Author Topic: Essendon face AFL probe/Players found Guilty by CAS  (Read 555437 times)

Offline one-eyed

  • Administrator
  • RFC Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 95574
    • One-Eyed Richmond
AFL's behind-the-scenes tactics in Essendon punishment talks exposed (H-Sun)
« Reply #2250 on: December 03, 2013, 11:54:13 PM »
AFL's behind-the-scenes tactics in Essendon punishment talks exposed

    Michael Warner and Mark Robinson
    From: Herald Sun
    December 03, 2013 9:00PM


SECRET documents and a bombshell email have lifted the lid on behind-the-scenes inducements offered to Essendon and James Hird as the AFL worked frantically to pressure him to accept drugs scandal penalties.

The Herald Sun can reveal that days before the August 26-27 AFL Commission hearing was due to consider penalties, deals were being proposed by Australia's top government-appointed sports official, John Wylie.

A document emailed by Wylie to Essendon chairman Paul Little on the night of August 23 outlined potential settlement terms as the crisis threatened to spill into the Supreme Court.

Wylie, the Australian Sports Commission chairman, suggests: "Hird as senior coach takes responsibility for the inadequate governance and oversight within the club's football department that gave rise to this situation.

"It is however acknowledged …. to the best of the AFL's knowledge and belief, Hird did not promote or encourage an unethical environment within the club; Hird has not brought the game into disrepute.

"In the totality of the circumstances, the AFL will impose, and Hird will accept, a 12-month suspension from all coaching duties."

In a separate document presented to Hird on August 23, amid negotiations between Wylie and Little, the Essendon coach is offered "an outstanding career development opportunity" in return for dropping his legal action against the AFL.

Offers of "no player sanctions'' and "no double jeopardy'' despite an ASADA investigation are discussed.

Wylie said last night: "I was requested by both Paul Little and (AFL Commission chairman) Mike Fitzpatrick, in the first instance by Paul, to assist in communications between the AFL and Essendon at a time when ­direct communication between them was difficult."

League spokesman James Tonkin said last night: "Numerous discussions took place at different levels in a bid to resolve the matter as quickly and appropriately as possible."

An offer to allow Hird to receive a full salary while serving a 12-month ban was also discussed.

The document presented to the Essendon coach reads: "Charge of bringing game into disrepute dropped. 12 months suspension starting now.''

It states Hird could also keep his place in the AFL Hall of Fame and be "acknowledged by the AFL as a legend of the game".

In exchange for the offers, the document says Hird therefore "withdraws all legal action immediately".

A string of revelations to be published in the Herald Sun and The Australian over the coming days raises major perception issues surrounding the integrity and the outcome of both the drugs probe and the AFL Commission hearing.

AFL chief Andrew Demetriou said on August 7: "To suggest the AFL Commission and the people on the commission would somehow predetermine an outcome is offensive and just plain wrong."

Essendon chairman Paul Little says outgoing coach James Hird accepted the penalties for the good of the club.

It is not known if all AFL commissioners were aware of Wylie's involvement or of proposed inducements at the time they were asked to sign off on the final resolution against Essendon and its four officials on August 27.

Little last night confirmed the talks with Wylie. He said: ``John Wylie is a longstanding personal friend and we discussed possible strategies for settling the dispute.''

Hird is understood to have rebuffed the inducements put on the table on August 23, only to accept a 12-month suspension four days later under fierce pressure and fearing that he would be banished from the game and his club.

There were also discussions about sending Hird to Oxford University in England, where both Wylie and Fitzpatrick are Rhodes scholars.

Hird later independently applied to attend the exclusive Fontainebleau business school in France, passing an entrance exam in Singapore. He has just returned from his $120,000 MBA studies.

Sources have questioned why Wylie as chairman of the Sports Commission - which works with the Australian Sports and Anti-Doping Authority to fight drug cheating and which promotes integrity in sport - was drafted into pre-hearing bartering with the approval of AFL Commission chairman Fitzpatrick.

Proposed penalties for Mark Thompson, Bruce Reid and Danny Corcoran are also stated in correspondence, with Thompson cleared to coach again in 2014.

A club fine of $1.5 million and the deduction of 12 premiership points "so as to miss the finals" are also documented. The club was ultimately fined $2 million and relegated to ninth on the AFL ladder.

Hird and Fitzpatrick did not return questions from the ­Herald Sun.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/afls-behindthescenes-tactics-in-essendon-punishment-talks-exposed/story-fndv8gad-1226774538768#mm-breached
« Last Edit: December 04, 2013, 12:13:15 AM by one-eyed »

Offline one-eyed

  • Administrator
  • RFC Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 95574
    • One-Eyed Richmond
Re: AFL's behind-the-scenes tactics in Essendon punishment talks exposed (H-Sun)
« Reply #2251 on: December 04, 2013, 12:13:35 AM »
Essendon bombshell: How key figures responded to Herald Sun questions

    Staff writers
    From: Herald Sun
    December 03, 2013 9:00PM


WHAT the AFL, Paul Little and John Wylie told the Herald Sun about the latest revelations in the Essendon supplements saga.

THE AFL

Numerous discussions took place at different levels in a bid to resolve the matter as quickly and appropriately as possible. These discussions were in good faith, in the best interests of our game, were always appropriate and assisted in achieving the resolution.

The sanctions imposed on the Essendon FC and various individuals were the toughest in the history of Australian football and reflected the seriousness of the matters dealt with. Penalties included exclusion of the club from the 2013 finals and a 12-month suspension for coach James Hird.

PAUL LITTLE

John Wylie is a longstanding personal friend and we simply discussed possible strategies for settling the dispute.

John Wylie had no dialogue with James Hird at any stage.

Myself and Andrew Demetriou weren't in discussion at any stage before or during the hearing as it was thought by both parties that it would be inappropriate.

I have no knowledge about what was discussed with commissioners in relation to James Hird prior to the hearing on 26-27 August.

I don't understand the questions as the Essendon Football Club certainly took the proceedings on 26-27 August very seriously.

JOHN WYLIE

I was requested by both Paul Little and Mike Fitzpatrick, in the first instance by Paul, to assist in communications between the AFL and Essendon at a time when direct communication between them was difficult. This is already a matter of public record. I did so as a longstanding friend of both Mike and Paul, not as a representative of any organisation, to see if would be possible for them reach a resolution consistent with the best interests of the sport and the principle of integrity in sport. Agreements between the AFL and Essendon were negotiated ultimately directly between those organisations and are entirely a matter for them. Agreements which Essendon have with any of its employees are entirely a matter for Essendon.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-bombshell-how-key-figures-responded-to-herald-sun-questions/story-fnelctok-1226774541991#mm-breached

Offline mightytiges

  • RFC Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 58028
  • Eat 'Em Alive!
    • oneeyed-richmond.com
Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2252 on: December 04, 2013, 01:20:08 AM »
A nothing story just so Robbo and the other Essendon sycophants at the Herald-Sun can have a whinge about the AFL  punishing their beloved Bombers and barring them from the finals  :sleep. If the Bombers weren't a dodgy shambles of an organisation living in denial and that put themselves for the whole season above all the other clubs what was in the best interests of the game, then the whole drug probe issue at Windy Hill would've been put to bed much earlier and without the need for this sort of conflict resolution behind closed doors.
All you touch and all you see is all your life will ever be - Pink Floyd

Offline WilliamPowell

  • Administrator
  • RFC Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 39044
  • Better to ignore a fool than encourage one
    • One Eyed Richmond
Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2253 on: December 04, 2013, 07:04:41 AM »
A nothing story just so Robbo and the other Essendon sycophants at the Herald-Sun can have a whinge about the AFL  punishing their beloved Bombers and barring them from the finals  :sleep. If the Bombers weren't a dodgy shambles of an organisation living in denial and that put themselves for the whole season above all the other clubs what was in the best interests of the game, then the whole drug probe issue at Windy Hill would've been put to bed much earlier and without the need for this sort of conflict resolution behind closed doors.

Agree

For Robbo and his co-horts to suggest that there was some sort of massive cover-up and it's some sort of surprise and that there "secret" backroom deals going on so this saga didn't end up in the courts is laughable

There is nothing in this story that tells us what we already didn't know and that is the AFL & EFC did a deal to avoid court

Anyone who is shocked by it is either completely naive or just plan stupid

In Robbo's case I'll go with the later  ;D
"Oh yes I am a dreamer, I still see us flying high!"

from the song "Don't Walk Away" by Pat Benatar 1988 (Wide Awake In Dreamland)

Offline RollsRoyce

  • RFC Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 1296
Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2254 on: December 04, 2013, 07:59:17 AM »
It still beats me why the AFL felt they had to negotiate with Essendon and Hird over any penalties they sought to impose. Was Justin Charles offered this kind of leeway? It should have been a simple case of: "here's what you did, this is the penalty, if you want to play hardball with us over it in the Supreme Court then we'll simply revoke your licence and kick you out of the League." End of story. And for the 1,000th time, when are ASADA or WADA going to pull their collective finger out and start imposing bans on the individual players involved in drug cheating?

Offline tigertim

  • Tiger Rookie
  • *
  • Posts: 21
  • For We're From Tigerland
Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2255 on: December 04, 2013, 08:08:40 AM »
It still beats me why the AFL felt they had to negotiate with Essendon and Hird over any penalties they sought to impose. Was Justin Charles offered this kind of leeway? It should have been a simple case of: "here's what you did, this is the penalty, if you want to play hardball with us over it in the Supreme Court then we'll simply revoke your licence and kick you out of the League." End of story. And for the 1,000th time, when are ASADA or WADA going to pull their collective finger out and start imposing bans on the individual players involved in drug cheating?
They are patiently waiting for this to die off!

Offline Judge Roughneck

  • RFC Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 11132
  • Sir
Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2256 on: December 04, 2013, 11:18:45 AM »
Please WADA  :pray

dwaino

  • Guest
Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2257 on: December 04, 2013, 12:54:49 PM »
Not sure how this is any vindication for Essendon at all. Rather a huge blow to the integrity of the AFL. Really is time for some fresh faces at AFL house.

Offline Judge Roughneck

  • RFC Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 11132
  • Sir
Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2258 on: December 04, 2013, 02:27:07 PM »
Not sure how this is any vindication for Essendon at all.

The delusion is amazing


dwaino

  • Guest
Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2259 on: December 05, 2013, 07:23:21 AM »
Sunrise saying Herald Sun reporting Essendon still paying Turd?

Offline 1965

  • RFC Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 5580
  • Don't water the rocks
Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2260 on: December 05, 2013, 07:49:26 AM »

Third party is footing the bill.


Offline Judge Roughneck

  • RFC Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 11132
  • Sir
Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2261 on: December 05, 2013, 11:28:33 AM »
 :facepalm

AFL donn't want to lose money -
so they find what they can to cover up systematic drug cheating

Essen Don - haha, vindication




Offline 🏅Dooks

  • FOOTBALL EXPERT
  • RFC Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 10370
  • 🏆✴✔👍⛉🌟
Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2262 on: December 05, 2013, 07:27:51 PM »
Krafty as an arsehouse dairy rat
"Sliding doors moment.
If Damian Barrett had a brain
Then its made of sh#t" Dont Argue - 2/8/2018

Offline Judge Roughneck

  • RFC Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 11132
  • Sir
tania hird
« Reply #2263 on: December 12, 2013, 03:51:20 PM »
Lol

gerkin greg

  • Guest
Re: tania hird
« Reply #2264 on: December 12, 2013, 04:19:40 PM »
she ugly