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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: mightytiges on May 21, 2007, 04:44:20 AM
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Last year there was the Bryce Gibbs cup. This week it's the Kevin Sheedy cup. The winner on Saturday gets Sheeds next year lol :whistle.
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ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm :shh
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Last year there was the Bryce Gibbs cup. This week it's the Kevin Sheedy cup. The winner on Saturday gets Sheeds next year lol :whistle.
The winner or the loser?
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Last year there was the Bryce Gibbs cup. This week it's the Kevin Sheedy cup. The winner on Saturday gets Sheeds next year lol :whistle.
The winner or the loser?
I don't want Sheeds at Richmond but if Essendon lose to us this week the fallout at Windy Hill will be massive. They will be at full strength while we have been hammered by injuries and are playing youth.
The Dons haven't won at game at the 'G this year and have lost everytime they have been favourite with the bookies. I hope we can run them off their feet. We need to hang in there to half-time and then hopefully finish over them.
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Last year there was the Bryce Gibbs cup. This week it's the Kevin Sheedy cup. The winner on Saturday gets Sheeds next year lol :whistle.
I am just getting over a nasty infection MT I don't nned a relapse
Just like we don't need Sheeds.
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We might have just killed the Sheeds back to Richmond talk. At 5-4 Essendon will re-sign him.
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Good, we don't want him anyway!
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Good, we don't want him anyway!
Can tell you that he is doing a better job than Terry Wallace as a coach.
For someone the most people here think is washed up and finished.
You might want to think again!
;)
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How about sheeds as coaching mentor to Michael Voss
:gotigers
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We might have just killed the Sheeds back to Richmond talk. At 5-4 Essendon will re-sign him.
You might find unless they finish top 2-3, He will move on ;) ;) ;)
Sauce is on the money here ;)
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We might have just killed the Sheeds back to Richmond talk. At 5-4 Essendon will re-sign him.
You might find unless they finish top 2-3, He will move on ;) ;) ;)
Sauce is on the money here ;)
They've got a 2010 plan at Essendon where they (their board) expect to win another flag by 2010 lol. Sheeds has topped up big time. Essendon is full of older players but this year they're injury-free and at the top of their game. They only had 4-5 kids last night. One or two twangs of the hammies to Hird or Lloyd and watch them fall away. In 2-3 years time their list will have major holes in it. Maybe Sheeds is planning to bail ;D and go out on one last finals campaign for Hirdy.
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We might have just killed the Sheeds back to Richmond talk. At 5-4 Essendon will re-sign him.
You might find unless they finish top 2-3, He will move on ;) ;) ;)
Sauce is on the money here ;)
Really? I thought if they didn't make the finals at all they'd move him on but who would complain with making the finals?
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Because it might be time to move on
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It might be the time........... :whistle :whistle
Because Sheeds feels a need to move?
Are you saying that if the Bummers offer him a new contract next week he'll say "thanks but no thanks I'm moving on"? Doubt it very much
Where would he like to go? ::) ::)
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The AFL will have a job lined up for him if he wants it.
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They may well have MT but is that what Sheeds really wants ::)
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They may well have MT but is that what Sheeds really wants ::)
Nup. He'd want to break Jock McHale's record and I'd reckon like Jock at the one club. I don't see him leaving. He loves Essendon. More wishful thinking by the same old faceless ones at Richmond :yawn.
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They may well have MT but is that what Sheeds really wants ::)
Nup. He'd want to break Jock McHale's record and I'd reckon like Jock at the one club. I don't see him leaving. He loves Essendon. More wishful thinking by the same old faceless ones at Richmond :yawn.
You know I am very tired (can one get jet lagged from flying Melb to Perth return in 1 day ???) but I have to say this ... :help
I am sick to death of these faceless people saying they care so much about this footy club. If they really cared then they wouldn't continue down the path of stirring and agendas of division that could and will tear this club apart yet again.
trust me I don't like losing - sick of it to be honest with you. But guess what I flew to Perth on SUnday and watched a really young team serve it up to one of the so called favourites in the comp. They played great footy and if what I witneseed yesterday is what we've got to look forward to then I reckon it's bloody exciting and I know I want to be part of it - do the faceless want to?
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They may well have MT but is that what Sheeds really wants ::)
Nup. He'd want to break Jock McHale's record and I'd reckon like Jock at the one club. I don't see him leaving. He loves Essendon. More wishful thinking by the same old faceless ones at Richmond :yawn.
Have you actually thought he might want a change of scenery.
And it might be time for Essendon to get a new coach.
Loving Essendon, gee you make heaps a assumptions.
He is a Ricmond Team of the Century player as is Merv keane and Matty Knights.. Wouldnt think the faceless people who ever they might be mighten be involved. What happens if wallace walks at years end when they havent won a game, now thats possible!
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They may well have MT but is that what Sheeds really wants ::)
Nup. He'd want to break Jock McHale's record and I'd reckon like Jock at the one club. I don't see him leaving. He loves Essendon. More wishful thinking by the same old faceless ones at Richmond :yawn.
Have you actually thought he might want a change of scenery.
And it might be time for Essendon to get a new coach.
Loving Essendon, gee you make heaps a assumptions.
He is a Ricmond Team of the Century player as is Merv keane and Matty Knights.. Wouldnt think the faceless people who ever they mighten be mighten be involved. What happens if wallace walks at years end when they havent won a game, now thats possible!
He barracked for the bombers growing up and has been there 27 years as coach. Hardly an assumption to say he loves Essendon. He's had plenty of chances to change scenery in that time especially to Richmond and in a final year of a contract but has always chosen Essendon.
Yep Wallace will walk away from a $$$ contract with still 2 years to go and a up and coming side. And you accuse me of making assumptions :rollin. I can't see Terry voluntarily quitting as a wooden spoon coach. His ego wouldn't allow it.
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Sheeds will know that when Hird, Lloyd, Fletcher, Johnson and co leave Essendon will be going backwards for a while. If Wallace does leave, the sheeds might say...well I'll have pick 1 and Ill have 17 and 18 and Ill get first dibs at the PSD and Ill have Deledio, Tambling and co. to work with...you never know, maybe he'll pick us right at the time when the club will really start to move forward, especially with the new early picks coming to the club.
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The timing would be right.
As for Terry walking, lets just wait and see.
He might concede that he isnt getting the best out of the current player group. If I remember right, he bailed out of the Western Bulldogs in a similar situation. ::)
Lets see what happens at years end if the dont win a game.
Just had a good look at the draw.
Port Adelaide round 15 and round 22 against the saints if this can still field a team, the saints that is. are the only winnable games i reckon.
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They may well have MT but is that what Sheeds really wants ::)
Nup. He'd want to break Jock McHale's record and I'd reckon like Jock at the one club. I don't see him leaving. He loves Essendon. More wishful thinking by the same old faceless ones at Richmond :yawn.
Have you actually thought he might want a change of scenery.
And it might be time for Essendon to get a new coach.
Loving Essendon, gee you make heaps a assumptions.
He is a Ricmond Team of the Century player as is Merv keane and Matty Knights.. Wouldnt think the faceless people who ever they mighten be mighten be involved. What happens if wallace walks at years end when they havent won a game, now thats possible!
He barracked for the bombers growing up and has been there 27 years as coach. Hardly an assumption to say he loves Essendon. He's had plenty of chances to change scenery in that time especially to Richmond and in a final year of a contract but has always chosen Essendon.
Yep Wallace will walk away from a $$$ contract with still 2 years to go and a up and coming side. And you accuse me of making assumptions :rollin. I can't see Terry voluntarily quitting as a wooden spoon coach. His ego wouldn't allow it.
I can tell you fact that is was RFC problem that he didnt go back 3 years ago, NOT SHEEDS!
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We had the second youngest and second least experienced (by a significant number) side on the weekend. Brisbane only below us by (4 months and 4 games on average less). Maybe Matthews should walk away too ::). That won't be the case in 2-3 years time and unlike the dogs in 2002 who were coming off a semi-successful period, we'll be increasing our resources not reducing them.
I'm more concerned of us winning more than 3 games in the second half of the year and losing our PP than zero wins especially if Simmo returns in a month's time so we're not annihlated around the stoppages.
Sheeds needs just 91 games to pass McHale. Lloyd and Lucas will last around that long.
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They may well have MT but is that what Sheeds really wants ::)
Nup. He'd want to break Jock McHale's record and I'd reckon like Jock at the one club. I don't see him leaving. He loves Essendon. More wishful thinking by the same old faceless ones at Richmond :yawn.
Have you actually thought he might want a change of scenery.
And it might be time for Essendon to get a new coach.
Loving Essendon, gee you make heaps a assumptions.
He is a Ricmond Team of the Century player as is Merv keane and Matty Knights.. Wouldnt think the faceless people who ever they mighten be mighten be involved. What happens if wallace walks at years end when they havent won a game, now thats possible!
He barracked for the bombers growing up and has been there 27 years as coach. Hardly an assumption to say he loves Essendon. He's had plenty of chances to change scenery in that time especially to Richmond and in a final year of a contract but has always chosen Essendon.
Yep Wallace will walk away from a $$$ contract with still 2 years to go and a up and coming side. And you accuse me of making assumptions :rollin. I can't see Terry voluntarily quitting as a wooden spoon coach. His ego wouldn't allow it.
I can tell you fact that is was RFC problem that he didnt go back 3 years ago, NOT SHEEDS!
He could have left in 87, 91, 97, 99, etc... when some at Essendon didn't want him but he stayed. He's a cunny fox ;).
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Yeah , he didnt leave , too busy winning premierships at the time
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They may well have MT but is that what Sheeds really wants ::)
Nup. He'd want to break Jock McHale's record and I'd reckon like Jock at the one club. I don't see him leaving. He loves Essendon. More wishful thinking by the same old faceless ones at Richmond :yawn.
Have you actually thought he might want a change of scenery.
And it might be time for Essendon to get a new coach.
Loving Essendon, gee you make heaps a assumptions.
He is a Ricmond Team of the Century player as is Merv keane and Matty Knights.. Wouldnt think the faceless people who ever they might be mighten be involved. What happens if wallace walks at years end when they havent won a game, now thats possible!
jack this is one situation were you are clearly wrong.
Sheeds couldnt give a stuff about richmond, and the only reason he would come back is if the bummers give him the ar$e. It is all a moot point anyway, because I can guarantee everyone in this forum, that even if plough loses every game from here on, he will be coach next year, and that is a fact !!!!
But as for sheedy, give me a break, the bummers are screwed, worse off than richmond even, in two years they are gunna spend probly 5 years on the bottom of the ladder, their best players are Michael ( 29 ) Lucas (30 ) Fletcher ( 32 ) LLoyd ( 29 ) JJ ( 29) Hird
( 34 ) Campo ( 32 ) their centre to centre line will be retired in 2 years and they have nothing, absolutely nothing coming through, Kepler Bradley makes Luke Mcguane look like Peter Knights. Absolutely screwed as a club, through poor recruiting, Sheeds is definetly not an improvement, he would be a step back, and that saying something from a club that hasnt won a game in 3 months.
Sheedy and the bummers deserve each other, lets hope they sign him up lonng term, absolutely screwed as a club , absolutely screwed.
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Maybe we should have a competition on OER to see who is right at the end of the season. Jack or Blaisee. Winner could get a big bottle of wine or something and huge wraps on OER (or in Jack's case a big apology).
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we will see
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Bring it on
I will just settle for jack admitting that he has a caro Wilson fetish !
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Bring it on
I will just settle for jack admitting that he has a caro Wilson fetish !
Who doesn't ;)
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and huge wraps on OER (or in Jack's case a big apology).
Whether he's right or wrong, why should anyone apologise to Jack.
FAT CHANCE
Been undermining the club all year, salivating at every loss lol
Pathetic!
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I believe change should happen. I cant see Wallace being a premiership coach the way he is coaching at the moment.
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I believe change should happen. I cant see Wallace being a premiership coach the way he is coaching at the moment.
It's a similar situation at the Saints at the moment, they've got the players capable of huge scores and free flowing football, but they have a coach wanting to get them to play a Sydney style.
Wallace came to us promising high scoring, fast, free flowing football. We just haven't got the team capable of it.
Eade is a coach who can actually adapt, his Swans were dour and employed the flood, his Dogs are high scoring and long kicking.
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and huge wraps on OER (or in Jack's case a big apology).
Whether he's right or wrong, why should anyone apologise to Jack.
FAT CHANCE
Been undermining the club all year, salivating at every loss lol
Pathetic!
Undermining, your kidding :lol
Pathetic, thats what you would describe a team that cant win a game . pathetic.
Now there are the spin doctors around saying we are the best bottom side they have seen in ages, give me a break!
Even Carlton can win a game.
Wallace has to go in my opinion and I would probably know a lot more than most of you. Enough said, subject closed
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I believe change should happen. I cant see Wallace being a premiership coach the way he is coaching at the moment.
Correct!
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I believe change should happen. I cant see Wallace being a premiership coach the way he is coaching at the moment.
It's a similar situation at the Saints at the moment, they've got the players capable of huge scores and free flowing football, but they have a coach wanting to get them to play a Sydney style.
Wallace came to us promising high scoring, fast, free flowing football. We just haven't got the team capable of it.
Eade is a coach who can actually adapt, his Swans were dour and employed the flood, his Dogs are high scoring and long kicking.
Correct again. at least some people have a fair idea of how football is played!
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and huge wraps on OER (or in Jack's case a big apology).
Whether he's right or wrong, why should anyone apologise to Jack.
FAT CHANCE
Been undermining the club all year, salivating at every loss lol
Pathetic!
You have to kidding dont you Moi.
We both know Jack and he is certainly a Tiger Fan.
Sure he has a Beef with the club, but he is free to say what he wants.
I highly doubt anything he has said all year is going to undermine the club.
Its what he hasnt said :shh
Wallace is walking on thin ice!!!!
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Sure he has a Beef with the club, but he is free to say what he wants.
Really? Hadn't noticed :rollin
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Sure he has a Beef with the club, but he is free to say what he wants.
Really? Hadn't noticed :rollin
Dont have a grudge actually.
Just sick of the club being run into the ground once again.
If you think it isnt the laughing stock of the comp, well thats your opinion.
Jakstar - take a holiday.
You're too angry mate.
Every post is a swipe at the club.
At least discuss issues that r tangible,ffs.
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i'd be careful there ox, might take a sipe at you next :lol
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i'd be careful there ox, might take a sipe at you next :lol
to be fair, jackstar doesn't really take swipes at other people on the site. If you challenge him, he doesn't really get personal.
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Your right there Gordon :thumbsup
Dont have a problem with anyone here actually although there is a small , actually extremely small minority who have issues with me, :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Your right there Gordon :thumbsup
Dont have a problem with anyone here actually although there is a small , actually extremely small minority who have issues with me, :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
:lol
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i'd be careful there ox, might take a sipe at you next :lol
to be fair, jackstar doesn't really take swipes at other people on the site. If you challenge him, he doesn't really get personal.
I wouldnt get personal on Jak - he's got too much on me :gobdrop and he knows it....
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Yeah , he didnt leave , too busy winning premierships at the time
Apart from 99 when they choked in the PF, the other years Sheeds was on thin ice were when the Bombers missed the finals.
Sheeds has had plenty of chances to come back to Richmond but like KB's hiatus most of us are over it and have moved on.
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i'd be careful there ox, might take a sipe at you next :lol
to be fair, jackstar doesn't really take swipes at other people on the site. If you challenge him, he doesn't really get personal.
I wouldnt get personal on Jak - he's got too much on me :gobdrop and he knows it....
:shh :yep :yep :yep :yep :yep
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i'd be careful there ox, might take a sipe at you next :lol
to be fair, jackstar doesn't really take swipes at other people on the site. If you challenge him, he doesn't really get personal.
I wouldnt get personal on Jak - he's got too much on me :gobdrop and he knows it....
:shh :yep :yep :yep :yep :yep
Hey, I got it on all of you, especially Bully :thumbsup
:rollin
Send me some more emails Bully :o
But we're above all that ain't we :lol
Leave that to the insecure on another network ;)
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i'd be careful there ox, might take a sipe at you next :lol
to be fair, jackstar doesn't really take swipes at other people on the site. If you challenge him, he doesn't really get personal.
I wouldnt get personal on Jak - he's got too much on me :gobdrop and he knows it....
:shh :yep :yep :yep :yep :yep
Hey, I got it on all of you, especially Bully :thumbsup
:rollin
Send me some more emails Bully :o
But we're above all that ain't we :lol
Leave that to the insecure on another network ;)
Better be careful Moi, you may get an annonomous phone call late at night.
Now that would be original!!!
I can send you plenty of emails if you like, what takes your fancy?
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I have posted on a number of different Richmond forums for a number of years now and I still get amazed at how many threads I read and sit back and think...
What the hell are they talking about.
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I can send you plenty of emails if you like, what takes your fancy?
Got so many good ones to last me a lifetime, Bully :lol
But thanks for the kind offer :rollin
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I have posted on a number of different Richmond forums for a number of years now and I still get amazed at how many threads I read and sit back and think...
What the hell are they talking about.
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It's a forsaken thing...a silent brotherhood built on a common hatred :cheers
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Have you actually thought he might want a change of scenery.
And it might be time for Essendon to get a new coach.
Loving Essendon, gee you make heaps a assumptions.
Sheeds wants a change of scenery. That's great :clapping
So if he wants a change and he says the change should be Richmond are we all supposed to jump up and down and shout with joy ::) ;D Don't think so.
Reality is that Sheeds has spent the last 27 years at Essendon - he is more Essendon than he is richmond these days.
He is a Ricmond Team of the Century player as is Merv keane and Matty Knights.. Wouldnt think the faceless people who ever they might be mighten be involved. What happens if wallace walks at years end when they havent won a game, now thats possible!
Firstly, I doubt Tezza will walk and I doubt that we will remain winless the entire year.
And what does the matter that Sheeds, Keane are Knights are team of the century members have to do with Sheeds possible wanting a change of scenery? IIRC Knights is currently contracted to the EFC and by extension the Bendigo Bombers.
And to honest with you Sheeds should know better than anyone how important unity, support and stability are to a footy club. He has been blessed at Essendon that he has had all of those things in truckloads. COnstant speculation and innuendo are of no benefit to any club
Just thinks its about time our Club had some of those things too - and those stirring in the back ground whoever they are should stop and think about that for a minute
:thumbsup
:gotigers
I can tell you fact that is was RFC problem that he didnt go back 3 years ago, NOT SHEEDS!
Every thought that the RFC didn't want him 3 years ago Jack ;) ;D
Sheeds couldnt give a stuff about richmond, and the only reason he would come back is if the bummers give him the ar$e. It is all a moot point anyway, because I can guarantee everyone in this forum, that even if plough loses every game from here on, he will be coach next year, and that is a fact !!!!
I think you maybe right blaisee
Maybe we should have a competition on OER to see who is right at the end of the season. Jack or Blaisee. Winner could get a big bottle of wine or something and huge wraps on OER (or in Jack's case a big apology).
Are you buying Julz ??? :rollin
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And to honest with you Sheeds should now better than anyone how important unity, support and stability are to a footy club. He has been blessed at Essendon that he has had all of those things in truckloads. COnstant speculation and innuendo are of no benefit to any club
:thumbsup
:gotigers
Important point. Wonder how he'd go in an environment of instability, not exactly cash-strapped and cloak and dagger fighting stuff behind his back.
You're right, he has been blessed. Even his time at Richmond was successful.
Sorry Kev, it's a totally new environment.
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I have posted on a number of different Richmond forums for a number of years now and I still get amazed at how many threads I read and sit back and think...
What the hell are they talking about.
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It's a forsaken thing...a silent brotherhood built on a common hatred :cheers
What he said, 1965 :lol
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Have you actually thought he might want a change of scenery.
And it might be time for Essendon to get a new coach.
Loving Essendon, gee you make heaps a assumptions.
Sheeds wants a change of scenery. That's great :clapping
So if he wants a change and he says the change should be Richmond are we all supposed to jump up and down and shout with joy ::) ;D Don't think so.
Reality is that Sheeds has spent the last 27 years at Essendon - he is more Essendon than he is richmond these days.
He is a Ricmond Team of the Century player as is Merv keane and Matty Knights.. Wouldnt think the faceless people who ever they might be mighten be involved. What happens if wallace walks at years end when they havent won a game, now thats possible!
Firstly, I doubt Tezza will walk and I doubt that we will remain winless the entire year.
And what does the matter that Sheeds, Keane are Knights are team of the century members have to do with Sheeds possible wanting a change of scenery? IIRC Knights is currently contracted to the EFC and by extension the Bendigo Bombers.
And to honest with you Sheeds should now better than anyone how important unity, support and stability are to a footy club. He has been blessed at Essendon that he has had all of those things in truckloads. COnstant speculation and innuendo are of no benefit to any club
Just thinks its about time our Club had some of those things too - and those stirring in the back ground whoever they are should stop and think about that for a minute
:thumbsup
:gotigers
I can tell you fact that is was RFC problem that he didnt go back 3 years ago, NOT SHEEDS!
Every thought that the RFC didn't want him 3 years ago Jack ;) ;D
Sheeds couldnt give a stuff about richmond, and the only reason he would come back is if the bummers give him the ar$e. It is all a moot point anyway, because I can guarantee everyone in this forum, that even if plough loses every game from here on, he will be coach next year, and that is a fact !!!!
I think you maybe right blaisee
Maybe we should have a competition on OER to see who is right at the end of the season. Jack or Blaisee. Winner could get a big bottle of wine or something and huge wraps on OER (or in Jack's case a big apology).
Are you buying Julz ??? :rollin
Reality is that we havent won a flag for 27 years.
We really need a radical changes.
In my opinion, I dont see anything different in the years say 2007 compared to 1989.-1993.
Yes, we had the youngest squads in 1989- to 1993 as well but went no where.. Pick 3 in 1993 was Justin Murphy and the big savoir of all was Stephen Jurica. at pick 26. ::) Promised so much but did little.
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But like then Jack we have little resources.
But I think the crop of players coming through is a lot better than they were then.
Kevin has all the resources at his disposal, he won't get that at Richmond.
He has been spoiled and he might get an awful shock when he gets back home ::)
And you of all people should know about the resources of the club.
How many people work gratis which a lot of his support network will be at the RFC.
You want monkeys, you pay them peanuts or not at all ;)
Totally different environment.
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Reality is that we havent won a flag for 27 years.
I know gawd I know
We really need a radical changes.
In my opinion, I dont see anything different in the years say 2007 compared to 1989.-1993.
Yes, we had the youngest squads in 1989- to 1993 as well but went no where.. Pick 3 in 1993 was Justin Murphy and the big savoir of all was Stephen Jurica. at pick 26. ::) Promised so much but did little.
I agree with Moi on this the group of kids we have now are far better than the Jurica's and Murphy's of the past. Asctually what those names prove is how bad our recruiting was back then.
I see massive differences between say 1989 and 2007 for one we aren't walking the streets rattling tins :whistle :thumbsup
As for radical changes - well I reckon we did that 3 years ago when we gave a coach of the RFC a 5 year contract - most radical thing we've done in 30 years. Fancy the RFC giving a coach (any coach) an extended period to try and turn things around. :gobdrop
Changing now half way through would not be radical it would be playing safe the RFC way - let's get rid of another one and that will fix everything ::) ::)
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Maybe we should have a competition on OER to see who is right at the end of the season. Jack or Blaisee. Winner could get a big bottle of wine or something and huge wraps on OER (or in Jack's case a big apology).
Are you buying Julz ??? :rollin
Would be a mistake - I'm a teetotaller :shh
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I have posted on a number of different Richmond forums for a number of years now and I still get amazed at how many threads I read and sit back and think...
What the hell are they talking about.
???
It's a forsaken thing...a silent brotherhood built on a common hatred :cheers
LMAO at the great forum wars of '03.
A forsaken splinter group rallying against the iron maiden. We lost a few good men (whatever happened to Boogie Knights, and that suicidal kid from the states).
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We lost a few good men (whatever happened to Boogie Knights, and that suicidal kid from the states).
Boogie is still on the airwaves, but not here :-X
Well, I don't think he's here lol
Who knows!
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Sheeds wants a change of scenery. That's great :clapping
So if he wants a change and he says the change should be Richmond are we all supposed to jump up and down and shout with joy ::) ;D Don't think so.
The same small minority at Richmond are acting like a poor old sod pining for an ex-love from their youth who hitched up with someone else a long time ago and has moved on :wallywink.
Reality is that we havent won a flag for 27 years.
We really need a radical changes.
One of the reasons we haven't won a flag for 27 years is because we always make radical changes in the hope of a short-term fix. Changing the board, admin, coach, etc isn't going to add 3-4 years worth of experience to our list overnight.
As for why we failed with the 89-93 young crop? Because we didn't bring another young crop through behind them and didn't have a clue how to use the draft. We always just topped up once we made the finals in 95 and overrated and overpaid our "best" players at the expense of the health of the rest of the list. We did the same again in 2001. Our most talented players recruited b/w 93 and 2003 fell into our lap as Father-Sons - Richo and Joel.
We've paid scant regard to the resources needed to be successful due to our poor finances and constant infighting and instability. Hard to concentrate on moving forward when you are always needing to watch your back :whistle. No way could we do what Essendon did over summer for Sheeds in regards to pouring $$$ into bringing in the best sports science can offer to Windy Hill. The Bombers are the only Vic club never to have faced the possibility of their club going under.
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The same small minority at Richmond are acting like a poor old sod pining for an ex-love from their youth who hitched up with someone else a long time ago and has moved on :wallywink.
Or maybe the sister of said sod ;)
:rollin
With the brother of said sod thinking, gee, I could get a job out of this from old Uncle Kevvie ;)
:rollin
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The same small minority at Richmond are acting like a poor old sod pining for an ex-love from their youth who hitched up with someone else a long time ago and has moved on :wallywink.
Or maybe the sister of said sod ;)
:rollin
With the brother of said sod thinking, gee, I could get a job out of this from old Uncle Kevvie ;)
:rollin
Ha, only if you knew.
Wouldnt worry about ""uncle Kevvie, he has won 5 more flags than Terry Wallet will ever win ;)
You all think Terry can coach, in my opinion he cant. I should have some knowledge of this dont you think.
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Sheeds wants a change of scenery. That's great :clapping
So if he wants a change and he says the change should be Richmond are we all supposed to jump up and down and shout with joy ::) ;D Don't think so.
The same small minority at Richmond are acting like a poor old sod pining for an ex-love from their youth who hitched up with someone else a long time ago and has moved on :wallywink.
Reality is that we havent won a flag for 27 years.
We really need a radical changes.
One of the reasons we haven't won a flag for 27 years is because we always make radical changes in the hope of a short-term fix. Changing the board, admin, coach, etc isn't going to add 3-4 years worth of experience to our list overnight.
As for why we failed with the 89-93 young crop? Because we didn't bring another young crop through behind them and didn't have a clue how to use the draft. We always just topped up once we made the finals in 95 and overrated and overpaid our "best" players at the expense of the health of the rest of the list. We did the same again in 2001. Our most talented players recruited b/w 93 and 2003 fell into our lap as Father-Sons - Richo and Joel.
We've paid scant regard to the resources needed to be successful due to our poor finances and constant infighting and instability. Hard to concentrate on moving forward when you are always needing to watch your back :whistle. No way could we do what Essendon did over summer for Sheeds in regards to pouring $$$ into bringing in the best sports science can offer to Windy Hill. The Bombers are the only Vic club never to have faced the possibility of their club going under.
You talk about radical changes, we honored Spuds contract didnt we.
And about resources, if we didnt overpay our senior coach and gave him half the salary eg Alistair Clackson, you wouldnt have the issues you mentioned in reagrds to $$$$$$
You talk about Essendon being the only club never to face the possiblity of going under, I wonder why ? I will tell you why, its properly run, there is my biggest beef. If you think that the Richmond Football Club is properly run, you have another thing coming. Across the board its poorly run!
Example being just ask a person you know who bought something at an auction last year ;) Enough said.
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But you see, Terry doesn't run the club, Jack, he's an employee.
I'm glad you see what he's up against :rollin
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and ppl say i go on and on about certain issues ::)
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and ppl say i go on and on about certain issues ::)
Agreed, bagging Terry for everything that goes wrong in this world is a tad tiresome ::)
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and ppl say i go on and on about certain issues ::)
Agreed, bagging Terry for everything that goes wrong in this world is a tad tiresome ::)
just the whole subject now is tired. whether u r 4 terry or against, just let it go and at yrs end we can discuss it again
i used to be all 4 terry, then by rnd 6 or so was dirty on him as i thought he lost the plot.
but the past 4 weeks he has won me over. he has coached pretty good with the kids and list he has. realistically, the ladder and wins mean nothing now, its all about game style. only Geelong uses the corridor more than us, and only by a small margin.
our game plan has held up the past 4 weeks, sure we haven't won , but thats not the game plans fault. lack of experience and crucial turnovers have cost us.
the last month could have been 4 wins for us, but for future list development, its best we lost them.
the bombers on the other hand, should not be bluffed as to where they sit . they have won 3 weeks in a row by default, never deserved the wins, but the footy gods were on their side. watch them crash and burn next yr.
ATM, i say just lets watch the kids develop and improve and forget who should coach us business next yr .
we may be last on the ladder but that means squat at this stage
we are doing pretty good in the clearances, apart from 1 1/2 games our defence has held up
we are no1 team from goals after kick outs
we are no 2 at using the corridor
all this with the 2nd youngest team in the AFL and no ruckmen
i know jack knows his stuff, but when he says terry has a weak game plan i am really starting to doubt that, as the above stats prove the game plan is sound. forget the ladder, whats not helping Terry's game plan is lack of experience and a couple of dud players and on top of that injuries.
we are ATM suffering from short term loss 4 long term gain
all we have to do is get rid of miller , not terry at this stage
don't care if we don't win a game this yr now as the yr is over, just care about our game style, and without looking at the score board, we cant really complain
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Yep, subject closed.
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ATM, i say just lets watch the kids develop and improve and forget who should coach us business next yr .
Top post X :clapping :thumbsup
Come November having picks 1, 17, 18 will be the gain for this year's pain.
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ATM, i say just lets watch the kids develop and improve and forget who should coach us business next yr .
Top post X :clapping :thumbsup
Come November having picks 1, 17, 18 will be the gain for this year's pain.
Typical Richmond luck would see us win a few games in the second half and miss out on the extra pick. The player then picked up with that draft pick would work out to be a gun!!!
Straight out of the Richmond histroy text book. :thumbsup
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Typical Richmond luck would see us win a few games in the second half and miss out on the extra pick. The player then picked up with that draft pick would work out to be a gun!!!
Straight out of the Richmond histroy text book. :thumbsup
That's why we must be very cautious with Simmo and Browny and make sure they are fully right before bringing them back into the seniors. Like around round 20 ;D. If we keep playing 14 cubs each week we should be okay. They gain AFL experience in competitive efforts and we keep our priority pick.
Shame it's not the old system with us looking like the only side which will get a PP. Imagine being able to get both Kreuzer (ruckman) and Cotchin (inside mid). Almost solve our main deficiencies in one hit.
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don't care if we don't win a game this yr now as the yr is over, just care about our game style, and without looking at the score board, we cant really complain
Excellent post xXx :clapping :clapping :clapping
:thumbsup
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A snippet from the Age's article on Sheeds' coaching future:
Sheedy's currency, thus, is limited outside of Windy Hill; his profile is worth more to Essendon than to its competitors. With Terry Wallace entrenched at Tigerland, that old chestnut — the Richmond option — isn't working for him this time.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/the-sheedy-conundrum/2007/06/28/1182624079146.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
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so jack, tell us
you were adamanent that wallet wil be gone at yrs end
whats the story
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Mate whats the point in posting the truth on here.
I have people like Moi bagging me for posting things they dont like and I get bagged.
Posted the Gary Cameron lunch with Gary March and I get bagged and now it comes out in media 2 months later, people say , Oh jack your right ::)
All I will say, i dont make things up
People can beleive in the tooth fairy as far as I am concerned.
As for Sheeds, if it wasnt for one certain person at the RFC 3 years ago, he would of been the coach now and not Wallet, this is fact not fiction. Beleive or dont beleive if you want.
Would think that Wallets on borrowed time, irrelevant what other posters want to beleive in!
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Mate whats the point in posting the truth on here.
I have people like Moi bagging me for posting things they dont like and I get bagged.
Posted the Gary Cameron lunch with Gary March and I get bagged and now it comes out in media 2 months later, people say , Oh jack your right ::)
All I will say, i dont make things up
People can beleive in the tooth fairy as far as I am concerned.
As for Sheeds, if it wasnt for one certain person at the RFC 3 years ago, he would of been the coach now and not Wallet, this is fact not fiction. Beleive or dont beleive if you want.
Would think that Wallets on borrowed time, irrelevant what other posters want to beleive in!
Jack, I don't care if you're right or wrong abut things - it's the damage you do to the club by spreading such gossip, whether it's right or wrong.
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How can it be gossip if its the facts.
I am not responsible for the recruiting, the spin doctoring ( liars to supporters) secret meetings,
players disharmony etc etc etc ::)
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How can it be gossip if its the facts.
I am not responsible for the recruiting, the spin doctoring ( liars to supporters) secret meetings,
players disharmony etc etc etc ::)
So is that the next headline in the Herald Sun?
You're mates with Sheehan's son, can you ask him for us?
It will do the club a world of good ::)
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Mates with lots of people, know Mike as well.
Funny thing is that Miller was at Mikes 60th
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Mates with lots of people, know Mike as well.
Funny thing is that Miller was at Mikes 60th
What a chummy little group you are ::)
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Yeah, Miller and Mike best mates ::)
The plot thickens
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Mates with lots of people, know Mike as well.
Funny thing is that Miller was at Mikes 60th
What a chummy little group you are ::)
i was at his 60th too, and i hate the bloke lol
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Ha, you werent,? where was it held then ? I was there.
Lets all move on shell we.
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Ha, you werent,? where was it held then ? I was there.
Lets all move on shell we.
u know i was not there
was joking
but, u say terry will be gone
if mike sheahan is so close to greg and terry , why is it he continually writes that terry is safe as houses
who is lying
you or mike
and if either of u are lying, what is the reason
u to screw terry
or mike to save terry
spill the beans jack
u want us all to move on, but we dont want to, u started all this so end it by spilling the beans
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Last 5 seasons coaching winning percentages. Not much difference b/w Sheeds and Wallace.
Worsfold 63.6
Roos 61.5
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Sheeds 43.6
Wallace 41.8
Clarkson 39.3*
Pagan 25.5
* 3 seasons
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:whistle
Sign Sheedy now, says ex-Dons boss
10 July 2007 Herald Sun
Mark Stevens
POWERFUL former Essendon chairman Graeme McMahon has poured fuel on the Kevin Sheedy debate, urging the club to re-sign the veteran coach.
"My personal view would be, you'd bring it on and finish it," McMahon said last night.
McMahon is astounded by continued speculation about Sheedy, declaring he is yet to hear any evidence to prove he should be sacked.
Rest of article at: http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22047262%255E19742,00.html
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I'd probably wait and see how the Bombers handle their very tough 5 weeks before i'd sign up Sheeds.
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Sheedy's age of reason
12 July 2007 Herald Sun
Mark Robinson
FOR the first time, there's an air of vulnerability about Kevin Sheedy – from Kevin Sheedy.
A press conference yesterday was supposed to be about the Essendon coach passing the games record of legendary Collingwood player and coach, Jock McHale. Instead, it was more about his clouded future than his brilliant past.
After much prompting, Sheedy eventually wondered whether the club might want a new, younger coach at year's end.
"They may want to look at different things and different aspects of where footy is going," Sheedy said.
"This club has got its reasons and their foresight, they want to think clearly through whether they should appoint maybe another younger coach, they've got to work all that stuff out."
As much as yesterday was a reflection, there was the occasional reminder -- to the board or to any detractors -- that there was fight in the ol' Tiger yet.
He mentioned iconic American football coach Vince Lombardi and World Cup hero Guus Hiddink, both late-age coaching supremos, and reckoned Graeme McMahon -- his former Bombers chairman, Prahran teammate and close friend who urged the club to re-sign him -- was a wise footy man.
"Graeme McMahon knows . . . it's very difficult to find a good coach, most clubs struggle to find good coaches and that can get teams in finals," he said.
"But I'm not here to create a debate about that, what happens by Round 22 happens and you move on."
Full article at: http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22059296%255E19742,00.html
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Sheeds doesn't sound like someone who wants to leave Essendon. Ball in the Bombers' board's hands.
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Well what a surprise it is ... the games have begun.
Why I feel we've heard it all before.........
the jockeying for position ....
Give me a break.......... :banghead :banghead
I can just see the "faceless ones" salivating at today's newspapers
As I said the games have begun :sleep :sleep
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Sheedy was on the Footy Show tonight. He said he enjoyed coaching twice as much as his playing days. He also said he wouldn't resign and would prefer to get the sack if push came to shove.
Richo said a number of Richmond people over the years have talked about the idea of Sheeds coaching Richmond. Richo asked Sheeds if he had ever been approached to coach Richmond and Sheeds said once in 1999 when both clubs' coaching positions were open. Sheeds said when you've lost a final to Carlton by a kick he couldn't leave Essendon and it payed off as they won the flag the following year.
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Who wrote this article in the Herald-Sun? It doesn't say on the net but whoever it is is still peddling the Sheeds to Richmond line.
End the Sheedy charade
July 17, 2007 12:00am
Then it's West Coast at Subiaco, and after that he might be gone for good, although Terry Wallace might start worrying if Sheedy's on the market. That whole Tigers-Sheeds thing still lives, but that's another story.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22086833-11088,00.html
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Mark Robinson wrote the article ;)
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Mark Robinson wrote the article ;)
Ta Jack.
You've got to love the hanging line = nothing to back it up. More likely the usual heresay spread by the usual nostalgic old tools :sleep.
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Mark Robinson wrote the article ;)
Ta Jack.
You've got to love the hanging line = nothing to back it up. More likely the usual heresay spread by the usual nostalgic old tools :sleep.
Hahahaha! ;)
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Mark Robinson wrote the article ;)
Ta Jack.
You've got to love the hanging line = nothing to back it up. More likely the usual heresay spread by the usual nostalgic old tools :sleep.
Hahahaha! ;)
::) ;)
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Mark Robinson wrote the article ;)
Ta Jack.
You've got to love the hanging line = nothing to back it up. More likely the usual heresay spread by the usual nostalgic old tools :sleep.
Hahahaha! ;)
::) ;)
I wasn't calling you a nostalgic old tool Jack lol :wallywink. More the usual faceless idiots at RFC who are still living in the 70's ::).
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Mark "i'll make up a story even if there isn't one" Robinson
Read the entire article and you'll find that he has his facts wrong regarding the Bombers and he supports them ::) ::)
Sad he doesn't know who the previous Chairman was before the current one - Robinson says McMahon but IIRC the previous Chairman was McKissnock (sp?)
Get ya facts straight fool
About as much creditibility as cow dung
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Mark "i'll make up a story even if there isn't one" Robinson
Read the entire article and you'll find that he has his facts wrong regarding the Bombers and he supports them ::) ::)
Sad he doesn't know who the previous Chairman was before the current one - Robinson says McMahon but IIRC the previous Chairman was McKissnock (sp?)
Get ya facts straight fool
About as much creditibility as cow dung
Mark got one of my vilest emails I've ever sent anyone - believe me it was good lol - after he bagged Jack Dyer once.
Cretin :wallywink
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Curious as to what people think about Sheedy coming back to Richmond as a Chairman of selectors or Football operations manager next year when he gets the flick from Essendon?
Could it be possible?
Could their ego's both fit at Punt Road?
Interested in people's opinion.
I would think Miller would have to go if this happenend.
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That would be a great outcome for the club, and it would keep me happy lol
I don't know whether they like or respect each other or not, so wouldn't know if they could work together.
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Curious as to what people think about Sheedy coming back to Richmond as a Chairman of selectors or Football operations manager next year when he gets the flick from Essendon?
Could it be possible?
Could their ego's both fit at Punt Road?
Interested in people's opinion.
I would think Miller would have to go if this happenend.
I could live with that, not sure if TW could.
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Miller wont be there, gone.
Wouldnt think the Sheeds and Plough are best of friends.
Wouldnt work, good try birdy!
Used car salesman and a plumber ? Nah
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That would be a great outcome for the club, and it would keep me happy lol
I don't know whether they like or respect each other or not, so wouldn't know if they could work together.
Would be terriffic! :lol
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Miller wont be there, gone.
So you are saying this as fact Jack or are you speculating
Not having a go - just curious
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Miller wont be there, gone.
So you are saying this as fact Jack or are you speculating
Not having a go - just curious
I don't think Jack "knows" Jack but he does know people that know people...
He is just speculumating
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Miller wont be there, gone.
So you are saying this as fact Jack or are you speculating
Not having a go - just curious
I don't think Jack "knows" Jack but he does know people that know people...
He is just speculumating
Yeah, but it could be an easy guess too. The heat is on Miller over the Tambling/Franklin/Roughead stuff, so why wouldn't he be under pressure?
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Miller wont be there, gone.
So you are saying this as fact Jack or are you speculating
Not having a go - just curious
Common knowledge that the tiges ( Gary March) has spoken to Cameron at melbourne.
Caro even reported that 8 weeks ago.
""Rumour "" is that the honeymoon period is over and if changes arent made at season end, the broom might sweep.
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Common knowledge that the tiges ( Gary March) has spoken to Cameron at melbourne.
Caro even reported that 8 weeks ago.
Well yeah that's true - it was even alluded to at the members Cocktail party by Stephen Wright. I think you may find that adding a Craig Cameron doesn't necessarily mean someone else gets the chop. You may find we are upsizing not culling ;D :D ;) Well that's what Stephen Wirght said on the night
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my mail was right about Cameron then.
Was bagged big time when I reported that 2 months ago about someone having lunch with him ::)
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my mail was right about Cameron then.
Was bagged big time when I reported that 2 months ago about someone having lunch with him ::)
Look at me, Look at me!!!
Get a life Jackstar
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my mail was right about Cameron then.
Was bagged big time when I reported that 2 months ago about someone having lunch with him ::)
Well he didn't say Cameron - just that we (RFC) would be adding to the Footy department in 2008 especially in the area of recruiting - not just extra $$$ but extra people
Not rocket science ;D
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my mail was right about Cameron then.
Was bagged big time when I reported that 2 months ago about someone having lunch with him ::)
Look at me, Look at me!!!
Get a life Jackstar
Mate you get alife, I post factual stuff on here and I get bagged, if you dont like, dont read, very simple.
I told people here what was going on eight weeks ago and people say I am a tool, we know who the tools are.
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my mail was right about Cameron then.
Was bagged big time when I reported that 2 months ago about someone having lunch with him ::)
Look at me, Look at me!!!
Get a life Jackstar
Mate you get alife, I post factual stuff on here and I get bagged, if you dont like, dont read, very simple.
I told people here what was going on eight weeks ago and people say I am an tool, we know who the tools are.
The difference between me and you is that I don't have an axe to grind.
You are using this forum for a purpose I don't like.
As I said GET A LIFE.
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What reporting the truth.
If you want to listen to crap, you know where to find all the spin doctors.
Mate, i am really concerned where this club is headed.
Not good
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Stick to the topic folks :thumbsup
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The topic: Sheeds and TW working together.
It ain't gunna happen.
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The topic: Sheeds and TW working together.
It ain't gunna happen.
and getting people to stick to the topic is doubtful as well
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I can't see Terry and Sheeds working together especially as a coach chairman of selectors relationship. Two characters who may not see eye to eye and the dynamics between them would be volatile and perhaps distabilising to the rest of the selection panel and the players.
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D-day looms for Kevin Sheedy
18 July 2007 Herald Sun
Mark Robinson
D-DAY looms for Kevin Sheedy at a board meeting next week.
The long-time Essendon coach's future will be discussed - if not decided - by 10 directors at a board meeting chaired by Ray Horsburgh.
The club had planned to discuss whether Sheedy should continue into his 28th season at its monthly meeting in August, but it is believed Horsburgh will put it on the agenda a month early.
It is likely a decision will be made, but not made public until after the season. Complicating the issue is the fact if Essendon sacks Sheedy it will have to officially begin its search for a new coach.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22093282%255E20322,00.html
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Old School into basketball crap doesn't go ;). Sheeds says he still wants to coach as well.
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Sheeds will coach in his own right, where is the question
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Sheeds will coach in his own right, where is the question
fremantle! thats where
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isn't mark harvey meant to be the next AFL coach in waiting
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Sheeds will coach in his own right, where is the question
Melbourne or Carlton
Can see (D)ick Pratt gong after someone like Sheeds
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All the talk in the media has Sheeds gone. The "powerful at Essendon" must have got the bombers recent draft history comments off OER lol ;).
But the powerful at Essendon aren't ignoring, either, that 14 of the team when it last resembled something like Essendon's best 22 — the combination that met Geelong in round 14 — were on an Essendon list in 2003.
James Hird, Dustin Fletcher, David Hille, Andrew Welsh, Mark and Jason Johnson, Jason Laycock, Scott Lucas, Adam McPhee, Mark McVeigh, Damien Peverill, Adam Ramanauskas, Jobe Watson and Courtney Johns were all at Windy Hill four years ago at the least, as were Matthew Lloyd and Jason Winderlich, who were unable to be out on the Telstra Dome turf for the occasion of Hird's 250th game.
That is not a team so radically overhauled between 2003 and 2007 as to justify the sort of Essendon downturn of the last three or four years that is attributed in this draft-literate era to rebuilding. Moreover, the improvement this year, apart from the impressive Paddy Ryder and Alwyn Davey, has been inspired by the return of a 29-year-old champion full-forward and the arrival of a now 30-year-old full-back for whom today is their time, not tomorrow.
Sheedy said yesterday that he thought Essendon might next be able to seriously contend in 2010. "I think that's about the right time … we made a decision a year-and-a-half ago to change the list and work through and recruit … we've had probably something like 50 per cent player turnover," he said.
But he must know that Hird, Fletcher, the Johnsons, Lucas, Peverill and Lloyd are likely to have slipped into retirement by then, if not earlier, taking with them their medals, premierships and sundry honours.
http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/essendons-sheedy-dilemma/2007/07/18/1184559866682.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
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Sheeds knows he wont be at windy hill next year ;)
Has known for about 2 months
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Sheeds knows he wont be at windy hill next year ;)
Has known for about 2 months
I'm sorry but I really did enjoy this forum a lot more before your arrival.
Go back to PRE
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Sheeds knows he wont be at windy hill next year ;)
Has known for about 2 months
I'm sorry but I really did enjoy this forum a lot more before your arrival.
Go back to PRE
Been here for 3 years .
Obvisously someone is ""winding you up"" about me, get a life teach
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Sheeds knows he wont be at windy hill next year ;)
Has known for about 2 months
I'm sorry but I really did enjoy this forum a lot more before your arrival.
Go back to PRE
Been here for 3 years .
Obvisously someone is ""winding you up"" about me, get a life teach
Your profile says "Date registered: June 30, 2007, 07:45:51 am"
So if you have been here for three years you were under a different name.
Care to tell us?
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I will care to tell you.
I am been registered here for 3 years.
I get the poos will posters like you and deregister, have done 3 times, so whats your problem :o
Anyway, you PM me saying that your sorry for personal insults and then 3 days later you start again.
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Sheeds back at punt rd with crazy john.
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Sheeds back at punt rd with crazy john.
Anything is possible, you never know
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I will care to tell you.
I am been registered here for 3 years.
I get the poohs will posters like you and deregister, have done 3 times, so whats your problem :o
Anyway, you PM me saying that your sorry for personal insults and then 3 days later you start again.
It wasn't a "personal" insult.
Just a reflection on how I found the forum.
and as for quoting PMs that is a very PRE/Rosy thing to do.
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Sheeds back at punt rd with crazy john.
Good old Mr Crazy - Sheeds would be off his rocker to align with that ego driven man.
It will be a very sad day for the RFC if Mr Crazy ever I ever takes charge.
Sadder too if Sheeds gets sucked in by him - don't stoop to his level Sheeds. If you care about the Club you wont goo down the path of being part of the ripping it apart. You know the sort of stuff that's kept you away for the last 20 odd years
I think people know my feelings on the bloke but let me just add this. I heard MR crazy on the radio the other week after he signed as Major sponsor of the SOuth Dragons. He went about how much he was going to put into the Dragons and it was on par with what he tips into the RFC as a sponsor - in 3 words - not even close. Apart from nearly drving off the road listening to his drivel it just re-inforced my view that he doesn't care about this Footy club - never has never will - his priority is his ego and wallet
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I will care to tell you.
I am been registered here for 3 years.
I get the poohs will posters like you and deregister, have done 3 times, so whats your problem :o
Anyway, you PM me saying that your sorry for personal insults and then 3 days later you start again.
It wasn't a "personal" insult.
Just a reflection on how I found the forum.
and as for quoting PMs that is a very PRE/Rosy thing to do.
Well, i didnt send you a PM , you sent me one ::)
Whats this got to do with other forum anyway ? You seem enfactuated with the other forum, go back there. if you allowed that is ;)
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I will care to tell you.
I am been registered here for 3 years.
I get the poohs will posters like you and deregister, have done 3 times, so whats your problem :o
Anyway, you PM me saying that your sorry for personal insults and then 3 days later you start again.
It wasn't a "personal" insult.
Just a reflection on how I found the forum.
and as for quoting PMs that is a very PRE/Rosy thing to do.
Well, i didnt send you a PM , you sent me one ::)
Whats this got to do with other forum anyway ? You seem enfactuated with the other forum, go back there. if you allowed that is ;)
Already there under two different names but not this one.
This one will never see the light of a rosy day I fear.
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I will care to tell you.
I am been registered here for 3 years.
I get the poohs will posters like you and deregister, have done 3 times, so whats your problem :o
Anyway, you PM me saying that your sorry for personal insults and then 3 days later you start again.
It wasn't a "personal" insult.
Just a reflection on how I found the forum.
and as for quoting PMs that is a very PRE/Rosy thing to do.
Well, i didnt send you a PM , you sent me one ::)
Whats this got to do with other forum anyway ? You seem enfactuated with the other forum, go back there. if you allowed that is ;)
Already there under two different names but not this one.
This one will never see the light of a rosy day I fear.
2 names???
Could that be counted as stalking?
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Good point there Birdy, its on the verge of stalking I would think.
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I will care to tell you.
I am been registered here for 3 years.
I get the poohs will posters like you and deregister, have done 3 times, so whats your problem :o
Anyway, you PM me saying that your sorry for personal insults and then 3 days later you start again.
It wasn't a "personal" insult.
Just a reflection on how I found the forum.
and as for quoting PMs that is a very PRE/Rosy thing to do.
Well, i didnt send you a PM , you sent me one ::)
Whats this got to do with other forum anyway ? You seem enfactuated with the other forum, go back there. if you allowed that is ;)
Already there under two different names but not this one.
This one will never see the light of a rosy day I fear.
I think she would have you covered 1965.
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If John Ilhan pays out Wallace and the club suffers no financial pain as a result of Wallace leaving, then everything should be put on the agenda. As for sheedy, it will only be acceptable to me if he comes back with someone like Chris Bond clearly stated as the person who will takeover beyond a 2 year Sheedy tenure.
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Ramps, have you been reading my emails, lol :o:shh
Right theory, although CB should be MK :shh
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If John Ilhan pays out Wallace and the club suffers no financial pain as a result of Wallace leaving, then everything should be put on the agenda. As for sheedy, it will only be acceptable to me if he comes back with someone like Chris Bond clearly stated as the person who will takeover beyond a 2 year Sheedy tenure.
Trust me ramps when I say we don't want Mr Crazy ruinning the show at the RFC. If you think him paying out any form of contract would not come with conditions you are fooling yourself. Trust me if he gets involved there will be financial pain - long term.
Jack - as for CB being MK - not good for the RFC either IMHO - :shh
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Sheedy wouldn't coach Carlton surely. Now if that happened, that'd be total desperation on Sheedy's part.
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Sheedy wouldn't coach Carlton surely. Now if that happened, that'd be total desperation on Sheedy's part.
Well I think the idea that maybe Sheeds can ride in on his white stead and coach the RFC is a bit desperate too.
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So Jack will Mark Harvey stay on at Freo or will go to Essendon or somewhere else?
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So Jack will Mark Harvey stay on at Freo or will go to Essendon or somewhere else?
Depends what happens at Geelong :shh
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Are you saying that Essendon are lining up Bomber Thompson?
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jack, can yu please tell me what MK has achieved in his coaching career,
he failed at port adelaide and got the sack, and then he has failed at bendigo, thye wont make the finals.
SOunds like a perfect resume to get a plum job at the tigers ::)
The fact that he loves the tigers should have zero input on him gettinga job at tigerland.
He is NOT what we need at all
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Hey Jack,
Did you write the summary for this week on Footy Rocks :lol
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I can confirm there is no chance, absolutely none of Wallet getting the ar@se.
Can also confirm there is no chance, none that sheeds will be back at tigerland.
Cannot confirm Millers future though, he wont be sacked, he may resign though, his powerbase has been diluted, and he has being held accountable for his "performance"
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So Jack will Mark Harvey stay on at Freo or will go to Essendon or somewhere else?
Depends what happens at Geelong :shh
Another Jacko Bomb just got thrown out into the big bad world of the internet.
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Sheeds will coach in his own right, where is the question
i while back u said tery wont be around next yr and sheeds will be coaching us, now u r saying he will coach in his own right , where is the question
let me guess
freo
carlton
richmond
tac
unders 12's
bingo
where is the question
my bet
sheeds will still be at essendon
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Co-Coaches?
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Can tell you that he is the preferred option at Windy Hill, although if the cats make the Grand Final , that plan is out the door.
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???
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Can tell you that he is the preferred option at Windy Hill, although if the cats make the Grand Final , that plan is out the door.
Bomber Thompson would be mad to leave Geelong to only start again with an aging list at Essendon.
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Sheeds will coach in his own right, where is the question
Melbourne or Carlton
Can see (D)ick Pratt gong after someone like Sheeds
As much as I hate them it would be a good time to take over as coach at Carlton. Pratt will provide the dough and stability and you'll have a 1-2 year honeymoon period to clean out their older duds and bring in top youngsters via the draft to add to Murphy, Gibbs, Kennedy, Waite, etc... The rebuilding "process is already underway at Carlton unlike other sides who are/may be looking for a new coach. You'll know you'll also be getting Kreuzer without needing to lift a finger.
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If he doesnt make the Grand Final, he will get shown the Princess Highway anyway,.
He is the Bombers preferred option
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If he doesnt make the Grand Final, he will get shown the Princess Highway anyway,.
He is the Bombers preferred option
That would involve a major split of the Geelong triumvirate - Costa, Cook and Thompson. It didn't break up last year when you would've expected it to.
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Was talking to some Essendon mates tonight so I mentioned some of the theories going around about Sheedy. They just scoffed at them. Said Sheedy wouldn't be going anyway. Even after I told them that it came from a reliable source from Essendon.
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Sheedy doesnt expect contract to be renewed at Windy Hill
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If he doesnt make the Grand Final, he will get shown the Princess Highway anyway,.
He is the Bombers preferred option
If the Cats keep playing like they did in the first quarter/half last night no one will get near them and they'll make Thompson the mayor of Geelong for life. Awesome footy. Almost an exact copy of what they did to us.
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Co-Coaches?
It's been mentioned that Freo might go down that path but I can't see that working either. Eventually someone has to take responsibility and make a final decision on moves etc... What happens if the co-coaches disagree which is most likely at some stage. Even if it is a mentor role, a senior coach wouldn't like someone else looking over their shoulder all the time. It didn't do much good at Hawthorn with Parkin and Schwab.
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Trust me ramps when I say we don't want Mr Crazy ruinning the show at the RFC. If you think him paying out any form of contract would not come with conditions you are fooling yourself. Trust me if he gets involved there will be financial pain - long term.
Jack - as for CB being MK - not good for the RFC either IMHO - :shh
I was checking out the VFL Record on the web and there's a photo of Crazy John with the Northern Bullants as one of their main sponsors. He gets around :whistle.
SEN last night were saying there's wraps on MK but his record as coach at Port and now Bendigo is pretty dismal.
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Big wraps actually
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Big wraps actually
Yawn
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matty knights will coach in his own right one day.
At least he played the game with passion and had a go.
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matty knights will coach in his own right one day.
At least he played the game with passion and had a go.
that i agree with 100% and i hope he coaches us, not sheedy
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If he doesnt make the Grand Final, he will get shown the Princess Highway anyway,.
He is the Bombers preferred option
het jack, i have mail for you ;)
my mail is bomber will leave geelong whether they win a premiership or not. was told this by very very high profile ex cat player who is worshipped at geelong. this player is a good mate of mine, and he knocked back assistant coaching roles because he cant stand bomber.
now for a bit more jiuce, this ex geelong player and michael voss will be working together in future ;) :shh
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well that just proves xXx i dont liar
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well that just proves xXx i dont liar
never said u r a liar, have only asked for u to back up what u know or hear.
thats all, just back it up and give us something concrete
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I would get ""hung "" if I revealed sources
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I would get ""hung "" if I revealed sources
...and we wouldn't want that, would we.
:cheers
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I would get ""hung "" if I revealed sources
Well we know Harvs is a mate, so on an educated guess....
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well that just proves xXx i dont liar
never said u r a liar, have only asked for u to back up what u know or hear.
thats all, just back it up and give us something concrete
Oh and hearing and spreading heresay from the friend of a friend, who's girlfriend is the cousin of the uncle who works at another club is giving us something concrete.
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I would get ""hung "" if I revealed sources
Then why do it?
You get stuff from "friends?" - they must ask you to put this stuff on message boards otherwise why would they tell you?
Oh surely not because they trust you wouldn't divulge ::)
Or you just say, stuff that friendship because I can be a big hero to the masses by saying "you heard it here first, folks"
Something really screwy in a guy who would do that!
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I would get ""hung "" if I revealed sources
Then why do it?
You get stuff from "friends?" - they must ask you to put this stuff on message boards otherwise why would they tell you?
Oh surely not because they trust you wouldn't divulge ::)
Or you just say, stuff that friendship because I can be a big hero to the masses by saying "you heard it here first, folks"
Something really screwy in a guy who would do that!
Its common knowledge in most cases anyway.
So whats the problem?
Your funny, you say to the masses ?
Wouldnt think a website would be to the masses, would say a very small minority group.
RFC 30,000 members, supporters on internets site less than 1,000 here
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Its common knowledge in most cases anyway.
So whats the problem?
Your funny, you say to the masses ?
Wouldnt think a website would be to the masses, would say a very small minority group.
RFC 30,000 members, supporters on internets site less than 1,000 here
Then there shouldn't be a problem in revealing your sources if it's common knowledge.
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I would get ""hung "" if I revealed sources
true , u would be, but i come from a world where "omerta" is part of life, if u say pm;d me in confidence , i would take whatever u said to the grave, it would not get out at all
but i understand what u mean
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Jewell calls on Sheedy
22 July 2007 Sunday Herald Sun
Jackie Epstein
FORMER Richmond premiership coach Tony Jewell has urged his old club to lure Kevin Sheedy back as a coaching sidekick for Terry Wallace.
Like the style that Carlton employed with David Parkin and Wayne Brittain in 1999, Jewell said Sheedy's experience would be invaluable at Punt Rd.
"Obviously Sheedy's a favourite son and if we can get him back to help us in some way it would be fantastic," Jewell said.
"That would be fantastic if Terry would accept it. If Sheedy could help us then I'm sure we'd welcome him back with open arms.
"You'd certainly have to bounce it off Terry. I don't know him well enough to know how he'd cope with sharing the glory. But if he was free he'd be a great help."
Jewell played in the 1967 premiership side and had two stints as coach, winning a flag during his first in 1980.
He said the team needed to rebuild and Wallace deserved time to finish what he had started.
"We've got a lot of work to do. You've got to have the cattle and just Kevin turning up is not going to wave the magic wand," Jewell said.
"There's a lot of hard work to do in terms of recruiting and getting the right players in the place."
Four-time premiership coach David Parkin mooted a possible union between Sheedy and Mark Harvey for Fremantle.
Parkin described his arrangement with Brittain which led the side to the 1999 Grand Final as a super initiative.
An Essendon board meeting to discuss Sheedy's future will be held this week.
www.essendonfc.com.au/main.asp
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22112343%255E19742,00.html
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Well, well, well.
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Can tell you thats 1,000,000-1 of that happening. It aint going to happen. They dont talk
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Jack
You seem to know what is going on.
Could the about to be vacant position on the AFL commision be a possibilty for Sheeds?
:Cool
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Now there's a thought. Or even better still, somehow get rid of Adrian Anderson and puts Sheeds in his place and get the game back to where it should be.
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Jack
You seem to know what is going on.
Could the about to be vacant position on the AFL commision be a possibilty for Sheeds?
:Cool
Sheeds wants to coach for another 5 years.
If he went to another club, he would take an an assistant who he would had over the reins to eventually and mentor.
he wouldnt work with a Terry wallace type but more of a younger coach
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the thing the club has to decide is is Wallace coaching and developing his team well enough to succeed at some point over the next 3 or 4 years- if its yes then theyll keep him if its no then they may show him the door.
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the thing the club has to decide is is Wallace coaching and developing his team well enough to succeed at some point over the next 3 or 4 years- if its yes then theyll keep him if its no then they may show him the door.
Great post Ramps, would think its more the latter at the present.
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the thing the club has to decide is is Wallace coaching and developing his team well enough to succeed at some point over the next 3 or 4 years- if its yes then theyll keep him if its no then they may show him the door.
Great post Ramps, would think its more the latter at the present.
is that what u think or what u know?
if it is the latter, who will pay him out coz i think crazy john is fos
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I think TJ is going senile - fancy comparing Wallace and Sheedy with Parkin and Brittain. There are no parallels.
The thing with Wallace is there is no chance of us playing finals footy in the next two seasons, unless everything fell our way (form, injuries, the draw) and we snuck in 7th or 8th in 2009.
I reckon the club would be better off drawing a line in the sand and comitting FULLY to rebuilding. That means no P. Bowdens/Kingsleys etc by matter of principle it means not trading away or downgrading rnd 1 or 2 picks - i.e. no Polak's either. Throw everything at getting the very best kids we can over the next couple of years. Tell the coach his aim is for us to have the best list under 23 by the end of 2009. That is ambitious, but its not a cop out like this 2011 business and at least it gives Terry something to aim for. I'm less than impressed with his record of developiong young players and on that basis alone I could see better men for the job, but we can't afford to pay him out of our pocket.
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I think TJ is going senile - fancy comparing Wallace and Sheedy with Parkin and Brittain. There are no parallels.
The thing with Wallace is there is no chance of us playing finals footy in the next two seasons, unless everything fell our way (form, injuries, the draw) and we snuck in 7th or 8th in 2009.
I reckon the club would be better off drawing a line in the sand and comitting FULLY to rebuilding. That means no P. Bowdens/Kingsleys etc by matter of principle it means not trading away or downgrading rnd 1 or 2 picks - i.e. no Polak's either. Throw everything at getting the very best kids we can over the next couple of years. Tell the coach his aim is for us to have the best list under 23 by the end of 2009. That is ambitious, but its not a cop out like this 2011 business and at least it gives Terry something to aim for. I'm less than impressed with his record of developiong young players and on that basis alone I could see better men for the job, but we can't afford to pay him out of our pocket.
You are on the money there Jake.
Dont worry about paying him out, he might walk anyway.
He wouldnt be feeling to great at the minute
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IMHO If Wallace stays another 2 years and we get another 2 years of failure then Richmond is 99% Wallaces last senior coaching job. If he leaves now or at the end of the season, atleast he could say i went there when they were a rabble and I tried to bring in some kids- he'll have some excuse and justification for the performance. Ill be interested to see if Jackos theory has legs.
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This is the Danny Frawley saga all over again.
Need to cut our losses now.
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If wallace walked away now he wouldnever get a job again..
As for getting rid of him now it is ludicrous , who do people suggest we replace him with??
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Wallace would get a job in the media, no problems
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Was talking about another coaching job , after walking o nthe dogs another walk would end his career..
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People dont realise he destroyed the dogs,
Why do you think there is that hatred between him Chris Grant, Scott west and co.
They havent forgiven him.
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Sheeds wants to coach for another 5 years.
If he went to another club, he would take an an assistant who he would had over the reins to eventually and mentor.
he wouldnt work with a Terry wallace type but more of a younger coach
Does Sheeds actually realise that sometimes we don't get what we want ???
Now these are serious questions Jack;
1/ Has Sheeds actually thought maybe it is time to give it away - IMO perhaps it would better for him to got out on top.
2/ Do you really think it is relasitic for Sheeds to think that he can go to another Club, coach and then say this blokes my successor, I would think the coaching position at a footy club would be determined by the Board not Sheeds
I think TJ is going senile - fancy comparing Wallace and Sheedy with Parkin and Brittain. There are no parallels.
Senile?
Dillusional past players/coaches more like it
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Will answer WP.
1/ Would think he has 3-5 years left in him
He always has excellent assistants under him with plenty of experience. Eg Ex coaches, Robert Shaw, Gary Ayres etc.
2/ Would think if Sheeds goes to another club and that he will, he will bring a package with him eg. Neale Daniher as an assistant etc.
If regards to an successor, it would only work if the person was currently in an assistant roles and had some tie with the club, eg. Richmond and Chris Bond for example. He couldnt bring on board an inexperienced assistant and expect the club to accept that.
Might also add that two of Richmond current assistants have had no experience before they started there roles, Eg King and Rawlings.
If you were running a business, you wouldnt employ Managers who havent had the experience would you ????? Richmond did on Wallaces recommendations so I see little difference if what Sheeds would do compared to current situation with inexperinced people in major roles.
the Sheedy model would solve this
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Thanks Jack -
If you were running a business, you wouldnt employ Managers who havent had the experience would you ????? Richmond did on Wallaces recommendations so I see little difference if what Sheeds would do compared to current situation with inexperinced people in major roles.
the Sheedy model would solve this
Fair call. Sometimes how ever as a Senior manager you have to make the tough call and bring in someone with no experience simply because they are the best option. In some cases a fresh idea from a fresh face can have a massive impact.
From a coaching perspective I think that's why some people are so keen on Voss going straight into a senior role. Also look at the pies and Scott from the Lions who's a development coach for them - everyone is raving about how he is going. He didn't have the experience but got the job and the results are all positive
I would argue that one of the roles of a senior coach is to not only teach players but also teach coaches - that is why they bring in the inexperienced and give then a go. Also I reckon it's important to have blokes just out of the game on your coaching panel.
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Did we have a huge budget for assistant coaches?
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Thanks Jack -
If you were running a business, you wouldnt employ Managers who havent had the experience would you ????? Richmond did on Wallaces recommendations so I see little difference if what Sheeds would do compared to current situation with inexperinced people in major roles.
the Sheedy model would solve this
Fair call. Sometimes how ever as a Senior manager you have to make the tough call and bring in someone with no experience simply because they are the best option. In some cases a fresh idea from a fresh face can have a massive impact.
From a coaching perspective I think that's why some people are so keen on Voss going straight into a senior role. Also look at the pies and Scott from the Lions who's a development coach for them - everyone is raving about how he is going. He didn't have the experience but got the job and the results are all positive
I would argue that one of the roles of a senior coach is to not only teach players but also teach coaches - that is why they bring in the inexperienced and give then a go. Also I reckon it's important to have blokes just out of the game on your coaching panel.
I not just saying this to be friendly but I reckon this would work with other clubs but not us. We have been a basket case for years and years and we arent in a position to give people experince and them to move on or in some situation fail and change careers.
RFC needs the best people there, I dont beleive this is the current situation.
From coaches to fitness .
E.g. geelong gaining Balme, Wheadon and Kellaway makes a huge difference.
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I not just saying this to be friendly but I reckon this would work with other clubs but not us. We have been a basket case for years and years and we arent in a position to give people experince and them to move on or in some situation fail and change careers.
RFC needs the best people there, I dont beleive this is the current situation.
From coaches to fitness .
E.g. geelong gaining Balme, Wheadon and Kellaway makes a huge difference.
I would argue very strongly that Craig McCrae has been an outstanding pick up for the RFC this season. We need to hang onto him. Perhaps your mate Craig Cameron would be a good fit too. Personally I have had question marks over the fitness guys for a couple of years now simply because they have been there so long
In answer to your question Moi - our footy department budget is one o fhte smallest in the Comp but will increase next year as we were told last Wednesday night at the locker room night
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McCrae wont be there next year :shh
Carlton with Voss :shh
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Gracie on Y&B:
March answered that there has not been any movement from the club on Sheedy as Sheedy was still the Essendon coach. March said the club would love to have him back but it wouldn't be as coach or coaching director.
http://www.yellowandblack.com.au/forum/showpost.php?p=102786&postcount=1
We'll need to find two development coaches for next year if McRae leaves to join Voss. One to replace McRae plus the new one.
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sheedy in the club would be great ...
assistant would be a dream ...
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McCrae wont be there next year :shh
Carlton with Voss :shh
stuff it. :banghead
McRae is the only one of our assistants I think is doing a decent job.
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McCrae wont be there next year :shh
Carlton with Voss :shh
eff it. :banghead
McRae is the only one of our assistants I think is doing a decent job.
i agree ... seems to be doing a good job !!!
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McCrae wont be there next year :shh
Carlton with Voss :shh
buddha hocking is also on the voss ticket :shh
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McCrae wont be there next year :shh
Carlton with Voss :shh
buddha hocking is also on the voss ticket :shh
is that true ???
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Bombers' board to decide on Sheeds at their next board meeting in 3 weeks. They met Sheeds tonight (who had a large folder with him) who was philosophical about it all after he left Windy Hill.
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Bombers' board to decide on Sheeds at their next board meeting in 3 weeks. They met Sheeds tonight (who had a large folder with him) who was philosophical about it all after he left Windy Hill.
Basically Sheeds wants to be retained by Essendon, which means we are the second prize, as we always have been.
We should be the number one priority, not leftovers.
I can't understand how Richmond ppl are not insulted by that but each to their own!
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Basically Sheeds wants to be retained by Essendon, which means we are the second prize, as we always have been.
We should be the number one priority, not leftovers.
I can't understand how Richmond ppl are not insulted by that but each to their own!
20 odd years of the same old same old. Goes like this...
Sheeds is essendon coach, sheeds is coming out of contract, here's a romantic thought Sheeds can go back to richmond, richmond (some) supporters get all cuaght up in the idea, sheeds signs another contract with essendon and the tigers dream of what might have been.
If he really really wanted to come back he would have come back. If he wants to come back now it's becuase the bummers don't want him - that's not a good enough reason IMHO
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Not to mention the ego boost he gets when everyone wants him.
He likes playing God, I reckon.
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Sheeds is essendon coach, sheeds is coming out of contract, here's a romantic thought Sheeds can go back to richmond, richmond (some) supporters get all cuaght up in the idea, sheeds signs another contract with essendon and the tigers dream of what might have been.
If he really really wanted to come back he would have come back. If he wants to come back now it's becuase the bummers don't want him - that's not a good enough reason IMHO
Wanted him once not anymore.
Would not be the right message to anyone at tigerland, from supporters to players. Getting someone that had a preference not to be there but had no choice cause first pick decided not to take him. PASS
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McCrae wont be there next year :shh
Carlton with Voss :shh
Voss was quite vocal on the Chan 10 news last night that he wasn't going anyway.
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McCrae wont be there next year :shh
Carlton with Voss :shh
buddha hocking is also on the voss ticket :shh
is that true ???
i cant vouch 4 mcrae, cos all i have heard is rumors because he and voss are good mates. but i am aware that mcrae is very happy at richmond and that he may be elevated to an fulltime assistanmt coaching role next yr as well as continuing his development work.
about buddha hocking, i know for a fact he is on the voss ticket, fact.
there is only one thing stopping buddha working as voss's assistant, and that is if geelongs coaching job is available next yr and he gets it. then voss maybe be working under buddha
even though geelong is doing well, only a premiership will save bombers job
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Can tell you that he is the preferred option at Windy Hill, although if the cats make the Grand Final , that plan is out the door.
Bombers chasing Thompson rumour was mentioned tonight on 3aw.
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Where do we stand now? :shh
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Where do we stand?
Supporters or those who are pulling the strings on behalf of supporters?
stuffed either way I'd say!
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Being your biggest critic, Jack, I'll at least give you a :bow for telling us all year this was happening.
The trouble is, I think it stinks and those behind it stink because this has been happening before the first game we played this year.
Wallace never had a chance with people undermining everything he did.
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JACKSTAR, F ME!
YOU ARE GONNA MAKE ME EAT THE BIGGEST SLICE OF HUMBLE PIE!
DAMN , IF TERRY GOES AND SHEEDY COMES IN, I WILL LOOK LIEK A BIGGER DICK THAT I ALREADY DO!
HEY JACK, I STILL OWE YOU A DRINK, I HAVENT FORGOT, IF THIS HAPPENS, A SLAB WILL BE HEADING UR WAY! WHAT DO U DRINK, BOURBON OR SCOTCH?
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X, what will happen if this ends up being the worst thing for the club?
Hold off on the drinks!
Wait till we win the premiership next year which you'd expect if Wallace went and Sheeds took over.
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Was it in this forum that I read Sheeds was meeting with Bling earlier in the week over coffee????
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Pack your bags Terry.
Take the Solarium also :wallywink
Going to be an interesting few weeks ahead.
Will the pressure be too much for Terry?
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Will the pressure be too much for Terry?
No, the pressure will be on Sheeds, Bull.
A premiership and nothing less!
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Sheedy on to the board? Would be more likely to me than replacing Wallace.
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Sheedy on to the board? Would be more likely to me than replacing Wallace.
That would be a great outcome, FFV
Can't see it happening now though, but who knows!
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At least one thing, Sheeds being at punt road would mean that he would get quality people around him e.g. Neale Daniher as an assistant. NOT ex players with no experience
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Then he will be getting a budget Terry wasn't delivered.
Good assistants cost money!
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one thing that may be in sheedys favor is he as i said in the other thread may be able to save the careers of Meyer and Tambling who seem to be headed towards oblivion playing wise.
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You're touched, Jackstar.
It's even his birthday coming up lol
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one thing that may be in sheedys favor is he as i said in the other thread may be able to save the careers of Meyer and Tambling who seem to be headed towards oblivion playing wise.
Yes, Sheedy is well respected and liked. He seems to be able to get the best out of most players.
I just get the feeling that Wallace is losing the players.
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The quality people at Essendon knifed Sheeds :whistle. So much to waiting until the end of the year to make a decision. Their board overruled the President.
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Was it in this forum that I read Sheeds was meeting with Bling earlier in the week over coffee????
Blingers signed a 3-year deal this year.
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Gonna be a big contingent of media at training @ Punt Road this arvo methinks!
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Sheeds rang KB and asked for some advice.
KB told him to write down the names of all the board members and say that he won't return to the club until they are all gone - then when they are all gone still don't go back. Sheeds thought it was a bad idea.
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The quality people at Essendon knifed Sheeds :whistle. So much to waiting until the end of the year to make a decision. Their board overruled the President.
I would suggest the undermining at Essendon coincided at the same time a thread suggesting Sheeds' return to Richmond started here.
Were there factions at work at Essendon writing off Sheeds with an agenda in mind the same as Wallace?
I think both Essendon and Richmond supporters need explanations.
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A problem that Plough has is that his game plan has never brought the ultimate success to any side hes coached. The bulldogs wont win a flag- the game plan and the philosophy IMHO is incorrect.
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Sheedy ... not there in 2008 ... get him down to Richmond !!!
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The quality people at Essendon knifed Sheeds :whistle. So much to waiting until the end of the year to make a decision. Their board overruled the President.
I would suggest the undermining at Essendon coincided at the same time a thread suggesting Sheeds' return to Richmond started here.
Were there factions at work at Essendon writing off Sheeds with an agenda in mind the same as Wallace?
I think both Essendon and Richmond supporters need explanations.
There are these types at all clubs Moi. Sheeds was able to outsmart them at Essendon by using us everytime he was under threat in the past. He couldn't this time around.
Peter Jackson just said they got rid of Sheeds due to the state of their aging list. Some at RFC might want to realise that before putting nostalgia before reality.
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essendon are stuffed, they will spend the next decade trying to rebuild now.
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Paraphrasing what he's now saying - more to come I hope - sorry for errors, but typing live.
Announcement that the board has made a decision that Sheeds’ contract will not be renewed. He will coach to the end of the season.
Long process that the board’s been involved with – a very considered process. Not chosen to share with the media, but it’s a decision that has not been easy. Been a challenging decision.
Talking a person who’s had the most profound impact on their club – decisions not made lightly or easily – a difficult process.
Kevin has been under a fair amount of pressure – normally a media circus. Congratulated Kevin on how he’s conducted himself.
Why the decision has been made – won’t comment on that. What he will say is the board took the decision with 3 to 5 years in mind. On paper, better performed than last year. Bad luck last year and good luck this year.
If we’re looking at where we’re at, led very well by players like Hird, Fletcher, Mal Michael. Lloyd came back.
The point about that is the youngest of those players is 29 years old. The board sees the future of this playing list over the next 3 to 5 years, not a 1 to 2 year decision.
Decision was taken with a vast majority of the board and board is united behind the decision.
Why now and not end of year. Two reasons now – one, to be fair to Kevin. He’s a legend, he will be recognised as a legend of the club and the AFL in due course. The players want to recognise his contribution to them and the club and that they would like the opportunity over last six weeks to celebrate his career.
Games coming up – Carlton, Richmond and WC. Looking forward to seeing 45,000 wC fans in Subiaco waving the yellow and blue scarves. Wish it had happened against Pies last week because of what Kevin has created with the rivalry.
Main reason and they don’t want him dodging press conferences and question s and get it over and done with.
2nd reason – 3 other vacancies. Good coaches don’t grow on trees and they have to be in the game to find one. Remiss of the club not to start that process now.
Difficult and challenging decision because of Kevin.
Sheeds says they’ve been a great client to him. And you don’t get a 27 year client that often. He’s been very lucky to have had this opportunity.
Been talking about it since late January, discussing whether Hird and him should go out at the same time.
Next discussion about late May and were in the middle of a few wins and had to be careful how they did it, so it wouldn’t affect the team.
Essendon guy – whether it’s a correct decision or not, wait till 3 or 5 years time. They don’t know what will happen. Judge them in 3 to 5 years time.
Kevin doesn’t think it’s a big deal – it’s sport. You’ve got to realise that in that moment of time that you’re very fortunate to coach for such a long time at one place.
If another opportunity comes up he’ll look at it. If it’s right he’ll consider it – if not, he’ll move on.
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Sheeds answered my question by saying the sacking discussions started in January.
Now when did his discussions at Richmond start?
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The quality people at Essendon knifed Sheeds :whistle. So much to waiting until the end of the year to make a decision. Their board overruled the President.
Now MT.
Some factual stuff my friend.
K. Sheedy knew 10 weeks ago his contract would not be renewed.
Today is all about delivering this to the supporters and media.
Sheedy wasnt sacked as such.
He will coach again ;)
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The quality people at Essendon knifed Sheeds :whistle. So much to waiting until the end of the year to make a decision. Their board overruled the President.
Now MT.
Some factual stuff my friend.
K. Sheedy knew 10 weeks ago his contract would not be renewed.
Today is all about delivering this to the supporters and media.
Sheedy wasnt sacked as such.
He will coach again ;)
Can we afford to sack Wallace though Jack??
Will having Sheeds change THAT much??
Or is Sheeds going to another club?
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Can't wait to see the faces of those Essendon mates of mine who were scoffing at me last week! "Oh Sheedy won't go" - ha! :clapping I don't care where he goes from here.
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A problem that Plough has is that his game plan has never brought the ultimate success to any side hes coached. The bulldogs wont win a flag- the game plan and the philosophy IMHO is incorrect.
The problems at Richmond are bigger than the coach whoever it is. If Sheeds did walk back into the club in some capacity he'd be in shock after having 27 years of Essendon's $$$ giving him everything he desired. You can't run an AFL club on a shoestring budget like we've been trying to do for the past decade or two.
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Sheedy is not the answer to our problems. Recuriting is. Can anybody honestly tell me that this list would be any better under Sheedy than is is under Wallace. Sure I think the couching has not been great but it is the list that is the real problem. No smarts, no leaders, no skills. Why cant we draft smart players.
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thanks Moi well done :clapping
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I was gonna type the rest, but my heart is not in it for some reason lol
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Sheedy is not the answer to our problems. Recuriting is. Can anybody honestly tell me that this list would be any better under Sheedy than is is under Wallace.
Exactly. Today's decision has nothing to do with Richmond and where we are going as a club. Absolutely nothing. He has had his chance with the Tigers, all he ever did was use us for leverage with his contracts at Essendon.
Good luck to him though in whatever he does, seems like a nice enough bloke.
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Gotta love that messiah complex we have..
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The quality people at Essendon knifed Sheeds :whistle. So much to waiting until the end of the year to make a decision. Their board overruled the President.
Now MT.
Some factual stuff my friend.
K. Sheedy knew 10 weeks ago his contract would not be renewed.
Today is all about delivering this to the supporters and media.
Sheedy wasnt sacked as such.
He will coach again ;)
There's a difference between waiting until the end of the season like they should have done and sacking him now with 6 weeks to go. A great show of thanks for 27 years service ::). Essendon board members got the spooks with 3 other clubs now chasing a new coach and outvoted the Prez (the later according to his wife on SEN).
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Gotta love that messiah complex we have..
Don't worry, in 2-3 years time these same old idiots will be demanding Sheeds' sacking even if he was to replace Plough ::) :sleep.
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er....cant we just get on with bizness.............
whatever will be ,will be.
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Sheedy is not the answer to our problems. Recuriting is. Can anybody honestly tell me that this list would be any better under Sheedy than is is under Wallace.
Exactly. Today's decision has nothing to do with Richmond and where we are going as a club. Absolutely nothing. He has had his chance with the Tigers, all he ever did was use us for leverage with his contracts at Essendon.
Good luck to him though in whatever he does, seems like a nice enough bloke.
Spot on the money Fluffy
I was just about to say
This has absolutely nothing to do with the Richmond Football Club.
If people out there want it to or thinks it does then .... :whistle I've repeated myself for the last 10 weeks on this
I will repeat this bit though...
If Sheeds really cares about the RFC then he will help it off field with his profile but he will not get sucked in by these faceless people in the background who have this idea that he our messiah.
It's all about respect
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Thanks Moi. Great reporting :clapping :bow.
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er....cant we just get on with bizness.............
whatever will be ,will be.
The question needs to be answered who's running the business first, Ox!
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the RFC ??????
Terry ?
just a couple of guesses
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Why the decision has been made – won’t comment on that. What he will say is the board took the decision with 3 to 5 years in mind. On paper, better performed than last year. Bad luck last year and good luck this year.
If we’re looking at where we’re at, led very well by players like Hird, Fletcher, Mal Michael. Lloyd came back.
The point about that is the youngest of those players is 29 years old. The board sees the future of this playing list over the next 3 to 5 years, not a 1 to 2 year decision.
The reason why I'm afraid of Sheeds. Not him or his coaching, just his propensity to make decisions to fill holes in a list with has beens a la Frawley.
And it's the reason they're getting rid of him.
When these players go from the Bombers, they're gonna make a nice hole in their list. Surely Sheeds isn't that dumb he couldn't have looked into the future.
As the bloke said, he's being sacked for making 1 to 2 year decisions, not planning for sustained success.
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The quality people at Essendon knifed Sheeds :whistle. So much to waiting until the end of the year to make a decision. Their board overruled the President.
I would suggest the undermining at Essendon coincided at the same time a thread suggesting Sheeds' return to Richmond started here.
Were there factions at work at Essendon writing off Sheeds with an agenda in mind the same as Wallace?
I think both Essendon and Richmond supporters need explanations.
I'm not sure WE need an explanation just yet.
Still get the feeling that there are a lot of bridges to cross before Sheedy is sitting in an office at Punt Rd.
If Wallace walks then obviously Sheedy with an apprentice is a real probability.
If Wallace doesn't walk I can't see us paying him out and turning in a financial loss after all the hard work.
Question is how much more Terry can take.
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Terry would be under the pump big time.
Sheeds with an apprentice, your on the money!
An the apprentice will be a favorite son!
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The best result is if they work together, not one coming in and doing a knifing job on the other, although I think whoever planted the Sheedy to Richmond seed to Jack was someone with the nickname Shifty! And he ain't called that for no reason other than he is.
Kevin would be great for the club - he's a walking, talking marketing machine, but I think he could do other roles around the club, other than coaching.
Would be a great combination! :thumbsup
The club can't afford the stigma of sacking another coach if it comes and bites them on the bum a few years down the track.
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sheedy and wallace will not work together,
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The best result is if they work together, not one coming in and doing a knifing job on the other, although I think whoever planted the Sheedy to Richmond seed to Jack was someone with the nickname Shifty! And he ain't called that for no reason other than he is.
Nobody planted the seed, been happening behind the scene for a while.
Moi, Sheeds to Richmond has nothing to do with me.
More like the high rollers who bankroll the club, now theres a cryptic clue.
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Terry would be under the pump big time.
Sheeds with an apprentice, your on the money!
An the apprentice will be a favorite son!
There is this Chris Bond bloke who's pretty bloody ready to Coach . . . . :shh
Maybe he's too good to stay as an apprentice though so I'll also mention Knights.
However I find it hard to believe. Keep Terry, change the constant sacking merry-go-round.
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The best result is if they work together, not one coming in and doing a knifing job on the other,
Just guessing, but bringing in Sheeds and putting him in a football director role above Wallace might be a way for the powers that be to make Terry walk - I'm not sure Terry would like to lose any control over off-the-field matters to focus purely on results given how badly we are going.
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Moi, Sheeds to Richmond has nothing to do with me.
More like the high rollers who bankroll the club, now theres a cryptic clue.
high rollers who bankroll...motorola...if that's the case, they can get nicked. The sponsors have no say in who is coach. They can bugger off and we'll get a newer sponsor.
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Moi, Sheeds to Richmond has nothing to do with me.
More like the high rollers who bankroll the club, now theres a cryptic clue.
high rollers who bankroll...motorola...if that's the case, they can get nicked. The sponsors have no say in who is coach. They can bugger off and we'll get a newer sponsor.
This is a business , not the local footy club Gordon.
Sponsors have a big say unfortunately ,thats the way it is.
If Sheedy was to coach Richmond which I beleive will happen, The sponsors will be lining up.
Can also tell you that current players have lost there way, so you work out what will happen next.
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Moi, Sheeds to Richmond has nothing to do with me.
More like the high rollers who bankroll the club, now theres a cryptic clue.
high rollers who bankroll...motorola...if that's the case, they can get nicked. The sponsors have no say in who is coach. They can bugger off and we'll get a newer sponsor.
:clapping absolutely agree.
Unfortunately that is not how footy is nowadays :banghead
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Moi, Sheeds to Richmond has nothing to do with me.
More like the high rollers who bankroll the club, now theres a cryptic clue.
high rollers who bankroll...motorola...if that's the case, they can get nicked. The sponsors have no say in who is coach. They can bugger off and we'll get a newer sponsor.
This is a business , not the local footy club Gordon.
Sponsors have a big say unfortunately ,thats the way it is.
If Sheedy was to coach Richmond which I beleive will happen, The sponsors will be lining up.
Can also tell you that current players have lost there way, so you work out what will happen next.
Jack what are the odds of:
1) Sheedy returning to punt road in some form other than as coach
2) sheedy coming to coach
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I assume it is the more experienced players who have "lost their way with Terry." RE: 2011
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FFS - ITS NOT THE COACH THAT IS THE PROBLEM HERE!
it's blokes that hide behind the coach excuse.
Like i said before,we all know that the PLAYERS ARE CAPABLE of better performances but are too stuffen soft to have a crack.
We should not sack the coach for Sheedy.
Ur all dreamers and have learnt nothing......In 5 years u would all be calling for Sheedys head,saying the game has past him by,etc ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Pack of gossip mongers.
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Terry would be under the pump big time.
Sheeds with an apprentice, your on the money!
An the apprentice will be a favorite son!
if mathew knights comes back to richmond after failing at port adelaide, and failing at bendigo, fair dinken i will spew up :chuck :chuck
stop spinning poo jack, this wont happen, sheeds is finished, thank god the richmond board know it too.! :thumbsup
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I will repeat what I have been saying all along.
No chance of sheeds at richmond next year, none.
Sheeds may well coach again, but not at tigerland. that dream is dead. Thank God
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I will repeat what I have been saying all along.
No chance of sheeds at richmond next year, none.
Sheeds may well coach again, but not at tigerland. that dream is dead. Thank God
Right, Wallace is set concrete? I'm glad to hear it. :clapping
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I will repeat what I have been saying all along.
No chance of sheeds at richmond next year, none.
Sheeds may well coach again, but not at tigerland. that dream is dead. Thank God
Little secret here Blaisee
The deal with Sheeds was nearly over the line 3 years ago,
Just ask your friend Greg Miller who supported Wallace and not the ""BIG PICTURE"" This is fact.
If is wasnt for Miller, Sheeds would of been in his third year at Punt road and we wouldnt be on the bottom and we wouldnt have pretenders and mates as assistant coaches.
Ask the players what they think of Wallace. mail is worse than SPUD
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I will repeat what I have been saying all along.
Ask the players what they think of Wallace. mail is worse than SPUD
Like they're opinion is worth anything after the way they have played to save the club 8)
I imagine ur talkig about the same lot Of duds that were actually there when spud was ..............and BLAMED HIM AS WELL.........see the patern?
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Why the decision has been made – won’t comment on that. What he will say is the board took the decision with 3 to 5 years in mind. On paper, better performed than last year. Bad luck last year and good luck this year.
If we’re looking at where we’re at, led very well by players like Hird, Fletcher, Mal Michael. Lloyd came back.
The point about that is the youngest of those players is 29 years old. The board sees the future of this playing list over the next 3 to 5 years, not a 1 to 2 year decision.
The reason why I'm afraid of Sheeds. Not him or his coaching, just his propensity to make decisions to fill holes in a list with has beens a la Frawley.
And it's the reason they're getting rid of him.
When these players go from the Bombers, they're gonna make a nice hole in their list. Surely Sheeds isn't that dumb he couldn't have looked into the future.
As the bloke said, he's being sacked for making 1 to 2 year decisions, not planning for sustained success.
Essendon's winning record since 2005 has been worse than even ours.
http://afl.allthestats.com/statistics/alltime.php?t2=&yrfm=2005&yrto=2007&gnd=0&inat=4&when=
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I will repeat what I have been saying all along.
No chance of sheeds at richmond next year, none.
Sheeds may well coach again, but not at tigerland. that dream is dead. Thank God
Little secret here Blaisee
The deal with Sheeds was nearly over the line 3 years ago,
Just ask your friend Greg Miller who supported Wallace and not the ""BIG PICTURE"" This is fact.
If is wasnt for Miller, Sheeds would of been in his third year at Punt road and we wouldnt be on the bottom and we wouldnt have pretenders and mates as assistant coaches.
Ask the players what they think of Wallace. mail is worse than SPUD
yea right,
nearly came 3 years ago, nearly came in 99, nearly in 94
nearly nearly nearly.
Never came because he isa selfish prick that couldnt give a stuff about the tigers if he did he has plenty of opportunities to come accross.
All of a sudden he gets the ass and he wants to come back. :banghead
I dont think so, and thank god the board agree with me. :bow
He can pee off the old fart, he is finished and the tiger board know it :cheers
and as for mathew knights as a coach, please ::)
he failed at port adelaide and has failed at bendigo, great resume
people need to stop living in the past, thats why we are poo, let wallet do his 5 years, after that we will reassess
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Kevin Sheedy for coach no.
To take over Millers job yes.
It will put the pressure on Terry to actually coach the club and leave all that media stuff to Kevin. Also due to the fact that we are having such an awful season we can expect a drop off in memberships for next season. The euphoria and fanfare that Sheeds will create coming back to Richmond will mean a significant increase in membership. It would be derelict of the board to not look into this. Terry must be retained for his tenure any rash sacking of him will take away finance from other areas that need attention. After all we gave yeah nah yeah nah 5 years. We must at least follow Terry's 5 year plan through.
Miller is the person that should be squeezed out. Never been a big fan of the Hammerhead anyway.
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Sheeds as mentor to Chris Bond? :thumbsup
It has appeal.
How do we make it happen?
:cheers
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On Bigfooty, this just posted:
It was just mentioned on 3AW
Sheeds 5 mill for 5 years (Via Crazy John) and a 1mill payout for Wallace
Now Jack, what were you saying again about Wallace taking all the money and leaving nothing for the footy department?
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Nobody planted the seed, been happening behind the scene for a while.
Moi, Sheeds to Richmond has nothing to do with me.
More like the high rollers who bankroll the club, now theres a cryptic clue.
That's what worries me. Since when did a select group of ppl run this club?
What happened to the rest of us poor old long suffering folk, the ones that turn up to see the Richos of the world play their 250th game while your friends don't even bother?
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On Bigfooty, this just posted:
It was just mentioned on 3AW
Sheeds 5 mill for 5 years (Via Crazy John) and a 1mill payout for Wallace
Now Jack, what were you saying again about Wallace taking all the money and leaving nothing for the footy department?
Good lord. It'll probably be another 5 year contract where after 3 years we'll be sitting here doing the same thing. :scream :scream :scream :banghead
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On Bigfooty, this just posted:
It was just mentioned on 3AW
Sheeds 5 mill for 5 years (Via Crazy John) and a 1mill payout for Wallace
Now Jack, what were you saying again about Wallace taking all the money and leaving nothing for the footy department?
This guy should go back to wherever he came from and stop trying to make the big calls for the club when he is merely an outsider
desperately attemting to secure,what HE thinks,is the future for the RFC.
stuff him as far off as we can.
What an absolute hole wankbag!!!!!!!!!
We have a 5 year plan and we dont need cu nt like this terrorist big noting himself
and simultaneously screwing the club even further.
stuff off Johnny.I.
This BS act of ego would almost disgust me to the point where the whole AFL can go stick it up there arses.
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Just give us the $5M and go away lol
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Just give us the $5M and go away lol
:clapping
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On Bigfooty, this just posted:
It was just mentioned on 3AW
Sheeds 5 mill for 5 years (Via Crazy John) and a 1mill payout for Wallace
Now Jack, what were you saying again about Wallace taking all the money and leaving nothing for the footy department?
Good lord. It'll probably be another 5 year contract where after 3 years we'll be sitting here doing the same thing. :scream :scream :scream :banghead
And I'd want the $5M up front in case some other Crazy venture takes his fancy and we're stuck with a huge payout!
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Just give us the $5M and go away lol
:clapping
touche.
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what a joke!
Crazy john, give me a break. All he is is an attention grabbing media whore!
Like he would put in $5million ::)
Members neeed to relax and look at peoples track records
Sheedy has used richmond since he left, used them to get longer more lucrative contracts from the bombers. Now he will use the tigers again to try and stitch up another club...probably fremantle, where he will shaft mark harvey..his mate...
That is the sheedy way
pee off you old washed up fart
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Nobody planted the seed, been happening behind the scene for a while.
Moi, Sheeds to Richmond has nothing to do with me.
More like the high rollers who bankroll the club, now theres a cryptic clue.
That's what worries me. Since when did a select group of ppl run this club?
What happened to the rest of us poor old long suffering folk, the ones that turn up to see the Richos of the world play their 250th game while your friends don't even bother?
I was there Moi (or should that be their) ;D
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That $5m rumour is just garbage - unadulterated - I agree with OX - although he put it much more eloquently than I could ;D
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X, what will happen if this ends up being the worst thing for the club?
Hold off on the drinks!
Wait till we win the premiership next year which you'd expect if Wallace went and Sheeds took over.
the drinks is more for an apology, not necessarily for celebrations
but i heard shhedy say today that he was very lucky because not many ppl get to coach a side they barrack for!
do we want a bomber supporter coaching us? i dont!
i want tiger men at richmond
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Terry would be under the pump big time.
Sheeds with an apprentice, your on the money!
An the apprentice will be a favorite son!
so are u saying sheeds and knighter will be our guys next season?
pm details and i will keep it to myself if u know anything
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Terry would be under the pump big time.
Sheeds with an apprentice, your on the money!
An the apprentice will be a favorite son!
There is this Chris Bond bloke who's pretty bloody ready to Coach . . . . :shh
Maybe he's too good to stay as an apprentice though so I'll also mention Knights.
However I find it hard to believe. Keep Terry, change the constant sacking merry-go-round.
we havent constantly sacked, we kept danny on remember. but if day terry really has lost the players lik espud did, no point keeping him on, just means 2 more wasted yrs
one thing will remain 4 sure, whatever the club does , i will still be a memeber and supporter.
if terry stays , fine, if he goes, i wont miss him
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Moi, Sheeds to Richmond has nothing to do with me.
More like the high rollers who bankroll the club, now theres a cryptic clue.
This is a business , not the local footy club Gordon.
Sponsors have a big say unfortunately ,thats the way it is.
If Sheedy was to coach Richmond which I beleive will happen, The sponsors will be lining up.
Can also tell you that current players have lost there way, so you work out what will happen next.
Jackstar is quite accurate.
There are some very influential people involved and whether the people on this forum, Richmond members and supporters like it or not decisions will be made that will change the future of the club.
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I will repeat what I have been saying all along.
No chance of sheeds at richmond next year, none.
Sheeds may well coach again, but not at tigerland. that dream is dead. Thank God
Little secret here Blaisee
The deal with Sheeds was nearly over the line 3 years ago,
Just ask your friend Greg Miller who supported Wallace and not the ""BIG PICTURE"" This is fact.
If is wasnt for Miller, Sheeds would of been in his third year at Punt road and we wouldnt be on the bottom and we wouldnt have pretenders and mates as assistant coaches.
Ask the players what they think of Wallace. mail is worse than SPUD
if this is true jack, the terry and miller should f off immediately, i have never liked miller , never, abd wallce i have given him a chance, but if the players really think thi sway, he and miller should get the f outta here
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atm, rfc has no confidence
atm, rfc fans have no confidence
atm , rfc players dont have confidence
we have a feeling of doom and gloom again
enter sheedy, and we will have hope.
yes hop. whether or not we succeed is irrelevant at this stage, but hop eis important
with hope comes improvement
with hope comes momentum
with hope comes mores sponsors
sheedy at rfc as headcoach will mean 37k members plus
bye bye wallce, welcome kevin(as long as u stop barracking for the bombers)
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another new 5 year plan, with crazy john running the sideshow.
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Little secret here Blaisee
The deal with Sheeds was nearly over the line 3 years ago,
Just ask your friend Greg Miller who supported Wallace and not the ""BIG PICTURE"" This is fact.
If is wasnt for Miller, Sheeds would of been in his third year at Punt road and we wouldnt be on the bottom and we wouldnt have pretenders and mates as assistant coaches.
Ask the players what they think of Wallace. mail is worse than SPUD
OMG - 3 years ago - let me see what was I nearly doing 3 years ago ::)
Sorry Jack - seriously "nearly"s don't cut it. He was never coming back 3 years ago. The time for him was 1999 and he chose to stay in the comfy confines of Windy Hill. Not the poor unresourced tigers.
Now the Bombers have said bye bye - he wants to come back - pluuzzee.
That's what worries me. Since when did a select group of ppl run this club?
What happened to the rest of us poor old long suffering folk, the ones that turn up to see the Richos of the world play their 250th game while your friends don't even bother?
Exactly - so true
The faceless people who think the RFC is theirs and theirs alone - :banghead
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bye bye wallce, welcome kevin(as long as u stop barracking for the bombers)
Struth xXx you give the term bandwagon jumper new meaning
One minute your on Tezza, then sheeds, back to tezza, then sheeds, then tezza now sheeds
:rollin :rollin
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what a joke!
Crazy john, give me a break. All he is is an attention grabbing media whore!
Like he would put in $5million ::)
Members neeed to relax and look at peoples track records
Sheedy has used richmond since he left, used them to get longer more lucrative contracts from the bombers. Now he will use the tigers again to try and stitch up another club...probably fremantle, where he will shaft mark harvey..his mate...
That is the sheedy way
pee off you old washed up fart
there is no way in hell Mr Crazy would part with $5 mill of his OWN money
No way
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bye bye wallce, welcome kevin(as long as u stop barracking for the bombers)
Struth xXx you give the term bandwagon jumper new meaning
One minute your on Tezza, then sheeds, back to tezza, then sheeds, the tezza now sheeds
:rollin :rollin
LMAO :lol :lol
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if crazy john was a real richmond man he'd just hand over the cash :banghead
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if crazy john was a real richmond man he'd just hand over the cash :banghead
What purpose would that serve to an egomaniac?
No publicty in that scenario
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Why the decision has been made – won’t comment on that. What he will say is the board took the decision with 3 to 5 years in mind. On paper, better performed than last year. Bad luck last year and good luck this year.
If we’re looking at where we’re at, led very well by players like Hird, Fletcher, Mal Michael. Lloyd came back.
The point about that is the youngest of those players is 29 years old. The board sees the future of this playing list over the next 3 to 5 years, not a 1 to 2 year decision.
The reason why I'm afraid of Sheeds. Not him or his coaching, just his propensity to make decisions to fill holes in a list with has beens a la Frawley.
And it's the reason they're getting rid of him.
When these players go from the Bombers, they're gonna make a nice hole in their list. Surely Sheeds isn't that dumb he couldn't have looked into the future.
As the bloke said, he's being sacked for making 1 to 2 year decisions, not planning for sustained success.
Essendon's winning record since 2005 has been worse than even ours.
http://afl.allthestats.com/statistics/alltime.php?t2=&yrfm=2005&yrto=2007&gnd=0&inat=4&when=
But Sheeds is the master and Terzza is a dud.........
How can that be.............
:help
:eyebrow
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Ah, its been ages since I post anything remotely constructive (is this?), but at this time, I thought it best to highlight what conumdrums the RFC face in the next six weeks.
Fact number 1. We have our highest membership base, coupled with our worst ever on-field performance.
Issue number 1. This immediately puts pressure on membership retention, let alone recruitment in 2008, and also immediately puts pressure on sponsor retention and recruitment for 2008.
Solution number 1. What is the quickest fix? Get Sheeds to tigerland. (at this stage I am not suggesting coach). You would get more members, and hopefully more sponsors in this scenario.
Fact number 2. Our list is not going to be able to perform well until another 2 seasons of chopping and changing in regards to list management and player development. We are too young (experience), many lack physical development, and need a few serious deficiencies in player types addressed.
Issue number 2. Our recruitment has been average (but there are reasons e.g we had a financial deficit which we needed to overcome quickly. Easiest way to achieve this in any business is reduce resources - worst scenario for us, was in recruitment). But I think Miller and Wallace have done well in regards to list management of existing players - Moi has the current evidence of this in her posts.
Solution number 2. I suggest we spend some cash in regards to recruitment and player development. Sheedy would be the optimum person to head this up. Heck, call him Director of recruitment/football.
Fact number 3 - Wallace is on a 5 year contract with 2 to go.
Issue number 3 - We knew it was going to be a five year task, so why sack the coach after 3. But, if what some others post here (and this has been hinted to me before :shh) the players are not following what Wallace wants as the gameplan, as they do not agree it works, or even understand it. This is the big issue. I know the players like Wallace, but there are problems with the execution of the gameplan. To even suggest we are tanking is wrong. Currently the players are not as experienced or skillful enough to play the way Wallace wants them to.
Solution number 3. All eyes are on the relationship between the players and the coaching staff. If there are problems, then take away some of Terry's role to concentrate on the execution of a better game plan. If Terry does not agree with this, then Terry will come under scrutiny. Bring in Sheeds to deal with the "other" things like recruitment, coaching development of assistants, football issues, then we have more experienced people to execute a better gameplan with the cattle we currently have, and those we need to recruit. It gets the players back on board, which are the guys ultimately responsible for our on field performance.
So in summary, I think RFC should definitely get Sheeds on board in some significant capacity, for the financial upside a Richmond prodigal son returning home would achieve. I would suggest Director of Football, with an influence on the match committee and recruitment. Terry should be given the opportunity to complete the 5 year plan, and then we reassess. Can Miller, Wallace and Sheedy all work under the one roof? Would love it to happen, but its highly doubtful.
Just my thoughts here, and I think we need to take this course of action for the RFC, and then egos can settle afterwards. Good luck to Gary March to hold all this together.
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SEN just said Damien Barrett has an article in tomorrow's Herald-Sun about the push to get Sheeds to Tigerland. You've got to love how the media are influencing these coach sackings. Put pressure on a club until they cave in ::).
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The media do run the show, MT
There will be a huge push to get Sheeds to Richmond from them. Not because it's good for Richmond, but it will sell their papers.
And as for Mr Barrett, I responded to him re his article last week - funny it didn't get put up on their site!
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Kevin Sheedy into Tiger fold
Herald-Sun Damian Barrett
July 26, 2007 12:00am
THE Kevin Sheedy-to-Richmond push has been reignited after the veteran coach's exit from Essendon.
While Terry Wallace is contracted as Tigers coach until the end of 2009, immense pressure to have Sheedy return to his original football home is expected to fall on the club in coming weeks.
Richmond president Gary March yesterday ruled out Sheedy returning as coach during Wallace's contract.
But some Tigers greats urged the club to consider all options to bring Sheedy back into the fold, and adding to the intrigue was Fremantle president Rick Hart saying his club would consider Sheedy for its vacant coaching position.
Another Hart - Royce, a teammate of Sheedy's in the Richmond Team of the Century - said a Punt Rd return for Sheedy was "food for thought".
"They've only won one game (this year), haven't they," Royce Hart said.
"It is an interesting situation. I don't know, in some capacity, maybe it is the way to go.
"It would be good for the club if he did come back, to have another ex-Richmond person there, and it is not just his coaching.
"I could probably sum it up by saying it is food for thought."
March said Sheedy's availability, after 27 seasons as Essendon coach, would not sway his board.
"In a football sense, there is no lure to get Kevin back to Richmond," March said.
"In a non-football sense, sure, we would be stupid not to look at it because he is a great football person and has a great history with our club and Essendon.
"Would he be a great ambassador for our club? Sure he would. And if we can get him back in some other capacity, yes, but not in a football sense."
March said the Tigers' football plans for 2008 and 2009 would not be moulded to include Sheedy, who played 251 matches and in three premierships with the Tigers.
"Most definitely (Wallace's contract will be honoured)," March said.
"We don't see a football role for Kevin because we have already set our path for next year with other recruitments we have got to do and we have started that process.
"So, we would have to turn it on its head and we are not prepared to do that.
"I can tell you that absolutely, categorically.
"The board met last night, we won't meet again till the next scheduled one (in late August)."
Another Tiger Team of the Century member Bill Barrot, along with club stalwarts Mal Brown and Tony Jewell, also added his weight to have Sheedy involved at Punt Rd.
"Obviously Terry is there, but my feeling would be he would be welcome at Richmond with open arms, and I don't know if that should be next year or the following year," Barrot said.
"Enthusiasm can come and go, it all depends if it is lasting, and Kevin has proved his is lasting."
Fremantle boss Rick Hart said Sheedy would be discussed by his board and even loomed as part of a possible double-act coaching set-up alongside his former assistant Mark Harvey.
"With Kevin's name now in the air, you would certainly have to look at it, have to consider talking to him," Hart said.
"We have already said we are looking down the line of the merit in considering a dual coach set-up and that is something we will also consider."
Brown said:
"He would be very handy for Richmond with his recruiting and his marketability, he would lift the income to another level.
"He could be director of football or football manager, taking the overall big picture of the game."
Jewell said:
"To bring him back in some role is fine but to bring him back as coach is another thing altogether. You would certainly try to entice him back in some meaningful way."
Should Sheedy fail to find a football coaching or director role next year, the AFL will employ him under its game development portfolio.
AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou said:
"His work has been invaluable and football owes him a great debt of gratitude."
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22135344-11088,00.html
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Richmond keen to chat to Sheedy
July 25, 2007 - 6:25PM
AAP
Richmond president Gary March will contact Kevin Sheedy about a possible return to the Tigers, but not as senior coach.
With the Tigers currently rooted to the bottom of the ladder, the pressure on incumbent coach Terry Wallace was expected to increase after Essendon sacked Kevin Sheedy after 27 years at the helm.
As a 251-game, triple-premiership star at the Tigers, Sheedy has long been linked with a return to Punt Rd.
March said that Sheedy, 59, would be considered for an ambassadorial role, a marketing position or even a seat on the Richmond board.
Everything it seems except the job of head coach.
"We've got a contracted coach for two more years, most of our assistant coaches are all contracted for at least another year or two and we've got a contracted director of football," March told AAP.
"So there's no real roles for Kevin in football at our club, in the forseeable future, but is there a role for him back at Richmond? Maybe in a non-football sense."
March said the club would make contact with Sheedy, but only when Essendon's season was over.
"Given that he is a Richmond legend, at some stage the club will definitely have a chat to him about what his future plans are," March said.
"It's not inconceivable that Kevin himself could become a president of a football club.
"I reckon there's a multitude of roles that our club, Essendon, or even the AFL could use Kevin Sheedy for."
March said the Richmond board had "no issues" with Wallace, whose team has slipped badly on the field after respectable mid-table finishes in the previous two years.
"Obviously we're really disappointed about the season that we've had and Terry is under pressure because of our performances but so are myself and everyone at the football because, as a club, have performed below expectations this year," March said.
"Terry doesn't need any reassurance from me, we've got a really healthy working relationship.
"I know exactly where he's at with his coaching at the moment and where the list's at."
"Not Kevin, not Denis (Pagan), not because of Chris Connolly or Neale Daniher.
"We're not in the market for a senior coach like those clubs were."
http://news.realfooty.com.au/richmond-keen-to-chat-to-sheedy/20073925-pqg.html
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Legend of Windy Hill has no place
Greg Denham | July 26, 2007 | The Australian
KEVIN SHEEDY appears highly unlikely to continue his coaching career at a rival club. Despite being in the market for a fresh challenge after almost 27 years at Windy Hill, Sheedy's future opportunities have all but dried up.
Sheedy, who turns 60 in December, is not on the short list with the clubs that have vacancies for next year and beyond - Melbourne, Carlton or Fremantle.
And Richmond, the club of his origin as a player and who almost lured him back to Punt Road as its senior coach a decade ago, yesterday ruled him out in the short term.
Asked whether he would consider an offer to coach Richmond, Sheedy said: "Can I think about that. That's a hard call, not only because Terry (Wallace) has a two-year contract."
Sheedy suggested that he would be open to a senior coaching position elsewhere. "I'll take that on board when it comes up, if it comes up," he said. "If an opportunity comes up, I'll take a look at that. If I think it's right I'll be in footy somewhere and enjoying myself."
He said he would not work in any other capacity at Essendon. "You can't be here and coaching somewhere else maybe," Sheedy said with a smile.
Richmond president Gary March said yesterday: "Categorically, are we interested in Kevin Sheedy for a footy role next year? The answer is no. We'd be interested in him in a non-football role next year and down the track we'd love him to come on as a board member, he'd be fantastic."
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22134906-5012432,00.html
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Little secret here Blaisee
The deal with Sheeds was nearly over the line 3 years ago,
Just ask your friend Greg Miller who supported Wallace and not the ""BIG PICTURE"" This is fact.
If is wasnt for Miller, Sheeds would of been in his third year at Punt road and we wouldnt be on the bottom and we wouldnt have pretenders and mates as assistant coaches.
Ask the players what they think of Wallace. mail is worse than SPUD
OMG - 3 years ago - let me see what was I nearly doing 3 years ago ::)
Sorry Jack - seriously "nearly"s don't cut it. He was never coming back 3 years ago. The time for him was 1999 and he chose to stay in the comfy confines of Windy Hill. Not the poor unresourced tigers.
Now the Bombers have said bye bye - he wants to come back - pluuzzee.
Can tell you, he was going back 3 years ago, FACT
Only problem Miller didnt, Miller wanted Wallace as that was it.
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Moi, Sheeds to Richmond has nothing to do with me.
More like the high rollers who bankroll the club, now theres a cryptic clue.
This is a business , not the local footy club Gordon.
Sponsors have a big say unfortunately ,thats the way it is.
If Sheedy was to coach Richmond which I beleive will happen, The sponsors will be lining up.
Can also tell you that current players have lost there way, so you work out what will happen next.
Jackstar is quite accurate.
There are some very influential people involved and whether the people on this forum, Richmond members and supporters like it or not decisions will be made that will change the future of the club.
Correct!
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[Essendon's winning record since 2005 has been worse than even ours.
http://afl.allthestats.com/statistics/alltime.php?t2=&yrfm=2005&yrto=2007&gnd=0&inat=4&when=
Wow - that is really saying something. Didn't think anyone was worse than us.
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bye bye wallce, welcome kevin(as long as u stop barracking for the bombers)
Struth xXx you give the term bandwagon jumper new meaning
One minute your on Tezza, then sheeds, back to tezza, then sheeds, then tezza now sheeds
:rollin :rollin
if u read my posts , that one and previous ones, i have said, if terry stays fine, if he goes fine , whatever the club does i will still support my club.
about terry and ur reply post, what i said was
if it is true that terry has lost the players, there is no point in waisting 2 more yrs, thus bye bye terry , welcome kevin.
so that statement was based on if its true the players have lost terry and if its true that they say he is much worse a coach than spud.
there is a flip side though
if its only the older players who say this, and the younger group respect and believe in terry, then bye bye to all the senior group , and terry stays.
i dont want terry out just for the sake of getting sheedy in, the only , and only reason i would want terry out, id if has lost the entires group of players, thats my only concern.
whether thats me being on a changing and revolving band wagon , i dont know.
what ever happens, have to happen for the right reasons.
we cant get sheedy and sack wallace just for the sake of getting sheedy if the players want terry
we cant keep wallace just for the sake of saving money if the players and the board both agree that terry has no idea.
what the club has to do is really work hard and analyze whats best.
rfc has hit the x roads, whatever we do over the next this njext afl tv rights yrs( so 4 to go) will determine our future. we stay rockbottom over teh next 4 yrs, u can kiss the rfc goodbye, who knows where the afl will send us or make us fold
maybe thats what the board is scared of, thus having sheedy around may be just what we need to save our skins all over again
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CUB back on deck after the news.
Without having read through this yet, I will stae my backflip on previous comments.
We should get Sheedy on whatever basis role we can, if TW doesn't like it tough titys.
I dont care what others think 'outside rfc' but Sheeds does have the respect of the football world, TW does not - simple fact.
Just think it would be a massive boon for the club and the players to have someone so revered around.
Now I will go and sift through this thread, obviously skipping over multiple posts by a certain poster's' :lol :banghead
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so jackstar, whats ur mail about all this.
is march and teh footy club just bluffing , and then do a backflip in 6 weeks time, sack terry and get sheeds
or is march telling the truth
or
will crazy boy call for a board spill ,m sack everyone pay everyone and we start from scratch.
whats ur mail
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if crazy john was a real richmond man he'd just hand over the cash :banghead
What purpose would that serve to an egomaniac?
No publicty in that scenario
Maybe if Richo played wearing a Crazy John costume he'd give us the money.
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Just give us the $5M and go away lol
That's what I said earlier.
If he loves the club that's what u would do.
Not hold it to ransom, what a cretin ...........
I want this or I will hold my breath - some little children never grow up.
And I like the Sheedy for Miller suggestion :thumbsup
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We need Sheedy back in some capacity.
Sheedy is all about 'what is good for football', and a strong, competitive and firing Richmond is good for football.
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Moi, Sheeds to Richmond has nothing to do with me.
More like the high rollers who bankroll the club, now theres a cryptic clue.
This is a business , not the local footy club Gordon.
Sponsors have a big say unfortunately ,thats the way it is.
If Sheedy was to coach Richmond which I beleive will happen, The sponsors will be lining up.
Can also tell you that current players have lost there way, so you work out what will happen next.
Jackstar is quite accurate.
There are some very influential people involved and whether the people on this forum, Richmond members and supporters like it or not decisions will be made that will change the future of the club.
is there any chance you could be any more vague ::)
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Moi, Sheeds to Richmond has nothing to do with me.
More like the high rollers who bankroll the club, now theres a cryptic clue.
This is a business , not the local footy club Gordon.
Sponsors have a big say unfortunately ,thats the way it is.
If Sheedy was to coach Richmond which I beleive will happen, The sponsors will be lining up.
Can also tell you that current players have lost there way, so you work out what will happen next.
Jackstar is quite accurate.
There are some very influential people involved and whether the people on this forum, Richmond members and supporters like it or not decisions will be made that will change the future of the club.
is there any chance you could be any more vague ::)
Jack, are you being deliberately vague for fear of litigation or fear of being proven completely incorrect??
If your sauce is the same person who said Polak would spend most of the season playing in Coburg then I think I may have just answered my own question. ::)
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just get him doing something at the club !!!
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The only way any club will get sheedy to them is by offering him the senior coaching position.
If he is going to be an ambassodor for us he can just as easily and would probably be more willing to be an ambassodr for Essendon.
Senior coaching position is the only position he wants.
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Kevin Sheedy will coach AFL next year.
Judging by the number of pages devoted to him in todays paper he means more to the football world than he does to a few posters here.
To have K. Sheedy lead the RFC next year will automatically lift membership to greater heights than seen before.
It will also instill into the player group ,passion and a bit of mongrel and the Richmond spirit of having a go, something that has lacked for a long long time at Punt road. Something that Wallace cant manufacture, doesnt matter how hard he tries.
It will be a CULTURE change.
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Kevin Sheedy will coach AFL next year.
Judging by the number of pages devoted to him in todays paper he means more to the football world than he does to a few posters here.
To have K. Sheedy lead the RFC next year will automatically lift membership to greater heights than seen before.
It will also instill into the player group ,passion and a bit of mongrel and the Richmond spirit of having a go, something that has lacked for a long long time at Punt road. Something that Wallace cant manufacture, doesnt matter how hard he tries.
It will be a CULTURE change.
Yes I'm sure he will as well Jack. I reckon he'd really consider coaching Carlton as well if it was the only option available, he loves coaching so much and I personally believe he could coach for many years still.
As far as Sheedy coaching us next year, it's not entirely out of the question, but almost. There would definitely have to be a deal struck with Wallace where he would be willing to walk away without any negative emotion regarding the seperation. If Wallace was pushed, then March would have to walk himself and I'd say Miller would go as well, they would have to do this in order to save face and to keep there personal integrity intact.
There is no way March can just cast off Wallace even if he really wanted Sheedy without having to fall on his own sword himself.
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Kevin Sheedy will coach AFL next year.
Judging by the number of pages devoted to him in todays paper he means more to the football world than he does to a few posters here.
To have K. Sheedy lead the RFC next year will automatically lift membership to greater heights than seen before.
It will also instill into the player group ,passion and a bit of mongrel and the Richmond spirit of having a go, something that has lacked for a long long time at Punt road. Something that Wallace cant manufacture, doesnt matter how hard he tries.
It will be a CULTURE change.
so u r saying sheedy will definately be coaching us next year
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I think it is almost certain that either Wallace will have to walk or there will have to be a board spill for Sheedy to coach the Tigers anytime soon.
I don't think March will sack Wallace after his comments in the press today.
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Kevin Sheedy will coach AFL next year.
Judging by the number of pages devoted to him in todays paper he means more to the football world than he does to a few posters here.
To have K. Sheedy lead the RFC next year will automatically lift membership to greater heights than seen before.
It will also instill into the player group ,passion and a bit of mongrel and the Richmond spirit of having a go, something that has lacked for a long long time at Punt road. Something that Wallace cant manufacture, doesnt matter how hard he tries.
It will be a CULTURE change.
Then why did Essendon give him the flick if he is still that good? We're talking about Sheeds the coach of the past 3-4 years. He's 10 years too late coming to Richmond.
Sorry Jack but in all due respect I've heard all this wishful thinking before each time we get a new coach. In fact the same thing was said when Wallace was appointed.
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I think it is almost certain that either Wallace will have to walk or there will have to be a board spill for Sheedy to coach the Tigers anytime soon.
I don't think March will sack Wallace after his comments in the press today.
Jake, have you got my mobile bugged
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Kevin Sheedy will coach AFL next year.
Judging by the number of pages devoted to him in todays paper he means more to the football world than he does to a few posters here.
To have K. Sheedy lead the RFC next year will automatically lift membership to greater heights than seen before.
It will also instill into the player group ,passion and a bit of mongrel and the Richmond spirit of having a go, something that has lacked for a long long time at Punt road. Something that Wallace cant manufacture, doesnt matter how hard he tries.
It will be a CULTURE change.
Then why did Essendon give him the flick if he is still that good? We're talking about Sheeds the coach of the past 3-4 years. He's 10 years too late coming to Richmond.
Sorry Jack but in all due respect I've heard all this wishful thinking before each time we get a new coach. In fact the same thing was said when Wallace was appointed.
Can tell you Essendon made a big mistake
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Kevin Sheedy will coach AFL next year.
Judging by the number of pages devoted to him in todays paper he means more to the football world than he does to a few posters here.
To have K. Sheedy lead the RFC next year will automatically lift membership to greater heights than seen before.
It will also instill into the player group ,passion and a bit of mongrel and the Richmond spirit of having a go, something that has lacked for a long long time at Punt road. Something that Wallace cant manufacture, doesnt matter how hard he tries.
It will be a CULTURE change.
Then why did Essendon give him the flick if he is still that good? We're talking about Sheeds the coach of the past 3-4 years. He's 10 years too late coming to Richmond.
Sorry Jack but in all due respect I've heard all this wishful thinking before each time we get a new coach. In fact the same thing was said when Wallace was appointed.
i here what u r saying mt, but jack has implied its not wishful thing, and that sheeds will be at punt rd coaching and change the culture.
so jack, is this definate or just what u want
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Kevin Sheedy will coach AFL next year.
Judging by the number of pages devoted to him in todays paper he means more to the football world than he does to a few posters here.
To have K. Sheedy lead the RFC next year will automatically lift membership to greater heights than seen before.
It will also instill into the player group ,passion and a bit of mongrel and the Richmond spirit of having a go, something that has lacked for a long long time at Punt road. Something that Wallace cant manufacture, doesnt matter how hard he tries.
It will be a CULTURE change.
Then why did Essendon give him the flick if he is still that good? We're talking about Sheeds the coach of the past 3-4 years. He's 10 years too late coming to Richmond.
Sorry Jack but in all due respect I've heard all this wishful thinking before each time we get a new coach. In fact the same thing was said when Wallace was appointed.
Can tell you Essendon made a big mistake
lets hope so, wanna see the bombers have 25 yrs of misery and then see how many members they have! bet they dont have the character and support us tiges have!
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There is the subject of Wallets contract that needs to be addressed as he has the club screwed to the wall.
Who else in this world earns $600,000 a year and is a failure? ( 1 win , 16 games )
Would think if Wallace walks, March might go with him,
Marchs vision on this is understandable but his statements in the press today werent good. e.g. we dont need Sheedy on the footy side.
Like it or not, Kevin Sheedy is a legend, people think he is past it, it absolutely amazes me why people say that. Players at Essendon would die for him in a game of football, cant say the same of the Richmond players and Terrys effect on them.
The only way the Richmond Football Club will EVER go forward is to get a coach who is a QUALITY COACH ( not a spin doctoring used car salesman )and has the presence around him.
E.G. Sheedy, Matthews, Warsfold, Roos,
Tipping Wallace will walk
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so jack, are u tipping , guessing, hoping or know something
i minute u say sheedy will be coaching us, next minute u say u r tipping terry will work
just tell us,,
do u know something, or are u guessing or as mt suggested, wishful thinking?
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I told you 3 months ago that Sheedy wouldnt get his contract renewed and would coach RFC in 2008.
as of today its 50% there, you will just have to wait and see., wont you.
I dont really care what you think, MT or anyone else thinks actually.
Just telling you the truth, if you dont like it, dont reply to it.
Now , when can I collect my crown lagers ? ;)
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I think it is almost certain the Wallace will walk this year.
Listening to the radio this afternoon, the amount of Richmond supporters ringing up and saying that Wallace should go for Sheedy blew me away.
The pressure is going to build at a very rapid rate over the next month and i dont think Wallace will handle it, nor would anyone for that matter.
I agree that Sheedy will get all players onside and that players will not want to walk off the ground withour giving 100% each game.
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There is the subject of Wallets contract that needs to be addressed as he has the club screwed to the wall.
Who else in this world earns $600,000 a year and is a failure? ( 1 win , 16 games )
Like it or not, Kevin Sheedy is a legend, people think he is past it, it absolutely amazes me why people say that. Players at Essendon would die for him in a game of football, cant say the same of the Richmond players and Terrys effect on them.
What sort of $$$ was Sheeds on last year when he was failure (3 wins, 22 games). Where was the passion then! In fact Essendon has won less matches than Richmond since 2005. Their wins this year have been built on the back of one final gasp by their old premiership players (in particular one James Hird) which make up most of their side and playing on smaller grounds (Dome) where their lack of pace isn't exposed. Only one win at the 'G this year (by a kick against us). The Dons are sitting 10th btw and haven't played finals in 3 years starting in 2005 with a daylight better list at the time than the Tigers had. Topping up with Camporale, Heffernan, Michael is no better than getting Kingsley. Drafting poor old Kepler Bradley with pick 6 is no different to say us getting JON at #8. Essendon's recruiting over the past 5 years has been crap and they have all the finanical resources the RFC can only dream about. As for spin doctoring. Sheeds is the master of it Jack.
Hate Wallace for all his worth but we gave him a 5-year contract because the club financially and list-wise a disaster zone and it would take years to fix. If by 2009 it's time to move Wallace on then by all means do so. Sacking him mid-stream is hardly cultural change at Richmond :whistle. Any $1.2 million pay-out would be better spent being pumped into boosting our recruiting and development resources. Areas that will make a difference rather than this nostalgic nonsense no matter how much it is based on fact and is going on behind the scenes.
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What if he walks MT?
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There is the subject of Wallets contract that needs to be addressed as he has the club screwed to the wall.
Who else in this world earns $600,000 a year and is a failure? ( 1 win , 16 games )
Like it or not, Kevin Sheedy is a legend, people think he is past it, it absolutely amazes me why people say that. Players at Essendon would die for him in a game of football, cant say the same of the Richmond players and Terrys effect on them.
What sort of $$$ was Sheeds on last year when he was failure (3 wins, 22 games). Where was the passion then! In fact Essendon has won less matches than Richmond since 2005. Their wins this year have been built on the back of one final gasp by their old premiership players (in particular one James Hird) which make up most of their side and playing on smaller grounds (Dome) where their lack of pace isn't exposed. Only one win at the 'G this year (by a kick against us). The Dons are sitting 10th btw and haven't played finals in 3 years starting in 2005 with a daylight better list at the time than the Tigers had. Topping up with Camporale, Heffernan, Michael is no better than getting Kingsley. Drafting poor old Kepler Bradley with pick 6 is no different to say us getting JON at #8. Essendon's recruiting over the past 5 years has been crap and they have all the finanical resources the RFC can only dream about. As for spin doctoring. Sheeds is the master of it Jack.
Hate Wallace for all his worth but we gave him a 5-year contract because the club financially and list-wise a disaster zone and it would take years to fix. If by 2009 it's time to move Wallace on then by all means do so. Sacking him mid-stream is hardly cultural change at Richmond :whistle. Any $1.2 million pay-out would be better spent being pumped into boosting our recruiting and development resources. Areas that will make a difference rather than this nostalgic nonsense no matter how much it is based on fact and is going on behind the scenes.
You fail to see the big picture.
there will be no payout
Can tell you that the majority of Richmond people want Wallace out the door due to the damage he has done. eg Going against board directives by drafting playing over 25 years of age.. This club has endured enough pain, if you want to endure another two more years, yeah right. People are sick of it, Frawley now wallace.
Clean the place completely out, no jobs for mates, eg wayne Johnson ::)
His comments at the start of the year were a disgrace, The NAB CUP thing blew up in his face with him breaking down key players before seasons start( Dont see Roos doing that, do you)
Sheeds has 5 years left in him.
He will turn the club around OFF the ground and bring a wealth of experince with his assistants at footy level, not unknowns like David King and Jade Rawlings, never coached in the life and now there assistants at an AFL CLUB, GET REAL
BTW, Mal Michael would kill Kent Kingsley , but thats not the point, see the big picture.
And at least Kepler Bradley has play some games, JON wont!
hate to say Paddy Ryder 7 and JON 8 ? Oh dear
Also have had a close look at the Bendigo Bombers, who of the genuises here say that they havent got any good young players ::)
Fair Dinkum,
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Can tell you that the majority of Richmond people want Wallace out the door........
What's your definition of "Richmond people", Jack?
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Richmond people= people who have supportered the club for a lifetime and have endured enough pain over a number of years. Winning a wooden spoon this year is probably the nail in the coffin.
People should stop dreaming if you think no 1 draft picks are the answer too our problems as they arent
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Richmond people= people who have supportered the club for a lifetime and have endured enough pain over a number of years. Winning a wooden spoon this year is probably the nail in the coffin.
People should stop dreaming if you think no 1 draft picks are the answer too our problems as they arent
too true, with the exception of the 01 super draft the weagles haven't had very high picks, but have drafted superbly and IMO have a host of youngsters that would probably rival ours, oh and not to mention they are not rebuilding, they are playing for a premiership
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What if he walks MT?
What if he doesn't?
What happens then?
Another board coup spill - please - been there done and we are crap it to be honest
You fail to see the big picture.
there will be no payout
Can tell you that the majority of Richmond people want Wallace out the door due to the damage he has done. eg Going against board directives by drafting playing over 25 years of age.. This club has endured enough pain, if you want to endure another two more years, yeah right. People are sick of it, Frawley now wallace.
Clean the place completely out, no jobs for mates, eg wayne Johnson ::)
His comments at the start of the year were a disgrace, The NAB CUP thing blew up in his face with him breaking down key players before seasons start( Dont see Roos doing that, do you)
Sheeds has 5 years left in him.
He will turn the club around OFF the ground and bring a wealth of experince with his assistants at footy level, not unknowns like David King and Jade Rawlings, never coached in the life and now there assistants at an AFL CLUB, GET REAL
BTW, Mal Michael would kill Kent Kingsley , but thats not the point, see the big picture.
And at least Kepler Bradley has play some games, JON wont!
hate to say Paddy Ryder 7 and JON 8 ? Oh dear
Also have had a close look at the Bendigo Bombers, who of the genuises here say that they havent got any good young players ::)
Fair Dinkum,
this is where i get annoyed >:(
Please don't imply that I and many others don't see the big picture - I see the big picture bloody well indeed. Actually see it from 2 very different view points - one is a passionate member and the other is purely from the business side of footy and I reckon I have a pretty good undetstanding of the business side of footy. The CLub has a very clear plan it has been explained to everyone ad-nauseum for the last 3 years. So I don't quite get it, Jack, how you can keeping saying the board are not happy.
Are you privvy to what's being said at Board level? Don't think so
Also, it is ridiculous to suggest the "majority of Richmond people" want Wallace gone - have you spoken to the 38K odd members ::) plus the thousand of supporters. I don't think the faceless crowd and the likes of Mr Crazy (he doesn't even come close to being a richmond person) constitute the Majority. ??? :-\ :banghead
Also, what has the Bendigo bombers got to do with this arguement? Sure left over Essendon players play Bendigo but what has Bendigo's young players got to do with Essendon they arent on the Essendon list. If you want use that arguement then I'd say Richmond is in far better shape because Coburg have a younger list than Bendigo, dont chase re-cycled players like Jason Cloke and are currently 3 on the ladder. ::).
It seems to me you are wanting Wallace to walk, perhaps hoping
I don't think he will
So as I asked above if he doesn't walk what happens then....
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People should stop dreaming if you think no 1 draft picks are the answer too our problems as they arent
Coming 9th every year and topping up with hacks didn't bring us much joy either for memory ::)
Is this what you want? We'll get it with Sheeds!
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Richmond people= people who have supportered the club for a lifetime and have endured enough pain over a number of years.
Thanks. I thought you might have been refering to something more specific. :-\
I know quite a few people who fit your definition. I can honestly say not one of them wants Wallace gone right now.
What proof do you have to back up your claim that the majority want him out the door?
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I told you 3 months ago that Sheedy wouldnt get his contract renewed and would coach RFC in 2008.
as of today its 50% there, you will just have to wait and see., wont you.
I dont really care what you think, MT or anyone else thinks actually.
Just telling you the truth, if you dont like it, dont reply to it.
Now , when can I collect my crown lagers ? ;)
well u have half a slab sealed, when sheedy is in u get the other half
before the season /yr is out i will get u ur slab. pm or text me details on how to get them to u
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People should stop dreaming if you think no 1 draft picks are the answer too our problems as they arent
Coming 9th every year and topping up with hacks didn't bring us much joy either for memory ::)
Is this what you want? We'll get it with Sheeds!
Having NO 1 draft picks arent the solution to the RFC problems
You say Sheeds will draft hacks, wrong. Can tell you that Mal Michael has been a godsend for the bombers as it has freed up Dustin Fletcher, fact not fiction.
Anyway,back to the RFC, we have a culture problem and i wouldnt think ""Mr Solarium"" sorry I know ""Mr Solarium hasnt the answers to our problems, now where is that CRUNCH BALL gone ::)
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I told you 3 months ago that Sheedy wouldnt get his contract renewed and would coach RFC in 2008.
as of today its 50% there, you will just have to wait and see., wont you.
I dont really care what you think, MT or anyone else thinks actually.
Just telling you the truth, if you dont like it, dont reply to it.
Now , when can I collect my crown lagers ? ;)
well u have half a slab sealed, when sheedy is in u get the other half
before the season /yr is out i will get u ur slab. pm or text me details on how to get them to u
Tell you what xXx.
They day that Sheeds is elected we can meet for a celebration drink and wave goodbye to the used car salesman, will bring Bull as well , deal ?
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time will tell
i dont know whats going on, one side of me says terry should stay and will succeed
the other side of me says sheedy should come in
what i really wanna see is
richo, sugar, joel, tiv, tuck all gone regardless who the next coach is
we need to start by getting rid of anything linked to past failure and all players who have had their chance to prove they should stay
pee all the has beens and past knobs off.
let th ekids start to play togther and bond together
whether terry or sheedy or chris bond etc coaches us, thats what i wanna see!
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I told you 3 months ago that Sheedy wouldnt get his contract renewed and would coach RFC in 2008.
as of today its 50% there, you will just have to wait and see., wont you.
I dont really care what you think, MT or anyone else thinks actually.
Just telling you the truth, if you dont like it, dont reply to it.
Now , when can I collect my crown lagers ? ;)
well u have half a slab sealed, when sheedy is in u get the other half
before the season /yr is out i will get u ur slab. pm or text me details on how to get them to u
Tell you what xXx.
They day that Sheeds is elected we can meet for a celebration drink and wave goodbye to the used car salesman, will bring Bull as well , deal ?
thats a deal! i will bring a slab or crownies and some spirits cos i hate beer
so if this happens , expect u bull and i to get smashed on our very first gathering !
might end up being a day we will never forget , may start of as a gathering of 3, and turn out to be a massive tiger party!
:cheers
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Can tell you that Mal Michael has been a godsend for the bombers as it has freed up Dustin Fletcher, fact not fiction.
Little good he has done them and they're stuck with him!
Just another ageing hack they're going to have to get rid of.
In the meantime, no premiership - FACT ;D
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What if he walks MT?
What if he doesn't?
What happens then?
Another board coup spill - please - been there done and we are crap it to be honest
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Are you privvy to what's being said at Board level? Don't think so
Leave it at that WP.
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If Wallace doesnt walk then he is coach WP.
I just think going by the talkback tonight there is going to be a HUGE amount of pressure on Wallace and i dont think many people could handle it.
The more i think about it tonight the more i actually start to feel a little sorry for Wallace in that regard
At the end of the day all i want to see is sustained success for the RFC, could care less who is coaching really.
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Can tell you that Mal Michael has been a godsend for the bombers as it has freed up Dustin Fletcher, fact not fiction.
Little good he has done them and they're stuck with him!
Just another ageing hack they're going to have to get rid of.
In the meantime, no premiership - FACT ;D
Good to see your happy the way the RFC is run, 2 wooden spoons in 4 years.
Other clubs have success, EFC 2000 premiership, 2001 runners up.
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Lets hope all the terry walet lovers all buy memberships next year when that old senile bloke who happened to be on 8 pages of todays paper is the RFC coach in 2008.
Go Tiges.
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And the Bombers on the slide ever since. They should have at least remained competitive in the eight with the team they had. Instead, they've not looked forward and when their stars retire very very soon, they'll be up the creek. But who cares.
Good to see your happy the way the RFC is run, 2 wooden spoons in 4 years.
Other clubs have success, EFC 2000 premiership, 2001 runners up.
Yep, I'm a shocking supporter, Jack ::)
I don't think anyone could possibly label me as happy with the results of the last 26 years, let alone the last couple. But without going over the same poo everyone is sick of hearing from me, I did see a direction which hasn't happened for a long time. So I was willing to put up with coming last if it meant we would be going somewhere in the long run.
Yep, I ought to be flogged for showing some faith :banghead
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coming last doesnt mean we will go anywhere.
Lets move on
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I agree with you Moi, that when Wallace started we seen some direction.
I dont see it anymore.
Our current side is worse than the side Frawley last coached. Sure Frawley and co made bad decisions recruiting wise but we were at the bottom them (bottomed out if you like) now 3 years later and we have bottomed out again.
Wallace also has a lot to answer for.
I dont believe he puts the club ahead of himself.
Sheedy would and that is the BIG difference.
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Sheeds on the footy show said a bit of landscape has opened up. If it doesn't happen he'll take 12 months off. They asked him would he go to another club but not as senior coach and Sheeds said that's the bit of landscape. He said Melbourne clubs need more help and experience around the place.
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Sheedy would and that is the BIG difference.
See Bull (and I am glad you raised this) - how do we know? how do we really know. Do we assume he will because he played 251 games for the RFC.
He has had ample opportunities over the last 10 years in particulare to come back and chose not to for whatever reason. Now he (suuposedly) wants to come back - that doesn't seem to me putting the RFC first that seems to (me at least) Sheeds putting Sheeds first.
Just my take :thumbsup
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Yep, I ought to be flogged for showing some faith :banghead
Shame on you, shame on me ;) ;D
Off with ya head :rollin
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if i had a contract theres no way id walk, id stick around until they sacked me to get the cash jacko.
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Sheedy would and that is the BIG difference.
See Bull (and I am glad you raised this) - how do we know? how do we really know. Do we assume he will because he played 251 games for the RFC.
He has had ample opportunities over the last 10 years in particulare to come back and chose not to for whatever reason. Now he (suuposedly) wants to come back - that doesn't seem to me putting the RFC first that seems to (me at least) Sheeds putting Sheeds first.
Just my take :thumbsup
I can honestly say he isnt putting himself first ;)
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After reading the sheedy comments its fair IMHO to assume that Sheedy will be at Punt Rd next year. The comment about 'I cant talk about it" ... that says alot. Why not! Arent all the clubs that need coaches out in the open? The last question is who and how is Wallace going to be paid out?
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Sheeds for Miller
as a result no payout for Wallace and a chance to improve us by the end of his 5 year tenure.
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Sheedy hints at new role next season
July 26, 2007 - 11:52PM | AAP
Essendon coach Kevin Sheedy has hinted that he could take up a new role at another AFL club next season.
The Bombers announced this week that this will be the last of Sheedy's 27 seasons in charge of the club.
Asked about his future coaching prospects, Sheedy was typically cryptic in suggesting there could be a new position created for him at another club.
"There'll be a different position available maybe in the next few months and we'll look at all of those sorts of things, there's a little bit of landscape developing," Sheedy told the Nine Network's AFL Footy Show.
He said his experience gained at the Bombers could prove useful elsewhere.
"I think that clubs are going to need experienced people around and I think in the end, to be quite honest, Melbourne clubs are in more trouble, I think, a little bit then perhaps interstate clubs," he said.
"So you just need a little bit of experience around some footy clubs."
http://news.realfooty.com.au/sheedy-hints-at-new-role-next-season/20073926-pyb.html
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Craig McRae ... last week ... assured Richmond that he wants to remain at Punt Road as a development coach for at least another year.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22140374-5012432,00.html
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It was reported in the Herald Sun that Mrs Sheedy said that Kevin was terribly hurt by what had happened at Essendon. Also, the whole family are Essendon supporters.
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Sheedy would and that is the BIG difference.
See Bull (and I am glad you raised this) - how do we know? how do we really know. Do we assume he will because he played 251 games for the RFC.
He has had ample opportunities over the last 10 years in particulare to come back and chose not to for whatever reason. Now he (suuposedly) wants to come back - that doesn't seem to me putting the RFC first that seems to (me at least) Sheeds putting Sheeds first.
Just my take :thumbsup
this is my take
why sheeds would make a difference
because sheeds is teh new "mr football"
what did it take for a really f up sydney side , and i mean a really stuffed up one like our side to ressurrect itself?
it took a man called ron barassi
sure they didnt win a flag with ron, but ron changed the club inside out.
now when terry took over he gave hope, and let us believe we were gonna go ok and he was going to fix the train wreck created by spud
now the way i see it, atm, terry was doing a gr8 job at rebuilding this train wreck, and this yr, rather than put final touches to the train before really test driving it, he took it out for a spin and crashed the mutha train in such a way that the train is in worse shape than ever before.
terry somewhere along the line, didnt recondition this train right, somewhere he missed a part here and there, or maybe he just was really a qualified mechanic and was just someone who knew a bit about trains but really was no train engineer.
so enter sheedy, and with sheedy will come more sponsors , more members, much more publicity and thus more money to finally get the right ppl, to build this damn train from scratch again and do it right.
the more i think about , the more i am starting to believe terry really only has 1 skill, and that is of bs'ing his way into and out of anything.
just my food 4 thought 4 the day
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Jack
Simple reason why TW will not "walk" - his professional career would be over. He would have no currency as a future coach and no currency in the media. He's a young man, he needs to work, he's not going to give everything up with more than two years to run on a contract.
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Here's my take on things after reading the last few pages:
Jackstar keeps pushing very hard, but I think he's losing the plot. He has his own agenda, is completely biased, is obsessive about Wallace, and therefore has less credibility. Everything he says should be put through an "I hate Wallace" filter. Like most filters, this one would catch and stop an awful lot of rubbish and "gunk".
WP and fishfinger, among others, have taken him to task on some of his comments, and he has continually failed their examinations.His answers should not satisfy any reasonable person.
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Here's my take on things after reading the last few pages:
Jackstar keeps pushing very hard, but I think he's losing the plot. He has his own agenda, is completely biased, is obsessive about Wallace, and therefore has less credibility. Everything he says should be put through an "I hate Wallace" filter. Like most filters, this one would catch and stop an awful lot of rubbish and "gunk".
WP and fishfinger, among others, have taken him to task on some of his comments, and he has continually failed their examinations.His answers should not satisfy any reasonable person.
Oh Gordon.
Nothing to do with me.
Look at the big picture. K. Sheedy at RFc would be massive.
Anyway, you better get used to the idea.
Fact of the matter are the Wallace is a failure, he has failed to reach any of the KPI,s that were set ( 1 win from 16 ::) )
Tell me this Gordon, I said at the START of the year that they wouldnt win a game, you and other posters bagged the crap of out me, hey i was wrong, RFC won 1 game :thumbsup GREAT EFFORT.
If Terry Wallace was employed in any other business, he would have been shown the door by now..
If you read the paper today, Geraldine has let the cat of the bag ( cant trust woman ;) ) by saying he will coach next year.
He will coach netx year, hopefully common sense prevails and the transaction is smooth
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Jack
Simple reason why TW will not "walk" - his professional career would be over. He would have no currency as a future coach and no currency in the media. He's a young man, he needs to work, he's not going to give everything up with more than two years to run on a contract.
MJS.
Your dreaming.
SPUD, was sacked and now has a successful media career. ::)
Terry will be back in the media where he is highly regarded.
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Now Jack this is a serious question and I want to make sure I understnding your position clearly.
Your Sheedy to Richmond thing is based on your belief that Wallace will walk? On'y that? Yeah or Neah
As I said I don't think it will happen but I owuld like the answer to that one please
Now just on aside - you said yesterday there would be no payout if Wallace goes. Well I think there would be. Based on what you 're saying Sheeds would bring his own support act. Our current assistants are all contracted - if they go they will have to be be paid out - so there would be a payout
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Craig McRae ... last week ... assured Richmond that he wants to remain at Punt Road as a development coach for at least another year.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22140374-5012432,00.html
Fly has been a great pick up for the Tiges...
Was actually headhunted - that is he was their number 1 choice and they went and got him :clapping
Who emplyed him again :whistle :whistle
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Who did employ him ?
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Now Jack this is a serious question and I want to make sure I understnding your position clearly.
Your Sheedy to Richmond thing is based on your belief that Wallace will walk? On'y that? Yeah or Neah
As I said I don't think it will happen but I owuld like the answer to that one please
Now just on aside - you said yesterday there would be no payout if Wallace goes. Well I think there would be. Based on what you 're saying Sheeds would bring his own support act. Our current assistants are all contracted - if they go they will have to be be paid out - so there would be a payout
Let you in on a little secret :shh
All contracts are conditional. ala Cameron at the Demons-has 2 years to go but is free due to Daniher not being there
Walllace will walk because the board wants a restructure and he doesnt want to be told who he can and cant have. They will then come to an agreement .
""ÏF "" this doesnt occur for some unknown reason,this would cause a problem. You will then find there will be an external push or as has been said before "" faceless people "" being involved.
Hey, i am only telling you what i know.
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Now Jack this is a serious question and I want to make sure I understnding your position clearly.
Your Sheedy to Richmond thing is based on your belief that Wallace will walk? On'y that? Yeah or Neah
As I said I don't think it will happen but I owuld like the answer to that one please
Now just on aside - you said yesterday there would be no payout if Wallace goes. Well I think there would be. Based on what you 're saying Sheeds would bring his own support act. Our current assistants are all contracted - if they go they will have to be be paid out - so there would be a payout
Let you in on a little secret :shh
All contracts are conditional. ala Cameron at the Demons-has 2 years to go but is free due to Daniher not being there
Walllace will walk because the board wants a restructure and he doesnt want to be told who he can and cant have. They will then come to an agreement .
""ÏF "" this doesnt occur for some unknown reason,this would cause a problem. You will then find there will be an external push or as has been said before "" faceless people "" being involved.
Hey, i am only telling you what i know.
jack,
you are definetly on the sheeds payroll, what a load of absolute crap :ROTFL
Wallet will not walk. No way. So the whole basis of your argument is completely distroyed.
And as for Sheeds, I have it on great authority that he will not come back 'home mate', not now, and not ever. This story is just another sheedy ploy to increase his value in the market, he has been using his "association" with the tigers for the last 27 years to extract more money from his previous employer. He is just doing the same to his next employer. And I can guarantee one thing, and this will be the last I say on the matter as it is getting real old, his new employer will not be richmond. ;)
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Mate, you are entitled to your opinion.
I just tell you what I know.
Sometimes I agree, sometimes I dont
Have a nice day ;D
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Mate, you are entitled to your opinion.
I just tell you what I know.
Sometimes I agree, sometimes I dont
Have a nice day ;D
cheers enough said,
fairytale time is over :lol
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LMAO
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why dont we all just give this a rest, and if jack is right, then i wont be the only one owing him a slab of crownies
time will tell, and things atm are def looking in fav of sheedy cos terry has lost control of the train wreck he was trying to rebuild
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Kevin!!!! Is that you
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What if he walks MT?
He didn't sound like a man wanting to walk on Wednesday when a group of us spoke to him. As I've said before his ego wouldn't allow him. I mean certain folk here call him a shifty, snake oil salesman who only cares about himself. Now even if that's so then more the reason he won't walk out on a contract with 2 years left to run.
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You fail to see the big picture.
there will be no payout
Can tell you that the majority of Richmond people want Wallace out the door due to the damage he has done. eg Going against board directives by drafting playing over 25 years of age.. This club has endured enough pain, if you want to endure another two more years, yeah right. People are sick of it, Frawley now wallace.
Clean the place completely out, no jobs for mates, eg wayne Johnson ::)
His comments at the start of the year were a disgrace, The NAB CUP thing blew up in his face with him breaking down key players before seasons start( Dont see Roos doing that, do you)
WP answered most of the points for me but these so-called Richmond people have only themselves to blame. I didn't realise the current crop of officials were responsible for the past 25 years of failure. Maybe if these so-called Richmond people could look past their own egos and nose and had some discipline and professionalism in the past to allow the Club the stability to see through implemented plans and not function like the rabble it has been for over two decades we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place for them to have had enough now ::). Sorry Jack screw what they think.
The Swans have copped injuries this year despite how good Roos and the Swans medical resources are and have been. That's why they are mid-table. In any case if you applied the sack to one bad fitness and coaching year to Thompson and Laidley they wouldn't be coaching this year. Hell what happened to Sheeds last year. More twangs than a Warner Brothers cartoon.
Sheeds was a great coach but his time has come and gone just as Pagan's has. Time to move on.
BTW, Mal Michael would kill Kent Kingsley , but thats not the point, see the big picture.
And at least Kepler Bradley has play some games, JON wont!
hate to say Paddy Ryder 7 and JON 8 ? Oh dear
Also have had a close look at the Bendigo Bombers, who of the genuises here say that they havent got any good young players ::)
Fair Dinkum,
Ryder will be a star but very little else to get excited about at Bomberland at this stage. Blokes like Watson, Winderlich and Stanton are 5 year players who took 4 years at least to come on; They're not kids. Funny how at Richmond we write our kids off after 2 years ::). Michael, Fletcher and co aren't the big picture. In 2 years they'll be gone as will many of their older players. That's why Sheeds got the flick.
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Sheeds on the footy show said a bit of landscape has opened up. If it doesn't happen he'll take 12 months off. They asked him would he go to another club but not as senior coach and Sheeds said that's the bit of landscape. He said Melbourne clubs need more help and experience around the place.
Going by what Sheeds said on the footy show he is thinking of coming to Punt Rd in some capacity as March has offered. I don't have a problem with that. He would add to the Club especially in an off-field role. It's just that his days as a senior coach have past.
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Whats amazing why people want to talk about other clubs.
Lets focus on the RFC for a minute.
2 wooden spoons in 4 years.
Terrible culture which hasnt improved with the current coach.
Poor recruiting over a numbers of years which HASNT improved in the past 3 years under Miller and co.
A current game plan which is a joke.
Inexperienced assistant coaches
Inability to bring the best out of the current group of players with players under achieving
If anyone thinks the club is heading in the right direction, good luck to you because I dont !
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the biggest hurdle this club faces,time and time again,is the members and supporters...............
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Whats amazing why people want to talk about other clubs.
The Essendon football club is pretty relevant to the discussion ::)
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Whats amazing why people want to talk about other clubs.
The Essendon football club is pretty relevant to the discussion ::)
Wrong, just deflecting from the mess the RFC is in at the moment.
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the biggest hurdle this club faces,time and time again,is the members and supporters...............
True that. ;D
Wallace signed for 5 years as disastrous on the face of it as this year has been he deserves to at least be given another season.
...and for all those on the Sheedy bandwagon he does not come with Hird, Lloyd, Lucas, Fletcher in their prime and all the other fine footballers at Essendon over his time.
He comes with a team in decline that has made some extremely questionable decisions in recent years.
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Whats amazing why people want to talk about other clubs.
The Essendon football club is pretty relevant to the discussion ::)
Wrong, just deflecting from the mess the RFC is in at the moment.
When some people are pushing for change to the coach and the person they are pushing forward has a worst record over the past 3 years with a more experienced list than the coach we've got at the moment then I'd argue it is relevant. Changing coaches doesn't change the culture of clubs btw. Richmond is the classic example of that.
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Too change the coach now would be adhering to that culture now wouldn't it.
AND that is what we are trying to change isn't it ???
I still expect and believe there will be a reasonable improvement next year, if not - well we will see.
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Yesterdays man!
He has trouble stringing a sentence together these days & his answers to Q's bare little resemblence to the Q. Have a listen to his next press conference. Essendon aren't chopping him for no reason - aren't offering another club position either.
President of the past players at best!
:gotigers
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xXx I haven't read anything you have posted yet that resembles factual. Only the bagging and whinging that makes me gringe.
Try telling us who you like rather than who you don't.
Richo (legend & 11 time goal kicking award) & Joel (dual B & F) are like tiger sons & we don't bag family in public!!
:wallywink
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old shady sheedy up to no good again :clapping
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old shady sheedy up to no good again :clapping
I think you're right, Rog
He knew he was gone in January and made sure he made it known to the biggest gossips in town just so he could feel the market after the Bombers lol :shh
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old shady sheedy up to no good again :clapping
I think you're right, Rog
He knew he was gone in January and made sure he made it known to the biggest gossips in town just so he could feel the market after the Bombers lol :shh
::)
At least he won premierships, Wallace just dreams about them, and thats all they will ever be for Terry, a dream ::)
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Malthouse is 50 when is he out of contract, hes the coach for us.
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Malthouse is 50 when is he out of contract, hes the coach for us.
Sorry Ramps.
Malthouse was born 17th August 1953. makes him 54 next month.
Wont agrue over 4 years though
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my apologies Jacko. ;D
I will try and be more specific in future lol.
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Great coach is Malthouse.
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Great coach is Malthouse.
100% spot on.
Up to date with the tactics of the game
Great ability to upskill average players
Great ability to structure up a club so as to develop youngsters fast.
Still has major fire in the guts.
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Great coach is Malthouse.
100% spot on.
Up to date with the tactics of the game
Great ability to upskill average players
Great ability to structure up a club so as to develop youngsters fast.
Still has major fire in the guts.
All good points and accurate also Ramps.
Our only problem is not have the $$$ to set up similar structures to Collingwood.
Maybe if Sheedy was coach and we had 40,000 members we could afford it :shh
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Interesting that Guy McKenna is the first choice at Windy Hill :shh
Would think that Malthouse is miles ahead with his processes than certain other coaches who I wont mention.
Now what time was that Solarium appointment
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Interesting that Guy McKenna is the first choice at Windy Hill :shh
Would think that Malthouse is miles ahead with his processes than certain other coaches who I wont mention.
Now what time was that Solarium appointment
Don't forget your psychiatrist is at 10!
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Interesting that Guy McKenna is the first choice at Windy Hill :shh
Would think that Malthouse is miles ahead with his processes than certain other coaches who I wont mention.
Now what time was that Solarium appointment
Don't forget your psychiatrist is at 10!
Already been ::)
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Interesting that Guy McKenna is the first choice at Windy Hill :shh
Would think that Malthouse is miles ahead with his processes than certain other coaches who I wont mention.
Now what time was that Solarium appointment
Don't forget your psychiatrist is at 10!
and your "massage" is at 11.
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Pretty obvisous to a number of people the difference between a good coach and a ordinary coach
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Interesting that Guy McKenna is the first choice at Windy Hill :shh
Would think that Malthouse is miles ahead with his processes than certain other coaches who I wont mention.
Now what time was that Solarium appointment
Don't forget your psychiatrist is at 10!
and your "massage" is at 11.
You might find Wallet down at Brazilian Butterfly at Darling Harbour this arvo :lol
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Interesting that Guy McKenna is the first choice at Windy Hill :shh
Would think that Malthouse is miles ahead with his processes than certain other coaches who I wont mention.
Now what time was that Solarium appointment
Don't forget your psychiatrist is at 10!
and your "massage" is at 11.
Just trying to be helpful - you know how men forget these things :lol
I had a massage the other day at Southland by one of those Chinamen
OUCH!!! never again lol
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Pretty obvisous to a number of people the difference between a good coach and a ordinary coach
Yeah Nah, you are not quite right there.
Pretty obvious to a number of people the difference between an ordinary coach and a bad coach.
Picking the good ones is a little harder.
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Thanx 1965, never been able to get my head around the spelling of obvious, have now. :thumbsup
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Thanx 1965, never been able to get my head around the spelling of obvious, have now. :thumbsup
I would have thought the spelling was obvious.
:rollin :rollin
Anyway, can we win tonight and will that save TW?
:gotigers
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Nah, wouldnt think so. might get blown out of the water tonite.
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LMAO@ Jack being God.
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They should try and get someone like Don Pyke to become Performance & List Manager at Richmond. The club should also try and appoint a sports psychologist. We have big problems at Punt Rd.
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LMAO@ Jack being God.
Well, half the time when he makes a comment I say out loud "Geez", so you could be close to the mark! ;D
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LMAO@ Jack being God.
I thought you were OX ;)
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Interesting that Guy McKenna is the first choice at Windy Hill :shh
Would think that Malthouse is miles ahead with his processes than certain other coaches who I wont mention.
Now what time was that Solarium appointment
Kackstar the genius...
"Malthouse is miles ahead with his processes..."
Yeah right.
;)
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The Pies eventually had to crack. Their list is ordinary but they usually beat other sides through outworking the opposition. When they meet a classy opponent who can match or better their workrate they crumble. Not a premiership threat even before tonight.
As for us, Wallace or Sheeds can't kick goals for us from the coaches box when we have the momentum of the game.
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Sheeds prepared to wait
29 July 2007 Sunday Herald Sun
Jon Ralph
ESSENDON coach Kevin Sheedy said he was prepared for 12 months out of coaching if not hired by a rival club next year, intensifying speculation he could make a grandstand return to Richmond.
Sheedy said he was confident of winning a head role next year, but would not give up his aspirations if overlooked by Carlton, Melbourne or Fremantle.
Terry Wallace has been assured of continuing as Richmond coach next year, but another poor season would see white-hot pressure on the Tigers board to consider replacing him with the legend.
Sheedy scoffed at claims he should retire and said he still had plenty of fire in his belly.
"I love coaching," he said. "It is a burning ambition. If you don't coach for a year, some other mob will say, 'Geez, this bloke can really coach'. There is plenty out there at the moment - judging by the last two days."
Sheedy would not reveal whether he had been approached, but said he would consider all coaching models.
In a frank interview, Sheedy:
SAID he would be happy to coach in an English Premier League-style partnership with a coach learning the ropes.
REBUTTED talk he had been offered a one-year contract while developing a young assistant at Essendon like Michael Voss.
REVEALED the Essendon board had not once spoken to him about his contract, including during the Monday night board meeting where they later voted not to renew his contract.
WOULD be happy to coach Victoria's State of Origin team next year if he was not coaching elsewhere and was offered the position.
SAID even a flag this year would not have been enough to see his contract extended.
WAS denied a chance by the Essendon board to investigate recruiting Irishman Martin Clarke last year, told it was "wasted expenditure".
CONFIRMED he would have accepted a two- or three-year deal if the board had offered him one.
WAS unsure whether he would work with the AFL in an ambassadorial role after years of sparring with the league.
Sheedy said the English Premier League model - experienced manager alongside an elite coach - could work.
"You will have to start looking at the Alex Ferguson model," he said.
"And you will need it more so in Melbourne than you would in Manchester. That is all I will say about that. And I will shape that role when it comes or if it comes and whoever it is for."
Sheedy said it would be up to the public and himself to judge what the Essendon board had done.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22151235%255E19742,00.html
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Endearing Sheedy leaves lasting impact as man and coach
Caroline Wilson | July 29, 2007 | The Age
Long-suffering, wounded and perplexed Richmond supporters look to him for salvation and set great store by the fact that he so firmly still grasps onto his Tigerland roots, but I am not sure whether the two parties should join forces now.
Sheedy's coaching legend was supported and built not only by himself but by a stable, successful football club, just as he in turn helped build Essendon. There is a group of influential Richmond supporters keen to get him back to Punt Road in some fashion, but whether that would work while Terry Wallace is coach is doubtful.
I hate to say this, but maybe Richmond is too small now for the big picture man.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/endearing-sheedy-leaves-lasting-impact-as-man-and-coach/2007/07/28/1185339318893.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
Meanwhile, Garry Lyon wants Sheeds at Melbourne.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22151234%255E19742,00.html
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Jackson: Sheeds don't coach again
30 July 2007 Herald Sun
Daryl Timms
ESSENDON chief executive Peter Jackson hopes axed veteran Kevin Sheedy does not coach another club after his 27-year reign at Windy Hill ends.
Jackson, whose report to the Bombers ended Sheedy's career, said he doesn't know what he would gain by coaching another club.
Former Essendon chairman Graeme McMahon said yesterday, "I know Kevin wants to coach and I have spoken to him since this thing happened. He doesn't want to get out of it and he does want to coach," McMahon said.
"I sincerely hope he now finds another club that is willing to give him a crack and I hope he succeeds."
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22155333%255E20322,00.html
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SACK WALLACE NOW!
why waste another yr or 2
sheedy is ready and waiting!
lets cut our losses and start again, we will gain nothing by keeping wallae on.
i massive thumping by geelong just may seal wallaces fate!
go cats!
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SACK WALLACE NOW!
why waste another yr or 2
sheedy is ready and waiting!
lets cut our losses and start again, we will gain nothing by keeping wallae on.
i massive thumping by geelong just may seal wallaces fate!
go cats!
Jackstar agreeing with xXx :thumbsup
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i have been patient with wallace but now i have lost it
all i wanted was to se improvement in teh 2nd half of teh season as terry has said we would see it time and time again!
terry is a bs liar, we are sliding bacwards at a rapid rate
the buck stops with terry he has failed
and continually makes bs promises and statements to save his behind
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i have been patient with wallace but now i have lost it
all i wanted was to se improvement in teh 2nd half of teh season as terry has said we would see it time and time again!
terry is a bs liar, we are sliding bacwards at a rapid rate
the buck stops with terry he has failed
and continually makes bs promises and statements to save his behind
Told you before Round 1 ::)
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SACK HIM THIS WEEK :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray ;D
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SACK HIM THIS WEEK :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray ;D
You can only hope.
See how clubs like Freo and Carlton have acted , and we pussy foot about things ::)
Thats why as a club, we have been no good for a long time.
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im sure someone in the background is sharpening those blades, it wouldnt be RFC if it wasnt happening, thats WHY as a club , we havent been a pinch of poo.
it has nothing to do with the cattle on the park over the years of course not.
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im sure someone in the background is sharpening those blades, it wouldnt be RFC if it wasnt happening, thats WHY as a club , we havent been a pinch of poo.
it has nothing to do with the cattle on the park over the years of course not.
The supporters arent responsible for the cattle on the park, someone has to be made accountable dont they ?, The supporters didnt recruit Kent Kingsley and Trent Knoble did they ? and waste spots on the list.
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Demons scan Sheedy brand
The Australian | Chip Le Grand | August 02, 2007
Sheedy made clear his interest in the Melbourne job yesterday, following confirmation from Demons chief executive Steve Harris that Sheedy was on the club's short list of candidates to replace Neale Daniher. In doing so, Sheedy backed his ability not only to win games but to sell the cash-poor club in the overcrowded Victorian market.
If Sheedy switches to Melbourne next season, it will be the most dramatic change of clubs by a coach since Tom Hafey left Richmond for Collingwood. It may also reveal the full strength of the Sheedy "brand".
Tim Riches, the Australian managing director of Future Brand, one of the world's leading brand strategists, believes Sheedy is the Richard Branson of football.
Riches argues that, like Branson and his Virgin group of companies, Sheedy personifies Essendon to the extent that his own brand may have become bigger than the club he has coached to four premierships since 1981.
The $1 million question for Melbourne - and analysis commissioned by The Australian suggests this is no throwaway figure - is the extent to which Sheedy's brand can transfer to the Demons and bring with it the kind of membership and sponsorship spoils that have made Essendon one of the most powerful clubs.
According to modelling done by a well-placed industry source, Sheedy going to his old club Richmond would bring an immediate financial benefit of $750,000 in new members and as much in new sponsorship, for a total cash injection of up to $1.5million in his first year.
As an aside, this is roughly the figure Richmond would require to pay out Terry Wallace for the next two years and pay Sheedy in his first year. So far, the Tigers insist they are not interested.
Full article at: http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22173894-5012432,00.html
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According to modelling done by a well-placed industry source, Sheedy going to his old club Richmond would bring an immediate financial benefit of $750,000 in new members and as much in new sponsorship, for a total cash injection of up to $1.5million in his first year.
As an aside, this is roughly the figure Richmond would require to pay out Terry Wallace for the next two years and pay Sheedy in his first year. So far, the Tigers insist they are not interested.
Why wouldn't this "source" put their name to this claim if true. Like to know where these 5,000+ new members are magically going to come from immediately ::).
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Sheeds caught telling porkies. Said he didn't meet Melbourne today and then Dees' CEO Stephen Harris comes out later and says they did chat for an hour at the Hilton after Sheeds book thingy today lol.
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According to modelling done by a well-placed industry source, Sheedy going to his old club Richmond would bring an immediate financial benefit of $750,000 in new members and as much in new sponsorship, for a total cash injection of up to $1.5million in his first year.
As an aside, this is roughly the figure Richmond would require to pay out Terry Wallace for the next two years and pay Sheedy in his first year. So far, the Tigers insist they are not interested.
Why wouldn't this "source" put their name to this claim if true. Like to know where these 5,000+ new members are magically going to come from immediately ::).
Theres probably 5000 members that havent renewed over the last few years.
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i thought i heard some cryptic clues from his aftermatch press conference last week. old shady sheedy at it again.
hope tw isnt feeling the pinch.
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Well if Sheeds was so desparate to come "home" to Richmond - he wouldn't be talking to Melbourne. ;)
Actually don't think he should be talking to anyone while he is currently employed by an AFL Club. This isn't the NRL for crying out loud
Or perhaps Sheeds is smart enough to relaise that there just aint no job going at Punt Road Oval at the present time ;) ;D
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Theres probably 5000 members that havent renewed over the last few years.
True Bully but then that's counting on everyone who has ever been a RFC member all signing up at once. All clubs each year have new members joining and some old members for whatever reason not rejoining. Without some onfield success and some bandwagon element, I can't see 5000 more people jumping on over one summer after a record membership year this year.
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Theres probably 5000 members that havent renewed over the last few years.
True Bully but then that's counting on everyone who has ever been a RFC member all signing up at once. All clubs each year have new members joining and some old members for whatever reason not rejoining. Without some onfield success and some bandwagon element, I can't 5000 more people jumping on over one summer after a record membership year this year.
True MT - when we signed Tezza everyone expected a large increase in membership (say 4-5k) and it didn't happen. Been solidly building but the instant impact wasn't there.
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Hutchy reckons Melbourne is Sheeds best chance of being a coach next year and Sheeds only chance. Sheeds said it isn't. Going to talk to Freo as well. Essendon has given Sheeds permission to talk to other clubs.
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Our "future" coach's team just got pumped by over 10 goals today but hey he is magically going to turn us around according to the nostalgic few :whistle.
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Don't believe it, MT, you're just pulling our legs lol :rollin
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Our "future" coach's team just got pumped by over 10 goals today but hey he is magically going to turn us around according to the nostalgic few :whistle.
At least he has won premierships.Wallace just dreams about it :whistle :whistle
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Any of those premierships come in an era of salary cap breaches?
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Our "future" coach's team just got pumped by over 10 goals today but hey he is magically going to turn us around according to the nostalgic few :whistle.
At least he has won premierships.Wallace just dreams about it :whistle :whistle
This is about 2008 and beyond; not ancient history.
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Any of those premierships come in an era of salary cap breaches?
Salary breaches ::)
Whats stopping major supporters giving players a house to live in, a car to drive etc etc. Its happens now with the clubs having no connection ::)
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Don't believe it, MT, you're just pulling our legs lol :rollin
No, you weren't - 63 points :help
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Nope, I'm sold. Let's get Sheeds and move back to 9th next year and beyond...everyone have proven patience is a waste. Did Mal Michael sign a one year deal? Maybe we can lure him over too. That should do the trick.
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Don't believe it, MT, you're just pulling our legs lol :rollin
No, you weren't - 63 points :help
If the Bombers' home ground was the 'G they'd be down with us. The aging slow legs of their old premiership players are exposed on the bigger grounds.
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Don't believe it, MT, you're just pulling our legs lol :rollin
No, you weren't - 63 points :help
If the Bombers' home ground was the 'G they'd be down with us. The aging slow legs of their old premiership players are exposed on the bigger grounds.
Good point, but back to us. Would Sheeds be encouraging we play more games at the Dome? I would have thought yes :help
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seriously, how are the bombers meant to perform?
last week they did it, but its hard to come up again knowing that ur fatehr figure, mentor, coach has been taken away from you. the bombers must be going through some kind of emotional stress atm. all this hype about sheeds fairwell tour.
does not matter how bad the bombers do from here, sheeds has proven time and time again he is a better coach and a more respected person than wallace
respect goes along way
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seriously, how are the bombers meant to perform?
last week they did it, but its hard to come up again knowing that ur fatehr figure, mentor, coach has been taken away from you. the bombers must be going through some kind of emotional stress atm. all this hype about sheeds fairwell tour.
does not matter how bad the bombers do from here, sheeds has proven time and time again he is a better coach and a more respected person than wallace
respect goes along way
Oh pluuuhhhzeeeeeeeee
They are playing for a place in the 8 - you know the 8 it = finals.
Well xXx I will tell you something about respect. And you are correct respect goes along way.
But if Sheeds has been talking to people about coming back to Richmond while:
1/ Still coaching the Bombers
2/ While we have a coach under contract
3/ and speaking to people who have no "official" connection to the RFC (eg members of the board)
4/ which means by default he is undermining this footy club
Then I for one have lost an amount of repsect for one K Sheedy.
And respect does go a long way
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seriously, how are the bombers meant to perform?
last week they did it, but its hard to come up again knowing that ur fatehr figure, mentor, coach has been taken away from you. the bombers must be going through some kind of emotional stress atm. all this hype about sheeds fairwell tour.
does not matter how bad the bombers do from here, sheeds has proven time and time again he is a better coach and a more respected person than wallace
respect goes along way
Oh pluuuhhhzeeeeeeeee
They are playing for a place in the 8 - you know the 8 it = finals.
Well xXx I will tell you something about respect. And you are correct respect goes along way.
But if Sheeds has been talking to people about coming back to Richmond while:
1/ Still coaching the Bombers
2/ While we have a coach under contract
3/ and speaking to people who have no "official" connection to the RFC (eg members of the board)
4/ which means by default he is undermining this footy club
The I for one have lost an amount of repsect for one K Sheedy.
And respect does go a long way
And I think he's been doing it all year, WP, since the threads on here started.
A pretty selfish individual IMO - just thinking of himself!
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One of the hosts of the Gladiators on SEN after midnight who is often on the money said this morning that Sheeds will be coaching Melbourne next year.
Sheeds is desperate for another premiership according to Melbourne CEO Stephen Harris then why would he come to Richmond anyway given we're a number of years away at best.
"Sheeds is desperate for another premiership."
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22194378%255E19742,00.html
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sheeds next premiership will be coaching the melbourne tigers
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You might find that the tiges have missed the boat with Sheeds.
Was offered a 3 year contract at Melbourne.Interesting to see if he will take it.
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Missing the boat assumes we were interested at all....
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if thats the case so be it, but still beleive wallace must go
rather have a bond or mckenna coaching coaching us
wallace has killed whatever spirit our team had, its time 4 change
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You might find that the tiges have missed the boat with Sheeds.
Was offered a 3 year contract at Melbourne.Interesting to see if he will take it.
Yep was mentioned on SEN after midnight this morning (see Sheeds thread ;) ).
Well thank god that nostalgic crap is now over.
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if thats the case so be it, but still beleive wallace must go
rather have a bond or mckenna coaching coaching us
wallace has killed whatever spirit our team had, its time 4 change
yeah and 3 years time we will be calling for their heads ::)
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You might find that the tiges have missed the boat with Sheeds.
Was offered a 3 year contract at Melbourne.Interesting to see if he will take it.
Yep was mentioned on SEN after midnight this morning (see Sheeds thread ;) ).
Well thank god that nostalgic crap is now over.
Mate dont listen to SEN, been at work all day.
And , didnt say he accepted, ::) ::) ::) his preferred option is Richmond ;)
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And , didnt say he accepted, ::) ::) ::) his preferred option is Richmond ;)
But there isn't a job at Richmond Jack - I know this is hard for Sheeds to understand but alas it is the way it is
And just on preferred options.....
my preferred option is for him to stay away - I think it's a win win ;D
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If Sheeds wants to continue coaching then he better sign that deal with Melbourne.
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If Sheeds wants to continue coaching then he better sign that deal with Melbourne.
I wonder how much damage the Bombers insipid effort over the weekend has hurt Sheeds' chances of getting another coaching gig -- seriously.
They were woeful ;D
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You might find that the tiges have missed the boat with Sheeds.
Was offered a 3 year contract at Melbourne.Interesting to see if he will take it.
Yep was mentioned on SEN after midnight this morning (see Sheeds thread ;) ).
Well thank god that nostalgic crap is now over.
Mate dont listen to SEN, been at work all day.
And , didnt say he accepted, ::) ::) ::) his preferred option is Richmond ;)
hehe. what a load of crap, preferred option ::)
fact 1 sheeds will take any job,any senior job offerred
fact 2 the demons HAVE NOT, and WILL not offer him the job. They know what is common knowledge in the industry.
sheedy is washed up, and finished as a coach.
fact 3 wallet will not be sacked
interesting that jacks story keeps changing, while mine has been the same from the start.
What are you saying now jack, crazy john isnt going to pay out wallets contract?, wallet isnt going to walk?
stop spinning all this poo, none of it has come true, and none of it will.
the fact is the club is in a much better position now, then it was when wallet took the job.
They are not taking any shortcuts, and the young talent at coburg is the proof in the pudding
connors, foley, lids, bling, polo, patto, edwards, thursfield, king, raines, riewalt, cass polak will all form the basis of the team.the fundamentals are there, and with fj responsible for recruiting now, we will add to that list in the coming years. IMHO wallet is doing the club a huge favour, and doing so at a huge cost to his reputation and any future prospects he has in the senior coaching fraternity. There is no way wallet will see the fruit of what he is developing, by 2011 he will be long gone, yet still he makes long term decisions, no 1st or 2nd draft picks will be traded, very courageous indeed. especially when snipers with agendas, and the generally misinformed or ignorant, dont pass up the chance to sink the boots in.
we have waited 27 years, wait a few more and we will be in the finals for 5-6 years in a row.
thankfully the club has been strong enough to deal with these outsides wishes. like all organisations there is always a group that seeks change for changes sake. usually they the group that have been shunned, excluded, and are just jealous that they are not involved.
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the fact is the club is in a much better position now, then it was when wallet took the job.
They are not taking any shortcuts, and the young talent at coburg is the proof in the pudding
connors, foley, lids, bling, polo, patto, edwards, thursfield, king, raines, riewalt, cass polak will all form the basis of the team.the fundamentals are there, and with fj responsible for recruiting now, we will add to that list in the coming years. IMHO wallet is doing the club a huge favour, and doing so at a huge cost to his reputation and any future prospects he has in the senior coaching fraternity. There is no way wallet will see the fruit of what he is developing, by 2011 he will be long gone, yet still he makes long term decisions, no 1st or 2nd draft picks will be traded, very courageous indeed. especially when snipers with agendas, and the generally misinformed or ignorant, dont pass up the chance to sink the boots in.
we have waited 27 years, wait a few more and we will be in the finals for 5-6 years in a row.
thankfully the club has been strong enough to deal with these outsides wishes. like all organisations there is always a group that seeks change for changes sake. usually they the group that have been shunned, excluded, and are just jealous that they are not involved.
:clapping :clapping :clapping :cheers :clapping
Well said blaisee
though you better be careful - far too much logic there dare I say ;) ;D
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You might find that the tiges have missed the boat with Sheeds.
Was offered a 3 year contract at Melbourne.Interesting to see if he will take it.
Yep was mentioned on SEN after midnight this morning (see Sheeds thread ;) ).
Well thank god that nostalgic crap is now over.
Mate dont listen to SEN, been at work all day.
And , didnt say he accepted, ::) ::) ::) his preferred option is Richmond ;)
hehe. what a load of crap, preferred option ::)
fact 1 sheeds will take any job,any senior job offerred
fact 2 the demons HAVE NOT, and WILL not offer him the job. They know what is common knowledge in the industry.
sheedy is washed up, and finished as a coach.
fact 3 wallet will not be sacked
interesting that jacks story keeps changing, while mine has been the same from the start.
What are you saying now jack, crazy john isnt going to pay out wallets contract?, wallet isnt going to walk?
stop spinning all this poo, none of it has come true, and none of it will.
the fact is the club is in a much better position now, then it was when wallet took the job.
They are not taking any shortcuts, and the young talent at coburg is the proof in the pudding
connors, foley, lids, bling, polo, patto, edwards, thursfield, king, raines, riewalt, cass polak will all form the basis of the team.the fundamentals are there, and with fj responsible for recruiting now, we will add to that list in the coming years. IMHO wallet is doing the club a huge favour, and doing so at a huge cost to his reputation and any future prospects he has in the senior coaching fraternity. There is no way wallet will see the fruit of what he is developing, by 2011 he will be long gone, yet still he makes long term decisions, no 1st or 2nd draft picks will be traded, very courageous indeed. especially when snipers with agendas, and the generally misinformed or ignorant, dont pass up the chance to sink the boots in.
we have waited 27 years, wait a few more and we will be in the finals for 5-6 years in a row.
thankfully the club has been strong enough to deal with these outsides wishes. like all organisations there is always a group that seeks change for changes sake. usually they the group that have been shunned, excluded, and are just jealous that they are not involved.
Mate if you think its crap, thats your problem.
You wouldnt know what goes on, ask greg Miller why he was so desperate to trade Polo last year, you have him mentioned in your foundation players ::)
you will have to wait for more than 27 years buddy, talking about Buddy, how is Buddy Franklin going, oh dear, and you think the club is in good hands.
Wallace has to go., give me a good reason why he should stay
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Mate if you think its crap, thats your problem.
You wouldnt know what goes on, ask greg Miller why he was so desperate to trade Polo last year, you have him mentioned in your foundation players ::)
you will have to wait for more than 27 years buddy, talking about Buddy, how is Buddy Franklin going, oh dear, and you think the club is in good hands.
Wallace has to go., give me a good reason why he should stay
weak argument jack, very weak. what has buddy got to do with it? If the hawks knew he was gunna be such a gun, why didnt they take him at NO 2.
miller wasnt desparate to trade polo. He was just one of the "few" players we have that have currency.
so you are wrong on both counts.
and as for giving you a reason why wallet should stay. I just did, alos he has a contract, and the alternative ( sheedy ) is very inferior, he is washed up and finished. Wallet is taking it in the ar@e for the club at the moment, regardless, no short term shortcut will be taken. :thumbsup
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Wallace has to go., give me a good reason why he should stay
Cause you'd have nothing to complain about Jack - nufin :rollin :rollin :rollin
And please do not bring up the Buddy (I don't like contested possessions) Franklin argument, it's boring
Actually here's a good comparison - people want to bag the Tambling selection as being bad here's one from your mate Sheeds the master .... Kepler Bradley. Very good case can be made to say that one (pick 6) was a shocker :thumbsup
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miller wasnt desparate to trade polo. He was just one of the "few" players we have that have currency.
Thats funny, opposition clubs dont say that.
And you will find that Danny Meyer will get picked up by another club to, ala David Rodan
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Thats funny, opposition clubs dont say that.
Do you believe everything that oppostions Club say ??? ::)
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Sheedy hinted at the fact today that he may not coach next season as he has taken up the role with the AFL to help promote the 150 year celebrations.
If Sheeds doesnt coach next year it will really put Wallet under the pump BIG TIME.
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miller wasnt desparate to trade polo. He was just one of the "few" players we have that have currency.
Thats funny, opposition clubs dont say that.
And you will find that Danny Meyer will get picked up by another club to, ala David Rodan
jack
what are you saying?
That opposition clubs were saying that miller was desparate to trade polo?
What a load of poo, if he was that desparate, he would have done it, because I know that offers for both tuck and polo were knocked back.
Please stop the constant lies, because nothing you have said has come true, none of it will, and the rest of it just crap.
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Sheedy hinted at the fact today that he may not coach next season as he has taken up the role with the AFL to help promote the 150 year celebrations.
If Sheeds doesnt coach next year it will really put Wallet under the pump BIG TIME.
So Bull are you know thinking/saying that Wallace will remain as coach of the RFC for 2008 ???
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miller wasnt desparate to trade polo. He was just one of the "few" players we have that have currency.
Thats funny, opposition clubs dont say that.
And you will find that Danny Meyer will get picked up by another club to, ala David Rodan
jack
what are you saying?
That opposition clubs were saying that miller was desparate to trade polo?
What a load of poo, if he was that desparate, he would have done it, because I know that offers for both tuck and polo were knocked back.
Please stop the constant lies, because nothing you have said has come true, none of it will, and the rest of it just crap.
Thanks for clearing that up. :clapping
Trading Tuck would've been nice however, but we need him for 1 more year.
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Sheedy hinted at the fact today that he may not coach next season as he has taken up the role with the AFL to help promote the 150 year celebrations.
If Sheeds doesnt coach next year it will really put Wallet under the pump BIG TIME.
Even if Sheeds' last 3 years as coach are bottom 4 finishes which is likely with a far more mature list and better resources than would be available at Richmond.
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Another 10 goal flogging for the Bombers on a big ground. So much for them playing out the year for Sheeds ::).
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Be interesting to see how they go against us in Rd21.
Would love to give Hird a nice touch up in his last Melbourne game.
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Another 10 goal flogging for the Bombers on a big ground. So much for them playing out the year for Sheeds ::).
Winning the close ones as the did earlier in the year can hide some (or alot of) a teams defieciencies.
That's what you are seeing with the Bombers at the moment.
I could go on but I wont :whistle ;D
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Be interesting to see how they go against us in Rd21.
Would love to give Hird a nice touch up in his last Melbourne game.
Over the last 8 weeks both clubs have only won 2 games a piece so we're a good chance. They're not sitting bottom 4 for nothing.
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Time to come home, Sheedy
27 August 2007 Herald Sun
Sam Edmund
RICHMOND fans have called for Kevin Sheedy to come home. While the Essendon faithful rose as one at the MCG yesterday to say goodbye to "Sheeds" and captain James Hird, Tigers supporters were begging the master coach to return to where it all began.
Sheedy, who played 251 games for Richmond, including three premierships and a best-and-fairest, is revered at Tigerland.
He was appointed Essendon coach in 1981 and guided the Bombers to back-to-back premierships in 1984-85 before tasting ultimate success again in 1993 and 2000.
Despite more than a quarter of a century at Windy Hill, Sheedy has never lost his passion for the Tigers. He is a regular at Richmond functions and was named in the Tigers' Team of the Century.
The yellow-and-black army were unanimous in their praise for the Essendon coach.
"I want Sheedy, I want Sheedy, I want Sheedy," Richmond fan Tony McGrath said.
"Even if they just made up a job for him, sweeping the floor or whatever, and then they can sit him in the box next to (Richmond coach) Terry Wallace."
Peter Hoffmann said the former Richmond back pocket would bring a winning feeling back to the Tigers.
"He's got a good recruiting record, which we've been very poor in, and his marketing and PR nous would be invaluable," Mr Hoffmann said.
"I reckon our membership would go up by 10,000 if he came on board."
Joe Farrell was adamant Sheedy was still Richmond through and through.
"He's still got yellow and black in him," Mr Farrell said.
"We need his know-how and his guts and determination around the place.
"If someone could put up $1 million to get him down there I think we could get him."
An electric atmosphere gripped the MCG in the hours before the first bounce as Essendon and Richmond fans massed for the great Bomber pair's last game together at the home of football. Long lines snaked back from the MCC Members Reserve, while thousands poured in from Richmond and Jolimont train stations.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22312401%255E19771,00.html
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No we don't
Last night proved categorically the game is up for Sheeds.
He has nurtured a team that his slow and his on field moves such as Lucas in the backline??
I was even surprised by that though not disillusioned by it. :stupid :ROTFL
He seems more satisfied in promoting himself on past successes and trying to manipulate media throngs and galleries with rhetoric and dogma from a bygone era of success at Windy Hill.
He has left Essendon's on field team a mess with useless ageing players
and a threadbare group of youngsters whom other than 2 or 3 will not have a prolonged AFL career. Furthermore once Lloyd Fletcher and Lucas retire their stocks will be even more dilapidated. With those 3 players they may scrounge 6 or 7 wins but without them their stocks are thin real thin and the future is extremely grim for them courtesy of the Sheeds quick fix over the last few wins and as I have mentioned the pain will get even more unbearable for the Bombers now and over the next few years beyond 2010.
The way I see it let him go to Melbourne or wherever and let him turn them into a basket case like he has done with Essendon in the last few years. He had his chance to return and chose to stay at Essendon. Its not sour grapes but at those points in time he was the right fit for us now he is not. It is as simple as that. Don't even dwell on it, in terms of the romance and the nostalgia and warm fuzzy feeling the many Richmond fans will associate with it.
We do not need him to stir the pot at Richmond or use our name to distabilize a regime that off field is working and on field is on the ump.
If it aint broke don't fix it.
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i think sheedy should give up coaching. i believe he has alot to offer a club but not as a coach.
for him to come back to coaching woudl be like a heavu weight boxer making a comeback, always ends in disaster.
sheedy had a gr8 send off, he should leave it there so he is rememered as gr8 and not end in disaster
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"He's got a good recruiting record, which we've been very poor in" Mr Hoffmann said.
:lol :lol :lol
Make sure you wear sunglasses when you go past Windy Hill, the future is bright! ::)
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Last night showed why Sheeds is finished.
He couldnt get the bombers up on such a huge occassion. They were never going to win, and were downright insipid in parts.
Have to say, last night wss one of the most enjoyable night of football I have had in many a year.
Its been a while since we ruined somebodies party, couldnt of happened to a nicer bloke! :thumbsup
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give him some credit his a champion coach & without a bench last night a 27 point defeat was not much to brag about
We Won We Won :clapping :clapping ;D :cheers
l love to see Sheeds back at our club in some capacity but it wont be while Wallace is there
Sheeds you can come sit next to me in the stands anytime :clapping
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Last night showed why Sheeds is finished.
He couldnt get the bombers up on such a huge occassion. They were never going to win, and were downright insipid in parts.
Have to say, last night wss one of the most enjoyable night of football I have had in many a year.
Its been a while since we ruined somebodies party, couldnt of happened to a nicer bloke! :thumbsup
Are you twisted Blaisee ? Last nights crowd showed the respect for someone who has contributed heaps to the game.
As for the bombers couldnt get up. they had no bench in the last quarter, have yet to see a side win a quarter of modern day football without a bench.
I might add that the best team won on the night and should of won by more and that James Hird has retired at the right time as his defensive pressure last night was poor, as was Lloyd and Ryder, thus the tiges dominace in rebounding out of D 50.
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The lap at the end was fantastic.
A great send off for Hird and Sheedy.
The thing that puzzles me is Essendon walloping on how they wanted to give Sheeds the send off he deserves - they sacked him. ??? ;D ???
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Firstly the article is rubbish, just some journo trying to make something out of nothing.
Last night showed why Sheeds is finished.
He couldnt get the bombers up on such a huge occassion.
The reason he is leaving the club to begin with is because he had lost the players (the senior group including hird).
Last nights crowd showed the respect for someone who has contributed heaps to the game.
True
As for the bombers couldnt get up. they had no bench in the last quarter, have yet to see a side win a quarter of modern day football without a bench..
That might have been the case, but the bombers would not have won that game last night even if they did have there bench available Jack.
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Last night showed why Sheeds is finished.
He couldnt get the bombers up on such a huge occassion. They were never going to win, and were downright insipid in parts.
Have to say, last night wss one of the most enjoyable night of football I have had in many a year.
Its been a while since we ruined somebodies party, couldnt of happened to a nicer bloke! :thumbsup
Are you twisted Blaisee ? Last nights crowd showed the respect for someone who has contributed heaps to the game.
As for the bombers couldnt get up. they had no bench in the last quarter, have yet to see a side win a quarter of modern day football without a bench.
I might add that the best team won on the night and should of won by more and that James Hird has retired at the right time as his defensive pressure last night was poor, as was Lloyd and Ryder, thus the tiges dominace in rebounding out of D 50.
jack you reckon wallet spins poo, well sheeds is the master.
talking about him having a young team, when the goal to goal line was
mal michael 30
lucas 30
campo 32
hird 33
lloyd 29
yea real young, and with a real bright future! ;) ::)
give credit were it is due, we should of won by ten goals, sheeds outcoached by wallet....again.
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to be honest, wallace has owned sheedy, always coached well v sheeds
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Yeah Wallace leads Sheeds 8 wins to 5 with 1 draw in terms
of their head to head coaching.
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Last night showed why Sheeds is finished.
He couldnt get the bombers up on such a huge occassion. They were never going to win, and were downright insipid in parts.
Have to say, last night wss one of the most enjoyable night of football I have had in many a year.
Its been a while since we ruined somebodies party, couldnt of happened to a nicer bloke! :thumbsup
Are you twisted Blaisee ? Last nights crowd showed the respect for someone who has contributed heaps to the game.
As for the bombers couldnt get up. they had no bench in the last quarter, have yet to see a side win a quarter of modern day football without a bench.
I might add that the best team won on the night and should of won by more and that James Hird has retired at the right time as his defensive pressure last night was poor, as was Lloyd and Ryder, thus the tiges dominace in rebounding out of D 50.
jack you reckon wallet spins poo, well sheeds is the master.
talking about him having a young team, when the goal to goal line was
mal michael 30
lucas 30
campo 32
hird 33
lloyd 29
yea real young, and with a real bright future! ;) ::)
give credit were it is due, we should of won by ten goals, sheeds outcoached by wallet....again.
You must of been to a different game then me Blaisee.
Thought Ryder played as ""hit up forward"" with Hird playing high, similiar to Petts.
Cant remember Campo starting in centre square either
And you obivously have trouble reading as I said they should of won by more.
As for young players, Courtney Dempsey will be something very special if you had looked last night, I would think 88,000 spectators would agree with that
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that dempsey kid looks a gun
absolute jets at the back of his feet and loves blasting from packs
shame his hammy went
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Have to say, last night wss one of the most enjoyable night of football I have had in many a year.
Dare I say it but part of me felt the same ;D
I walked away that game thinking people have been crtical of Tezza over the past few months saying he was a hopeless coach- What about Sheeds last evening ??? Clearly out-coached from where I was sitting in the bleachers ;) ;D
Where to start....
I mean Lucas who practically won them the Dreamtime game as a forward, playing down back on Jay Schulz. Now I reckon Jay will be OK but struth Jay Schulz :gobdrop that was a big win for us. Apart from Nadia Lloyd and Hird what target forwards did they have :whistle
No pace in the mid-field, seemed so focused on tagging our mid-field - what the.....
Last nights crowd showed the respect for someone who has contributed heaps to the game.
As for the bombers couldnt get up. they had no bench in the last quarter, have yet to see a side win a quarter of modern day football without a bench.
I might add that the best team won on the night and should of won by more and that James Hird has retired at the right time as his defensive pressure last night was poor, as was Lloyd and Ryder, thus the tiges dominace in rebounding out of D 50.
Not disputing that he has given heaps to the game and yep the crowd was a mark of respect to him and his achievements - Ditto Hird even though I've never had much respect for him since he showed us no repsect all those years ago on (1995 for those wondering ;)) but it still doesn't hide the fact that they had so much to play for then the Tigers and they were very poor indeed
As I said I thought his actual coaching last night was poor.
And as for the fool in the article who says Sheeds' recruiting hass been better - give me a break. Michael, Camporeale, Cole and who could forget Zantuck... want me to go on.. K Bradley ??? ::)
Agree Ryder will be good, unfortuantely last night there wasn't many others who stood out in their young brigade. Based on last night our kids look alot more promising IMHO
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Last nights crowd showed the respect for someone who has contributed heaps to the game.
For the older Bomber fans they would remember when Essendon were nobodies in the 70s. Unless you lived in the NW suburbs you never bumped into one of their supporters. Sheeds turned them into the big club they are now.
As for the bombers couldnt get up. they had no bench in the last quarter, have yet to see a side win a quarter of modern day football without a bench.
Made up for the extra 3 they had in the first half :whistle. 13-6 free kick count despite us being in front and first to the ball with Lloyd of course getting soft frees in front of goal for diving ::). I'm allowed to whinge because we still won ;D.
I might add that the best team won on the night and should of won by more
:thumbsup
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Ditto Hird even though I've never had much respect for him since he showed us no repsect all those years ago on (1995 for those wondering ;))
I'm sure you would treasure a bit of footage I have of him on the Footy Show the following day.
Sooking at it's best :thumbsup
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Ditto Hird even though I've never had much respect for him since he showed us no repsect all those years ago on (1995 for those wondering ;))
I'm sure you would treasure a bit of footage I have of him on the Footy Show the following day.
Sooking at it's best :thumbsup
I'm sure I would :rollin
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Last night showed why Sheeds is finished.
He couldnt get the bombers up on such a huge occassion. They were never going to win, and were downright insipid in parts.
Have to say, last night wss one of the most enjoyable night of football I have had in many a year.
Its been a while since we ruined somebodies party, couldnt of happened to a nicer bloke! :thumbsup
Are you twisted Blaisee ? Last nights crowd showed the respect for someone who has contributed heaps to the game.
As for the bombers couldnt get up. they had no bench in the last quarter, have yet to see a side win a quarter of modern day football without a bench.
I might add that the best team won on the night and should of won by more and that James Hird has retired at the right time as his defensive pressure last night was poor, as was Lloyd and Ryder, thus the tiges dominace in rebounding out of D 50.
jack you reckon wallet spins poo, well sheeds is the master.
talking about him having a young team, when the goal to goal line was
mal michael 30
lucas 30
campo 32
hird 33
lloyd 29
yea real young, and with a real bright future! ;) ::)
give credit were it is due, we should of won by ten goals, sheeds outcoached by wallet....again.
You must of been to a different game then me Blaisee.
Thought Ryder played as ""hit up forward"" with Hird playing high, similiar to Petts.
Cant remember Campo starting in centre square either
And you obivously have trouble reading as I said they should of won by more.
As for young players, Courtney Dempsey will be something very special if you had looked last night, I would think 88,000 spectators would agree with that
yea dempsey looked ok,
but, I will see your ryder and dempsey and raise you
Lids, Edwards, Bling, Thirsty, Mcguane, patto, king, Polak, jacko.
I guess the point I am trying to make is wallet is blooding youth, in a selfless way, while sheeds is/was just trying to sneak into the finals with a team of old farts, and leaving the dons in a mess that they are going to have to v=clean up for years
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Last night showed why Sheeds is finished.
He couldnt get the bombers up on such a huge occassion. They were never going to win, and were downright insipid in parts.
Have to say, last night wss one of the most enjoyable night of football I have had in many a year.
Its been a while since we ruined somebodies party, couldnt of happened to a nicer bloke! :thumbsup
Are you twisted Blaisee ? Last nights crowd showed the respect for someone who has contributed heaps to the game.
As for the bombers couldnt get up. they had no bench in the last quarter, have yet to see a side win a quarter of modern day football without a bench.
I might add that the best team won on the night and should of won by more and that James Hird has retired at the right time as his defensive pressure last night was poor, as was Lloyd and Ryder, thus the tiges dominace in rebounding out of D 50.
jack you reckon wallet spins poo, well sheeds is the master.
talking about him having a young team, when the goal to goal line was
mal michael 30
lucas 30
campo 32
hird 33
lloyd 29
yea real young, and with a real bright future! ;) ::)
give credit were it is due, we should of won by ten goals, sheeds outcoached by wallet....again.
You must of been to a different game then me Blaisee.
Thought Ryder played as ""hit up forward"" with Hird playing high, similiar to Petts.
Cant remember Campo starting in centre square either
And you obivously have trouble reading as I said they should of won by more.
As for young players, Courtney Dempsey will be something very special if you had looked last night, I would think 88,000 spectators would agree with that
yea dempsey looked ok,
but, I will see your ryder and dempsey and raise you
Lids, Edwards, Bling, Thirsty, Mcguane, patto, king, Polak, jacko.
I guess the point I am trying to make is wallet is blooding youth, in a selfless way, while sheeds is/was just trying to sneak into the finals with a team of old farts, and leaving the dons in a mess that they are going to have to v=clean up for years
check and mate :thumbsup
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Last night showed why Sheeds is finished.
He couldnt get the bombers up on such a huge occassion. They were never going to win, and were downright insipid in parts.
Have to say, last night wss one of the most enjoyable night of football I have had in many a year.
Its been a while since we ruined somebodies party, couldnt of happened to a nicer bloke! :thumbsup
Are you twisted Blaisee ? Last nights crowd showed the respect for someone who has contributed heaps to the game.
As for the bombers couldnt get up. they had no bench in the last quarter, have yet to see a side win a quarter of modern day football without a bench.
I might add that the best team won on the night and should of won by more and that James Hird has retired at the right time as his defensive pressure last night was poor, as was Lloyd and Ryder, thus the tiges dominace in rebounding out of D 50.
jack you reckon wallet spins poo, well sheeds is the master.
talking about him having a young team, when the goal to goal line was
mal michael 30
lucas 30
campo 32
hird 33
lloyd 29
yea real young, and with a real bright future! ;) ::)
give credit were it is due, we should of won by ten goals, sheeds outcoached by wallet....again.
You must of been to a different game then me Blaisee.
Thought Ryder played as ""hit up forward"" with Hird playing high, similiar to Petts.
Cant remember Campo starting in centre square either
And you obivously have trouble reading as I said they should of won by more.
As for young players, Courtney Dempsey will be something very special if you had looked last night, I would think 88,000 spectators would agree with that
yea dempsey looked ok,
but, I will see your ryder and dempsey and raise you
Lids, Edwards, Bling, Thirsty, Mcguane, patto, king, Polak, jacko.
I guess the point I am trying to make is wallet is blooding youth, in a selfless way, while sheeds is/was just trying to sneak into the finals with a team of old farts, and leaving the dons in a mess that they are going to have to v=clean up for years
Reckon that Davey( currently injured) , Dempsey and Lovett are the quickest players I have seen.
As for the players you mentioned.
Lids is a gun, Edwards will be something special, Tambling ? , Thurstfield will be good, Mcgaune ? Patto needs to keep improving, King solid, Polak ok, Jacko, might be traded
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Last nights crowd showed the respect for someone who has contributed heaps to the game.
For the older Bomber fans they would remember when Essendon were nobodies in the 70s. Unless you lived in the NW suburbs you never bumped into one of their supporters. Sheeds turned them into the big club they are now.
As for the bombers couldnt get up. they had no bench in the last quarter, have yet to see a side win a quarter of modern day football without a bench.
Made up for the extra 3 they had in the first half :whistle. 13-6 free kick count despite us being in front and first to the ball with Lloyd of course getting soft frees in front of goal for diving ::). I'm allowed to whinge because we still won ;D.
I might add that the best team won on the night and should of won by more
:thumbsup
Good luck to Llloyd if the AFL have rules where the players can manipulate them. Thought the umpiring was excellent last night :thumbsup
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Thought the umpiring was excellent last night :thumbsup
Yes I thought the continuing inconsistent interpretation of the hands in the back rule was a excellent :thumbsup
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:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
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there must be a special lloyd rule, that prick is untouchable
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there must be a special lloyd rule, that prick is untouchable
I can still remember a game back in early 2000 where Chubba was 5m away from Lloyd in the goalsquare and Lloyd just fell to the ground and was paid a free. He's a protected species. Maybe you get away with thay sort of thing as an individual player but now as captain he's only setting an example of taking short-cuts and being soft. 1 touch in the last quarter as captain when there was everything to play for says it all ;).
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Can't stand Lloyd. Hird is so arrogant. Thought that Lovett (the one with the longer hair and streaks - always get him and Lovett-Murray confused) was their best player.
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I know the llyod thing is a cliche, but fair dinkum I have seen country footballers that can keep their feet better than him.
Or is he just a straight out cheat.
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Can't stand Lloyd. Hird is so arrogant. Thought that Lovett (the one with the longer hair and streaks - always get him and Lovett-Murray confused) was their best player.
i dont think hird is arrogant, but even if he was , he has a right to be, absolute gun and champion.
i thought richo showing the ball to the crowd was arrogant and very stupid. hird not only had gr8 achievements in football, but also in business and family life and has alot to show for it. top bloke. someone like richo up til now has nothing to show but a highlight reel of many blunders and oh yeah showing the ball to the crowd.
i havent seen hird do that once in his standout career and he deserved to
not sure where yoy get hird as being arrogant from, just because he is a winner and succsessful maybe?
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if young Nash is a quarter the player Laurie was then they've got a beauty.
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if young Nash is a quarter the player Laurie was then they've got a beauty.
What relation is he to the great sportsman
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there must be a special lloyd rule, that prick is untouchable
X that is the best thing you have said this year.
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Hope Nash's back isn't cactus after having Schultz land on him.
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Seems Sheeds won't be coaching anywhere next year. The media saying Dean Bailey will be Melbourne's new coach.
http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/demon-board-decides-on-new-coach/2007/08/30/1188067279706.html
Does the RFC now approach Sheeds with an off-field marketing type role. Yes/No?
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The end of season comes and essendon are looking for a coach...
Thompson and Williams say no and all the other "good" young coaches are gone.
Who will they turn to?
Expect a 1-2 year contract with a succession plan in place for an assistant.
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Seems Sheeds won't be coaching anywhere next year. The media saying Dean Bailey will be Melbourne's new coach.
http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/demon-board-decides-on-new-coach/2007/08/30/1188067279706.html
Does the RFC now approach Sheeds with an off-field marketing type role. Yes/No?
I think in Sheedys press conference after the farewell game, he sounds like he wants to come back to Richmond in some shape or form.
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Seems Sheeds won't be coaching anywhere next year. The media saying Dean Bailey will be Melbourne's new coach.
http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/demon-board-decides-on-new-coach/2007/08/30/1188067279706.html
Does the RFC now approach Sheeds with an off-field marketing type role. Yes/No?
to be honest one-eye I would say no.
Sheeds will just prove to be a distraction looking over wallets shoulder.
he is finished, let him get an ambassodors role at the afl, we dont want him
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You may be right blaisee. Egos would need to be put aside for the good of the Club for it to happen.
It's been confirmed by Melbourne that Dean Bailey is their new coach. A gutsy call given he isn't high profile like a Sheeds nor Connolly but they seem to have copied Hawthorn and gone for another assistant coach of Mark Williams.
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dont reckon sheeds will coach this year despite some claiming he would, now it will get interesting next year if the tiges fall in a heap, 2007 has been crap, 2008 couldnt get worse wilth innuendo and turmoil could it.
you betcha.
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dont reckon sheeds will coach this year despite some claiming he would, now it will get interesting next year if the tiges fall in a heap, 2007 has been crap, 2008 couldnt get worse wilth innuendo and turmoil could it.
you betcha.
You might be on the money there Roger3
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Sheeds' coaching career is over. His time was up. He should be proud of his achievements at Essendon and just move on to the next phase of his life.
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No talk of Richmond as some option yesterday by Sheeds
That Sheedy was far from despairing is not completely surprising given the "four or five options" open to him.
One is an AFL gig, another the chance to act in a football managerial role at Fremantle, assisting his former protege Harvey "get the Freo boys in line".
But it is also possible the four-time premiership coach will step away from football for a year to spend time with his family - one daughter was at training yesterday - and his thoroughbreds now the Victorian gallops have been given the all-clear to resume after the equine influenza scare.
"I'll sit down and weigh that up," he said. "One of those options is to have a year off. Sit in the crowd with you guys. See what you are saying. See whether you know the game or not, and if you don't, we will have to re-educate you."
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22342310-5012432,00.html
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Tigers open door for Sheedy
02 September 2007 Sunday Herald Sun
David Reed
RICHMOND plans to sit down with favourite son Kevin Sheedy this week to offer him an off-field role as it continues plans to beef up the football department.
President Gary March said Sheedy, a three-time Richmond premiership player, was on the radar for a return to Punt Road, although he wasn't sure what the exact position would be.
"Not a football role, but if he doesn't get a coaching job - and it is looking likely that he won't - then we'll sit down with him and see if there is any sort of role that might be available," March said.
"We don't know what he wants to do yet, we'll certainly sit down and have a chat with him, see what his future holds."
March also said the club was progressing in its plans to make its football department more competitive with the power clubs.
"There will probably be three or four extra staff at the club, some development people, an extra recruiting person and a few things around the periphery, opposition analysis and things like that," he said.
"It looks like we are going to have a pretty good financial result this year on the back of last year, and we are going to invest some money in our greatest asset, our football team."
He said he understood coach Terry Wallace's concerns about the priority pick system. "He just found it really difficult with the reward system and what it means to you," March said.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22346925%255E19771,00.html
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as much as l like Sheeds & his amazing ability his has to offer
l think the club is on the right track the way its going
more or better skills coaching is what the club really needs to look at
l like to see the club play another year reguardless of what happens as long as we are competitive
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Ch 7 news tonight talking garbage agin - "Sheeds is still in the running for a coaching position at Richmond and Fremantle" ::)
And for those who love Americanisms entering our footy speak Ch 7 had another - "Hird showed he can still thread the pigskin" :wallywink
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Ch 7 news tonight talking garbage agin - "Sheeds is still in the running for a coaching position at Richmond and Fremantle" ::)
And for those who love Americanisms entering our footy speak Ch 7 had another - "Hird showed he can still thread the pigskin" :wallywink
result of too much American content on TV :wallywink Very sad but a fact of life unfortunately :chuck
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Try Satellite TV works a treat pick your program
get your own system cost you nothing to run like free to air
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Yes Channel 7 news on Friday had Mike's son Tony Sheahan saying that Sheeds would most likely take a year off coaching (earth shattering that seeing there are no more jobs out there ::)) and possibly return to coach Richmond in 2009 (funny I thought we had a contracted coach for 2009 ::))
Sheeds needs to sail off in to the sunset and enjoy his rose garden. The fact that he DIDN"T get the Melbourne job - surely must tell him something. Because I think everyone (well almost everyone ;)) else got the message
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Yes Channel 7 news on Friday had Mike's son Tony Sheahan saying that Sheeds would most likely take a year off coaching (earth shattering that seeing there are no more jobs out there ::)) and possibly return to coach Richmond in 2009 (funny I thought we had a contracted coach for 2009 ::))
Oh gee, where have I heard Tony Sheahan's name before :shh
He's pathetic and so are his friends ;) ;) ;) ;)
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Caro on 3aw just now still saying she hopes Richmond will create a position for Sheeds because apart from March who has the best interests of the club at heart and to a lesser extent Neville Crowe, we don't have other "Richmond people" we can sympathise with.
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A couple of callers on 3aw brought up Sheeds again saying the club should get him back in a marketing and merchandise role.
Rex answered that there are those at Richmond who see Sheeds as a 3 times premiership and 260 odd game player who can wave his magic wand even in a off-field capacity. However, there's no magic wand to wave. His connections tell him Sheeds won't be at Richmond in 2008.
Mike said Sheeds will have an AFL ambassador role with emphasis on promoting the Victorian Clubs, in particular a project involving one Vic club (Roos).
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From the Age:
March met Kevin Sheedy yesterday to discuss a part-time consulting role at the club for the legend of the game.
Sacked by Essendon after 27 years and four premierships as coach, the former Richmond premiership player waited until he was out of contention for a senior coaching role before considering options with the AFL and his former club.
Richmond has been working hard in recent times to draw former club greats back to the club, with coach Terry Wallace instituting a mentoring program matching former greats with young players.
http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/bartlett-back-at-tigerland/2007/09/19/1189881594875.html
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Sponsored by a benevolent group of supporters ;)
Watch your back, Terry lol
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Club:- Sheeds how can we make the RFC more popular?
Sheeds:- Win far more games than you lose.
Club:- Is that all?
Sheeds:- No. Also pay the consulting fee into my account.
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Club:- Is that all?
Sheeds:- No. Also pay the consulting fee into my account.
Sheeds:- plus don't forget my people - they are looking for jobs ;) ;D
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Sponsored by a benevolent group of supporters ;)
Watch your back, Terry lol
Yeah Terry, watch your back.
Another year next year like this year and you wont have a job. ::) ::) ::)
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Sponsored by a benevolent group of supporters ;)
Watch your back, Terry lol
Yeah Terry, watch your back.
Another year next year like this year and you wont have a job. ::) ::) ::)
Probably but a year where we show improvement which is likely and there wont be one for Sheeds
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No offence, but if matty richardson can win the B & F ( And good luck to him) after a good reasonable year, it doesnt say much about the rest of his teammates.
Mail is that the coaching staff were fair from impressed with the majority of senior players .
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No offence, but if matty richardson can win the B & F ( And good luck to him) after a good reasonable year, it doesnt say much about the rest of his teammates.
Mail is that the coaching staff were fair from impressed with the majority of senior players .
Wow Jackstar. Giving us the real scoops once again. ::) ::)
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No offence, but if matty richardson can win the B & F ( And good luck to him) after a good reasonable year, it doesnt say much about the rest of his teammates.
Mail is that the coaching staff were fair from impressed with the majority of senior players .
The last two years the B&F hasn't gone to the supposed favourites. Richo was favourite last year but missed out yet he wins it this year when Foley was favourite.
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Any truth to this BF rumour?
the great man kevin sheedy will be soon employed at the tigers as marketing manager, as well as his role the ambassador for the afl.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9057454&postcount=1
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Any truth to this BF rumour?
the great man kevin sheedy will be soon employed at the tigers as marketing manager, as well as his role the ambassador for the afl.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9057454&postcount=1
ask jackstar ;)
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Any truth to this BF rumour?
the great man kevin sheedy will be soon employed at the tigers as marketing manager, as well as his role the ambassador for the afl.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9057454&postcount=1
ask jackstar ;)
Can say he will be back in some capacity.
Is currently overseas studying coaching..
Back end of month, right in time for the VRC spring racing carnival.
Will be talking again to March in early Nov.
Might also add that if the tiges finish bottom four next year,RFC will pull the pin on Wallace
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Might also add that if the tiges finish bottom four next year,RFC will pull the pin on Wallace
Right on queue ;D
Seriously, I think you are on the right track regarding the marketing thing but your timing maybe a bit out :shh
:rollin
:gotigers
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No offence, but if matty richardson can win the B & F ( And good luck to him) after a good reasonable year, it doesnt say much about the rest of his teammates.
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Bowden won it when u were there....who else,Campbo?Gaspar?
lol
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Might also add that if the tiges finish bottom four next year,RFC will pull the pin on Wallace
Right on queue ;D
Seriously, I think you are on the right track regarding the marketing thing but your timing maybe a bit out :shh
:rollin
:gotigers
Timing out ?
What Wallet gone by Round 12 2008.
Have heard that rumor as well..
Can wait for the draw to come out.
Knifes will be extremely sharp by Round 8 if we have a tough draw.
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Has the Marketing Manager taken over as Senior Coach before?
08 could be a first :shh
:cheers
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Timing out ?
What Wallet gone by Round 12 2008.
Have heard that rumor as well..
Can wait for the draw to come out.
Knifes will be extremely sharp by Round 8 if we have a tough draw.
Ah yes, TW gone by round 12 and Jade Rawlings takes over.
:cheers
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Has the Marketing Manager taken over as Senior Coach before?
08 could be a first :shh
:cheers
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Didn't we have this conversation this year.
Wasn't Sheeds meant to have taken over by now
What happened, Jack :rollin
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Sheeds wanted 6-8 months to recharge.
Will be ready to go by the mid-season break.
It gives Wallace a week to move out and Sheeds a week to move in.
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Sheeds wanted 6-8 months to recharge.
Will be ready to go by the mid-season break.
It gives Wallace a week to move out and Sheeds a week to move in.
You blokes are unbelievable in how you would like to see this club fail!
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Didn't we have this conversation this year.
Wasn't Sheeds meant to have taken over by now
What happened, Jack :rollin
Didnt want to have this conversation either, club couldnt pay out Wallet so Knighta took the Essendon gig.
Sheeds would have been senior coach with Knighta his assistant.
Wallace is on borrowed time, even you must realise this by now
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Didn't we have this conversation this year.
Wasn't Sheeds meant to have taken over by now
What happened, Jack :rollin
Didnt want to have this conversation either, club couldnt pay out Wallet so Knighta took the Essendon gig.
Sheeds would have been senior coach with Knighta his assistant.
Wallace is on borrowed time, even you must realise this by now
He's only on borrowed time because he is rebuilding.
And that hack will come in and take over that rebuildiing.
He's senile, he should be in a nursing home and you want him as coach.
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Timing out ?
What Wallet gone by Round 12 2008.
Have heard that rumor as well..
Can wait for the draw to come out.
Knifes will be extremely sharp by Round 8 if we have a tough draw.
Sadly for you Jack I don't think Tezza is going anywhere :shh
I mean what are you going to do when we have a decent year - do you really think that if we win say 8-10 games he's gonna get the chop? No he wont.
And BTW
I was talking about you might be a bit out with the timing of marketing conversations - November??? Don't think so ;)
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Why didn't Essendon want him?
Why didn't Melbourne want him?
But we do :banghead
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Didnt want to have this conversation either
As if :rollin
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Sheeds wanted 6-8 months to recharge.
Will be ready to go by the mid-season break.
It gives Wallace a week to move out and Sheeds a week to move in.
You blokes are unbelievable in how you would like to see this club fail!
I dont want this club to fail and you know it.
I go everyweek to support this club and would love nothing more than us to have a great year next year.
I wouldn't care who coaches us as long as the club is heading in the right direction.
Coaching is similar to working/over seeing people. You have to be fair but tough and you will get the best results. Start playing favourites and giving people different levels of support and you will bring yourself undone.
Enough said.
I know its been done to death but its no surprise Rodan had a good season :shh
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Sheeds wanted 6-8 months to recharge.
Will be ready to go by the mid-season break.
It gives Wallace a week to move out and Sheeds a week to move in.
You blokes are unbelievable in how you would like to see this club fail!
I dont want this club to fail and you know it.
I go everyweek to support this club and would love nothing more than us to have a great year next year.
I wouldn't care who coaches us as long as the club is heading in the right direction.
Coaching is similar to working/over seeing people. You have to be fair but tough and you will get the best results. Start playing favourites and giving people different levels of support and you will bring yourself undone.
Enough said.
I know its been done to death but its no surprise Rodan had a good season :shh
What manual did you get that out of?
Start supporting Wallace - he is part of this club you give your undying love to.
::)
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Why didn't Essendon want him?
Why didn't Melbourne want him?
But we do :banghead
Can tell you that Melbourne DID want him but they wanted him for a 3 year contract.
You dont have to have a university dgree to work out why he knocked back a 3 year contract. ::)
Essendon wanted him for 27 years, cant go forever ::)
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Sheeds wanted 6-8 months to recharge.
Will be ready to go by the mid-season break.
It gives Wallace a week to move out and Sheeds a week to move in.
You blokes are unbelievable in how you would like to see this club fail!
I dont want this club to fail and you know it.
I go everyweek to support this club and would love nothing more than us to have a great year next year.
I wouldn't care who coaches us as long as the club is heading in the right direction.
Coaching is similar to working/over seeing people. You have to be fair but tough and you will get the best results. Start playing favourites and giving people different levels of support and you will bring yourself undone.
Enough said.
I know its been done to death but its no surprise Rodan had a good season :shh
What manual did you get that out of?
Start supporting Wallace - he is part of this club you give your undying love to.
::)
I will support Wallace when he gives his full support to all of the players.
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As for the manual, its just common sense.
I look after 30 staff at work and you cant play favorites, same as in football coaching.
If you treat everyone fairly and give everyone the same opportunities then you will get the best results and people will want to work/play for you.
If you start treating people on different levels/conditions then you create factions and in fighting.
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Sheeds wanted 6-8 months to recharge.
Will be ready to go by the mid-season break.
It gives Wallace a week to move out and Sheeds a week to move in.
You blokes are unbelievable in how you would like to see this club fail!
I dont want this club to fail and you know it.
I go everyweek to support this club and would love nothing more than us to have a great year next year.
I wouldn't care who coaches us as long as the club is heading in the right direction.
Coaching is similar to working/over seeing people. You have to be fair but tough and you will get the best results. Start playing favourites and giving people different levels of support and you will bring yourself undone.
Enough said.
I know its been done to death but its no surprise Rodan had a good season :shh
What manual did you get that out of?
Start supporting Wallace - he is part of this club you give your undying love to.
::)
You just dont get it, Terry Wallace is for Terry Wallace.
Go and ask the likes of Chris Grant and Brad Johnston. They will tell you what they think of Terry and how he left the bulldogs in an absolute mess.
Let me know how we are going by round 8 next year when the wheels have fallen right off, if thats possible as you can get any lower than finishing on the bottom, thats right you can see the light and the end of the tunnel. those up and coming stars, Jay Schultz, JON, Patty Bowden, Kent Kingsley,OMG his gone already and there will be a few other overrated Wallace hacks in there as well, give me a break, Oh yeah,Pettifer ::)
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As for the manual, its just common sense.
I look after 30 staff at work and you cant play favorites, same as in football coaching.
If you treat everyone fairly and give everyone the same opportunities then you will get the best results and people will want to work/play for you.
If you start treating people on different levels/conditions then you create factions and in fighting.
How true.
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Didn't we have this conversation this year.
Wasn't Sheeds meant to have taken over by now
What happened, Jack :rollin
Didnt want to have this conversation either, club couldnt pay out Wallet so Knighta took the Essendon gig.
Sheeds would have been senior coach with Knighta his assistant.
Wallace is on borrowed time, even you must realise this by now
He's only on borrowed time because he is rebuilding.
And that hack will come in and take over that rebuildiing.
He's senile, he should be in a nursing home and you want him as coach.
spot on :thumbsup
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Knew you would turn up Blaisee, hows Miller?
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If you treat everyone fairly and give everyone the same opportunities then you will get the best results and people will want to work/play for you.
If you start treating people on different levels/conditions then you create factions and in fighting.
Try and put some of your theories to practice and treat Wallace the same.
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If you treat everyone fairly and give everyone the same opportunities then you will get the best results and people will want to work/play for you.
If you start treating people on different levels/conditions then you create factions and in fighting.
Try and put some of your theories to practice and treat Wallace the same.
Ask Andrew Kellaway what he thinks.
Would describe Wallet in one word, little clue, starts with a C.
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If you treat everyone fairly and give everyone the same opportunities then you will get the best results and people will want to work/play for you.
If you start treating people on different levels/conditions then you create factions and in fighting.
Try and put some of your theories to practice and treat Wallace the same.
Ask Andrew Kellaway what he thinks.
Would describe Wallet in one word, little clue, starts with a C.
Well that's a charming thing to say, Jack
I would have thought it more described yourself!
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Knew you would turn up Blaisee, hows Miller?
jack
the fact that you are still pushing the sheedy bandwagon proves once and for all you have NFI.
my god man, stop living in the past.
Now on another matter. Watch this Judd deal start getting real messy when the pies re-enter the frame next week. ;)
Its gunna be a pee-er
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If you treat everyone fairly and give everyone the same opportunities then you will get the best results and people will want to work/play for you.
If you start treating people on different levels/conditions then you create factions and in fighting.
Try and put some of your theories to practice and treat Wallace the same.
Ask Andrew Kellaway what he thinks.
Would describe Wallet in one word, little clue, starts with a C.
Well that's a charming thing to say, Jack
I would have thought it more described yourself!
Only telling you what people think.
You wouldnt of met a more dedicated, likeable person than Chubba, another Richmond person burnt.
Wallace will move on eventually .
As for me , C stands for champion :lol
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who gives a pooh as long as we get something for nothing from those pricks out of this judd fiasco
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Knew you would turn up Blaisee, hows Miller?
jack
the fact that you are still pushing the sheedy bandwagon proves once and for all you have NFI.
my god man, stop living in the past.
Now on another matter. Watch this Judd deal start getting real messy when the pies re-enter the frame next week. ;)
Its gunna be a peeer
Sheedy will be at RFC next year :thumbsup
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Knew you would turn up Blaisee, hows Miller?
jack
the fact that you are still pushing the sheedy bandwagon proves once and for all you have NFI.
my god man, stop living in the past.
Now on another matter. Watch this Judd deal start getting real messy when the pies re-enter the frame next week. ;)
Its gunna be a peeer
Sheedy will be at RFC next year :thumbsup
The plumbing is pretty crap down there, he could be useful!
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Knew you would turn up Blaisee, hows Miller?
jack
the fact that you are still pushing the sheedy bandwagon proves once and for all you have NFI.
my god man, stop living in the past.
Now on another matter. Watch this Judd deal start getting real messy when the pies re-enter the frame next week. ;)
Its gunna be a peeer
Sheedy will be at RFC next year :thumbsup
I know he will
but never ever as a coach, not at richmond not anywhere!
good to see Kb back though, I ams tarting to love him again
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be more useful then Wallace.
Might be trying for back to back spoons is your Terry ::)
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be more useful then Wallace.
Might be trying for back to back spoons is your Terry ::)
For your sake, Jack, you can only hope ::)
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we could have god coaching us...wed still be crap.
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be more useful then Wallace.
Might be trying for back to back spoons is your Terry ::)
back 2 bacvk spoons would be ideal daniel rich and natanui ;)
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be more useful then Wallace.
Might be trying for back to back spoons is your Terry ::)
back 2 bacvk spoons would be ideal daniel rich and natanui ;)
we should have tanked it in 2005 and 2006 not in 2007. Anyway next years draft is a good draft, and early picks will be valuable.
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Any truth to this BF rumour?
the great man kevin sheedy will be soon employed at the tigers as marketing manager, as well as his role the ambassador for the afl.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9057454&postcount=1
ask jackstar ;)
Can say he will be back in some capacity.
Is currently overseas studying coaching..
Back end of month, right in time for the VRC spring racing carnival.
Will be talking again to March in early Nov.
Might also add that if the tiges finish bottom four next year,RFC will pull the pin on Wallace
how funny he was supposed to take over after the season this year, now the timeline has changed...how bloody funny.
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Any truth to this BF rumour?
the great man kevin sheedy will be soon employed at the tigers as marketing manager, as well as his role the ambassador for the afl.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9057454&postcount=1
ask jackstar ;)
Can say he will be back in some capacity.
Is currently overseas studying coaching..
Back end of month, right in time for the VRC spring racing carnival.
Will be talking again to March in early Nov.
Might also add that if the tiges finish bottom four next year,RFC will pull the pin on Wallace
how funny he was supposed to take over after the season this year, now the timeline has changed...how bloody funny.
Not funny at all.
All got to do with contracts and $$$$$$$$$
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Any truth to this BF rumour?
the great man kevin sheedy will be soon employed at the tigers as marketing manager, as well as his role the ambassador for the afl.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9057454&postcount=1
ask jackstar ;)
Can say he will be back in some capacity.
Is currently overseas studying coaching..
Back end of month, right in time for the VRC spring racing carnival.
Will be talking again to March in early Nov.
Might also add that if the tiges finish bottom four next year,RFC will pull the pin on Wallace
how funny he was supposed to take over after the season this year, now the timeline has changed...how bloody funny.
Not funny at all.
All got to do with contracts and $$$$$$$$$
Then why didnt you say that at the time. ::)
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Because at the time,the situation was that a payout could of been possible.
Can tell you if we dont have a good start and things dont change, changes will be made.
And who cares if timelines change ? Whats the big deal. ::)
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Because at the time,the situation was that a payout could of been possible.
Can tell you if we dont have a good start and things dont change, changes will be made.
And who cares if timelines change ? Whats the big deal. ::)
Now you're just stating the obvious. It is clear a failing start to the year will spell the end of him.
But I find it baffling you think Sheeds could be a mid year coaching appointment.
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Well the used care salesman who is currently coach is coaching to win us a flag, that is very obvious..
At least Sheeds will change the culture and there will be no jobs for the boys anymore. eg Royal, (Lightweight ) Casey and Armstrong and any other yes men he employs.
Come and see me in round 12 when we are near bottom
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If I was plough Id be hoping for a easy draw
r1 v carlton
r2 v melbourne
r3 v essendon
mind you if he gets the easy draw and loses early games he could be going home early.
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Because at the time,the situation was that a payout could of been possible.
Can tell you if we dont have a good start and things dont change, changes will be made.
And who cares if timelines change ? Whats the big deal. ::)
the big deal is people claiming to know of decisions that have not been made, unless one has a crystal ball.
its oh so easy to start saying NOW..... that if we have a bad run in the coming season TW will be gone, i think there are few of us even the damn coach knows his nads will be on the line.
i can assure you it wont be Sheedy :whistle, perhaps as an interim THATS ALL!
and Sheeds didnt have his own boys club, please.
i think you cant face it Sheeds is yesterdays fish and chips wrapper.
we all wait for the next instalment of the Jack diaries....
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Because at the time,the situation was that a payout could of been possible.
Can tell you if we dont have a good start and things dont change, changes will be made.
And who cares if timelines change ? Whats the big deal. ::)
the big deal is people claiming to know of decisions that have not been made, unless one has a crystal ball.
its oh so easy to start saying NOW..... that if we have a bad run in the coming season TW will be gone, i think there are few of us even the damn coach knows his nads will be on the line.
i can assure you it wont be Sheedy :whistle, perhaps as an interim THATS ALL!
and Sheeds didnt have his own boys club, please.
i think you cant face it Sheeds is yesterdays fish and chips wrapper.
we all wait for the next instalment of the Jack diaries....
spot on rog
the fact is sheeds is now paying the price for using the tigers to boost his essendon contracts for the last 25 years.
Now he got the ar@e from the bummers and failed at his job interviews and all of a sudden he is desparate to be the coach of the tigers ::)
he is finished.
We know it , the rest of the afl knows it
The only two people still living in the past are jack, and sheeds himself
:banghead
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doesnt matter who the coach is our players arent up to it.
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doesnt matter who the coach is our players arent up to it.
Bingo, we could've had (Insert best coach in your opinion) coaching us this year and I'm still damn sure we wouldnt have got past the the bottom 4.
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doesnt matter who the coach is our players arent up to it.
Bingo, we could've had (Insert best coach in your opinion) coaching us this year and I'm still damn sure we wouldnt have got past the the bottom 4.
do i get a prize for telling it how it is lol
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The Bombers B&F pretty much summed up why Sheeds got the flick. Too reliant on their old players, their B&F has retired and 2nd in the B&F has about a year left.
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looks like miller is about to f up at the trade table these last 2 days
this means we will be winless by rnd 11 next yr,
that would also mean terry would get the flick along with miller and all teh clowns and sheedy yes sheedy will take over.
the writing is on the wall, miller cant trade, and has not much idea about recruiting, is living on the reputation of fluking a wayne carey deal.
terry , whetehr he can coach or not will be the scapegoat thanks to the monkeys that miller is drafting and trading
ps, he can thank port for wanting schulz, miller had nothing to do with that trade, as port instigated it
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Look at the Bombers ordinary recruiting over the past 6 years and then ask if Sheeds was any different. Sheeds is finished. No one wanted him.
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Look at the Bombers ordinary recruiting over the past 6 years and then ask if Sheeds was any different. Sheeds is finished. No one wanted him.
bombers have a better list than us, if knights is any good he will succeed
wallace has no hope, his plans and millers recruiting is up sh it creek
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Dads' Army won as many games as we did from round 12 and we flogged them in round 21. Not sure how that makes them better ???. If their home ground was the MCG and not the Dome they would've been done the bottom with us. No Hird next year remember. Hardwick gave a realistic assessment when he applied for the Bombers' job.
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Dads' Army won as many games as we did from round 12 and we flogged them in round 21. Not sure how that makes them better ???. If their home ground was the MCG and not the Dome they would've been done the bottom with us. No Hird next year remember. Hardwick gave a realistic assessment when he applied for the Bombers' job.
so when will wallace and miller make a realistic asessment opf our list and start trading and recruiting accordingly
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Dads' Army won as many games as we did from round 12 and we flogged them in round 21. Not sure how that makes them better ???. If their home ground was the MCG and not the Dome they would've been done the bottom with us. No Hird next year remember. Hardwick gave a realistic assessment when he applied for the Bombers' job.
so when will wallace and miller make a realistic asessment opf our list and start trading and recruiting accordingly
Well they'll live or die by their decisions.
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Look at the Bombers ordinary recruiting over the past 6 years and then ask if Sheeds was any different. Sheeds is finished. No one wanted him.
Sheeds was offered 3 year contract by the demons but refused for obvious reasons. ;)
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Look at the Bombers ordinary recruiting over the past 6 years and then ask if Sheeds was any different. Sheeds is finished. No one wanted him.
Sheeds was offered 3 year contract by the demons but refused for obvious reasons. ;)
wallace and miller should just swallow their pride and walk away now
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Look at the Bombers ordinary recruiting over the past 6 years and then ask if Sheeds was any different. Sheeds is finished. No one wanted him.
Sheeds was offered 3 year contract by the demons but refused for obvious reasons. ;)
Then why go through the charade of the interview process if he wasn't interested.
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Look at the Bombers ordinary recruiting over the past 6 years and then ask if Sheeds was any different. Sheeds is finished. No one wanted him.
Sheeds was offered 3 year contract by the demons but refused for obvious reasons. ;)
Then why go through the charade of the interview process if he wasn't interested.
Mate, i go for interviews all the time, its good to see what is out there and what other people have to offer. And being employed at 27 years at one place, you wouldnt have much practise at doing interviews would you ?
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Look at the Bombers ordinary recruiting over the past 6 years and then ask if Sheeds was any different. Sheeds is finished. No one wanted him.
Sheeds was offered 3 year contract by the demons but refused for obvious reasons. ;)
Then why go through the charade of the interview process if he wasn't interested.
Precisely, just wasting people's time and not showing much respect if he was just doing it out of curiosity ::)
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Well you dont know if you dont ask. ::)
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Look at the Bombers ordinary recruiting over the past 6 years and then ask if Sheeds was any different. Sheeds is finished. No one wanted him.
Sheeds was offered 3 year contract by the demons but refused for obvious reasons. ;)
what a load of absolute crap.
You are a wanker
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Look at the Bombers ordinary recruiting over the past 6 years and then ask if Sheeds was any different. Sheeds is finished. No one wanted him.
Sheeds was offered 3 year contract by the demons but refused for obvious reasons. ;)
what a load of absolute crap.
You are a wanker
No need to get personally, wanking is fun , lol
What price are we for back to back wooden spoons,? if you get on early you might get 2-1, by round 12 we will be odds on,.
Oh thats right Wallace will get McMahon.now we are back on track, well done Terry ::)
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you should copyright that jacko...stick that slogan on T-Shirts and theyll sell like anything.
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Look at the Bombers ordinary recruiting over the past 6 years and then ask if Sheeds was any different. Sheeds is finished. No one wanted him.
Sheeds was offered 3 year contract by the demons but refused for obvious reasons. ;)
what a load of absolute crap.
You are a wanker
No need to get personally, wanking is fun , lol
What price are we for back to back wooden spoons,? if you get on early you might get 2-1, by round 12 we will be odds on,.
Oh thats right Wallace will get McMahon.now we are back on track, well done Terry ::)
so what you are saying is that sheeds was offered a 3 year contract from melbourne, and knocked it back, because he has been promised the richmond job.
Mate , what a load of crap
You are a straight out liar.
That you can go and spruik this crap on this forum is a disgrace
What a sad sad man you are, you need :help
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Look at the Bombers ordinary recruiting over the past 6 years and then ask if Sheeds was any different. Sheeds is finished. No one wanted him.
Sheeds was offered 3 year contract by the demons but refused for obvious reasons. ;)
what a load of absolute crap.
You are a wanker
No need to get personally, wanking is fun , lol
What price are we for back to back wooden spoons,? if you get on early you might get 2-1, by round 12 we will be odds on,.
Oh thats right Wallace will get McMahon.now we are back on track, well done Terry ::)
so what you are saying is that sheeds was offered a 3 year contract from melbourne, and knocked it back, because he has been promised the richmond job.
Mate , what a load of crap
You are a straight out liar.
That you can go and spruik this crap on this forum is a disgrace
What a sad sad man you are, you need :help
Dont put words into my mouth, i didnt say that.
Your getting just as bad as Miller and his spin doctoring mate wallet.
No wonder Judd wanted nothing to do with Richmond ::)
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here we go again.
all pee and wind from certain posters.
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Sheedy will work in a development role with the AFL following the end of his 27-year coaching career with Essendon.
He said another focus would be helping to promote the game overseas.
Sheedy wants to help the besieged Kangaroos develop an "icon game" as the club battles for survival in Melbourne.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22703732%255E19742,00.html
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Look at the Bombers ordinary recruiting over the past 6 years and then ask if Sheeds was any different. Sheeds is finished. No one wanted him.
Sheeds was offered 3 year contract by the demons but refused for obvious reasons. ;)
what a load of absolute crap.
You are a wanker
No need to get personally, wanking is fun , lol
What price are we for back to back wooden spoons,? if you get on early you might get 2-1, by round 12 we will be odds on,.
Oh thats right Wallace will get McMahon.now we are back on track, well done Terry ::)
so what you are saying is that sheeds was offered a 3 year contract from melbourne, and knocked it back, because he has been promised the richmond job.
Mate , what a load of crap
You are a straight out liar.
That you can go and spruik this crap on this forum is a disgrace
What a sad sad man you are, you need :help
Dont put words into my mouth, i didnt say that.
Your getting just as bad as Miller and his spin doctoring mate wallet.
No wonder Judd wanted nothing to do with Richmond ::)
judd didnt want the rfc bec our president isnt that slezy old mutha f pratt, full stop
Sheedy will work in a development role with the AFL following the end of his 27-year coaching career with Essendon.
He said another focus would be helping to promote the game overseas.
Sheedy wants to help the besieged Kangaroos develop an "icon game" as the club battles for survival in Melbourne.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22703732%255E19742,00.html
so sheedy wants to help the kangas but not help or work with us
hmmmmm sheedy the fos dog still the same
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Is Sheeds' next idea for us to sell a game to California for $1m ???
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22963879^20322,00.html
I ... believe in icon games. Icon games are between two clubs who have a synergy and that's what the Eureka game will be between North Melbourne and Richmond.
If we can get an icon game like Anzac Day and the Dreamtime game and get $500,000, what's wrong with going overseas and getting a $1 million if it was available. You're only taking two hours off the fans in Australia for one match that might keep the club financially alive.
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Sheeds is on with KB at the moment. Said he doesn't miss coaching (he wasn't sure when he "retired") which may disappoint those still pining for him ;). He's going to write a book.
Also gave credit to Maurice Rioli for changing attitudes towards indigenous players as the old slur around was they'd never be any good in grand finals.
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Sheedy's on SEN at the moment. Huddo asked directly if Wallace was dumped would he coach us and Sheeds said Wallace should see out his contract. He was glad Essendon allowed him to see his contract.
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Sheedy's on SEN at the moment. Huddo asked directly if Wallace was dumped would he coach us and Sheeds said Wallace should see out his contract. He was glad Essendon allowed him to see his contract.
He wouldnt want to seem he is knifing him in the back ,would he .
Sheeds as shrewd as ever with his answers.
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Sheedy's on SEN at the moment. Huddo asked directly if Wallace was dumped would he coach us and Sheeds said Wallace should see out his contract. He was glad Essendon allowed him to see his contract.
He wouldnt want to seem he is knifing him in the back ,would he .
Even if he's been doing it since February last year?
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Sheedy's on SEN at the moment. Huddo asked directly if Wallace was dumped would he coach us and Sheeds said Wallace should see out his contract. He was glad Essendon allowed him to see his contract.
He wouldnt want to seem he is knifing him in the back ,would he .
Even if he's been doing it since February last year?
Moi no one would be knifing no one if the team we had could play to a plan and win some games. What we are seeing is the same old rubbish weve seen for years. I dont know if theres any knifing going on, what I do know is what Im seeing at the moment is unacceptable.
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terry wallace deserves to be knifed!
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Sheeds is past it as a coach anyway. He'll go down as one of the greats but his time has past. If he comes back to the club in some other capacity then good but it'll be typical Richmond if they get Sheeds as our next coach.
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Sheeds is past it as a coach anyway. He'll go down as one of the greats but his time has past. If he comes back to the club in some other capacity then good but it'll be typical Richmond if they get Sheeds as our next coach.
Would have to be an improvement on ""Solarium Terry "" :lol
When Sheeds takes over, we will gain some momentum and move forward.
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Lets hope we move forward with some early national draft picks, Richmond shouldnt be looking for cheap wins which will cost us a priority. We are a rabble, we need some early picks and yes we need a new coach and a new style of play as well.
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Lets hope we move forward with some early national draft picks, Richmond shouldnt be looking for cheap wins which will cost us a priority. We are a rabble, we need some early picks and yes we need a new coach and a new style of play as well.
The former has to come first.
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The new coach will come first, Guarantee.
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The new coach will come first, Guarantee.
We must not lose the opportunity to get early picks. We have screwed ourselves in the past with cheap wins.
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Sheeds is past it as a coach anyway. He'll go down as one of the greats but his time has past. If he comes back to the club in some other capacity then good but it'll be typical Richmond if they get Sheeds as our next coach.
barassi was passed it too, but he sure got sydney back on track, sure he had heartache initially but his messahe finaly got through and it was his foundations and hard work that started teh ball rolling for the swans
age has nothingto do with coaching, its understanding the game.
knights is reaping the rewards of sheedys list fullstop
sheedy is not passed it , terry is
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at least we will see the end of this fascination for skinny half back flankers ffs that has to change.
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terry must be a closet fag, his fascintation with men that looklike 12 yo boys
he should def be in the fashion caper and not footy
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a old coach brings a huge knowledge base of the game & it would be stupid for anyone to think otherwise.
Kevin Sheedy is a leader of the game & many old coaches can be found around the world in many sports.
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Congrats to Sheeds on being inducted into the AFL Hall of Fame.
AS A PLAYER
Played 251 games, kicking 91 goals for Richmond, 1967-1979
Richmond premierships 1969, 1973, 1974
Richmond best-and-fairest 1976
Victorian state representative eight times
AFLPA MVP Award 1974
Richmond captain 1978
Richmond Team of the Century
AS A COACH
Coached Essendon 635 times, 1981-2007 (386 wins, 242 losses, 7 draws)
Essendon premierships 1984, 1985, 1993, 2000
Essendon pre-season premierships 1981, 1984, 1990, 1993, 1994, 2000
Coached Australian international rules team 2005, 2006
All-Australian coach 1984, 1985, 1993, 2000
Essendon Team of the Century
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There's not a lot more Sheeds could do in football. :bow
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There's not a lot more Sheeds could do in football. :bow
He should retire on a high ;) :thumbsup
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I suspect that Kevin maybe in heavily involved with the Western Sydney Team eventually either as coach, mentor to the coach or in adminstration.
Andrew D and the AFL boys value him greatly and this sort of crutial new fronteer project would be right up his alley.
Stripes
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There's not a lot more Sheeds could do in football. :bow
he wont do anything else because he is finished.
and everyone apart from jack and his pseudonyms know it :sleep
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There's not a lot more Sheeds could do in football. :bow
he wont do anything else because he is finished.
He was at the Collingwood v Hawthorn game last Saturday - in the TAB behind the Punt Rd goals watching his horses!! ???
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There's not a lot more Sheeds could do in football. :bow
he wont do anything else because he is finished.
He was at the Collingwood v Hawthorn game last Saturday - in the TAB behind the Punt Rd goals watching his horses!! ???
Well it sounds like there was no motivation to watch the football. Collingwood v Hawthorn ... why would you?
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There's not a lot more Sheeds could do in football. :bow
he wont do anything else because he is finished.
He was at the Collingwood v Hawthorn game last Saturday - in the TAB behind the Punt Rd goals watching his horses!! ???
Well it sounds like there was no motivation to watch the football. Collingwood v Hawthorn ... why would you?
I did, to try and get a perspective on 2 good teams as I don't get to many games each year. I was very impressed with Hawthorn's approach to the game and dilgence to the task, and this enhanced my thoughts about our effort against them. They played to the exact same gameplan and Collingwood were found wanting badly. Our coaching reaction was far superior and our ability to adapt and then stick to the change was light years better. Collingwood might have just missed out last year but they are a long way short of taking the next step.
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Jon Ralph on Ch 10's 5th quarter was talking about Sheedy and that he would love to help out the Tigers but wouldn't discuss in what role.
Ralph - "So much instability at Punt Rd. They've been good onfield lately but it's been overshadowed."
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Yep Director of coaching, a new role! ;)
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And that role worked so well for the Hawks when they had Parkin doing it...... :whistle
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From the Herald-Sun article on Casey ...
Glenn McFarlane and Jackie Epstein | August 03, 2008
Sheedy is also an outsider, but said he would like to be involved with the Tigers again if the club wanted him.
"Of course I would talk to people about Richmond," he said.
"I'm a life member, I'm a past player and if the Richmond fans feel that I never ever stop to think about how to help Richmond that would be wrong."
Sheedy, who is enjoying his first year out of coaching for 27 years, said he had thought about returning to Punt Rd but would not seek a position.
"I have not spoken to anybody at Richmond or anyone acting for Richmond," Sheedy said.
"It's not a romantic thing but it's whether I'm sick and tired of doing what I'm doing and I'm saying, 'OK, now it's time to get back and sort this club out'."
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24118831-19742,00.html
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"It's not a romantic thing but it's whether I'm sick and tired of doing what I'm doing and I'm saying, 'OK, now it's time to get back and sort this club out'."
20 years too late :banghead
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Yep Director of coaching, a new role! ;)
IMHO that would be a massive mistake
sheedy is finished, he is a senile old man now, he had his chance to come to richmond, he declined to do it.
There is no way sheeds will at richmond in that riole
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Yep Director of coaching, a new role! ;)
IMHO that would be a massive mistake
sheedy is finished, he is a senile old man now, he had his chance to come to richmond, he declined to do it.
There is no way sheeds will at richmond in that riole
Tell you whats funny, Sheeds was so close to being appointed at Richmond 4 years ago., Milller was the stumbling block at the time.
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Yep Director of coaching, a new role! ;)
IMHO that would be a massive mistake
sheedy is finished, he is a senile old man now, he had his chance to come to richmond, he declined to do it.
There is no way sheeds will at richmond in that riole
Tell you whats funny, Sheeds was so close to being appointed at Richmond 4 years ago., Milller was the stumbling block at the time.
Tell you whats even more funny, Sheedy changing his mind at the last minute leaving us with Frawley.
Kept saying yes and strung us along until all the best coaches going around were either already appointed or in final negotiations with other clubs.
Sheedy should never be forgiven for all the pain we have endured since.
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Yep Director of coaching, a new role! ;)
IMHO that would be a massive mistake
sheedy is finished, he is a senile old man now, he had his chance to come to richmond, he declined to do it.
There is no way sheeds will at richmond in that riole
Tell you whats funny, Sheeds was so close to being appointed at Richmond 4 years ago., Milller was the stumbling block at the time.
Tell you whats even more funny, Sheedy changing his mind at the last minute leaving us with Frawley.
Kept saying yes and strung us along until all the best coaches going around were either already appointed or in final negotiations with other clubs.
Sheedy should never be forgiven for all the pain we have endured since.
Was Miller fault, Sheedy was prepared to sign, thats old news know though
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Yep Director of coaching, a new role! ;)
IMHO that would be a massive mistake
sheedy is finished, he is a senile old man now, he had his chance to come to richmond, he declined to do it.
There is no way sheeds will at richmond in that riole
Tell you whats funny, Sheeds was so close to being appointed at Richmond 4 years ago., Milller was the stumbling block at the time.
Tell you whats even more funny, Sheedy changing his mind at the last minute leaving us with Frawley.
Kept saying yes and strung us along until all the best coaches going around were either already appointed or in final negotiations with other clubs.
Sheedy should never be forgiven for all the pain we have endured since.
Was Miller fault, Sheedy was prepared to sign, thats old news know though
millers fault, whose fault was it before then,? Leon Daphne? Neville Crowe
For gods sake jack, for someone so in the know, you are so naive. Sheeds is very much like miller, a very selfish individual, that always put his own security ahead of the rfc.
We just got rid of miller, cant see sheeds havent any role whatsoever involving football]
very much yesterdays nman
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Sheedy humming and ahhing again. Done it to us for 20 years :sleep
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Yep Director of coaching, a new role! ;)
IMHO that would be a massive mistake
sheedy is finished, he is a senile old man now, he had his chance to come to richmond, he declined to do it.
There is no way sheeds will at richmond in that riole
Tell you whats funny, Sheeds was so close to being appointed at Richmond 4 years ago., Milller was the stumbling block at the time.
Tell you whats even more funny, Sheedy changing his mind at the last minute leaving us with Frawley.
Kept saying yes and strung us along until all the best coaches going around were either already appointed or in final negotiations with other clubs.
Sheedy should never be forgiven for all the pain we have endured since.
Was Miller fault, Sheedy was prepared to sign, thats old news know though
millers fault, whose fault was it before then,? Leon Daphne? Neville Crowe
For gods sake jack, for someone so in the know, you are so naive. Sheeds is very much like miller, a very selfish individual, that always put his own security ahead of the rfc.
We just got rid of miller, cant see sheeds havent any role whatsoever involving football]
very much yesterdays nman
I note your post
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welcome back to punt rd k sheedy
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Sheedy on Before The Bounce said he would be definitely interested in an off-field role at Punt Road away from the football side of things. Also said no-one there has spoken to him about anything yet , but "we'll see what happens in two months time".
Courtesy of Mario Speedwagon on BF:
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12078567&postcount=1
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Sheedy set to sign deal with Richmond
Caroline Wilson | October 21, 2008
KEVIN SHEEDY is returning to Tigerland for the first time in almost three decades. The three-time Richmond premiership hero is on the verge of signing a deal with the club that will see him become a face of the club's 2009 membership drive.
President Gary March confirmed late yesterday that preliminary talks with the former Essendon coach had left both parties confident that Sheedy would rejoin the Tigers over the summer and undertake a variety of roles including mentoring young indigenous and international players. The move by Sheedy, 60, would indicate that the four-time Essendon premiership coach, who left the Bombers at the end of 2007 season, has accepted he will not coach again but appears keen to continue his ambassadorial role in football, albeit a more focused one with the club at which he played 251 games.
The move, which has the blessing of Tigers' coach Terry Wallace, will see Sheedy play a significant role in Richmond's soon-to-be developed indigenous learning centre, which has proved a key-funding target for the club's Punt Road facelift.
"We've spoken with Kevin a couple of times now and we are keen to get his signature," said March. "We want to get him involved in as many ways as we can and obviously he would be a terrific asset for our indigenous centre at Punt Road."
Sheedy, famous for his part in the creation of a number of home-and-away blockbusters including Anzac Day, will also help promote another brainchild "Dreamtime at the 'G" between Richmond and Essendon along with the second season of the Eureka game between Richmond and North Melbourne and the Jim Stynes-proposed youth game between the Tigers and Melbourne.
Sheedy could also play a casual role in mentoring Richmond's assistant coaches.
The move to lure back Sheedy in a consulting role after several failed attempts to bring him back in the past as coach is one of a series of moves by March and co to reshape the culture of the club. Long-serving player and former skipper Wayne Campbell has returned as an assistant coach, Tony Free, another former captain, has become a club director and Richmond is about to appoint a new player-welfare manager with ties to the club.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/sheedy-to-sign-with-tigers/2008/10/20/1224351156122.html
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Kevin Sheedy back with Tigers
Mark Robinson | October 21, 2008
EXCLUSIVE: KEVIN Sheedy is set to live up to a 28-year promise and return to Punt Rd.
The AFL great and Richmond officials started discussions yesterday on a role in 2009, including Sheedy's involvement in membership, sponsorship, with coterie groups and most certainly in the recently announced indigenous academy.
A role in the expanding Tigers football department has been ruled out.
Sheedy, who flew to Canberra after yesterday's meeting, said last night: "I will be having discussions with Richmond over the next month . . . that's all I'll say."
Tigers president Gary March confirmed yesterday's meeting.
"He's still got a lot of things on the go, but we're trying to finalise a role where he can spend time with Richmond on key areas we need to work on," March said yesterday.
"We haven't finalised it yet. In fact, he was in at the club today trying to work out some details.
"But we are working to get Kevin back involved in the club."
The Tigers premiership player, who had a 251-game career at Punt Rd, will be a paid employee.
The move, which follows the acquisition of former captain Wayne Campbell as an assistant coach, seemingly does not pose a threat to coach Terry Wallace, who next season enters the final year of his five-year deal.
It's understood Sheedy told the Tigers a football role - such as being a mentor for young players -- was out of the question.
March said Wallace fully supported of the club's impending appointment.
"We spoke to Terry about it and he's pretty comfortable," March said.
"I think most people, including Kevin, realise he's not going to coach again, so I think any nervousness at clubs about Kevin coming back and being a coach is gone by the wayside."
"So someone like Kevin has got a fair bit to offer," March said.
Sheedy, an ambassador for the AFL's 150-year celebration this year, is a Richmond legend.
He played from 1967 to 1979, was captain in 1978, and played in the 1969, 1973 and 1974 premiership teams.
He was assistant coach in 1980 before winning the senior role at Essendon, where he coached for 27 years.
Throughout his time at Windy Hill, Sheedy vowed to return to Richmond to help in some capacity.
Many thought that would be as coach - former president Leon Daphne approached Sheedy several times - but this latest high-profile off-field position is seen as an ideal ambassadorial role.
"Not many clubs have that many icons at their club and Kevin is not only an icon of our club, he's also an icon of the AFL," March said.
"We want him around the place . . . it's very important to the footy club.
"It's like Kevin Bartlett coming back last year, it's been fantastic, and add to that we brought Wayne Campbell back . . . there's some good things happening at Tigerland."
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24527430-19742,00.html
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thank god and about time.
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thank god and about time.
Yep, and also thank God it's not in a football dept role.
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Could it be that Jackstar was right after all :-X
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Let's hope he can get the best from Tambling, Oakley-Nicholls and Collard if he's mentoring the indigenous boys. He always had a good record with indigenous players, maybe not so much Kickett.
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dont really like this appointment
Sheedy is a senile old man, keeping him away from the footbal department is going to be very tricky indeed.
Don't like this at all
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"It's like Kevin Bartlett coming back last year, it's been fantastic, and add to that we brought Wayne Campbell back . . . there's some good things happening at Tigerland."
KB coming back did stuff all,really,as much of a champ as he is.
KB would be the first to tell you that.
Tony Free - Most over rated footballer to ever don the Y&B,has proven he's a dumb bastard
with an tendency to shoot his mouth off and live in a non existent culture of a bygone era.
Why would we want that guy at the club when he was responsible for such insipid leadership
at a time where the win/loss ration speaks volumes of his ability as a leader.
Wayne Campbell........whatever.............
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Could it be that Jackstar was right after all :-X
::)
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Jackstar suggested he would be the coach and the messiah didnt he?
Not an employee that mentors in the indigenous academy and might help out with membership sales. Will be good simply for him being a Richmond face again in off-field promotions and the academy.
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Jackstar was right all the time.
Doesn't make him a great Richmond person as him and his mates have been lobbying for Sheeds to come back. The question is, what was the reason. Was it personal reasons or for the benefit of the RFC.
Sheeds has never had the RFC uppermost on his agenda for the last 20 years, so why should we.
If he can sell memberships, great.
If he wants a coaching role and this is his way of backdooring a job, is very shifty seeing Jackstar has been saying this for the last two or three years.
He was bound to get it eventually right ::)
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What happens if we are 2 & 5 after 7 rounds?
Does March sack Wallace and elevate Campbell with Sheedy in a mentoring role? Then Jack looks pretty right on the money, if 12 months late.
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What happens if we are 2 & 5 after 7 rounds?
Does March sack Wallace and elevate Campbell with Sheedy in a mentoring role? Then Jack looks pretty right on the money, if 12 months late.
100% correct.
lose to the blues and its curtains for mr Solarium id say with cats to follow
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From memory March is on the record for saying that Wallace's contract will be reviewed in June, which is about half way through the season.
However if we have a crap start to the season I am sure the pressure will be on to make a change.
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March said today on KB's show that Sheeds experience in mentoring would be a help to our young players and our young assistant coaches like King and McRae who haven't been coaching for long.
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What happens if we are 2 & 5 after 7 rounds?
Does March sack Wallace and elevate Campbell with Sheedy in a mentoring role? Then Jack looks pretty right on the money, if 12 months late.
He's three years late :rollin
Jack said Sheeds was going to coach.
What is it, Sheeds or Campbell?
Neither, I hope :banghead
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What happens if we are 2 & 5 after 7 rounds?
Does March sack Wallace and elevate Campbell with Sheedy in a mentoring role? Then Jack looks pretty right on the money, if 12 months late.
He's three years late :rollin
Jack said Sheeds was going to coach.
What is it, Sheeds or Campbell?
Neither, I hope :banghead
If Wallace is replaced in 2009/2010 whoever gets the gig is just going to get a ride based on Wallace and his list managements team work anyway.
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What happens if we are 2 & 5 after 7 rounds?
Does March sack Wallace and elevate Campbell with Sheedy in a mentoring role? Then Jack looks pretty right on the money, if 12 months late.
100% correct.
lose to the blues and its curtains for mr Solarium id say with cats to follow
What I find extremely sad is people like you would be hoping we lose our first games in order for that scenario to occur.
That's pretty sad!
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What happens if we are 2 & 5 after 7 rounds?
Does March sack Wallace and elevate Campbell with Sheedy in a mentoring role? Then Jack looks pretty right on the money, if 12 months late.
100% correct.
lose to the blues and its curtains for mr Solarium id say with cats to follow
What I find extremely sad is people like you would be hoping we lose our first games in order for that scenario to occur.
That's pretty sad!
if thats what u think ur the one is sad and dellusional.
I have yellow and black running through my veins so next time think before you make a comment like that.
i dont like TW and that is a fact but if we make finals consistently i would be the first to admit i got it wrong
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March said Sheeds is coming back on a part time basis. The club would like it to become eventually full time.
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"I think most people, including Kevin, realise he's not going to coach again, so I think any nervousness at clubs about Kevin coming back and being a coach is gone by the wayside."
Those that wanted and predicted Sheeds back as coach will be in tears lol.
I'm happy Sheeds is going to be involved in boosting membership and marketing of the club as it is a role that will suit him and benefit the club at the same time. However the media are going overboard about him keeping a promise to return someday. If Sheeds wasn't sacked by Essendon and rejected by other clubs like Melbourne he'd still be coaching away from Punt Rd.
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I have yellow and black running through my veins
Have u seen a doctor ?
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Kinda funny how it was reported that March wanted more Richmond people back at the club, then publically said that he wanted the best people available, not just the best Richmond people
Yet his last three appointments have been Free, Campbell & Sheedy... all ex-Richmond men
Either the only people who'll consider coming to the club are ex-Richmond people, or the reports were right from the start. Sheedy is a legend and a great mind, but he's borderline senile now. Free & Campbell are both from highly unsuccessful periods of the club, they hardly understand a premiership environment.
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Cambo and Sheeds at least have experience in the roles they have been employed in. Freezer is an L-plater as far as a board position and clearly was a token "Richmond person" appointment.
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Well I think its good that we are looking at ways of improving the club with pasionate Tiger people instead of crap like Spud Walls etc. Who knows if we keep going this way we might just have something to be proud of!
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Kevin Sheedy's spectre pressures Terry Wallace
Mark Robinson | October 22, 2008
THE threat to Terry Wallace, if one was to eventuate, was expected to come from a "wannabe" coach 25 years younger than Kevin Sheedy.
Not initially from the coaching icon who, despite his own misgivings about resurrecting one of the great coaching careers, is still yet to categorically rule out a return to the caper.
In countless appearances on stage, on TV and behind microphones – and in far-flung towns such as Tuggeranong, ACT, where Sheedy on Monday night addressed 150 sports coaches – he has avoided absolute closure.
Will you coach again?, he is often asked. "I would think not," he has often answered.
True, he is at Barbaricus-like odds. Probably longer. But Sheedy, like another discarded warrior in Denis Pagan, can never say never.
Telephoned on Monday, just hours after meeting with Richmond about a high-profile position off-field, which Sheedy is almost certain to agree to, he didn't want to discuss football, let alone a coaching role, or at the very least a football mentoring role.
"I'm in Blumfield territory," he said. "In the valley.
"Two AFL players have come from Tuggeranong. Blumfield and . . .?"
Hmmm.
"Went from Carlton to St Kilda. Looked like Superman. Come on . . ."
Never let it be said Sheedy has lost – or will ever lose – his zest for the game.
In all likelihood – arrived at by combining common sense with the direction of the game, particularly coaching and it being a younger man's domain – Sheedy won't coach again.
Certainly, Tigers president Gary March doesn't think so, and that is significant.
"I think most people, including Kevin, realise he's not going to coach again, so I think any nervousness at clubs about Kevin coming back and being a coach is gone by the wayside," he said.
So is Wallace nervous?
Probably not, but can't help wonder what he honestly thinks of the Sheedy appointment, remembering Sheedy famously once accused him of playing that "basketball crap".
Wallace is a realist.
Pressure drapes over him like a summer willow as he prepares for his fifth year at Tigerland and 12th year coaching overall.
If it wasn't Sheedy and the shadow that he casts, it would have been from someone or somewhere else.
For Wallace, it would appear finals are a necessity – and a surging finals spot at that – and if by Round 12 the season is stuttering, so will be the coach.
The AFL draw, to be released to the public on Friday, will be telling.
If Richmond is unlucky and faces, say, the Hawks twice, Geelong twice, Brisbane, Sydney and Adelaide away in the first 10 games, Wallace could have the sharks circling by mid-year, the time March has said the coach's future would be discussed.
On the flip side, if he is 9-3 then a lot of precious paper has been wasted on this debate. He will go around again and deservedly so.
Unquestionably, changes are engulfing the Tigers.
Wallace has lost loyal colleagues Greg Miller and Paul Armstrong, his support structure eroded by March's drive for fresh faces.
And with new assistant coach Wayne Campbell – who also has strong support from the president – and Sheedy in whatever capacity, it is foolish not to suggest a replacement is ready and willing if Wallace fails.
Then there's Nathan Buckley.
The Collingwood champ will decide midway through next year where his future lies and at which club.
Before Campbell's appointment – and perhaps even Sheedy's – Richmond and Buckley wasn't an entirely ridiculous union.
Buckley will be offered a position at Collingwood by Eddie McGuire – as senior or assistant coach – but several other coaches are also coming out of contract.
They are at the Western Bulldogs, St Kilda, maybe the Kangaroos, Port Adelaide and, of course, the Tigers.
He will go somewhere, Bucks, and if he rails against Collingwood in preference for a new frontier, pity the club that ignores him.
Wallace, Sheedy, Campbell, Buckley . . . there are certainly interesting times ahead at Punt Rd.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24531516-19742,00.html
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The Herald-Sun is pushing this on their forum too ::)
The spectre of Kevin Sheedy looks like it will loom large at Punt Rd this year, but what does that mean for Terry Wallace?
Last year of a contract, largely unproven list, finals or your out and the AFL's longest-serving coach looking over your shoulder. Can't be comfortable for him.
Is this a distraction and pressure you Tiger fans welcome, or do you reckon it's going to do more harm than good?
Any does anyone actually want Sheeds coaching the Tigers in 2010, if not earlier?
http://superfootyforum.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=431
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The Herald-Sun is pushing this on their forum too ::)
The spectre of Kevin Sheedy looks like it will loom large at Punt Rd this year, but what does that mean for Terry Wallace?
Last year of a contract, largely unproven list, finals or your out and the AFL's longest-serving coach looking over your shoulder. Can't be comfortable for him.
Is this a distraction and pressure you Tiger fans welcome, or do you reckon it's going to do more harm than good?
Any does anyone actually want Sheeds coaching the Tigers in 2010, if not earlier?
http://superfootyforum.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=431
The media is playing their part, as predictable.
Just part of the Sheedy propaganda machine
But so are Richmond supporters. Going on what I've read on boards in the last couple of days, the romantic Tiger supporters are fuelling the Sheeds back to coach the Tiges as well
No matter what, Wallace will feel the pressure with Sheeds in the background
I wonder if the roles were reversed, if Sheeds would like a scenario like that.
I very much doubt it.
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It must be tough for football journalist at this time of year. Even more than usual you have to try and create stories out of thin air which have no factual crediance at all yet attempt to make it sound like there could be an element of truth behind your words.
This story is an obvious ploy to spark speculation and increase the pressure on TW before the season even begins.
Sheedy has no realistic chance nor any probable interest in coaching the Tigers. He would not have been employed if this was the case. In fact the club has insured there is no opportunity for interference by offering a job outside the football department. It has been reported that Sheedy would not have accepted a job inside the football department any how because he wants to insure that he is there to help, not hinder, the club.
Mark Robinson is a fanatical Essesndon supporter and his motives for this article are therefore multi-layed.
Firstly, Sheedy WAS Essendon for over a quarter of a century and Robinson doesn't want this appointment to be seen as a positive for the Tigers or a slight on the Bombers so he is attempting to paint it in a negative light.
Secondly, Robinson does not like the Tigers and fears any future success they may have over his club. Any instability he can assist in generating at the club which could effect their on-field performance he is more than willing to create.
Thirdly, TW is a consistent and reliable target during slow times. Unfortunately this easy story is coming to an end. If TW and the Tigers have success this year then the journalists will not be able to generate the usual pack frenzie and short-sighted mob mentality to have him sacked and therefore give the papers an abundance of material to write and sell in their papers. Conversely, if he is sacked then the articles on TW stop regardless.
Lastly, there is nothing to write about at this time of the year so....make something up on a topic that is a proven paper seller - Richmond Coach sackings!
For all our sakes I hope we have a good season this year so we can see the end of this sort of article for a long time!
Stripes
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With our club history of coaches I am sure Wallace was under no illusions on his job security when he joined us four years ago.
I don't think having ex-coaches and potential coaches readily visible will make a big difference to Wallace. He basically has always known at this stage of his contract after the rebuilding phase he had to have onfield success or he was gone.
As said before media hype and romantic supporters.
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Agree Stripes. I posted this on another site:
"Right on cue. Instead of an article about the facts of the proposed
role Sheedy will have and an opinion/debate on the merits of this
role, lets poke a stick at the 'Richmond cage' and see if we can get
the 'tiger to bite', especially in these quiet news story times. Use a
sensational headline that doesn't relate to the point (he ends up
talking about Buckley???????) and follow that up with nothing but
'around the water-cooler' speculation. Great journalism."
Bloody journo's make me wild.
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As long as he sticks to off-field matters, it's a great appointment
I think the media would have gotten stuck into Wallace even if Sheeds wasn't there if we lost a couple of our early games next year. Being in his fifth year, he doesn't want any hiccups.
If we wanna boost our coaching panel, I'd be going after a new generation in Buckley. That would be a bigger coup than Sheeds IMO.
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... I'd be going after a new generation in Buckley. That would be a bigger coup than Sheeds IMO.
and more dangerous to Wallace.
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... I'd be going after a new generation in Buckley. That would be a bigger coup than Sheeds IMO.
and more dangerous to Wallace.
Cambo would be classed as the new generation. Sheeds is finished.
A laughable piece by Robbo btw. With no high profile out of contract players and pointless PSD coming up it's been a very quiet time for footy while we sit and wait for the draft. So no surprise the journos are making stories up. Malthouse would be looking over his shoulder after 10 years and no flag at Buckley not Wallace. Apart from some AIS work and assisting the IR team Bucks has had no coaching experience either.
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What a waste of paper ... it really is the off season isn't it.
I feel like suing the journo for wasting the few minutes of my life it took to read that thing.
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Kevin Sheedy's spectre pressures Terry Wallace
Mark Robinson | October 22, 2008
...So is Wallace nervous?
Probably not, but can't help wonder what he honestly thinks of the Sheedy appointment, remembering Sheedy famously once accused him of playing that "basketball crap".
Wallace is a realist....
Pity Mark Robinson isn't.... what a non-event nothing editorial
And the point was what exactly :help
;D
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Kevin Sheedy's spectre pressures Terry Wallace
Mark Robinson | October 22, 2008
...So is Wallace nervous?
Probably not, but can't help wonder what he honestly thinks of the Sheedy appointment, remembering Sheedy famously once accused him of playing that "basketball crap".
Wallace is a realist....
Pity Mark Robinson isn't.... what a non-event nothing editorial
And the point was what exactly :help
;D
The point was for Robbo to write some crap to justify his pay cheque. Make up there's an issue even though isn't to whip up some phoney hysteria about same old Richmond sacking coaches :sleep.
Geez it must be easy to be a footy journo these days. Just steal ideas for stories and the mood of the public off fan forums.
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Bomber fans on BB reckon Sheeds is starting to have a go at Essendon (in his book) and it's part of his new job at Richmond. It's all part of a clever plan to build up the rivalry between the two clubs and get huge crowds at the Dreamtime game.
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Bomber fans on BB reckon Sheeds is starting to have a go at Essendon (in his book) and it's part of his new job at Richmond. It's all part of a clever plan to build up the rivalry between the two clubs and get huge crowds at the Dreamtime game.
I dont think BB posters would know what clever was even if it slapped them in the face
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Bomber fans on BB reckon Sheeds is starting to have a go at Essendon (in his book) and it's part of his new job at Richmond. It's all part of a clever plan to build up the rivalry between the two clubs and get huge crowds at the Dreamtime game.
Lets hope its our home game!
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Not sure if KB was joking but he said this morning on his show he's surprised Sheeds had any spare time left to get involved at Punt Rd.
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Sheedy: Relax, Terry Wallace, your job is safe
Glenn McFarlane | October 26, 2008
KEVIN Sheedy says Richmond coach Terry Wallace has nothing to fear about the AFL coaching legend's return to Punt Rd next season.
Sheedy is close to finalising a deal in a marketing and strategic role at the club where he made his name, but has no intentions of playing a part in the football department.
"It's hard enough to coach - you don't want ex-coaches running around behind you," he said.
"I don't really want to move into the footy department at all.
"There will be times when I will sit down with Terry and have a chat about the club in general. But I will be looking at other areas where I can bring some expertise to the club."
Some have suggested a Sheedy return to Richmond could prove unsettling for Wallace, who is about to enter the final year of his contract.
But Sheedy says nothing could be further from the truth.
The 61-year-old four-time premiership coach doubts if he will coach an AFL team again, but admits he could "never say never".
"I can't make a comment on that because something might happen at another club," he said.
"The odds are I'll never coach again. Not many people get employed at 60 unless you live in America or Europe. Besides, I am enjoying the life I've got at the moment."
Sheedy's return to the yellow and black will come 30 years after he retired as a player. He spoke with Tigers president Gary March about a role when his time at Essendon ended last year, but wanted a year away to relax.
"It's the first time - in 44 years since I joined the VFA - to have a rest, and to be quite honest I have still worked pretty hard this year," he said.
"Now I have got a set of ideas and thoughts that might help some clubs and the AFL."
He plans to put some of those ideas in place at Richmond, saying he was buoyed by the fact the Tigers boasted a large fan base, despite a 28-year premiership drought.
He will push the blockbuster games he has tried to create for Richmond - Dreamtime at the 'G against Essendon and the Eureka Game against North Melbourne.
"I was away for Eureka this year, which was frustrating," he said.
"But I would love to think we could get 60,000 people to the game next year, to thank the people who have worked to build this nation."
He says Richmond has the potential to "do what Essendon has done off the field".
"This is about Richmond and about how we can lock them in as safe and secure in the AFL. The Bombers are locked away and safe because they have about $10 million in the bank or in assets.
"I'm going to bring to the table what I can to help the long-term future of Richmond."
Sheedy, who is expected to keep a part-time role with the AFL next season, wants Richmond to help spread the game internationally.
Speaking as part of the release of his new book, Stand Your Ground, Sheedy says he wanted to trade Bomber captain Matthew Lloyd to the Eagles in a deal to lure Chris Judd at the end of last year.
"Not getting Judd was a huge loss for the Bombers," Sheedy writes. "Even now, West Coast still needs a full-forward, so they might have been really interested in the deal.
"Going to Perth would have given Matthew the chance to play in his favourite position all the time. He wasn't always happy when I switched him to centre half-forward.
"It can be a hard thing in a footy club if the captain doesn't agree with what the coach believes is best for the team."
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24552012-19742,00.html
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Well without doubt we should all feel warm and fuzzy now
:rollin :rollin
:yep
:eyebrow
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Well without doubt we should all feel warm and fuzzy now
:rollin :rollin
:yep
:eyebrow
Yeah, "never say never" must make Terry feel real secure lol
Hey, I don't recall Terry ever saying he was worried, so it's a non-issue, Kevin ::)
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Sheeds is at least annoying Essendon and it's fans :yep
Yes, We are Essendon, but had it not been for Sheedy, we'd be no better than Richmond now - a sleeping giant that can't wake up. Alas, forget on-field, but at least off-field, Richmond will become a power again with Sheeds assisting at Tigerland. Essendon is now at it's most vulnerable, without a 'figure' of power that can protect the club from outside influence and inner disturbance. Fat Ray is a joker. PJ should become Israel's Prime minister, he's so tight fisted. We have no friends at AFL house, but Sheedy has. At least he waited til' the off-season to start sinking the boots into the old red & black heartland. His non renewal was handled beyond poor, and that's his point.
A club is only as good as the people that run it. He is making Essendon look like it's run by backstabbing cowards.
I hope it doesn't turn into a bitter war of words with all involved with irrepairable damage. He's made his point for the umpteenth time, he should bugger off now and let Knights try to fix the on-field stuff, which is all that needs fixing, apart from Fat Ray.
http://www.bomberblitz.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=45615&st=30
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Well without doubt we should all feel warm and fuzzy now
:rollin :rollin
:yep
:eyebrow
Yeah, "never say never" must make Terry feel real secure lol
Hey, I don't recall Terry ever saying he was worried, so it's a non-issue, Kevin ::)
Agree it is all media driven - Sheedy may have simply been responding to questions raised by the media and once again they have more information to try and start a wildfire - funny thing is all their attempts are failing - how long since we have been this stable?
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Spot on Gracie. :thumbsup
Well without doubt we should all feel warm and fuzzy now
:rollin :rollin
:yep
:eyebrow
Yeah, "never say never" must make Terry feel real secure lol
Hey, I don't recall Terry ever saying he was worried, so it's a non-issue, Kevin ::)
Has the sky fallen yet?
Because you talk like a supporter who cant wait for it to happen. :whistle
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Spot on Gracie. :thumbsup
Well without doubt we should all feel warm and fuzzy now
:rollin :rollin
:yep
:eyebrow
Yeah, "never say never" must make Terry feel real secure lol
Hey, I don't recall Terry ever saying he was worried, so it's a non-issue, Kevin ::)
Has the sky fallen yet?
Because you talk like a supporter who cant wait for it to happen. :whistle
And you have a chip on your shoulder about me - your problem :-*
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Spot on Gracie. :thumbsup
Well without doubt we should all feel warm and fuzzy now
:rollin :rollin
:yep
:eyebrow
Yeah, "never say never" must make Terry feel real secure lol
Hey, I don't recall Terry ever saying he was worried, so it's a non-issue, Kevin ::)
Has the sky fallen yet?
Because you talk like a supporter who cant wait for it to happen. :whistle
And you have a chip on your shoulder about me - your problem :-*
Dream on, lass. Wake up from your Chicken Little off season slumber where you're the new Jackstar trying to write off anything RFC do, except for Wallace, as wrong or not worth a positive reaction. You're the new delusional conspiracy theorist with no base to them. Pity really, you used to be a poster without prejudice.
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Spot on Gracie. :thumbsup
Well without doubt we should all feel warm and fuzzy now
:rollin :rollin
:yep
:eyebrow
Yeah, "never say never" must make Terry feel real secure lol
Hey, I don't recall Terry ever saying he was worried, so it's a non-issue, Kevin ::)
Has the sky fallen yet?
Because you talk like a supporter who cant wait for it to happen. :whistle
And you have a chip on your shoulder about me - your problem :-*
Dream on, lass. Wake up from your Chicken Little off season slumber where you're the new Jackstar trying to write off anything RFC do, except for Wallace, as wrong or not worth a positive reaction. You're the new delusional conspiracy theorist with no base to them. Pity really, you used to be a poster without prejudice.
You're sick!
Are you Rosy!
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Spot on Gracie. :thumbsup
Well without doubt we should all feel warm and fuzzy now
:rollin :rollin
:yep
:eyebrow
Yeah, "never say never" must make Terry feel real secure lol
Hey, I don't recall Terry ever saying he was worried, so it's a non-issue, Kevin ::)
Has the sky fallen yet?
Because you talk like a supporter who cant wait for it to happen. :whistle
And you have a chip on your shoulder about me - your problem :-*
Dream on, lass. Wake up from your Chicken Little off season slumber where you're the new Jackstar trying to write off anything RFC do, except for Wallace, as wrong or not worth a positive reaction. You're the new delusional conspiracy theorist with no base to them. Pity really, you used to be a poster without prejudice.
You're sick!
Are you Rosy!
Even the stupid short posts that come from being a trolling poster. Well done, you have stepped up again. ::)
There is a difference between being critical with substance of the clubs decisions, which is fine by me, and being a delusional poster trying to find a negative angle in every single bloody subject. You're the latter. Congrats.
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Spot on Gracie. :thumbsup
Well without doubt we should all feel warm and fuzzy now
:rollin :rollin
:yep
:eyebrow
Yeah, "never say never" must make Terry feel real secure lol
Hey, I don't recall Terry ever saying he was worried, so it's a non-issue, Kevin ::)
Has the sky fallen yet?
Because you talk like a supporter who cant wait for it to happen. :whistle
And you have a chip on your shoulder about me - your problem :-*
Dream on, lass. Wake up from your Chicken Little off season slumber where you're the new Jackstar trying to write off anything RFC do, except for Wallace, as wrong or not worth a positive reaction. You're the new delusional conspiracy theorist with no base to them. Pity really, you used to be a poster without prejudice.
You're sick!
Are you Rosy!
Even the stupid short posts that come from being a trolling poster. Well done, you have stepped up again. ::)
There is a difference between being critical with substance of the clubs decisions, which is fine by me, and being a delusional poster trying to find a negative angle in every single bloody subject. You're the latter. Congrats.
Stop the personal insults.
I am not a troll and I object to being called one because I have differing opinions than you.
Read the rules of posting on here will you
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Spot on Gracie. :thumbsup
Well without doubt we should all feel warm and fuzzy now
:rollin :rollin
:yep
:eyebrow
Yeah, "never say never" must make Terry feel real secure lol
Hey, I don't recall Terry ever saying he was worried, so it's a non-issue, Kevin ::)
Has the sky fallen yet?
Because you talk like a supporter who cant wait for it to happen. :whistle
And you have a chip on your shoulder about me - your problem :-*
Dream on, lass. Wake up from your Chicken Little off season slumber where you're the new Jackstar trying to write off anything RFC do, except for Wallace, as wrong or not worth a positive reaction. You're the new delusional conspiracy theorist with no base to them. Pity really, you used to be a poster without prejudice.
You're sick!
Are you Rosy!
Even the stupid short posts that come from being a trolling poster. Well done, you have stepped up again. ::)
There is a difference between being critical with substance of the clubs decisions, which is fine by me, and being a delusional poster trying to find a negative angle in every single bloody subject. You're the latter. Congrats.
Stop the personal insults.
I am not a troll and I object to being called one because I have differing opinions than you.
Read the rules of posting on here will you
Personal insults? Bit hypocritical don't you think? ::)
You're sick!
Are you Rosy!
If that wasn't a trolling post I don't know what is.
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Keep your agenda to yourself, tigersalive, I ain't interested!
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Got to love this website. Never know who will come out of the Blue Corner and who will come out of the Red. All I know is that they will come out swinging.
Anyway back on topic. Media, Media, Media is all that needs to be said really. Gracie is right, we are doing well even with the best effort of the media to turn us back into a rabble.
I know many think Sheedy is some sort of thinking Genius and will do wonders for us. I always get this quote from Monty Python in my head when I think of Sheedy.
"He is Not the Messiah, hes just a very naughty boy"
I do know it does not quite make sence in this situtation but I cant help what pops in my head.
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Robbo said on SEN just before 2pm that the club had a meeting with Sheeds last Monday. He'll be involved with advertising and boosting our membership as well as helping out at the new indigenous centre and with the helping the Irish boys we are getting to settle in.
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... the helping the Irish boys we are getting to settle in.
So does this imply we are getting more than 1?
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I can see now why Lloyd wanted sheedy out.
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Dear Terry,
I think your job is as safe as it ever was
Yours Sincerely Chuck
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... the helping the Irish boys we are getting to settle in.
So does this imply we are getting more than 1?
That surprised me too that Robbo said boys plural. Maybe we are bringing over a tall and a small?
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Sheeds was on SEN's "in the huddle" for an hour to promote his book.
On Richmond, Sheeds said he's looking forward to helping the Tigers in membership, marketing, corporate areas and maybe a coterie. Nothing in concrete yet so he can't say what yet.
Mark Doran asked about Sheeds working in an assistant coaching role but Sheeds said that side of things won't happen. He's still working with the AFL and all he's talked about is the off-field areas above plus developing the programs for the development of indigenous kids in our new centre.
At Essendon they have a Hutchinson group - a young group of future executives. It worked well at Essendon. He'd like to get something similar started at Richmond. He wants to get people to work together to make a great club. Having a great club is very important.
Leon Daphne was the best club president he'd met. Doran cheekily said you'd like to get him back but Sheeds said that's not for him to say. He was closest to leaving Essendon back then (end of 99) and also the offer Willisee and the Swans put on the table (late 80s) was very good. In the end the best decision was to stay with Essendon.
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I know Daphne is no longer in charge of Nissan but it's coincidence that Nissan is coming back on board as a shorts sponsor next year.
Sheeds also has the idea of all indigenous footballers drafted onto an AFL list being outside the salary cap. That may be a good idea for rich clubs like Essendon but Richmond's finances aren't yet at a stage to take advantage of something like that.
http://www.afl.com.au/News/NEWSARTICLE/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=69387
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You're sick!
Are you Rosy!
Is that Rosy from PRE? :yawn
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This was also in this weekend's Sunday Herald-Sun yet not on the net. I've typed it out.
Coaching coaches
Punchlines - Scot Palmer
KEVIN Sheedy starts back at Punt Rd next month after 28 years with a full marketing-membership portfolio and one not entirely detached from the coaching scene. We've heard the versatile character has been earmarked to mentor some of the coaching personnel working under senior coach Terry Wallace. That way Wallace will be able to give even more time to making the final eight next year.
Former captain Wayne Campbell is returning after a short stint with the Western Bulldogs and Jade Rawlings is moving to a development role while coaching VFL affiliate Coburg.
What is causing some consternation at Coburg, though, is Richmond's wish to see the "Burgers'' spend some time at the complex being developed at Craigieburn.
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Kevin Sheedy grills Richmond about Ben Cousins
Damian Barrett | November 28, 2008
KEVIN Sheedy has questioned Richmond over its reluctance to consider recruiting Ben Cousins.
In style typical of the veteran former coach, Sheedy used the question-and-answer forum of a Tom Hafey Club dinner on Wednesday night to probe Tigers football operations manager Craig Cameron about Cousins.
In an exchange described by two attendees as animated, Sheedy told Cameron that Hawthorn was rewarded this year for its punt on Stuart Dew and wondered why he had ruled out Cousins.
Cameron said the former Eagle, who has admitted to an addiction to drugs, did not fit Richmond's recruiting policy and that he would only be a distraction to the playing list.
Sheedy, who last month agreed to become a face of Richmond's 2009 membership drive, persisted, arguing he could be worth a chance with a late national draft pick.
The last of the Tigers' four picks in Saturday's draft is No. 70.
While there was a theory of some Tigers people that Sheedy was simply testing Cameron's ability to handle the delicate matter of Cousins in a public forum, there were others who said the probing appeared genuine and not at all staged.
"You could hear a pin drop when it was on," said one of the roughly 150 people who attended the Tom Hafey Club dinner at Richmond's Punt Rd headquarters.
"Sheedy poked his head out from behind a pillar and made a real point of taking Cameron on."
Sheedy spoke one-on-one with Cameron after the dinner.
Cameron would not comment on the exchange with Sheedy nor Richmond's official stance on Cousins when contacted by the Herald Sun yesterday.
Sheedy could not be contacted.
Among those in attendance at the dinner were Richmond president Gary March, chief executive Steven Wright, assistant coach Wayne Campbell and former club captain and ex-president Neville Crowe.
Sheedy played in three premierships for Richmond before coaching Essendon for 27 years.
He had no AFL club involvement last year.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24718110-19742,00.html
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So much for Sheedy staying out of the business of the footy dept although knowing the Herald-Sun Sheeds probably just inquisitively asked about Cousins and Cameron said not interested yet the Hun has sensationalised it into some "animated" discussion to make it back page news.
Did anyone here go to the THC dinner? I'd be interested to know what you made of it all.
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Did anyone here go to the THC dinner? I'd be interested to know what you made of it all.
I didn't go but bg25 was there and her comment to me was that there was nothing to it, Sheeds just being Sheeds and that Cameron handled it well.
On today's HUN story bg25 reckon it must be a slow news day ;D
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Did anyone here go to the THC dinner? I'd be interested to know what you made of it all.
I didn't go but bg25 was there and her comment to me was that there was nothing to it, Sheeds just being Sheeds and that Cameron handled it well.
On today's HUN story bg25 reckon it must be a slow news day ;D
Ta WP. No surprise the Herald-Sun using Richmond to create headlines that aren't there :sleep.
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Kevin Sheedy prepares for life at Tigerland in '09
Herald-Sun | Wayne Flower | December 03, 2008
AFL football great Kevin Sheedy is feeling on top of the world to be back at his old club.
The Tigers premiership player, who can boast a 251-game career at Punt Rd, is back where his sporting life began to, among other things, help Richmond build its membership and sponsorship.
Sheedy fulfilled a 28-year promise to return to Punt Rd and he took his commitment to a new level yesterday, soaring over Punt Rd in a hot air balloon.
The huge Sherrin-shaped balloon took off from Royal Park before taking in the sights over the MCG and landing 45 minutes later at South Yarra.
Picture This Ballooning pilot Peter Wright said Sheedy had a great love for the area.
"That's an area that has huge and profound effects on people's lives," he said.
"Kevin wants to use that concept to provide positivity to underprivileged and indigenous kids.
"People dream about playing sport in that precinct in Melbourne and his message is 'It can be done'."
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http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24742755-2862,00.html
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How Kevin Sheedy saved Ben Cousins
Jon Ralph | December 12, 2008
A DIRECT plea for a second chance and the intervention of a club legend launched the dramatic backflip that will turn Ben Cousins into a Tiger.
Richmond coach Terry Wallace's decision to draft Cousins was kick-started by a phone call from the fallen champion.
That phone call was set up by Kevin Sheedy, who contacted Wallace and alerted him to Cousins' desperation to be considered by Richmond.
Sheedy's phone message to Wallace was that Cousins was eager to make a personal plea, with Wallace later texting back to confirm the dialogue had started.
From that conversation, the Cousins-to-Richmond idea started gaining momentum, culminating in this week's developments. It is believed Wallace met Cousins in Melbourne yesterday.
While Sheedy supports Cousins being given a second chance at AFL level, he did not personally convince Wallace of the former West Coast captain's merits.
Instead, it was Cousins' enthusiasm, after earlier rebuffing inquiries from Brisbane Lions coach Michael Voss, that was the catalyst for the renewed interest.
"I hope he gets drafted," Sheedy said yesterday.
"I have always been a supporter of giving a person a second chance. I met with Ben Cousins (in Perth) last week to sit down and see where he was at in his own mind.
"For me it's about the person, not even necessarily about Richmond or footy in general. I would just like to see him get his life together."
In a day of developments, it became apparent yesterday Richmond would probably select Cousins even if its appeal to put Graham Polak on the rookie list is rejected.
The Tigers can take Cousins with selection six in the pre-season draft. The youngsters they are considering are all eligible for the rookie list.
It is unlikely the AFL will knock back Richmond's request on injured defender Polak, with the AFL Commission expected to agree to the submission, despite the queries of several rival clubs.
As a rookie, Polak could still play senior football again next year as early as Round 11, with a new rule allowing clubs to elevate a rookie halfway through the season.
That would allow the Tigers not only to recruit Cousins, but also to give Polak the chance to take the field again for the Tigers in his own time.
The Tigers board has not officially made a decision, but it has given its approval to the football department and will not meet again before Tuesday's pre-season draft.
Richmond is thrilled by the positive support from fans and members after the Cousins news broke.
The negative sentiment of last month seems to have evaporated, with some Tiger fan forums running at 80 per cent in support of Cousins.
The Tigers have ample salary cap room to pay Cousins. They had space to land a big fish such as Eagle Daniel Kerr in trade week, and if Polak is named a rookie, they will be able to pay him his contract outside the salary cap.
Pressure from sponsors is also not considered a factor, as it was reported to be for Collingwood and St Kilda.
Manager Ricky Nixon has been encouraging to Cousins to sell himself and go out and actively chase clubs.
Sheedy has been in contact with Cousins since being interviewed for his documentary mid-year. He is believed to have met him in Perth in the past fortnight.
Sheedy has been appointed as a Richmond ambassador and consultant, and will meet the Tigers board next week to discuss his role at the club.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24788276-19742,00.html
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The Tigers have ample salary cap room to pay Cousins. They had space to land a big fish such as Eagle Daniel Kerr in trade week, and if Polak is named a rookie, they will be able to pay him his contract outside the salary cap.
Good to hear we still have ample salary cap room. With a young developing list we'll have have room to move to keep the side together in theyears to come.
In a day of developments, it became apparent yesterday Richmond would probably select Cousins even if its appeal to put Graham Polak on the rookie list is rejected.
I would rather we do it only if we get that extra free pick. Cousins even if he succeeds with his comeback is still a short-term option.
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It does beg the question: is Sheedy the Messiah?
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Sheedy coming back has breathed new life into this club.
Most with half a brain wanted him back and some didn't (MOI)
If we make the finals I will personally thank him, not because of cousins or gourdis or anyone we pick up, but because he has added something to this club. Something that fool Wallace cant and never will.
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Sheedy coming back has breathed new life into this club.
What a load of crap. What has he done that has changed the results, performance or direction of the club in the time since he has been back?
Most with half a brain wanted him back and some didn't (MOI)
Are you admitting to only having half a brain? ???
If we make the finals I will personally thank him, not because of cousins or gourdis or anyone we pick up, but because he has added something to this club. Something that fool Wallace cant and never will.
"That fool Wallace" (and others) have been the ones responsible for turning this club around. We are going to make the finals in 2009 with or without Cousins and with or without Sheedy. It will have nothing to do with either and you will just look like a fool congratulating someone who had no impact on the end result.
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but because he has added something to this club. Something that fool Wallace cant and never will.
That is apart from gutting a mediocre list and putting up with a lot of criticism in developing a young promising football side
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Sheedy coming back has breathed new life into this club.
What a load of crap. What has he done that has changed the results, performance or direction of the club in the time since he has been back?
Most with half a brain wanted him back and some didn't (MOI)
Are you admitting to only having half a brain? ???
If we make the finals I will personally thank him, not because of cousins or gourdis or anyone we pick up, but because he has added something to this club. Something that fool Wallace cant and never will.
"That fool Wallace" (and others) have been the ones responsible for turning this club around. We are going to make the finals in 2009 with or without Cousins and with or without Sheedy. It will have nothing to do with either and you will just look like a fool congratulating someone who had no impact on the end result.
sheedy shopuld have been at Punt Road many many years ago.
I already feel his presence at punt road and its only been a few months.
Richmond are no longer a powerhouse, however with Sheeds back on track that is changing and changing very quick
:bow to sheeds we all love you
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The only thing I am congratulating Sheedy on at the moment is leaving Essendon with a crappy list and three ageing champions on their last legs that will leave holes bigger than the grand canyon.
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The only thing I am congratulating Sheedy on at the moment is leaving Essendon with a crappy list and three ageing champions on their last legs that will leave holes bigger than the grand canyon.
and how many flags was it???
what a loser you are.
who cares about an ageing list they won FLAGS with him
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It does beg the question: is Sheedy the Messiah?
Oh please ::)
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and how many flags was it???
what a loser you are.
who cares about an ageing list they won FLAGS with him
You were giving credit to Sheedy if the tigers make the finals, that was a ridiculous statement to make as Sheedy has done nothing at this point of time, it has been primarily Wallace who will deserve the credit as he has gutted the list and built it back up again. If you compare the four years of Wallace's tenure to that of Sheedy's at Essendon basically Wallace has built a list while Sheedy has let one slide.
The fact that he won flags at Essendon does not entitle him to the credit if the tigers make the finals next year.
Feel free to come back with another insult.
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It does beg the question: is Sheedy the Messiah?
Oh please ::)
It was meant as sarcasm. Based on the headline "Sheedy saves Cousins".
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and how many flags was it???
what a loser you are.
who cares about an ageing list they won FLAGS with him
You were giving credit to Sheedy if the tigers make the finals, that was a ridiculous statement to make as Sheedy has done nothing at this point of time, it has been primarily Wallace who will deserve the credit as he has gutted the list and built it back up again. If you compare the four years of Wallace's tenure to that of Sheedy's at Essendon basically Wallace has built a list while Sheedy has let one slide.
The fact that he won flags at Essendon does not entitle him to the credit if the tigers make the finals next year.
Feel free to come back with another insult.
Will it be Wallace who gets the blame or Sheeds if Ben goes AWOL?
You can bet your life it will be Wallace lol
The comparisons between Wallace and Sheeds is just leading to WW3 IMO.
Sheeds keeping his nose out of football matters, fat chance :help
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Two things.
i) Sheeds aint been here long enough to assess anything.
ii) Wallace has had five years. One would expect us to have a better list. But there is a realistic chance we will miss finals this season and if that happened one would have to say that Terry's reign has been mediocre.
Neither is the messiah, yet.
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Two things.
i) Sheeds aint been here long enough to assess anything.
ii) Wallace has had five years. One would expect us to have a better list. But there is a realistic chance we will miss finals this season and if that happened one would have to say that Terry's reign has been mediocre.
Neither is the messiah, yet.
Yes, but there is a lot of confident optimism around at the moment, and that's because of Sheeds and this Ben thing
That just doesn't sound right to me
If we miss the finals this year, I think most people would think he had been mediocre, including himself.
And Wallace has only been there four years, not five.
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Two things.
i) Sheeds aint been here long enough to assess anything.
ii) Wallace has had five years. One would expect us to have a better list. But there is a realistic chance we will miss finals this season and if that happened one would have to say that Terry's reign has been mediocre.
Neither is the messiah, yet.
Fair Point
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KB asked Brian Waldron on Friday whether Craig Cameron would feel underminded or embarrassed by this turn of face by the Club after saying no to Cousins a number of times publicly. Waldron said he's known Cameron for 20 years and that don't be fooled into thinking Cameron isn't leading this change of heart by the club and push to get Cousins to Tigerland. Basically he argued that everyone has changed their mind at least once in their life. When KB was dismissive of what Waldron said, a caller rang in telling KB he changed his mind last year after 16 years ;D.
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When KB was dismissive of what Waldron said, a caller rang in telling KB he changed his mind last year after 16 years ;D.
Tish, boom! :lol
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Sheedy praises gutsy Tigers
Bendigo Advertiser
18/12/2008
KEVIN Sheedy - considered one of the key figures in persuading Richmond to consider drafting Ben Cousins - yesterday applauded the Tigers for their decision.
Richmond provided Cousins with a lifeline on Tuesday by selecting the former West Coast Eagle with selection six in the AFL pre-season draft.
“I’m glad the Tigers selected Ben because it gives the young man a chance in life, and I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that,” Sheedy told The Advertiser at a signing for his new autobiography, Stand Your Ground, at Dymocks in Bendigo.
“He just needs to get that chance to prove that he can do it and get his life together.” The drafting of Cousins has created enormous hype amongst Richmond supporters, with a crowd of 2000 gathering at Punt Road yesterday morning to watch the 30-year-old go through his first training session with his new team-mates.
“Well, that’s pretty different for this time of the year, isn’t it?” said Sheedy, who is now an ambassador for Richmond.
http://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/news/local/sport/afl/sheedy-praises-gutsy-tigers/1389167.aspx?storypage=0
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Well he is sure getting around. He was here in Yarraownga for our High Schools presentation night on Tuesday Night and gave a excellent speech. Not much in about the Tigers but Cousins did get a mention a couple of times as he was trying to tell the kids to never give up and take chances.
I was never a great Sheedy fan when he was at Essendon (yes I know flags etc) but I have never really heard him speak except for media clips. I was quite impressed.
I wont give him credit for turning the Tigers around if we do this year. I think he would have had little or no input to us getting where we are today.
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Kevin Sheedy rules out caretaking
Jackie Epstein | April 19, 2009
KEVIN Sheedy has declared he won't coach Richmond this season - but the Essendon legend has not ruled out coaching next year.
Even if the Tigers decided to replace coach Terry Wallace mid-season, Sheedy said he would not be an option as caretaker coach.
"I'm telling you right now, don't ever think I'll be coaching this year," he said.
"It's not even in my mind. Don't even think about it. I would never ever, ever do that to Terry Wallace.
"I don't know what's going to happen next year, but I know what I can do and what I can't do. If I thought I couldn't coach I wouldn't. I'm really enjoying freedom right now."
Sheedy understood why the pressure was building at Punt Rd but he urged fans and the club to be patient.
He said the Tigers had a history of making poor decisions.
"Unguided passion is dangerous and it disrupts huge organisations," Sheedy said. "The problem with our game and many other clubs is that you can't blame Terry Wallace for the previous years of failure at Richmond."
Sheedy also called for the AFL to intervene so coaches could not be sacked during the season.
"Any team that hasn't won a game, pressure builds, but winning helps and there's a long way to go this season," he said.
"You don't sack coaches during the year. And I believe the AFL should make sure, with their management and presidents, that it doesn't happen.
"You shouldn't treat coaches with disrespect because then they'll just back off."
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25352694-19742,00.html
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YEP KEVIN IS OUR MAN
next yr and the year after will be very important and fragile years for us and will definately determine our future as a club. i have no doubt if we keep failing over the next few years our club will die
a new young coach is not the answer right now. we need an experienced head who can first rebuild this team and get it playing as it should.
Kevin has the goods, he knows what to do on and off the field.
We will lose many members and sponsors next yr, Kevin Sheedy wil also keep cousins on our list and he will keep the members and sponsors coming. we need as much support as possible over the next 2 or so yrs.
Kevin sheedy should coach us and mentor our next coach, whether its campbell or whoever
one thing is for sure, the playing group WILL respect and listen to Kevin
I know many of you cant stand sheeds, but he is the man 4 the job at hand
a young coach wont be good enough to handle this difficult task at hand. ppl say look at knighter, knighter took over a club full of success, a power house club, a club that has no disease, a club that has a culture that sheedy built.
sheedy is the only man who can rebuild this poohole called richmond
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Cant see why we would lose sponsers, the publicty we have given this year has been gold! And as for Sheedy, well time is up, maybe he could help us find a new coach!
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his time isnt up
age has nothing to do with coaching ability, all the best coaches in the world are older wiser smarter
sheedy still has the passion
and we will lose sponsors because no one wants toi be associated with serial losers
but we need sheedy because he has the know how to rebuild this club, danny was a young coach he failed, terry was supposedly a great coach he has failed.
we need sheedy
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Id rather Hardwick as senior coach, with Sheedy given a job as director of coaching- that is to oversee all coaches and there development. Hardwick however should run the show as senior coach.
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Id rather Hardwick as senior coach, with Sheedy given a job as director of coaching- that is to oversee all coaches and there development. Hardwick however should run the show as senior coach.
a/ hardwick has no proven record in rebuilding a poohole like richmond
b/ hardwick has really as a coach proven nothing, remember the bombers knocked him back and the bombers know what they are doing
c/ hardwick hates rfc and will never even want the gig
d/ hardwick wont go anywhere where sheedy is
dont know why everyoine rates hardwick, just cos he was a thug as a player, i dont get it
We need to build the club from every angle, no rookie coach can do that
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You are entitled to your opinion but so am I
No thanks on Sheedy, he showed in his last years of Essendon that the game has past him and to be honest I never realy liked the way he used to throw the team about and people had no idea where they were playing.
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Its been close to 10 years since Sheeds had a decent team and even longer than that since he successfully rebuilt a team.
I'm with Ramps. Get someone young and hungry like Hardwick in to take the job by the scruff of the neck. If he would benefit from having Sheeds around then by all means get him in.
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Tigertime
Dont you think its ten years to late.
Look at Sheedys last three years at Essendon...guilty of the same crimes as Wallace...Trying to fix list with band aid solutions.Re Mal Micheal.Talked Hird out of retirement so they could finish mid table.
To borrow a line from Eddie....Its a nice romantic notion for Sheeds to coach the tigers but Richmond has to deal with Reality not Romance.
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nothing to do with romance , just got to do with th eright man to build the whole club, not just the team
our problems are not just on field, but also off.
thats why for at least 2 yrs we need him, then go for the young coach
just my opinion, and btw, the game never passes anyone just cos of their age, as long as they stay involved
this team that matty has at essendon is sheedys team. they are showing more than us atm
saying that i hope we smash them tonight
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Can tell you Tigertime has a point
Forget about match day duites, its a cultural problem
Hardwick ISNT the answer either
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Can tell you Tigertime has a point
Forget about match day duites, its a cultural problem
Hardwick ISNT the answer either
bingo!!
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people are far too quick to undersell the value of experience in particular when a club has slipped to the point we have...where's the reality in turtning to an inexperienced novice in our hour of need.... ::)...be it Hardwick, Hinkley or even Cambo, none of them have any expereince to draw on to guide this club , it's almost fanciful to think we could pluck an assistant and place such expectations on them :help
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people are far too quick to undersell the value of experience in particular when a club has slipped to the point we have...where's the reality in turtning to an inexperienced novice in our hour of need.... ::)...be it Hardwick, Hinkley or even Cambo, none of them have any expereince to draw on to guide this club , it's almost fanciful to think we could pluck an assistant and place such expectations on them :help
spot on :thumbsup
common sense is so simple to grasp, but it is amazing how many many ppl just dont have it
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After 30 years you would think people would realise there is no single one messiah to turnaround the Club. Sheeds' coaching days are over anyway. If they weren't he'd be still coaching Essendon. Even Melbourne knocked him back for Dean Bailey.
You want a hungry young coach with fresh ideas and credentials (successful lower level coaching and AFL assistant coaching experience) who the young (U23) players on our list can relate to. Next year we'll have one of if not the youngest list in the AFL with a number of the older blokes retiring/delisted. You want someone who is in it for the long term who will grow along with the team. Not a stop gap measure with an old coach and then restarting again in 2 years time with another new coach.
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After 30 years you would think people would realise there is no single one messiah to turnaround the Club. Sheeds' coaching days are over anyway. If they weren't he'd be still coaching Essendon. Even Melbourne knocked him back for Dean Bailey.
Bingo - We've been looking for a messiah for that long at it hasn't got us anywhere, we just go around in circles and then when things don't work out we sook, we moan and say it's to start again but we go back to the same plan that has failed us so many times
Sheeds isn't the answer. His time is has passed and age has nothing to do with it.
You want a hungry young coach with fresh ideas and credentials (successful lower level coaching and AFL assistant coaching experience) who the young (U23) players on our list can relate to. Next year we'll have one of if not the youngest list in the AFL with a number of the older blokes retiring/delisted. You want someone who is in it for the long term who will grow along with the team. Not a stop gap measure with an old coach and then restarting again in 2 years time with another new coach.
Exactly :clapping :clapping
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Three words to this thread.... Oh my God!!!
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Sheeds isn't the answer. His time is has passed and age has nothing to do with it.
It does have to do with age though. Sheeds is 62 this year. If the timeline for rebuilding is based on Geelong's, he'd be near enough 70 by the time a shot at a premiership came around. You have to wonder whether someone really wants to wait it out that long. It would be completely understandable if they wanted success sooner than that, too soon.
There is always the soccer argument where you have the likes of Alex Ferguson still coaching. But these guys basically coach and coach because they are still successful. Sheeds hasn't been succesful for 10 years, and unlike soccer where there are 3,4,5 trophies on offer a season in the AFL it is everyone going for the same prize. I'd like to know of a respected soccer coach > 60 who hasn't won anything for 10 years. The motivation just doesn't stick around.
In the NFL a couple of years back there was a sea change of younger coaches replacing a generation of older ones too.
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After 30 years you would think people would realise there is no single one messiah to turnaround the Club. Sheeds' coaching days are over anyway. If they weren't he'd be still coaching Essendon. Even Melbourne knocked him back for Dean Bailey.
WTF? You were touting Miller as the messiah not too long ago.
Or was that WP? Cant tell the difference between you guys these days. You've been married too long
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Sheeds isn't the answer. His time is has passed and age has nothing to do with it.
It does have to do with age though. Sheeds is 62 this year. If the timeline for rebuilding is based on Geelong's, he'd be near enough 70 by the time a shot at a premiership came around. You have to wonder whether someone really wants to wait it out that long. It would be completely understandable if they wanted success sooner than that, too soon.
There is always the soccer argument where you have the likes of Alex Ferguson still coaching. But these guys basically coach and coach because they are still successful. Sheeds hasn't been succesful for 10 years, and unlike soccer where there are 3,4,5 trophies on offer a season in the AFL it is everyone going for the same prize. I'd like to know of a respected soccer coach > 60 who hasn't won anything for 10 years. The motivation just doesn't stick around.
In the NFL a couple of years back there was a sea change of younger coaches replacing a generation of older ones too.
Ferguson is also a one club man. Stick him into the job at Newcastle and lets see what his coaching record will look like
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After 30 years you would think people would realise there is no single one messiah to turnaround the Club. Sheeds' coaching days are over anyway. If they weren't he'd be still coaching Essendon. Even Melbourne knocked him back for Dean Bailey.
WTF? You were touting Miller as the messiah not too long ago.
Or was that WP? Cant tell the difference between you guys these days. You've been married too long
Miller , yet another clown
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Sheeds isn't the answer. His time is has passed and age has nothing to do with it.
It does have to do with age though. Sheeds is 62 this year. If the timeline for rebuilding is based on Geelong's, he'd be near enough 70 by the time a shot at a premiership came around. You have to wonder whether someone really wants to wait it out that long. It would be completely understandable if they wanted success sooner than that, too soon.
There is always the soccer argument where you have the likes of Alex Ferguson still coaching. But these guys basically coach and coach because they are still successful. Sheeds hasn't been succesful for 10 years, and unlike soccer where there are 3,4,5 trophies on offer a season in the AFL it is everyone going for the same prize. I'd like to know of a respected soccer coach > 60 who hasn't won anything for 10 years. The motivation just doesn't stick around.
In the NFL a couple of years back there was a sea change of younger coaches replacing a generation of older ones too.
Ferguson is also a one club man. Stick him into the job at Newcastle and lets see what his coaching record will look like
He came to Man United in 1986 when they had not won a title in 19 years and were struggling in the mid to lower table. By 1991 they had won the FA Cup, League Cup and European Cup Winners Cup and European Super Cup. By 1993 he won the league and then reinvented the squad with home grown talent by 1996 that went on to win a double and eventually the Champions League in 1999. Ferguson would do wonders at Newcastle as he would get rid of the board room crap that has left them with no domestic silverware since 1927 and get the team playing team soccer not individualistic soccer which could see them relegated this time tomorrow night, but I can see the parrallels with Newcastle and Richmond and the aura of both clubs and the way they forever disappoint their fans.
By the way Malthouse should be our next coach. Not Sheedy.
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After 30 years you would think people would realise there is no single one messiah to turnaround the Club. Sheeds' coaching days are over anyway. If they weren't he'd be still coaching Essendon. Even Melbourne knocked him back for Dean Bailey.
WTF? You were touting Miller as the messiah not too long ago.
Or was that WP? Cant tell the difference between you guys these days. You've been married too long
Good bloke. Respect 1980, brings everything to this forum, takes nothing and acknowledges those who make it a worthwhile read. Top bloke.
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Sheeds isn't the answer. His time is has passed and age has nothing to do with it.
It does have to do with age though. Sheeds is 62 this year. If the timeline for rebuilding is based on Geelong's, he'd be near enough 70 by the time a shot at a premiership came around. You have to wonder whether someone really wants to wait it out that long. It would be completely understandable if they wanted success sooner than that, too soon.
There is always the soccer argument where you have the likes of Alex Ferguson still coaching. But these guys basically coach and coach because they are still successful. Sheeds hasn't been succesful for 10 years, and unlike soccer where there are 3,4,5 trophies on offer a season in the AFL it is everyone going for the same prize. I'd like to know of a respected soccer coach > 60 who hasn't won anything for 10 years. The motivation just doesn't stick around.
In the NFL a couple of years back there was a sea change of younger coaches replacing a generation of older ones too.
Ferguson is also a one club man. Stick him into the job at Newcastle and lets see what his coaching record will look like
He came to Man United in 1986 when they had not won a title in 19 years and were struggling in the mid to lower table. By 1991 they had won the FA Cup, League Cup and European Cup Winners Cup and European Super Cup. By 1993 he won the league and then reinvented the squad with home grown talent by 1996 that went on to win a double and eventually the Champions League in 1999. Ferguson would do wonders at Newcastle as he would get rid of the board room crap that has left them with no domestic silverware since 1927 and get the team playing team soccer not individualistic soccer which could see them relegated this time tomorrow night, but I can see the parrallels with Newcastle and Richmond and the aura of both clubs and the way they forever disappoint their fans.
By the way Malthouse should be our next coach. Not Sheedy.
Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me?
He was a young man when he went to Utd and it took him 7 years to win a title. As a 67 year old he would struggle to make another club a success, especially one at the other end of the table. Its a good comparison for Sheedy
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Why do we have to settle for coaches after they've passed their peak?
Sheedy & Malthouse haven't won anything in over what 9 years now, RFC shouldn't be a retirement village where coaches come to boost their super fund
Time for a highly credentialled young assistant who has no Richmond connections, pulls no punches and comes from recent success in modern football. I just hope the process to hire him is comprehensive and doesn't end up like our attempt to head hunt our new Football Manager. That will just mean a new internal promotion and our club may as well just shut up shop then.
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Sheeds isn't the answer. His time is has passed and age has nothing to do with it.
It does have to do with age though. Sheeds is 62 this year. If the timeline for rebuilding is based on Geelong's, he'd be near enough 70 by the time a shot at a premiership came around. You have to wonder whether someone really wants to wait it out that long. It would be completely understandable if they wanted success sooner than that, too soon.
There is always the soccer argument where you have the likes of Alex Ferguson still coaching. But these guys basically coach and coach because they are still successful. Sheeds hasn't been succesful for 10 years, and unlike soccer where there are 3,4,5 trophies on offer a season in the AFL it is everyone going for the same prize. I'd like to know of a respected soccer coach > 60 who hasn't won anything for 10 years. The motivation just doesn't stick around.
In the NFL a couple of years back there was a sea change of younger coaches replacing a generation of older ones too.
Ferguson is also a one club man. Stick him into the job at Newcastle and lets see what his coaching record will look like
He came to Man United in 1986 when they had not won a title in 19 years and were struggling in the mid to lower table. By 1991 they had won the FA Cup, League Cup and European Cup Winners Cup and European Super Cup. By 1993 he won the league and then reinvented the squad with home grown talent by 1996 that went on to win a double and eventually the Champions League in 1999. Ferguson would do wonders at Newcastle as he would get rid of the board room crap that has left them with no domestic silverware since 1927 and get the team playing team soccer not individualistic soccer which could see them relegated this time tomorrow night, but I can see the parrallels with Newcastle and Richmond and the aura of both clubs and the way they forever disappoint their fans.
By the way Malthouse should be our next coach. Not Sheedy.
Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me?
He was a young man when he went to Utd and it took him 7 years to win a title. As a 67 year old he would struggle to make another club a success, especially one at the other end of the table. Its a good comparison for Sheedy
Agreeing :thumbsup
Got caught up in the comparison but you are right. Sheeds will have had 3 seasons out of the game. Although Bobby Robson recently was in his 70's and coaching Newcastle. Nevertheless you raise some clear and valid points. :cheers
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Sheedy right for Tigers - Watson
Finn Bradshaw | May 25, 2009 12:15pm
TIM Watson has called for Richmond to appoint Kevin Sheedy as coach for the rest of the season.
Watson – who played under Sheedy at Essendon – said on his radio show on SEN that the Tigers needed the combination of experience and marketing nous that the former Bombers coach could deliver.
“Richmond now, in my opinion, should be talking to Kevin Sheedy,” the former Saints coach said.
“He’s in marketing (Sheedy is employed by the Tigers in a marketing role). This is now a marketing exercise. (Richmond should) convince him to take the job for the rest of the year.
“The club needs a big Richmond figure involved. They won’t win the flag this year, probably won’t make the finals. They need to be stabilised and need to be energised. Sheedy can do that. He can coach for their future. He will draw a line in the sand, I know the bloke, and he will have the respect of everyone at that footy club.”
Should Richmond appoint Sheedy? Have your say below.
Watson said it was clear that Wallace’s time at the club was nearing its end, and Richmond needed to act now.
“Richmond needs to do an about face. Forget the mid-year review. Terry’s time at the Richmond footy club is finished. He wears it, it’s etched on his face. It’s etched on the players’ body language. That’s sad for Terry, sad for his family, sad for everyone involved in the Wallace family, but that is the business of AFL coaching.”
Wallace is in the final year of a five-year contract and had come under increasing pressure after the Tigers stared the season 1-8 and sit 15th on the ladder.
The club has maintained throughout the season it would not make a decision on Wallace’s future until it had completed a review at the mid-year mark.
http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,25533995-5016212,00.html
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Oh dear - Sheeds is not the answer in the coaches box for RFC.
15 years ago after Northey move on yes - but not now.
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sheedy's time was up at ESS yes, after 27 yrs , it's reasonable to suggest the chap could be up for a new challenge :-\...and for those quick to slander the carcu of a playing list he left...well here this folks...they're 5-4 with .90% of the team recruited during sheeds time... so stick that in your pipes and smoke it... ???
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Gee it didn't take long for this crap to re-surface did it. Lets start a new one off....... Ronald McDonald for coach, we may as well look at him if we even contemplate Sheedy... ::)
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Watson knows all about being replaced mid-season by a premiership coach ;D
My memory is hazy, but wasn't Blight on the radar well before Watson got the boot? If so, maybe Watson needs to show a bit more class.
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maybe i am timmy watson :lol :scream
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what a laugh you clowns comparing AFL coaches to EPL Managers :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
next you be comparing AFL players to World cup Soccer players :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Well Sheeds believes Freo trading two picks away for Dean Solomon was the right thing to do :-X ....
Fremantle’s decision to secure Dean Solomon was not only brave, but correct, according to the man who engineered the veteran’s move away from Essendon.
Four-time premiership coach Kevin Sheedy said the Dockers and coach Mark Harvey were to be congratulated for taking a punt on Solomon, stating every club needed players like him to experience success.
Having struggled with discipline and form at stages throughout 2006, Solomon was traded by Sheedy to Fremantle for selections 42 and 47 in that year’s national draft, in which the Bombers acquired Bachar Houli and Kyle Reimers.
The Dockers also received pick No. 52 from the Bombers.
“We got two late draft choices for trading him out and they’re going OK, but I think Fremantle are in front at the moment. It takes time, four or five years, to develop kids,” Sheedy said.
http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=4&ContentID=143904
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He has to be kidding himself doesn't he?
Houli & Reimers will be quality players and Solomon is a hack
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He giving us a message(boast), sometimes you have to give up something of value to get something of value
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Several rumours about Leigh Matthews on other sites. Id prefer Matthews over Sheedy and Malthouse if we go experienced.
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Like I said I would prefer Ronald McDonald over both of them. When are the supporters and the club and the media going to move on from the coaches that have had their day, with all due respect. I would only be prepared as a supporter if we had to take an older coach to take Malthouse as I believe he is the only older current serving Coach that could still take us further. But thats my opinion.
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Several rumours about Leigh Matthews on other sites. Id prefer Matthews over Sheedy and Malthouse if we go experienced.
Who was another 4 time premiership coach that gave RFC a year and exited cos of the in-fighting ?
Deja Vu all over again.
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Kevin Sheedy too busy to coach
Jackie Epstein | May 27, 2009
KEVIN Sheedy has scoffed at suggestions he will coach Richmond should Terry Wallace be axed.
Two prominent former Essendon stars, Tim Watson and James Hird, have said Sheedy would accept an interim coaching role.
But Sheedy, the AFL Coaches' Association president, said he would be too busy with work commitments to take on the top job at Punt Rd.
"I am booked out," he said.
"I've never spoken to anybody at Richmond about any part of coaching.
"Most people in the AFL would say Richmond should pick a young coach. I couldn't step in at the moment."
Sheedy has maintained a strong stance on loyalty, saying Richmond should honour Wallace's contract.
He has taken a role in marketing and membership with the Tigers and helped Ben Cousins before he was drafted to the club.
Sheedy declared pre-season that Richmond, which has had just one victory so far, could win the premiership.
He was coy when pressed about his desire to coach again.
"I've got that many commitments that I'd feel I'd let a lot of people down right now," Sheedy said.
"I've built up a terrific business and I'm basically working my career up at the moment with books and guest speaking.
"When Melbourne don't want to talk to you, that's about the end of it.
"Maybe Melbourne did me a favour not letting me win a wooden spoon or two."
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25543903-19742,00.html
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i think kevin is using his deflection tactics again, he ws the master at deflecting what is happening
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anyone who thinks Leigh matthews would take the job on for 1 year then walk dont know poo
guys a legend & a sort of coach that would sort all the rubbish out down there
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sheedy caretake , matthews 3yr contract. Matthews, hardest nut in football-proven record is what we need. Imagine some young keen 1st time coach try and get something out of us right now. Dreaming!
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After 30 years you would think people would realise there is no single one messiah to turnaround the Club. Sheeds' coaching days are over anyway. If they weren't he'd be still coaching Essendon. Even Melbourne knocked him back for Dean Bailey..
gee thats a killer point MT, what with a fella that currently has a 12% win/loss record, has since proved to be a marvelous decision ::)
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After 30 years you would think people would realise there is no single one messiah to turnaround the Club. Sheeds' coaching days are over anyway. If they weren't he'd be still coaching Essendon. Even Melbourne knocked him back for Dean Bailey..
gee thats a killer point MT, what with a fella that currently has a 12% win/loss record, has since proved to be a marvelous decision ::)
check mate
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I really don't know what to think, I am just so fucen sick of it all.
When is it ever going to end :banghead
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Legend Sheedy won't play kingmaker
MICHELANGELO RUCCI, CHIEF FOOTBALL WRITER | June 03, 2009
KEVIN Sheedy expects to play no part in deciding Richmond's next coach.
And he has no regret in playing the critical role in luring Brownlow Medallist Ben Cousins to the Tigers, insisting the troubled midfielder will contribute to Richmond's revival for the next three years.
Sheedy yesterday put himself out of contention to serve as the Tigers' interim coach - to replace Terry Wallace after Friday's clash with the Western Bulldogs - or for the sub-committee to appoint his successor.
But Sheedy advised Richmond's eventual head-hunters against limiting its candidates for Wallace's replacement along the great divide between an experienced coach or a novice such as Hawthorn assistant coach Damien Hardwick.
"It doesn't matter - get the person who will be a great coach," said Sheedy. "And that person is hard to find."
Sheedy, who was a novice when he took charge of Essendon in 1981 and set up a four-premiership dynasty at Windy Hill, yesterday dismissed his immediate return to the coaching ranks.
"My job at Richmond is to help the club grow its membership and marketing - not its football operations," Sheedy said at Alberton yesterday when he worked this role for the financially troubled Port Adelaide.
"And I doubt I will be asked to take on any part in Richmond's football operations now."
Sheedy left the door open for an unlikely call to Richmond's coaching box next season - but not before.
"I've had a good break," said Sheedy, who last year had his first winter out of coaching since ending a 27-season tenure at Essendon. "I needed one.
"But now my focus at Richmond is in the corporate operations. There, we certainly have got better. Membership is up.
"If you can't win a premiership, how else can you help a club? What I am doing now for Richmond is of more value than being a (caretaker) coach."
Sheedy yesterday continued his mentoring of Port Adelaide premiership coach Mark Williams - one of his former assistants, at Essendon, and a contender for the Tigers' vacancy if his contract is not renewed at Alberton at season's end.
He joined the public campaigning by the Power players to keep Williams at Alberton questioning where Port would find a better qualified coach.
Sheedy's major revelation yesterday was his account of how he went to Perth to inspire Cousins' return from football's wilderness.
"I found a Ben Cousins who was full of attitude because 16 clubs had ignored him in the draft last November," Sheedy said. "I told him to lose the attitude - and to understand no-one cared about him (east of Perth). He needed to sell himself."
Sheedy said he then put Cousins on a mobile telephone call to Wallace, opening the door for the former West Coast captain to be claimed by Richmond.
This ended the year-long exile forced upon Cousins by the AFL for his bringing the game into disrepute.
"Richmond has gained 7000 new members and Ben was among the club's best players against Port Adelaide and last week against Fremantle," Sheedy said. "Ben's best will be seen next year. He has two more good years in him. He is a player who can get Richmond to finals.
"If Ben had not played again it would have amounted to him getting life - that is not fair, totally unfair. It compares to Dawn Fraser getting life for pinching a flag (at the Olympics)."
http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/sport/afl/story/0,26547,25578827-5016212,00.html
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KB has spent the past 30mins pumping up Sheeds as the only man for the job. Saying the 18 month break has done Sheeds the world of good and he'll want to do it. The Club need a shake-up and Sheeds is there staring the club in the face who can do it. Basically stuff the interviews and process and just appoint Sheeds as coach.
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i thought sheedy didnt wanna coach
but if he does, kb is right
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A month ago or so KB wanted Malthouse because he was the only man for the job and the best credentialled ???. Sheedy's days as coach are over.
The old past players spruiking their old teammates again ::) :sleep
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I want Paul Roos now.
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KB probably wants to play forward pocket for Richmond again too but it aint gonna happen.
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I want Paul Roos now.
i wish , now that would be fantastic but i dont think roos will coach again after he is done at the swans
come to think of it, the rfc is doomed , we are stuffed
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Sheeds wants Sheeds as coach
http://supercoach.heraldsun.com.au/?p=index#
EXCLUSIVE: KEVIN Sheedy has given the strongest indication yet that he would consider coaching Richmond next year.
Writing on his regular SuperFooty blog, Sheedy said he would talk to the Tigers if they approached him.
“You would always talk to the Tigers if they asked you. I heard Kevin (Barlett) pumped me up this morning on radio … . He knows where I come from. It's good to have a rest for a year and rejuvenate yourself.”
The former Essendon coach said he felt his record at Windy Hill made him a strong candidate.
“Look, at a pinch I couldn't do any worse. I don't apologise for averaging 14 wins a year for the last 27 years,” Sheedy said.
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lmao-god love her! :lol
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Thats almost quote of the year material....."Look at a pinch I couldn't do any worse"
Good on ya Sheeds
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A month ago or so KB wanted Malthouse because he was the only man for the job and the best credentialled ???. Sheedy's days as coach are over.
The old past players spruiking their old teammates again ::) :sleep
Stay tuned ;)
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Sheeds for two years with Campbell and Buckley as assistants.
I could live with that but...
It will never happen.
:thumbsup
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Sheeds for two years with Campbell and Buckley as assistants.
I could live with that but...
It will never happen.
:thumbsup
It might, plan mooted is that the Assistants take the match day etc . Sheeds oversees it.. might work
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Sheeds for two years with Campbell and Buckley as assistants.
I could live with that but...
It will never happen.
:thumbsup
It might, plan mooted is that the Assistants take the match day etc . Sheeds oversees it.. might work
A 2 year job interview.
Hmmm.
2 years might see Malthouse out as well.
Could just work out ok but...
It will never happen.
One of Jack's wet dreams methinks.
:help
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who would sheedy work with in this coaching arrangement
campbell/hardwick/hird/buckley?
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who would sheedy work with in this coaching arrangement
campbell/hardwick/hird/buckley?
There is no way on earth I could picture either Buckley or Hardwick working subordinately to Sheedy. Buckley because he is too much his own man and Hardwick because he has already done his apprenticeship and will now have his own firm set of ideas. Hird might out of respect but I think he is a bit too much like Buckley. Campbell probably would.
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aah sheeds thats old chestnut. forget it aint gonna happen and to be honest IMO that horse has bolted.
We need to create our own history find out own coach and not settle for second best. Not saying he is second best but we need to search far and wide to find our saviour.
I cant tell you what a kick in the guts it is watching Knighter coach those scumbags particulary in front of 95k on Friday night.
That is gonna sting let me tell ya.
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aah sheeds thats old chestnut. forget it aint gonna happen and to be honest IMO that horse has bolted.
We need to create our own history find out own coach and not settle for second best. Not saying he is second best but we need to search far and wide to find our saviour.
:clapping :clapping :clapping
:thumbsup
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Enjoy your retirement Sheeds.
NO from me.
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The more i think about it the more there is no way we should touch Sheeds with a 10 foot pole.
He had the chance to come back when we poached him and now all of a sudden when he is on the scrapheap there is talk of a return.
Nice guy and much respect but dont come near us we dont need you.
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I think he would make a great mentor to Bucks or Hardwick
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Legend calls for Sheeds to coach
Jesse Hogan | July 2, 2009
KEVIN Bartlett has urged Richmond to scrap its methodical search for a new coach because the obvious candidate "is staring them in the face" — his fellow Tigers legend, Kevin Sheedy.
In an impassioned plea on his SEN radio show, Bartlett yesterday insisted the Tigers "don't need to embarrass themselves by asking Sheeds for a PowerPoint presentation on how he intends to coach" and should instead plead for the former Essendon coach to be Terry Wallace's successor.
"I thought after his record reign at Windy Hill he would have had enough. I was wrong. Eighteen months on the sidelines being an ambassador for the AFL has refreshed the great coach," Bartlett said.
"Richmond supporters have waited a long time for Kevin Sheedy to come back to Tigerland. His appointment would reinvigorate a club that has been on its knees for far too long. Confidence would instantly be restored. No assistant coach waiting in the wings can bring to the table what Sheedy can: experience, credibility and 27 years of being in the heat of the kitchen."
Sheedy later used his blog to confirm his interest in the Richmond coaching position. "Look, at a pinch I couldn't do any worse. I don't apologise for averaging 14 wins a year for the last 27 years," Sheedy said. "You would always talk to the Tigers if they asked you."
Applications for the Richmond coaching job officially close tomorrow.
Bartlett exiled himself from the club for 16 years after he was sacked as coach in 1981 but said he was prepared to make a more formal return to the club if Sheedy was appointed Richmond coach.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/legend-calls-for-sheeds-to-coach/2009/07/01/1246127579808.html
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Kevin Sheedy confirms he wants to coach Richmond Tigers
Jackie Epstein | July 02, 2009
EXCLUSIVE: KEVIN Sheedy has put up his hand to coach Richmond and drag the Tigers off the bottom. He decided to act after watching his beloved Tigers being thrashed by St Kilda on Sunday.
"I don't like seeing Richmond down on the bottom for 25 years," the master coach told the Herald Sun.
"I can coach and I want to coach Richmond. How much more do the Tigers need to suffer?"
Tiger greats including Tom Hafey, Kevin Bartlett and Francis Bourke all backed Sheedy.
Sheedy played 251 games with Richmond from 1967-79, winning three premierships, and coached Essendon to four flags in 27 years.
"You can't waste the knowledge and experience just because you and Essendon were tired of each other," Sheedy said.
"It doesn't just walk out of your brain. I can coach and I want to coach Richmond. How much more do the Tigers need to suffer?"
Hafey said Sheedy, who coached 635 games at Essendon and won four premierships, could be the club's saviour.
Bartlett launched a campaign on his SEN radio show to lift Sheedy into the job.
He said it was a no-brainer for the club and hoped the Richmond faithful would get behind the move.
"He's revitalised, he's fresh and the Tigers need him badly," Bartlett said.
"They would be silly not to appoint Kevin Sheedy as coach. They would be throwing away the chance of a lifetime. I'd help in any way I possibly could and that would be the same with anyone associated with the club. He has received massive support. Everyone's saying we'll get 50,000 members if we sign Sheeds."
Sheedy played 251 games with Richmond from 1967-79 and won three premierships.
Applicants for the coaching job have been asked to apply by tomorrow.
"I don't think Leigh Matthews and Kevin Sheedy will be applying, I think they'll be rung up," Sheedy said.
"If Richmond come and talk to me then I will feel it's an insult to the fans if I don't listen. By the age of 70 I can say: 'Well, I did put my hand up to coach Richmond, that's the least I did'. I can sit down with all my teammates and say I did it, whether I get it or not."
The Richmond job was put up for grabs after Terry Wallace quit last month.
Richmond declined to comment specifically on Sheedy yesterday but did not rule out appointing an experienced coach.
"We are happy to talk to anyone who is interested in the coaching position," said Tigers general manager of football Craig Cameron.
When told that Sheedy had declared his interest, Hafey said: "Thank goodness for that. If everyone in the world was available you would go with Sheedy. If he's interested, that's it, there wouldn't even be an interview. We've got to get a strong coach who can get the best out of those boys. This would be a saviour for the Tigers."
Bourke likes caretaker coach Jade Rawlings, but said he was inclined to back Sheedy: "Kevin Sheedy and Richmond, it's a natural fit," he said.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25719953-19742,00.html
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Tiger army moves to install Kevin Sheedy as coach
Mike Sheahan | July 02, 2009
THE campaign to install Kevin Sheedy in the coach's office at Punt Rd is off and running.
It was launched yesterday on Melbourne radio by Sheedy's close friend and long-time Richmond teammate and club legend Kevin Bartlett.
Make no mistake, Bartlett, an SEN presenter, has embarked on a program designed to mobilise people power to force Richmond's hand.
He said the club's best choice for its coaching vacancy from next year was staring it in the face: three-time premiership player, former captain, four-time premiership coach at Essendon, current Richmond ambassador, K. Sheedy.
Sheedy finally has stopped playing games on the subject.
He sees himself ready to coach again after nearly two years out.
He believes he still has much to offer.
He wants to coach Richmond.
While Richmond president Gary March virtually dismissed Sheedy in recent weeks as both a caretaker coach and long-term contender, the club's coaching sub-committee might be more open-minded.
At least one sub-committee member, basketball legend and former Melbourne Tigers coach Lindsay Gaze, certainly won't see him as too old.
While Sheedy will turn 62 before the end of the year, Gaze coached until he was 68.
Sheedy's supporters will also point to two of the great team coaches in world sport - Sir Alex Ferguson (Manchester United) and Guus Hiddink (a successful coach of several national teams including the Socceroos).
Ferguson is 67, Hiddink, 62.
Sheedy's critics, though, will trot out the great Ron Barassi as an example.
The four-time premiership coach was 45 when he made his ill-fated return to Melbourne as coach in 1981; 57 when he was coaxed into another comeback by Sydney in 1993.
He won 34 of 111 games at Melbourne, 13 of 59 with the Swans.
Barassi, though, was reluctant in both cases.
Sheedy isn't. He looks renewed; Bartlett says he has the passion and hunger back.
While Leigh Matthews would need his arm twisted up his back, and for a long time, to return to coaching, Sheeds would snatch a fresh opportunity.
Preferably Richmond, then any club keen to avail itself of his experience and energy.
Bartlett and his supporters will cite Sheedy's record and his massive value as a membership and marketing tool.
It is believed both men were stunned by Richmond's incompetence after quarter-time against St Kilda on Sunday, deciding things needed to change at their old club, and they needed to get involved.
The odds are against him, but Bartlett and his supporters are turning the heat up on the March administration.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25720350-19742,00.html
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sheeds was rejected from the demon job,
he will not be considered for the north job
All of a sudden he wantd to coach the tigers.
No way, where were you sheeds when we needed you for 25 yrs, and you used us to get more money from the bombers. pee off back to your retirement home :banghead
sheeds coaching richmond wont happen, he is washed up, finished
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You've got to love the comments to forget about the interview process. Just more of the same old ridiculousness from the same olds.
The last 5 flags have been won by 5 different first time younger senior coaches. If the Saints win it this year it'll be six. Yep having a younger coach with fresh ideas who our young list would relate to more is suddenly a bad thing ???. All this talk is the old guard looking after their old guard mates who are past it. It's not the 60s/70s anymore fellas :sleep
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sheeds was rejected from the demon job,
he will not be considered for the north job
All of a sudden he wantd to coach the tigers.
No way, where were you sheeds when we needed you for 25 yrs, and you used us to get more money from the bombers. pee off back to your retirement home :banghead
sheeds coaching richmond wont happen, he is washed up, finished
I agree that we shouldnt get sheedy but I think this is all over. Richmond supporters will fall in behind KB and the campaign to get Sheedy to Richmond. There is no process. IMHO this is all over Kevin Sheedy will be coaching Richmond in 2010. The campaign will get ramped up and we all know what happens when our supporters feel emotional about something ie. Ben Cousins.
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I think he would make a great mentor to Bucks or Hardwick
I actually think that of all the 1st time coaching applicants these would be the 2 most likely to not seek or require Sheedy's guidance. Buckley because he is too much his own man and Hardwick because he has done his apprenticeship and will now have his own firm ideas on what he wants to do and how he wants to do it.
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IMHO this is all over Kevin Sheedy will be coaching Richmond in 2010[/b]. The campaign will get ramped up and we all know what happens when our supporters feel emotional about something ie. Ben Cousins.
Agree. It's like blokes, they just think with their dicks, not their heads.
Heaven help us if it is Sheedy on his own.
If he's coming, I'd rather he was there as a mentor and nothing else :banghead
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If Kevin Sheedy hasnt been categorically ruled out by tomorrow night - Friday (at the latest) then he is odds on favorite. KB has started the ball rolling, watch other past legends come out in support, the the sheedy devotees will start ringing up talkback on SEN and 3AW by saturday afternoon this will be the biggest story in town. For those wanting Sheedy the timing has been brilliant. If he isnt ruled out in the next 48 hours the media, the supporters and anybody else who has an interest will get in behind Sheedy being the coach. And to be honest I cant see Gary March ruling sheedy out. The club will come out and say they will follow the process, the process will run for about 2 months and Kevin Sheedy will be officially appointed coach. Its all over.
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If Kevin Sheedy hasnt been categorically ruled out by tomorrow night - Friday (at the latest) then he is odds on favorite. KB has started the ball rolling, watch other past legends come out in support, the the sheedy devotees will start ringing up talkback on SEN and 3AW by saturday afternoon this will be the biggest story in town. For those wanting Sheedy the timing has been brilliant. If he isnt ruled out in the next 48 hours the media, the supporters and anybody else who has an interest will get in behind Sheedy being the coach. And to be honest I cant see Gary March ruling sheedy out. The club will come out and say they will follow the process, the process will run for about 2 months and Kevin Sheedy will be officially appointed coach. Its all over.
No doubt.
We haven't done much right in the past 28 years or so, why should our next move be anything different :help
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Agree. It's like blokes, they just think with their dicks, not their heads.
You just went down several points in my estimation.
:lol
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Agree. It's like blokes, they just think with their dicks, not their heads.
You just went down several points in my estimation.
:lol
Care factor?
It's true though, Richmond supporters love a love story.
Sheeds, Nathan Brown, Sheeds, Ben Cousins, Sheeds.... et al
:banghead
Hasn't got us a premiership yet, but keep plugging away, we might get it right eventually ::)
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The Kevin Sheedy to Richmond CAMPAIGN is now in full swing, SEN running rampant this morning. And its only the beginning.
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Agree. It's like blokes, they just think with their dicks, not their heads.
You just went down several points in my estimation.
:lol
Care factor?
It's true though, Richmond supporters love a love story.
Sheeds, Nathan Brown, Sheeds, Ben Cousins, Sheeds.... et al
:banghead
Hasn't got us a premiership yet, but keep plugging away, we might get it right eventually ::)
My joke was too subtle or is it too early in the morning?
:thumbsup
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My joke was too subtle or is it too early in the morning?
:thumbsup
Yes, too early.
I should be in bed, but I'm sitting here working and very grumpy
Look out anyone in my way today lol
Sorry 1965 :-*
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Well at least it will only be a 2-year deal.
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Heard Tommy Hafey on SEN this morning jsut after 7.00am
He said that the RFC "shouldn't insult him (Sheedy) by asking him to do a presentation, they should just appoint him"
Please give me a break :banghead
No one, not Sheedy, Buckley, Hardwick or even the Pope should be excused from going through the process the club has put in place
I think it is pretty poor form to try and conduct your application via the media and mates in the media.
Sheedy has had plenty of opportunities to come back and coach the RFC the last 5 years ago and he chose not to.
I don't think he is the right fit for the Club now but what do I know....
As for all the "legends" backing him.... it may seduce a few but it doesn't inspire me ;D
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As for all the "legends" backing him.... it may seduce a few but it doesn't inspire me ;D
Excuse my ignorance but are you a RFC legend?
???
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Heard Tommy Hafey on SEN this morning jsut after 7.00am
He said that the RFC "shouldn't insult him (Sheedy) by asking him to do a presentation, they should just appoint him"
Please give me a break :banghead
No one, not Sheedy, Buckley, Hardwick or even the Pope should be excused from going through the process the club has put in place
I think it is pretty poor form to try and conduct your application via the media and mates in the media.
Sheedy has had plenty of opportunities to come back and coach the RFC the last 5 years ago and he chose not to.
I don't think he is the right fit for the Club now but what do I know....
As for all the "legends" backing him.... it may seduce a few but it doesn't inspire me ;D
Well, they're entitled to their opinions, but the problem is it will carry a lot of weight
I just ask for a proper process :banghead
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sheeds was rejected from the demon job,
he will not be considered for the north job
All of a sudden he wantd to coach the tigers.
No way, where were you sheeds when we needed you for 25 yrs, and you used us to get more money from the bombers. pee off back to your retirement home :banghead
sheeds coaching richmond wont happen, he is washed up, finished
I agree that we shouldnt get sheedy but I think this is all over. Richmond supporters will fall in behind KB and the campaign to get Sheedy to Richmond. There is no process. IMHO this is all over Kevin Sheedy will be coaching Richmond in 2010. The campaign will get ramped up and we all know what happens when our supporters feel emotional about something ie. Ben Cousins.
thats why we are a rabble and will continue to be so
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any bookies running a market on our new coach? please tell us ... money for jam at this stage. Sheedy will get the gig. Everyone will pretend theres been a process but IMHO the decision is what it is. Its not right but its how it is. The best we can hope for is that Sheedy surrounds himself with young coaches with serious ambition.
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Balme - Football Director
Sheedy - Senior coach
Bourke, Barrett & Clay - Midfield line coaches
Royce Hart - Forward line coach
Jim Jess - Defensive Line Coach
Steven Mount - Reserves Coach
KB - Media Manager
Rex Hunt - Player Development
Geoff Raines - Player Deportment and Skills coach, assisted by Robbie McGhie
Maurice Rioli - Indigenous Integration
Bruce Monteath - Interchange Steward
Mike Green - Legal
Rob Wiley - Runner
Ricky McClean - Strength and Conditioning
Brian Roberts - Medical
C'mon Tiges, you can do it! :cheers
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Blaisee earlier you said this
sheeds coaching richmond wont happen, he is washed up, finished
Now this in response to Ramps saying he thinks it could be done and dusted due to supporter sentiment
thats why we are a rabble and will continue to be so
Do you think the board will be unable to resist the supporter sentiment now that all the legends are on board?
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Francis Bourke also named as a supporter of the Sheedy to Richmond campaign by SEN.
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A month ago or so KB wanted Malthouse because he was the only man for the job and the best credentialled ???. Sheedy's days as coach are over.
The old past players spruiking their old teammates again ::) :sleep
Stay tuned ;)
Jacko is the new Reuters of the RFC :gotigers
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Do you think the board will be unable to resist the supporter sentiment now that all the legends are on board?
Of course not. The board have been pandering to back room supporters for the last couple of years.
They will get what they want :banghead
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sensational stuff right here ;D
http://www.aquamax.com.au/
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Excuse my ignorance but are you a RFC legend?
???
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Errrr no I am not
My point was: all these Club legends coming out and supporting Sheeds, may seduce (appeal) to some people but it doesn't inspire me to think suddenly Sheedy should be appointed RFC coach.
Is that clearer now :thumbsup
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Blaisee earlier you said this
sheeds coaching richmond wont happen, he is washed up, finished
Now this in response to Ramps saying he thinks it could be done and dusted due to supporter sentiment
thats why we are a rabble and will continue to be so
Do you think the board will be unable to resist the supporter sentiment now that all the legends are on board?
It would go against everything they are trying to achieve, and i would be extremely suprised and it would be a huge mistake IMHO, but ...... I wouldnt rule it out.
It is an open secret in the AFL that the past players association of the RFC runs the club. Its a disgrace.
Sheedy is finished and the other 15 afl clubs know it, lets all hope the rfc know it too.
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I really see this tiny hail stone gatering mementum and turning into an avalanche, just like the Cuz snow ball. Look if we get Sheeds so be it, let's face it he does have the talent and he is proven, he is also the best market face for our club.
I was dead set on youth but hey what the heck, he still has the passion, he would be back home and I don't think Essendon would beat us again....
He has some huge alies at the moment with; Bartlett (who mentioned he would support Sheeds at the club, so expect to see him in the rooms), Hafey, Hird, Bourke etc...
This is where I can see the "process" being followed and Sheedy given the job anyway, or the hoards will rise on the command of Bartlett and co, march down to the RFC headquaters and demand it happen, ala Cuz.
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we dont have an issue at the RFc with marketing our club, so i see no reason why they would go for Sheeds.
If he is recruited to the top job because he is the best out there, then so be it but i doubt he is.
he is a washed up ex player who stuffed us off for 25 years. BANG!!!!
Enough said!!!
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Always interesting to find ot the sentiment on this site, as i do think its only the hard line richmond supporter's that post. I can't think of a problem with Sheedy taking over as coach next year. He would not take the job if he didnt think we could be succesful in the next five years and at this point i'll take that. 2 years out of the game and has got the passion back & he loves the club as much as any one. I think a combination of Sheedy and Hardwick/Brad Scott type in an assistant role would bring the best of both worlds.
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sheeds was rejected from the demon job,
he will not be considered for the north job
All of a sudden he wantd to coach the tigers.
No way, where were you sheeds when we needed you for 25 yrs, and you used us to get more money from the bombers. pee off back to your retirement home :banghead
sheeds coaching richmond wont happen, he is washed up, finished
Stay tuned , he aint washed up.
They will have a completely different structure to the other clubs in the AFL.
Cant wait for a few on here to go off the head when he gets the job.
It would be a great opportunity to develop a future coach in say 2 -3 years to take over, Have no problems with Kevin overseeing the process.
And as for a few here who posted what a mess he left Essendon in, you have no idea. :banghead
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Always interesting to find ot the sentiment on this site, as i do think its only the hard line richmond supporter's that post. I can't think of a problem with Sheedy taking over as coach next year. He would not take the job if he didnt think we could be succesful in the next five years and at this point i'll take that. 2 years out of the game and has got the passion back & he loves the club as much as any one. I think a combination of Sheedy and Hardwick/Brad Scott type in an assistant role would bring the best of both worlds.
your on the money :thumbsup. wont be Hardwick or Scott though ;)
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Always interesting to find ot the sentiment on this site, as i do think its only the hard line richmond supporter's that post. I can't think of a problem with Sheedy taking over as coach next year. He would not take the job if he didnt think we could be succesful in the next five years and at this point i'll take that. 2 years out of the game and has got the passion back & he loves the club as much as any one. I think a combination of Sheedy and Hardwick/Brad Scott type in an assistant role would bring the best of both worlds.
your on the money :thumbsup. wont be Hardwick or Scott though ;)
Cambo or Hird?
Please not Buckley.
Maybe Ashley Prescott as a smokey. Didn't he win the Claremomt Tigers two flags?
:thumbsup
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Its either Campbell or Hird. The Sheedy Hird combo rumour was around weeks ago, infact I think I first posted it on here ... although I think that its more likely to be Sheedy Campbell rather than Sheedy Hird.
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Its either Campbell or Hird. The Sheedy Hird combo rumour was around weeks ago, infact I think I first posted it on here ... although I think that its more likely to be Sheedy Campbell rather than Sheedy Hird.
What makes you think Hird needs Sheedy's help to become a senior coach? Its much more likely the other way around!
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Hird doesnt need anyones help rather because he is busy with his management consultancy business and his family he may want to an easier entry point to coaching and being under Sheedys wing for 2 years may seem a good solution for him. Basically it buys him more time whilst giving him the necessary experience required to coach. In the end however I think its more likely that Campbell is going to be the successor.
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we dont have an issue at the RFc with marketing our club, so i see no reason why they would go for Sheeds.
If he is recruited to the top job because he is the best out there, then so be it but i doubt he is.
he is a washed up ex player who stuffed us off for 25 years. BANG!!!!
Enough said!!!
Well looks like your not getting much support........ yet again......... BANG......BANG!!!! and we only have no problem at the club regarding marketing THIS YEAR becuase Cuz is there.
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Sheeds and Hird arent as close as the media makes out.
It wont be a Sheedy /Hird combination, I can assure you
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So much for looking at all the options :banghead
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So much for looking at all the options :banghead
settle, the thread says KB wants sheeds ,not March,Cameron & Free want Sheeds
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Yeah i know , i am usually dismissive of people on the interweb claiming inside knowledge but there seem
to be a few people around the traps saying the same thing so i a worrying where there is smoke......
Still hopefully we end up with a good young guy , perhaps someone like alan richardson
will calm down for now!
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sheeds was rejected from the demon job,
he will not be considered for the north job
All of a sudden he wantd to coach the tigers.
No way, where were you sheeds when we needed you for 25 yrs, and you used us to get more money from the bombers. pee off back to your retirement home :banghead
sheeds coaching richmond wont happen, he is washed up, finished
Stay tuned , he aint washed up.
They will have a completely different structure to the other clubs in the AFL.
Cant wait for a few on here to go off the head when he gets the job.
It would be a great opportunity to develop a future coach in say 2 -3 years to take over, Have no problems with Kevin overseeing the process.
And as for a few here who posted what a mess he left Essendon in, you have no idea. :banghead
why isnt sheedy considered for the nth job?
Why was he rejected from the demons job?
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we dont have an issue at the RFc with marketing our club, so i see no reason why they would go for Sheeds.
If he is recruited to the top job because he is the best out there, then so be it but i doubt he is.
he is a washed up ex player who stuffed us off for 25 years. BANG!!!!
Enough said!!!
Well looks like your not getting much support........ yet again......... BANG......BANG!!!! and we only have no problem at the club regarding marketing THIS YEAR becuase Cuz is there.
Pot kettle NFI
:sleep
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Always interesting to find ot the sentiment on this site, as i do think its only the hard line richmond supporter's that post. I can't think of a problem with Sheedy taking over as coach next year. He would not take the job if he didnt think we could be succesful in the next five years and at this point i'll take that. 2 years out of the game and has got the passion back & he loves the club as much as any one. I think a combination of Sheedy and Hardwick/Brad Scott type in an assistant role would bring the best of both worlds.
your on the money :thumbsup. wont be Hardwick or Scott though ;)
of course not , they could get a job with any club in the league. ::)
We will just get Campbell/sheedy. No joke if this was any club other than the rfc, it would be hilarious. Hang on a minute.......it is. No crap if this happens we really are an absolute laughing stock of the afl.
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Always interesting to find ot the sentiment on this site, as i do think its only the hard line richmond supporter's that post. I can't think of a problem with Sheedy taking over as coach next year. He would not take the job if he didnt think we could be succesful in the next five years and at this point i'll take that. 2 years out of the game and has got the passion back & he loves the club as much as any one. I think a combination of Sheedy and Hardwick/Brad Scott type in an assistant role would bring the best of both worlds.
gee that is a big assumption.
and it is wrong
Sheedy is a senile old bastard that is taking his last opportunity to milk this club, just like he did come contract time over the last 27 years.
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sheeds was rejected from the demon job,
he will not be considered for the north job
All of a sudden he wants to coach the tigers.
No way, where were you sheeds when we needed you for 25 yrs, and you used us to get more money from the bombers. pee off back to your retirement home :banghead
sheeds coaching richmond wont happen, he is washed up, finished
Stay tuned , he aint washed up.
They will have a completely different structure to the other clubs in the AFL.
Cant wait for a few on here to go off the head when he gets the job.
It would be a great opportunity to develop a future coach in say 2 -3 years to take over, Have no problems with Kevin overseeing the process.
And as for a few here who posted what a mess he left Essendon in, you have no idea. :banghead
why isnt sheedy considered for the nth job?
Why was he rejected from the demons job?
good point. However its too early to tell if the dees got it right with Bailey and wrong not going for a Sheeds type.
if sheeds is the right man then so be it but i would like to fish others there before we decide. I dont understand why too many insiders have a say at our club.
One thing about Sheeds and Jack is right, the Bombers list is in fantastic shape largely because of him.
Not many of their players have come post Sheeds.
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It would go against everything they are trying to achieve, and i would be extremely suprised and it would be a huge mistake IMHO, but ...... I wouldnt rule it out.
It is an open secret in the AFL that the past players association of the RFC runs the club. Its a disgrace.
Sheedy is finished and the other 15 afl clubs know it, lets all hope the rfc know it too.
Exactly. We have 46k members now yet they still act as though it's their little boys club despite screwing it for the past 3 decades :chuck. Their time was 40 years ago in an amatuer VFL era. The aura of their playing days has long gone especially to a new generation that has only witnessed decades of failure. Do we have to wait until they are all pushing up daisies before they fiinally shut up, take a back seat, and the RFC can finally move forward.
This sort of rubbish with old past players publicly campaigning for their old teammates really helps us to attract the best candidates to apply doesn't it ::). Last month they wanted Malthouse and now it's Sheeds. They are just conning supporters by pulling at the heart strings and clutching at nostalgic straws with no substance. It just comes across as same old Richmond with the tail wagging the dog and a messiah will come to save us mentality. it's hilarious in someways to see these past players suddenly wanting to dictate to the masses what the RFC should do on the coaching front yet just 5 years ago they didn't want a bar of the RFC. Pee off the lot of them!
If it does happen March's position would become untenable. He would been seen as another puppet president and would have to resign immediately.
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Sheedy's new pitch welcomed
Patrick Smith and Greg Denham | July 03, 2009
AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou yesterday supported the prospect of Kevin Sheedy returning to coaching.
Sheedy, who announced on Wednesday that he wanted to coach Richmond, will meet with the Tigers for preliminary discussions on Sunday on the Gold Coast.
Demetriou said Sheedy's age -- 61 -- should not be viewed as a deterrent. "While obviously this is a matter for the club and the club alone, I don't subscribe to any theory that says coaching is a young man's game," he said. "If it was, Alex Ferguson (legendary Manchester United manager who is 67) would not have a job."
Sheedy, who finished his reign as Essendon coach at the end of 2007 after 27 consecutive years and 19 finals campaigns, coached premiership teams with the Bombers across three decades.
Since then, he has worked as an ambassador for the AFL and the league was considering a prominent role for him in the promotion of its newest club, in Sydney's west.
"I am a fan of Sheedy," Demetriou said.
"He has been helping to promote the brand. His work ethic has been extraordinary."
He said he would back Sheedy if he chose to coach again.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25724423-2722,00.html
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The Kevins have Tigers' board by the tail
Jake Niall | July 3, 2009
KEVIN Sheedy and Richmond are high-school sweethearts who never managed to get the timing right as adults.
When Richmond wanted him, he was happily ensconced with a more attractive partner — Essendon. The old yellow and black flame tried to get him back at least twice but, on each occasion, he preferred the stability of his prosperous long-term relationship with the steady Dons to jumping into bed with the tempestuous Tigers.
Now, the dynamics have reversed. Sheeds wants Richmond more than the Tigers want him. But because Kevin is an old flame, for whom the club retains some affection (and a marketing role), the club must pay him the respect of listening to his pitch and giving it due consideration.
The marketing role was a way of saying, "let's just be friends". The club also invited him to be part of the panel that determines the next coach — an invitation Sheedy declined, for reasons that are now obvious. He cannot appoint himself.
Richmond president Gary March has been on record saying that the Tigers would not be interested in hiring Sheedy as a coach; so unless he and the board change its view, or there is an upheaval at board level — a turn of events that can never be discounted at Tigerland — Kevin's chances would appear slim.
Sheedy's only hope lies in his run for the job triggering political instability — a classic Peter Costello situation. In this scenario, the Richmond board, fearful of the clout past players such as Sheedy wield in the Richmond electorate, appoints Sheeds to avoid a palace coup.
One would assume Sheedy would be aware of the potential political fall-out when he put his hand up for the job. He certainly knows the weight he carries with the Tiger faithful. A matter of months ago, he mobilised the masses, via the media, on behalf of Ben Cousins and made Tiger fans more amenable to recruiting the fallen champion.
This time, the "Kevin 2010" campaign has been launched by Sheedy's teammate Kevin Bartlett, whose stature at Tigerland is greatly amplified by his daily morning show on SEN. Bartlett had previously agitated on behalf of another teammate, Michael Malthouse, when Malthouse was on less solid ground at Collingwood.
Given the potential for talk-back hysteria similar to that which finally persuaded the Tigers to punt on Cousins, the Richmond hierarchy has no choice but to take the two Kevins seriously, and to allow Sheedy a fair crack at the position.
The two Kevins have lobbed a grenade into the Tiger boardroom, and it's now up to football operations manager Craig Cameron to find a way to defuse it. The club has about eight weeks in which to avoid detonation.
Sheedy's only feasible pitch will be that he coaches along David Parkin-Wayne Brittain lines, with a younger and more-modern understudy underneath him (eg, Wayne Campbell); that he soaks up the media and supporter heat, deals with the board and allows his understudy to do much of the actual coaching, as Brittain did under Parkin in 2000.
The countervailing force to the two Kevins is the football industry-wide trend in favour of younger coaches, and the recent successes of Ross Lyon and Matthew Knights in particular. That Knights is faring well with Essendon post-Sheedy does not help the Kevins' cause.
Knights and Lyon were hired after the kind of laborious processes that Richmond is intent on undertaking. Neither was an obvious or safe choice. They emerged as a result of casting the net wide, reviewing candidates over and over, narrowing the field and then making the final choice.
Richmond, traditionally, doesn't use process to find a coach. It just picks one. The current regime is determined to be rigorous, thorough and genuinely open-minded this time.
Sheedy is unlikely to fare as well in this kind of lab rat run-off. But he deserves a chance to be part of the rat race. The club owes him that, and no more.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/the-kevins-have-tigers-board-by-the-tail/2009/07/02/1246127634942.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
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It would go against everything they are trying to achieve, and i would be extremely suprised and it would be a huge mistake IMHO, but ...... I wouldnt rule it out.
It is an open secret in the AFL that the past players association of the RFC runs the club. Its a disgrace.
Sheedy is finished and the other 15 afl clubs know it, lets all hope the rfc know it too.
Exactly. We have 46k members now yet they still act as though it's their little boys club despite screwing it for the past 3 decades :chuck. Their time was 40 years ago in an amatuer VFL era. The aura of their playing days has long gone especially to a new generation that has only witnessed decades of failure. Do we have to wait until they are all pushing up daisies before they fiinally shut up, take a back seat, and the RFC can finally move forward.
This sort of rubbish with old past players publicly campaigning for their old teammates really helps us to attract the best candidates to apply doesn't it ::). Last month they wanted Malthouse and now it's Sheeds. They are just conning supporters by pulling at the heart strings and clutching at nostalgic straws with no substance. It just comes across as same old Richmond with the tail wagging the dog and a messiah will come to save us mentality. it's hilarious in someways to see these past players suddenly wanting to dictate to the masses what the RFC should do on the coaching front yet just 5 years ago they didn't want a bar of the RFC. Pee off the lot of them!
If it does happen March's position would become untenable. He would been seen as another puppet president and would have to resign immediately.
that is the intention mT, I hope they dont get what they want.
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Always interesting to find ot the sentiment on this site, as i do think its only the hard line richmond supporter's that post.
And a few lunatics as well tossed in for good measure and to keep things lively :lol
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Always interesting to find ot the sentiment on this site, as i do think its only the hard line richmond supporter's that post.
And a few lunatics as well tossed in for good measure and to keep things lively :lol
Don't be so hard on yourself :lol
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KB was on this again this morning but quite afew of our supporters rang up and emphasised the importance of sticking to the process. If enough ring in we may actually survive the pro sheedy onslaught.
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KB was on this again this morning but quite afew of our supporters rang up and emphasised the importance of sticking to the process. If enough ring in we may actually survive the pro sheedy onslaught.
Ramps why bother. looks like a formality if history repeats itself again.
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we dont have an issue at the RFc with marketing our club, so i see no reason why they would go for Sheeds.
If he is recruited to the top job because he is the best out there, then so be it but i doubt he is.
he is a washed up ex player who stuffed us off for 25 years. BANG!!!!
Enough said!!!
Well looks like your not getting much support........ yet again......... BANG......BANG!!!! and we only have no problem at the club regarding marketing THIS YEAR becuase Cuz is there.
Pot kettle NFI
:sleep
Ditto..... :help
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KB was on this again this morning but quite afew of our supporters rang up and emphasised the importance of sticking to the process. If enough ring in we may actually survive the pro sheedy onslaught.
Brian Waldron was on the money this morning. You can't make these decisions based on emotion alone and the way the old past players are publicly pushing this is undermining the Club's process.
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Get Nathan Buckley not Kevin Sheedy says Rex Hunt
Sam Edmund | July 03, 2009 01:06pm
REX Hunt has scoffed at the prospect of Kevin Sheedy coaching Richmond, saying his old Tiger teammate was too old to take the reins.
Sheedy put his hand up for the Tigers' job earlier this week, saying his record spoke for itself.
Hunt, who played with Sheedy at Punt Rd from 1968 to 1974, said this morning that the former Essendon mastermind and league legend was past it and nominated Nathan Buckley as the prime candidate.
"I'm also a realist. Time passes us all by and particularly this game - it is a relentless and ruthless game," Hunt said.
Hunt, speaking on radio 3AW, said Richmond was "on its knees" and as bad it was when Terry Wallace took over as coach in 2005.
"The thing about it is, I want to point out one thing to the Carlton Football Club from a Richmond point of view," he said.
"They've got (Chris) Judd, the best player in the competition along with Gary Ablett. Three No.1 draft picks got them (Bryce) Gibbs, (Marc) Murphy and (Matthew) Kreuzer and last week they were embarrassed to such an extent that they made eight changes and people were calling for the sacking of Brendan Fevola and that sort of thing.
"Richmond is bleeding uncontrollably and it would be just like a spout that has little bubbles on it and putting paint over the top and saying, 'Gee, this looks fantastic', but next winter it peels off and looks absolutely shizenhousen.
"It's going to be another five years before we can get some good kids to come in and complement the people that play their guts out for Richmond."
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Hunt said Sheedy would be far better suited to a mentor role at the club, guiding a young coach.
"Sheeds has to be a father figure, similar to what Alan Jeans did when Ross Smith took over as coach, similar to what Norm Smith did with Ron Barassi," he said.
"You've got to get an understudy in there and say, 'Take over this group and away you go'. It was like what Barassi did for Sydney and then Rodney Eade took over and the next year they made a Grand Final.
"I would not have him (Sheeds) as the main coach. I would certianly have him right behind the match committee. I would go straight out and get Nathan Buckley and convince him that this is one of the great clubs in the history of the VFL/AFL, we're on our knees, we need the best, we believe you’re the best and you're the man to help us get back on top."
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25727262-19742,00.html
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why should we GAF what KB wants anyway? he turned his back on the club for the best part of 20 yrs.
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why should we GAF what KB wants anyway? he turned his back on the club for the best part of 20 yrs.
have you been taking your medication because you are actually starting to make some sense
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Noticed Balmey stayed well out of the discussion this morning. One ex-Tiger with a proven record as a footy manager you would want back at the Club.
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About time we had an ex player willing to look at a situation and not get carried away looking after an ex team mate. Having said that, Bucks does work with him now so maybe the passion is not totally out of his argument, but i still agree with him!
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:gobdrop Rex Hunt making sense.
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The Kevins have Tigers' board by the tail
Jake Niall | July 3, 2009
KEVIN Sheedy and Richmond are high-school sweethearts who never managed to get the timing right as adults.
When Richmond wanted him, he was happily ensconced with a more attractive partner — Essendon. The old yellow and black flame tried to get him back at least twice but, on each occasion, he preferred the stability of his prosperous long-term relationship with the steady Dons to jumping into bed with the tempestuous Tigers.
Now, the dynamics have reversed. Sheeds wants Richmond more than the Tigers want him. But because Kevin is an old flame, for whom the club retains some affection (and a marketing role), the club must pay him the respect of listening to his pitch and giving it due consideration.
The marketing role was a way of saying, "let's just be friends". The club also invited him to be part of the panel that determines the next coach — an invitation Sheedy declined, for reasons that are now obvious. He cannot appoint himself.
A spot on analogy.
Waldron today btw said Leon Daphne first tried to get Sheeds after Northey left and before we took on Walls. So we tried in 1995, 99 and in the 2000s and were rejected every time.
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The Kevins have Tigers' board by the tail
Jake Niall | July 3, 2009
KEVIN Sheedy and Richmond are high-school sweethearts who never managed to get the timing right as adults.
When Richmond wanted him, he was happily ensconced with a more attractive partner — Essendon. The old yellow and black flame tried to get him back at least twice but, on each occasion, he preferred the stability of his prosperous long-term relationship with the steady Dons to jumping into bed with the tempestuous Tigers.
Now, the dynamics have reversed. Sheeds wants Richmond more than the Tigers want him. But because Kevin is an old flame, for whom the club retains some affection (and a marketing role), the club must pay him the respect of listening to his pitch and giving it due consideration.
The marketing role was a way of saying, "let's just be friends". The club also invited him to be part of the panel that determines the next coach — an invitation Sheedy declined, for reasons that are now obvious. He cannot appoint himself.
A spot on analogy.
Waldron today btw said Leon Daphne first tried to get Sheeds after Northey left and before we took on Walls. So we tried in 1995, 99 and in the 2000s and were rejected every time.
yep and now we should return the favour to good old kevin.
He maybe the best person out there but everyone should get their chance.
Its so clear now why he declined to be on the coaching panel. Dirty little devil old Kev is
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The Kevins have Tigers' board by the tail
Jake Niall | July 3, 2009
KEVIN Sheedy and Richmond are high-school sweethearts who never managed to get the timing right as adults.
When Richmond wanted him, he was happily ensconced with a more attractive partner — Essendon. The old yellow and black flame tried to get him back at least twice but, on each occasion, he preferred the stability of his prosperous long-term relationship with the steady Dons to jumping into bed with the tempestuous Tigers.
Now, the dynamics have reversed. Sheeds wants Richmond more than the Tigers want him. But because Kevin is an old flame, for whom the club retains some affection (and a marketing role), the club must pay him the respect of listening to his pitch and giving it due consideration.
The marketing role was a way of saying, "let's just be friends". The club also invited him to be part of the panel that determines the next coach — an invitation Sheedy declined, for reasons that are now obvious. He cannot appoint himself.
A spot on analogy.
Waldron today btw said Leon Daphne first tried to get Sheeds after Northey left and before we took on Walls. So we tried in 1995, 99 and in the 2000s and were rejected every time.
let you in on a little secret MT
sheeds was going to go back at the end of the spud era, but one greg miller got in the way , as he wanted wallace
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Always interesting to find ot the sentiment on this site, as i do think its only the hard line richmond supporter's that post. I can't think of a problem with Sheedy taking over as coach next year. He would not take the job if he didnt think we could be succesful in the next five years and at this point i'll take that. 2 years out of the game and has got the passion back & he loves the club as much as any one. I think a combination of Sheedy and Hardwick/Brad Scott type in an assistant role would bring the best of both worlds.
gee that is a big assumption.
and it is wrong
Sheedy is a senile old bastard that is taking his last opportunity to milk this club, just like he did come contract time over the last 27 years.
Senile ? Not a bad sort of senile then considering the list he has left at essendon.
You better get used to sheeds back at punt Rd Blaisee :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers
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I'm the one they have to beat
Nick Smart and Marco Monteverde | July 04, 2009
"IT is going to have to be someone to beat me."
That was the claim from Kevin Sheedy yesterday as the Richmond favourite son ramped up his bid to take over at Punt Rd.
Two days after the former Essendon mentor declared his hand, Sheedy re-stated his credentials during a visit to the Gold Coast, where the Tigers are playing tonight.
"I have been to 10 Grand Finals and averaged 14 wins a year for 27 years, so it is going to have to be someone good to beat me," Sheedy said yesterday.
"All I am saying is you have to consider people that have a successful application. If the performances are there, then others have to catch you."
Sheedy backed his old club in sticking to a rigorous selection process.
"For the club to go through the right process and interview the best people around is the best procedure," he said.
"What I've really said is if they weren't happy with the people that might put their hand up, at least they know I'm here and available.
"I'd hate to think that I said to all Tigers fans that I never made myself available. That would be the wrong thing to do."
Sheedy called on caretaker coach Jade Rawlings to play kids for the rest of the season.
"They are not going to make the eight now obviously, so you have to find out where the list is," he said.
"That is what we did (at Essendon) in 2006 and look at the Essendon list now -- they are looking pretty exciting."
Sheedy, 61, spoke to GC17 players yesterday and last night attended a Richmond function on the Gold Coast.
He was due to travel back to Melbourne for Essendon's 1984-85 premiership reunion function at Crown tonight.
Tiger greats led by Kevin Bartlett have backed Sheedy for the top job.
However, Rawlings would not be drawn on the Sheedy push.
"With the process the club's going through, there are many people that are going to put their hands up for it," Rawlings said.
"Some will be driven through the media, and some will be through the application process. The best person will get the job."
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25730247-19742,00.html
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Sheedy talk not distracting Rawlings
July 3, 2009 - 5:58PM
The hysteria whipped up by Kevin Sheedy's decision to vie for the Richmond job has not distracted incumbent coach Jade Rawlings.
It seems he's got enough to worry about right now.
Like trying to ensure his rebuilding side does not suffer any more mental scars from a daunting AFL clash with in-form Adelaide at the Gold Coast on Saturday night.
The Crows are flying high with five straight wins and have made it clear they will not be on the tourist strip for a holiday, with coach Neil Craig dismissing any thought of complacency on Friday.
It's hardly music to the ears of Rawlings as he works hard to motivate a team still smarting from last round's 56 point thumping by St Kilda - a game in which they went scoreless for 77 minutes.
Yet Rawlings has probably picked the best time to fly to the Gold Coast after Sheedy-mania broke out in Melbourne.
The former Essendon premiership coach has put his hand up for the Tigers gig after a campaign started by fellow Richmond legend Kevin Bartlett.
But Rawlings said on the Gold Coast on Friday: "There's going to be that speculation.
"Many people are going to be putting their hands up for it.
"Some will be driven through the media, some through the application process.
"The club will stick to their process - the best person will get the job."
Asked what the club said to him about retaining the reins next season, Rawlings said: "Nothing".
If Rawlings was thrown by all the speculation, he wasn't showing it on Friday.
"Not really. This industry is perception based," he said.
"A lot of stories can be built up through the media.
"Others use the media as forums to put themselves out there.
"I don't get distracted by that, the players don't.
"If it continues for the rest of the year with certain names being put up, maybe it might do but I haven't been affected by it."
Things were so much different the last time Richmond were on the Gold Coast for a 2009 pre-season game.
They comfortably beat the Brisbane Lions and then-coach Terry Wallace looked relaxed and was all smiles.
"Certainly a lot has happened since then," Rawlings laughed.
"But I have certainly enjoyed my role.
"We had two weeks to hang off the joys of winning a game of league footy (against West Coast in his first game as coach) but back to reality with the loss against St Kilda.
"I think we are in better shape to deal with that (Saints) type of pressure if it comes up again."
Asked what were the lessons learned from the Saints game, Rawlings laughed: "You can't afford not to score in two quarters."
The Crows showdown marks the first time Richmond have played a regular season game on the tourist strip since 1991.
They have a lousy record against Adelaide, winning just one of their last 13 games.
http://news.realfooty.com.au/breaking-news-sport/sheedy-talk-not-distracting-rawlings-20090703-d7od.html
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Why the Tigers must turn to Sheedy
Patrick Smith | July 04, 2009
THE Richmond Football Club - both board and administration - has been forced to grow up quickly.
Become wise overnight. Learn to balance the fuzzy emotion of sport against the chill of logic. Very few find the balance. Football, in particular, is overrun by cheerleaders.
Think of North Melbourne. It was faced with a decision to move to the Gold Coast, receive as much as $100million in AFL funding and have its long-term future secured. The alternative was to remain at Arden St in suburban Melbourne and fight day-to-day for every breath.
North stayed put. Now coach Dean Laidley has gone mid-season and the club officials have done nothing but bleat that times are tough. The quality of debate about North's very future was that of simpletons. Those who could shout the loudest won the day. There was no proper analysis of the options available. What was a critical financial decision that would ultimately determine North's place in the AFL's future, was reduced to an equation where the heart alone did the calculating.
Richmond president Gary March inherited coach Terry Wallace at Punt Rd. Wallace is gone all but a season before his time. The new president and the coach never marched arm-in-arm in battle, both men appeared unclear about each other's motives.
As Team Wallace began to unravel after three years of a five-year contract, March appointed Craig Cameron, a recruiting officer, to the decisive position of general manager of football. Cameron was not so much wet behind the ears but a walking swamp. Suddenly an inexperienced football manager and a naive president were faced with two decisions of such consequence that some club administrators might not face their like in a lifetime.
First came Ben Cousins, a recovering drug addict who had won both a Brownlow Medal and a premiership with West Coast. As Cousins waited out his 12-month suspension - applied by the code's commissioners for bringing the game into disrepute - every AFL club thought about drafting Cousins for this season but ultimately declined to add the champion midfielder to their list.
Wallace, March and Cameron were all on the public record saying the club would not select Cousins. Like all AFL clubs, the Tigers considered the intelligence gleaned about Cousins and opted not to pick him. And so they did just the opposite. Cousins became a Tiger with the last pick available in the pre-season draft.
It was a window into a club that had no meaningful strategy or resonant philosophy. No vision. Any culture of success or self-belief that drove the premiership years between 1967 to 1980 had evaporated. All lost in myriad poor decisions, delivered with a twitch and without thought and lashings of self-indulgence.
The decision that brought Cousins to Richmond killed off season 2009. Financially, it was successful. Cousins drew an extra $1m to the club through membership and attendance. But the weight of expectation proved too much for a club that shook in the gentlest of winds. In round one against Carlton the football team crumpled on national television and in front of 86,972 fans at the MCG.
Immediately Wallace's future at the club was questioned and a season disabled. A fourth-round loss to the previously incompetent Melbourne confirmed that Richmond was an AFL club in colours only. The players were at the brink of revolt. These were catastrophic times and Richmond urgently needed leadership, a sense of direction. The club was in danger of falling in on itself.
It was at this moment that March found his feet as a club president and Cameron his voice as a football executive. March stood up, Cameron spoke out. Wallace was gently guided to an early grave by round 11 and Jade Rawlings appointed to coach until the end of the season. A thorough process was drawn up to select a new coach for 2010. Ordered, precise and scrupulous.
Then along came Kevin Sheedy, former Richmond captain and best and fairest winner, premiership coach at Essendon and football legend. Richmond would face a second unprecedented decision that would determine its place in the AFL. All in the space of one season. No club's depth of wisdom had been so publicly examined and no club wishes that it might.
Immediately, the majority of the football community did the only thing it knows to do. Sheedy - 61, and his tenure at Essendon closed at the end of 2007 - was either too old and tired or the only man for the job. All passion and no clarity, the debate since Sheedy offered his services to Richmond this week has been passionate but superficial. To say that the game has passed Sheedy by is just a guess. To say that it has is damning criticism of Rodney Eade, Wallace and Neale Daniher, all younger coaches who could not match Sheedy in his last year at Essendon.
Sheedy is no ordinary coaching applicant. He took Essendon to 19 finals series and four premierships. He is a cherished offspring of Richmond where he won three premierships as a player. But while he has no divine right to the coaching position, what is not in dispute is his love of the Tigers or his ability to coach and nurture not just a team but a club. Significantly, he has the support of Kevin Bartlett, a football and Tiger legend.
Bartlett, a teammate of Sheedy's and prominent broadcaster since a four-year stint as Richmond coach, has never previously spoken out about the club. But this year his love of Richmond and his distress at seeing the Tigers' performance last week meant he had to act.
At the very least Bartlett has forced the club to take Sheedy seriously where it previously might not have. Cameron meets Sheedy tomorrow. This will shape the club's future, for not only must the club consider what Sheedy can do at the controls of the team but also what might happen without him. If Richmond fares no better with Sheedy occupied elsewhere, the decision not to anoint him will haunt March, Cameron and the club perhaps for eternity.
What is certain is that the time is not right for experimentation at Richmond. The man who takes over as coach cannot be given the indulgence of learning on the job. The stakes are too high, failure too costly.
What will work in Sheedy's favour is the state of the list. It is deplorable and needs at least three years of careful replenishing and teaching before it can make any meaningful push towards the top of the competition. Sheedy builds lists, even dynasties. Look at the raw material Matthew Knights has at his disposal at Essendon. That will take time.
Building pride in the club, restoring respect and rediscovering the roar of the Tiger can be done quickly and efficiently. That's what you get with a reinvigorated Sheedy, it is home delivered such is his stature in the game. Sheedy does not need to spruik. The name Sheedy alone shouts passion, respect and innovation. Sheedy is football-speak for all of these things.
That said, he cannot be handed the job. Protocols have been established, a course set. But to argue from afar that Sheedy is too old is as illogical as saying he needs no critical assessment. March and Cameron have arrived at Richmond at one of the most vulnerable moments in the club's rich story. They have grown impressively as administrators this year. What they decide over the next few months will define their place in football history. Right now Tigerland is no place for pussy.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25729749-12270,00.html
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A reasonable article until the last line.
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A reasonable article until the last line.
You reckon?
The club has been wronged by Sheedy and Bartlett. Both could've achieved the same outcome behind closed doors.
They have put unnecessary pressure on the club. They are both selfish and self serving.
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A reasonable article until the last line.
You reckon?
The club has been wronged by Sheedy and Bartlett. Both could've achieved the same outcome behind closed doors.
They have put unnecessary pressure on the club. They are both selfish and self serving.
bartlett and sheeds have a history of putting themselves above the club, this is just another example to add to a long list.
The club will hopefully come out soon and make a public statment saying that all apllicants will have to go through the same process. I expect sheedy to then decline the offer and make up an excuse.
In the meantime we should leave no stone unturned, the list of applicants is very impressive indeed ;)
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Always interesting to find ot the sentiment on this site, as i do think its only the hard line richmond supporter's that post. I can't think of a problem with Sheedy taking over as coach next year. He would not take the job if he didnt think we could be succesful in the next five years and at this point i'll take that. 2 years out of the game and has got the passion back & he loves the club as much as any one. I think a combination of Sheedy and Hardwick/Brad Scott type in an assistant role would bring the best of both worlds.
gee that is a big assumption.
and it is wrong
Sheedy is a senile old bastard that is taking his last opportunity to milk this club, just like he did come contract time over the last 27 years.
Senile ? Not a bad sort of senile then considering the list he has left at essendon.
You better get used to sheeds back at punt Rd Blaisee :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers
we should string sheeds along the same way he strung us along for 27 years. We owe him no favours...none
The fact that he has mounted a public campaign through the media, with KB, KB! KB? KB the bloke that turned his back on the RFC for the last 20 years. Its a disgrace, and is a real insight in the challenges the RFC has had to endure over the last 10 years.
We need people that put the club first and themselves second, unfortunately KB and Sheeds both, do not qualify.
If he wants the job he should go through the process of interviews just like anyone else, in this process it will become clear that he is finished and a BETTER more CONTEMPORARY applicanmt will be appointed, that is my expectation.
If he really wants the job Sheeds should give it his best shot, unfortunately for him and the past players association, I doubt he still has the ability to get the job done, the board know this and have to deal with it in a professional matter, and then rule it out !!!!
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The fact that he has mounted a public campaign through the media, with KB, KB! KB? KB the bloke that turned his back on the RFC for the last 20 years. Its a disgrace, and is a real insight in the challenges the RFC has had to endure over the last 10 years.
Not to mention mounting his campaign via his online propaganda merchant ;)
Sheedy is a bigger snake oil salesman that you know who.
Shifty Sheeds, no words were truer of this bloke :banghead
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A reasonable article until the last line.
You reckon?
The club has been wronged by Sheedy and Bartlett. Both could've achieved the same outcome behind closed doors.
They have put unnecessary pressure on the club. They are both selfish and self serving.
bartlett and sheeds have a history of putting themselves above the club, this is just another example to add to a long list.
The club will hopefully come out soon and make a public statment saying that all apllicants will have to go through the same process. I expect sheedy to then decline the offer and make up an excuse.
In the meantime we should leave no stone unturned, the list of applicants is very impressive indeed ;)
Sheeds as director of coaching handling the Media with Cambo doing the match day coaching.
Sheeds on the bench motivating the troops and Cambo in the box.
Gives us three years to evaluate Cambo and gives Cambo three years to learn the trade.
I say we have no choice but to do this.
If Cambo comes good we have started another coaching dynasty and set us up for long term success with a Richmond man at the helm.
:cheers
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To say that the game has passed Sheedy by is just a guess.
Apart from Fatprick being a Bartlett sycophant and fellow broadcaster ::) I'll ignore the rest of his propaganda and just concentrate on this sentence.
Fatprick, we cannot afford to make guesses with this bloke. This is not an appointment Richmond can stuff up. If there's any chance the game has passed him by, we cannot take that chance.
Basically Patrick, we have to take all the romance of the situation out of it. Everyone knows at the club - or should know if they've been around footy for a while -that you will hound the club if they get it wrong, Sheedy or not. So it's a decision not to be treated frivolously, just because a couple of coterie groups and former players want him.
Proper process, Fatprick, proper process. It's an insult to the other candidates as well not to do that. We'd never get anyone applying for jobs in the future if proper process wasn't followed.
If we take the right route, Sheedy may be your man. If you have so much confidence in his abilities, those abilities will stand him head and shoulders above all the others. And if he doesn't come up to scratch, then he is not for us is he?
At the very least Bartlett has forced the club to take Sheedy seriously where it previously might not have. Cameron meets Sheedy tomorrow. This will shape the club's future, for not only must the club consider what Sheedy can do at the controls of the team but also what might happen without him. If Richmond fares no better with Sheedy occupied elsewhere, the decision not to anoint him will haunt March, Cameron and the club perhaps for eternity.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25729749-12270,00.html
Precisely what I said on another thread, because Bartlett has opened his fat trap about this, the club will be damned if they appoint Sheeds and damned if they don't. Everyone knows that if Sheedy is appointed, the club will be criticised for taking him based on emotion, or we didn't follow due process and picked the best candidate, or whatever. They'll damn us either way :banghead
I wish Bartlett had just shut up and let the club make the decisions.
He bragged on radio yesterday that while he was away from the club he never sat back and undermined it or played politics. No, I don't believe he did. So why start meddling now? Have some confidence in the people who have the job to select the coach.
If Sheeds is appointed, there will always be this cloud over the reasons he was appointed IMO because of this, ie were the club pressured into making the appointment if he is chosen.
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A reasonable article until the last line.
You reckon?
The club has been wronged by Sheedy and Bartlett. Both could've achieved the same outcome behind closed doors.
They have put unnecessary pressure on the club. They are both selfish and self serving.
bartlett and sheeds have a history of putting themselves above the club, this is just another example to add to a long list.
The club will hopefully come out soon and make a public statment saying that all apllicants will have to go through the same process. I expect sheedy to then decline the offer and make up an excuse.
In the meantime we should leave no stone unturned, the list of applicants is very impressive indeed ;)
Sheeds as director of coaching handling the Media with Cambo doing the match day coaching.
Sheeds on the bench motivating the troops and Cambo in the box.
Gives us three years to evaluate Cambo and gives Cambo three years to learn the trade.
I say we have no choice but to do this.
If Cambo comes good we have started another coaching dynasty and set us up for long term success with a Richmond man at the helm.
:cheers
Everyone's arguing for Sheeds becuase of his experience, but you put forward a name who has none. Campbell should go and get some experience and then apply.
Plenty of just as worthy footballers have bothered to do that ::)
But no, there are people saying we have to have Richmond people.
This club is an absolute joke :banghead
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A reasonable article until the last line.
You reckon?
The club has been wronged by Sheedy and Bartlett. Both could've achieved the same outcome behind closed doors.
They have put unnecessary pressure on the club. They are both selfish and self serving.
bartlett and sheeds have a history of putting themselves above the club, this is just another example to add to a long list.
The club will hopefully come out soon and make a public statment saying that all apllicants will have to go through the same process. I expect sheedy to then decline the offer and make up an excuse.
In the meantime we should leave no stone unturned, the list of applicants is very impressive indeed ;)
Sheeds as director of coaching handling the Media with Cambo doing the match day coaching.
Sheeds on the bench motivating the troops and Cambo in the box.
Gives us three years to evaluate Cambo and gives Cambo three years to learn the trade.
I say we have no choice but to do this.
If Cambo comes good we have started another coaching dynasty and set us up for long term success with a Richmond man at the helm.
:cheers
Everyone's arguing for Sheeds becuase of his experience, but you put forward a name who has none. Campbell should go and get some experience and then apply.
Plenty of just as worthy footballers have bothered to do that ::)
But no, there are people saying we have to have Richmond people.
This club is an absolute joke :banghead
You're as bad as OX with your insults.
You just sugar coat them.
I think I'd prefer OX's foul mouth at least you know exactly what he thinks.
:wallywink
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The fact that he has mounted a public campaign through the media, with KB, KB! KB? KB the bloke that turned his back on the RFC for the last 20 years. Its a disgrace, and is a real insight in the challenges the RFC has had to endure over the last 10 years.
Not to mention mounting his campaign via his online propaganda merchant ;)
Sheedy is a bigger snake oil salesman that you know who.
Shifty Sheeds, no words were truer of this bloke :banghead
that comment is the biggest lkoad of poo i have ever read.
i would NEVER be putting sheeds and wallace in the same breath. Sheeds has done more for the game than Wallace could ever dream of.
boys and agirls you better get used to it.
SHEEDS WILL BE OUR NEXT COACH.
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The fact that he has mounted a public campaign through the media, with KB, KB! KB? KB the bloke that turned his back on the RFC for the last 20 years. Its a disgrace, and is a real insight in the challenges the RFC has had to endure over the last 10 years.
Not to mention mounting his campaign via his online propaganda merchant ;)
Sheedy is a bigger snake oil salesman that you know who.
Shifty Sheeds, no words were truer of this bloke :banghead
that comment is the biggest lkoad of poo i have ever read.
i would NEVER be putting sheeds and wallace in the same breath. Sheeds has done more for the game than Wallace could ever dream of.
boys and agirls you better get used to it.
SHEEDS WILL BE OUR NEXT COACH.
OMFG I think I agree with the little girl.
:outtahere
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A reasonable article until the last line.
You reckon?
The club has been wronged by Sheedy and Bartlett. Both could've achieved the same outcome behind closed doors.
They have put unnecessary pressure on the club. They are both selfish and self serving.
bartlett and sheeds have a history of putting themselves above the club, this is just another example to add to a long list.
The club will hopefully come out soon and make a public statment saying that all apllicants will have to go through the same process. I expect sheedy to then decline the offer and make up an excuse.
In the meantime we should leave no stone unturned, the list of applicants is very impressive indeed ;)
Sheeds as director of coaching handling the Media with Cambo doing the match day coaching.
Sheeds on the bench motivating the troops and Cambo in the box.
Gives us three years to evaluate Cambo and gives Cambo three years to learn the trade.
I say we have no choice but to do this.
If Cambo comes good we have started another coaching dynasty and set us up for long term success with a Richmond man at the helm.
:cheers
Everyone's arguing for Sheeds becuase of his experience, but you put forward a name who has none. Campbell should go and get some experience and then apply.
Plenty of just as worthy footballers have bothered to do that ::)
But no, there are people saying we have to have Richmond people.
This club is an absolute joke :banghead
You're as bad as OX with your insults.
You just sugar coat them.
I think I'd prefer OX's foul mouth at least you know exactly what he thinks.
:wallywink
Well, I was telling you what I think :lol
And who cares who you prefer :wallywink
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The fact that he has mounted a public campaign through the media, with KB, KB! KB? KB the bloke that turned his back on the RFC for the last 20 years. Its a disgrace, and is a real insight in the challenges the RFC has had to endure over the last 10 years.
Not to mention mounting his campaign via his online propaganda merchant ;)
Sheedy is a bigger snake oil salesman that you know who.
Shifty Sheeds, no words were truer of this bloke :banghead
that comment is the biggest lkoad of poo i have ever read.
i would NEVER be putting sheeds and wallace in the same breath. Sheeds has done more for the game than Wallace could ever dream of.
boys and agirls you better get used to it.
SHEEDS WILL BE OUR NEXT COACH.
Sheedy has done heaps for the game but he is still Shifty
This episode has proven that with him going through Bartlett to mount his case
If he is appointed coach, I will live with it Daniel
If he is successful, I will party with him
If he is not, then questions will be asked won't they dear ;D
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Always interesting to find ot the sentiment on this site, as i do think its only the hard line richmond supporter's that post. I can't think of a problem with Sheedy taking over as coach next year. He would not take the job if he didnt think we could be succesful in the next five years and at this point i'll take that. 2 years out of the game and has got the passion back & he loves the club as much as any one. I think a combination of Sheedy and Hardwick/Brad Scott type in an assistant role would bring the best of both worlds.
gee that is a big assumption.
and it is wrong
Sheedy is a senile old bastard that is taking his last opportunity to milk this club, just like he did come contract time over the last 27 years.
Senile ? Not a bad sort of senile then considering the list he has left at essendon.
You better get used to sheeds back at punt Rd Blaisee :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers
we should string sheeds along the same way he strung us along for 27 years. We owe him no favours...none
The fact that he has mounted a public campaign through the media, with KB, KB! KB? KB the bloke that turned his back on the RFC for the last 20 years. Its a disgrace, and is a real insight in the challenges the RFC has had to endure over the last 10 years.
We need people that put the club first and themselves second, unfortunately KB and Sheeds both, do not qualify.
If he wants the job he should go through the process of interviews just like anyone else, in this process it will become clear that he is finished and a BETTER more CONTEMPORARY applicanmt will be appointed, that is my expectation.
If he really wants the job Sheeds should give it his best shot, unfortunately for him and the past players association, I doubt he still has the ability to get the job done, the board know this and have to deal with it in a professional matter, and then rule it out !!!!
your dreaming pal.
its a done deal. no interviews required
Im a realist and i hope we go through the whole process but its becoming more obvious that sheeds has his papers stamped for the top gig.
FFS WHY CANT WE SIGN UP SOS OR SUMICH. WE DONT NEED SHEEDS OR KB OR WALLET WE NEED A WOG DOWN THERE. A WOG WILL CLEAN UP THE PLACE
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Well, I was telling you what I think :lol
And who cares who you prefer :wallywink
On another matter, why the name change?
Finished hiding from past ghosts?
:thumbsup
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Well, I was telling you what I think :lol
And who cares who you prefer :wallywink
On another matter, why the name change?
Finished hiding from past ghosts?
:thumbsup
What are you talking about ghosts?
I have no ghosts lol
It was my original name
I didn't get banned from here when I first dropped it.
On another matter, why have you turned this thread personal against me?
Why don't you answer about Campbell's experience like I mentioned earlier?
Because maybe I have a point and this is all a facade because you have no answers?
Nice diversion, 1965 :wallywink
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A reasonable article until the last line.
You reckon?
The club has been wronged by Sheedy and Bartlett. Both could've achieved the same outcome behind closed doors.
They have put unnecessary pressure on the club. They are both selfish and self serving.
bartlett and sheeds have a history of putting themselves above the club, this is just another example to add to a long list.
The club will hopefully come out soon and make a public statment saying that all apllicants will have to go through the same process. I expect sheedy to then decline the offer and make up an excuse.
In the meantime we should leave no stone unturned, the list of applicants is very impressive indeed ;)
Sheeds as director of coaching handling the Media with Cambo doing the match day coaching.
Sheeds on the bench motivating the troops and Cambo in the box.
Gives us three years to evaluate Cambo and gives Cambo three years to learn the trade.
I say we have no choice but to do this.
If Cambo comes good we have started another coaching dynasty and set us up for long term success with a Richmond man at the helm.
:cheers
It is a good theory and makes sense. But remember, Sheeds went through the process at Melbourne and did not make the grade. So I'm not sure what is going to change - despite his 2 years away to "refresh" and the fact it appears Dean Bailey is looking to be on shaky ground.
The only issue that I see with your post is the statement "it is our only option". We have some great candidates with a breadth of options - experienced assistants, high profile newbies "Bucks" and of course the elder statesman.
May be best man win.
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A reasonable article until the last line.
You reckon?
The club has been wronged by Sheedy and Bartlett. Both could've achieved the same outcome behind closed doors.
They have put unnecessary pressure on the club. They are both selfish and self serving.
bartlett and sheeds have a history of putting themselves above the club, this is just another example to add to a long list.
The club will hopefully come out soon and make a public statment saying that all apllicants will have to go through the same process. I expect sheedy to then decline the offer and make up an excuse.
In the meantime we should leave no stone unturned, the list of applicants is very impressive indeed ;)
Sheeds as director of coaching handling the Media with Cambo doing the match day coaching.
Sheeds on the bench motivating the troops and Cambo in the box.
Gives us three years to evaluate Cambo and gives Cambo three years to learn the trade.
I say we have no choice but to do this.
If Cambo comes good we have started another coaching dynasty and set us up for long term success with a Richmond man at the helm.
:cheers
what has campbell ever done to deserve a senior coaching job?
Is he on the list that North are targetting ? no. Why? Because he doesnt deserve to be
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Not been at all impressed by Bailey @ Melbourne. They have been playing Wallace style basketball lately.
Whichever way we go I hope we are faithful to the process without bias.
There is romanticism about Sheeds coming back. There is also fanaticism about going with a young coach, whether anointed by the press as a future premiership coach (e.g. Mark Harvey a couple of seasons back) or not (Bailey).
Having Sheeds available is actually a good option to consider and one that North wont have. If we go through the process it won't be anything less than a positive. Only if the board waver is it a problem. I think the current hysteria and commotion says more about the faith we have in the board (and the quality of those people) than Sheeds himself.
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To say that the game has passed Sheedy by is just a guess.
Apart from Fatprick being a Bartlett sycophant and fellow broadcaster ::) I'll ignore the rest of his propaganda and just concentrate on this sentence.
Fatprick, we cannot afford to make guesses with this bloke. This is not an appointment Richmond can stuff up. If there's any chance the game has passed him by, we cannot take that chance.
Basically Patrick, we have to take all the romance of the situation out of it. Everyone knows at the club - or should know if they've been around footy for a while -that you will hound the club if they get it wrong, Sheedy or not. So it's a decision not to be treated frivolously, just because a couple of coterie groups and former players want him.
Proper process, Fatprick, proper process. It's an insult to the other candidates as well not to do that. We'd never get anyone applying for jobs in the future if proper process wasn't followed.
If we take the right route, Sheedy may be your man. If you have so much confidence in his abilities, those abilities will stand him head and shoulders above all the others. And if he doesn't come up to scratch, then he is not for us is he?
At the very least Bartlett has forced the club to take Sheedy seriously where it previously might not have. Cameron meets Sheedy tomorrow. This will shape the club's future, for not only must the club consider what Sheedy can do at the controls of the team but also what might happen without him. If Richmond fares no better with Sheedy occupied elsewhere, the decision not to anoint him will haunt March, Cameron and the club perhaps for eternity.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25729749-12270,00.html
Precisely what I said on another thread, because Bartlett has opened his fat trap about this, the club will be damned if they appoint Sheeds and damned if they don't. Everyone knows that if Sheedy is appointed, the club will be criticised for taking him based on emotion, or we didn't follow due process and picked the best candidate, or whatever. They'll damn us either way :banghead
I wish Bartlett had just shut up and let the club make the decisions.
He bragged on radio yesterday that while he was away from the club he never sat back and undermined it or played politics. No, I don't believe he did. So why start meddling now? Have some confidence in the people who have the job to select the coach.
If Sheeds is appointed, there will always be this cloud over the reasons he was appointed IMO because of this, ie were the club pressured into making the appointment if he is chosen.
well said froarsy ol pal...due diligence must take its course :shh
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A reasonable article until the last line.
What does that last sentence mean?? :rollin
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A reasonable article until the last line.
What does that last sentence mean?? :rollin
The sexist demeaning use of the word "pussy" was out of character with the rest of the article.
And totally unnecessary.
'65
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The Kevins have Tigers' board by the tail
Jake Niall | July 3, 2009
KEVIN Sheedy and Richmond are high-school sweethearts who never managed to get the timing right as adults.
When Richmond wanted him, he was happily ensconced with a more attractive partner — Essendon. The old yellow and black flame tried to get him back at least twice but, on each occasion, he preferred the stability of his prosperous long-term relationship with the steady Dons to jumping into bed with the tempestuous Tigers.
Now, the dynamics have reversed. Sheeds wants Richmond more than the Tigers want him. But because Kevin is an old flame, for whom the club retains some affection (and a marketing role), the club must pay him the respect of listening to his pitch and giving it due consideration.
The marketing role was a way of saying, "let's just be friends". The club also invited him to be part of the panel that determines the next coach — an invitation Sheedy declined, for reasons that are now obvious. He cannot appoint himself.
A spot on analogy.
Waldron today btw said Leon Daphne first tried to get Sheeds after Northey left and before we took on Walls. So we tried in 1995, 99 and in the 2000s and were rejected every time.
let you in on a little secret MT
sheeds was going to go back at the end of the spud era, but one greg miller got in the way , as he wanted wallace
You mean he was playing us off again to get a new deal at Essendon like he had always done. He only wants us now because his former lover dumped him for someone younger lol.
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He only wants us now because his former lover dumped him for someone younger lol.
Does this mean that if Sheeds gets the job I'll have to sleep with him?
I think I might change my mind.
:help
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A reasonable article until the last line.
You reckon?
The club has been wronged by Sheedy and Bartlett. Both could've achieved the same outcome behind closed doors.
They have put unnecessary pressure on the club. They are both selfish and self serving.
bartlett and sheeds have a history of putting themselves above the club, this is just another example to add to a long list.
The club will hopefully come out soon and make a public statment saying that all apllicants will have to go through the same process. I expect sheedy to then decline the offer and make up an excuse.
In the meantime we should leave no stone unturned, the list of applicants is very impressive indeed ;)
Sheeds as director of coaching handling the Media with Cambo doing the match day coaching.
Sheeds on the bench motivating the troops and Cambo in the box.
Gives us three years to evaluate Cambo and gives Cambo three years to learn the trade.
I say we have no choice but to do this.
If Cambo comes good we have started another coaching dynasty and set us up for long term success with a Richmond man at the helm.
:cheers
1965, have you been reading my emails?
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To say that the game has passed Sheedy by is just a guess.
Apart from Fatprick being a Bartlett sycophant and fellow broadcaster ::) I'll ignore the rest of his propaganda and just concentrate on this sentence.
Fatprick, we cannot afford to make guesses with this bloke. This is not an appointment Richmond can stuff up. If there's any chance the game has
Not so much of a guess based on 3aw last night. Towards the end Sheeds had players turning up to games not knowing what role they were playing. His methods had become dated and he was out of touch with their younger players. There's also the story of a certain young Bomber at the time who would be leading their B&F this year who asked Sheeds what he had to do to become a better footballer and after 20 mins walked away not having a clue. Sheeds was a great coach for 20 years but his time has passed.
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A reasonable article until the last line.
You think lol
According to Mellow on BF three years ago he was calling for Sheeds to get the sack :rollin
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Not a bad sort of senile then considering the list he has left at essendon.
In fairness to Knighter most of the backline is all his - Pears, Hooker, Hocking - as is the gameplan. Mind you unaccountable footy had a bad night last night lol and they've only beaten one current top 8 side which was the Pies back in round 5 who were injury-riddled at the time. Knighter will also have to construct a new forward line in a couple of years as they still rely on Lloyd and to a lesser extent Lucas to kick long to they way they play. They better hope Neagle can eventually can run out more than a quarter at FF and Gumby can get on the park without breaking down otherwise there'll be a hole up there when the 30+ year olds retire.
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A reasonable article until the last line.
You think lol
According to Mellow on BF three years ago he was calling for Sheeds to get the sack :rollin
It was more a comment on the last line than the article per se.
See my previous post ( http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum//index.php?topic=9584.msg147155#msg147155 )
:help
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According to Mellow on BF three years ago he was calling for Sheeds to get the sack :rollin
Is this the article?
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22239562-12270,00.html
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According to Mellow on BF three years ago he was calling for Sheeds to get the sack :rollin
Is this the article?
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22239562-12270,00.html
:thumbsup
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Always interesting to find ot the sentiment on this site, as i do think its only the hard line richmond supporter's that post. I can't think of a problem with Sheedy taking over as coach next year. He would not take the job if he didnt think we could be succesful in the next five years and at this point i'll take that. 2 years out of the game and has got the passion back & he loves the club as much as any one. I think a combination of Sheedy and Hardwick/Brad Scott type in an assistant role would bring the best of both worlds.
gee that is a big assumption.
and it is wrong
Sheedy is a senile old bastard that is taking his last opportunity to milk this club, just like he did come contract time over the last 27 years.
Senile ? Not a bad sort of senile then considering the list he has left at essendon.
You better get used to sheeds back at punt Rd Blaisee :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers
we should string sheeds along the same way he strung us along for 27 years. We owe him no favours...none
The fact that he has mounted a public campaign through the media, with KB, KB! KB? KB the bloke that turned his back on the RFC for the last 20 years. Its a disgrace, and is a real insight in the challenges the RFC has had to endure over the last 10 years.
We need people that put the club first and themselves second, unfortunately KB and Sheeds both, do not qualify.
If he wants the job he should go through the process of interviews just like anyone else, in this process it will become clear that he is finished and a BETTER more CONTEMPORARY applicanmt will be appointed, that is my expectation.
If he really wants the job Sheeds should give it his best shot, unfortunately for him and the past players association, I doubt he still has the ability to get the job done, the board know this and have to deal with it in a professional matter, and then rule it out !!!!
your dreaming pal.
its a done deal. no interviews required
Im a realist and i hope we go through the whole process but its becoming more obvious that sheeds has his papers stamped for the top gig.
FFS WHY CANT WE SIGN UP SOS OR SUMICH. WE DONT NEED SHEEDS OR KB OR WALLET WE NEED A WOG DOWN THERE. A WOG WILL CLEAN UP THE PLACE
Hollywood Palace is where the interviews should take place. Its where RFC Press Conferences should occur. Hollywood Palace is the place to be :lol
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According to Mellow on BF three years ago he was calling for Sheeds to get the sack :rollin
Is this the article?
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22239562-12270,00.html
:thumbsup
You're welcome lol. Sheeds had lost the younger players. The generation gap had become to great.
I heard on the news Terry waffling something about Sheeds needing to know how to cut video ???. Shut up Plough you're not helping lol.
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Where in that article does he call for Sheedy to be sacked?
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A reasonable article until the last line.
You think lol
According to Mellow on BF three years ago he was calling for Sheeds to get the sack :rollin
It was more a comment on the last line than the article per se.
See my previous post ( http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum//index.php?topic=9584.msg147155#msg147155 )
:help
Why would I bother.
I saw enough of your garbage this afternoon
Actually, the worst display from a poster I've ever seen to attack someone because you couldn't think up an answer to respond :lol
pee week 1965 :wallywink
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A reasonable article until the last line.
You think lol
According to Mellow on BF three years ago he was calling for Sheeds to get the sack :rollin
It was more a comment on the last line than the article per se.
See my previous post ( http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum//index.php?topic=9584.msg147155#msg147155 )
:help
Why would I bother.
I saw enough of your garbage this afternoon
Actually, the worst display from a poster I've ever seen to attack someone because you couldn't think up an answer to respond :lol
pee week 1965 :wallywink
Well that's a first.
I thought you had more class than to post this rubbish.
How dare someone question the great Moi/Froars.
...and you accuse me of attacking someone.
:sleep
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A reasonable article until the last line.
You think lol
According to Mellow on BF three years ago he was calling for Sheeds to get the sack :rollin
It was more a comment on the last line than the article per se.
See my previous post ( http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum//index.php?topic=9584.msg147155#msg147155 )
:help
Why would I bother.
I saw enough of your garbage this afternoon
Actually, the worst display from a poster I've ever seen to attack someone because you couldn't think up an answer to respond :lol
pee week 1965 :wallywink
Well that's a first.
I thought you had more class than to post this rubbish.
How dare someone question the great Moi/Froars.
...and you accuse me of attacking someone.
:sleep
Any thoughts on Campbell's inexperience?
:wallywink
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Lets take the emotion out of it, its funny but that line works from both angles in this episode.
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A reasonable article until the last line.
You think lol
According to Mellow on BF three years ago he was calling for Sheeds to get the sack :rollin
It was more a comment on the last line than the article per se.
See my previous post ( http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum//index.php?topic=9584.msg147155#msg147155 )
:help
Why would I bother.
I saw enough of your garbage this afternoon
Actually, the worst display from a poster I've ever seen to attack someone because you couldn't think up an answer to respond :lol
pee week 1965 :wallywink
Well that's a first.
I thought you had more class than to post this rubbish.
How dare someone question the great Moi/Froars.
...and you accuse me of attacking someone.
:sleep
Any thoughts on Campbell's inexperience?
:wallywink
Are you an ex-teacher?
:thumbsup
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A reasonable article until the last line.
You think lol
According to Mellow on BF three years ago he was calling for Sheeds to get the sack :rollin
It was more a comment on the last line than the article per se.
See my previous post ( http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum//index.php?topic=9584.msg147155#msg147155 )
:help
Why would I bother.
I saw enough of your garbage this afternoon
Actually, the worst display from a poster I've ever seen to attack someone because you couldn't think up an answer to respond :lol
pee week 1965 :wallywink
Well that's a first.
I thought you had more class than to post this rubbish.
How dare someone question the great Moi/Froars.
...and you accuse me of attacking someone.
:sleep
Any thoughts on Campbell's inexperience?
:wallywink
Are you an ex-teacher?
:thumbsup
No, just curious on your thoughts on Campbell's inexperience, but you keep avoiding the issue by getting personal with me.
No, I've never been a teacher in any form.
I'm just little 'ol me who apparently is a nasty little cow who sugar coats everything
Despite the fact I was just talking about Cambo's inexperience.
:help
Can't get any clearer than that :banghead
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No, just curious on your thoughts on Campbell's inexperience, but you keep avoiding the issue by getting personal with me.
No, I've never been a teacher in any form.
I'm just little 'ol me who apparently is a nasty little cow who sugar coats everything
Despite the fact I was just talking about Cambo's inexperience.
:help
Can't get any clearer than that :banghead
The victim are we?
Give me a break.
You sound like one of the mods on another forum.
"Answer my question or else"
:help
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Just wondering why the meeting with Sheeds tomorrow....
Could they get him to coach the rest of the season, and offer him the job full-time if he reaches his goals ie. win 4 of 8.
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Kevin Sheedy hears opportunity knocking at Richmond
Jackie Epstein | July 05, 2009
KEVIN Sheedy touched down from the Gold Coast yesterday and made a beeline for Flemington.
His horse Bel Shoes was running in the second, but it failed to snare a place. He later attended the Essendon 1984-85 premiership reunion function at Crown and will return to Queensland today after meeting the Tigers.
This 61-year-old has energy levels to match an adolescent. Sheedy welcomes any invitation, enjoys most functions and will always come with a smile.
His diary is thicker than the Prime Minister's and is littered with appointments, notes and mutterings about anything from expansion to zoning. All of this will be gleefully cast aside if he gets a chance to coach again.
During our weekly meetings to discuss his Sunday Herald Sun columns, Sheedy has always been in tune with football issues and tactics.
He is rarely on time, but he also makes time. If he can answer his phone he will and he eventually returns calls.
It is amazing how many people still recognise and relate to him. Mostly it's Sheedy initiating the interaction.
He asks waiters about their background, he says hello whenever someone walks by and isn't fussed when they return puzzled looks.
Finally, on Wednesday, he confirmed what most close to him already know. He wants to coach, feels he has much to offer and Richmond's job is firmly in his sights.
Strategic yes, surprising no.
Previously he played a straight bat to repeated questioning on the issue. As president of the AFL Coaches Association, he wanted to be diplomatic, but it was only a matter of timing. He often says a coach is rarely given the boot while the side sits in the eight. That's what happened to him at Essendon through season 2007.
But what seemed to irk him more was the public rejection he endured when Melbourne overlooked him as senior coach. When he refers to the wooden spoons he was saved from "winning" with the Demons you can sense the sting amid the jest.
It was a slap in the face for a legendary coach and the desire to prove critics wrong has lingered.
Management would not be his strong suit, but that's where his personal assistant comes in. Without Jeanette Curwood he may well be unaware which country he was meant to be in next week.
Who knows if he is a nose in front or the length of the straight behind. Richmond is nevertheless prepared to listen, and so it should.
What we do know is that a man who carries himself with such pride does not open the door so wide if there's a risk of it slamming shut in his face. Especially not if it has happened already.
Sheedy knows he had to voice his interest while other candidates came to the fore and the process got under way. Importantly, he also knew he would have heavyweight backing.
It might be ego, it might be wishful thinking.
It might also be a masterstroke.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25734118-19742,00.html
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WASNT Patrick Smith a media cheerleader for the Clinton Casey Greg Miller Ticket?
OR is my memory on this issue tricking me.
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No, just curious on your thoughts on Campbell's inexperience, but you keep avoiding the issue by getting personal with me.
No, I've never been a teacher in any form.
I'm just little 'ol me who apparently is a nasty little cow who sugar coats everything
Despite the fact I was just talking about Cambo's inexperience.
:help
Can't get any clearer than that :banghead
The victim are we?
Give me a break.
You sound like one of the mods on another forum.
"Answer my question or else"
:help
Well no you don't have to answer, I'm no Nazi
But the fact you don't just means you're a weak gutless idiot for having a go at me for no reason
:gotigers
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Got I hate the spelling police on messageboards
Idiot is not what I wrote :rollin
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Always interesting to find ot the sentiment on this site, as i do think its only the hard line richmond supporter's that post. I can't think of a problem with Sheedy taking over as coach next year. He would not take the job if he didnt think we could be succesful in the next five years and at this point i'll take that. 2 years out of the game and has got the passion back & he loves the club as much as any one. I think a combination of Sheedy and Hardwick/Brad Scott type in an assistant role would bring the best of both worlds.
Love Hollywood Palace :thumbsup
gee that is a big assumption.
and it is wrong
Sheedy is a senile old bastard that is taking his last opportunity to milk this club, just like he did come contract time over the last 27 years.
Senile ? Not a bad sort of senile then considering the list he has left at essendon.
You better get used to sheeds back at punt Rd Blaisee :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers
we should string sheeds along the same way he strung us along for 27 years. We owe him no favours...none
The fact that he has mounted a public campaign through the media, with KB, KB! KB? KB the bloke that turned his back on the RFC for the last 20 years. Its a disgrace, and is a real insight in the challenges the RFC has had to endure over the last 10 years.
We need people that put the club first and themselves second, unfortunately KB and Sheeds both, do not qualify.
If he wants the job he should go through the process of interviews just like anyone else, in this process it will become clear that he is finished and a BETTER more CONTEMPORARY applicanmt will be appointed, that is my expectation.
If he really wants the job Sheeds should give it his best shot, unfortunately for him and the past players association, I doubt he still has the ability to get the job done, the board know this and have to deal with it in a professional matter, and then rule it out !!!!
your dreaming pal.
its a done deal. no interviews required
Im a realist and i hope we go through the whole process but its becoming more obvious that sheeds has his papers stamped for the top gig.
FFS WHY CANT WE SIGN UP SOS OR SUMICH. WE DONT NEED SHEEDS OR KB OR WALLET WE NEED A WOG DOWN THERE. A WOG WILL CLEAN UP THE PLACE
Hollywood Palace is where the interviews should take place. Its where RFC Press Conferences should occur. Hollywood Palace is the place to be :lol
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For the Tigers' sake, Sheedy should put his hand back down
Caroline Wilson | July 8, 2009
THE last thing Richmond needed was for Kevin Sheedy to put his hand up for the Tigers' coaching position. In a move as potentially divisive as it was contrary, Sheedy began galvanising support from a small but influential group of past players last month and last week launched the juggernaut via his old teammate Kevin Bartlett.
In doing so he has let down the club that embraced him late last year, offering Sheedy a paid position, which proved a fitting off-shoot to his ambassadorial role with the AFL — a role now surely rendered untenable.
He has done his bit in terms of lifting memberships and no one is questioning his motives, but it seems bizarre that Sheedy has chosen to ignore some more than subtle hints that have come his way regarding the coaching job.
Richmond made it clear when it employed him that there was no football role available and president Gary March told The Footy Show on the eve of the season that his personal opinion was that Sheedy would not be looked at as the next Tigers' coach.
The fact that March and his football boss, Craig Cameron, asked Sheedy to join the club's coaching subcommittee would indicate they had no intention of appointing him to the job. March's personal view is echoed by most of the board, two of whom — Rob Dalton and Don Lord — will sit in on the final selection process.
Sheedy and Essendon parted company because, after 27 years, the Bombers wanted to reinvigorate the club with a new mentor who could win the trust of his players and inject a new discipline into Windy Hill. Every time an Essendon player opens his mouth these days he seems to focus on how preparation and communication have lifted the group as a whole.
The two had perhaps tired of each other and when Sheedy applied for the Melbourne job soon afterwards he looked to be going through the motions. He was considered only because of a brilliant history, offering nothing compelling for the future.
Now Bartlett says Sheedy is reinvigorated and refreshed but he offered only Sheedy's past as evidence of that. The campaign smacks of knee jerk after the Tigers' shocking loss to St Kilda 10 days ago. Bartlett only relatively recently made peace with Richmond and appeared to be supportive of the strict resolve adopted by the March-led Tigers after so many coaching appointments made for the wrong reasons.
Now the respected commentator, who quit the Hall of Fame committee partly because the AFL ignored the correct process and bowed to pressure from the Lou Richards-for-legend campaign, has launched a similar action himself.
Sheedy must be allowed to try for the job; to refuse his application would only further outrage the former players and officials who have held the club to ransom so many times before and are likely to make life miserable for the candidate who eventually wins the position.
And that won't be Sheedy. Not while this board rules the club. Only an extraordinary general meeting could get him over the line, so it must be said that the four-time premiership coach has not embraced the vision of this board and administration.
Sheedy did not go quietly from Essendon and he has not trod carefully since returning to Richmond.
No one at the club underestimates Sheedy's charisma, power, popularity or political nous. But he is not seen as the candidate to lead the club out of the wilderness.
Richmond also knows that this uncaged Tiger could spark a revolution — something the club does not need. Don't do it Kevin.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/rfnews/for-the-tigers-sake-sheedy-should-put-his-hand-back-down/2009/07/07/1246732331687.html
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Sometimes I agree with Coar, other times I don't
On this topic and with this article she is 110% correct
And Kudos to someone in the media finally having the guts to say what so many of have known for a long long time about some of the past players holding the club to ransom ... See below:
"Sheedy must be allowed to try for the job; to refuse his application would only further outrage the former players and officials who have held the club to ransom so many times before and are likely to make life miserable for the candidate who eventually wins the position."
:banghead
On this she is so so right :clapping
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Oh righteous Caro, how about you put your pen down next time there is a slow news week and the only dirt you've got concerns Richmond.
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Great work Caro, lets hope the "old" RFC players that say they love this club so much actually read this article and take notice. we are not about to launch this football club into the past!!
Fresh faces around the club is whats needed, just look at what it has done at Essendon, wouldn't it be great to hear our players talk about discipline, knowing what they are doing at traing towards a game plan and preperation and communication improvements.
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why dosnt caro just stfu
she is richmonds spokesperson or the fans rep
sheedy is going through the process and so he should because he is teh best man 4 the job and this process will prove it
melbourne simpley didnt want sheedy bec they couldnt afford him , snow troips were more important!
why dosnt caro write about her father and he was very much involved in stuffing up the club all those yrs ago
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sheedy is going through the process and so he should because he is teh best man 4 the job and this process will prove it
The process of trying to get an appointment via pressure from the media while other candidates are willing to let their ideas and attitude do the talking. No one else is holding such a selfish agenda to get the job. ::)
Hold strong for a change Richmond. pee the old man off, my respect for Sheedy has taken a vast turn in the past week.
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KB and Patrick Smith this morning were mocking the whole article and carrying on about what a disgrace it would be if a 4 time premiership coach, 20 years of finals, etc had a line through his name and if so the process isn't transparent.
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KB and Patrick Smith this morning were mocking the whole article and carrying on about what a disgrace it would be if a 4 time premiership coach, 20 years of finals, etc had a line through his name and if so the process isn't transparent.
Considering even one Damien Barratt was as kind as he could be to Richmond's commitment to the process so far, I don;t care what those two morons with an agenda have to say.
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ANDREW BEWS: Sheedy should stay in shadows
Geelong Advertiser
July 8th, 2009
Kevin Sheedy Coach of the Tigers for 2010 - what a debacle; some of the old Tigers seem intent on living in the 1970s.
Sheeds was a great coach but spent his time coaching in enemy territory. Move on for God's sake!
You have him down there as an ambassador, what else do you want from the old dog?
For 25 years the yellow in his veins was turned red, give the bloke the opportunity to settle back into his old office - probably the same one he had when he was the junior footy development officer in the 70s and early 80s.
A new era is about to dawn at Richmond, the hierarchy is trying to get it right, for crying out loud let it do it.
Tommy Hafey, KB and Bourkey have all been great personalities for the club but they need to let the past be just that and support the people who are in a position to procure the best young coach in the land.
How long would Sheedy coach the Tigers for anyway?
About three years you'd think, whereas a youngster could potentially be a 10-year proposition.
At the moment Tommy, KB and Bourkey are exerting their influence from the balcony seats like the Muppetts.
Why not put the shoulder to the wheel behind the scenes to get that once great club going in the one direction instead of pulling the opposite way?
Or even worse, trying to gain mileage for self promotion.
Frankly, it's a little embarrassing.
http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/article/2009/07/08/83145_geelong_sports.html
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KB and Patrick Smith this morning were mocking the whole article and carrying on about what a disgrace it would be if a 4 time premiership coach, 20 years of finals, etc had a line through his name and if so the process isn't transparent.
Sure, it would be a disgrace if the club had put a line through his name and allowed him to go through the process of going for the position knowing they were going to rule him out anyway.
But coming from guys who said Sheeds was the only bloke for the job and there really were no other candidates.
POT - KETTLE - BLACK
:rollin
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Oh righteous Caro, how about you put your pen down next time there is a slow news week and the only dirt you've got concerns Richmond.
What a load of rubbish!
Caro calls it as she sees it with every club/player/admin.
How is this 'dirt' anyway?
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What a load of rubbish!
Caro calls it as she sees it with every club/player/admin.
How is this 'dirt' anyway?
You and I both know that Caro's 'contacts' at Richmond are better than anywhere else.
You and I both know that a crisis sells more papers than a good news story.
Caro's been living off the back of our troubles for years and years. Our board don't do any favours, but she does worse for us than an evenhanded journo would and certainly doesn't help the club she loves.
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Caro has an agenda from the past hiding her fathers insecurities and infighting with Barry Richardson in 84 and 85 which crippled the club then and on field has barely had a strong beating pulse.
Sheedy rather than blow his own horn should step down from the race. The game has passed him and he will not lead Richmond to the promised land. If anything he used us as a bargaining tool to get what he wanted at Essendon and now he has no more re invention left to mould a side that will be successful. Step down Sheeds and keep your grace and dignity.
Back to Caro, yes she has her own agenda and has regularly written up derogatory articles of previous admins other than her fathers whose tenure ultimately was saved by two premierships in 74 and 80. Nevertheless she has strong links with these coterie groups at the club who have many passed players who have influenced the club before but for once I am pleased she put the club first and basically told them all to go forth and multiply and allow the process to take its natural course.
As for KB ever since he has been sacked in 91 he has felt he is bigger than the club.
Won't attend functions won't do this won't do that but he has opinion on us. For someone who has held the club for ransom Kevin you have alot of say. Your post in the media is a perfect forum hey? To say what. KB has lost all respect from me not only with his alliance with that one trick pony one side of viewpoint of an argument in Patrick Smith. KB is just a bitter and twisted man who is becoming more and more selfish as time goes on. Of course his friendship with Sheeds has nothing to do with it. KB put up or shut up. Of course all this is so Richmond like as he was sacked 18 years ago but KB time to move on and accept your time is up when it comes to the Tiges. I just hope someone beats his 403 games and we don't have to have him as our games record holder.
All we need now is our last premiership coach to come out again and say something derogatory to ensure he remains our last premiership coach.
Caro well done. For once :thumbsup
Sheeds your like Aussie Joe Bugner you had your chance many many moons ago a comeback now would be a joke and more ridiculous than beneficial.
KB is a disgrace.
Let the panel do their job. They'll select the right person. If it does not work it won't be the panel it will be the club and that will be the most unforgivable sin of all. Back of ego heads time to realise that you need your ego bags deflated and that the you rotate around the RFC not the RFC around you and your fractured and self centered interests.
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why dosnt caro just stfu
she is richmonds spokesperson or the fans rep
sheedy is going through the process and so he should because he is teh best man 4 the job and this process will prove it
melbourne simpley didnt want sheedy bec they couldnt afford him , snow troips were more important!
why dosnt caro write about her father and he was very much involved in effing up the club all those yrs ago
Why is Sheedy the best man for the job? What would make Sheedy a better candidate than say Mathews or Malthouse?
Why isn't a new coach the best man, how do you know who is the best man for the job?
This is the second post i have read from you today bagging Caro...why don't you like her?
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why dosnt caro just stfu
she is richmonds spokesperson or the fans rep
sheedy is going through the process and so he should because he is teh best man 4 the job and this process will prove it
melbourne simpley didnt want sheedy bec they couldnt afford him , snow troips were more important!
why dosnt caro write about her father and he was very much involved in effing up the club all those yrs ago
Why is Sheedy the best man for the job? What would make Sheedy a better candidate than say Mathews or Malthouse?
Why isn't a new coach the best man, how do you know who is the best man for the job?
This is the second post i have read from you today bagging Caro...why don't you like her?
Even though this post wasn't directed at me, I'll reply. Malthouse hasn't applied for the job to our knowledge, Sheedy has. Matthews isn't interested, Sheedy is. Sheedy has made the finals a lazy 20 odd times, has a premiership in every decade he has coached in and averages 14 wins a season. Who can compete with that?
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why dosnt caro just stfu
she is richmonds spokesperson or the fans rep
sheedy is going through the process and so he should because he is teh best man 4 the job and this process will prove it
melbourne simpley didnt want sheedy bec they couldnt afford him , snow troips were more important!
why dosnt caro write about her father and he was very much involved in effing up the club all those yrs ago
Why is Sheedy the best man for the job? What would make Sheedy a better candidate than say Mathews or Malthouse?
Why isn't a new coach the best man, how do you know who is the best man for the job?
This is the second post i have read from you today bagging Caro...why don't you like her?
Even though this post wasn't directed at me, I'll reply. Malthouse hasn't applied for the job to our knowledge, Sheedy has. Matthews isn't interested, Sheedy is. Sheedy has made the finals a lazy 20 odd times, has a premiership in every decade he has coached in and averages 14 wins a season. Who can compete with that?
A 10-20 year future coach can compete with that.. :thumbsup
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Haha. We need experience right now - Sheeds offers that. You can hope that a young untried coach will achieve future success, but it's far from a guarantee (I doubt our next coach will have 27 years here ::)). A future coach can't "compete" with Sheedy's success because for all we know, our next coach could be rubbish.
Kevin Sheedy is a proven coach. We need someone who's proven to be good, whether that is Sheedy, Williams or whoever. I personally don't think we can afford to give a bloke a chance if he's never had a seniors gig.
:thumbsup
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Even though this post wasn't directed at me, I'll reply. Malthouse hasn't applied for the job to our knowledge, Sheedy has. Matthews isn't interested, Sheedy is. Sheedy has made the finals a lazy 20 odd times, has a premiership in every decade he has coached in and averages 14 wins a season. Who can compete with that?
With Sheeds, it isn't just about past glories. What about his record at the Bombers in his final couple of seasons? I don't think you can ignore what his former players are saying about how he "coached" ;D
What this club needs is the best possibly person for the RFC. Let's go through the "process" and see what happens but all candidates must go through the process, whoever they are
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Haha. We need experience right now - Sheeds offers that. You can hope that a young untried coach will achieve future success, but it's far from a guarantee (I doubt our next coach will have 27 years here ::)). A future coach can't "compete" with Sheedy's success because for all we know, our next coach could be rubbish.
Kevin Sheedy is a proven coach. We need someone who's proven to be good, whether that is Sheedy, Williams or whoever. I personally don't think we can afford to give a bloke a chance if he's never had a seniors gig.
:thumbsup
There's no guarantee with any coach even a legendary one. Yabby Jeans didn't do any better than KB at Richmond whereas Pagan didn't turn things around at Carlton. Plus history shows no 60+ year old coach has won a flag since our last one. Roos, Thompson, Clarkson, Worsfold are all younger coaches and all premiership coaches within the past 5 years. It didn't do their respective clubs any harm. The Club needs to determine via this process they've set up who is the best coach for us for the future; not the best coach of the past. We might as well get Hafey to coach again if past success is the main criteria.
ps. Welcome to OER by the way
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There's no guarantee with any coach even a legendary one. Yabby Jeans didn't do any better than KB at Richmond whereas Pagan didn't turn things around at Carlton. Plus history shows no 60+ year old coach has won a flag since our last one. Roos, Thompson, Clarkson, Worsfold are all younger coaches and all premiership coaches within the past 5 years. It didn't do their respective clubs any harm. The Club needs to determine via this process they've set up who is the best coach for us for the future; not the best coach of the past. We might as well get Hafey to coach again if past success is the main criteria.
ps. Welcome to OER by the way
All I'll say MT is there is no point ruling out Sheedy on the basis of his experience. Take his experience, put it in the 'positives' column next to the name Sheedy and see how it compares to the other candidates with their enthusiasm and new ideas.
These things are cyclical anyway. If you look at Rugby League, you had Tim Sheens and Wayne Bennett winning it in '05 and '06 and then the next two years relatively junior coaches in Bellamy and Hasler. Now at the top of the table you have Bennett and Hughes who is a newcomer to coaching.
In the NFL young coaches have been all the rage, but until the Steelers won it last year the super bowl winning coaches from previous years had been > 50.
The Lakers have won 4 titles since bringing in the experienced Phil Jackson. Mike Krzyzewski in basketball too.
Look at what rot set in as soon as Newcastle United got rid of Bobby Robson.
All I am saying is that there is no point disregarding experience. In fact, if experience is drastically undervalued, you might be better off going with experience. I'm sure there would be a term for this in game theory or financial markets.
If we honour the process we will be right.
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All I'll say MT is there is no point ruling out Sheedy on the basis of his experience. Take his experience, put it in the 'positives' column next to the name Sheedy and see how it compares to the other candidates with their enthusiasm and new ideas.
These things are cyclical anyway. If you look at Rugby League, you had Tim Sheens and Wayne Bennett winning it in '05 and '06 and then the next two years relatively junior coaches in Bellamy and Hasler. Now at the top of the table you have Bennett and Hughes who is a newcomer to coaching.
In the NFL young coaches have been all the rage, but until the Steelers won it last year the super bowl winning coaches from previous years had been > 50.
The Lakers have won 4 titles since bringing in the experienced Phil Jackson. Mike Krzyzewski in basketball too.
Look at what rot set in as soon as Newcastle United got rid of Bobby Robson.
I'm not one to compare AFL coaches to other sports as the AFL set-up is completely different to other sports. The NRL doesn't have a Draft system so clubs can chase players from anywhere provided they stick within their salary. American sports have free agency and draft pick futures. No way could've Boston last year gained Garnett and co. to win the NBA title under the current AFL draft system. As for Soccer it's completely the antithesis of the AFL system. A free for all where money attracts the superstars to a select few clubs in Europe (hello Real Madrid). Mind you European Champs Barcelona have a 32 year old manager compared to the traditional older managers of other big clubs. Newcastle Utd has a large hometown Geordie supporter base but it isn't a Big 4 club. Plus it has had incompentent admins on par with Richmond's. That's why they were relegated.
All I am saying is that there is no point disregarding experience. In fact, if experience is drastically undervalued, you might be better off going with experience. I'm sure there would be a term for this in game theory or financial markets.
Mean reversion. Interest rates for instance have a long term average (7%?) so the more they are above/below this average the greater the chance they'll fall/rise. I'd take a guess Sheeds won't be giving a presentation on G.A.R.C.H. modelling ;).
If we honour the process we will be right.
100% agree there Jake.
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Even though this post wasn't directed at me, I'll reply. Malthouse hasn't applied for the job to our knowledge, Sheedy has. Matthews isn't interested, Sheedy is. Sheedy has made the finals a lazy 20 odd times, has a premiership in every decade he has coached in and averages 14 wins a season. Who can compete with that?
With Sheeds, it isn't just about past glories. What about his record at the Bombers in his final couple of seasons? I don't think you can ignore what his former players are saying about how he "coached" ;D
What this club needs is the best possibly person for the RFC. Let's go through the "process" and see what happens but all candidates must go through the process, whoever they are
Fair enough, WP. :)
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Haha. We need experience right now - Sheeds offers that. You can hope that a young untried coach will achieve future success, but it's far from a guarantee (I doubt our next coach will have 27 years here ::)). A future coach can't "compete" with Sheedy's success because for all we know, our next coach could be rubbish.
Kevin Sheedy is a proven coach. We need someone who's proven to be good, whether that is Sheedy, Williams or whoever. I personally don't think we can afford to give a bloke a chance if he's never had a seniors gig.
:thumbsup
There's no guarantee with any coach even a legendary one. Yabby Jeans didn't do any better than KB at Richmond whereas Pagan didn't turn things around at Carlton. Plus history shows no 60+ year old coach has won a flag since our last one. Roos, Thompson, Clarkson, Worsfold are all younger coaches and all premiership coaches within the past 5 years. It didn't do their respective clubs any harm. The Club needs to determine via this process they've set up who is the best coach for us for the future; not the best coach of the past. We might as well get Hafey to coach again if past success is the main criteria.
ps. Welcome to OER by the way
Good points, MT. I still reckon there is a bit of life in Sheedy's coaching career. Still, Caro is peeing me off with her anti Sheedy campaign. :scream If Sheedy can manage to come out on top of this process, he will have earned it.
Cheers for the welcome.
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All I am saying is that there is no point disregarding experience. In fact, if experience is drastically undervalued, you might be better off going with experience. I'm sure there would be a term for this in game theory or financial markets.
Mean reversion. Interest rates for instance have a long term average (7%?) so the more they are above/below this average the greater the chance they'll fall/rise. I'd take a guess Sheeds won't be giving a presentation on G.A.R.C.H. modelling ;).
MT you are a crack-up. Sounds more like regret-aversion to me, but I'm sure it would make a refreshing change to see Sheeds roll out an excel presentation rather than a powerpoint job.
From what I read Sheeds is more a Napoleonic wars man.
Talk about past glories.
That's why they were relegated.
Terrifying to imagine what might have happened to rfc if we had relegation here.
Anyway, back to the (Martingale) process...
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why dosnt caro just stfu
she is richmonds spokesperson or the fans rep
sheedy is going through the process and so he should because he is teh best man 4 the job and this process will prove it
melbourne simpley didnt want sheedy bec they couldnt afford him , snow troips were more important!
why dosnt caro write about her father and he was very much involved in effing up the club all those yrs ago
Why is Sheedy the best man for the job? What would make Sheedy a better candidate than say Mathews or Malthouse?
Why isn't a new coach the best man, how do you know who is the best man for the job?
This is the second post i have read from you today bagging Caro...why don't you like her?
why do u like her like her?
i have seen better heads on dicks than on her shoulders, she thinks she knows it all but knows eff all, she tries to speak on behalf of others and bags who she wants but never ever criticises her dad for being the king of king eff ups
she just hates being made a fool and because she has said sheedy wont coach she will do whatever she can to make sure he dosnt so she can say....i told u so........
sheedy is the man for the job, no ifs buts or maybes
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Was watching the Channel 9 news tonight and they went to the offices of the Hun to talk about what will be in the paper tomorrow.
As one of the items there they mentioned that a high profile candidate for the coaching job at RFC has pulled out.
Is anyone aware of who it is and why? Is It Bucks?????????
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It wouldn't surprise me if it's Sheeds
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I heard Bucks on AW after the game. He made it really clear Richmond was years away from developing a proper list. Caller came on and asked him to rate us and he said he didnt rate Carlton and look what they did to us today.
No way Bucks wants the job .
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If any aspiring coach thinks he's going to walk into a Club with a list ready to go or thereabouts he is kidding himself. People would've have said Hawthorn was years away when Clarkson got the gig. Same with Thompson at Geelong in 1999, Knighter at Essendon, etc. Coaches don't get the flick from good performing lists.
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I'm hoping its Sheeds......
Would love to see either Bucks or Hardwick coach the club.
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I reckon it's Laidley. It seems he might be eyeing off either a St's gig or something else interstate.
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Was Laidley in the running? I thought we/he weren't interested.
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I reckon it's Laidley. It seems he might be eyeing off either a St's gig or something else interstate.
He has family involved at Freo and at the Eagles. ;)
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If any aspiring coach thinks he's going to walk into a Club with a list ready to go or thereabouts he is kidding himself. People would've have said Hawthorn was years away when Clarkson got the gig. Same with Thompson at Geelong in 1999, Knighter at Essendon, etc. Coaches don't get the flick from good performing lists.
Silly to compare Buckley with Clarkson or even Knights. Those guys were considered lucky to get a coaching gig and were surprise/left field selections. Better comparisons with Frawley. Buckley, whether deserved or not, can almost pick his first coaching job. Compare him to Voss and Hird and those blokes wont want to wreck a coaching career by taking on what they think is an impossible job.
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At half-time of the Brisbane-Geelong game
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Will be announced at 1/2 time on channel 10 !!!! :)
( 5 mins )
I think it may be Richardson. Apparently the club asked him to apply when he was not intending to.
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No names yet but the candidate who has pulled out believes he was never a chance in the process and as a result is embarrassed he put his hand up in the first place.
It's not Buckley as he'll speak to both Richmond and North in the next 10 days.
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Sounds like its Sheeds.
It was mentioned Bucks will be talking to us and North in the next 10 days.
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Yep it must be Sheeds. Oh well we'll live without him lol.
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Wait for the past player and coterie sooks to have a cry come Monday morning now that their mate is out. Serves them right for publicly pushing his cause and putting pressure on and embarrassing the Club ::). The media will make a big deal about this but good on the Club for holding firm and not caving in. Part of the cultural change is generational change both on and off field :thumbsup.
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Just been told Sheeds has pulled out
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Just been told Sheeds has pulled out
::)
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Just been told Sheeds has pulled out
Seeing as we're running out of any good years, how about Sheeds coach for 2011, Jack???
Any scoops on that one?
:rollin
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now sheeds might know how it feels like to be dumped for the better part of 25 years.
He denied us how many times so its only fair we return the favour. stuff him
he has been a marvel for the game but thats all he will be.
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LOL Moi
It's his and his former old teammates own fault. Blind freddy knew he had no chance and the Club gave him enough clues that his coaching career was over. Way to go selfishly embarrassing the Club they claim to love ::).
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LOL Moi
It's his and his former old teammates own fault. Blind freddy knew he had no chance and the Club gave him enough clues that his coaching career was over. Way to go selfishly embarrassing the Club they claim to love ::).
They owe an apology to Sheeds, the club and supporters
He may well have been the best candidate but they sabotaged it.
The club would have been damned if they appointed him and damned if they didn't
But will he apologise?
When pigs fly he will :banghead
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yeah well those who start sooking can get stuffed because he had us on a string for 25 years and only wanted us when he no longer had a job at the Bombers or when the demons denied him.
Thats the way the cookie crumbles pal
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LOL Moi
It's his and his former old teammates own fault. Blind freddy knew he had no chance and the Club gave him enough clues that his coaching career was over. Way to go selfishly embarrassing the Club they claim to love ::).
They owe an apology to Sheeds, the club and supporters
He may well have been the best candidate but they sabotaged it.
The club would have been damned if they appointed him and damned if they didn't
But will he apologise?
When pigs fly he will :banghead
They owe Caro an apology too lol
Sheeds was finished as a coach. He was a great one in his time but that time has passed. At least hopefully now the Sheeds circus will disappear and the Club can go through the selection process properly.
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so is this official has sheedy pulled the pin?
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so is this official has sheedy pulled the pin?
yes it is Ramps
Watch Channel 10 now. 5th Quarter it has been mentioned briefly already. They will discuss in detail shortly.
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Jon Ralph on Ch 10 said it's the biggest name in the game over the past 27 years so it's definitely Sheeds. Club was notified 45 minutes ago. The Herald-Sun will have the reasons from all parties in tomorrow's paper.
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Well atleast the circus will end now and the real dealings in finding the next coach can go on behind closed doors...until of course it gets leaked into the media or by Jacko in OER lol.
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I hope sheeds did this for the club, to spare us from all the romantic crap about etting him to coach us again!
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Cant wait to see what Tigertit has to say. Was taking pretty big bets on this board all week that Sheedy was a lock
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Well Jon Ralph said the new coach will be either Malthouse or an untried younger coach.
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Well Jon Ralph said the new coach will be either Malthouse or an untried younger coach.
THe man is clearly a genius. ;D
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Well Jon Ralph said the new coach will be either Malthouse or an untried younger coach.
THe man is clearly a genius. ;D
Well his boss is the expert of stating the bleedingly obvious so he's learnt from the best lol.
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Just been told Sheeds has pulled out
well i guess that means he must be in the running because you havent been right once in the last 5 years. :shh
but if he has pulled out of the running ( which I predicted weeks ago ) what happened to the " i wouldnt be able to live with myself if i didnt ever put my hand up for the rfc coaching job " line.
Go and retire gracefully you silly senile old fart, and take your selfish self serving mate Kb with you.
prick
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Is Hardwick now the favorite?
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I couldn't find this on the net yet so scanned it in. I'll post it here first so it doesn't get lost in the other thread and merge it later on.
'Awkward' Sheeds pulls pin on Tigers
By Jackie Epstein
Sunday Herald-Sun 12 JUL 2009, Page S03
KEVIN Sheedy has withdrawn from the race to coach Richmond.
The legendary coach, who earlier this month declared his interest, says he will walk away because he senses the club does not want him.
"The club's bigger than the individual,'' Sheedy said yesterday.
"At no stage would I really want to be coaching while Gary March is president. I didn't realise he had said on The Footy Show that I would not coach while he is there.
"I feel awkward that I've embarrassed myself and the club. I had not known that was said. I'm putting my hand down so I don't cause a revolution. I actually thought I'd be a revelation.''
Sheedy was prepared to step into the role because with his experience he feels he can turn the club around.
Last Sunday he met Richmond's head of football Craig Cameron, but will now sit out the process.
"I would think it just paints a very ordinary picture on myself going into another Clayton's interview,'' Sheedy said.
"I think I'd probably be wasting my time like I did with Melbourne and it would take an enormous amount for me not to think that. I would not like to see that happen with Craig Cameron and Tony Free, who I respect.''
Sheedy, who won four premierships during his 27-year tenure as coach at Essendon, was at the Sydney-Essendon game at the SCG yesterday.
He attended alongside the NSW premier and the AFL as they discussed plans for the new West Sydney team.
Since he spoke of his desire to coach again Sheedy has received overwhelming support from Richmond club greats Kevin Bartlett and Tom Hafey, as well as fans.
In a superfooty.com.au poll, 62 percent of almost 5000 votes, were in favour of Sheedy coaching the club.
"I just hope Richmond find a good coach,'' Sheedy said.
"They haven't had a top-class coach since Tom Hafey left in 1976.
"If they don't think they need an experienced coach, good luck to them.''
Sheedy said suggestions that he is too old to coach at 61 were nonsensical. He has not shut the gate on coaching again.
"I could easily say give me a ring in two or three years I'll only still be a baby,'' Sheedy said.
"I can assure you if I was coaching Melbourne the last two years I would have done nearly the same as Dean Bailey and played as many young kids as I could.
"But because you're 59 and 60 those two years, it would have been the fault of when my mother had me.''
Sheedy was overlooked for the Melbourne coaching position after he parted with the Bombers in 2007.
He was disillusioned by that process.
"The Melbourne interview was a total farce, with everywhere I went Craig Hutchison turning up,'' Sheedy said.
"It was obvious that Garry Lyon said this is where I'm going, this is what I'm doing. It was a Channel 9 soap opera.
"When you've been through that and clearly that's what happened, and most of those people aren't at Melbourne now, it was a waste of time.
"Clubs don't realise that they are also being interviewed. I will support the Tigers like I always have and catch Essendon's 40,000 members.''
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Royce's tip off
PUNCHLINES
By SCOT PALMER
ROYCE Hart, arguably the greatest ever Tiger, sensed even before teammate Kevin Sheedy left Essendon that he was looking to again pick up the coaching traces with Richmond: "I think it's been around a while'' he confided this week.
Hart won't be joining doubters at Punt Rd to write the veteran Sheeds off -- "He might be the one who can be the exception to the rule,'' he said.
Hart, recovering from a hernia operation in Hobart this week, disclosed that when he last spoke to Sheedy at a Hall of Fame dinner, "I thought there was something on the cards then''.
Hart, who took on coaching at Footscray at 31 with a recruiting budget of $75,000 ("we got Simon Beasley and three young blokes'') believes Sheedy would be worth what clubs were paying the others, while also raising another interesting scenario.
"Wasn't he the bloke who stepped in at the last moment and clinched Ben Cousins -- if he's not going to coach himself, who knows, he might want someone else to coach!''
Another motive! Who can tell with Sheeds.
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So, let me get this right. If we really read between the lines here, Sheedy is actually saying - give me the job, not the opportunity to pitch for the job.
He does not want the risk of being rejected twice before West Sydney come into the competition and apply the "Ron Barassi profile clause" to their coaching position.
It'll probably scare off that consortium.
Why don't you just say that Sheeds?
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So, let me get this right. If we really read between the lines here, Sheedy is actually saying - give me the job, not the opportunity to pitch for the job.
He does not want the risk of being rejected twice before West Sydney come into the competition and apply the "Ron Barassi profile clause" to their coaching position.
It'll probably scare off that consortium.
Why don't you just say that Sheeds?
because he is a self centered old fart who along with Kb has always put himself above the club.
He has spat the dummy because he realised he was going to get ataste of his own medicine, he was going to be dragged along the same way he has been dragging the rfc along for 27 years. Guess what? he didnt like the sound of that so he quit.
Pussy
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Well atleast the circus will end now and the real dealings in finding the next coach can go on behind closed doors...until of course it gets leaked into the media or by Jacko in OER lol.
Ramps, one thing is for certain.
The club will more than likely make the same mistakes as its done with the past 6 coaches that have FAILED.
What funny is this , everyone bagged Spud, ( you know the coach that got us to our last final series ) Reason Spud failed as he didnt have the support of the club and most of the people around him - they all new better and tried to under mine him- FACT.
With Wallace, the club beleived the crap proposal , gave him 5 years at $600,000 a year with NO measuring on his performance, who is too blame, THE CLUB.
And then "'behind the scenes"" they ask Wayne Campbell to come back to the club as he has been "'promised "" the gig in 2010.
God help this footy club.
Dont blame Sheeds for pulling the pin, the process down there is a joke.
People make decsions and arent accountable :banghead
If the club had any balls, go and offer Buckley the gig NOW, forget about the rubbish process. You will find the Buckley with Campbell as his assistant would be a good mix, they are best mates
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So, let me get this right. If we really read between the lines here, Sheedy is actually saying - give me the job, not the opportunity to pitch for the job.
He does not want the risk of being rejected twice before West Sydney come into the competition and apply the "Ron Barassi profile clause" to their coaching position.
It'll probably scare off that consortium.
Why don't you just say that Sheeds?
because he is a self centered old fart who along with Kb has always put himself above the club.
He has spat the dummy because he realised he was going to get ataste of his own medicine, he was going to be dragged along the same way he has been dragging the rfc along for 27 years. Guess what? he didnt like the sound of that so he quit.
Pussy
::) ::)
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Take your bucket and spade, Kev, and FO :gotigers
Interesting, another one of the OFB old farts brigade ::) in Royce has piped up as well.
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Well atleast the circus will end now and the real dealings in finding the next coach can go on behind closed doors...until of course it gets leaked into the media or by Jacko in OER lol.
Ramps, one thing is for certain.
The club will more than likely make the same mistakes as its done with the past 6 coaches that have FAILED.
What funny is this , everyone bagged Spud, ( you know the coach that got us to our last final series ) Reason Spud failed as he didnt have the support of the club and most of the people around him - they all new better and tried to under mine him- FACT.
With Wallace, the club beleived the crap proposal , gave him 5 years at $600,000 a year with NO measuring on his performance, who is too blame, THE CLUB.
And then "'behind the scenes"" they ask Wayne Campbell to come back to the club as he has been "'promised "" the gig in 2010.
God help this footy club.
Dont blame Sheeds for pulling the pin, the process down there is a joke.
People make decsions and arent accountable :banghead
If the club had any balls, go and offer Buckley the gig NOW, forget about the rubbish process. You will find the Buckley with Campbell as his assistant would be a good mix, they are best mates
The only facts I believe from you are that you said Sheedy would coach Richmond - FACT
But OH SO WRONG :wallywink
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Well atleast the circus will end now and the real dealings in finding the next coach can go on behind closed doors...until of course it gets leaked into the media or by Jacko in OER lol.
Ramps, one thing is for certain.
The club will more than likely make the same mistakes as its done with the past 6 coaches that have FAILED.
What funny is this , everyone bagged Spud, ( you know the coach that got us to our last final series ) Reason Spud failed as he didnt have the support of the club and most of the people around him - they all new better and tried to under mine him- FACT.
With Wallace, the club beleived the crap proposal , gave him 5 years at $600,000 a year with NO measuring on his performance, who is too blame, THE CLUB.
And then "'behind the scenes"" they ask Wayne Campbell to come back to the club as he has been "'promised "" the gig in 2010.
God help this footy club.
Dont blame Sheeds for pulling the pin, the process down there is a joke.
People make decsions and arent accountable :banghead
If the club had any balls, go and offer Buckley the gig NOW, forget about the rubbish process. You will find the Buckley with Campbell as his assistant would be a good mix, they are best mates
The only facts I believe from you are that you said Sheedy would coach Richmond - FACT
But OH SO WRONG :wallywink
Just shows how deluded you are.
All I said all along that Sheeds wanted the job. Not my fault that March and others have "personal" issues.
Now Moi and Froars, what happens to wayne Campbell now ?
I didnt promise him the gig in 2010 :banghead
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Well atleast the circus will end now and the real dealings in finding the next coach can go on behind closed doors...until of course it gets leaked into the media or by Jacko in OER lol.
Ramps, one thing is for certain.
The club will more than likely make the same mistakes as its dwith the past 6 coaches that have FAILED.
What funny is this , everyone bagged Spud, ( you know the coach that got us to our last final series ) Reason Spud failed as he didnt have the support of the club and most of the people around him - they all new better and tried to under mine him- FACT.
With Wallace, the club beleived the crap proposal , gave him 5 years at $600,000 a year with NO measuring on his performance, who is too blame, THE CLUB.
And then "'behind the scenes"" they ask Wayne Campbell to come back to the club as he has been "'promised "" the gig in 2010.
God help this footy club.
Dont blame Sheeds for pulling the pin, the process down there is a joke.
People make decsions and arent accountable :banghead
If the club had any balls, go and offer Buckley the gig NOW, forget about the rubbish process. You will find the Buckley with Campbell as his assistant would be a good mix, they are best mates
The only facts I believe from you are that you said Sheedy would coach Richmond - FACT
But OH SO WRONG :wallywink
Just shows how deluded you are.
All I said all along that Sheeds wanted the job. Not my fault that March and others have "personal" issues.
Now Moi and Froars, what happens to wayne Campbell now ?
I didnt promise him the gig in 2010 :banghead
Which one of us is deluded now
I've heard it all :rollin
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Now Moi and Froars, what happens to wayne Campbell now ?
Maybe the club will appoint him
Or maybe he will go out and get some coaching experience which is what he should have in the first place
Maybe he'll run off with Daffy into the sunset
Who cares what he does ::)
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Well atleast the circus will end now and the real dealings in finding the next coach can go on behind closed doors...until of course it gets leaked into the media or by Jacko in OER lol.
Ramps, one thing is for certain.
The club will more than likely make the same mistakes as its dwith the past 6 coaches that have FAILED.
What funny is this , everyone bagged Spud, ( you know the coach that got us to our last final series ) Reason Spud failed as he didnt have the support of the club and most of the people around him - they all new better and tried to under mine him- FACT.
With Wallace, the club beleived the crap proposal , gave him 5 years at $600,000 a year with NO measuring on his performance, who is too blame, THE CLUB.
And then "'behind the scenes"" they ask Wayne Campbell to come back to the club as he has been "'promised "" the gig in 2010.
God help this footy club.
Dont blame Sheeds for pulling the pin, the process down there is a joke.
People make decsions and arent accountable :banghead
If the club had any balls, go and offer Buckley the gig NOW, forget about the rubbish process. You will find the Buckley with Campbell as his assistant would be a good mix, they are best mates
The only facts I believe from you are that you said Sheedy would coach Richmond - FACT
But OH SO WRONG :wallywink
Just shows how deluded you are.
All I said all along that Sheeds wanted the job. Not my fault that March and others have "personal" issues.
Now Moi and Froars, what happens to wayne Campbell now ?
I didnt promise him the gig in 2010 :banghead
Which one of us is deluded now
I've heard it all :rollin
Dont know why I argue with idiots for. Have better things to do with my time
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Now Moi and Froars, what happens to wayne Campbell now ?
Maybe the club will appoint him
Or maybe he will go out and get some coaching experience which is what he should have in the first place
Maybe he'll run off with Daffy into the sunset
Who cares what he does ::)
i bet if he becomes coach you will be caring what he does make no mistake about that pal.
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Now Moi and Froars, what happens to wayne Campbell now ?
Maybe the club will appoint him
Or maybe he will go out and get some coaching experience which is what he should have in the first place
Maybe he'll run off with Daffy into the sunset
Who cares what he does ::)
Facts of the matter are this.
Wayne was contracted to be at the dogs this year 2009, but his management was contacted by the RFC to come back with the prospect of coaching the tiges in 2010.
Western Bulldogs released Wayne form his contract so he could come back to Punt Road.
Whats even more amazing is that you talk about Wayne and Nick in the same sentence, funny they dont even talk any more. :banghead
Shows what a compete imbecile you really are.
Might further add both Nick and Wayne are quality people, more than I can say about some ;)
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Now Moi and Froars, what happens to wayne Campbell now ?
Maybe the club will appoint him
Or maybe he will go out and get some coaching experience which is what he should have in the first place
Maybe he'll run off with Daffy into the sunset
Who cares what he does ::)
Facts of the matter are this.
Wayne was contracted to be at the dogs this year 2009, but his management was contacted by the RFC to come back with the prospect of coaching the tiges in 2010.
Western Bulldogs released Wayne form his contract so he could come back to Punt Road.
Whats even more amazing is that you talk about Wayne and Nick in the same sentence, funny they dont even talk any more. :banghead
Shows what a compete imbecile you really are.
Might further add both Nick and Wayne are quality people, more than I can say about some ;)
Show us some proof, Jack
Didn't we already have a coach
That means they were deliberately undermining Wallace before things started to go bad, before round one
Some pretty terrible accusations you're making, Jack
Put up or shut up, Jack
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Now Moi and Froars, what happens to wayne Campbell now ?
Maybe the club will appoint him
Or maybe he will go out and get some coaching experience which is what he should have in the first place
Maybe he'll run off with Daffy into the sunset
Who cares what he does ::)
i bet if he becomes coach you will be caring what he does make no mistake about that pal.
You're right, Daniel, I would be very worried >:(
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Now Moi and Froars, what happens to wayne Campbell now ?
Maybe the club will appoint him
Or maybe he will go out and get some coaching experience which is what he should have in the first place
Maybe he'll run off with Daffy into the sunset
Who cares what he does ::)
Facts of the matter are this.
Wayne was contracted to be at the dogs this year 2009, but his management was contacted by the RFC to come back with the prospect of coaching the tiges in 2010.
Western Bulldogs released Wayne form his contract so he could come back to Punt Road.
Whats even more amazing is that you talk about Wayne and Nick in the same sentence, funny they dont even talk any more. :banghead
Shows what a compete imbecile you really are.
Might further add both Nick and Wayne are quality people, more than I can say about some ;)
Show us some proof, Jack
Didn't we already have a coach
That means they were deliberately undermining Wallace before things started to go bad, before round one
Some pretty terrible accusations you're making, Jack
Put up or shut up, Jack
You are an idiot.
I have NOTHING to do with the RFC.
They make there own decisions
and they will more than likely make another coaching appointment mistake, now where is the your love child Terry Wallet for that matter
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Now Moi and Froars, what happens to wayne Campbell now ?
Maybe the club will appoint him
Or maybe he will go out and get some coaching experience which is what he should have in the first place
Maybe he'll run off with Daffy into the sunset
Who cares what he does ::)
Facts of the matter are this.
Wayne was contracted to be at the dogs this year 2009, but his management was contacted by the RFC to come back with the prospect of coaching the tiges in 2010.
Western Bulldogs released Wayne form his contract so he could come back to Punt Road.
Whats even more amazing is that you talk about Wayne and Nick in the same sentence, funny they dont even talk any more. :banghead
Shows what a compete imbecile you really are.
Might further add both Nick and Wayne are quality people, more than I can say about some ;)
Show us some proof, Jack
Didn't we already have a coach
That means they were deliberately undermining Wallace before things started to go bad, before round one
Some pretty terrible accusations you're making, Jack
Put up or shut up, Jack
Everyone knew that Wallace wouldnt coach the year out,. even Terry knew
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Now Moi and Froars, what happens to wayne Campbell now ?
Maybe the club will appoint him
Or maybe he will go out and get some coaching experience which is what he should have in the first place
Maybe he'll run off with Daffy into the sunset
Who cares what he does ::)
Facts of the matter are this.
Wayne was contracted to be at the dogs this year 2009, but his management was contacted by the RFC to come back with the prospect of coaching the tiges in 2010.
Western Bulldogs released Wayne form his contract so he could come back to Punt Road.
Whats even more amazing is that you talk about Wayne and Nick in the same sentence, funny they dont even talk any more. :banghead
Shows what a compete imbecile you really are.
Might further add both Nick and Wayne are quality people, more than I can say about some ;)
Show us some proof, Jack
Didn't we already have a coach
That means they were deliberately undermining Wallace before things started to go bad, before round one
Some pretty terrible accusations you're making, Jack
Put up or shut up, Jack
You are an idiot.
I have NOTHING to do with the RFC.
They make there own decisions
and they will more than likely make another coaching appointment mistake, now where is the your love child Terry Wallet for that matter
That's what I thought, FOS :help
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Now Moi and Froars, what happens to wayne Campbell now ?
Maybe the club will appoint him
Or maybe he will go out and get some coaching experience which is what he should have in the first place
Maybe he'll run off with Daffy into the sunset
Who cares what he does ::)
Facts of the matter are this.
Wayne was contracted to be at the dogs this year 2009, but his management was contacted by the RFC to come back with the prospect of coaching the tiges in 2010.
Western Bulldogs released Wayne form his contract so he could come back to Punt Road.
Whats even more amazing is that you talk about Wayne and Nick in the same sentence, funny they dont even talk any more. :banghead
Shows what a compete imbecile you really are.
Might further add both Nick and Wayne are quality people, more than I can say about some ;)
Show us some proof, Jack
Didn't we already have a coach
That means they were deliberately undermining Wallace before things started to go bad, before round one
Some pretty terrible accusations you're making, Jack
Put up or shut up, Jack
Everyone knew that Wallace wouldnt coach the year out,. even Terry knew
Considering we just missed the eight and were highly placed in most people's minds to make the eight, why was he a dead man walking "before" this season?
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Exactly my thoughts, I think he shot himself in the foot with that post!
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GARY MARCH SHOULD STEP DOWN ASAP. AND IF I WERE KB, I WOULD START THE CAMPAIGN TO GET RID OF MARCH
MARCH IS TROUBLE AND IS THE SELF CENTRED SOB NOT SHEEDY
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See this is classical Richmond.
At a time when the board, the management, the players, the members, supporters and sponsors need to get together and agree on a decision we have another wedge in the relationships going on at the club. So whoever gets the job now, a section of the club still wont be happy. Some will say the process was rigged and Sheeds should have been coach, the other section who want a young coach will be happy if its Hardwick, Buckley or Hird, - anyone else and they to will be unhappy.
Our club has turned what was supposed to be a professional process into another Richmond brothel.
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See this is classical Richmond.
At a time when the board, the management, the players, the members, supporters and sponsors need to get together and agree on a decision we have another wedge in the relationships going on at the club. So whoever gets the job now, a section of the club still wont be happy. Some will say the process was rigged and Sheeds should have been coach, the other section who want a young coach will be happy if its Hardwick, Buckley or Hird, - anyone else and they to will be unhappy.
Our club has turned what was supposed to be a professional process into another Richmond brothel.
Exactly what I said before and what I've been saying for the last three years
The interfering arseholes in the background to this club are the ones destroying it
Only at Richmond would a group of backroom boys ask for the club to make an "unfair" decision and do away with their coaching process and just put in one bloke.
If they call it unfair what the club is doing, they need to have a good hard look at themselves :banghead
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I think that Gary March Presidency is in real doubt. Who however can become Presidency and bring unity to the joint?
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I think that Gary March Presidency is in real doubt. Who however can become Presidency and bring unity to the joint?
I don't like the bloke, but I don't think he's been that bad
Been so many things the club has had to deal with this last year, more than Superman could handle I reckon and he's still batting okay.
He's not perfect but I don't see many people would be able to put up with all that's happened this year.
And I don't think he's the problem
I think it's your past players, coterie groups who think they know what's best and just undermine everything and everyone :banghead
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See this is classical Richmond.
At a time when the board, the management, the players, the members, supporters and sponsors need to get together and agree on a decision we have another wedge in the relationships going on at the club. So whoever gets the job now, a section of the club still wont be happy. Some will say the process was rigged and Sheeds should have been coach, the other section who want a young coach will be happy if its Hardwick, Buckley or Hird, - anyone else and they to will be unhappy.
Our club has turned what was supposed to be a professional process into another Richmond brothel.
only because ignorant fans cant see the forrest from the trees
GM has done exactly what he had to do in this situation.
Its not his fault that KB and Sheeds are imbeciles
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Well atleast the circus will end now and the real dealings in finding the next coach can go on behind closed doors...until of course it gets leaked into the media or by Jacko in OER lol.
Ramps, one thing is for certain.
The club will more than likely make the same mistakes as its done with the past 6 coaches that have FAILED.
What funny is this , everyone bagged Spud, ( you know the coach that got us to our last final series ) Reason Spud failed as he didnt have the support of the club and most of the people around him - they all new better and tried to under mine him- FACT.
With Wallace, the club beleived the crap proposal , gave him 5 years at $600,000 a year with NO measuring on his performance, who is too blame, THE CLUB.
And then "'behind the scenes"" they ask Wayne Campbell to come back to the club as he has been "'promised "" the gig in 2010.
God help this footy club.
Dont blame Sheeds for pulling the pin, the process down there is a joke.
People make decsions and arent accountable :banghead
If the club had any balls, go and offer Buckley the gig NOW, forget about the rubbish process. You will find the Buckley with Campbell as his assistant would be a good mix, they are best mates
The only facts I believe from you are that you said Sheedy would coach Richmond - FACT
But OH SO WRONG :wallywink
Just shows how deluded you are.
All I said all along that Sheeds wanted the job. Not my fault that March and others have "personal" issues.
Now Moi and Froars, what happens to wayne Campbell now ?
I didnt promise him the gig in 2010 :banghead
campbell wont get the job next year, so you are wrong there.
and sheedy did not get the job because of personal issues. So wrong again.
Jack, have you actually made a presiction that came true? because your srtike rate is 0.
Give it up
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See this is classical Richmond.
At a time when the board, the management, the players, the members, supporters and sponsors need to get together and agree on a decision we have another wedge in the relationships going on at the club. So whoever gets the job now, a section of the club still wont be happy. Some will say the process was rigged and Sheeds should have been coach, the other section who want a young coach will be happy if its Hardwick, Buckley or Hird, - anyone else and they to will be unhappy.
Our club has turned what was supposed to be a professional process into another Richmond brothel.
No it wasn't our Club.
It was an ex-player who, after a 20 year absence, thinks he knows best. Selfish as a player and hasn't changed.
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Wait for the past player and coterie sooks to have a cry come Monday morning now that their mate is out. Serves them right for publicly pushing his cause and putting pressure on and embarrassing the Club ::). The media will make a big deal about this but good on the Club for holding firm and not caving in. Part of the cultural change is generational change both on and off field :thumbsup.
Excellent post MT.
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http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/07/12/richmond-shouldnt-fall-for-media-intimidation/
By Michael DiFabrizio
The tail is again attempting to wag the dog at Richmond. Fresh from the Terry Wallace saga – where members of the playing group were alleged to have approached the head coach and asked him to resign – another group are now meddling in club affairs, the media.
In what has been widely described as an “orchestrated campaign”, former Tiger star and Essendon coach Kevin Sheedy last week announced he’ll put himself in the running for the vacant head coach position.
Club legend Kevin Bartlett, through his popular morning show on radio station SEN and in television interviews, has come out backing Sheedy.
Other Tiger legends such as Tom Hafey and Francis Bourke have been named as supporters of the push.
Journalist Patrick Smith wrote a lengthy article in The Australian joining the chorus.
There are a few factors that influence Sheedy’s credentials. He’s 61 at a time when there has been a notable shift towards younger coaches. Yet he’s also the man who took Essendon to 19 finals series and four premierships.
Deciding whether or not he’s the right man for the job is a delicate question.
But, at the end of the day, it’s a question that should be answered by the club and its in-depth process. It certainly shouldn’t be answered by a media-driven campaign.
That seems to be what the Sheedy camp are banking on – that, just like they did with Ben Cousins late last year, the Tiger faithful will all band together in support of their man and put insurmountable pressure on the club’s hierarchy.
The Richmond board (who are elected by the supporters, it must be remembered) shouldn’t have a bar of it.
Some of the best coaches in the game today slipped under the noses of the media. Some were even chosen ahead of past legends at those clubs.
Last year’s premiership coach Alastair Clarkson was chosen over a field that included ex-Hawthorn players because he was the clear standout during the selection process. Few people outside the club saw the choice coming.
The coach of this year’s ladder leaders St Kilda, Ross Lyon, similarly came out of nowhere to land his job. His competitors in the final phase of selection were all more well-known than him. Few people outside the club saw the choice coming.
Even the man chosen to replace Sheedy at Essendon, Matthew Knights, has been outperforming his expectations with the young Bombers list. Again, few people outside the club saw the choice coming.
Perhaps the best piece of evidence in support of having a thorough process comes from Richmond itself. The club has conceded there was little process involved in the hiring of Terry Wallace, he just appeared to be the best available coach.
Given how that turned out, it is imperative the Tigers find the right candidate.
If after all the interviews and input from experts, Kevin Sheedy is the right man for the job, then great – Kevin Sheedy should appointed coach of Richmond.
If there’s any influence beyond that process, through the media or otherwise, then it’s going to restrict the club from acting in its own best interests.
And if that happens, we can expect more of the same at Punt Rd.
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Well done to the RFC board for sticking to their due diligence.
Once Sheeds thought that he was not getting a free ride he pulled the pin.
That in itself will prove that the best candidate will be appointed who will strive to improve the RFC playing list.
The right candidate who is Sheeds would have increased memberships through the romance and myth of coming to Punt Rd had us scaling the pre season dizzy heights of hype and we would have come crashing down as we did on March 26 this year.
Kudos to the club for standing firm.
Sheedy forever the snake in the grass.
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Think I disagree with everything written about this subject. Haven't got the energy to argue all of it.
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Think I disagree with everything written about this subject. Haven't got the energy to argue all of it.
Then why did you bother to post that lol
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Now Moi and Froars, what happens to wayne Campbell now ?
Maybe the club will appoint him
Or maybe he will go out and get some coaching experience which is what he should have in the first place
Maybe he'll run off with Daffy into the sunset
Who cares what he does ::)
Facts of the matter are this.
Wayne was contracted to be at the dogs this year 2009, but his management was contacted by the RFC to come back with the prospect of coaching the tiges in 2010.
Western Bulldogs released Wayne form his contract so he could come back to Punt Road.
Whats even more amazing is that you talk about Wayne and Nick in the same sentence, funny they dont even talk any more. :banghead
Shows what a compete imbecile you really are.
Might further add both Nick and Wayne are quality people, more than I can say about some ;)
Show us some proof, Jack
Didn't we already have a coach
That means they were deliberately undermining Wallace before things started to go bad, before round one
Some pretty terrible accusations you're making, Jack
Put up or shut up, Jack
Everyone knew that Wallace wouldnt coach the year out,. even Terry knew
Considering we just missed the eight and were highly placed in most people's minds to make the eight, why was he a dead man walking "before" this season?
certainly says a lot about your intelligence if you thought finishing the year in 9th meant he wasn't a dead man walking.
fair dinkum some of you must have been hiding in Neverland the last 4 years.
It was his final year of 5 of which he has made the finals..........uumm let me see NOT ONCE.
We beat one side in the final 8 (Hawks) who ended up winning the flag.
Players have gone backwards in their development and some very stupid recruiting decisions which included Mclovin, Thompson, Hislop, and going back further Kingsley, Graham, P Bowden. That combined with the fact we still have JON and Schulz on our list.
Now i aint no rocket scientist but blind freddy can see that HE WAS A DEAD MAN WALKING.
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Dont waste your time explaining logic daniel
half the people here have no idea and dont even go to the games, they still expect Schulz to be our savior, lol
You would of that every applicate would have a fair hearing, thus this isnt the case.
Wouldnt think March would hold his position much longer.
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GARY MARCH SHOULD STEP DOWN ASAP. AND IF I WERE KB, I WOULD START THE CAMPAIGN TO GET RID OF MARCH
MARCH IS TROUBLE AND IS THE SELF CENTRED SOB NOT SHEEDY
TOTALLY AGREE.
Why wouldnt every applicate have the same opportunity if you were going to go through the process.
On your bike March,
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See this is classical Richmond.
At a time when the board, the management, the players, the members, supporters and sponsors need to get together and agree on a decision we have another wedge in the relationships going on at the club. So whoever gets the job now, a section of the club still wont be happy. Some will say the process was rigged and Sheeds should have been coach, the other section who want a young coach will be happy if its Hardwick, Buckley or Hird, - anyone else and they to will be unhappy.
Our club has turned what was supposed to be a professional process into another Richmond brothel.
Agree Ramps
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See this is classical Richmond.
At a time when the board, the management, the players, the members, supporters and sponsors need to get together and agree on a decision we have another wedge in the relationships going on at the club. So whoever gets the job now, a section of the club still wont be happy. Some will say the process was rigged and Sheeds should have been coach, the other section who want a young coach will be happy if its Hardwick, Buckley or Hird, - anyone else and they to will be unhappy.
Our club has turned what was supposed to be a professional process into another Richmond brothel.
only because ignorant fans cant see the forrest from the trees
GM has done exactly what he had to do in this situation.
Its not his fault that KB and Sheeds are imbeciles
But the reality is that the campaign on SEN created a wedge that was probably there anyways. Let me ask you this question - If Allan Richardson for example gets the gig- Do you believe he would have the support of the whole Richmond fraternity?
Personally I cant see it. Everyone has broken of into different directions.
- Some wanted Sheedy
- Some want Buckley
- Some want Malthouse
- Some want Hird
- Some want Hardwick
etc etc etc.
This is only my opinion, but because it has all happened as it has the only coach from that list that could unify everyone behind him is Malthouse but with Collingwood firing I cant see him leaving.
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Daniel, stop being such a bigot! It was not the 9th finish that got everyone excited, it was the promise of things to come! Now it didnt eventuate but we all we all thought it would, even you and youre mate Jack who were conspicious by your absenteeism once we strung a few wins together late last season.
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Think I disagree with everything written about this subject. Haven't got the energy to argue all of it.
Then why did you bother to post that lol
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Why argue with imbeciles like you Froars.
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Daniel, stop being such a bigot! It was not the 9th finish that got everyone excited, it was the promise of things to come! Now it didnt eventuate but we all we all thought it would, even you and youre mate Jack who were conspicious by your absenteeism once we strung a few wins together late last season.
English next time would be nice. :thumbsup
Perhaps those with goggles on thought it would.
Whilst i thought we had a better year than the one before that i was under no illusions like most on this site seem to be.
I will start getting excited when we start beating top 8 sides.
When we get rid of list cloggers.
When he we improve our disposal efficiency.
When we start leading the tackle count week in week out.
When i start seeing our players block, shepherd and play as a team not play for each other.
You are living in la la land if u start believing that promises made by the RFC offseason will turn into on field success. Bull poo talks my friend
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Daniel, stop being such a bigot! It was not the 9th finish that got everyone excited, it was the promise of things to come! Now it didnt eventuate but we all we all thought it would, even you and youre mate Jack who were conspicious by your absenteeism once we strung a few wins together late last season.
I got banned ::)
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Daniel, stop being such a bigot! It was not the 9th finish that got everyone excited, it was the promise of things to come! Now it didnt eventuate but we all we all thought it would, even you and youre mate Jack who were conspicious by your absenteeism once we strung a few wins together late last season.
I got banned ::)
Banned?
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Daniel, stop being such a bigot! It was not the 9th finish that got everyone excited, it was the promise of things to come! Now it didnt eventuate but we all we all thought it would, even you and youre mate Jack who were conspicious by your absenteeism once we strung a few wins together late last season.
I got banned ::)
Banned?
Yep, you mistook me for someone else, still banned from my work laptop, not home laptop. You can sort that out,
Just tried to log in on other laptop, its says X you are banned.lol
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Caro's on 3aw. She just thinks the whole scenario is sad. Sad for Sheedy. Sad that he didn't listen to the Club. Sad he couldn't rest on a great coaching career of 27 years and move on. That all this really was only pumped up by a few old ex-players and people like her dad. She even had an argument with her Dad who didn't like what she wrote in her article.
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Daniel, stop being such a bigot! It was not the 9th finish that got everyone excited, it was the promise of things to come! Now it didnt eventuate but we all we all thought it would, even you and youre mate Jack who were conspicious by your absenteeism once we strung a few wins together late last season.
I got banned ::)
Banned?
Yep, you mistook me for someone else, still banned from my work laptop, not home laptop. You can sort that out,
Just tried to log in on other laptop, its says X you are banned.lol
That'll teach you to log in under a different nic ;) :lol. Why didn't you email me or post from your home laptop? Anyway send me a PM now with the banned nic and I'll free up the IP address for your work laptop.
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Now Moi and Froars, what happens to wayne Campbell now ?
Maybe the club will appoint him
Or maybe he will go out and get some coaching experience which is what he should have in the first place
Maybe he'll run off with Daffy into the sunset
Who cares what he does ::)
Hilarious. Daffy and Campbell starring in Brokeback Mountain. But which one likes to be the taker??? I'm betting Campbell
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It may be too soon to call but Williams may replace Sheedy as a candidate given Ports performance against Melbourne today
On current form Melbourne may miss out on the priority pick, fair chance Freo will be on the bottom of the ladder after this week
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Just goes to show its those stars of the 60's and 70's both on and off the field at the RFC who can't get past the fact their playing days are over and the only way to justify that is by running the club behind the scenes to fulfill their long gone dreams of youth grandeur glory and self adulation.
I have a new found respect for Caro she showed some sort of genuine care and feeling for the RFC and what it needs to do in writing that article. Hence ppl like her old man and others have totally seen it as nonsense and have found reason to criticise it based on their own personal agendas.
Well done Caro and well done RFC.
Time for the retirement home players and people from RFC in the 60's and 70's.
This bird is ready to fly away.
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From the way the media were carrying on last night I was expecting some hardhitting story that made the Club come across as the bad guys. However reading the article this morning it displays an unflattering image of Sheeds from his comments. In fact those comments come across as someone very bitter. Actually the most bitter bits were about Melbourne. No idea what happened with Lyon and Hutchy has to do with the RFC.
The reality is virtually all AFL clubs in recent times (with the exception of Brisbane and Voss) have used a lengthy panel process to select a new senior coach so if you desperately want the job you're going to have accept it's part of the deal. No one is forcing anyone to go through the process so no point crying about having to go through it. If you are truly best man for the job then you will still come out on top at the end.
The older coaches also have to remember they were once a young coach starting out. Sheeds of all people should know that it was a young coach who turned a big 4 club with young players around that had been in a rut for many years.
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it was also Sheeds who flew to Perth to get Cousins, against the wishes of March. Interesting hey
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why do u like her like her?
i have seen better heads on dicks than on her shoulders, she thinks she knows it all but knows eff all, she tries to speak on behalf of others and bags who she wants but never ever criticises her dad for being the king of king eff ups
she just hates being made a fool and because she has said sheedy wont coach she will do whatever she can to make sure he dosnt so she can say....i told u so........
sheedy is the man for the job, no ifs buts or maybes
TT, what do Caro's looks have to do with journalism? I see you like playing the man (in this case the woman) and not the issue. You never gave me any basis to justify why you think Sheedy is the best man for the job.
Oh well, Sheeds himself pulled out of the race for the position with what I would call a flimsy excuse. He is now blaming it on March's comments that he says he hadnt heard. Comments said at a time when we had an incumbent coach. Maybe Sheedy didnt hear March last week saying he would welcome Sheedy appling for the position....
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why do u like her like her?
i have seen better heads on dicks than on her shoulders, she thinks she knows it all but knows eff all, she tries to speak on behalf of others and bags who she wants but never ever criticises her dad for being the king of king eff ups
she just hates being made a fool and because she has said sheedy wont coach she will do whatever she can to make sure he dosnt so she can say....i told u so........
sheedy is the man for the job, no ifs buts or maybes
Yep that's right have a go at a person's appearance. Typical.
Sheedy isn't the man for the job.
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Daniel, stop being such a bigot! It was not the 9th finish that got everyone excited, it was the promise of things to come! Now it didnt eventuate but we all we all thought it would, even you and youre mate Jack who were conspicious by your absenteeism once we strung a few wins together late last season.
I got banned ::)
Banned?
Yep, you mistook me for someone else, still banned from my work laptop, not home laptop. You can sort that out,
Just tried to log in on other laptop, its says X you are banned.lol
Keep up the good work One-Eyed ;) :rollin
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it was also Sheeds who flew to Perth to get Cousins, against the wishes of March. Interesting hey
And that proves he can still be a senior coach at AFL level in 2010 and beyond ???.
Look I'm no fan of March but Sheeds knew all along the Club wasn't interested in him as the next coach. Why does he pretend to act so surprised now. He should never had put his hand up and he should have told KB and co. to shut up and let the Club go through the selection process quietly with no fanfare until the final appointment is made. The club needs generational change and until these old foggies let go of their egos and their outdated grip on the club that can't happen. Their 60s/70s generation has had nearly 30 years to get this club back on track and they either stuff things up time and time again or they preferred to be elsewhere than at Richmond when the Tigers needed them. It's 2009 and they've had their time and it's time for the Club to move on. Without them if need be if that's their choice and they can't accept they way things are done now. Perhaps without them and their interferring ways is the best option for the RFC.
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i wouldnt think the gate has been shut yet. :rollin
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Bucks will be coaching RICHMOND 2010 and beyond ;)
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Bucks will be coaching RICHMOND 2010 and beyond ;)
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Bucks will be coaching RICHMOND 2010 and beyond ;)
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Bucks will be coaching RICHMOND 2010 and beyond ;)
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Bucks will be coaching RICHMOND 2010 and beyond ;)
TT you seem very adamant on this do you wanna explain your confidence that Buckley is our next coach
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i wouldnt think the gate has been shut yet. :rollin
Do you mean Sheeds will change his mind again lol or a Board challenge? If it's the latter then the Club will truly well be a laughing stock.
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I doubt coaches currently at other teams ie Malthouse and Coco will be put through Stage 1 of the process. I would envisage Stage 1 would be to filter the list down from 15 to something more managable like 5, then add in whatever coaches havent had their contracts resolved. I cant see Stage 2 commencing until the final 8 is made up.
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GARY MARCH SHOULD STEP DOWN ASAP. AND IF I WERE KB, I WOULD START THE CAMPAIGN TO GET RID OF MARCH
MARCH IS TROUBLE AND IS THE SELF CENTRED SOB NOT SHEEDY
What the? ............. Let me get this straight. In the HUN "interview" Sheedy says the Club is bigger than the individual but in the next sentence blames all of this on March because Sheeds wasn't aware of the comments March made pre-season? Who's blaming individuals now :banghead
And hello Sheeds what rock have you been living under exactly? How could you not be aware ...give me a break
Sheeds via KB and a number of other past players comes out and announcs he wants to coach Richmond. He conducts a campaign via the media hoping to gain (I would think) some massive wave of public support
No one said he couldn't apply for the job but if he did he'd have to go through the process like every other applicant.
TOTALLY AGREE.
Why wouldnt every applicate have the same opportunity if you were going to go through the process.
On your bike March,
You cannot be serious .... Sheeds was going to be given the exact same opportunity as everyone else to go through this bloody process
He has chosen not to now. He quit
Why?
If he is so confident in his own ability the thought of going through any sort of process becomes irrelevant.
Perhaps just maybe he botched things .... rather than conduct his agenda via the media maybe he should have quietly gone about it...
IMHO it is poor form on his part to suddenly be blaming the President and the Club for this fiasco
But hey then again that has sort of been the RFC way for a while now ...blame everyone else and take no personal responsibility
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He found out the club was going to give him the opportunity, just to keep face, but he wasnt going to get the job, YET ANOTHER LEAK from the titantic.
And secondly, after listening to Craig Camerons interview on 3AW yesterday, it was worse than his effort with Chris Newman 6 weeks ago.
This bloke is a disaster waiting to happen.
Doesnt matter who they appoint, the damage was done 5 years ago when we elected the Casey/Miller ticket.
Tell you what needs to change, not just a coach, but a complete clean out , President as well.
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He found out the club was going to give him the opportunity, just to keep face, but he wasnt going to get the job, YET ANOTHER LEAK from the titantic.
And secondly, after listening to Craig Camerons interview on 3AW yesterday, it was worse than his effort with Chris Newman 6 weeks ago.
This bloke is a disaster waiting to happen.
Doesnt matter who they appoint, the damage was done 5 years ago when we elected the Casey/Miller ticket.
Tell you what needs to change, not just a coach, but a complete clean out , President as well.
Jack - serious question
Did it actually dawn on Sheeds at any point that perhaps he wasn't an option when the Club asked him to sit on the commitete to select the coach.
Now you are a smart bloke - I reckon you would been able to read that one. Why couldn't Sheeds?
Sheeds had many opportunities to coach the RFC, the last one being 5 years ago and as always he chose not to come "home"
IMHO he stayed too long at the Bombers and his final couple of years but in particular his final year cost him dearly reputation wise. Hearing what his former players have been saying over the last 18 months about the way he ran things have basically guaranteed he wont coach again
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Interesting that you mention 5 years ago.
The deal was bascially signed, but Miller wouldnt approve and apposed it. The rest is history.
And if the club was looking for the best coach available, why wouldnt it let all candidates put there case forward, INSTEAD the leaks come out that is was just a token gesture to let him apply when he had no chance, is that fair, no
Not for the club , not for the supporters. . March has already got in his own mind who HE wants.
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The problem is with the club, god help who gets the job at coach as it will go down the path of previous coaches if things dont change.
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is that fair, no
Not for the club , not for the supporters. . March has already got in his own mind who HE wants.
What would you know about fairness Jack?
You've been shafting a bloke for three years, so you cry like a baby when your man gets the same treatment :clapping
And why this sudden concern for the club?
Something you haven't shown for three years
Every loss you celebrated and every win you went missing
:wallywink
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The problem is with the club, god help who gets the job at coach as it will go down the path of previous coaches if things dont change.
On this we agree
First place thing to change is the past players who think they are more importnat than they actually are
Caro made a very good point during the week about the past players...they have to support the person whoever it is this time. Not undermine from day 1 which is what they did with the last coach ;)
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is that fair, no
Not for the club , not for the supporters. . March has already got in his own mind who HE wants.
What would you know about fairness Jack?
You've been shafting a bloke for three years, so you cry like a baby when your man gets the same treatment :clapping
And why this sudden concern for the club?
Something you haven't shown for three years
Every loss you celebrated and every win you went missing
:wallywink
:gotigers :clapping :clapping :clapping :wallywink ;)
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He found out the club was going to give him the opportunity, just to keep face, but he wasnt going to get the job, YET ANOTHER LEAK from the titantic.
And secondly, after listening to Craig Camerons interview on 3AW yesterday, it was worse than his effort with Chris Newman 6 weeks ago.
This bloke is a disaster waiting to happen.
Doesnt matter who they appoint, the damage was done 5 years ago when we elected the Casey/Miller ticket.
Tell you what needs to change, not just a coach, but a complete clean out , President as well.
is this another predication jack? because I love march atm and I really think he is doing agreat job, so if you wanna predict that there is going to be a board spill and he is going to be sacked that would be ace because considering YOU HAVENT ACTUALLY GOT 1 OF YOUR PREDICTIONS RIGHT SO FAR, it would really fill me with confidence that he was safe, so having said that, is March gunna be replaced?
Please say yes :thumbsup ;)
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Lyon fires up at Sheedy claims
Andrea Petrie | July 13, 2009
GARRY Lyon has accused Kevin Sheedy of fabricating stories surrounding his unsuccessful application to be Melbourne coach in 2007 and said it was sad Sheedy had resorted to making claims that were "100 per cent wrong".
Sheedy said that he believed he had been wasting his time applying for the Melbourne coaching job and that Lyon, who was on the selection committee, hindered his chances of being appointed.
After revealing yesterday that he was pulling out of the Tigers coaching race because he believed the club did not want him, Sheedy said in a newspaper article that he was disillusioned by the application process for the Demons' job, which eventually went to Dean Bailey.
Sheedy accused Lyon of leaking his every move during the process to Channel Nine, which led to a reporter and camera crew showing up everywhere he went.
"The Melbourne interview was a total farce, with everywhere I went Craig Hutchison turning up," Sheedy reportedly said.
"It was obvious that Garry Lyon said this is where I'm going, this is what I'm doing. It was a Channel Nine soap opera.
"When you've been through that and clearly that's what happened … it was a waste of time."
But Lyon hit back yesterday stating that such a suggestion was "a little bit sad".
"You don't go around fabricating things like that, it's a sad, sad state of affairs if he genuinely thinks that," Lyon said.
"Don't get me wrong, he's a legend of the game and he's been a marvellous person for football, but he shouldn't go looking for things that aren't there and making accusations that are 100 per cent wrong.
"He's a street-fighter, Kev, and he likes to throw a couple, but he's a long, long way off the mark and I refute everything he's said because it's just not right. When a legend of the game reverts to those sort of things, it's a little bit sad."
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/lyon-denies-sheedy-claims/2009/07/12/1247337027838.html
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Should be an interesting Footy Classified tonight with both Lyon and Caro both having a go at Sheeds.
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Sheedy has gone down a lot in my estimation over the way he has gone about his coaching application. I don't like the way he has made himself out to be bigger than the club and used past players/the media to push his barrow. If he truly believed his in his own self-proclaimed messiah image then why was he so worried about the 'process'? And to now cry about spilt milk re: the Melbourne job? Poor form Sheeds, your status in the game deserved better than this last hurrah.
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Thank goodness for that!!!
Soft effort by Sheeds not to go through the process. Let's now find someone up to the task.
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TOTALLY AGREE.
Why wouldnt every applicate have the same opportunity if you were going to go through the process.
On your bike March,
What a effin joke.
You just shift the goalposts Jack. >:(
Fact is deep down Sheeds knows he is not up to the task otherwise he would have gone through this process.
This compromised excuse 'I didn't know Gary March..blah blah' is a soft out.
Look at what the Bombers players are saying re Knighter compared with Sheeds unfruitful final years at Essendon.
He had a great run but the modern game has caught up with this former great coach. Melbourne too saw his time is up.
How about channelling your energies towards something positive and help the RFC come together as one instead of being forever divisive. :banghead :banghead :banghead
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Sheedy has gone down a lot in my estimation over the way he has gone about his coaching application. I don't like the way he has made himself out to be bigger than the club and used past players/the media to push his barrow. If he truly believed his in his own self-proclaimed messiah image then why was he so worried about the 'process'? And to now cry about spilt milk re: the Melbourne job? Poor form Sheeds, your status in the game deserved better than this last hurrah.
the fact of the matter is that if sheeds was the best applicant for the job, he would get the job. He knows he isnt and hence when he realised he wasnt gunna be gifted the job, he pulled himself out of the race.
Gutless weak pr!ck
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TOTALLY AGREE.
Why wouldnt every applicate have the same opportunity if you were going to go through the process.
On your bike March,
What a effin joke.
You just shift the goalposts Jack. >:(
Fact is deep down Sheeds knows he is not up to the task otherwise he would have gone through this process.
This compromised 'I didn't know' is a soft out.
Look at what the Bombers players are saying re Knighter compared with Sheeds unfruitful final years at Essendon.
He had a great run but the modern game has caught up with this former great coach. Melbourne too saw his time is up.
How about channelling your energies towards something positive and help the RFC come together as one instead of being forever divisive. :banghead :banghead :banghead
unfortunately for jack and his mates sheeds and KB, due to the strength of Gary March and the board, they ( jack and sheeds and KB ) are now largely irrelevant.
We are on the right track
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He found out the club was going to give him the opportunity, just to keep face, but he wasnt going to get the job, YET ANOTHER LEAK from the titantic.
And secondly, after listening to Craig Camerons interview on 3AW yesterday, it was worse than his effort with Chris Newman 6 weeks ago.
This bloke is a disaster waiting to happen.
Doesnt matter who they appoint, the damage was done 5 years ago when we elected the Casey/Miller ticket.
Tell you what needs to change, not just a coach, but a complete clean out , President as well.
is this another predication jack? because I love march atm and I really think he is doing agreat job, so if you wanna predict that there is going to be a board spill and he is going to be sacked that would be ace because considering YOU HAVENT ACTUALLY GOT 1 OF YOUR PREDICTIONS RIGHT SO FAR, it would really fill me with confidence that he was safe, so having said that, is March gunna be replaced?
Please say yes :thumbsup ;)
March is doing an ordinary job, the handling of the snake oil salesman was a disgrace. Mate we are bottom 4 :banghead
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TOTALLY AGREE.
Why wouldnt every applicate have the same opportunity if you were going to go through the process.
On your bike March,
What a effin joke.
You just shift the goalposts Jack. >:(
Fact is deep down Sheeds knows he is not up to the task otherwise he would have gone through this process.
This compromised excuse 'I didn't know Gary March..blah blah' is a soft out.
Look at what the Bombers players are saying re Knighter compared with Sheeds unfruitful final years at Essendon.
He had a great run but the modern game has caught up with this former great coach. Melbourne too saw his time is up.
How about channelling your energies towards something positive and help the RFC come together as one instead of being forever divisive. :banghead :banghead :banghead
Answer me this, why has Wayne Campbell been promised the job ? ;)
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He found out the club was going to give him the opportunity, just to keep face, but he wasnt going to get the job, YET ANOTHER LEAK from the titantic.
And secondly, after listening to Craig Camerons interview on 3AW yesterday, it was worse than his effort with Chris Newman 6 weeks ago.
This bloke is a disaster waiting to happen.
Doesnt matter who they appoint, the damage was done 5 years ago when we elected the Casey/Miller ticket.
Tell you what needs to change, not just a coach, but a complete clean out , President as well.
is this another predication jack? because I love march atm and I really think he is doing agreat job, so if you wanna predict that there is going to be a board spill and he is going to be sacked that would be ace because considering YOU HAVENT ACTUALLY GOT 1 OF YOUR PREDICTIONS RIGHT SO FAR, it would really fill me with confidence that he was safe, so having said that, is March gunna be replaced?
Please say yes :thumbsup ;)
March is doing an ordinary job, the handling of the snake oil salesman was a disgrace. Mate we are bottom 4 :banghead
so are you predicted he is gunna be sacked?
Yes or No?
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TOTALLY AGREE.
Why wouldnt every applicate have the same opportunity if you were going to go through the process.
On your bike March,
What a effin joke.
You just shift the goalposts Jack. >:(
Fact is deep down Sheeds knows he is not up to the task otherwise he would have gone through this process.
This compromised 'I didn't know' is a soft out.
Look at what the Bombers players are saying re Knighter compared with Sheeds unfruitful final years at Essendon.
He had a great run but the modern game has caught up with this former great coach. Melbourne too saw his time is up.
How about channelling your energies towards something positive and help the RFC come together as one instead of being forever divisive. :banghead :banghead :banghead
unfortunately for jack and his mates sheeds and KB, due to the strength of Gary March and the board, they ( jack and sheeds and KB ) are now largely irrelevant.
We are on the right track
right on track to win the spoon, Great job Richmond :banghead :banghead :banghead :clapping
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TOTALLY AGREE.
Why wouldnt every applicate have the same opportunity if you were going to go through the process.
On your bike March,
What a effin joke.
You just shift the goalposts Jack. >:(
Fact is deep down Sheeds knows he is not up to the task otherwise he would have gone through this process.
This compromised excuse 'I didn't know Gary March..blah blah' is a soft out.
Look at what the Bombers players are saying re Knighter compared with Sheeds unfruitful final years at Essendon.
He had a great run but the modern game has caught up with this former great coach. Melbourne too saw his time is up.
How about channelling your energies towards something positive and help the RFC come together as one instead of being forever divisive. :banghead :banghead :banghead
Answer me this, why has Wayne Campbell been promised the job ? ;)
he hasnt been promised anything, and he wont get the job next year, so again, you are WRONG.
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He found out the club was going to give him the opportunity, just to keep face, but he wasnt going to get the job, YET ANOTHER LEAK from the titantic.
And secondly, after listening to Craig Camerons interview on 3AW yesterday, it was worse than his effort with Chris Newman 6 weeks ago.
This bloke is a disaster waiting to happen.
Doesnt matter who they appoint, the damage was done 5 years ago when we elected the Casey/Miller ticket.
Tell you what needs to change, not just a coach, but a complete clean out , President as well.
is this another predication jack? because I love march atm and I really think he is doing agreat job, so if you wanna predict that there is going to be a board spill and he is going to be sacked that would be ace because considering YOU HAVENT ACTUALLY GOT 1 OF YOUR PREDICTIONS RIGHT SO FAR, it would really fill me with confidence that he was safe, so having said that, is March gunna be replaced?
Please say yes :thumbsup ;)
March is doing an ordinary job, the handling of the snake oil salesman was a disgrace. Mate we are bottom 4 :banghead
so are you predicted he is gunna be sacked?
Yes or No?
How can he be sacked when its not a paid job? YOUR A CLOWN
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TOTALLY AGREE.
Why wouldnt every applicate have the same opportunity if you were going to go through the process.
On your bike March,
What a effin joke.
You just shift the goalposts Jack. >:(
Fact is deep down Sheeds knows he is not up to the task otherwise he would have gone through this process.
This compromised excuse 'I didn't know Gary March..blah blah' is a soft out.
Look at what the Bombers players are saying re Knighter compared with Sheeds unfruitful final years at Essendon.
He had a great run but the modern game has caught up with this former great coach. Melbourne too saw his time is up.
How about channelling your energies towards something positive and help the RFC come together as one instead of being forever divisive. :banghead :banghead :banghead
Answer me this, why has Wayne Campbell been promised the job ? ;)
he hasnt been promised anything, and he wont get the job next year, so again, you are WRONG.
You might find he was promised, thus his release from his contract at the Western Bulldogs. Clubs wouldnt release coaches from an assistants role to go to another assistants role, how stupid are you. ::)
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TOTALLY AGREE.
Why wouldnt every applicate have the same opportunity if you were going to go through the process.
On your bike March,
What a effin joke.
You just shift the goalposts Jack. >:(
Fact is deep down Sheeds knows he is not up to the task otherwise he would have gone through this process.
This compromised excuse 'I didn't know Gary March..blah blah' is a soft out.
Look at what the Bombers players are saying re Knighter compared with Sheeds unfruitful final years at Essendon.
He had a great run but the modern game has caught up with this former great coach. Melbourne too saw his time is up.
How about channelling your energies towards something positive and help the RFC come together as one instead of being forever divisive. :banghead :banghead :banghead
Answer me this, why has Wayne Campbell been promised the job ? ;)
he hasnt been promised anything, and he wont get the job next year, so again, you are WRONG.
You might find he was promised, thus his release from his contract at the Western Bulldogs. Clubs wouldnt release coaches from an assistants role to go to another assistants role, how stupid are you. ::)
If he didn't get it in writing then more fool him :wallywink
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TOTALLY AGREE.
Why wouldnt every applicate have the same opportunity if you were going to go through the process.
On your bike March,
What a effin joke.
You just shift the goalposts Jack. >:(
Fact is deep down Sheeds knows he is not up to the task otherwise he would have gone through this process.
This compromised excuse 'I didn't know Gary March..blah blah' is a soft out.
Look at what the Bombers players are saying re Knighter compared with Sheeds unfruitful final years at Essendon.
He had a great run but the modern game has caught up with this former great coach. Melbourne too saw his time is up.
How about channelling your energies towards something positive and help the RFC come together as one instead of being forever divisive. :banghead :banghead :banghead
Answer me this, why has Wayne Campbell been promised the job ? ;)
he hasnt been promised anything, and he wont get the job next year, so again, you are WRONG.
You might find he was promised, thus his release from his contract at the Western Bulldogs. Clubs wouldnt release coaches from an assistants role to go to another assistants role, how stupid are you. ::)
you are calling me stupid
you have been shooting your mouth off for the last 5 years and havent got 1 prediction right, and I'm stupid. No wonder your voluntary unpaid work was no longer required by the rfc, you arent very bright are you jack, or is that tigerinthetank or whatever you wanna call yourself, go crawl under a rock like your mates sheeds and KB.
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TOTALLY AGREE.
Why wouldnt every applicate have the same opportunity if you were going to go through the process.
On your bike March,
What a effin joke.
You just shift the goalposts Jack. >:(
Fact is deep down Sheeds knows he is not up to the task otherwise he would have gone through this process.
This compromised excuse 'I didn't know Gary March..blah blah' is a soft out.
Look at what the Bombers players are saying re Knighter compared with Sheeds unfruitful final years at Essendon.
He had a great run but the modern game has caught up with this former great coach. Melbourne too saw his time is up.
How about channelling your energies towards something positive and help the RFC come together as one instead of being forever divisive. :banghead :banghead :banghead
Answer me this, why has Wayne Campbell been promised the job ? ;)
he hasnt been promised anything, and he wont get the job next year, so again, you are WRONG.
You might find he was promised, thus his release from his contract at the Western Bulldogs. Clubs wouldnt release coaches from an assistants role to go to another assistants role, how stupid are you. ::)
you are calling me stupid
you have been shooting your mouth off for the last 5 years and havent got 1 prediction right, and I'm stupid. No wonder your voluntary unpaid work was no longer required by the rfc, you arent very bright are you jack, or is that tigerinthetank or whatever you wanna call yourself, go crawl under a rock like your mates sheeds and KB.
Your funny, wasnt unpaid for starters.
I just better look at the ladder to see where we are, just excuse me or a minute :wallywink
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Answer me this, why has Wayne Campbell been promised the job ? ;)
I thought Sheeds had the job sewn up? ;)
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Answer me this, why has Wayne Campbell been promised the job ? ;)
I thought Sheeds had the job sewn up? ;)
Good question lol
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who knows?
One thing though, I am sick and tired of not being successful and not playing finals, that is something we all agree on.
And we are playing finals and arent being successful, you need changes.
There needs to be a complete change of Culture and roles at the club. We all agree ???
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There needs to be a complete change of Culture and roles at the club. We all agree ???
Yes, definitely agree
Get rid of all the troublemakers around the club who jump on internet sites and start trashing the joint
That's a culture we definitely don't need :banghead
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One thing though, I am sick and tired of not being successful and not playing finals, that is something we all agree on.
And we are playing finals and arent being successful, you need changes.
I totally agree and that is why we are having a comprehensive review of the football department!
Off field we haven't been in such good shape for years.
Craigieburn.
Record memberships.
Reducing depts.
Aborininal Institute.
Punt Road Redevelopment.
etc. etc. etc.
This is the realm of March and Wright & the board. They are kicking goals on this front.
We finally seem to have a professional team in place.
There are some positive signs on field for the future IMO. It seems we have finally opened our eyes that there are no shortcuts.
Desperately need to get this right but give them a chance to fix what's been broke since before they were there for the past 5 years.
There needs to be a complete change of Culture and roles at the club. We all agree ???
You talk about culture.
Well a change of culture means that splintered factions put their tail between their legs and put faith in those who are trying to genuinely steer this pooheap in the right direction.
We don't need change Jackie..we need support and unification.
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Great post MM, agree 110%. :clapping
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some people seemto have backed the wrong horse. :lol
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You talk about culture.
Well a change of culture means that splintered factions put their tail between their legs and put faith in those who are trying to genuinely steer this pooheap in the right direction.
We don't need change Jackie..we need support and unification.
Aint that the truth and wouldn't it make a bloody good change :clapping
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One thing though, I am sick and tired of not being successful and not playing finals, that is something we all agree on.
And we are playing finals and arent being successful, you need changes.
I totally agree and that is why we are having a comprehensive review of the football department!
Off field we haven't been in such good shape for years.
Craigieburn.
Record memberships.
Reducing depts.
Aborininal Institute.
Punt Road Redevelopment.
etc. etc. etc.
This is the realm of March and Wright & the board. They are kicking goals on this front.
We finally seem to have a professional team in place.
There are some positive signs on field for the future IMO. It seems we have finally opened our eyes that there are no shortcuts.
Desperately need to get this right but give them a chance to fix what's been broke since before they were there for the past 5 years.
There needs to be a complete change of Culture and roles at the club. We all agree ???
You talk about culture.
Well a change of culture means that splintered factions put their tail between their legs and put faith in those who are trying to genuinely steer this pooheap in the right direction.
We don't need change Jackie..we need support and unification.
:clapping
Whell said and very timely MM.
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Walls asked Lloyd on OWAAT if Sheeds could still be a senior coach at AFL level?
Lloyd replied not at Richmond. Sheeds would be better suited to the new teams such as Western Sydney.
Lloyd said he always thought the younger coach was the way to go. At Essendon in the latter years under Sheeds they struggled with the gameplan and handling flooding, zoning, etc. He also said the development of the younger guys coming through helps too.
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Walls asked Lloyd on OWAAT if Sheeds could still be a senior coach at AFL level?
Lloyd replied not at Richmond. Sheeds would be better suited to the new teams such as Western Sydney.
Lloyd said he always thought the younger coach was the way to go. At Essendon in the latter years under Sheeds they struggled with the gameplan and handling flooding, zoning, etc. He also said the development of the younger guys coming through helps too.
A common theme from Bomber players.
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Sheedy past coaching top side, says Lloyd
Samantha Lane | July 14, 2009
MATTHEW Lloyd last night said that Kevin Sheedy lost his magic touch in his final years at Essendon, claimed that he struggled to cope with the demands of the modern game, and said that his former mentor would not fit as a senior coach of any Melbourne side.
In an interview on One HD's One Week at a Time, Lloyd was questioned about his old mentor, who this week pulled out of the coaching race at Richmond, and said that in Sheedy's later years the Bombers struggled to deal with tactics such as flooding.
Lloyd, Sheedy's captain in his final two seasons at the club, also said there were problems with the former coach's game plan and style.
Asked by panellist Robert Walls whether Sheedy had lost it as a coach in his final four or five years at Windy Hill, Lloyd said: "Maybe for the older players he did, but I wouldn't say for the younger players, they basically didn't know any different.
"There were a few technical type of things, maybe numbers behind the ball and flooding and all those type of things that we probably struggled to deal with. But also, in the influx of younger players coming through, the game has … helped us beat that tactic … so it can have to do with your personnel."
Lloyd confessed he began to think late in Sheedy's reign that a younger coach would be better for the Dons and that he now sees him as a viable coaching option only for one of the new AFL teams.
"Not at Richmond. I think ideally for one of the Western Sydney and Gold Coast (teams)," Lloyd said when asked whether Sheedy was still capable of senior coaching next year.
"I felt as time went on that maybe the younger coaches were the way to go and so Matthew Knights has been ideal for our group, but for one of the growing sides I'd say yes, but for a Melbourne side I'd say no."
Sheedy publicly announced his desire to be the next Richmond coach but the 27-season Essendon coach announced that he was withdrawing his application on the weekend.
"At no stage would I really want to be coaching while Gary March is president," said Sheedy. "I didn't realise he had said on The Footy Show that I would not coach while he is there.
"I feel awkward that I've embarrassed myself and the club. I had not known that was said. I'm putting my hand down so I don't cause a revolution. I actually thought I'd be a revelation."
Sheedy did not rule out a return to coaching at some stage. "I could easily say give me a ring in two or three years I'll only still be a baby."
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/sheedy-past-it-says-lloyd/2009/07/13/1247337079359.html
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Lloyds comments (which have been echoed by so many other Bomber players) is the reason why Sheedy was never going to coach Richmond.
What is sad is that these comments are being played out in the media. But I suppose when you launch your campaign via the media you are going to cop it
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Lloyds comments (which have been echoed by so many other Bomber players) is the reason why Sheedy was never going to coach Richmond.
What is sad is that these comments are being played out in the media. But I suppose when you launch your campaign via the media you are going to cop it
its common knowledage that sheeds is finished
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Never been a fan of Lloyds but I appreciate an honest assessment of Sheeds from a person in the best position to know.
Although some will say he is biased as Sheeds wanted to trade him I suppose
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add Wayne to the growing list.
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add Wayne to the growing list.
I'm just not ready for the responsibility :lol
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All well with Sheeds: Tigers
richmondfc.com.au
By Jason Phelan 2:34 PM Fri 17 July, 2009
DESPITE the messy nature of Kevin Sheedy's withdrawal from the Richmond coaching hunt, chief executive Steven Wright maintains there has been no need for a round of fence-mending with the club great.
Sheedy briefly put his hand up for the job before withdrawing his candidacy, citing his distaste for the interview process put in place by the club.
He returned from holidaying in Fiji with his wife to be at the launch of Sunday's Eureka clash between the Tigers and North Melbourne in his ambassadorial role for the club, but he refused to comment on the issue.
Wright, however, maintained all was good between the two parties and would continue to be so.
"Kevin is a great legend of our footy club, he's a member of the hall of fame, he's always welcome at the club and he's here today as an ambassador for the Eureka game," Wright said.
"He will be an ambassador for the Richmond Football Club in the future as he is now.
"Life goes on, we move on together and we look forward to Kevin playing a proactive role at the footy club.
"We're all here for the common good of the Richmond Football Club and we're working together through initiatives like the Eureka game to grow the club and Kevin is fully supportive of that. I'm looking forward to working with him."
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/80851/default.aspx
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Sheedy keeps eye on the ball
Sam Lienert, Ballarat | July 18, 2009
RICHMOND is confident Kevin Sheedy has no lingering discontent with the club over his bid for the senior coaching job, but he has refused to commit to remaining a Tigers ambassador beyond this season.
Sheedy spoke publicly yesterday for the first time since he announced last weekend that he was backing down from his much-publicised bid to take the coaching reins at Tigerland next season.
Sheedy said at the time that he felt he had "embarrassed myself and the club" by going for the job, having subsequently learnt of a past interview in which Richmond president Gary March said he would not coach the club.
Sheedy and Richmond chief executive Steven Wright spoke in Ballarat yesterday at a media conference to promote tomorrow's Eureka game against North Melbourne. But the four-time Essendon premiership coach deflected questions on whether he was unhappy with the way the situation had been handled and whether he was willing to stay on as a Richmond ambassador.
"I'm really only here to talk about this match, a most important match for Ballarat," Sheedy said when initially asked about the situation. "Don't worry about my coaching."
When asked whether he remained happy to be an ambassador for the club, he again declined to answer. "I'm very happy at 61 years of age, but you did not hear what I just said," he said.
Pressed further, he said: "It doesn't concern me that much, that's all.
"Kevin Bartlett asked me (if I was interested in the job). I said, 'yes, I would (be)'; that's how I felt. I'm not going to worry about that, that's all I want to talk about it."
Bartlett, Richmond's games record-holder and former coach, led the public push for the Tigers to consider Sheedy.
But Wright said the Tigers were confident the confusion over the coaching bid had not soured the relationship between the club and Sheedy, a three-time Richmond premiership player.
"Kevin's a great legend of our footy club, he's a member of the hall of fame, he's here today as an ambassador for the Eureka game and he will be an ambassador of the Richmond Football Club in the future, as he is now," Wright said. "Life goes on, we move on together and we're looking forward to Kevin playing a proactive role at the footy club."
He said the Richmond hierarchy did not feel there was any awkwardness that needed to be smoothed over. "Not at all. We're here for the common good of the Richmond footy club and we're working together through issues such as this Eureka game to grow the club and Kevin's fully supportive of that and we look forward to working with him," he said.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/sheedy-keeps-eye-on-ball/2009/07/17/1247337266253.html
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Gary March denies disrespecting Sheedy
Guy Hand
July 20, 2009 - 10:09PM
Richmond president Gary March has denied showing a lack of respect to Kevin Sheedy in demanding he go through the AFL club's recruiting process if he wanted to become coach.
Sheedy briefly indicated his interest in coaching the Tigers this month before withdrawing from the race, saying he sensed the club didn't want him as coach.
Sheedy works in an ambassadorial role for the club he played for with distinction, prior to a decorated coaching career at Essendon where he won four premierships.
March said he would have been happy for the 61-year-old to throw his hat in the ring to coach at the Tigers.
But March said it was Sheedy's decision not to enter what the club says will be a rigorous search for its new coach, and denied the Tigers had shown him a lack of respect by making him jump through hoops.
"Early in the year when we spoke about it, Kevin indicated he wasn't interested in coaching at that time," March told Fox Sports' On the Couch program.
"(Now) he's changed his mind. We offered him to come through the process. He's withdrawn from the process.
"We're disappointed about that. We'd have liked him to come through the process."
March said he had spoken to Sheedy since and believed they had cleared the air about the aborted coaching bid.
Sheedy deflected questions about the Richmond coaching drama last week, and also refused to publicly commit to remaining a Tigers ambassador beyond this season.
March said the Tigers were going into the recruiting process to find Terry Wallace's replacement with an open mind and a long list of good applicants.
"We're going to have 12 or 13 people we're going to interview and it could be any one of those 12 or 13," March said.
"We want to go through our full process, make sure we've interviewed everyone, put them through a rigorous process, and make sure we get the best man for the Richmond Football Club."
http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-news-sport/gary-march-denies-disrespecting-sheedy-20090720-dqvz.html
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I would like to know why Sheedy was at our game and taking notes.
Just like he would if he was at a match who his team was going to play next.
So is he taking these notes for us, on who he will keep or is he taking notes for the player to watch out for if he take the Roo's job.
Just seemed strange to me him taking notes at the game.
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I would like to know why Sheedy was at our game and taking notes.
Just like he would if he was at a match who his team was going to play next.
So is he taking these notes for us, on who he will keep or is he taking notes for the player to watch out for if he take the Roo's job.
Just seemed strange to me him taking notes at the game.
Loves a punt does Kevin. Probably trying to pick the winner of the next in Melbourne. ;)
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I would like to know why Sheedy was at our game and taking notes.
Just like he would if he was at a match who his team was going to play next.
So is he taking these notes for us, on who he will keep or is he taking notes for the player to watch out for if he take the Roo's job.
Just seemed strange to me him taking notes at the game.
Loves a punt does Kevin. Probably trying to pick the winner of the next in Melbourne. ;)
Maybe he is a dark horse for a coaching job at the Sh1tboners.
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Some snippets from Sheeds chat on the Herald-Sun site...
12:23 [Comment From brendon]
WOULD YOU TAKE THE RICHMOND CLUB IF THEY ASKED YOU?
12:27 I shouldn't even go near the answering of that question. It could upset and annoy too many people and I don't need to do that, because it's what happens when half the club may want you and half may not. I will keep my mind on building my own business. It's been great to do that in the last year or two. If I can get my life in the business world up and running and really flying, that will be fantastic. Footy is a big part of that, but as I said when I lefft Essendon, I have been let out of a cage. Its been terrific to see the world, and most of Australia
12:27 [Comment From Trent]
Hi Kevin. How long do you think the unsuccessful era for Richmond will continue to go on for?
12:30 Any club can turn it around. It's just difficult with the decisions you make now, plus the decisions the AFL will make with the new teams coming into the AFL. Where will the players come from to create that?
They have some terrific young players coming through which is a credit to them, and in 1992 Essendon played Hawthorn and the scoreline was 216 to 56. We got thumped. Exactly 27 games later we won the flag.It's what you can do if you have your wits about you. You never ever ever give up in this game. Go Tigers
12:49 [Comment From Razor]
Kevin, what kind of player do Richmond most desperately need?
12:50 They need a player like Riewoldt up one end, and a young Fletcher or Scarlett down the other end. A key forward and a key back, and they probably had opportunities to get those. They could have even picked up Zac Dawson, and Buddy too. So they have had those chances. We picked up Gumbleton who isn't playing, so injuries happen. Also Lachie Hansen too. So its not an exact science. It's why I laugh at tanking.
12:50 [Comment From J HIRD]
COACH SHOULD I COACH AND AT WHAT CLUB?
12:51 Hi Hirdy. Look, if you were James Hird, Sydney would have been perfect. But when everyone feels you are not in the position to coach you will keep missing great jobs. Failing that, everyone is happy with Matthew Knights. Perhaps he can coach there down the track. Don't forget, the Tigers too!!!!
12:57 [Comment From Guest]
G'day Sheeds ... Would Barry Hall be useful at Richmond for a year? It would give Robin Nahas somewhere to hide at least ....
12:58 Well, at the moment everything is thrust upon Jack Riewoldt and Mitch Morton, so it might not be a terrible idea. But how many years would Hall play? How much would he be? If not are we not just doing what has been done at Richmond in the last five years. When you have a team like St Kilda, they topped off their list. The ruckmen have helped them get to the top. It's the cream. That is how Sydney did it.
Possibly St Kilda might get in becasue of it. Geelong went the other way. It just depends on the philosophy of the board.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25939933-19742,00.html
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Kevin Sheedy remains highly unlikely to stay with the Tigers in his membership and marketing role.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/rfnews/coaching-merrygoround-spins-on/2009/08/26/1251001942736.html
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Kevin Sheedy remains highly unlikely to stay with the Tigers in his membership and marketing role.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/rfnews/coaching-merrygoround-spins-on/2009/08/26/1251001942736.html
Not sure why that would appear in an article about the "coaching merry go round" :P
Oops sorry, yes I do how silly of me ;D
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its no secret that hardwick and sheeds dont get along
hardwick didnt even mention sheeds as an influence on him at all lol
oh well just as hardwick said, its all about now and the future, not the past
im sure sheeds will keep busy
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its no secret that hardwick and sheeds dont get along
hardwick didnt even mention sheeds as an influence on him at all lol
oh well just as hardwick said, its all about now and the future, not the past
im sure sheeds will keep busy
That may or may not be the case but Sheedy talked him up big time yesterday so it can't be all bad.
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its no secret that hardwick and sheeds dont get along
hardwick didnt even mention sheeds as an influence on him at all lol
oh well just as hardwick said, its all about now and the future, not the past
im sure sheeds will keep busy
That may or may not be the case but Sheedy talked him up big time yesterday so it can't be all bad.
he cant exactly talk him down can he
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its no secret that hardwick and sheeds dont get along
hardwick didnt even mention sheeds as an influence on him at all lol
oh well just as hardwick said, its all about now and the future, not the past
im sure sheeds will keep busy
That may or may not be the case but Sheedy talked him up big time yesterday so it can't be all bad.
he cant exactly talk him down can he
Why not?
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Sheeds yesterday talking about Richmond ....
Q. How good are the tiges?
KS: They are exciting! I'm really enjoying watching them play. Really enjoying watching the Tigers fans. God help the AFL when they get into the eight. They'll have 50,000 fans going nuts. There will be Tigers on the prowl walking home from the G like they used to 25 years ago. Little kids with yellow and black painted faces, you can see the smiles on their faces.
Already Damien Hardwick has said he wanted Dustin Martin as his first pick. He wanted Ben Griffiths. David Astbury has played games. Ben Nason at pick 71. Already four young players, straight into a young side. He's pruned the bush in letting go senior players. And they won without Cousins on the weekend. Cousins does the good things on the field, he really helps his teammates out. He gives off a lot of ball to players running past and into space.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/live-chat-with-kevin-sheedy/story-e6frf9jf-1225890698042