Where is the list at?

[Ramps]

This just my opinion on the list towards the end of the 2009 season. We have alot who arent up to it. The Frawley Wallace Miller era has wrecked our club.


2. Will Thursfield - should stay in 2010
3. Brett Deledio - should stay in 2010
4. Andrew Raines - Trade
5. Troy Simmonds - Delist
6. Graham Polak - Delist
7. Nathan Brown - Delist
8. Jack Riewoldt - should stay in 2010
9. Trent Cotchin - should stay in 2010
10. Shane Edwards - Trade for a decent deal otherwise he stays
11. Joel Bowden - Delist
12. Matthew Richardson - should stay in 2010
13. Jordan McMahon - Trade or Delist
14. Dean Polo - Trade for a decent deal otherwise he stays
15. Kayne Pettifer - Delist
16. Luke McGuane - should stay in 2010
17. Chris Newman - At 27yo try and Trade for a decent deal otherwise he stays
18. Alex Rance - should stay in 2010, needs to spend the summer learning how to kick
19. Dean Putt - where is he? the Invisible man.
20. Mitch Morton - should stay in 2010
21. Shane Tuck - Trade for a decent deal otherwise he stays
22. Jarryd Oakley-Nicholls - Delist
23. Daniel Jackson - should stay in 201
24. Mark Coughlan - Delist
25. Jay Schulz - Delist
26. Adam Pattison - Trade for a decent deal otherwise he stays
27. Tom Hislop - Survives for 2010 because to many have to be cut
28. Kane Johnson - Delist
29. Tyrone Vickery - Keep
30. Richard Tambling - Keep
31. Adam Thomson - Survives so we can see if he can play in 2010
32. Ben Cousins - Retained for his skill and leadership.
34. Cleve Hughes - Trade for decent deal otherwise I suppose he stays
35. Matthew White - Trade
37. Jayden Post - Keep
39. Daniel Connors - Trade or Delist
40. Kelvin Moore - Trade for a decent deal otherwise he stays
41. Nathan Foley - I would have traded but he has to stay because of the quality in the list
42. Andrew Collins - Keep
44. Angus Graham - Keep but he is only just a player
46. Jake King - Delist
33. David Gourdis - Retain for 12 more months
36. Jarrod Silvester - Delist
38. Robin Nahas - Keep
43. Andrew Browne - Keep
45. Alroy Gilligan - Keep

[the_boy_jake]

On SEN today March said that Cameron had come up with a list of 12-13 players who could play in our next premiership team.

I'd love to know who is on the list.

IMHO

Champion players who will be too old for our next premiership

Richo
Cousins

Players who you would say are good enough to play in a premiership team

Deledio
Tambling

Solid players who would be contributors in a premiership team

Newman
Jackson
Foley
Polo

Promising youngsters
Cotchin
Collins
Rance
Post

Project players
Nahas

The rest have a LOT to prove next season. The form of our backline talls is particularly worrying after the backend of last season.

[Jackstar is back]

This just my opinion on the list towards the end of the 2009 season. We have alot who arent up to it. The Frawley Wallace Miller era has wrecked our club.


2. Will Thursfield - should stay in 2010
3. Brett Deledio - should stay in 2010
4. Andrew Raines - Trade
5. Troy Simmonds - Delist
6. Graham Polak - Delist
7. Nathan Brown - Delist
8. Jack Riewoldt - should stay in 2010
9. Trent Cotchin - should stay in 2010
10. Shane Edwards - Trade for a decent deal otherwise he stays
11. Joel Bowden - Delist
12. Matthew Richardson - should stay in 2010
13. Jordan McMahon - Trade or Delist
14. Dean Polo - Trade for a decent deal otherwise he stays
15. Kayne Pettifer - Delist
16. Luke McGuane - should stay in 2010
17. Chris Newman - At 27yo try and Trade for a decent deal otherwise he stays
18. Alex Rance - should stay in 2010, needs to spend the summer learning how to kick
19. Dean Putt - where is he? the Invisible man.
20. Mitch Morton - should stay in 2010
21. Shane Tuck - Trade for a decent deal otherwise he stays
22. Jarryd Oakley-Nicholls - Delist
23. Daniel Jackson - should stay in 201
24. Mark Coughlan - Delist
25. Jay Schulz - Delist
26. Adam Pattison - Trade for a decent deal otherwise he stays
27. Tom Hislop - Survives for 2010 because to many have to be cut
28. Kane Johnson - Delist
29. Tyrone Vickery - Keep
30. Richard Tambling - Keep
31. Adam Thomson - Survives so we can see if he can play in 2010
32. Ben Cousins - Retained for his skill and leadership.
34. Cleve Hughes - Trade for decent deal otherwise I suppose he stays
35. Matthew White - Trade
37. Jayden Post - Keep
39. Daniel Connors - Trade or Delist
40. Kelvin Moore - Trade for a decent deal otherwise he stays
41. Nathan Foley - I would have traded but he has to stay because of the quality in the list
42. Andrew Collins - Keep
44. Angus Graham - Keep but he is only just a player
46. Jake King - Delist
33. David Gourdis - Retain for 12 more months
36. Jarrod Silvester - Delist
38. Robin Nahas - Keep
43. Andrew Browne - Keep
45. Alroy Gilligan - Keep

Ramps agree with all bar 2.
What drugs are you on ?? CLEVE HUGHES
And I dont think Rance will make it, have watched him very closely over the past month, he CANT PLAY, Is too slow and has no awareness

[Francois Jackson]

Exactly Jake. Thrown in Vickery and a fit Moore.

Thursfield is too skinny to be a defender. he is our version of Zac Dawson of the Hawks of 2007

I still think Jack is going to be a good player but ONLY if he takes the 3rd best defender. He needs help there next year big time. Butcher pleaseeeeeeeeeeee

[TigerLand]

Pretty Spot on Ramps.

I think Jake King stays. Alot can be said for a guy with half as much skill as anyone else and gives 110% when your down by 100 points.

There were many highly rated players that were disinterested today, for mine they go before someone who gives 110.

Old footy saying goes:

A footballer with mediocre skill with 100% effort could be anything,
A footballer with great skill with 50% effort is nothing.

[Ramps]

Unfortunately we cant sack them all. If someone gives us a 3rd rounder for Hughes then he goes, otherwise there are to many before him that need to go. As for Rance, Alex cant kick, but he is worth persisting with, theres atleast 20 blokes that need to go before Alex Rance.

[Jackstar is back]

The players marked for trade aint worth nothing

[Ramps]

The players marked for trade aint worth nothing

Correct and it shows how stupid our club has been over the last 10 years.

The only thing keeping our club from dying a sad death ala Fitzroy is our supporters and members.

The members and supporters want Matthews or Hardwick or preferably both with Matthews as a director of coaching with Hardwick as Senior Coach.

[Jackstar is back]

The players marked for trade aint worth nothing

Correct and it shows how stupid our club has been over the last 10 years.

The only thing keeping our club from dying a sad death ala Fitzroy is our supporters and members.

The members and supporters want Matthews or Hardwick or preferably both with Matthews as a director of coaching with Hardwick as Senior Coach.

Ramps, I think you can see why I was so scaving of Wallace and Co over the past 3 years,
And to have Terry say 8 weeks ago that he took over a "" basket case "" 5 years ago.
Well its worse now.
Why ?
Through bad management and bad decisions, who is the blame, no the supporters but staff and managers of this football club.
March will go in a few weeks, nothing is more ceratin with Mike Green taking the reins.
Benny Gale taking over from Steve Wright  is fantastic, forget about the 2m profit, he has done nothing to change they way the club is,
Steve Wrights ink is on the McMahon contract by the way.
He should of stood up to people and challenged them , but no , he was Humphrey B Bear, never said a thing .
I love this football club, but the future isnt good at all.
WHAT A MESS

[Infamy]

You're an idiot, there is no way the CEO should be making football list decisions. The CEO is there to run the business side of the club, not dictate how things should be done on field.

[Jackstar is back]

You're an idiot, there is no way the CEO should be making football list decisions. The CEO is there to run the business side of the club, not dictate how things should be done on field.

Why am i an idiot,
NO DOUBT Benny Gale will play a big part in player contracts etc.
To pay McMahon $330,000 a year for three years when the he played 6 games the previous year at $175,000  a year is a disgrace,
WHO IS THE IDIOT OR IDIOTS IN THIS INSTANCE.
Contract is signed by S. Wright

[Infamy]

So does that mean that every single CEO at AFL clubs needs to have AFL list management experience? I'm sorry, but that's just ridiculous. There is a set amount of the TPP that we must pay and the average senior AFL player salary is around $250k per year. The contract McMahon received would have been one negotiated between the list manager of the time and McMahon's manager. Wright may sign the cheques, but he isn't the one making that decision. I'm sorry but I've never heard of any CEO at any club interfering with list management decisions, they are business men. The football department gets their TPP budget for player salaries and that is theirs to work with. The club as a whole may make a decision to reduce or increase their total TPP expenditure, but the details of who it goes to is not and should not be that of the CEO.

Besides, CEOs aren't meant to be micro-managers, they can't be expected to negotiate every single salary at an entity the size of an AFL football cub. A good manager delegates and in this instance, the roles were delegated to people who were already at the club when Wright took over the position.

[Jackstar is back]

So does that mean that every single CEO at AFL clubs needs to have AFL list management experience? I'm sorry, but that's just ridiculous. There is a set amount of the TPP that we must pay and the average senior AFL player salary is around $250k per year. The contract McMahon received would have been one negotiated between the list manager of the time and McMahon's manager. Wright may sign the cheques, but he isn't the one making that decision.

CEOs aren't meant to be micro-managers, they can't be expected to negotiate every single salary at an entity the size of an AFL football cub. A good manager delegates and in this instance, the roles were delegated to people who were already at the club when Wright took over the role.

You have no idea, pointless discussing this with morons on the internet.
Will say this, I spent 4 years at Punt Rd and I would think there needs to be a COMPLETE clean out of all staff, like it or not.
And furthermore, dont worry what spin the RFC put on things, Steve Wright was moved on and replaced by someone with "'Footy Nounce "" and the place is a mess, and we have seen what has translating on the ground over the past 3 weeks.

[Infamy]

Yeah I'm the idiot here
Perhaps instead of just giving up you should tell me why I am wrong
Or perhaps you can't, you can't argue with logic you know

[Francois Jackson]

So does that mean that every single CEO at AFL clubs needs to have AFL list management experience? I'm sorry, but that's just ridiculous. There is a set amount of the TPP that we must pay and the average senior AFL player salary is around $250k per year. The contract McMahon received would have been one negotiated between the list manager of the time and McMahon's manager. Wright may sign the cheques, but he isn't the one making that decision.
I'm sorry but I've never heard of any CEO at any club interfering with football department decisions, they are business men.

CEOs aren't meant to be micro-managers, they can't be expected to negotiate every single salary at an entity the size of an AFL football cub. A good manager delegates and in this instance, the roles were delegated to people who were already at the club when Wright took over the position.

That may be true but i cant see one Benny Gale not getting involved if he was asked to sign that cheque over

I rank that as one of the worst decisions by the club in the last 30 years.

best decision the club has made in 30 years is hire Benny Gale. I personally hopwe he does get involved more than Wright. we need all the help we can get