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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Loui Tufga on April 30, 2016, 10:15:32 PM
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Ground hog week.....
Out Lambert (ribs)
In Marcon
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Any chance of Lennon getting a game?
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Play the kids. Would be remiss of the club if we don't.
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Scenes next week similar to the Dees a few seasons ago with the team getting booed off the ground after losing by 150pts plus, mark my words.
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Out: Morris
In: Hunt
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Play the kids. Would be remiss of the club if we don't.
The season has already been remiss of the club, why start now?
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Out: Morris
In: Hunt
:lol
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Any chance of Lennon getting a game?
nah he doesnt work hard enough, unlike te rest of the blokes in our current 22 who gut run up and down the ground all game
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Out: Morris
In: Hunt
Just brilliant Wayne! :lol :clapping
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Ins Griffiths, Lennon, Short, McBean, Elton,
Out, Chaplin, Bachlor, Morris, Rioli,(Squibber) Lambert, B. Ellis Hampson(Rubbish Bin)
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Out: Morris
In: Hunt
:clapping
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Who cares
The under performers will live to fight another day
Terrific, just terrificTM
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Out: Hyde
In: Tivendale
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Like shuffling the deckchairs on a sinking ship.
Out: Hampson, Chaplin, Morris, Lambert (inj.)
In: McBean, Griffiths, Vlastuin, McIntosh.
Any chance of Lennon getting a game?
Didn't play in the VFL game due to a corky apparently.
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Outs .Lambert , Maric , Rioli ,Morris
Ins .Griffiths, Vlaustin, Grimes, McIntosh
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We are in big big trouble people.
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Outs .Lambert , Maric , Rioli ,Morris
Ins .Griffiths, Vlaustin, Grimes, McIntosh
Wow. You really love the Big Spud don't you?
And why on earth would you drop Rioli?
I'm glad you've seen the light on how useless Morris is. Well done. :clapping
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We are in big big trouble people.
You are wong Dooks.
We are not in big big trouble.
When something is dead, it is not in trouble anymore. :whistle
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Roadkill has more activity than the RFC atm
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Outs .Lambert , Maric , Rioli ,Morris
Ins .Griffiths, Vlaustin, Grimes, McIntosh
Wow. You really love the Big Spud don't you?
And why on earth would you drop Rioli?
I'm glad you've seen the light on how useless Morris is. Well done. :clapping
Small forward to have 3 kicks in today's game
Please spare me
That's why we are playing rubbish football
Club falls in love with players
Let him get some 15-20 possession games back in the VFL then play him
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Outs .Lambert , Maric , Rioli ,Morris
Ins .Griffiths, Vlaustin, Grimes, McIntosh
Wow. You really love the Big Spud don't you?
And why on earth would you drop Rioli?
I'm glad you've seen the light on how useless Morris is. Well done. :clapping
Small forward to have 3 kicks in today's game
Please spare me
That's why we are playing rubbish football
Club falls in love with players
Let him get some 15-20 possession games back in the VFL then play him
Jack. You're looking at it the wrong way.
Any this stage you shouldn't care about the loss. It's the fact we continue to lose playing guys who have maxed out on improvement years ago.
Play the kids. Doesn't matter if they only have 3 possessions. If they show something (and Rioli shows something) get as many games into them as they will improve.
Look at Cellis. He was very poor in the last few weeks yet we stuck with him and was one of our better players last night. It's because these kids CAN improve. Spuds like Morris, Chaplin and Hampson won't improve, they are just going to get worse now.
We should be getting as many games into our juniors now. The season is shot. We should be using it as a development year.
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It wasn't a development year 6 weeks ago
They were aiming top 4
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Outs .Lambert , Maric , Rioli ,Morris
Ins .Griffiths, Vlaustin, Grimes, McIntosh
Wow. You really love the Big Spud don't you?
And why on earth would you drop Rioli?
I'm glad you've seen the light on how useless Morris is. Well done. :clapping
Small forward to have 3 kicks in today's game
Please spare me
That's why we are playing rubbish football
Club falls in love with players
Let him get some 15-20 possession games back in the VFL then play him
Jack. You're looking at it the wrong way.
Any this stage you shouldn't care about the loss. It's the fact we continue to lose playing guys who have maxed out on improvement years ago.
Play the kids. Doesn't matter if they only have 3 possessions. If they show something (and Rioli shows something) get as many games into them as they will improve.
Look at Cellis. He was very poor in the last few weeks yet we stuck with him and was one of our better players last night. It's because these kids CAN improve. Spuds like Morris, Chaplin and Hampson won't improve, they are just going to get worse now.
We should be getting as many games into our juniors now. The season is shot. We should be using it as a development year.
Absolutely agree :clapping No more Hampson, Houli, B.Ellis, Chaplin, Vickery, Grigg, Morris. These players are inept and are a major reason why we are in trouble. They don't get the hard ball, play for team mates, decision making - well they have none, footy smarts - nil. Play the young guy to see what they have to offer and I would give Griffiths one last chance to step up. From the VFL games I have seen live this year, the following players need to be exposed to senior level or need to be played: Castagna, Short, Elton, Markov, Lennon, Chol, C. Moore and a game or two for Soldo & Drummond. Marcon, Butler, McBean, Broard, Hunt, A. Moore don't have what it takes. We are in a mess :help
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It wasn't a development year 6 weeks ago
They were aiming top 4
I know. They got it horribly wrong. However, not to acknowledge that and to continue to go down the same path is worse than getting it wrong. We all make mistakes. What defines us as people of reasonable intellect is being able to recognize that you've taken the wrong path and reset yourself on a new direction as fast as possible. Being able to really recognize the problems and get rid of them.
The club needs to take action fast. Admit they got it wrong and start rebuilding now.
I'll back them in if they have the guts to do this. Doing nothing is going to lose the club a lot more support in the long run.
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Outs .Lambert , Maric , Rioli ,Morris
Ins .Griffiths, Vlaustin, Grimes, McIntosh
Wow. You really love the Big Spud don't you?
And why on earth would you drop Rioli?
I'm glad you've seen the light on how useless Morris is. Well done. :clapping
Small forward to have 3 kicks in today's game
Please spare me
That's why we are playing rubbish football
Club falls in love with players
Let him get some 15-20 possession games back in the VFL then play him
Jack. You're looking at it the wrong way.
Any this stage you shouldn't care about the loss. It's the fact we continue to lose playing guys who have maxed out on improvement years ago.
Play the kids. Doesn't matter if they only have 3 possessions. If they show something (and Rioli shows something) get as many games into them as they will improve.
Look at Cellis. He was very poor in the last few weeks yet we stuck with him and was one of our better players last night. It's because these kids CAN improve. Spuds like Morris, Chaplin and Hampson won't improve, they are just going to get worse now.
We should be getting as many games into our juniors now. The season is shot. We should be using it as a development year.
I actually agree as well. Thing is the kids need to be managed properly.
The way it is supposed to work is kids play well in the twos get senior games, start to struggle at seniors and back to the twos to gain confidence and form.The thing that keeps on smacking us in the face is very few kids are getting a kick in the twos and that is translating into senior form.
All the talk is play kids and i agree with those sentiments, but maybe it is time to have a good hard look at them because imo there is a lot of unwarranted faith in how good they are.
Also believe it or not we have played juniors so far this year 7 of them and to a man their impact has been minimal.In fairness to those kids that should be expected to a degree but i go back to what i said when this happens they should be sent back to the twos for form and confidence.
Our juniors 18 - 21 as of march 24 the start of this years season.
Butler 19yo -
Castagna 19yo -
Chol 19yo -
Drummond 21yo -
C Ellis 19yo -
Lennon 20yo -
McBean 21yo -
McIntosh 21yo -
McKenzie 20yo -
Menadue 19yo
Short 20yo -
Soldo 19yo -
C Moore 19yo -
Vlastuin 21yo -
We have 14 junior players on our list and so far this year 7 have been played. With a rebuild imminent some of the questions i am asking is
What do we actually have with our junior crop. How many will make it or look likely to make it? Are any of them A graders ? How many can make a decent contribution to the seniors if played.
Is there enough quality when compared to other clubs juniors?
The impression i get is people think we have enough junior talent and dont need to go backwards too far, it will all be good just play the kids. I think people are in for a rude shock.
Play the kids for sure, but people should not be expecting great onfield results if we do play them enmasse. Will people have the patience and be prepared for a period where just being competetive will suffice. Some will but my experience of tiger supporters on the whole most won't.
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Outs .Lambert , Maric , Rioli ,Morris
Ins .Griffiths, Vlaustin, Grimes, McIntosh
Wow. You really love the Big Spud don't you?
And why on earth would you drop Rioli?
I'm glad you've seen the light on how useless Morris is. Well done. :clapping
Small forward to have 3 kicks in today's game
Please spare me
That's why we are playing rubbish football
Club falls in love with players
Let him get some 15-20 possession games back in the VFL then play him
Jack. You're looking at it the wrong way.
Any this stage you shouldn't care about the loss. It's the fact we continue to lose playing guys who have maxed out on improvement years ago.
Play the kids. Doesn't matter if they only have 3 possessions. If they show something (and Rioli shows something) get as many games into them as they will improve.
Look at Cellis. He was very poor in the last few weeks yet we stuck with him and was one of our better players last night. It's because these kids CAN improve. Spuds like Morris, Chaplin and Hampson won't improve, they are just going to get worse now.
We should be getting as many games into our juniors now. The season is shot. We should be using it as a development year.
I actually agree as well. Thing is the kids need to be managed properly.
The way it is supposed to work is kids play well in the twos get senior games, start to struggle at seniors and back to the twos to gain confidence and form.The thing that keeps on smacking us in the face is very few kids are getting a kick in the twos and that is translating into senior form.
All the talk is play kids and i agree with those sentiments, but maybe it is time to have a good hard look at them because imo there is a lot of unwarranted faith in how good they are.
Also believe it or not we have played juniors so far this year 7 of them and to a man their impact has been minimal.In fairness to those kids that should be expected to a degree but i go back to what i said when this happens they should be sent back to the twos for form and confidence.
Our juniors 18 - 21 as of march 24 the start of this years season.
Butler 19yo -
Castagna 19yo -
Chol 19yo -
Drummond 21yo -
C Ellis 19yo -
Lennon 20yo -
McBean 21yo -
McIntosh 21yo -
McKenzie 20yo -
Menadue 19yo
Short 20yo -
Soldo 19yo -
C Moore 19yo -
Vlastuin 21yo -
We have 14 junior players on our list and so far this year 7 have been played. With a rebuild imminent some of the questions i am asking is
What do we actually have with our junior crop. How many will make it or look likely to make it? Are any of them A graders ? How many can make a decent contribution to the seniors if played.
Is there enough quality when compared to other clubs juniors?
The impression i get is people think we have enough junior talent and dont need to go backwards too far, it will all be good just play the kids. I think people are in for a rude shock.
Play the kids for sure, but people should not be expecting great onfield results if we do play them enmasse. Will people have the patience and be prepared for a period where just being competetive will suffice. Some will but my experience of tiger supporters on the whole most won't.
You talk about the VFL side and its players like you know what you are talking about. You don't.
Putting Rioli back into that sh-7 isn't the answer. He will learn nothing.
And neither is playing Chaplin, Grigg, Houli, Hunt, Hampson, Morris, Batchelor, A. Moore in front of guys that in time could make a difference.
I for one would even continue to go to the footy if I wasn't going to see the same old sh|+ on repeat.
Play the kids now and find out if they are worth keeping at the end of the year when these other Aholes are hopefully kicked out the door.
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OUT:
Cotchin (Inj)
Lambert (Inj)
Maric
Castanga
Chaplin
IN:
Griffiths
McBean
Elton
McIntosh
Vlastuin
(Lennon, Grimes still Inj)
R7 v Hawthorn
B: Morris, Astbury, Batchelor
HB: Vlastuin, Elton, Houli
C: McIntosh, C.Ellis, B.Ellis
HF: Deledio, Griffiths, Martin
F: Lloyd, Riewoldt, McBean
R: Hampson, Miles, Edwards
I: Grigg, Menadue, Vickery, Rioli
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Wait - so you'll drop Castagna but retain Morris?
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Like shuffling the deckchairs on a sinking ship.
Out: Hampson, Chaplin, Morris, Lambert (inj.)
In: McBean, Griffiths, Vlastuin, McIntosh.
Any chance of Lennon getting a game?
Didn't play in the VFL game due to a corky apparently.
AFL live is saying Cotchin is out for two to three weeks because of a broken cheek bone. Would love it if they did the following but won't. Out: Cotchin(inj), Lambert(inj)Hampson, Houli, Grigg, Morris, Ellis B, Chaplin and Vickery. In: McBean, Griffiths, Lennon, Marcon(if possible), McIntosh, Vlastuin(if ready but doubt it), Short and Grimes(if fit)
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Outs .Lambert , Maric , Rioli ,Morris
Ins .Griffiths, Vlaustin, Grimes, McIntosh
Wow. You really love the Big Spud don't you?
And why on earth would you drop Rioli?
I'm glad you've seen the light on how useless Morris is. Well done. :clapping
Small forward to have 3 kicks in today's game
Please spare me
That's why we are playing rubbish football
Club falls in love with players
Let him get some 15-20 possession games back in the VFL then play him
Jack. You're looking at it the wrong way.
Any this stage you shouldn't care about the loss. It's the fact we continue to lose playing guys who have maxed out on improvement years ago.
Play the kids. Doesn't matter if they only have 3 possessions. If they show something (and Rioli shows something) get as many games into them as they will improve.
Look at Cellis. He was very poor in the last few weeks yet we stuck with him and was one of our better players last night. It's because these kids CAN improve. Spuds like Morris, Chaplin and Hampson won't improve, they are just going to get worse now.
We should be getting as many games into our juniors now. The season is shot. We should be using it as a development year.
I actually agree as well. Thing is the kids need to be managed properly.
The way it is supposed to work is kids play well in the twos get senior games, start to struggle at seniors and back to the twos to gain confidence and form.The thing that keeps on smacking us in the face is very few kids are getting a kick in the twos and that is translating into senior form.
All the talk is play kids and i agree with those sentiments, but maybe it is time to have a good hard look at them because imo there is a lot of unwarranted faith in how good they are.
Also believe it or not we have played juniors so far this year 7 of them and to a man their impact has been minimal.In fairness to those kids that should be expected to a degree but i go back to what i said when this happens they should be sent back to the twos for form and confidence.
Our juniors 18 - 21 as of march 24 the start of this years season.
Butler 19yo -
Castagna 19yo -
Chol 19yo -
Drummond 21yo -
C Ellis 19yo -
Lennon 20yo -
McBean 21yo -
McIntosh 21yo -
McKenzie 20yo -
Menadue 19yo
Short 20yo -
Soldo 19yo -
C Moore 19yo -
Vlastuin 21yo -
We have 14 junior players on our list and so far this year 7 have been played. With a rebuild imminent some of the questions i am asking is
What do we actually have with our junior crop. How many will make it or look likely to make it? Are any of them A graders ? How many can make a decent contribution to the seniors if played.
Is there enough quality when compared to other clubs juniors?
The impression i get is people think we have enough junior talent and dont need to go backwards too far, it will all be good just play the kids. I think people are in for a rude shock.
Play the kids for sure, but people should not be expecting great onfield results if we do play them enmasse. Will people have the patience and be prepared for a period where just being competetive will suffice. Some will but my experience of tiger supporters on the whole most won't.
You talk about the VFL side and its players like you know what you are talking about. You don't.
Putting Rioli back into that sh-7 isn't the answer. He will learn nothing.
And neither is playing Chaplin, Grigg, Houli, Hunt, Hampson, Morris, Batchelor, A. Moore in front of guys that in time could make a difference.
I for one would even continue to go to the footy if I wasn't going to see the same old sh|+ on repeat.
Play the kids now and find out if they are worth keeping at the end of the year when these other Aholes are hopefully kicked out the door.
I think your comprehension skills have gone to the dogs mate. On two occasions in that post i inferred we play the kids and on another two occasions i said play the kids, so we actually agree.
What i dont agree with is playing them enmasse and playing them week after week when they are not getting a kick.
Aholes like those you named have got games because they actually have given more than what the kids have!!!!!! Doesnt that concern you? our kids cant outperform such hacks.
This is the trouble with the footy club, Hacks keep getting games because no one from below shows enough to force them out. If you question the hacks then you need to also question the ability of those below which includes our kids.
The thing i was trying to bring to the fore or questioning was how good are our juniors and are we over rating them. Seems to me atm most of the juniors cant get a kick in the two's and when played in the seniors can't get a kick there as well.
It has made it hard to first promote them to seniors and then keep them in.
I actually thought i asked some pretty pertinent questions about our juniors, i will continue to ask them.Like you i dont want to see the hacks get games, and i want as many kids as is practicable get games i just think it can be done without throwing every kid we have into games enmasse. We have played 7 of 14 kids so far. It is not as if some (in fact half of our juniors) are not being given opportunity.
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FB: Vlastuin - Elton - C Moore
HB: McIntosh - Astbury - Castagna
C: Menadue - Martin - Edwards
R: Maric - Townsend - Miles
HF: Short - Riewoldt - Rioli
FF: Deledio - McBean - Chol
Int: C Ellis - Grigg - Griffiths - Houli.
Thats ten of fourteen 18-21 yr olds. Atm maybe it is possible to play a large number of juniors. That side has about 9 changes to it so it won't happen.
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It wasn't a development year 6 weeks ago
They were aiming top 4
Yes they were
But what the last 6 weeks has shown is
- that we have very little depth.
- we rely too heavily on the same players week after week = our best 6-7
- we cannot afford to have said best players all horrilby out of form at the same time or injured
- the coach continues to play favourites
- we are no where near a top 4 side. To think any differently is simply stupid
- the season is shot so common sense is we start giving kids a go and just play them.
- but we are now hamstung a bit in that the blokes we need to get rid of who have trade value we need to continue playing so their value (and I use that term very loosely) remains steady
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It wasn't a development year 6 weeks ago
They were aiming top 4
Yes they were
But what the last 6 weeks has shown is
- that we have very little depth.
- we rely too heavily on the same players week after week = our best 6-7
- we cannot afford to have said best players all horrilby out of form at the same time or injured
- the coach continues to play favourites
- we are no where near a top 4 side. To think any differently is simply stupid
- the season is shot so common sense is we start giving kids a go and just play them.
- but we are now hamstung a bit in that the blokes we need to get rid of who have trade value we need to continue playing so their value (and I use that term very loosely) remains steady
Nearly all of those things have been obvious for years now.
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FB: Vlastuin - Elton - C Moore
HB: McIntosh - Astbury - Castagna
C: Menadue - Martin - Edwards
R: Maric - Townsend - Miles
HF: Short - Riewoldt - Rioli
FF: Deledio - McBean - Chol
Int: C Ellis - Grigg - Griffiths - Houli.
Thats ten of fourteen 18-21 yr olds. Atm maybe it is possible to play a large number of juniors. That side has about 9 changes to it so it won't happen.
Seriously
After watching Ivan last night
He is shot
Terrific fella but
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:facepalm
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If you listen to Chanel 7 we are in crisis and they had a live cross back to Punt Rd to see how the crisis was developing , it must be like the Cuban middle crisis.
I would suggest we need to take a deep breath and start planning for the future starting with recruitment because you can't turn horse manue into strawberry jam.
It might mean we need to find a recruiter like Cameron Clayton, Derrek Heinz etc as they seem to get it right more times than not and get their man, we don't seem to be able to A or B graders or kids that will become A or B graders
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What's funny is that we'll probably give them quite a run for their money given that there is NO EXPECTATION that we will win.
Although I don't fancy our chances without Rance (and Grimes!) who are integral to beating Hawthorn.
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If you listen to Chanel 7 we are in crisis and they had a live cross back to Punt Rd to see how the crisis was developing , it must be like the Cuban middle crisis.
I would suggest we need to take a deep breath and start planning for the future starting with recruitment because you can't turn horse manue into strawberry jam.
It might mean we need to find a recruiter like Cameron Clayton, Derrek Heinz etc as they seem to get it right more times than not and get their man, we don't seem to be able to A or B graders or kids that will become A or B graders
The seppos had nukes pointed at Moscow 70 years / just sayin
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The Barometer - Round 7
Herald-Sun
May 2, 2016
RICHMOND
ON THE BLOCK: When it rains it pours. Just when you think it can’t get any worse for this side, it does. Now 1-5 and with Hawthorn and Sydney on the horizon, an injury/suspension crisis kicks in. Alex Rance (suspended) misses again, Trent Cotchin is out for two with a fractured cheekbone and Kane Lambert has a punctured lung and fractured rib and won’t play for at least a month. Of those not injured, Tyrone Vickery was poor and could face the chop, first-year player Daniel Rioli was quiet and Ivan Maric had his worst game for some time.
ON THE CUSP: Expect Nick Vlastuin (knee) and Kamdyn McIntosh (cork) to be available. Meanwhile, the Tigers’ VFL team lost again, but a few hands went up in what was another reserves debacle after the unthinkable loss to Frankston a week earlier. Ben Griffiths was the side’s best player and could come in for Vickery. Taylor Hunt bounced back and Jacob Townsend was also among the notable performers on the day. Brett Deledio made a seamless return to the big time.
SAM EDMUND’S FORECAST: What more can you say? A weekly car crash that worsens by the week. Finals are everything but mathematically out of reach and now Hawthorn on the rebound awaits in another prime time game with nowhere to hide. Just what you want.
Damien Hardwick admitted the resurrections of the past two seasons gave him some hope, but it’s a desperately fading light at Punt Road.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/footy-form/barometer-afl-injury-list-selection-analysis-ahead-of-round-7/news-story/52c4151d5cbe4940e529b8ff7b35a18e
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Hunt , Townsend, Griffiths - yeah those inspiring inclusions would bring the fans pouring back through the gates...
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hope they get 40k to this game and 25k the week after.
Then we might see some change.
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Change will only happen if pressure is put on the board.
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Hunt , Townsend, Griffiths - yeah those inspiring inclusions would bring the fans pouring back through the gates...
You might not be far form the truth... :shh
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Change will only happen if pressure is put on the board.
Boycott. Eff em.
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Ground hog week.....
Out Lambert (ribs)
In Marcon
Would need upgrading
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We are in big big trouble people.
You are wong Dooks.
We are not in big big trouble.
When something is dead, it is not in trouble anymore. :whistle
(http://favoritememes.com/_nw/0/01658434.jpg)
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outs: cotch, lambert, hampson
Ins: vlastuin, grimes, Griffiths,
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ins- vfl team with Jack and Martin
outs- afl team and football department
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In the mix: round seven
Nathan Schmook
AFL.com.au
May 3, 2016
RICHMOND
Defenders Nick Vlastuin (knee) and Dylan Grimes (hamstring) are pushing to return from injury and add desperately needed reinforcements to an undermanned backline. Both trained on Tuesday and the club expects Vlastuin to face Hawthorn on Friday night. Grimes has missed four matches and appears less certain. He resumed kicking last week and trained with the main group on Tuesday.
It will be intriguing to see what approach the match committee takes and if more young players are given a chance. Young forward Jayden Short moved into defence in the VFL and won 26 possessions, while Kamdyn McIntosh is available after being a late omission last week.
Jacob Townsend is a ready-made inside midfield replacement for injured captain Trent Cotchin.
The Tigers would be considered unlikely to blood draftee Oleg Margov, who was an emergency last week, against the reigning premiers.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-05-03/in-the-mix-round-seven
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RP7 ? Is that ok
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Would like to see Markov
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Did he play in the VFL last week? Wasn't in McRae's summary....
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Did he play in the VFL last week? Wasn't in McRae's summary....
I saw him the week before and he looked miles away from AFL footy. Guys like Short, Lennon, Marcon (rookie I know) Chol, Butler, and even Broad are surely in front of him.
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Did he play in the VFL last week? Wasn't in McRae's summary....
I think he was kept out of the team as an emergency for the seniors.
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Did he play in the VFL last week? Wasn't in McRae's summary....
I think he was kept out of the team as an emergency for the seniors.
correct
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Did he play in the VFL last week? Wasn't in McRae's summary....
I think he was kept out of the team as an emergency for the seniors.
Yes - held back he was.
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Did he play in the VFL last week? Wasn't in McRae's summary....
I think he was kept out of the team as an emergency for the seniors.
Yes - held back he was.
Thankfully Morris was fit to play
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It wasn't a development year 6 weeks ago
They were aiming top 4
Yes they were
But what the last 6 weeks has shown is
- that we have very little depth.
- we rely too heavily on the same players week after week = our best 6-7
- we cannot afford to have said best players all horrilby out of form at the same time or injured
- the coach continues to play favourites
- we are no where near a top 4 side. To think any differently is simply stupid
- the season is shot so common sense is we start giving kids a go and just play them.
- but we are now hamstung a bit in that the blokes we need to get rid of who have trade value we need to continue playing so their value (and I use that term very loosely) remains steady
Still true
#sackhardwick