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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2580 on: June 13, 2014, 03:55:09 AM »
"unlikely event they receive show cause notices"

Nice touch  :lol

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2581 on: June 13, 2014, 06:34:45 AM »
Andy D jumped ship at the right time.

Inb4 drawn out  another 3 years, found guilty and AFL just hands down 'time served.'

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2582 on: June 13, 2014, 10:16:34 AM »
ASADA boss said on MMM this morning that penalties can be reduced by up to 50% if found not to be the players' fault, and further reduction with full cooperation. Also said they don't hand down punishment,  that's up to the AFL. So there you have it. It will drag out for years. After being found guilty the maximum two years will be reduced to one for ignorance, 1 year to 6 months for cooperation, and lastly 6 months to a slap on the wrist for pain and suffering already endured and the 2013 penalties already issued.

And at the end of it all the EFC will still take zero responsibility.

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2583 on: June 13, 2014, 11:26:00 AM »
ASADA boss said on MMM this morning that penalties can be reduced by up to 50% if found not to be the players' fault, and further reduction with full cooperation. Also said they don't hand down punishment,  that's up to the AFL. So there you have it. It will drag out for years. After being found guilty the maximum two years will be reduced to one for ignorance, 1 year to 6 months for cooperation, and lastly 6 months to a slap on the wrist for pain and suffering already endured and the 2013 penalties already issued.

And at the end of it all the EFC will still take zero responsibility.

He was also on 3AW but he said the players could only face 6 months out being a 75% reduction from the standard 2 years penalty. They would still cop a suspension.

Here's a summary as reported on the AFL website
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Players have 10 days to respond to ASADA, penalties could be slashed
Matt Thompson and Harry Thring 
une 13, 2014 7:59 AM

PLAYERS found guilty of taking banned substances could have their penalties reduced by more than half if they did not know what the substance was.

The Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority chief Ben McDevitt has revealed that ASADA will be lenient on players who co-operate and players who “can demonstrate no significant fault”.

After being issued show-cause notices, players now have 10 days to respond to formal allegations after ASADA declared they have a case to answer.
 
Notices of possible anti-doping rule violations have been put to 34 current and former AFL players relating to the alleged use of a prohibited substance during the 2012 season.

McDevitt confirmed on Friday morning that the show-cause notices refer to thymosin Beta 4 and not the anti-obesity drug, AOD9604.
 
In a statement, McDevitt said: "Based on the advice of our legal counsel and a review of the evidence by the Honourable Garry Downes, I have reached the conclusion that these players have a case to answer under the World Anti-Doping Code.
 
"When I have reached a conclusion that a possible violation has occurred, it is incumbent on me under legislation to put formal allegations to athletes and invite them to respond,” he said.

On Friday morning, McDevitt told radio station 3AW that players who fully cooperated with ASADA could have their penalties reduced by more than half.
 
"Following the conclusion of joint interviews with the AFL in mid-2013, ASADA continued to accumulate evidence to establish a possible violation," he said.
 
"The investigation of these matters was a significant exercise in determining whether, under the National Anti-Doping scheme or relevant anti-doping policy of a sport, possible anti-doping rule violations had been committed.
 
"If a player can demonstrate no significant fault … if they didn’t know for example what was being administered to them, they would have that sort of claim, that penalty can then be reduced by up to 50 per cent.
 
"In addition to that, a player can actually make a claim that they have provided substantial assistance to ASADA.
 
"If they were to actually say and demonstrate that they had told the whole truth and are willing to say everything that they know about the circumstances here then we can see further substantial reductions."

Essendon chairman Paul Little is expected to comment later on Friday.
 
The club and players are seeking legal advice.
 
McDevitt said ASADA had been empowered by the Australian Government to do its job without fear or favour.
 
The AFL had no comment on Thursday night.

From: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-06-13/case-to-answer

And from the Age:


ASADA says 'duped' Essendon players could receive substantial discounts on penalties
Date June 13, 2014 - 11:07AM
Alana Schetzer
Reporter
Any Essendon players found guilty of breaching anti-doping laws but are determined to have not had sufficient knowledge about what they were taking could have 75 per cent of the maximum penalty slashed.

Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority chief executive Ben McDevitt told 3AW on Friday that if any of the 34 past and present Essendon players caught up in the investigation weren’t aware of what they were taking they could face a minimum ban of one year, as opposed to the maximum of two years.

He said if players “provided substantial assistance”, including making a  full admissions, there was an option of a further six months being slashed off their penalty.

The players were served with show-cause notices late on Thursday.

The AFL tribunal would be ultimately in charge of applying any sanctions to Essendon players if they are found guilty over the use of a banned substance, McDevitt said.

Players have 10 days to respond to the show-cause notice and if any cases go further, an independent panel will determine whether there has been a violation or not. If guilt is established, then the AFL tribunal will be responsible for handing out any penalties.

ASADA officials notified the players that they had a case to answer over the use of the peptide Thymosin Beta 4 during the 2012 season. The notices are allegations and are not determinations of guilt.

Players are reportedly in shock following the latest development in the 16-month probe. The club has refused to comment publicly and has hired security for its Tullamarine headquarters.

McDevitt said the show-cause notice was the first step and simply meant that “it’s the first step”.

“What it basically means is I have formed a view in my mind that an individual athlete has a case to answer in relation to a possible violation of Australia’s anti-doping code,” he said

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/asada-says-duped-essendon-players-could-receive-substantial-discounts-on-penalties-20140613-zs6i5.html#ixzz34Ti7qSmR







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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2584 on: June 13, 2014, 11:28:59 AM »
Bloke that really needs to be banished from the game is Hird, no ifs, buts or maybes

He created this mess, he must be punished for it
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2585 on: June 13, 2014, 12:23:03 PM »
No one would have batted an eyelid if the players got away with it.

Cheats the lot of them.

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« Reply #2586 on: June 13, 2014, 12:53:14 PM »
No one would have batted an eyelid if the players got away with it.

Cheats the lot of them.

I would

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2587 on: June 13, 2014, 02:15:41 PM »
Essendon/Hird  fanboy Slobbo's article this morning was a disgrace, if it was any other club he'd be sticking the boots in as hard as Caro....

17 other clubs surely can't all just stand by and let them keep dragging the comp through the mud for years on end....they need to insist they cop their wack or flat out refuse to play them.
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2588 on: June 13, 2014, 04:05:07 PM »
And Caro goes Whack! Whackety, Whack WHACK  :clapping  :bow

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Time to put players, club and the game ahead of lengthy legal stoush
Date June 13, 2014 - 3:07PM 
Caroline Wilson
Chief Football Writer for The Age

Ben McDevitt broke his silence on Friday and pointedly stated that the eyes of the World Anti-Doping Authority were on Australia and just how seriously it regarded its responsibility towards the international fight against performance-enhancing drugs.

We could state with some clarity that this is what WADA sees.

Primarily, it sees a football club, Essendon, still determined to lawyer up and potentially drag itself and its code through a lengthy court battle despite its own internal inquiry that concluded it ran a pharmaceutical program never adequately controlled or checked.

Second, it sees a senior coach, charged with the responsibility of its players, who employed people who regularly injected them with allegedly banned drugs. Drugs which on Thursday led to 34 of them receiving show-cause letters. A coach who is being paid to take a gap year and had his contract extended by two years. A coach who continues to blame others and a club that still cannot see that it must cut him loose.

WADA also sees two Essendon assistant coaches, Mark Thompson and Simon Goodwin, who failed to prevent the program and knew all about it, both promoted and given pay rises. Thompson raised the alarm but ultimately the program continued. It sees the then chief executive of the club, Ian Robson, who either knew or failed to know, shifted from Australian football to soccer and to one of that code’s biggest clubs.

And, perhaps most shamefully, it sees the experienced club doctor who was so concerned about the drugs program he wrote a heartfelt letter to the coach and the football boss complaining about it. And then continued to work at the club without further official complaint as the program intensified. A doctor who went unpunished and still runs the medical program at the club.

Now that the authorities have finally acted on 34 past and present Essendon players, the club appears still to be channelling its anger towards ASADA and its new boss McDevitt, who took the unusual step early on Friday of outlining possible details of a proposed deal with players that could see their sentences reduced to six months. This shows how delusional the Bombers remain and exposes once again the insane and irrelevant folly of last year’s James Hird-led anti-Demetriou campaign.

McDevitt also made it clear on Friday that should ASADA’s case be proven, there was no escaping suspension. Say what you like about his public commentary, but he clearly believes he has a case. The criticism levelled at the process-driven ASADA - or at times apparent lack of process - is no longer the issue.

It is true the Essendon players have already been subjected to a cruel form of emotional agony as they have played the waiting game. But the authorities led by retired Federal Court judge Garry Downes and now rolled out by McDevitt have not been taken without clear and strong reason.

Having re-interviewed compounding chemist Nima Alavi and Shane Charter, who supplied Essendon with drugs, ASADA appears convinced it has a case against the players strong enough to lead to infraction notices. But McDevitt has also made it clear that players who have co-operated and unknowingly taken banned drugs could receive reduced sentences.

Surely the club must ignore ill-judged advice to fight ASADA through the courts. Surely if the penalties come and can be reduced to six months, the players should take them and return at some stage next season. How much more bad advice can this club take given it now faces the clear threat of legal action from the players it failed?

If only that course of action had been pursued after the release of the Ziggy Switkowski report so much long-term damage could have been avoided or at least mitigated. Dragging this sorry and shameful case through the courts now will not help anyone and will do so much more damage to the game.

If there has been one recurring theme through this whole shocking mess, it has been the misguided, inflated egos and their ill-judged determination to cling to long-standing old boy friendships. The bad advice that has guided the selfish and culpable James Hird has not only punctuated this saga but symbolised it.

ASADA, in its determination to deal not with the AFL nor Essendon but only the players, may have gone some way to emphasising a divide that is now between those footballers and the men in power who let them down. The players may be disgusted with the procedures of the anti-doping authorities but there are growing signs they are becoming equally disgusted with their club.

Hird has failed at every opportunity to do the right thing and in doing so has gone a long way to ruining his reputation and his career.

He could still stand up and publicly and unreservedly apologise for his lack of diligence in first establishing and then failing to oversee the drugs program that led to this. He could take the blame, as he should, and this could help the cause of the footballers whose welfare he was entrusted with. He could finally put players and club first.

So could Bruce Reid, the club doctor who knew what was happening was wrong and failed to prevent it. How crazy that he was never punished at all, this trusted veteran who clung like Hird to his reputation and whose blind adoration of Hird overrode his responsibility to the players.

The misguided spin coming from Essendon is that the AFL and its key leaders led by Andrew Demetriou were the guilty party. That they were hiding something and had potentially broken the law. This remains as unlikely as it always was irrelevant.

The truth of the AFL’s failings is that it allowed Hird to be paid and sent away on a gap year and tried to do a deal with him. And worse, that when it needed to act on the irresponsible club doctor it lacked the energy and resolve to do so, feeling that Reid’s 40 years of the service to the game should save him.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/time-to-put-players-club-and-the-game-ahead-of-lengthy-legal-stoush-20140613-zs6zp.html#ixzz34UqP84sp
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2589 on: June 13, 2014, 04:26:15 PM »
I hope Essendon goes to court for the next 2 or 3 years and ends up with a massive legal bill for their court action. It will run into the millions of dollars and the club will get tainted even further. McDevitt isnt stupid he hasnt issued these notices without believing that he has a case against Essendon players. Hopefully when its all done, the Essendon players one by one start suing Essendon for this debacle and for their future loss of earnings. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2590 on: June 13, 2014, 04:55:30 PM »
Take some responsibility you pricks.

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2591 on: June 13, 2014, 05:03:12 PM »
I hope Essendon goes to court for the next 2 or 3 years and ends up with a massive legal bill for their court action. It will run into the millions of dollars and the club will get tainted even further. McDevitt isnt stupid he hasnt issued these notices without believing that he has a case against Essendon players. Hopefully when its all done, the Essendon players one by one start suing Essendon for this debacle and for their future loss of earnings. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

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Of course they'll do that, and then when theyre floundering ala Melbourne, the afl will pay out their footy department for them and allow them to buy the best in breed coaching setup and they'll be cherry ripe. Its a stuffing circus

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2592 on: June 13, 2014, 05:22:07 PM »
Justice will not be truly achieved until that unaccountable, drug pushing stockbroker coach admits his guilt, is banned from the AFL for life and is publicly and forever branded the self centered, coward he is
Caracella and Balmey.

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« Reply #2593 on: June 13, 2014, 05:23:33 PM »
Justice will not be truly achieved until that unaccountable, drug pushing stockbroker coach admits his guilt, is banned from the AFL for life and is publicly and forever branded the self centered, coward he is

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2594 on: June 13, 2014, 05:27:14 PM »
how stuffing stupid are people ?
He's left the country and these essendon stufftards want him back.
I think the other clubs need to protest his return on the grounds he brings the game into disrepute
Caracella and Balmey.