Who made the decision to appoint Hardwick over Hinkley in 2009?

[Smokey]

So was Geez and look at the success he's had

I challenge your definition of success.  He had a very short period at the top and then just 'disappeared' whereas the world is still full of those milking his reputation for everything they can.   

[Rampstar]

Can't argue with that Rampa. Not bad for a numbnut

your misses sends you her regards

[Rampstar]

There's just not enough pornography at the club

yours is clearly the best post in this thread .. 

[Stripes]

None of you guys would have supported Hinkley at the time and you knew it. Hardwick won the job Hinkley its well known came 2nd in the interview process. I have no complaints about the process, to get to those two last means that the process was right. From memory most of you wanted Rawlings who has been at Melbourne for a few years now. Hardwick has taken us to 2 finals in a row. Not a bad effort considering the last 30 years. I like Hinkley he exhibits mongrel and is a good coach, but we have what we have. So lets get on with it.

Check back through the old threads and you'll find I wanted Hinkley over Hardwick. I'm still happy with Hardwick but I believe Hinkley is the better coach. I agree with what you said here though Ramps.

[torch]

Whoever selected Hardwick has cost us finals success.

Ken Hinkley is clearly a better coach in every aspect then Hardwick!

You needed a brand new thread of this?

Couldn't you have just used your "Sack Harwick" thread 

Agree merge thread and give strike

Well, i'm not saying "Sack Hardwick", i'm asking who appointed him? ... 

[YellowandBlackBlood]

Whoever selected Hardwick has cost us finals success.

Ken Hinkley is clearly a better coach in every aspect then Hardwick!

You needed a brand new thread of this?

Couldn't you have just used your "Sack Harwick" thread 

Agree merge thread and give strike

Well, i'm not saying "Sack Hardwick", i'm asking who appointed him? ... 

Truth be known, Gary March wanted Dimma.

We went through an extensive interview process and Hinkley surprised all by presenting so well.  It came down to the two of them in the end and I suspect Hinkley performed better in the interviews but March wanted and then got his man.

That's the way I read it……..

[yellowandback]

Whoever selected Hardwick has cost us finals success.

Ken Hinkley is clearly a better coach in every aspect then Hardwick!

It was Kochy 

[the claw]

Well said Andy, the conditioning coach they got from Liverpool I think has proven to be an absolute jet.

Wonder how much of his knowledge of Soccer counter attacking tactics were used in orchestrating the counter sling shot overlap style that Port play which counters the forward press. Very clever when mixed with elite speed and endurance which Port now have.

Hinkley is the best coach in the AFL. Even from 2 years. Better than Lyon, Brad Scott and Longmire who all inherited great lists. Lyon inherited 2 great lists and won nothing from it. Scott and Longmire inherited premiership lists with an elite culture.

Clarkson could mount a big case against Hinkley but the fact that Hinkley has gone from AFL basketcase to Prelim finalists in 2 years with the most exciting brand of footy in the comp is incredible.

not having a shot here but just tryinng to add some balance.
of their team that defeated freo  the following players were at port before hinkley got there.

fb/   broadbent - carlisle - jonas
hb/  oittard  -  trengove - oshea
c/  hartlett - boak - ####
hf/  gray - westhoff - ####
ff/  #### - schulz - wingard.
r/  lobbe - ebert-  ####
int/ moore -
plus theres another 10 who didnt play and are still on their list. id say hinkley had the makings of a pretty good teamwhen he walked into port. hes hardly had to strip the list back to nothing.

i would even argue that the work had already been done on the nd selections they took in 2012 and hinkley had little to do in this area.

what port have done well in hinkleys time is find 7good players and they still have kids from the last two draft who look promising who are yet to play  or played very little.

imo we are more like port when hinkley first got there, and as such, if we as a club could nail 3 or 4 nd draft picks and make 3 or 4 good trades like port have over the last 2 seasons we can significantly improve and become more than competetive hopefully.
we need to remember though there are clubs who have finished below us who have already done a significant amount of rebuild work. there are no guarantees.

[The Big Richo]

Think thats the point.

When he walked in they were considered a basket case, the players were hopeless and no-one wanted to coach them.

He has done what a good coach does and made them better.

If Hardwick had taken over then they would have finished last and 3rd last and be aiming for finals the year after next.

[YellowandBlackBlood]

Well said Andy, the conditioning coach they got from Liverpool I think has proven to be an absolute jet.

Wonder how much of his knowledge of Soccer counter attacking tactics were used in orchestrating the counter sling shot overlap style that Port play which counters the forward press. Very clever when mixed with elite speed and endurance which Port now have.

Hinkley is the best coach in the AFL. Even from 2 years. Better than Lyon, Brad Scott and Longmire who all inherited great lists. Lyon inherited 2 great lists and won nothing from it. Scott and Longmire inherited premiership lists with an elite culture.

Clarkson could mount a big case against Hinkley but the fact that Hinkley has gone from AFL basketcase to Prelim finalists in 2 years with the most exciting brand of footy in the comp is incredible.

not having a shot here but just tryinng to add some balance.
of their team that defeated freo  the following players were at port before hinkley got there.

fb/   broadbent - carlisle - jonas
hb/  oittard  -  trengove - oshea
c/  hartlett - boak - ####
hf/  gray - westhoff - ####
ff/  #### - schulz - wingard.
r/  lobbe - ebert-  ####
int/ moore -
plus theres another 10 who didnt play and are still on their list. id say hinkley had the makings of a pretty good teamwhen he walked into port. hes hardly had to strip the list back to nothing.

i would even argue that the work had already been done on the nd selections they took in 2012 and hinkley had little to do in this area.

what port have done well in hinkleys time is find 7good players and they still have kids from the last two draft who look promising who are yet to play  or played very little.

imo we are more like port when hinkley first got there, and as such, if we as a club could nail 3 or 4 nd draft picks and make 3 or 4 good trades like port have over the last 2 seasons we can significantly improve and become more than competetive hopefully.
we need to remember though there are clubs who have finished below us who have already done a significant amount of rebuild work. there are no guarantees.

A friend of mine went to the Collingwood forum night recently. The club told them they were aiming at 2016-17 for a top four tilt. Their major competitors at that stage they envisage being GC, GWS and WB. Interestingly enough they felt that their fitness levels were 60% of the top teams currently.

[the claw]

Think thats the point.

When he walked in they were considered a basket case, the players were hopeless and no-one wanted to coach them.

He has done what a good coach does and made them better.

If Hardwick had taken over then they would have finished last and 3rd last and be aiming for finals the year after next.

i dont think for a moment their list was a basket case or their players were hopeless. not sure how hard they found it to get a coach.
i do know one of there favorite sons in primus had to go because they were performing so badly.
the simple point im making is the vast majority of players who have got them to a preliminary final was there before hinkley was. thus he cant take credit for actually building the side.

yes he put in place structures and processes that see them play attractive and effective footy but actually build the team i have to disagree. that has been a process that goes back many yrs.

to me hinkley has inherited a pretty decent list hes been a good coach in the fact hes turned the obvious talent that was there into a pretty good footy team and at the end of the day that is what his job is.

i see threads on the site asking how did port turn it around in just two yrs. the simple answewr to that is it has not been two yrs the majority of their team was assembled prior to hinkley getting there and its a misnomer to suggest its taken just two yrs.its been a work in progress since 07 and before.

[Judge Roughneck]

Port were shyte and talked about going out of business

[Francois Jackson]

how is Hinkley's form going straight up to Boak after the siren and apparently demanding him to settle the players down as we have 2 more games to go and keep their mind on the job ahead.

If only our coach could instill some of these traits into our club

[the claw]

Port were shyte and talked about going out of business

agree they were broke and performing terribly on field. that doesnt mean they didnt have plenty of talent on their list. you only need look at my first post to see that is not true.

yes hinkley has tunned em around but he had  most of the talent there that allowed him  to do so.

[lamington]

Port were shyte and talked about going out of business

agree they were broke and performing terribly on field. that doesnt mean they didnt have plenty of talent on their list. you only need look at my first post to see that is not true.

yes hinkley has tunned em around but he had  most of the talent there that allowed him  to do so.

I agree with claw on this one. Port inherently had a good list. What I can't take away from Hinkley is that he is an amazing motivator and when you see Port Players you get the vibe they will do anything for Hinkley.

I can't say the same about Hardwick but what I can't take away from Hardwick is he came to our club when we were absolutely shyte and he not only had to purge the playing list but get some sort of sustainable game style happening. I think he has achieved a lot if you look at what he was handed but Hardwick's sin is that he stopped pushing the players to become more he's kinda there best mate as opposed to hard arse coach who demands excellence all the time.