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Online Francois Jackson

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Re: Jake King cops a 2 week suspension [merged]
« Reply #15 on: August 30, 2011, 06:24:39 PM »
ive changed my mind now im so glad we beat those weak ... and got the 4 points.

they can get stuffed.... bunch of poofs


Edit: don't avoid the swear filter.

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Re: Jake King cops a 2 week suspension [merged]
« Reply #16 on: August 30, 2011, 06:25:09 PM »
Gleeson says it wasn't excessive force in the extreme, but it was excessive in the circumstance that Otten's head was heading towards the ground.

Gleeson saying that on the balance of probabilities, Otten's concussion probably came about as a result of King's tackle. He does concede though that there is a possibility that something else happened between the tackle (four minutes left in the third quarter) and Otten coming off the ground and being assessed as concussed (four minutes left in the match). Otten can't shed any light on that, because he can't remember anything.


Michael Tovey QC now summing up for the Tigers. Says the AFL hasn't proved its case.
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Re: Jake King cops a 2 week suspension [merged]
« Reply #17 on: August 30, 2011, 06:27:21 PM »
Tovey arguing that the tackle was executed in the exact way that players are taught to tackle. Says King couldn't take Otten forward without being penalised for in the back, couldn't take him back because he's much smaller, so his only option was to take him to the side.

Tovey concedes that Otten's head looks to have hit the ground during the tackle, but says it's impossible to tell the degree of force. Says the medical report is inconclusive about when the concussion occured. Points out that Otten told trainers he was OK straight after the incident, and was able to run up the field and get involved in play a short time later.
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Re: Jake King cops a 2 week suspension [merged]
« Reply #18 on: August 30, 2011, 06:30:27 PM »
Tovey says it's up to the AFL to prove that Otten didn't hit his head at any other stage, otherwise the fact that he was assessed as concussed after the match shouldn't be taken into account at this hearing.

Therefore, says Tovey, you (the tribunal) couldn't be satisfied that the impact was of a reportable level. Throws in an extra point: there was no remonstration by any Adelaide player, as is usually seen for a reportable offence. Seemed to be seen by the opposition, he says, as part and parcel of a game of football.
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Re: Jake King cops a 2 week suspension [merged]
« Reply #19 on: August 30, 2011, 06:35:25 PM »
Tovey has had it pointed out to him by Gleeson that the onus of proof isn't on the AFL. Tovey concedes that, but says there is still not enough evidence for King to be found guilty.

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Re: Jake King cops a 2 week suspension [merged]
« Reply #20 on: August 30, 2011, 06:37:51 PM »
Presentations from both sides now finished. Chairman David Jones instructing the tribunal members as to what they need to consider when coming to a decision.



nb. the tribunal needs to be satisfied "on the balance of probabilities" that King engaged in rough conduct that was unreasonable in the circumstances, and that the impact was sufficient to constitute a reportable offence. 

Decision takes usually around five or 10 minutes.

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Re: Jake King cops a 2 week suspension [merged]
« Reply #21 on: August 30, 2011, 06:42:42 PM »
Jones to the tribunal on whether they can consider Otten's concussion as evidence that the level of contact was reportable: "You have to be satisfied on the balance of probabilities that the concussion occurred as a result of this incident." If they're not, they can't take it into account.

Tribunal now to deliberate, which means we leave. Back soon.
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Re: Jake King cops a 2 week suspension [merged]
« Reply #22 on: August 30, 2011, 06:43:36 PM »
r u there mt? lol if u r
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Re: Jake King cops a 2 week suspension [merged]
« Reply #23 on: August 30, 2011, 06:45:36 PM »
"on the balance of probabilities that "


That aint evidential fact
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Re: Jake King cops a 2 week suspension [merged]
« Reply #24 on: August 30, 2011, 06:45:42 PM »
MT = Michael Toovey lol
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Re: Jake King cops a 2 week suspension [merged]
« Reply #25 on: August 30, 2011, 06:48:05 PM »
Quote from: []())([]™ on August 30, 2011, 06:43:36 PM
r u there mt? lol if u r

Quote from: Rodgerramjet on August 30, 2011, 06:45:42 PM
MT = Michael Toovey lol

Yeah I'm txting to OER as I'm presenting Kingy's case  :rollin













Nah there's live commentary here: http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/122234/default.aspx
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Re: Jake King cops a 2 week suspension [merged]
« Reply #26 on: August 30, 2011, 06:51:09 PM »
Update: They're still outside waiting to be let back in to hear the verdict. Lots of discussion among the journos about which way this one is going to go. No-one really certain one way or the other.

Any Collingwood players got a tener for a bet  ;D.
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Re: Jake King cops a 2 week suspension [merged]
« Reply #27 on: August 30, 2011, 06:55:53 PM »
Garbage one way or another.
Just shows how derelict of their duty the MRP are.
Saving face by suspending a player who was cleared by the same group 24 hours earlier.

I just wonder if Dale Thomas was in the shoes of Jake King and committed that sling tackle whether he would be facing a two week suspension in the way Jake is.
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Re: Jake King cops a 2 week suspension [merged]
« Reply #28 on: August 30, 2011, 06:56:39 PM »
Still no news. Taking a little longer than usual.


Ed. If the tribunal can't be certain and need longer to discuss it then surely that means a not guilty verdict?
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Re: Jake King cops a 2 week suspension [merged]
« Reply #29 on: August 30, 2011, 06:56:39 PM »
Taking a looooong time with decision = reasonable doubt, perhaps
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