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Re: Essendon has spoken to Simon Matthews about becoming their next CEO: Caro
« Reply #30 on: October 05, 2022, 08:14:12 AM »
Yet another example of the ongoing battle between the nutcase woke lefties and the nutcase conservative Christians.

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Re: Essendon has spoken to Simon Matthews about becoming their next CEO: Caro
« Reply #31 on: October 05, 2022, 09:49:51 AM »
Link below is an interesting read.

Forget his religious beliefs

Think his record as CEO of the NAB should have raised a few red flags

https://www.afr.com/rear-window/god-saved-essendon-from-andrew-thorburn-20221004-p5bn6n

So what’s the issue exactly? He didn’t know his staff was defrauding the bank?

Funny I never heard you mention such behavior when it happens to certain other people but now it’s an issue that raises “red” flags.

You make me laugh sometimes. It sounds like you are reaching as you have nothing else to give.

Gee I don't know ::)

I suppose being the CEO while the bank charged people $650 million in fees for no services and saying it was just carelessness is no biggie. Or did you miss that bit? Or don't you think he should be accountable for that?

Surely, the EFC should have done their due diligence on ALL aspects of this bloke before hiring him? Or don't you think they or any organisation should?

You make me laugh too, with your consistency in only picking out the bits of any article that suits your narrative.

Accountable? You really want to go there with that word? Please don’t make me laugh. Last time I checked he doesn’t have a job at NAB or did I get that wrong  😑  He was held to account as he should.

You sought to bring up his previous occupation as evidence he was no good at the job he was hired to do. Fair enough if his outside interests didn’t align with the club, but plenty others are still in power which you have not mentioned.
 
Just for any avoidance of doubt here are some facts.
 
He was head of NAB for 2-3 years prior to the start of the royal commission. The “pioneer” for woman in finance Gail Kelly was head of Westpac for 10 and presided over the largest breach of money launderying that went straight to pedos and criminals. We heard crickets from you there.
 
Current Ceo’s at ANZ and CBA were all around prior to the RC, and still are today.
We heard crickets from you. I dare say you probably still bank with one of them which makes it even more hypocritical.

Current state government and the red shirts scandal and other defrauding of the tax payer scandals that went on. Once again we heard crickets comment. You must be okay with the word accountability as it doesn’t align.



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Re: Essendon has spoken to Simon Matthews about becoming their next CEO: Caro
« Reply #32 on: October 05, 2022, 09:57:16 AM »
Bachar Houli accepting a prize from australian imams council.
 
https://www.stevedabliz.com/great-achievers-one-all/
 
this is their position on abortion.
 
https://www.anic.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/THE-ISLAMIC-POSITION-ON-ABORTION.pdf
 
This is their position on homosexuality
 
http://www.anic.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Islams-Clear-Position-on-Homosexuality.pdf
 
:shh :shh

I seldom step inside any church, but anyone who isolates the Christian faith and disregards the others have no idea. Obviously one religion has more followers so you expect more issues.

To not be able to hold a position of power due to beliefs of the church he goes to is pathetic. Andrew’s is a devout catholic so let’s strip him of the role should we?

I would say the same if it was any religion.
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Re: Essendon has spoken to Simon Matthews about becoming their next CEO: Caro
« Reply #33 on: October 05, 2022, 11:47:25 AM »
Yet another example of the ongoing battle between the nutcase woke lefties and the nutcase conservative Christians.

The white male christian victim complex that some clowns are displaying is embarrassing. This guy was in charge of one of the most powerful financial institutions in AUS (ripping of thousands of Aussies and leaving in disgrace) and many of our last PMs have been happy clappers...

This is not some poor battler who has had a hard life. Spare me.

Also, no one gives a poo that he's a Christian, it's the NAB stuff and his key position at an openly homophobic church that people (rightly) take issue with.

Do you really think he was a good fit for modern sporting club that has a women's team with a number of gay players?...

Ridiculous appointment. He never should have even been considered.


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Re: Essendon has spoken to Simon Matthews about becoming their next CEO: Caro
« Reply #34 on: October 05, 2022, 11:50:46 AM »
Bachar Houli accepting a prize from australian imams council.
 
https://www.stevedabliz.com/great-achievers-one-all/
 
this is their position on abortion.
 
https://www.anic.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/THE-ISLAMIC-POSITION-ON-ABORTION.pdf
 
This is their position on homosexuality
 
http://www.anic.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Islams-Clear-Position-on-Homosexuality.pdf
 
:shh :shh

I seldom step inside any church, but anyone who isolates the Christian faith and disregards the others have no idea. Obviously one religion has more followers so you expect more issues.

To not be able to hold a position of power due to beliefs of the church he goes to is pathetic. Andrew’s is a devout catholic so let’s strip him of the role should we?

I would say the same if it was any religion.

"This guy's background should not be relevant because.... Bachar Houli is well liked..."

what a stupid strawman argument.

If Bachar oversaw NAB ripping off thousands of citizens AND was also seriously involved of an openly homophobic church then yes, most people would rightly oppose him being CEO of a modern sporting organisation.

How does that impact this bloke's suitability for the role again?...


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Re: Essendon has spoken to Simon Matthews about becoming their next CEO: Caro
« Reply #35 on: October 05, 2022, 11:53:34 AM »
people arguing that he didnt know what was going on at NAB when he was the stuffing CEO

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Re: Essendon has spoken to Simon Matthews about becoming their next CEO: Caro
« Reply #36 on: October 05, 2022, 11:59:52 AM »
Sam Edmund on SEN just said this now opens the door for Simon Matthews to return to Essendon.

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Re: Essendon has spoken to Simon Matthews about becoming their next CEO: Caro
« Reply #37 on: October 05, 2022, 01:31:46 PM »
Yet another example of the ongoing battle between the nutcase woke lefties and the nutcase conservative Christians.

The white male christian victim complex that some clowns are displaying is embarrassing. This guy was in charge of one of the most powerful financial institutions in AUS (ripping of thousands of Aussies and leaving in disgrace) and many of our last PMs have been happy clappers...

This is not some poor battler who has had a hard life. Spare me.

Also, no one gives a poo that he's a Christian, it's the NAB stuff and his key position at an openly homophobic church that people (rightly) take issue with.

Do you really think he was a good fit for modern sporting club that has a women's team with a number of gay players?...

Ridiculous appointment. He never should have even been considered.
SEN said he was on the panel to select the new CEO and then ended up getting the gig himself. If true, then Essendon only have themselves to blame.

There is also talk that a number of Essendon's AFLW players were going to walk out if he didn't go. You could probably include sponsors too.

So, a bloke who holds a key position in an organisation that openly excludes other people (based on archaic BS ::) ) gets excluded himself from a key position of another organisation who rightfully call out such BS in the 21st century. Karma says hi!  :wave

I also got to laugh at the religious persecution claim too. He wasn't dumped because he was giving money to the poor, feeding the hungry, housing the homeless, or standing up for marginalised members of society. I must have missed where Je-sus said hate gays and compared abortion to the Holocaust. Just another coward who hides his archaic debunked views behind a religious cult church to try and justify hateful crap ::).
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Re: Essendon has spoken to Simon Matthews about becoming their next CEO: Caro
« Reply #38 on: October 05, 2022, 02:04:37 PM »
Spot on MT.

It's amazing how many bible-thumpers obsesses over people's sexual orientation while overlooking the corruption, exploitation and child abuse within their own ranks.

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Re: Essendon has spoken to Simon Matthews about becoming their next CEO: Caro
« Reply #39 on: October 05, 2022, 03:19:59 PM »
Andrew Thorburn

1. He's brought in to oversee the appointment process of a new CEO. He subsequently removes himself from that process late in the piece to apply for the role himself and is appointed just days after interviewing. No mention is made in the club's appointment statement of a replacement overseer or re-evaluation of that process. He 'succeeded' in meeting his own criteria.

To me, that's like a father engaging a therapist to assists his troubled daughter only to discover mid-way through the therapy that he has a new son-in-law: the therapist married his troubled daughter instead. You'd question his fitness to be either a therapist or a husband at that point.

2. The 2013 sermon that caused alarm might have occurred before Thorburn's appointment as Chair (2014), but that church's position on homosexuality is still available on its website (https://resources.cityonahill.com.au/resources/tough-questions).

"Homosexuality is falling short of God’s created order. Even if sexual orientation originates in genetic makeup, homosexual activity is still a sin."

While much of the disagreement over abortion and same-sex marriage pertains to its concrete legal status, distributing literature insisting that homosexual acts are inherently sinful--requiring total abstinence of homosexuals--has no legal relevance whatsoever and is completely out of step with the ethos of a modern sporting organization partly comprised of homosexual staff, players, and other stakeholders. Even 'inactive' homosexuals have "fallen short of [God]."

At best, you have elected a leader who will act out of conceit: he won't say anything to your face, he'll 'love' you and 'forgive' you and 'pray' for you, but deep down he believes you to be either a sinner or a failure. That leader must simultaneously protect the welfare (not souls) of homosexual staff and players and oversee the advancement of diversity and inclusion policies at the club. See 1 for his behavior in an oversight capacity.

3. I don't see the comparison with Bachar--at least not how it has been presented. I couldn't find a link between AMAA and ANIC (unlike Thorburn --> City on a Hill --> CoaH position on homosexuality), and in any case, Bachar accepted an award from an organization; he doesn't chair it. They're not equivalent situations.

4. That Essendon were (a) unable or unwilling to unearth this information during the process and/or (b) unperturbed by it is an indictment of their processes, due diligence, and judgement (business and ethical). It's also very, very funny to watch.

5. All this says nothing about his history as NAB CEO and the irregularities uncovered there during his tenure. But hey, if Essendon want to employ someone who is incompetent, ineffectual, and/or dishonest then so be it. It doesn't preclude him from taking the job in the same way as 1 and 2.

All in all, I'm not in his corner and won't be flying the "FREE SPEECH" flag needlessly in his defense. If he has a preference for what consenting adults do with their genitals in the privacy of their own homes I strongly agree that he should keep those views to himself--not chair a church that broadcasts them unambiguously to all and sundry. Should he choose the second option, he should accept the consequences of his association and tacit advocacy of those opinions, and it is of no loss to the society as a whole that this should come to pass.   

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Re: Essendon has spoken to Simon Matthews about becoming their next CEO: Caro
« Reply #40 on: October 05, 2022, 05:17:48 PM »

SEN said he was on the panel to select the new CEO and then ended up getting the gig himself. If true, then Essendon only have themselves to blame.


Yep Damien Barrett says he headed up the panel to select the CEO in his opinion piece below.
 

BARRETT: Dons set for more change after latest 'ego-driven' mess

A MERE seven and a half weeks have unfolded since David Barham set in motion, out of nowhere, a takeover of the Essendon Football Club.

Having been a low-profiled Bombers director for nearly seven years, Barham suddenly thrust himself into the lead role on Sunday August 14, before his club's second-last match of another bad season, when he started action to roll the president.

He got the head he wanted, Paul Brasher, by just one vote of fellow directors – Kevin Sheedy being the casting vote – and he has since rolled a coach, three other directors and two CEOs, the second of those lasting a mere 30 hours between a joyous, self-backslapping public announcement about the appointment itself and then an embarrassing public exit.

Barham himself now needs to exit the mess he has created. His own words about proper process and care for Essendon people have not been reflected in actions.

There was nothing wrong with his approach to four-time premiership coach Alastair Clarkson days after his boardroom coup, but there was everything wrong about doing that while Ben Rutten was still the Essendon coach.

But it was Barham's blind obsession with Andrew Thorburn – who was appointed CEO on Monday and who exited that post on Tuesday – that is even more damaging to his club's standing with its own members and supporters.

On the day Barham officially sacked Rutten, Sunday August 21, the day after the completion of the home-and-away season, then-CEO Xavier Campbell drove to Rutten's house to commiserate over the former coach's treatment. Upon leaving, Campbell informed Barham he would be resigning.

It was the response Barham wanted. He then brought in Thorburn, who was formally criticised in the banking royal commission when in charge of NAB, to Essendon, empowering him with reviewing all club operations, giving him a seat on a sub-committee to find Rutten's replacement, and asking him to interview candidates for the vacated CEO post.

Extraordinarily, and about the same time some candidates were being put through second and even third interviews for the CEO role, Thorburn decided he wanted the job himself. And was given it, clearly without the type of proper "process" and "due diligence" being applied to others, those phrases being ones which Barham had been smugly using against those who had run the club in the past.

In announcing Thorburn as Essendon CEO on Monday, Barham and the Bombers congratulated themselves, claiming the "process to find our next CEO was comprehensive and led by (Ernst & Young), with the support of club director Dorothy Hisgrove", and that Thorburn was a "highly credentialled leader", a "man of great integrity".

The very next day, Thorburn was challenged by the Bombers, after the Herald Sun had raised his connection to a church that had publicly made negative comments about inclusion and diversity generally, and abortion and homosexuality specifically. Thorburn chose the church involvement over the Essendon role.

A chartered accountancy firm, Barham, Hisgrove and other Bombers could have identified the very issues which saw Thorburn exit the club via a simple Google search.

Richmond executive Simon Matthews was one of those who subjected himself to Thorburn's grilling in interviews about the vacant CEO post. There were many others. Their information and answers may well have been used by Thorburn in his own pitch to Barham for the job.

Thorburn was involved in the securing of Brad Scott as coach, the one clear positive amid the Barham frenzy. Scott would have been bemused at best and angered at worst on Tuesday night after the Thorburn issue had played out, as the one thing he had always wanted in a second senior coaching opportunity was solidarity, ample resource and consistency in off-field operations.

It would surely be a line-ball call for Scott as to what has most disappointed him since being announced as Essendon coach only last Friday: the public declaration on that very day by Bombers director Kevin Sheedy that he wanted James Hird and not Scott as coach, or the events around Thorburn.

If in the next 48 hours Barham if himself doesn't announce intent to formally follow out of the Essendon doors the many others he has forced out, he will be told of plans – which were being formulated deep into Tuesday night and resumed first thing Wednesday – of people seeking to remove him, possibly in an extraordinary general meeting.

Significant support for Bombers board member and highly successful businessman Andrew Muir was being mounted behind the scenes on Wednesday.

When Barham rolled Brasher in late August, he did so by just one vote, that casting vote being Sheedy's. Barham extraordinarily chose not to demand Sheedy stand down after his breach of board governance in the Hird comments, and Sheedy's next public move, as always, looms as highly intriguing.

There was opposition on the Bombers board to Barham being president, even before the approach to Clarkson while Rutten was still coach, and weeks before the Thorburn debacle.

An extraordinary general election may be the only way to properly fix this almighty mess of a football club. The ego-driven politicking certainly hasn't worked.

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Re: Essendon has spoken to Simon Matthews about becoming their next CEO: Caro
« Reply #41 on: October 05, 2022, 05:40:22 PM »
Why is personal politics and religion the main factor of employment within a FOOTBALL club .i suggest   the game on its own should be our main focus.

His forced resignation was not based on his  previous employment but older published views of his church and not his own personal view apparently .
I may and do not follow his beliefs or yours but believe you have the right to have them if the don’t effect others.
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Re: Essendon has spoken to Simon Matthews about becoming their next CEO: Caro
« Reply #43 on: October 05, 2022, 07:23:09 PM »
If we ever have a poll for the most boring thread ever, this thread would get my vote.

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« Reply #44 on: October 05, 2022, 07:33:21 PM »
If we ever have a poll for the most boring thread ever, this thread would get my vote.
Maybe we could pull out a report from the commission or some old NAB financial statements to spice things up a little?

I reckon we'd collectively do a better job of appointing the next Essendon CEO.