newman - At 27yo try and Trade for a decent deal otherwise he stays
18. Alex Rance - should stay in 2010, needs to spend the summer learning how to kick
19. Dean Putt - where is he? the Invisible man.
20. Mitch Morton - should stay in 2010
21. Shane Tuck - Trade for a decent deal otherwise he stays
22. Jarryd Oakley-Nicholls - Delist
23. Daniel Jackson - should stay in 201
24. Mark Coughlan - Delist
25. Jay Schulz - Delist
26. Adam Pattison - Trade for a decent deal otherwise he stays
27. Tom Hislop - Survives for 2010 because to many have to be cut
28. Kane Johnson - Delist
29. Tyrone Vickery - Keep
30. Richard Tambling - Keep
31. Adam Thomson - Survives so we can see if he can play in 2010
32. Ben Cousins - Retained for his skill and leadership.
34. Cleve Hughes - Trade for decent deal otherwise I suppose he stays
35. Matthew White - Trade
37. Jayden Post - Keep
39. Daniel Connors - Trade or Delist
40. Kelvin Moore - Trade for a decent deal otherwise he stays
41. Nathan Foley - I would have traded but he has to stay because of the quality in the list
42. Andrew Collins - Keep
44. Angus Graham - Keep but he is only just a player
46. Jake King - Delist
33. David Gourdis - Retain for 12 more months
36. Jarrod Silvester - Delist
38. Robin Nahas - Keep
43. Andrew Browne - Keep
45. Alroy Gilligan - Keep
Ramps agree with all bar 2.
What drugs are you on ?? CLEVE HUGHES :banghead
And I dont think Rance will make it, have watched him very closely over the past month, he CANT PLAY, Is too slow and has no awareness
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Exactly Jake. Thrown in Vickery and a fit Moore.
Thursfield is too skinny to be a defender. he is our version of Zac Dawson of the Hawks of 2007
I still think Jack is going to be a good player but ONLY if he takes the 3rd best defender. He needs help there next year big time. Butcher pleaseeeeeeeeeeee
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Pretty Spot on Ramps.
I think Jake King stays. Alot can be said for a guy with half as much skill as anyone else and gives 110% when your down by 100 points.
There were many highly rated players that were disinterested today, for mine they go before someone who gives 110.
Old footy saying goes:
A footballer with mediocre skill with 100% effort could be anything,
A footballer with great skill with 50% effort is nothing.
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Unfortunately we cant sack them all. If someone gives us a 3rd rounder for Hughes then he goes, otherwise there are to many before him that need to go. As for Rance, Alex cant kick, but he is worth persisting with, theres atleast 20 blokes that need to go before Alex Rance.
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The players marked for trade aint worth nothing
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The players marked for trade aint worth nothing
Correct and it shows how stupid our club has been over the last 10 years.
The only thing keeping our club from dying a sad death ala Fitzroy is our supporters and members.
The members and supporters want Matthews or Hardwick or preferably both with Matthews as a director of coaching with Hardwick as Senior Coach.
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The players marked for trade aint worth nothing
Correct and it shows how stupid our club has been over the last 10 years.
The only thing keeping our club from dying a sad death ala Fitzroy is our supporters and members.
The members and supporters want Matthews or Hardwick or preferably both with Matthews as a director of coaching with Hardwick as Senior Coach.
Ramps, I think you can see why I was so scaving of Wallace and Co over the past 3 years,
And to have Terry say 8 weeks ago that he took over a "" basket case "" 5 years ago.
Well its worse now.
Why ?
Through bad management and bad decisions, who is the blame, no the supporters but staff and managers of this football club.
March will go in a few weeks, nothing is more ceratin with Mike Green taking the reins.
Benny Gale taking over from Steve Wright is fantastic, forget about the 2m profit, he has done nothing to change they way the club is,
Steve Wrights ink is on the McMahon contract by the way.
He should of stood up to people and challenged them , but no , he was Humphrey B Bear, never said a thing .
I love this football club, but the future isnt good at all.
WHAT A MESS
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You're an idiot, there is no way the CEO should be making football list decisions. The CEO is there to run the business side of the club, not dictate how things should be done on field.
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You're an idiot, there is no way the CEO should be making football list decisions. The CEO is there to run the business side of the club, not dictate how things should be done on field.
Why am i an idiot,
NO DOUBT Benny Gale will play a big part in player contracts etc.
To pay McMahon $330,000 a year for three years when the he played 6 games the previous year at $175,000 a year is a disgrace,
WHO IS THE IDIOT OR IDIOTS IN THIS INSTANCE.
Contract is signed by S. Wright ;)
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So does that mean that every single CEO at AFL clubs needs to have AFL list management experience? I'm sorry, but that's just ridiculous. There is a set amount of the TPP that we must pay and the average senior AFL player salary is around $250k per year. The contract McMahon received would have been one negotiated between the list manager of the time and McMahon's manager. Wright may sign the cheques, but he isn't the one making that decision. I'm sorry but I've never heard of any CEO at any club interfering with list management decisions, they are business men. The football department gets their TPP budget for player salaries and that is theirs to work with. The club as a whole may make a decision to reduce or increase their total TPP expenditure, but the details of who it goes to is not and should not be that of the CEO.
Besides, CEOs aren't meant to be micro-managers, they can't be expected to negotiate every single salary at an entity the size of an AFL football cub. A good manager delegates and in this instance, the roles were delegated to people who were already at the club when Wright took over the position.
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So does that mean that every single CEO at AFL clubs needs to have AFL list management experience? I'm sorry, but that's just ridiculous. There is a set amount of the TPP that we must pay and the average senior AFL player salary is around $250k per year. The contract McMahon received would have been one negotiated between the list manager of the time and McMahon's manager. Wright may sign the cheques, but he isn't the one making that decision.
CEOs aren't meant to be micro-managers, they can't be expected to negotiate every single salary at an entity the size of an AFL football cub. A good manager delegates and in this instance, the roles were delegated to people who were already at the club when Wright took over the role.
You have no idea, pointless discussing this with morons on the internet.
Will say this, I spent 4 years at Punt Rd and I would think there needs to be a COMPLETE clean out of all staff, like it or not.
And furthermore, dont worry what spin the RFC put on things, Steve Wright was moved on and replaced by someone with "'Footy Nounce "" and the place is a mess, and we have seen what has translating on the ground over the past 3 weeks.
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Yeah I'm the idiot here
Perhaps instead of just giving up you should tell me why I am wrong
Or perhaps you can't, you can't argue with logic you know
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So does that mean that every single CEO at AFL clubs needs to have AFL list management experience? I'm sorry, but that's just ridiculous. There is a set amount of the TPP that we must pay and the average senior AFL player salary is around $250k per year. The contract McMahon received would have been one negotiated between the list manager of the time and McMahon's manager. Wright may sign the cheques, but he isn't the one making that decision.
I'm sorry but I've never heard of any CEO at any club interfering with football department decisions, they are business men.
CEOs aren't meant to be micro-managers, they can't be expected to negotiate every single salary at an entity the size of an AFL football cub. A good manager delegates and in this instance, the roles were delegated to people who were already at the club when Wright took over the position.
That may be true but i cant see one Benny Gale not getting involved if he was asked to sign that cheque over
I rank that as one of the worst decisions by the club in the last 30 years.
best decision the club has made in 30 years is hire Benny Gale. I personally hopwe he does get involved more than Wright. we need all the help we can get
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So does that mean that every single CEO at AFL clubs needs to have AFL list management experience? I'm sorry, but that's just ridiculous. There is a set amount of the TPP that we must pay and the average senior AFL player salary is around $250k per year. The contract McMahon received would have been one negotiated between the list manager of the time and McMahon's manager. Wright may sign the cheques, but he isn't the one making that decision.
I'm sorry but I've never heard of any CEO at any club interfering with football department decisions, they are business men.
CEOs aren't meant to be micro-managers, they can't be expected to negotiate every single salary at an entity the size of an AFL football cub. A good manager delegates and in this instance, the roles were delegated to people who were already at the club when Wright took over the position.
That may be true but i cant see one Benny Gale not getting involved if he was asked to sign that cheque over
I rank that as one of the worst decisions by the club in the last 30 years.
best decision the club has made in 30 years is hire Benny Gale. I personally hopwe he does get involved more than Wright. we need all the help we can get
Thanks Daniel, you answered Infamy question.
Infamy, why would I want to debate with idiots when all you do is abuse me. I told you all at the start of the year about Wallace and Co , :banghead
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I remember coming onto these boards and saying that the Richmond Board should VETO any move to get McMahon. I was lambasted on here. As usual some of us got it right again. Sadly this was another case. And to think we missed out on Selwood for McMahon :banghead
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So does that mean that every single CEO at AFL clubs needs to have AFL list management experience? I'm sorry, but that's just ridiculous. There is a set amount of the TPP that we must pay and the average senior AFL player salary is around $250k per year. The contract McMahon received would have been one negotiated between the list manager of the time and McMahon's manager. Wright may sign the cheques, but he isn't the one making that decision.
I'm sorry but I've never heard of any CEO at any club interfering with football department decisions, they are business men.
CEOs aren't meant to be micro-managers, they can't be expected to negotiate every single salary at an entity the size of an AFL football cub. A good manager delegates and in this instance, the roles were delegated to people who were already at the club when Wright took over the position.
That may be true but i cant see one Benny Gale not getting involved if he was asked to sign that cheque over
I rank that as one of the worst decisions by the club in the last 30 years.
best decision the club has made in 30 years is hire Benny Gale. I personally hopwe he does get involved more than Wright. we need all the help we can get
Look I agree 100% that the Sanchez trade was by far the worst player trade this club has done in probably over a decade, one of the all time howlers, I also never wanted it to happen, but blame Wallace & Miller, not Wright.
I'm sorry but I disagree about Gale interferring too. If the CEO feels that he needs to interfere then it just highlights that the people he has in charge of that department aren't the right people. The board and president should be the ones who control the football department, leave the CEO to run the business side of the club. If you have it any other way then you always need the best football person to be the CEO, not the best businessman.
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So does that mean that every single CEO at AFL clubs needs to have AFL list management experience? I'm sorry, but that's just ridiculous. There is a set amount of the TPP that we must pay and the average senior AFL player salary is around $250k per year. The contract McMahon received would have been one negotiated between the list manager of the time and McMahon's manager. Wright may sign the cheques, but he isn't the one making that decision.
I'm sorry but I've never heard of any CEO at any club interfering with football department decisions, they are business men.
CEOs aren't meant to be micro-managers, they can't be expected to negotiate every single salary at an entity the size of an AFL football cub. A good manager delegates and in this instance, the roles were delegated to people who were already at the club when Wright took over the position.
That may be true but i cant see one Benny Gale not getting involved if he was asked to sign that cheque over
I rank that as one of the worst decisions by the club in the last 30 years.
best decision the club has made in 30 years is hire Benny Gale. I personally hopwe he does get involved more than Wright. we need all the help we can get
Look I agree 100% that the Sanchez trade was by far the worst player trade this club has done in probably over a decade, one of the all time howlers, I also never wanted it to happen, but blame Wallace & Miller, not Wright.
I'm sorry but I disagree about Gale interferring too. If the CEO feels that he needs to interfere then it just highlights that the people he has in charge of that department aren't the right people. The board and president should be the ones who control the football department, leave the CEO to run the business side of the club. If you have it any other way then you always need the best football person to be the CEO, not the best businessman.
Not even going to bother
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I am trying to stay positive about the list, we just need someone to get the best from it week in, week out.
St. Kilda gave me hope last week, the 7-8 guys missing last week would get a game in any team, they brought in a lot of inexperienced players, but because they have been coached well, they slot straight in and get a win over the Hawks. They had 115 tackles for the game!!
Any dud can tackle (McMahon excluded).
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So does that mean that every single CEO at AFL clubs needs to have AFL list management experience? I'm sorry, but that's just ridiculous. There is a set amount of the TPP that we must pay and the average senior AFL player salary is around $250k per year. The contract McMahon received would have been one negotiated between the list manager of the time and McMahon's manager. Wright may sign the cheques, but he isn't the one making that decision.
I'm sorry but I've never heard of any CEO at any club interfering with football department decisions, they are business men.
CEOs aren't meant to be micro-managers, they can't be expected to negotiate every single salary at an entity the size of an AFL football cub. A good manager delegates and in this instance, the roles were delegated to people who were already at the club when Wright took over the position.
That may be true but i cant see one Benny Gale not getting involved if he was asked to sign that cheque over
I rank that as one of the worst decisions by the club in the last 30 years.
best decision the club has made in 30 years is hire Benny Gale. I personally hopwe he does get involved more than Wright. we need all the help we can get
Look I agree 100% that the Sanchez trade was by far the worst player trade this club has done in probably over a decade, one of the all time howlers, I also never wanted it to happen, but blame Wallace & Miller, not Wright.
I'm sorry but I disagree about Gale interferring too. If the CEO feels that he needs to interfere then it just highlights that the people he has in charge of that department aren't the right people. The board and president should be the ones who control the football department, leave the CEO to run the business side of the club. If you have it any other way then you always need the best football person to be the CEO, not the best businessman.
Not even going to bother
Translates to "I've got nothing"
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So does that mean that every single CEO at AFL clubs needs to have AFL list management experience? I'm sorry, but that's just ridiculous. There is a set amount of the TPP that we must pay and the average senior AFL player salary is around $250k per year. The contract McMahon received would have been one negotiated between the list manager of the time and McMahon's manager. Wright may sign the cheques, but he isn't the one making that decision.
I'm sorry but I've never heard of any CEO at any club interfering with football department decisions, they are business men.
CEOs aren't meant to be micro-managers, they can't be expected to negotiate every single salary at an entity the size of an AFL football cub. A good manager delegates and in this instance, the roles were delegated to people who were already at the club when Wright took over the position.
That may be true but i cant see one Benny Gale not getting involved if he was asked to sign that cheque over
I rank that as one of the worst decisions by the club in the last 30 years.
best decision the club has made in 30 years is hire Benny Gale. I personally hopwe he does get involved more than Wright. we need all the help we can get
Look I agree 100% that the Sanchez trade was by far the worst player trade this club has done in probably over a decade, one of the all time howlers, I also never wanted it to happen, but blame Wallace & Miller, not Wright.
I'm sorry but I disagree about Gale interferring too. If the CEO feels that he needs to interfere then it just highlights that the people he has in charge of that department aren't the right people. The board and president should be the ones who control the football department, leave the CEO to run the business side of the club. If you have it any other way then you always need the best football person to be the CEO, not the best businessman.
Not even going to bother
Translates to "I've got nothing"
LOl. why try and explain to a nuffer what the problems at Punt Rd are ?
We you beleive that everyone is doing a great job down there.
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I am trying to stay positive about the list, we just need someone to get the best from it week in, week out.
St. Kilda gave me hope last week, the 7-8 guys missing last week would get a game in any team, they brought in a lot of inexperienced players, but because they have been coached well, they slot straight in and get a win over the Hawks. They had 115 tackles for the game!!
Any dud can tackle (McMahon excluded).
let me ask you this wayne.
if Malthouse, Lethal or Rocket were the coach do you think players would still refuse to lay tackles, block and shepherd for each other. I dont think so..
you know whats sad i only cuz shepherd today on the members win, in fact he is the only i see it do week in week out
we have had too many soft coc.ks run this club now time for a coach with gonads that these pussy's are scared of
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So does that mean that every single CEO at AFL clubs needs to have AFL list management experience? I'm sorry, but that's just ridiculous. There is a set amount of the TPP that we must pay and the average senior AFL player salary is around $250k per year. The contract McMahon received would have been one negotiated between the list manager of the time and McMahon's manager. Wright may sign the cheques, but he isn't the one making that decision.
I'm sorry but I've never heard of any CEO at any club interfering with football department decisions, they are business men.
CEOs aren't meant to be micro-managers, they can't be expected to negotiate every single salary at an entity the size of an AFL football cub. A good manager delegates and in this instance, the roles were delegated to people who were already at the club when Wright took over the position.
That may be true but i cant see one Benny Gale not getting involved if he was asked to sign that cheque over
I rank that as one of the worst decisions by the club in the last 30 years.
best decision the club has made in 30 years is hire Benny Gale. I personally hopwe he does get involved more than Wright. we need all the help we can get
Look I agree 100% that the Sanchez trade was by far the worst player trade this club has done in probably over a decade, one of the all time howlers, I also never wanted it to happen, but blame Wallace & Miller, not Wright.
I'm sorry but I disagree about Gale interferring too. If the CEO feels that he needs to interfere then it just highlights that the people he has in charge of that department aren't the right people. The board and president should be the ones who control the football department, leave the CEO to run the business side of the club. If you have it any other way then you always need the best football person to be the CEO, not the best businessman.
Not even going to bother
Translates to "I've got nothing"
LOl. why try and explain to a nuffer what the problems at Punt Rd are ?
We you beleive that everyone is doing a great job down there.
I realise that there are problems at punt road
A CEO who doesn't interfere with the football department but pulls in regular million dollar profits is not one of them
I know you like to find your target and just rip in to them until they go, not sure how Wright got on your agenda, perhaps cause theres not many others left to target. Regardless, Wright is only stepping aside due to his health and is remaining on at the RFC in a consultency role.
You are a bigger problem to the RFC than Wright ever will be
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So does that mean that every single CEO at AFL clubs needs to have AFL list management experience? I'm sorry, but that's just ridiculous. There is a set amount of the TPP that we must pay and the average senior AFL player salary is around $250k per year. The contract McMahon received would have been one negotiated between the list manager of the time and McMahon's manager. Wright may sign the cheques, but he isn't the one making that decision.
I'm sorry but I've never heard of any CEO at any club interfering with football department decisions, they are business men.
CEOs aren't meant to be micro-managers, they can't be expected to negotiate every single salary at an entity the size of an AFL football cub. A good manager delegates and in this instance, the roles were delegated to people who were already at the club when Wright took over the position.
That may be true but i cant see one Benny Gale not getting involved if he was asked to sign that cheque over
I rank that as one of the worst decisions by the club in the last 30 years.
best decision the club has made in 30 years is hire Benny Gale. I personally hopwe he does get involved more than Wright. we need all the help we can get
Look I agree 100% that the Sanchez trade was by far the worst player trade this club has done in probably over a decade, one of the all time howlers, I also never wanted it to happen, but blame Wallace & Miller, not Wright.
I'm sorry but I disagree about Gale interferring too. If the CEO feels that he needs to interfere then it just highlights that the people he has in charge of that department aren't the right people. The board and president should be the ones who control the football department, leave the CEO to run the business side of the club. If you have it any other way then you always need the best football person to be the CEO, not the best businessman.
Not even going to bother
Translates to "I've got nothing"
LOl. why try and explain to a nuffer what the problems at Punt Rd are ?
We you beleive that everyone is doing a great job down there.
I realise that there are problems at punt road
A CEO who doesn't interfere with the football department but pulls in regular million dollar profits is not one of them
I know you like to find your target and just rip in to them until they go, not sure how Wright got on your agenda, perhaps cause theres not many others left to target. Regardless, Wright is only stepping aside due to his health and is remaining on at the RFC in a consultency role.
You are a bigger problem to the RFC than Wright ever will be
Is that right :lol
Could say something but wont ;)
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need to be 10 changes to primary list and 6 new rookies...with a new coach and asst...new ceo and seemingly new prez...thats what I call a new era :pray
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So does that mean that every single CEO at AFL clubs needs to have AFL list management experience? I'm sorry, but that's just ridiculous. There is a set amount of the TPP that we must pay and the average senior AFL player salary is around $250k per year. The contract McMahon received would have been one negotiated between the list manager of the time and McMahon's manager. Wright may sign the cheques, but he isn't the one making that decision.
I'm sorry but I've never heard of any CEO at any club interfering with football department decisions, they are business men.
CEOs aren't meant to be micro-managers, they can't be expected to negotiate every single salary at an entity the size of an AFL football cub. A good manager delegates and in this instance, the roles were delegated to people who were already at the club when Wright took over the position.
That may be true but i cant see one Benny Gale not getting involved if he was asked to sign that cheque over
I rank that as one of the worst decisions by the club in the last 30 years.
best decision the club has made in 30 years is hire Benny Gale. I personally hopwe he does get involved more than Wright. we need all the help we can get
Look I agree 100% that the Sanchez trade was by far the worst player trade this club has done in probably over a decade, one of the all time howlers, I also never wanted it to happen, but blame Wallace & Miller, not Wright.
I'm sorry but I disagree about Gale interferring too. If the CEO feels that he needs to interfere then it just highlights that the people he has in charge of that department aren't the right people. The board and president should be the ones who control the football department, leave the CEO to run the business side of the club. If you have it any other way then you always need the best football person to be the CEO, not the best businessman.
Not even going to bother
Translates to "I've got nothing"
LOl. why try and explain to a nuffer what the problems at Punt Rd are ?
We you beleive that everyone is doing a great job down there.
I realise that there are problems at punt road
A CEO who doesn't interfere with the football department but pulls in regular million dollar profits is not one of them
I know you like to find your target and just rip in to them until they go, not sure how Wright got on your agenda, perhaps cause theres not many others left to target. Regardless, Wright is only stepping aside due to his health and is remaining on at the RFC in a consultency role.
You are a bigger problem to the RFC than Wright ever will be
Is that right :lol
Could say something but wont ;)
Never stopped you before, in fact I didn't know anything could
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So does that mean that every single CEO at AFL clubs needs to have AFL list management experience? I'm sorry, but that's just ridiculous. There is a set amount of the TPP that we must pay and the average senior AFL player salary is around $250k per year. The contract McMahon received would have been one negotiated between the list manager of the time and McMahon's manager. Wright may sign the cheques, but he isn't the one making that decision.
I'm sorry but I've never heard of any CEO at any club interfering with football department decisions, they are business men.
CEOs aren't meant to be micro-managers, they can't be expected to negotiate every single salary at an entity the size of an AFL football cub. A good manager delegates and in this instance, the roles were delegated to people who were already at the club when Wright took over the position.
That may be true but i cant see one Benny Gale not getting involved if he was asked to sign that cheque over
I rank that as one of the worst decisions by the club in the last 30 years.
best decision the club has made in 30 years is hire Benny Gale. I personally hopwe he does get involved more than Wright. we need all the help we can get
Look I agree 100% that the Sanchez trade was by far the worst player trade this club has done in probably over a decade, one of the all time howlers, I also never wanted it to happen, but blame Wallace & Miller, not Wright.
I'm sorry but I disagree about Gale interferring too. If the CEO feels that he needs to interfere then it just highlights that the people he has in charge of that department aren't the right people. The board and president should be the ones who control the football department, leave the CEO to run the business side of the club. If you have it any other way then you always need the best football person to be the CEO, not the best businessman.
Not even going to bother
Translates to "I've got nothing"
LOl. why try and explain to a nuffer what the problems at Punt Rd are ?
We you beleive that everyone is doing a great job down there.
I realise that there are problems at punt road
A CEO who doesn't interfere with the football department but pulls in regular million dollar profits is not one of them
I know you like to find your target and just rip in to them until they go, not sure how Wright got on your agenda, perhaps cause theres not many others left to target. Regardless, Wright is only stepping aside due to his health and is remaining on at the RFC in a consultency role.
You are a bigger problem to the RFC than Wright ever will be
Is that right :lol
Could say something but wont ;)
Never stopped you before, in fact I didn't know anything could
;) Am just watching the replay on Foxtel, and you think people at this club are doing a good job :lol :lol
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need to be 10 changes to primary list and 6 new rookies
Yep we need to cut hard.
Buckley mentioned this on the radio after the game. You need to swing the broom hard and turnover the list quickly to inact real change. Malthouse got rid of 12 when he arrived, then 10 the following year and about 8 the next. So in 2 years 75% of the list had been turned over. Bomber Thomson did something similar at Geelong. It's going to be harder to make cuts with the new teams hogging the early picks for 3 years but still if you finish bottom 2 of the ladder you'll still get a top 6 pick. If March and Cameron think we only have 12 potential premiership players on our list then there's no excuse not to follow the same path of cutting hard and quickly under the new coach now, 2010 and 2011.
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Some players on this list are sh1te. I have mentioned them before.
Some players are okay. I have mentioned them before.
Some players do not deserve to play AFL footy anywhere yet they find their way to Punt Rd. We all know who they are.
I think the list assessment in the first couple of posts on this thread have been very good.
Despite all this I feel that those that remain given an environment of nurturement and discipline can be a competitive outfit.
Unfortunantely the way things have gone since half time in the 1982 GF the last point I have mentioned may come back to haunt me.
Richmond need a priest to exorcise all the demons down there.
A psycho analyst to perform hypnosis to get into the remaining players minds that they can succeed at this club. Possibly utilize Tambling's hypnitist.
A coach with balls who will rule with an iron fist.
The clubs problem are not inherent only to a underperforming playing list.
Off field stability and quality of personnel count too.
Without Cuz this year we would have made a couple of hundred thousand and that's it not 2 million or so. What are we going to do next year? Maybe the right coaching appointment might help us get some new members at the expense of some who will drop off having had enough. What of 2011 if we finish 6-16 next year give or take a few games. Back to 30000 members again and 1 token finals appearance a decade?
This clubs problems are more than skin deep and if we can't get the off field right then the on field will never have any consistency about it and we will struggle 90% of the time in the bottom half of the ladder. List assessments although good and accurate only reflect a small % of the club in total as a whole. When we are looking to offload our garbage to someone else or delist at least 30% of our list then that is a poor reflection of those who have been in charge.
Change needs to happen on and off the field before we go down the path like Fitzroy and end up merging with some interstate club or relocating to Tassie or Canberra or poo Creek in the next 10-20 years. Does noone have any pride or shame at Punt Rd???
On and off the field. That's the question I want to ask.
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Caro, Walls and Tony Shaw were discussing Richmond just after midday today. They have 17 gone just off the top of their heads.
Retirees: Bowden, Brown, Johnson, Simmonds, Pettifer, Polak, Coughlan
Others to offload/delist: King, Hislop, McMahon, Hughes, JON, Schulz, Pattison, Thompson, Tuck (too slow) and possibly Polo (didn't mind him but makes a lot of mistakes)
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Caro, Walls and Tony Shaw were discussing Richmond just after midday today. They have 17 gone just off the top of their heads.
Retirees: Bowden, Brown, Johnson, Simmonds, Pettifer, Polak, Coughlan
Others to offload/delist: King, Hislop, McMahon, Hughes, JON, Schulz, Pattison, Thompson, Tuck (too slow) and possibly Polo (didn't mind him but makes a lot of mistakes)
Agree with all but King and Polo, both are not champions but both have a go. We need people who are not scared to get their hands dirty and tackle. Both should be in our last 5 picked not our first 5.
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Polo is probably the only one you would consider perservering with out of that lot. Unfortunately due to contracts and not being able to make 16 changes in one off-season some of those who should get the stuff will survive into 2010 :P.
King is just a 2009 version of Tim Fleming or Andy Goodwin. Yeah they have a go and don't mind the biff but it doesn't deter from them being utter dud footballers who don't belong in the AFL.
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Funny that King's disposal efficiency was by far the best of the entire side against the Pies
Only had one ineffective
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You can't lose 17 players in one go, Polo will survive, Tuck will if he can't be traded and King might have done enough to stay on for the rest of his contract.
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this is mine, not sure about the contracts ...
stay/delist/trade/gone
2. Will Thursfield - stay
3. Brett Deledio - stay
4. Andrew Raines - stay
5. Troy Simmonds - delist
6. Graham Polak - trade/delist
7. Nathan Brown - delist
8. Jack Riewoldt - stay
9. Trent Cotchin - stay
10. Shane Edwards - trade/delist
11. Joel Bowden - gone
12. Matthew Richardson - stay
13. Jordan McMahon - trade/delist
14. Dean Polo - stay
15. Kayne Pettifer - trade/delist
16. Luke McGuane - stay
17. Chris Newman - stay
18. Alex Rance - stay
19. Dean Putt - trade/delist
20. Mitch Morton - stay
21. Shane Tuck - trade/delist
22. Jarryd Oakley-Nicholls - trade/delist
23. Daniel Jackson - stay
24. Mark Coughlan - delist
25. Jay Schulz - trade/stay
26. Adam Pattison - trade/stay
27. Tom Hislop - trade/delist
28. Kane Johnson - gone
29. Tyrone Vickery - stay
30. Richard Tambling - stay
31. Adam Thomson - stay
32. Ben Cousins - stay
33. David Gourdis - stay
34. Cleve Hughes - trade/stay
35. Matthew White - stay
36. Jarrod Silvester - delist
37. Jayden Post - stay
38. Robin Nahas - stay
39. Daniel Connors - trade/delist
40. Kelvin Moore - stay
41. Nathan Foley - stay
42. Andrew Collins - stay
43. Andrew Browne - stay
44. Angus Graham - stay
45. Alroy Gilligan - stay
46. Jake King - stay
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Polo is probably the only one you would consider perservering with out of that lot. Unfortunately due to contracts and not being able to make 16 changes in one off-season some of those who should get the stuff will survive into 2010 :P.
King is just a 2009 version of Tim Fleming or Andy Goodwin. Yeah they have a go and don't mind the biff but it doesn't deter from them being utter dud footballers who don't belong in the AFL.
Plenty of average players/taggers in the AFL that have helped their teams win games. (Baker, Jones fom the saints, O'Bree, Ablett from Sydney) Not every player in your side needs to be a Rolls Royce, you need some grunt!
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Funny that King's disposal efficiency was by far the best of the entire side against the Pies
Only had one ineffective
His job yesterday was to tag Didak who had 30 possies and kicked 2 goals. All Malthouse had to do was push Didak forward and Kingy was no match. While Richmond believes Kingy types belong on our list then we remain a bottom side. He should have been lucky to survive last year yet the Club gives him a 2-year contract ??? and then he spent 10 weeks in the VFL this year until Rawlings brought him back as part of playing the whole list. At 25 if you're not a certain best 22 AFL standard footballer then it should be good-bye. Playing one or two decent games a year doesn't cut it. Kingy not the only one in that boat mind you.
Craig Cameron has some big list decisions coming up to prove his worth. If he repeats the list management stuff ups of October/November last year then he should go as well.
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Plenty of average players/taggers in the AFL that have helped their teams win games. (Baker, Jones fom the saints, O'Bree, Ablett from Sydney) Not every player in your side needs to be a Rolls Royce, you need some grunt!
Yeah its OK in very good sides but you can't carry them when your skill levels across the board need improving. Some clubs can carry an average hard nut with little footy smarts, we cannot. He'll be saved because we have a terrible list and he has an undeservedly bad reputation for his kicking (there is plenty of competition from his teammates for the worst kick award) and no-one will give us anything for him.
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Funny that King's disposal efficiency was by far the best of the entire side against the Pies
Only had one ineffective
His job yesterday was to tag Didak who had 30 possies and kicked 2 goals. All Malthouse had to do was push Didak forward and Kingy was no match. While Richmond believes Kingy types belong on our list then we remain a bottom side. He should have been lucky to survive last year yet the Club gives him a 2-year contract ??? and then he spent 10 weeks in the VFL this year until Rawlings brought him back as part of playing the whole list. At 25 if you're not a certain best 22 AFL standard footballer then it should be good-bye. Playing one or two decent games a year doesn't cut it. Kingy not the only one in that boat mind you.
Craig Cameron has some big list decisions coming up to prove his worth. If he repeats the list management stuff ups of October/November last year then he should go as well.
King had a complete ankle reconstruction over the preseason, it's not surprising that he took some time getting back into the senior side
I agree he's not part of a premiership side, however theres definitely a spot on the list for him next season, he's been the only player other than Richo & Cousins who doesn't stop trying all game
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Polo is probably the only one you would consider perservering with out of that lot. Unfortunately due to contracts and not being able to make 16 changes in one off-season some of those who should get the stuff will survive into 2010 :P.
King is just a 2009 version of Tim Fleming or Andy Goodwin. Yeah they have a go and don't mind the biff but it doesn't deter from them being utter dud footballers who don't belong in the AFL.
Plenty of average players/taggers in the AFL that have helped their teams win games. (Baker, Jones fom the saints, O'Bree, Ablett from Sydney) Not every player in your side needs to be a Rolls Royce, you need some grunt!
Those players aren't too small for AFL either. Kingy has too many deficiencies to be in the AFL.
Ablett 184cm 91kg
O'Bree 180cm 83kg
Baker 179cm 87kg
King 174cm 74kg
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Funny that King's disposal efficiency was by far the best of the entire side against the Pies
Only had one ineffective
His job yesterday was to tag Didak who had 30 possies and kicked 2 goals. All Malthouse had to do was push Didak forward and Kingy was no match. While Richmond believes Kingy types belong on our list then we remain a bottom side. He should have been lucky to survive last year yet the Club gives him a 2-year contract ??? and then he spent 10 weeks in the VFL this year until Rawlings brought him back as part of playing the whole list. At 25 if you're not a certain best 22 AFL standard footballer then it should be good-bye. Playing one or two decent games a year doesn't cut it. Kingy not the only one in that boat mind you.
Craig Cameron has some big list decisions coming up to prove his worth. If he repeats the list management stuff ups of October/November last year then he should go as well.
King had a complete ankle reconstruction over the preseason, it's not surprising that he took some time getting back into the senior side
I agree he's not part of a premiership side, however theres definitely a spot on the list for him next season, he's been the only player other than Richo & Cousins who doesn't stop trying all game
But Richo and Cousins back up trying their all with A-grade AFL talent over their entire career. That's why they have been champions. Kingy is VFL standard and was before his ankle injury. We don't need VFL triers taking up spots on our list. They are simple list cloggers. Now you're right Infamy that Kingy will most likely get a spot on our list in 2010 but only because he's contracted :P. However if another club was interested in him I would trade him.
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A coach with balls who will rule with an iron fist.
The clubs problem are not inherent only to a underperforming playing list.
Interesting comments Tucker
While I sat there yesterday the one thing I couldn't ge tout of my head was based on yesterday's "effort" it wouldn't matter who the coach was it would not have made one iota of difference.
Yet again outside Cus there was no leadership, no pride, just a vast majority running around playing for themselves
The biggest problem I see at Richmond is the fact our players don't play for each other, when you are winnging it can be hidden but when things turn to crap you cannot hide it. Whether people want to admit it or not it is in part an individual mindset and at our "team" doesn't have it because individuals are far to selfish to want to change
And when it is all said and done it doesn't matter who the coach is until that basic fundamental of playing team sport changes changes then we will continue to be bottom four side
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A coach with balls who will rule with an iron fist.
The clubs problem are not inherent only to a underperforming playing list.
Interesting comments Tucker
While I sat there yesterday the one thing I couldn't ge tout of my head was based on yesterday's "effort" it wouldn't matter who the coach was it would not have made one iota of difference.
Yet again outside Cus there was no leadership, no pride, just a vast majority running around playing for themselves
The biggest problem I see at Richmond is the fact our players don't play for each other, when you are winnging it can be hidden but when things turn to crap you cannot hide it. Whether people want to admit it or not it is in part an individual mindset and at our "team" doesn't have it because individuals are far to selfish to want to change
And when it is all said and done it doesn't matter who the coach is until that basic fundamental of playing team sport changes changes then we will continue to be bottom four side
Correct
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Which brings me to our list.... my orginal thoughts were 7-9 changes, now I'd be looking at 10-12
I would hope that yesterday also turns out to be a farewell games for a couple of others :banghead
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Which brings me to our list.... my orginal thoughts were 7-9 changes, now I'd be looking at 10-12
I would hope that yesterday also turns out to be a farewell games for a couple of others :banghead
Naf will have his next week,
Wouldnt waste the airfare sending to Perth last game :banghead
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Funny that King's disposal efficiency was by far the best of the entire side against the Pies
Only had one ineffective
His job yesterday was to tag Didak who had 30 possies and kicked 2 goals. All Malthouse had to do was push Didak forward and Kingy was no match. While Richmond believes Kingy types belong on our list then we remain a bottom side. He should have been lucky to survive last year yet the Club gives him a 2-year contract ??? and then he spent 10 weeks in the VFL this year until Rawlings brought him back as part of playing the whole list. At 25 if you're not a certain best 22 AFL standard footballer then it should be good-bye. Playing one or two decent games a year doesn't cut it. Kingy not the only one in that boat mind you.
Craig Cameron has some big list decisions coming up to prove his worth. If he repeats the list management stuff ups of October/November last year then he should go as well.
King had a complete ankle reconstruction over the preseason, it's not surprising that he took some time getting back into the senior side
I agree he's not part of a premiership side, however theres definitely a spot on the list for him next season, he's been the only player other than Richo & Cousins who doesn't stop trying all game
But Richo and Cousins back up trying their all with A-grade AFL talent over their entire career. That's why they have been champions. Kingy is VFL standard and was before his ankle injury. We don't need VFL triers taking up spots on our list. They are simple list cloggers. Now you're right Infamy that Kingy will most likely get a spot on our list in 2010 but only because he's contracted :P. However if another club was interested in him I would trade him.
Not every player can be as good as Richo & Cousins, it would be nice if all our players were. I really don't understand some of what can only be called hatred towards King. He may not be the most skilled player out there but he busts his ass out there for the RFC and I think its sad that people still have him at the top of their lists to get rid of. He's shown something as a tagger since mid-season, to the point now that there are easily 10 players that need to go before he does.
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Not every player can be as good as Richo & Cousins, it would be nice if all our players were. I really don't understand some of what can only be called hatred towards King. He may not be the most skilled player out there but he busts his ass out there for the RFC and I think its sad that people still have him at the top of their lists to get rid of. He's shown something as a tagger since mid-season, to the point now that there are easily 10 players that need to go before he does.
Agree
There is one reason you'd keep Jake King and that is because he plays for his team mates (even those who don't deserve it), for the jumper and with pride and passion
We need to keep those types if only for a couple of seasons until that becomes the norm for everyone not just the Jake Kings of the world
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he does need to control his aggression somewhat.
There are a few Robbie Muir's out there still ;D
Tribunal will make a example out of him this week.
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he does need to control his aggression somewhat.
There are a few Robbie Muir's out there still ;D
Tribunal will make a example out of him this week.
Not sure how, theres no footage of the incident, he was the one getting mauled by multiple pies players in the melee too
Theres footage of Didak hitting King in the back though, if all King did was punch Didak in the guts and theres no footage then he wont get much
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Not sure how, theres no footage of the incident, he was the one getting mauled by multiple pies players in the melee too
Theres footage of Didak hitting King in the back though, if all King did was punch Didak in the guts and theres no footage then he wont get much
There is the Eddie factor though, some bleating coming out of his fat chops is sure to surface in the media
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he does need to control his aggression somewhat.
There are a few Robbie Muir's out there still ;D
Tribunal will make a example out of him this week.
Not sure how, theres no footage of the incident, he was the one getting mauled by multiple pies players in the melee too
Theres footage of Didak hitting King in the back though, if all King did was punch Didak in the guts and theres no footage then he wont get much
Think you better watch more football ;D the incident was caught in plain view of the camera's.
his gawn rest of season with Hislop :lol
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At the time I posted the comment there hadn't been any shown
The only vision was pretty blurry and distant, given Didak's history of faking, its inconclusive
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At the time I posted the comment there hadn't been any shown
The only vision was pretty blurry and distant, given Didak's history of faking, its inconclusive
seen footage tonight.
Shows Didak patting King on the head,.
King turns around and punches him in the guts.
When Didak was on ground, he was spewing up.
Evidence very conclusive
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I've seen the same footage, at the time of my original post there was none
You're exagerating a little too, it was enough to suspend him, however the vision is still inconclusive
Didak was felled, but that's it
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I've seen the same footage, at the time of my original post there was none
You're exagerating a little too, it was enough to suspend him, however the vision is still inconclusive
Didak was felled, but that's it
Someone got a spare pair of glasses :banghead
The vision on ""on the couch"" was very conclusive.
Open your eyes will you
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I'm sorry but I have perfect vision
The camera was from behind the goals on the OTHER SIDE of the ground
While you can see the strike and Didak going down, there is no way possible you can know the true impact of the hit
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I agree with Infamy. King should stay. Wont ever take a backwards step whilst he wears the jumper, nor will he sit there watching while his teammate is raped in front of him by 4 black and white maggots.
See ya later Bowden.
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There is not much genuine quality on the list at the moment to get too excited about 2010.
Cousins
Cotchin
Deledio
Foley
Tambling
Old man Richo
Thats about it....I hope Jack can make the quantum leap his cousin did in his 4th year and kick 50+ goals.
Vickery and Post might be stars come 2012
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There is not much genuine quality on the list at the moment to get too excited about 2010.
Cousins
Cotchin
Deledio
Foley
Tambling
Old man Richo
Thats about it....I hope Jack can make the quantum leap his cousin did in his 4th year and kick 50+ goals.
Vickery and Post might be stars come 2012
Yep it's scary isn't it.
This year has been a real eye opener to where our list is at, thanks mainly to Cuz showing what a real classy footballer does. Cuz will be gone in a couple of years, Lids is progressing well, but with the others you have mentioned they still need a big quantum leap in their games IMO.
The rest on our list are either good serviceable players or just not up to AFL (unfortunately there are too many in this category)
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Is it just me OR does
Mcguane
Thursfield
Moore
Rance
Silvester
All seem to be "cut from the same cloth".(reliable & honest but limited)
Do we need really need all 5 on the list next year ? There has to be a potential trade somewhere....
What would Moore be worth at the trade table ?
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as long as Rance is not the one to leave
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Tony Shaw on Foxsports:
"Richmond have 18 players that need to retire or move on. They have blokes who just aren't good enough to play at senior level."
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,25958354-23209,00.html
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Tony Shaw on Foxsports:
"Richmond have 18 players that need to retire or move on. They have blokes who just aren't good enough to play at senior level."
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,25958354-23209,00.html
And Foxtel have a number of commentators that need to retire or move on. They have blokes who just aren't good enough to commentate at senior level.
:wallywink
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I don't think the system allows for 18 changes in a single year Tony :wallywink. 12 is a more realistic number (including rookies) but that all depends of how many and what type of draft picks we end up with. No point offloading 18 players and then using picks 80,81,82,83,84 and 85 to replace the last 6 of them. You need most of your picks at the top end of the draft where most of the quality kids are. A priority pick would've been handy but we've been down that discussion path in other threads :-\.
Funny that King's disposal efficiency was by far the best of the entire side against the Pies
Only had one ineffective
His job yesterday was to tag Didak who had 30 possies and kicked 2 goals. All Malthouse had to do was push Didak forward and Kingy was no match. While Richmond believes Kingy types belong on our list then we remain a bottom side. He should have been lucky to survive last year yet the Club gives him a 2-year contract ??? and then he spent 10 weeks in the VFL this year until Rawlings brought him back as part of playing the whole list. At 25 if you're not a certain best 22 AFL standard footballer then it should be good-bye. Playing one or two decent games a year doesn't cut it. Kingy not the only one in that boat mind you.
Craig Cameron has some big list decisions coming up to prove his worth. If he repeats the list management stuff ups of October/November last year then he should go as well.
King had a complete ankle reconstruction over the preseason, it's not surprising that he took some time getting back into the senior side
I agree he's not part of a premiership side, however theres definitely a spot on the list for him next season, he's been the only player other than Richo & Cousins who doesn't stop trying all game
But Richo and Cousins back up trying their all with A-grade AFL talent over their entire career. That's why they have been champions. Kingy is VFL standard and was before his ankle injury. We don't need VFL triers taking up spots on our list. They are simple list cloggers. Now you're right Infamy that Kingy will most likely get a spot on our list in 2010 but only because he's contracted :P. However if another club was interested in him I would trade him.
Not every player can be as good as Richo & Cousins, it would be nice if all our players were. I really don't understand some of what can only be called hatred towards King. He may not be the most skilled player out there but he busts his ass out there for the RFC and I think its sad that people still have him at the top of their lists to get rid of. He's shown something as a tagger since mid-season, to the point now that there are easily 10 players that need to go before he does.
I don't hate Kingy personally. I just don't rate him as an AFL standard footballer that is part of our future. There's a difference between hating and not rating. Just like JON. He's one of the friendliest players you'll ever meet and he always has time to talk to supporters. Too bad he can't play footy at this level and should never have been a top 10 pick :P. We all know deep down these threads are about people's lives, careers and futures but the reality is that decisions on who stays and goes need to be made for the Club to eventually get out of the mire it is in. Some of those decisions will be harsh but necessary.
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Its amazing how many wooden spoon coaches are in the media offering "expert comments"
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Not to mention all the former Richmond coaches :P. They say coaching Richmond is a poor career choice. Well it hasn't been in the past 20 years for our last four coaches as well as KB. Four are cemented in the media and the other is umpires coach. The media must have a loose definition of the word "expert".
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Is it just me OR does
Mcguane
Thursfield
Moore
Rance
Silvester
All seem to be "cut from the same cloth".(reliable & honest but limited)
Do we need really need all 5 on the list next year ? There has to be a potential trade somewhere....
What would Moore be worth at the trade table ?
Silvester is a rookie. He either has to be promoted to the senior list next year or delisted.
I would say one of the main issues with the list is not so much with our talls (many of who are still young) but that we have too many lightly framed smalls in the one side. Especially when they are played in the defensive third of the ground. It's not just a "live in the gym and eat stacks of protein" solution either. Hard to turn sub 6 footers weighing mid 70kgs into contested ballwinners. Too easily knocked off the ball in dispute or crunched when they have it in traffic because they don't have the size and strength to stand up in a tackle. Probably more the type in excess we should be looking to trade away.
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Is it just me OR does
Mcguane
Thursfield
Moore
Rance
Silvester
All seem to be "cut from the same cloth".(reliable & honest but limited)
Do we need really need all 5 on the list next year ? There has to be a potential trade somewhere....
What would Moore be worth at the trade table ?
Silvester is a rookie. He either has to be promoted to the senior list next year or delisted.
I would say one of the main issues with the list is not so much with our talls (many of who are still young) but that we have too many lightly framed smalls in the one side. Especially when they are played in the defensive third of the ground. It's not just a "live in the gym and eat stacks of protein" solution either. Hard to turn sub 6 footers weighing mid 70kgs into contested ballwinners. Too easily knocked off the ball in dispute or crunched when they have it in traffic because they don't have the size and strength to stand up in a tackle. Probably more the type in excess we should be looking to trade away.
Correct. to have Edwards and McMahon laying tackles in D 50 is near non existent
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tackling :rollin McMahon was smashed over front on several times last night :rollin
he is the worst footballer l have ever seen in my life. :banghead
l reckon the tackle bag would beat that idiot up fair dinkum his the biggest joke in the AFL
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tackling :rollin McMahon was smashed over front on several times last night :rollin
he is the worst footballer l have ever seen in my life. :banghead
l reckon the tackle bag would beat that effer up fair dinkum his the biggest joke in the AFL
I seen a first last night.
I reckon McMahon thought he saw ""witches hats "' in front of him, and he actually try to dodge one of them, otherwise I cannot explain what he was doing. :banghead
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I think we are lucky to have those wins and this putting us in a higher position on the ladder than we really should be.
In saying this without thise we really should be the wooden spooner's. Not that I want that but this is how we are playing.
So this put our list as a head case.
And we need someone strong minded to knock that crap out of our list.
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Is it just me OR does
Silvester is a rookie. He either has to be promoted to the senior list next year or delisted.
Correct. to have Edwards and McMahon laying tackles in D 50 is near non existent
Edwards slowly becoming one of the worst footballers on our list.
wouldn't get a game at Oakleigh Charges with those weak tackles and defensive pressure he shows. he is weak as pee.
what makes me laugh is Davis smashed him last week to the tune of 4 goals yet some on here who have no idea about Football say Edwards played a better game. :banghead Sadly i think the Match commitee think the same way.
Edwards to be traded. i have no doubt we will get something for him. maybe a 3rd or 4th rounder
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Tell you who I would trade.
Daniel Jackson.
He will win the B & F and have some value,
With Foley ,collins and Cotchin back next year.
Jackson is the one,
His turnovers last night killed us.
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Disagree with letting Jackson go.
He is a futrue leader I think and to throw the baby out with the bath water would just be another kick in the backside to us all.
Yes I like him a lot and think he has more than a future with us.
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Tell you who I would trade.
Daniel Jackson.
He will win the B & F and have some value,
With Foley ,collins and Cotchin back next year.
Jackson is the one,
His turnovers last night killed us.
na mate then your trading mongrel out of the side. His one of only a handful of players who mount a fight.
loved it when he came in a shoved Franklin to the ground. Franklin looked up very suprised ;D
The whole lot just need to be taken back to basics & pushed back to spewing up & make them remember how hard they worked to be drafted
Train them to the point again of learning how to contain their spew under preasure :lol back to training camp ;D
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Daniel Jackson is an average player. I would trade. Agree with Jacko here.
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Tell you who I would trade.
Daniel Jackson.
He will win the B & F and have some value,
With Foley ,collins and Cotchin back next year.
Jackson is the one,
His turnovers last night killed us.
na mate then your trading mongrel out of the side. His one of only a handful of players who mount a fight.
loved it when he came in a shoved Franklin to the ground. Franklin looked up very suprised ;D
The whole lot just need to be taken back to basics & pushed back to spewing up & make them remember how hard they worked to be drafted
Train them to the point again of learning how to contain their spew under preasure :lol back to training camp ;D
Forget about the mongrel
What I WONT forget is he kicking the ball to the opposition on 2 occassions last night in D50.
Make sure you take belongings are out of your locker after next week Daniel, as you wont be doing another pre season at Punt Rd.
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I agree with TigerMonk. Keep Daniel Jackson, you should always keep a player who improves THAT dramatically in one pre-season. It shows he has drive, desire and work ethic to improve. I don't know if decision making or skill consistency can improve, but having a player go from no in the best 22, to possible B&F winner is very rare, and shows the above qualities. For a team that seems to struggle with the mental aspect of AFL football, trading someone off who seems to have a great mental ability is something rare.
Just my 2 cents.
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On another site they reckon Swans want Jackson and Veszpremi could be coming the other way. I would do this trade every day of the week. I consider such trade to be a major win for RFC if it happens. Veszpremi will become a good player imho. A player who will eventually get into a midfield rotation and who can kick goals.
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I agree with TigerMonk. Keep Daniel Jackson, you should always keep a player who improves THAT dramatically in one pre-season. It shows he has drive, desire and work ethic to improve. I don't know if decision making or skill consistency can improve, but having a player go from no in the best 22, to possible B&F winner is very rare, and shows the above qualities. For a team that seems to struggle with the mental aspect of AFL football, trading someone off who seems to have a great mental ability is something rare.
Just my 2 cents.
He is worth some value to trade
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I agree with TigerMonk. Keep Daniel Jackson, you should always keep a player who improves THAT dramatically in one pre-season. It shows he has drive, desire and work ethic to improve. I don't know if decision making or skill consistency can improve, but having a player go from no in the best 22, to possible B&F winner is very rare, and shows the above qualities. For a team that seems to struggle with the mental aspect of AFL football, trading someone off who seems to have a great mental ability is something rare.
Just my 2 cents.
He is worth some value to trade
No doubting that at all. But I look at it this way, you circle the 8-9 first year players around players like Jackson and Cousins (I mean in terms of work ethic, not skill) and I think it sends a better and stronger message. I'm not saying that I think he should be 'untradeable' or that we shouldn't do a trade a season after this one, but as they so mental is to physical as 4 is to 1 in pro-sports, so keep the players with the best mental attitude.
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Daniel Jackson is an average player. I would trade. Agree with Jacko here.
I agree, sure he runs hard but turns the ball over to much- trade if possible.
I haven't felt much at Richmond games lately but i was fuming last night when Jackson turned the ball over so badly.
Thanks but no thanks.
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as if they'll trsde club B&F
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Forget about the mongrel
What I WONT forget is he kicking the ball to the opposition on 2 occassions last night in D50.
Make sure you take belongings are out of your locker after next week Daniel, as you wont be doing another pre season at Punt Rd.
Surely that is the fault of the player but the coach :rollin
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I am a fan of Jacko but he does have poor disposal, I can never see him being an A grade midfielder. With his good year his trade value would be up and he is one player I would be putting out there for hopefully a high pick.
Our midfield core in future years will be Lids, Cotch, Foley, Tambling. Would think we still need two more A grade midfielders in the mix, we will get one this year with pick 3 or 4 but an extra pick in the first round should be our main draft target this year.
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as if they'll trsde club B&F
Lids will win the B&F. Again.
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Chuck do you think tambling will be/is, an A grade midfielder?
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Chuck do you think tambling will be/is, an A grade midfielder?
Is; Definitely Not
Will be; Only hoping, probably more likely to be a HFF or HBF with the ability to play in the midfield. However he has been constantly improving since he started and I dont think he has hit full potential yet so at this stage I cant rule him out of being an A grade midfielder.
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as if they'll trsde club B&F
We traded a club captain and leading goalkicker in 1994, and got a 2 gun players in return.
Broderick and Gale ring a bell
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On another site they reckon Swans want Jackson and Veszpremi could be coming the other way. I would do this trade every day of the week. I consider such trade to be a major win for RFC if it happens. Veszpremi will become a good player imho. A player who will eventually get into a midfield rotation and who can kick goals.
When did Sydney last trade away a good player?
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When did Sydney last trade away a good player?
I cannot remember trade away a good player but they usually trade to get decent players
That's why I reckon Foley for their first round pick is a real option for us
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:lol Thanks for that Jezza! Was a good player at Sydney, was a goose at Brisbane. And is now the Gold Coast's resident media tart. :lol
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not worth a pinch of poo A.T.M. :rollin
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On the news tonight when talking about Hardwick they mentioned we are expecting at least 10 changes to the list.
It's not hard to think of at least 10 names...
Sugar and Joel already gone.
Simmo, Browny, Cogs, Petts, JON, Cleve, Patto
Trade: McMahon :pray, Schulz
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I'd even look at others prior to cutting JON & Hughes, although even JON I'd delist and consider picking up with our last rookie pick. I'd like to see how all our kids play under a new coach with a proper game plan and better discipline/instruction.
We already have older guys like Simmo, Brown, Bowden, Johnson, Pettifer, Schulz, McMahon to go, Coughlan may retire also. That's 8 right there for starters. Then there's younger ones like Patto & Raines before you get to the under 23s. Would like to see us trade one of Tuck, Jackson or Newman as well, but we can't have all of these guys leave in one year.
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On another site they reckon Swans want Jackson and Veszpremi could be coming the other way. I would do this trade every day of the week. I consider such trade to be a major win for RFC if it happens. Veszpremi will become a good player imho. A player who will eventually get into a midfield rotation and who can kick goals.
When did Sydney last trade away a good player?
Schneider?
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On another site they reckon Swans want Jackson and Veszpremi could be coming the other way. I would do this trade every day of the week. I consider such trade to be a major win for RFC if it happens. Veszpremi will become a good player imho. A player who will eventually get into a midfield rotation and who can kick goals.
When did Sydney last trade away a good player?
Schneider?
That was the only one I could come up Jake and he is only an average player in a good side - plenty of his type going around and the Swans, Saints or anyone else for that matter wouldn't miss him if he wasn't on their list.
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On the news tonight when talking about Hardwick they mentioned we are expecting at least 10 changes to the list.
It's not hard to think of at least 10 names...
Sugar and Joel already gone.
Simmo, Browny, Cogs, Petts, JON, Cleve, Patto
Trade: McMahon :pray, Schulz
You could even put Putt into that group, word is he is hopeless, and will not make it. Also heard Gillian (sp?) is no good either but will be given another year on the rookie list. Apparently he is slow, cannot kick and has very average skills, all the things you look for in a small forward. Not!
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Apparently he is slow, cannot kick and has very average skills, all the things you look for in a small forward. Not!
Punch whoever told you that in the mouth for me for spreading rubbish. Thanks.
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When did Sydney last trade away a good player?
I cannot remember trade away a good player but they usually trade to get decent players
That's why I reckon Foley for their first round pick is a real option for us
Did Floey rape your pet goat or what WP, you really wan't him traded don't you and for no reason, Hardwick has already said we have a good midfield and that includes Foley!! He is our best midfielder and has been for a while until a few niggling injuries, just remember he caried this midfield while the likes of Cotch, Lids, Edwards, Jackson and Tuck decided to help and when Cog's was out.
I bet you were not trying to trade him when he made his trade mark runs out of the middle, ran to 40 and slotted it, as he did many times.
Foley is going no ware, I agree with the list Infamy presented but more so MT's as they are all hacks, add maybe Polo and Edwards and that would do me nice.
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On the news tonight when talking about Hardwick they mentioned we are expecting at least 10 changes to the list.
It's not hard to think of at least 10 names...
Sugar and Joel already gone.
Simmo, Browny, Cogs, Petts, JON, Cleve, Patto
Trade: McMahon :pray, Schulz
You could even put Putt into that group, word is he is hopeless, and will not make it. Also heard Gillian (sp?) is no good either but will be given another year on the rookie list. Apparently he is slow, cannot kick and has very average skills, all the things you look for in a small forward. Not!
Well I'd stop listening to whoever's been giving you the "word", its far too soon to make the call on both of those players
Putt was doing well until a knee injury last year, has stagnated a little this year however he's still only in his 2nd year as a ruckman
Gilligan is only in his first year as a rookie and has already cemented his spot in Coburg seniors kicking goals in every match, 5 scoring shots in his first game. His prefered position is back pocket anyway.
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Up sh it creek
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Richmond learns lessons from history
Jon Ralph | August 27, 2009
FIVE years ago new Richmond coach Terry Wallace fronted his first press conference and declared the club would develop its own champions. Not for Richmond the quick fix, but rather the patient, methodical rebuild.
The Tigers surged up the ladder with 21 wins in the next two years and Wallace recruited eight recycled players - Mark Graham, Kent Kingsley, Patrick Bowden, Jordan McMahon, Mitch Morton, Ben Cousins, Adam Thomson and Tom Hislop.
Don't expect Damien Hardwick to make the same errors.
Richmond must recruit via the draft, and it must go backwards before it goes forward. And it will.
Hardwick, who has seen the bottom-out principle at Hawthorn, said yesterday he wanted to win Richmond its 11th premiership.
Richmond's list is not capable of delivering a flag, so as much as supporters want immediate success they will have to wait.
But Hardwick has what no recent Tigers coach has had: a cashed-up football department, a stable administration and time to rebuild the club's list.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25986889-19742,00.html
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Did Floey rape your pet goat or what WP, you really wan't him traded don't you and for no reason, Hardwick has already said we have a good midfield and that includes Foley!! He is our best midfielder and has been for a while until a few niggling injuries, just remember he caried this midfield while the likes of Cotch, Lids, Edwards, Jackson and Tuck decided to help and when Cog's was out.
I bet you were not trying to trade him when he made his trade mark runs out of the middle, ran to 40 and slotted it, as he did many times.
Foley is going no ware, I agree with the list Infamy presented but more so MT's as they are all hacks, add maybe Polo and Edwards and that would do me nice.
I have explained my thoughts as to why I would look at trading Foley
And I will explain it one more time
Reality is to get decent picks you need to trade something decent. Foley is considered by the AFL community to be a good player, so he has currency so he is one of a very few I see on our list that has currency
Our mid field is the storngest part our list. What the last 6-7 weeks has shown without Foley in it is that with the likes of Cousins, Deledio, Cotchin even Jackson he hasn't been missed (IMO) as much as I think he would have been say 12 months ago.
So the question is: would trading Foley do major damage to our mid field stocks if he was traded. Answer for me is no.
Have I forgotten the 40 metre runs and subsequent goals?
No I haven't but I have also noticed that teams have worked him out, he gets caught alot more with the ball and whether you and others want to admit it or not his disposal by foot in particular at times is very poor (granted he isn't alone there). Again my opinion but I don't think he was having that great of a season, actually I thought he was having a failry average season
They are my reasons whether you agree or not, they are still reasons. But seeing they've extended his contract it now a mute point isn't it
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I'd still rather trade Newman & Tuck instead
Both are older players, Newman plays a role that could be filled by a youngster and unless we play Tuck as a forward, I'd rather keep him out of the midfield.
Foley is a brilliant clearance player and we need to make our midfield stronger, getting a kid to take Foleys spot would take 4 years to get him up to Foley's level, if he ever gets there at all. I'd rather add players to our young midfielders than take them away.
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So Infamy if Melbourne came knocking at our door offering pick # 1 for Foley you would knock it back???
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So Infamy if Melbourne came knocking at our door offering pick # 1 for Foley you would knock it back???
Of course not, but how about we try for a realistic hypothetical?
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So Infamy if Melbourne came knocking at our door offering pick # 1 for Foley you would knock it back???
Thats a really clever question
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Richmond learns lessons from history
Jon Ralph | August 27, 2009
Richmond must recruit via the draft, and it must go backwards before it goes forward. And it will.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25986889-19742,00.html
Outsiders, particularly the media, make these type of statements without any knowledge of our playing list and more importantly our weekly team. Our current form and any semblance of success we have had this year has not been on the back of the efforts of our aging senior players or 3rd tier toilers. It has been on the back of our younger players and trialling our recruits.
I find it an ignorant statement to say we will go backwards next year because No 1 we are currently sitting in 15th position, No 2 any delisting/retirements/trades we make will not take away any crucial performers and No 3 if anything we will improve on the back of the development of our younger players, new game plan and coach.
I'm certain we will be no premiership contender next year but to say we will go backwards by culling our list of deadwood is uninformed and ignorant.
Stripes
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So Infamy if Melbourne came knocking at our door offering pick # 1 for Foley you would knock it back???
Of course not, but how about we try for a realistic hypothetical?
My take was that if a North, Sydney or perhaps and Adelaide offered their first round pick (they are late 1st round oicks) for Foley I'd say we would be crazy to knock it back.
Or alternatively if Melbourne offered their 2nd round pick (which will be around 20 odd I think) and a decent young player than I'd be saying we need to look at that too
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Sorry but I don't think a late first rounder is worth it for Foley
He's a state representative midfielder and a known quantity, giving him up for the 16-20th best junior in a depleted draft is not a good trade.
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Sorry but I don't think a late first rounder is worth it for Foley
He's a state representative midfielder and a known quantity, giving him up for the 16-20th best junior in a depleted draft is not a good trade.
I suppose it all comes down to (a) what you get in the draft and (b) how highly oenn rates Foley doesn't it?
If it meant another Cotchin or a Rich or Dangerfield - it would just seems like a no brainer to me
But Infamy we can agree to disagree of course :thumbsup
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So Infamy if Melbourne came knocking at our door offering pick # 1 for Foley you would knock it back???
Of course not, but how about we try for a realistic hypothetical?
Why isn't it realistic?? If Lids was on the open market and with Melbourne having picks 1 and 2 why wouldn't they at least ask? They would be basically trading untried Scully for ready to go Deledio who has 10/12 years left in him. They then use pick 2 on Butcher or Trengrove
Having PSD #1 pick wont help them get Deledio as Richmond would get a deal done with another club
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Sorry but I don't think a late first rounder is worth it for Foley
He's a state representative midfielder and a known quantity, giving him up for the 16-20th best junior in a depleted draft is not a good trade.
I suppose it all comes down to (a) what you get in the draft and (b) how highly oenn rates Foley doesn't it?
If it meant another Cotchin or a Rich or Dangerfield - it would just seems like a no brainer to me
But Infamy we can agree to disagree of course :thumbsup
WP, I agree we can get rid of Foley, but I feel doing it this season is stupid! We should look to offload players like Tuck this season. If we are to offload Foley, it has to be at the end of next season to the GC17 and in return we will see a nice high draft pick due to his age and finishings in the B&F!
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I just think the last month has demonstrated how much we have missed Foley.
Im glad he has been resigned
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So Infamy if Melbourne came knocking at our door offering pick # 1 for Foley you would knock it back???
Thats a really clever question
No it is not.
For there is little to no chance of pick #1 for Foley.
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Right now the list is on its way to Perth to play W Coast.
Beyond tomorrow night at about 11 pm EDT some will be at the pub hamming it up others will be on a plane flying back and I am hoping
Newman, Tuck, Schulz, McMahon are on the trade table. I wish the latter two were gone but alas.
Raines
Simmonds
Brown
Pettifer
Cogs
Patto
JON
Potentially have 9-12 players gawn from this years senior list. That's what I am hoping for with regards to our list.
I am certain Damien will not trade picks for players rather trade some players for picks and use those picks to draft astutely and get what we need to give us a realistic crack at that 11th Premiership Damien was alluding to.
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Jon Ralph's Richmond list assessment
August 27, 2009 09:45am
NEW Tigers coach Damien Hardwick faces some tough choices when it comes to the Richmond list. We take a look at who's in the firing line. At his first press conference, Hardwick quoted John Kennedy, saying there's no sentiment in football. That may be bad news for several Tigers.
Here's Jon Ralph's assessment of how each Tiger rates.
KEEP
Brett Deledio, Trent Cotchin, Matthew Richardson, Ben Cousins, Andrew Collins, Daniel Connors, Shane Edwards, Jayden Post, Richard Tambling, Nathan Foley, Matt White, Tyrone Vickery, Angus Graham, Daniel Jackson, Luke McGuane, Kelvin Moore, Mitch Morton, Chris Newman, Dean Polo, Alex Rance, Jack Riewoldt, Will Thursfield, Robin Nahas, Andrew Browne
GONE
Joel Bowden - Retired
Kane Johnson - Retired
Kayne Pettifer - A knee reco last year and injured again.
Nathan Brown - Groin problems have hurt his chances of another year.
Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls - Just 13 games in four years for the 2005 No.8 draft pick.
Adam Pattison - A No.16 pick in 2004, he has played just eight games in '09.
SHAKY
Andrew Raines - Still has potential from half-back.
Mark Coughlan - His hard-headed approach might save him.
Tom Hislop - Essendon discard has considerable limitations.
Cleve Hughes - A beautiful kick, but just six games since the start of last year.
Jake King - Has a contract, but is he in their next premiership side?
Jordan McMahon - Best result would be trading him to St Kilda for a late pick.
Graham Polak - Might stay, but does he have an upside?
Dean Putt - Hasn't come close so far.
Troy Simmonds - Insurance only.
Jay Schulz - Has a contract for next year. The Tigers would trade him for virtually nothing.
Adam Thomson - Has a contract, but why did they trade for him in the first place? Mystifying.
Shane Tuck - In Hardwick's mould. Surely he will keep him.
Jarrod Silvester - Future unknown.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25988252-19742,00.html
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Ralph too generous if he has only 6 definite gones.
SHAKY
Andrew Raines - Still has potential from half-back. Trade. For some reason still highly rated by some in the media. Maybe keep to offload to the GC17 if we can't get anything decent for him this trade period.
Mark Coughlan - His hard-headed approach might save him. Gone. Body is stuffed
Tom Hislop - Essendon discard has considerable limitations. Another waste of a pick on a discard albeit a late pick. Imagine if we took someone like Liam Jurrah here.
Cleve Hughes - A beautiful kick, but just six games since the start of last year. Gone.
Jake King - Has a contract, but is he in their next premiership side? Should be going. Hell the hell did he get a 2 year contract!
Jordan McMahon - Best result would be trading him to St Kilda for a late pick. Oh please Saints do us a favour.
Graham Polak - Might stay, but does he have an upside? Gone if there's no sentiment but others deserve to go before him.
Dean Putt - Hasn't come close so far. A concern but I think he's safe as a 203cm tall 20 year old.
Troy Simmonds - Insurance only. Gone.
Jay Schulz - Has a contract for next year. The Tigers would trade him for virtually nothing. Should have been traded 2 years ago for pick 28.
Adam Thomson - Has a contract, but why did they trade for him in the first place? Mystifying. Agree Ralphy. Utter stupidity. It's trades like this one that keep Richmond down the bottom.
Shane Tuck - In Hardwick's mould. Surely he will keep him. Trade option while he still has some value. Will be 28 next year and not part of our next flag.
Jarrod Silvester - Future unknown. Last year as a rookie. Hard to see him being promoted when we already have 5 possible tall defenders on our senior list.
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MT, do you think any of those five possible tall defenders would have any worth on the trade table? Maybe keep the Big Cat as the token big-bodied defender?
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MT, do you think any of those five possible tall defenders would have any worth on the trade table? Maybe keep the Big Cat as the token big-bodied defender?
The 5 are Moore, Thursty (just re-signed), McGuane, Rance and Post. Thursty and Post would be non-tradable (Heffernan rule for Thursty?).
I don't see us trading any of them but the remaining three probably do have some worth to be honest (Hawks, Blues and a couple of other clubs need tall defenders). Having said that I think we may get more value next year from GC17 than from the existing 16 clubs this year who will want to hold onto their first rounders in a compromised draft. Also if Lake is considering shifting to get more $$$ then our tall defenders pail into insignifance compared to him which would lower their trade value.
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Who'll be on the list next year + 2010 age
Browne - 19
Collins - 21
Connors - 21
Cotchin - 19
Cousins - 31
Deledio - 22
Edwards - 21
Foley - 24
Graham - 22
Hislop - 21
Hughes - 23
Jackson - 23
King - 26
McGuane - 23
Moore - 26
Morton - 23
Nahas - 22
Newman - 27
Polak - 25
Polo - 23
Post - 20
Putt - 20
Rance - 20
Richardson - 35
Riewoldt - 21
Tambling - 23
Thompson - 23
Thursfield - 23
Vickory - 19
White - 22
Take out Highest and Lowest age and the Av age is = 22.6 Before adding your 4 or 5 teenagers. We'll have an amazingly young young size next year.
With Richo it's Avg age of 23.
Gone
Bowden
Brown
Coughlan :(
Johnson
McMahon
Oakly Nicholls
Pettifer
Pattison
Raines
Schultz
Simmonds
Tuck :(
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MT , Whats the "Heffernan rule" ?
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MT , Whats the "Heffernan rule" ?
The Heffernan rule meant you can't trade a player who's just signed a new contract
However in real world it doesn't mean much as if all three parties agree then the player can still be traded.
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The 5 are Moore, Thursty (just re-signed), McGuane, Rance and Post. Thursty and Post would be non-tradable (Heffernan rule for Thursty?).
I don't see us trading any of them but the remaining three probably do have some worth to be honest (Hawks, Blues and a couple of other clubs need tall defenders). Having said that I think we may get more value next year from GC17 than from the existing 16 clubs this year who will want to hold onto their first rounders in a compromised draft. Also if Lake is considering shifting to get more $$$ then our tall defenders pail into insignifance compared to him which would lower their trade value.
To me Thursfield and McGuane are the same player. McGuane has more improvement in him although can hardly rest on his laurels. I actually reckon this year was a bit of a dissapointment for Will. I'd put him out there but he's had his injury problems and seems like one of those boys who needs to get bigger and stronger to take the big forwards in a back-line rotation but is naturally averse to putting on lean mass.
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To me Thursfield and McGuane are the same player. McGuane has more improvement in him although can hardly rest on his laurels. I actually reckon this year was a bit of a dissapointment for Will. I'd put him out there but he's had his injury problems and seems like one of those boys who needs to get bigger and stronger to take the big forwards in a back-line rotation but is naturally averse to putting on lean mass.
IMO McGaune has the added ability to rebound and set up attacks than just be a defender like Thursty. Luke showed that twice against Hawthorn running off Buddy and bursting through the guts to kick long into our forward line. Thursty on the other hand can play on midsized forwards moreso than Lukey. IIRC Thursty earlier in the year was struggling with "issues" that affected his footy. He's been better since he's come back. The main concern I have with both of them is they aren't the greatest kicks. Not as bad as Gas was but not exactly great either especially when coming out of defence and the need to precisely distribute the ball to those upfield. We of course still need a bigger body key defender as against the Fevs of the world our key defenders get pushed aside. Kel was that key defender last but he's had a disappointing year due to that shoulder injury and form. He should have been put in cotton wool as soon as he injured it against Brisbane but we kept playing him ::) even though he was struggling big time.
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MT - you've obviously forgotten that Jurrah wasn't registered for the national draft, and had to get special permission to be eligible for the PSD
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Jade on SEN tonight on what our list needs .....
* A Key Forward
Jade sees Post as a backman before he makes it as a forward. Riewoldt has done an amazing effort up forward as a 20 year old but he needs help.
* Another midfielder to go with Lids, Cotch, Polo, Tambo, Jacko, Foley.
Jade still thinks McMahon could become a good player :o
* Another kicker down back. We've turned it over too much coming out of defensive 50.
* Jade doesn't think we're too far away if we add these type of players.
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Surely that McMahon comment is an internal prerequisite from the club that anyone who talks about the list has to say that McMahon is a valuable player in order to attract interests for trade from other clubs.
Jade Rawlings surely does not believe that. :lol
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Delusional
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With Brown and Cogs shown the Door,
where does that leave Simmonds ??
Mail around that Graham and Patterson will get the stuff and they keep Simmonds for one more year.
And they pick up back up ruckman in pre season draft ;)
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I would have thought Simmonds epitaph was signed and sealed after that wonderful display of hitting the target on Saturday night.
Patto I can agree with that decision. Too slow and cumbersome. Another top 20 draft pick from 2004 that Miller could not have got any more wrong.
I would have thought Graham would be retained given his age.
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I would have thought Simmonds epitaph was signed and sealed after that wonderful display of hitting the target on Saturday night.
Patto I can agree with that decision. Too slow and cumbersome. Another top 20 draft pick from 2004 that Miller could not have got any more wrong.
I would have thought Graham would be retained given his age.
Only a theory that was thrown around, as Graham isnt much good, and aint smart.
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I would have thought Simmonds epitaph was signed and sealed after that wonderful display of hitting the target on Saturday night.
Patto I can agree with that decision. Too slow and cumbersome. Another top 20 draft pick from 2004 that Miller could not have got any more wrong.
I would have thought Graham would be retained given his age.
No worries Champ thanks for the heads up. :thumbsup
Only a theory that was thrown around, as Graham isnt much good, and aint smart.
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These players that remain on the list...............
Skills skills skills.
Hopefully Hardwick will keep them on the track until they get their skills drills correct in much the same mould as Clarkson at Hawthorn.
If only players recruited to the RFC had a pair of hands around their ankles also.
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Get rid of Rance , too slow, to many mistakes for mine.
I reckon Graham has stamped his ticket tonite, pathetic
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Get rid of Rance , too slow, to many mistakes for mine.
I reckon Graham has stamped his ticket tonite, pathetic
You can't get rid of Rance after two seasons on the list Jack. There are many others who have blown more opportunities than Alex.
Alex was recruited to a club devoit of leadership fitness nurturement of success and a mental capacity to take on the game. Hardwick will change that and will instill these attributes. It's easy to attain a loser mentality if you have only been exposed to that environment.
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Get rid of Rance , too slow, to many mistakes for mine.
I reckon Graham has stamped his ticket tonite, pathetic
You can't get rid of Rance after two seasons on the list Jack. There are many others who have blown more opportunities than Alex.
Alex was recruited to a club devoit of leadership fitness nurturement of success and a mental capacity to take on the game. Hardwick will change that and will instill these attributes. It's easy to attain a loser mentality if you have only been exposed to that environment.
Mate. he cant even take an overhead mark, is way too slow.
You see, that whats wrong with Richmond, they fall in love with hacks
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Raines Simmonds Brown Bowden MCMAHON Pettifer Coghlan SCHULZ Pattison Johnson
Oakley-Nicholls Hughes Silvestor KING
14 names listed.
Names in capitals are those that are still contracted next year that I know of.
Means we should have 11 candidates for delisting/trading
Names in bold definite trade options.
You could probably add another 3-4 players as delistings/ trade bait who may not be at the club next year.
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Ch 10 news said it's expected we'll delist 6 more on top of the 4 already gone.
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Ch 10 news said it's expected we'll delist 6 more on top of the 4 already gone.
You would hope 10 is a bare minimum.
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Ch 10 news said it's expected we'll delist 6 more on top of the 4 already gone.
You would hope 10 is a bare minimum.
I don't expect much more than that
Can't realistically cut more than 25% of the list in a single season
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What about gourdis? Is he a goner, I haven't heard anything about him all year?
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What about gourdis? Is he a goner, I haven't heard anything about him all year?
He's been injured the last few weeks although he did train on Tuesday. I'd be surprised if he is still on our list next year. He can't kick and Hardwick would've learnt at Hawthorn that good footskills are a priority.
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Blight gave us a F on Ch 10 tonight.
Positives:
* New Coach
* Can't think of anything else
Negatives:
* Too many excuses
* Lengthy rebuild ahead
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Ch 10 news said it's expected we'll delist 6 more on top of the 4 already gone.
You would hope 10 is a bare minimum.
Im looking for 12 changes, anything below 10 is weak, 10-12 probable, 12 to 15 and Hardwick is making a big statement - and I reckon thats what he should do. If the old days were in operation and you could buy players we'd sack about 26 players lol.
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More Tiger pain: McCartney
August 30, 2009
JASON McCartney has predicted further gloom for Richmond supporters despite Damien Hardwick's appointment.
The AIS high-performance coach for the AFL said that while Hardwick had a three-year contract, it would probably take 18 months to two years before he could get the players that would fit his game plan.
"He's going to have to cull so many players this year and when you go to the draft you can only pick up so many players and rookies, so there may be a couple that will stick around that he doesn't really want,'' McCartney told BigPond Sports Weekend.
"I think what's going to happen now is some players who have been fairly comfortable are going to get the door slam-closed on them and they'll realise, 'maybe I could have done a few things differently'."
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/more-tiger-pain-mccartney/2009/08/29/1251394633392.html
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What about gourdis? Is he a goner, I haven't heard anything about him all year?
He's been injured the last few weeks although he did train on Tuesday. I'd be surprised if he is still on our list next year. He can't kick and Hardwick would've learnt at Hawthorn that good footskills are a priority.
Agreed - he cetainly wouldn't survive my cull ;D
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Get rid of Rance , too slow, to many mistakes for mine.
I reckon Graham has stamped his ticket tonite, pathetic
You can't get rid of Rance after two seasons on the list Jack. There are many others who have blown more opportunities than Alex.
Alex was recruited to a club devoit of leadership fitness nurturement of success and a mental capacity to take on the game. Hardwick will change that and will instill these attributes. It's easy to attain a loser mentality if you have only been exposed to that environment.
Just looking at the stats for friday night, Rance 2 kicks, give me a spell, Has to Go.
If you can only get 2 kicks on a ground like Subicao, you shouldnt be playing AFL I am afraid..
Kel Moore likewise.
Consider this, our back 6 have been a hugh problem all year.
They cannot take contested marks against the trend..
Must change the personal we have in D 50, they aint good enough.
You people fall in love with them too much
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Get rid of Rance , too slow, to many mistakes for mine.
I reckon Graham has stamped his ticket tonite, pathetic
You can't get rid of Rance after two seasons on the list Jack. There are many others who have blown more opportunities than Alex.
Alex was recruited to a club devoit of leadership fitness nurturement of success and a mental capacity to take on the game. Hardwick will change that and will instill these attributes. It's easy to attain a loser mentality if you have only been exposed to that environment.
Just looking at the stats for friday night, Rance 2 kicks, give me a spell, Has to Go.
If you can only get 2 kicks on a ground like Subicao, you shouldnt be playing AFL I am afraid..
Kel Moore likewise.
Consider this, our back 6 have been a hugh problem all year.
They cannot take contested marks against the trend..
Must change the personal we have in D 50, they aint good enough.
You people fall in love with them too much
We are gonig to look pretty stupid with only 2-4 players on the field next year Jack, you wan't everyone gone don't you, Rance is a kid FFS start backing these players up instead of bagging them evrey single time you get a chance.
The whole team played like crap Friday so in Jacks mind let's trade them all!!!!!
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Jacko has convinced me on Rance - Id be offering him up to Freo and WCE and see what falls of the tree at the other end. Richmond has never been good at trading players at there highest value. Maybe Rances highest value is now and if that is the case, then maybe it would be best to trade him Now.
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Jacko has convinced me on Rance - Id be offering him up to Freo and WCE and see what falls of the tree at the other end. Richmond has never been good at trading players at there highest value. Maybe Rances highest value is now and if that is the case, then maybe it would be best to trade him Now.
And we replace him with........................ ???
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Thursfield, McGuane, Moore can all hold down a spot, Post could also go down there and help out. Trading out Rance may get us a decent pick and hopefully a chance at another decent midfielder or key forward in the draft.
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Thursfield, McGuane, Moore can all hold down a spot, Post could also go down there and help out. Trading out Rance may get us a decent pick and hopefully a chance at another decent midfielder or key forward in the draft.
What ever Ramps, don't agree with you though, don't you think Hardwick could turn this guy into one of the best, think about it!!!!!!!!!!!! Those players you mentioned are not and have not really been on fire have they.
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All of Thursfield, McGuane and Moore should be offered up for trade to see if anyone is interested. If we get an offer for one of them I would take it.
I know they cope with a lot of forward entries, but they've all had their colours lowered this season. Also find Thursfield and McGUane very similar players. Same physique, struggle with the bigger bodies, provide some dash out of the backline but disposal and decision making under pressure not the best.