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Terry Wallace coached sides
« on: June 03, 2007, 01:24:32 AM »
Statistics from 1996: (Mostly concerned with the lack of tackling and the 1% per centers Terry Wallace coached sides do in a season).


Tackling

1996: Sydney = Runners up Rated 1st in tackling Footscray: 16th
1997: Adelaide = Premiers 1st in tackling W.B 12th
1998: Adelaide = Premiers 1st W.B 11th
1999: Kangaroos = Premiers 4th W.B 10th
2000: Essendon = Premiers 2nd W.B 14th

(Note Essendon’s only loss in 2000 was to the Western Bulldogs in round 21. Western Bulldogs tackled more than Essendon that evening.

2001: Brisbane Lions = Premiers 4th in tackles W.B 15th

(Note in 2002 and 2003 Brisbane was rated no 1 in tackles in the competition).

2005: Sydney = Premiers 1st in tackling Richmond 15th
2006: Melbourne = ? 1st in tackling Richmond 11th


1 per centers (Smothers, Shepard’s, blocks,) e.t.c
2000: Essendon = Premiers 4th in 1 per centers W.B 16th

2001, 2002, 2003, 2004: Brisbane = Runners up and Premiers 3 straight years
No 1 in one per centers W.B in 2001 15th

2005: Sydney = Premiers 1st in one per centers Richmond 16th
2006: Melbourne = ? 1st in one per centers Richmond 15th

Note: Premiership teams in the history of the game have been good tackling sides. Tackling does many things in a game of football; it places pressure on the opposition and even places perceived pressure when you do it correctly. It obviously fatigues sides later in the contest also. In Finals games when there is a definite improvement in areas mentioned above, it has been proven that Terry Wallace coached teams do not tackle and apply physical pressure and 1%’s on the ball carrier, or in the game in general.
In Wallace’s best years in charge of a team 1997 and 1998 they were overrun and then smashed by the crows in both years. You could see Adelaide lift especially in 1997 because they were not being tackled, and therefore were not tired at games end. It gave them the ability to run the game out.

Wallace at the Bulldogs had one of the best tacklers the game has seen in Tony Liberatore. Even still it did not assist tackle numbers team wise. Romero, West, Dimma, and others were also productive tacklers or should have been.
Wallace allows teams with good foot skills too much time and space. In Richmond’s severe losses this year, the opposition has eased through the midfield with the mindset they would not be tackled. (Figures above prove this) Sydney, W.B and even Hawthorn were allowed too much time and space. If you give AFL footballer’s time and space they surely will cause havoc.

Wallace is successful in limiting contested marks, as well as hard ball gets to the opposition, although this may be a thing of the past. Most teams now play with an uncontested aspect to assist their running players. Teams with numerous forward options will often beat a Terry Wallace coached side. He likes to have a defender such as a Kellaway or a Bowden free at Richmond to zone off or be the 3rd man up at the contest. At the Bulldogs Craig Ellis or Todd Curley would do that role. If you are the opposition and you see this, you surely direct some football through Bowden to hurt them on the scoreboard.
(Re Luke Brennan) Sunday in Tasmania.

Wallace has struggled to beat coaches such as Mark Williams, Schwab (Hawthorn), Malthouse and Matthews because of either their success at uncontested style of football, their ability to tackle fiercely, or the fact they have had numerous options up forward.

Wallace would probably like to play 22 wingman if he could. A fast running side that does not tackle. The purchase of Tambling and Oakley-Nicholls may come off, although at present Richmond stand 16th at clearances. Either at stop plays or centre breaks. In and under footballers would stop this trend. Richmond have refused to draft Nathan Jones and Jordan Lewis who are excellent at the stoppages, rather they chose Danny Meyer and Tambling types.

The lack of an up and coming spine could spell disaster for Richmond. Thursfield is a very good footballer, but he may not recover from a serious knee injury. Shultz is untried really at senior level. Hughes will be a player but will take two or three years to fill out. Limbach will also be productive, but needs to put on weight. Gaspar seems out of favor, Kellaway and Ray Hall are only battlers (despite braveness) who struggle with disposal. Bowden does not play on a man and if he does can struggle to man up on most occasions. If you pressure Richmond’s defence they do not have the ability to hit targets going forward. At the Bulldogs Wallace did not have the spine to win in September.
With the draft picks at his disposal (at Richmond) he could have well and truly improved the position of Richmond’s talls. However he has decided to go with the Western Bulldogs style again which did not pay dividends the first time around.

Wallace is a very smart business operator, has excellent media skills which will benefit the club with members and sponsorship. However it remains to be seen whether he will take the Richmond side to sustained success. The lack of tackling, sustained pressure, one per centers and clearances
(with bigger bodies) need to be worked upon. Whether it will remains to be seen. As history and statistics show you need to be successful at tackling to win premierships. With Wallace at the helm it is highly doubtful.

Note: In Richmond’s best seasons in recent times: 1995 and 2001 they were a good tackling side.
1995: 1st in total tackles
2001: 3rd in total tackles.

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Re: Terry Wallace coached sides
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2007, 02:37:12 AM »
Congratulations  :clapping Evaluator on putting forward an argument against Wallace based on historical and statistical reference and not personal  ;)

Just one point I'd like to make, when you're comparing Wallace of today when he probably has the youngest team in the AFL v his teams of the past which were probably grown men and not runts like we have running around at the moment, hardly seems a fair comparison don't you think.

I'd like to see some of these kids in a couple of years before I compare something like that.  And because we're rebuilding we're probably going to get younger in average years come this draft as well.   So just my opinion, but hardly a fair comparison.  We did improve our ranking from 2005 to 2006.  Like to see if that trend continues.

Still, what you say is food for thought.

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Re: Terry Wallace coached sides
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2007, 07:44:32 AM »
Facts are the game plan is rubbish.

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Re: Terry Wallace coached sides
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2007, 07:57:27 AM »
Nice copy and paste job, evaluator.

http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum//index.php?topic=3382.msg36858#msg36858

No source a year ago, no source now.
I suppose for you to update by removing delisted players and add new ones would be tampering with someone else's work.
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Re: Terry Wallace coached sides
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2007, 08:20:34 AM »
Nice copy and paste job, evaluator.

http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum//index.php?topic=3382.msg36858#msg36858

No source a year ago, no source now.
I suppose for you to update by removing delisted players and add new ones would be tampering with someone else's work.

Thanks Fish for adding the link.

evaluator - just a reminder of a one our posting guidelines if you post something from another site by another author you most reference the source. We have no problems with taking stats etc from other places but it is very important not only from a legal perspective but out of plan courtesy to quote/reference any link

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Re: Terry Wallace coached sides
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2007, 09:59:09 AM »
Thought you did that yourself, Evaluator. Not good form, kiddo  ???

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Re: Terry Wallace coached sides
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2007, 10:46:24 AM »
who cares about Wallace past
he came to the club to change the game style
he has not delivered that promise with a good list
he has had 3 years to stop sideways backwards football
he has got the players he just dont know how

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Re: Terry Wallace coached sides
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2007, 10:57:52 AM »
Whats of real interest is what Collingwood has recruited in the PAST 2 YEARS compared to the tiges.
Pies sitting second on the ladder with a good group of young kids performing well.
Wallace is in his THIRD season and the young kids that he has picked are hardly settting the world on fire.
I am sick of tired of people make excuses for Wallace.
Its pretty clear he cannot coach and his recruiting since he has been there has been extremely poor.
Thats not my opinion, they are the  plain facts, but people will continually be deluded and make excuses for him. ::)
I reckon this week his media friends might turn the OXY torch to Wallace. ;)
He wont need a solarium in upcoming weeks seeing that the heat will be turned right up this week.

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Re: Terry Wallace coached sides
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2007, 11:11:40 AM »
its not the players that are poor recruiting its the players not performing under a coach & coaching staff & adjusting to life changes
l know some of them players are better than players performing at other clubs its simply that they are not adjusting
this could be for a number of reasons

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Re: Terry Wallace coached sides
« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2007, 02:28:52 PM »
YES YES YES YES YES ...

TERRY HAS FOOLED US ALL ...

HE DOESN'T KNOW HIMSELF WHAT HE IS DOING

TERRY HAS NO EXCUSES AT ALL !!!

HE KEEPS CHANGING OUR PLAYERS IN DIFFERENT POSITIONS !!!

WE ARE ALL FOOLED

FOOLED

FOOLED

FOOLED

Terry ... WHERE IS OUR F***ING GRAPH HEADING NOW !!! YOU DI**HEAD ???

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Re: Terry Wallace coached sides
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2007, 05:01:00 PM »
YES YES YES YES YES ...

TERRY HAS FOOLED US ALL ...

HE DOESN'T KNOW HIMSELF WHAT HE IS DOING

TERRY HAS NO EXCUSES AT ALL !!!

HE KEEPS CHANGING OUR PLAYERS IN DIFFERENT POSITIONS !!!

WE ARE ALL FOOLED

FOOLED

FOOLED

FOOLED

Terry ... WHERE IS OUR F***ING GRAPH HEADING NOW !!! YOU DI**HEAD ???

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Re: Terry Wallace coached sides
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2007, 05:37:53 PM »
Whats of real interest is what Collingwood has recruited in the PAST 2 YEARS compared to the tiges.
Pies sitting second on the ladder with a good group of young kids performing well.
Helps when 15 of your 22 is 23 years of age and older  and eleven of them are within the prime age of 23-27. Young side my aunt  ::). In any case the Pies lack class. Always have. I wouldn't be basing the secret to on-field success on them.

Collingwood side vs Freo

32: Burns
29: Presti, Rocca
28: O'Bree

27: Holland, Lockyer
26: Davis, B.Johnson
25: Fraser, Medhurst, R.Shaw
24: Didak, Maxwell, Richards
23: Swan

21: H.Shaw
20: Cloke, O'Brien, Thomas, Toovey
19: Pendlebury
18: Goldsack
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