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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #795 on: July 04, 2013, 09:05:15 PM »
Essendon's president David Evans is claiming on the Bombers website that even if their players used/were given AOD-9604, it's not performance enhancing according to pharmacological evidence.

Still doesn't make it not a banned substance since 2011, David :nope.

Chapter XXV in creating confusion and various shades of grey by Essendon so when the final verdict is handed down, they look like they've been shafted to the great unwashed.

The amount of premeditated PR work going on is glaringly obvious. This is now more about the PR for Essendon than the finding. Whats done is done. It's all they can control.

I suspect such an approach suggests Essendon know they are in DEEP DEEP POOT.

Protect the brand at the expense of its credibility.







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Essendon chairman David Evans says AOD-9604 is not a performance-enhancing drug

“Expert opinions have been sought by the Essendon Football Club into the effects of AOD-9604 and our medical and pharmacological advice is that even if the players were given AOD-9604 last year.....”

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-chairman-david-evans-says-aod-9604-is-not-a-performance-enhancing-drug/story-fndv8gad-1226674473793

David, there is no 'IF'. The captain of your club admitted to taking AOD-9604.  :police:

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #797 on: July 04, 2013, 09:55:57 PM »
Barrett saying AOD-9604 not the only drug under investigation down at Essendon. Four Bomber players are being investigated over "inadvertent" use of a peptide which comes under the WADA S.2 category. 

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #798 on: July 04, 2013, 10:06:25 PM »
A bit more from Evans here ...


AOD-9604 'not performance enhancing': Essendon

By Matt Thompson
afl.com.au
5:06pm AEST Thursday, July 4, 2013


ESSENDON has declared that anti-obesity drug AOD-9604 is not performance enhancing after seeking its own independent advice.

The club says there is still new information being uncovered in the ASADA inquiry into its supplements use last season, and says its players are being denied due process.

"Our medical and pharmacological advice is that even if the players were given AOD-9604 last year it is not a performance enhancing substance and it certainly would not have a carry forward effect into this year," chairman David Evans said in a statement to members on Thursday.

But following the statement former ASADA chief executive Richard Ings said the club was missing the point.

"The question as to whether AOD-9604 enhances performance in this case is completely irrelevant," Ings told AFL.com.au.   

"What is at issue is that it is banned for use in sport by the World Anti-Doping Agency and Essendon must answer the suggestion that one or more of its players have allegedly taken it."   

Evans said he was particularly concerned about calls for players to be penalised before the investigation was over.

"It is very important to state that new information is still being uncovered about what may have occurred at the club in the 2012 season, including actions by people external to our club," he said.   

"Any discussion about the sanctions is premature.

"This investigation is very complex and the issues are serious, and given the complexity of the issues involved the club feels very strongly that our players should be given the right to the presumption of innocence before being judged.

"We ask that the public await the outcome of the investigation.

"We are particularly concerned that our players are being denied due process."

Evans said while captain Jobe Watson believed he was given AOD-9604 it was too early to conclude that he actually was injected with the substance.

"Whether the substance was AOD-9604 and further whether it was (a) prohibited substance last year are questions that can only be answered after the ASADA-AFL investigation is completed.

"Any suggestion that Jobe Watson should be stood down from playing or stripped of his Brownlow Medal is premature and inappropriate and strongly rejected by the club.

"The club has consistently stated that no one can yet be sure what happened at the club last year and that we're still not fully aware of precisely what took place."

Evans said he expected the ASADA report to be finalised in the next four weeks, echoing the AFL's commitment on Wednesday for it to completed in August.

The club has launched a social media campaign using the hashtag #cheerthechamp to encourage fans to support Watson at Sunday's clash with Port Adelaide at Etihad Stadium. 

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-07-04/david-evans-statement

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #799 on: July 04, 2013, 11:26:51 PM »
The club has launched a social media campaign using the hashtag #cheerthechamp to encourage fans to support Watson at Sunday's clash with Port Adelaide at Etihad Stadium. 



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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #800 on: July 05, 2013, 12:34:30 AM »
LMAO @ "seeking its own independent advice"

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #801 on: July 05, 2013, 02:16:37 AM »
Cheer the champ hey? Its just one big delusional stuffed up family ...

They should get a roar meter up on the screen, the louder you cheer, the more CC's get injected into his stomach. If it gets to 10ccs the roulettes fly past and skydrop no-doz for the kiddies


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Drug suspicions over Essendon grow (Age)
« Reply #802 on: July 05, 2013, 03:00:23 AM »
Drug suspicions over Essendon grow

   Richard Baker, Jake Niall and John Silvester
    The Age
    July 5, 2013



Concerns that Essendon players were given a banned performance-enhancing drug have strengthened with the emergence of an invoice showing the club was billed for a "Thymosin peptide".

The invoice provides a paper trail between the club and the possible provision to players of Thymosin beta 4, a substance banned by the World Anti-Doping Agency since at least 2011 for its performance-enhancing effect and viewed more seriously than the failed anti-obesity drug AOD9604.

Fairfax Media understands that Essendon players have been unable to explain to anti-doping investigators whether the club's 2012 supplements program involved Thymosin beta 4, popular with body builders because it aids muscle recovery, or a benign version, known as Thymosin alpha, used to treat AIDS and cancer patients and deemed by WADA not to have any performance-enhancing effect.

It is understood that player testimony on the issue of Thymosin has been vague, with players unable to specify which type of the drug was taken.

Since Fairfax Media first approached Essendon in April about the possible use of Thymosin beta 4, the club has maintained its belief that only the WADA-safe Thymosin alpha was used.

However, sources with a knowledge of the progress of the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority investigation believe there is a strong circumstantial case mounting to suggest the "Thymosin peptide" referred to in the Essendon invoice was beta 4.

January 2012 emails between Essendon's former sports scientist, Stephen Dank, and biochemist Shane Charter show the pair discussing the provision and best use of Thymosin beta 4. The emails do not refer to Essendon.

One email shows Mr Charter, who has become a key ASADA witness, advising Mr Dank to inject the drug on a weekly basis over six weeks and then once a month to get the "best results".

This advice is repeated in consent forms given by Mr Dank to Essendon players during 2012 for the injection of a substance referred to in the forms simply as "Thymosin".

"The recommendation for the following intervention for you: 1 Thymosin injection once a week for six weeks and then 1 injection per month," the consent form states.

A Thymosin consent form obtained by Fairfax Media was signed by Mr Dank and witnessed by suspended fitness chief Dean Robinson. The form was not signed by club doctor Bruce Reid.

Players believed that the Thymosin injections had been approved by the club doctor. Serious doubts have emerged whether this was the case.

In April, Mr Dank told Fairfax Media in an interview that Thymosin beta 4 had been part of his program at Essendon. However, when informed of the club's denial, he said he could not recall which type he had given players.

In terms of possible sanctions against players, Thymosin beta 4 poses far greater risk than AOD9604, which Essendon skipper Jobe Watson last month said he believed he had received.

This is because Thymosin beta 4 falls under WADA's S2 category for performance-enhancing drugs. AOD9604 is banned under WADA's less serious SO category, which covers drugs that may not be performance-enhancing but are not approved for human use.

Mr Dank, who has refused to be interviewed by ASADA, has maintained the substances he gave to players were always safe and did not breach anti-doping rules.

Mr Charter said on Thursday that he provided Mr Dank with Thymosin beta 4 in January 2012. He said the peptide was imported from China along with other supplements ordered by Mr Dank.

"It is a legal product but clearly a banned substance for professional athletes," Mr Charter said. "I would assume that Dank would have known that."

He said that in January 2012 Mr Dank had asked for the peptide to be made up into usable doses at a South Yarra compound chemist.

"He didn't identify the clients who would be using the product," Mr Charter said.

"At no stage did Dank order Thymosin, only Thymosin beta 4. He may have sourced it from somewhere else but the question remains: what happened to the beta 4? Thymosin is not routinely used by professional athletes but it can have some immune system benefits."

Mr Charter said ASADA had asked him a series of questions about the beta 4 product sold to Mr Dank, concentrating on whether the number of doses equated with the course of injections given to Essendon players.

The AFL said in a statement late on Thursday: "This is a complex and methodical investigation and the AFL will not comment on its progress until ASADA hands over its report next month."

Essendon declined to respond to questions.



Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/drug-suspicions-over-essendon-grow-20130704-2pfa5.html#ixzz2Y62IaO14

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #803 on: July 05, 2013, 10:11:14 AM »
Tim Watson should step down from his media role.

David King too.

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #804 on: July 05, 2013, 10:24:32 AM »
Tim Watson should step down from his media role.

David King too.

Why should David King stand down from his media role Bents?

Because he offered an opinion that goes against what most people feel?

He is entitled to his opinion, we don't have to agree with it but he is allowed to have it.

Tim should just shut up. For a bloke who refuse to say much he says alot. No win situation for Timmy, so just shut up
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #805 on: July 05, 2013, 10:28:32 AM »
I just threw King in cause he talks rubbish. Kings position is the player are faultless due to following orders. The WADA rules state the players must be responsible for what drugs they take. Is it not an arrogant wrong position for him to be taking?

Tim Watson is clearly delusional and has too many 'hats' on.
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #806 on: July 05, 2013, 12:03:48 PM »
I just threw King in cause he talks rubbish. Kings position is the player are faultless due to following orders. The WADA rules state the players must be responsible for what drugs they take. Is it not an arrogant wrong position for him to be taking?

Tim Watson is clearly delusional and has too many 'hats' on.

Go bents  :clapping

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #807 on: July 05, 2013, 12:16:39 PM »
"We just can't wait to tell our side of the story"

Have heard this from Hird, the players, Watson Snr and officials of the club over and over. It's scripted PR bullpoot.

I reckon there will not be anything convincing enough that they have been so gleefully waiting to share to the world to prove their innocence.




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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #808 on: July 05, 2013, 12:19:46 PM »
James Hird says he is not concerned about the prospect of Essendon losing premiership points as an outcome of the investigation into the club's supplements use in 2012.

Amid new reports linking the Bombers to more substances, Hird expressed no fears that the club would be stripped of its match points when the ASADA investigation is completed next month.

But the Bombers coach was reluctant to say much more, despite the club's chairman David Evans releasing a statement on Thursday saying the club had sought independent advice which said banned drug AOD-9604 was not performance enhancing.

"I'll leave that to David. I think it's a responsibility of the board to talk at that level and I'm here to talk about football," Hird said on Friday.

"I think the club is well in its rights to put some facts on the table."

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-07-05/no-points-concern-for-hird

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #809 on: July 05, 2013, 12:28:38 PM »
I just threw King in cause he talks rubbish. Kings position is the player are faultless due to following orders. The WADA rules state the players must be responsible for what drugs they take. Is it not an arrogant wrong position for him to be taking?

Tim Watson is clearly delusional and has too many 'hats' on.

I don't agree with King's opinion, I reckon he is as delusional as Tim Watson but he is entitled to have that opinion.

His stance maybe arrogant and at the same time naive in thinking the players are blameless but I don't think you can call it wrong simply because you don't agree.

Besides he will look pretty stupid if they all cop bans
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