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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1845 on: August 23, 2013, 06:39:22 PM »
"We have made mistakes in terms of governance and people management.......................…but the evidence does not extend to drug cheating"

Yeh because they cheated well

Yes their total lack of governance, protocols and incompetence which they've done better than any organisation I can ever remember has so far meant they can't pinged for cheating
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1846 on: August 23, 2013, 06:50:14 PM »
Caro saying deal is close but AFL wants it include draft picks.
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Bombers set to miss finals
Date
August 23, 2013 - 5:51PM
Caroline Wilson and Jake Niall
 
EXCLUSIVE

Essendon looks certain to not play finals as negotiations between the AFL and the club moved swiftly towards a resolution of the crisis that has engulfed the game.

While Essendon has adopted a "clean slate" approach that said it would accept punishment that did not impact greatly on the future - meaning it was desperate to cling to draft picks - the AFL was equally adamant that draft picks must be part of any punishment for the sake of the game's integrity. The AFL still sought to remove this year's first- and second-round picks, and the same in 2014.

A suspension for coach James Hird was also assured, with the AFL wanting a 12-month suspension.

Essendon's stance on the coach – a sticking point earlier in the week when Essendon rejected a settlement offer – was secondary to the issue of preserving draft picks and ensuring that the club was not severely impaired next year and beyond.

Late on Friday, Essendon chairman Paul Little issued a statement that said the Bombers wanted to bring matters to a conclusion as soon as possible. "The ongoing controversy is harmful to our players and their families, our officials, the club, other AFL clubs and the AFL itself."

He also apologised for the club's mistakes. "We have made mistakes in terms of governance and people management, and we apologise for them. We also accept there will be AFL sanctions as a consequence ... but the evidence does not extend to drug cheating, and we're working to ensure that the charges and ultimate penalties reflect this."

While talks remained delicately poised late on Friday, Hird's position appeared increasingly difficult with Little prepared to prioritise the club over the coach. Hird had been determined not to serve a suspension of longer than six months. Mark Thompson is set to avoid suspension and receive only a fine, with football operations manager Danny Corcoran also likely to be suspended. The position of the other individual facing charges, Dr Bruce Reid, was unclear. It was also unclear whether Hird would coach the season out for the last two games.

But, as Fairfax Media reported earlier this week, the club has given ground considerably on the issue of premiership points – agreeing to sacrifice those – meaning there is little chance that the club will play finals in a fortnight, opening the way for Carlton and possibly even North Melbourne to move into the eight.

Little and AFL executive Gillon McLachlan were in lengthy talks – an indication of the pragmatic line of both parties despite the conflict and legal threats and legal action taken by Hird against the AFL and of the backing the AFL regime received from the 17 other clubs who are tired of the damaging saga. The club had been offered a fine of more than $2.5 million in talks on Tuesday, but the extent of the fine was among the details still being hammered out.

Club presidents on Thursday underscored that relevant clubs needed to know Essendon's fate by next week to ensure that the lucky ninth was prepared for the first week of finals.

The negotiated potential penalties against Essendon, as reported exclusively by Fairfax Media on Wednesday night, would be unprecedented in the game's history. No team in the AFL has been stripped of premiership points. The Dons have maintained a consistent line that they will not be branded as drug cheats.

Little, who did not attend the Thursday meeting at AFL headquarters but took part via a telephone hook-up, was made aware of the compounding damage being inflicted on the game and on all the clubs.

While Little regard the proposed AFL penalties as disproportionate to Essendon's wrongdoings, he is understood to have taken on board some of the clubs' views. Several clubs remained hopeful that a settlement would be reached as soon as Friday but more likely by early next week with the commission still preparing to meet Essendon on Monday and reach a conclusion.

The prevailing view of rival clubs was that Essendon, despite the unprecedented nature of the AFL punishment, would be escaping relatively lightly given the failings of the club regarding its players.

The clubs also unofficially canvassed the prospect of league chief and commissioner Andrew Demetriou removing himself from Monday's hearing in the interests of settling the crisis.

Reports of a second Supreme Court writ being issued, this time by the Bombers, seemed highly unlikely to unfold with the club already facing legal and extra media consultancy fees of and estimated $1.2 million.

Hird launched Supreme Court action against the AFL on Thursday but had not set a date for a hearing.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/bombers-set-to-miss-finals-20130823-2sh01.html#ixzz2cmREdHeD
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1847 on: August 23, 2013, 06:54:59 PM »


Open Letter from the Chairman
essendonfc.com.au
4:57pm AEST Friday, August 23, 2013


want these matters brought to a conclusion as soon as possible.

The Board and everyone at the Club is listening to you and we share your view

Despite the events of recent days, we believe these matters can be resolved before too long.

At yesterday's meeting of AFL Club Chairmen and Presidents, I stressed we wanted matters resolved

James Hird has issued a writ against the AFL in the Supreme Court claiming he has been denied natural justice and demanding chief executive Andrew Demetriou be banned

http://www.bordermail.com.au/story/1723325/james-hird-launches-supreme-court-action-against-afl-and-andrew-demetriou/?cs=12

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Quote
the evidence does not extend to drug cheating

Go Bombers!

Paul Little
Chairman

http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/2013-08-23/open-letter-from-the-chairman

26. On 29 February 2012, Como issued an amended invoice to the Club which re-credited the
Club for the costs of the Hexarelin and “peptide Thymosin”.
27. In late May 2012 Dank discovered that the Thymosin he had been providing the players
(Thymosin Beta-4) was in fact prohibited


http://www.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/AFL/Files/EssendonFC-notice-of-charges.pdf

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Essendon players were given WADA-banned substances AOD9604 and Thymosin Beta 4

Eleven players have told ASADA that they were given what they were told was Thymosin, although they could not say what sort of Thymosin it was.


Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-players-given-banned-drugs-20130806-2rdvs.html#ixzz2cmRXcfAt

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Essendon players have been unable to explain to anti-doping investigators whether the club's 2012 supplements program involved Thymosin beta 4, popular with body builders because it aids muscle recovery, or a benign version, known as Thymosin alpha, used to treat AIDS and cancer patients and deemed by WADA not to have any performance-enhancing effect.
player testimony on the issue of Thymosin has been vague, with players unable to specify which type of the drug was taken.



Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/drug-suspicions-over-essendon-grow-20130704-2pfa5.html#ixzz2cmTg9F3E

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Caro saying deal is close but AFL wants it include draft picks.
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Bombers set to miss finals
Date
August 23, 2013 - 5:51PM
Caroline Wilson and Jake Niall
 
 negotiations between the AFL and the club moved swiftly towards a resolution of the crisis that has engulfed the game.

While Essendon has adopted a "clean slate" approach that said it would accept punishment that did not impact greatly on the future
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/bombers-set-to-miss-finals-20130823-2sh01.html#ixzz2cmREdHeD

The entire concept of negotiation punishment with the sinning club is ludicrous. what punishment will inconvenience you least?
« Last Edit: August 23, 2013, 07:37:48 PM by Bentleigh-esque »

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1848 on: August 23, 2013, 06:57:01 PM »
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1849 on: August 23, 2013, 07:28:47 PM »
"We have made mistakes in terms of governance and people management.......................…but the evidence does not extend to drug cheating"

Yeh because they cheated well

Not that well-The AFL has caught them out having banned drugs removed from invoices and amounts re-credited to the club.
They have also been caught falsely backdating ASADA compliance documents which as it turns out would have been useless even if they were genuine.

Everywhere I look on that charge sheet tells me that Essendon are drug cheats.
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1850 on: August 23, 2013, 07:59:52 PM »
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1851 on: August 23, 2013, 09:40:13 PM »
Little is still in denial  ::). How does Essendon say they aren't drug cheats when they can't say definitively what was injected into their players due to your club's deliberate lack of record keeping and their deceptive dodgy processes off-site? The charges state the use of Thymosin beta-4 and AOD-9604 which are banned substances. The former is explicitly known as a banned substance under WADA's S2-clause. Essendon are trying to treat us all as fools but no one is buying it except for their moronic deluded supporters who think their cult leader Hird is "God" as one said on the news tonight :stupid.
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1852 on: August 23, 2013, 09:48:03 PM »
A Statement from Essendon and James Hird’s Lawyers

Posted August 23, 2013 by Titus in Regular Items


We, the lawyers representing the Essendon Football Club and James Hird, wish to make one thing clear to the AFL; we are going to keep this thing going until the club and James run out of money

Why? Because this case strikes right at the heart of that natural justice thing people keep banging on about.

Also, we’ve  just seen next year’s private school bills and wow! We thought lawyers charged like wounded bulls.

Our message to the Essendon faithful is that there are a million reasons to stand by Hird, every billable hour after billable hour.

When we’re at lunch or golf or avoiding our families, we are all still standing by Hird because everyone wants to talk about the case, so start the meter running we say.

The Essendon members should be applauded for the way they’ve stuck by James and signed up in record numbers as members.

We want to assure you that your membership money is being well spent on a new beach house in Portsea, several pieces of difficult and pretentious art, a large share in a promising racing horse and countless overpriced watches.

The Essendon Board should also be praised for their courageous strategy of taking on the AFL and all the other clubs, despite the obvious insanity of this approach.

This strategy should lead to a legal quagmire that will take so long to resolve that several clerks should make partner before this is all over.

So thank you James and Paul, you are making a small group of already rich people even richer. Bless.

http://the-flack.com/2013/08/a-statement-from-essendon-and-james-hirds-lawyers/

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1853 on: August 23, 2013, 10:57:48 PM »
Mark Stevens on Ch 7 tonight says the decision on what penalties Essendon cop will be made Monday. Loss of match points and no finals a given.

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« Reply #1854 on: August 23, 2013, 11:11:20 PM »
Essendon are History if McKenzie has this on a tape recorder. One of the best journos in the business. Good bye bombers. It was nice knowing yas.  :lol

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1855 on: August 23, 2013, 11:48:18 PM »
Essendon are History if McKenzie has this on a tape recorder. One of the best journos in the business. Good bye bombers. It was nice knowing yas.  :lol

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/the-science-of-stephen-dank-20130823-2shhd.html
McKenzie and Baker are the 2013 version of Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein  :clapping.

The use of Thymosin beta-4 (according to Dank in that interview) could see Essendon players end up getting banned for six months to two years.
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1856 on: August 24, 2013, 12:04:48 AM »
Caro
Baker
McKenzie

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Fairfax have been so smooth

 Efc raped by a newspaper
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1857 on: August 24, 2013, 01:38:58 AM »
See ya later Dopers, they are going to be in a world of pain for a long time.

The AFL is only the start of it, Hird will not be showing his face at that club for a long time if ever again.


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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1858 on: August 24, 2013, 02:25:18 AM »
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1859 on: August 24, 2013, 04:30:35 AM »
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