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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1560 on: August 15, 2013, 02:56:29 AM »
ASADA says case is not closed and players could still face doping charges

    Grant Baker, Jon Ralph
    From: Herald Sun
    August 15, 2013


THE Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority says statements from the AFL regarding possible doping charges against individual players should not be taken to mean the case is closed.

AFL general counsel Andrew Dillon said on Tuesday night: "The AFL advised that in relation to Essendon players, although WADA has declared AOD-9604 is a banned substance, on the information before the AFL there is no specific anti-doping rule violation attributed to any individual player for use of AOD-9604 or any other prohibited substance.

"As such, at the present time, no infraction notices will be issued under the AFL anti-doping code."

Essendon captain Jobe Watson said he and his players felt “vindicated” by that statement.

But ASADA said the investigation was ongoing and the possibility of charges remains.

"As we have previously noted, it is a complex investigation and ASADA has a duty of care to be both thorough and accurate in every step of the process," an ASADA spokesman said.

"Should ASADA form the view at the conclusion of its investigation that a person may have committed an anti-doping rule violation, ASADA will follow its established process."

In her last public comments on the matter when handing over the interim report, ASADA boss Aurora Andruska made it clear investigations were far from complete.

"It is essential for the integrity of sport that ASADA comprehensively analyses the information it has now obtained," she said.

"ASADA's enhanced powers, which came into effect on August 1, 2013, are now available to be used to ensure all possible anti-doping violations are fully investigated and to finalise these matters as quickly and efficiently as possible."

 It is not up to the AFL to initiate doping charges against players and the Herald Sun last month revealed ASADA had not started the complicated process that could lead to the issuing of doping infraction notices.

As ASADA is now interviewing Cronulla NRL players in its investigation of the use of performance-enhancing drugs, it is possible any infraction process may not begin until that is complete.

Sources close to the investigation have told the Herald Sun poor record-keeping in the Bombers' sports science program in 2012 could make charges unlikely.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-scandal-asada-says-case-is-not-closed-and-players-could-still-face-doping-charges/story-fndv8gad-1226696644875

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The interim ASADA report cannot be used as evidence in Essendon disrepute charges ...

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/the-interim-asada-report-cannot-be-used-as-evidence-in-essendon-disrepute-charges/story-fndv8gad-1226697403168

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Essendon could be sued by its own players according to the lawyer of Cronulla Sharks players ...

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-could-be-sued-by-its-own-players-according-to-the-lawyer-of-cronulla-sharks-players/story-fndv8gad-1226697382062

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1561 on: August 15, 2013, 03:01:02 AM »
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Mysterious bottle from Mexico sets off alarm

Essendon club officials have been unable to tell the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority or their players what drugs some of them were given when they were injected with a substance bought in Mexico by a Melbourne man suffering muscular dystrophy

The revelation that some players were injected with an unknown substance purchased overseas and not intended for use by sportspeople has prompted health concerns from the relatives of some players.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/mysterious-bottle-from-mexico-sets-off-alarm-20130814-2rww2.html#ixzz2bxEXoUjP

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...rom-mexico-sets-off-alarm-20130814-2rww2.html


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Bombers doped players, says AFL
BY:CHIP LE GRAND From: The Australian August 15, 2013 12:00AM
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THE AFL has accused Essendon of administering its players with a banned substance despite conceding it has insufficient evidence to charge any players with a doping offence.

Leaked details of an AFL charge sheet reveal the first count against Essendon is that it gave its players a substance prohibited by the World Anti-Doping Agency.

An alternate charge is that the club is unable to determine whether it gave a banned substance to its players.

The charge is based on evidence gathered by the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority -- and confirmed by sports scientist Stephen Dank -- that Essendon players were given the peptide hormone AOD9604 as part of the club's 2012 supplement regime.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl/bombers-doped-players-says-afl/story-fnca0u4y-1226697374877

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/the-afl-has-charged-essendon-with-doping-offenses.1025552/

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1562 on: August 15, 2013, 07:00:57 AM »
Gee going by that pic from bigfooty I should have watched AFL360 last night  ;D
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1563 on: August 15, 2013, 09:12:06 AM »
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1564 on: August 15, 2013, 10:19:35 AM »
Another (this time relatively subtle) whack from Caro  ;D  :bow
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Admission may have saved Hird's mates
DateAugust 15, 2013
Caroline Wilson
Chief Football Writer for The Age

The AFL, Essendon and legal teams for James Hird and three other key officials spent the daylight hours of Tuesday thrashing out the magnitude of charges which have already irreparably tarnished individual reputations and further damaged the image of Hird's ''greatest football club in Australia''.

Had Hird been prepared to plead guilty to having allowed the administering of banned and potentially harmful drugs to his players there is every chance that Essendon's doctor of more than three decades, Bruce Reid, may have been spared. Ditto Danny Corcoran and Mark Thompson.

The AFL is charging four Essendon officials with bringing the game into disrepute, however the men, including coach James Hird, will fight all charges.

As is his right Hird would not admit as much, believing the charges incorrect. Essendon too appears prepared to accept responsibility for poor governance but not the charge of overseeing the administering of banned substances.

This is despite the ASADA interim summary which has evidence showing that illegal substances were used on players. The AFL says it does not have sufficient evidence to charge any Bomber player for taking banned drugs but that could still happen when ASADA completes its investigation.

Meanwhile the confusing legal thicket surrounding anti-doping codes has been set aside as the AFL pushes on, determined to punish Essendon and those who failed to adequately care for its players while the latter continues to rage against the process and the charges laid.

To date Hird has conceded very little. After the club defeated Fremantle in April the Essendon coach declared his club would be in a very good position at the end of the investigation. That now appears impossible.

Certainly the revelation that Essendon's players remain in the dark about a drug sourced from Mexico and injected into some of them between April and August last year is quite horrifying. It certainly demonstrates just why the AFL Players Association remains so dismayed at the actions of the club.

It also raises serious questions about Hird's ongoing defiance and that of his chairman Paul Little. How on earth could either man state with any confidence that none of their players were given harmful substances - as both have in recent days - when they still cannot nail what was in the bottle injected to players at the South Yarra clinic HyperMed?

When Essendon reported itself to the AFL and ASADA, coach Hird said he took ''full responsibility'' for his football department practices. It has now emerged that he regrets saying this and believes he erred in publicly doing so.

His evidence to the joint AFL-ASADA inquiry suggests he did so on the advice of others and now believes that was bad advice.

It is disappointing that since then there has been no public contrition from Hird and no public regret that he should have done more for his players, some of whom have partners or parents that still hold fears for their long-term health.

It is disappointing that there even seems to be some regret from the Hird camp that the club self-reported when the diabolical drugs program could have been kept in-house or covered up.

Could Hird truly believe that Essendon had the issues in hand when it received a $61,000 bill from a South Yarra clinic that Stephen Dank had kept secret and yet never attempted to find out what the mysterious ''amino acid'' was that was injected into some of his players?

Club staffers, including Corcoran, who also faces serious charges, and Dean Robinson, who will be charged at a later date, thrashed out the contents of the bill in a round table meeting with chiropractor Mal Hooper. Yet they never sought to investigate a substance which ASADA now believes was purchased in Mexico and left at the clinic by a patient suffering from a muscle-wasting disease.

It is so difficult to fathom such ludicrously bad governance where employees are concerned. Imagine if your child was given a vaccination at work only to find that they were injected with a drug purchased in Mexico and left behind by a patient? And then your child's workplace was unable to identify the drug.

And then no one still running that workplace was prepared to yet take public responsibility.

Banned drugs or not, this is a sorry scenario

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/admission-may-have-saved-hirds-mates-20130814-2rwxr.html#ixzz2bzaMkqmG


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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1565 on: August 15, 2013, 10:44:16 AM »
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JAMES Hird has fired his first legal salvo to beat AFL charges, claiming the supplements investigation report was an attempt to "stitch him up".
In a scathing letter to the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority, the Essendon coach's lawyers have questioned the legitimacy of a 400-page ASADA document they believe forms the basis of the AFL's charges against him and other club officials.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...the-afls-charges/story-fni5f6kv-1226697388739

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hes lost the plot taking on every authority going around

Can't stand this prick anymore. Tries to get on the front foot by "self-reporting" (would've had an investigation on him anyway because he was already busted) but now cries foul because his getting charged  :lol. I thought he was innocent why the need to sue everyone involved in trialing you?

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1566 on: August 15, 2013, 01:41:58 PM »
The Age web-site is saying former Vic Premier Mr Jeffrey Gibb Kennett reckons the Bombers should be booted out of the comp for 2014 is this saga isn't resolved soon  ;D
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Boot out Bombers for 2014 if crisis is unresolved: Kennett
Date August 15, 2013 - 12:46PM
Stathi Paxinos
Sports Writer for The Age

The AFL should expel Essendon from the 2014 season if the Bombers' supplements saga has not been settled by the end of November, former Hawthorn president Jeff Kennett said.

Essendon, coach James Hird, senior assistant Mark Thompson, football manager Danny Corcoran and club doctor Bruce Reid have been charged by the AFL for bringing the game into disrepute and are scheduled to face the AFL Commission on August 26.

However, the disputed charges look set for a prolonged legal battle, one which Kennett said the AFL could not afford to have hijacking another season.

"I'm asking the question is it worth continuing to have the whole code pulled down at the start of a new football season because of this ongoing issue or will we be better to say, 'All right, until it's resolved it's better that Essendon does not compete'," Kennett told 3AW.

"I think it's a real option ... football is so important for people ... the AFL has failed dismally, Essendon has failed dismally. If they can't resolve it and resolve it quickly I think that's a real option.

"We've got to ask ourselves the question, can the code afford to have Essendon competing next year if Essendon's going to attract all the headlines for the wrong reasons?"

Kennett's call comes after Carlton coach Mick Malthouse predicted a shambolic build-up to the finals because of the uncertainty over whether the seventh-placed Bombers would be playing in them. If the Bombers are stripped of premiership points it would open the door for the ninth-placed side to qualify for the finals, which start on September 6.

Fairfax Media reported on Thursday that Essendon players had been injected during the club's controversial supplements program with a mystery substance, bought in Mexico by a Melbourne man suffering from muscular dystrophy, that no official has been able to identify.

Bombers great Tim Watson, the father of current skipper Jobe, said club officials had maintained in meetings with players' families that there had been "no evidence of anything being administered to the players that was harmful or injurious to the players".

But Watson said it was "horrifying" to consider the implications of dangerous drugs.

"If it was proven that somebody operated along those lines, it's not only reprehensible it's criminal," Watson said.

Hawthorn great Dermott Brereton said he could not comprehend how Hird, who has remained defiant in the face of the charges and criticism, had held up after seven months of intense criticism and speculation.

"If I'd been in James Hird's shoes I would have caved in by now ... I couldn't have done it," Brereton said. "I would have gone, 'This is all to hard, here's a resignation'.

"He has been the toughest bloke I can recall in league football."

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/boot-out-bombers-for-2014-if-crisis-is-unresolved-kennett-20130815-2ryb8.html#ixzz2c0PYON6y
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1567 on: August 15, 2013, 02:35:45 PM »
Hird, Essendrug and their delusional supporters are making me sick.  :chuck

First of all if this was Carlscum they'd be like all of us calling for their heads, if not for the only reason of being a bunch of greedy, pushing it to the limit, on the edge, supplement program hose-heads! 

The self righteous smug arrogance exuding from "goldenboy" and their supporters is of Carlscum-like proportions.

Answer me this question you bunch of tossers .....
How the hell can an AFL football club with AFL footballers on such regulated personal programs, each player checked, scanned and programmed to the nth degree where they can't even fart without the club recording it, dissecting the length, width and density of the gasses passed, how can your club not have a comprehensive record of ALL supplements given to each & every player on that list?

If the Essendrug supporters really believe this is true, that their beloved club really has no comprehensive record, then they are officially the most ridiculously stupid supporters on the planet.

Each player is on a modified program suited to their individual metabolic condition, tailored specifically to each individual as no person is exactly the same as the next.
The supplements program must of been tailored to each individual player & apparently David Zaharakis didn't want anything to do with it. Jobe told us he was given a list of supplements that were apparently passed by the club doctor and as "Spike" reminded his former teamate that each player was explained quite extensively in meetings what was going to be administered to them.

Conveniently the club have no record of the program even though Dank says it was recorded on the clubs own intranet. Nor can they conveniently find the correspondence of Doc Reid's "letter of concern".

If your beloved club doctor was concerned with the program doesn't that raise the collective eyebrow as to the problems with the program???
Wake up Essendrug supporters and don't treat us all with such obdurate contempt.
The crap I'm reading and hearing from them is absurd. Calls of "let's fight the AFL" overthrowing the whole competition is unbelievable.
We have a great game and a great indigenous competition that we all love. But by the sounds of it they'd rather jeopardize the rest of the competition as a whole just because of self preservation and personal honour. The honourable thing to do was NOT embark of a supplements program that was so "on the edge" and so "on the limits" that it compromises the competition as a whole.
The even greater honourable thing to do for the good of the club and competition is to come clean, step down and protect the ONLY thing we all take for granted.....
...the integrity of the competition.
Without it we don't have a vibrant national indigenous footy league that's the greatest game in The world.
The club that keeps giving.

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1568 on: August 15, 2013, 03:13:49 PM »
More laughable and delusional commentary from Mark McVeigh  :facepalm



McVeigh relieved players in the clear
By Ben Hocking
Wednesday, August 14, 2013
Source: SportsFan


Former Essendon player Mark McVeigh, who was at the club during the controversial supplements program, says he feels vindicated that the AFL has not laid any doping charges against the players this week.

The AFL yesterday charged coach James Hird, senior assistant coach Mark Thompson, football manager Danny Corcoran and club doctor Bruce Reid with bringing the game into disrepute. But no players received infraction notices.

McVeigh told SportsFan's Clubhouse that he had been saying all along that the players had done nothing wrong.

"I've been really strong on the point that the players didn't receive anything illegal and I'm glad at this stage that the AFL and ASADA believe that as well," McVeigh said.

"The issue here is that WADA says AOD-9604 is banned, but the AFL can't find the information that says any players should have an infraction notice.

"I don't know whether WADA and ASADA were on the same page, but I'm looking forward to hearing that."

While the ASADA report is only an interim finding and the investigation is still ongoing, McVeigh says the Essendon players will still feel relieved with the result.

"I know this investigation is ongoing, but if they don't know after seven or eight months that we have taken anything illegal, how are they going to know in 12 months time?," McVeigh asked.

"I never once thought that I was taking anything illegal or had signed up to take anything illegal and I'm happy at this stage that that is what has come out and everyone knows it now."

http://www.sportsfan.com.au/mcveigh-relieved-players-in-the-clear/tabid/91/newsid/110125/default.aspx

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1569 on: August 15, 2013, 03:15:01 PM »
"I know this investigation is ongoing, but if they don't know after seven or eight months that we have taken anything illegal, how are they going to know in 12 months time?," McVeigh asked.
"I never once thought that I was taking anything illegal or had signed up to take anything illegal and I'm happy at this stage that that is what has come out and everyone knows it now."

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1570 on: August 15, 2013, 03:17:49 PM »
Well at least there is one journo at the HUN who has a grip on reality  ;D
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Please Explain: Why Essendon should do a deal with the AFL now
by: By Glenn McFarlane
From: Herald Sun August 15, 2013 2:59PM

DEAR Paul Little and the Essendon board,

We appreciate how hard you are fighting to protect the club that you love, but the cold, hard reality is that it is time to negotiate a deal with the AFL before it is too late.

Your passion for your club is admirable, but the way you are articulating it is not.

Your aggressive attitude and inability to acknowledge any fault by your club is putting Essendon at risk of being whacked even harder.

The time is right to sit down and sort out a settlement that is in the best long-term interest of the club, however unpalatable that might be.

There is no time to waste. The clock is ticking.

Right now, you don’t seem to be willing to cop anything – from the potential loss of premiership points, to the loss of future draft picks, to a crippling fine, to the possible suspension of the four key officials charged on Tuesday with bringing the game into disrepute.

Forget about the premiership points. They should be the least of your issues. You can’t win this year’s flag anyway. Your players have been incredibly resilient, but the signs of the past three weeks prove they are cooked.

By all means, you are well within your rights to fight for the protection of the reputations of James Hird, Mark Thompson, Dr Bruce Reid and Danny Corcoran.

And if you believe in them, as you clearly do, you should be prepared to back your men, who have undoubtedly made a great contribution to the game over many, many years.

But the best way to do that is through a negotiated settlement rather than arming yourselves with lawyers and threatening to take the AFL – and the game – to court.

That would create a runaway train impossible to stop. It would lead to a protracted, messy and financially crippling legal dispute unprecedented in our great game.

And it would drive a wedge between one of the most famous clubs in Australian sport and its governing body, not to mention the other 17 clubs of the competition.

As Leigh Matthews will attest, you can’t beat City Hall. The AFL will always get you in the end.

For the sake of this club that has been in existence since 1871 and has played such a significant and proud role in our game, take a big whack now - not a bigger one later.

A negotiated resolution – something that happens in courts every day – is your best option.

The thing that cannot be forgotten is that whoever was at fault – we get it that it is still debatable where the true culpability lies – your football club failed its players.

That is clear from your own club’s internal report, conducted by Dr Ziggy Switkowski, that found a “pharmacologically experimental” program that pushed boundaries and potentially put the club's most important assets - the players - at risk.

That’s why you have lost your chairman, your chief executive and a number of other staff members already this season.

You cannot escape that. You never will. And that’s why the AFL will whack you now, or later, depending on your next move.

Regardless of what might happen in court, a penalty is going to happen at some stage, and it is better for you to have a say in the punishment.

If you do play finals this season – something the AFL would clearly prefer not to happen – your form says you are unlikely to go past week one.

So here's my tip. Offer to sacrifice this year’s finals premiership points. Give up on the finals. Start afresh in Round 1 next season with a group that Jobe Watson maintains has been galvanised by the experience of 2013.

Take the fine that might come your way. Chances are, it will be less than the legal fees that you will need if you want to take the AFL to court.

Then there is the matter of draft picks. This looms as the biggie.

If the AFL finds the club guilty of bringing the game into disrepute, you can forget about any meaningful draft selections over the next three years.

If you do a deal now, you could try to wipe out this year’s national draft, which won’t kill you as a footy club.

The 2013 national draft is a solid one, but loses its depth after the top 10 or so selections. But next year’s draft is reportedly a cracker.

So it might be wise to try to gain some access to the next year’s draft and even more access to the 2015 selections.

As distasteful as a deal with the AFL might look to those at the club right now, and as much as the fans are prepared for the fight, you must know the club's best option is to do a deal before August 26 – and return to the fold as a chastened club still on reasonably solid footing rather than one that has been stripped of everything.

Yours Sincerely,

Glenn McFarlane

Read more: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/please-explain-why-essendon-should-do-a-deal-with-the-afl-now/story-fndv8t7m-1226697795190#ixzz2c0nGoXWU

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« Reply #1571 on: August 15, 2013, 04:40:01 PM »
Caracella and Balmey.

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1572 on: August 15, 2013, 04:58:02 PM »
I hope Essendon drags it out in the courts. In the meantime Can Brendon Gale please try and do something about getting back the game  that Essendon and sheedy pinched off us ... The Anzac Day Game against Collingwood.

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« Reply #1573 on: August 15, 2013, 06:09:29 PM »
Ch 7 news tonight claims the AFL told Hird that if he fell on his sword and pleaded guilty to conduct unbecoming then the AFL wouldn't charge his mates Reid, Corcoran and Thompson. Hird said nope and so the AFL charged all four of them.

Essendon chairman Little said they won't do things that suit the AFL's timetable; they'll work to a timetable that will suit Essendon FC and that means preparing for finals.

So we've got a coach putting himself above everyone else at his club and a club putting itself above the League and the other 17 clubs  ::).

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« Reply #1574 on: August 15, 2013, 06:10:32 PM »
Ch 7 news tonight claims the AFL told Hird that if he fell on his sword and pleaded guilty to conduct unbecoming then the AFL wouldn't charge his mates Reid, Corcoran and Thompson. Hird said nope and so the AFL charged all four of them.
this isn't surprising.  :lol