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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2910 on: September 19, 2014, 06:30:57 PM »
RETIRED Essendon midfielder Mark McVeigh has poured cold water on the use of supplements within the Bombers' fitness ranks.
The 232-game veteran threw his full support behind the Bombers' fitness and medical departments which included former staffer Steve Dank and strength and conditioning guru Dean Robinson. ;D
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2911 on: September 19, 2014, 06:46:52 PM »
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« Reply #2912 on: September 19, 2014, 07:02:23 PM »
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2913 on: September 19, 2014, 08:10:47 PM »
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« Reply #2914 on: September 19, 2014, 09:06:33 PM »
Storm in a teacup.

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2915 on: September 19, 2014, 09:43:25 PM »
Bomberblitz in meltdown with 50 pages posted just today in their ASADA thread :lol. Most still in denial that Essendon has done anything wrong and blaming today's loss in court on Evans self-reporting back in Feb 2013 :facepalm.

http://bomberblitz.com/forums/index.php?/topic/1083-asaga/page-1817

However, a small few are finally seeing the light and real mess their club is in.

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« Reply #2916 on: September 19, 2014, 09:47:41 PM »
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« Reply #2917 on: September 19, 2014, 09:51:24 PM »
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2918 on: September 19, 2014, 10:03:54 PM »
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You probably have to register as a member to read that thread? Joining up is good for a laugh though when Essendon is imploding.
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« Reply #2919 on: September 19, 2014, 10:47:13 PM »
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« Reply #2920 on: September 19, 2014, 11:00:11 PM »
Anyone said sorry to Kyle Reimers yet?

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2921 on: September 20, 2014, 03:15:08 AM »
For those of you wanting to pick over their carcass - might have to put the carrion in cold storage until 2016:

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/cronulla-sharks/essendon-bombers-players-could-face-12month-bans-following-federal-court-ruling-20140919-10jhnf.html
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2922 on: September 20, 2014, 03:20:20 AM »
Essendon Football Club Statement
September 19, 2014

Essendon Football Club is understandably disappointed at todays Federal Court decision.

Before deciding the next steps, we will consider the reasons for the final judgement, including whether or not to appeal this decision.

In taking these proceedings, our priority has been to protect and vindicate the legal rights and interests of the players.

The Club maintains its confidence that, on all the evidence available to us, neither harmful nor banned substances were given to the players during the supplements program of 2012.

Out of respect for the competition and the Clubs still competing this season, it is not our intention to provide any further commentary on this matter beyond today’s statement.

http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/2014-09-19/club-statement

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2923 on: September 20, 2014, 03:26:32 AM »
Robbo's comment ...

James Hird’s fate in hands of players after Federal Court failure
Mark Robinson
Herald-Sun
September 20, 2014


JAMES Hird is wounded, perhaps fatally.

His position as coach of Essendon next season clearly was less secure at 3pm than it was at 1pm, when Justice Middleton emphatically and stunningly dismissed Hird and Essendon’s application to throw out the ASADA-AFL investigation.

Call it what you will using any metaphor or slogan — a 20-goal drubbing, a financial bomb, a PR whacking, can No. 5 stay alive? — but the Bombers were flattened by the result.

Hird and Essendon went to the Federal Court to fight for the players after the players were issued show-cause notices.

Now, it would seem it will be the players who’ll decide if Hird, and by extension Mark Thompson, and Dr Bruce Reid, and chairman Paul Little and every other board member there through 2011 and 2012, will be at the club next year.

There’s an argument they should all resign en masse. But that won’t happen.

Hird won’t walk, either. It’s not in his DNA to walk. Some will call it arrogance and denial to the extreme. Others say he is a fighter, a fierce competitor, and he’ll do everything and take on anything to clear his name, the players and the footy club.

But Hird might not have a choice.

The 34 players have to answer show-cause notices.

They will decide either to fight them, which could add another 18 months to the nightmare with no confidence of a result, or accept a deal for a suspension which surely will be in the offing from ASADA chief executive Ben McDevitt.

The court case was a momentum killer and you have to ask if the players have had enough. Had enough of the drama, the headlines, the uncertainty, the anger and the body blows.

Already, Patrick Ryder is distressed — and has now requested a trade.

So what happens now?

The players were offered a deal before the Federal Court case began and you’d expect McDevitt would open negotiations again. He wants a swift end.

So does the AFL. It wont’ lean on McDevitt in any way because last time the league interfered — CEO Gill McLachlan suggested to Little that players voluntarily stand down to minimise future penalties, which doesn’t look a bad move today — the AFL was harangued by all and sundry.

The curly one is the players.

The worst-case scenario is a deal is for a 12-month ban and the best case a suspension possibly as short as three months.

In any situation, the players have to plead guilty to taking a banned substance.

There’s the curl.

Do they plead guilty to taking a banned drug when they believe they didn’t and be labelled drugs cheats for the rest of lives, or do they ignore the deals, fight ASADA against the show-cause notices and hopefully win the result?

No doubt, some of them will be emotional and the NRL result, where most of the players received three-month bans, could be inviting.

Until now — Ryder aside — the playing group has been rock solid.

It’s reasonable to suggest that after 20 months the players will continue to fight to clear their names. But you just never know.

If players do take deals — even just one player — then Hird is finished. So is Bomber and Reid and Little and the necessary board members.

You can’t have suspended players sitting in the stands and the senior officials of then coaching and managing in the now.

Everyone has pointed finger at Hird, but the responsibility is significant for the Little and the board.

Gut feel says the players won’t roll.

Gut feel says Hird and Essendon will likely appeal because they believe their legal argument was not addressed by Middleton.

What a mess it is for everyone.

Essendon has already blown in the vicinity of $5 million and an appeal could throw good money after bad. Justice Middleton almost dared them to, to further the stupidity of it all.

The Bombers also have to pay ASADA’s costs.

If the players take deals, the football club will be turned on its head. It will need a new coach and new board and greater resilience from the fans.

If the players take deals, the AFL has to be concerned about what happens to the competition next year. Can the Bombers field a team? Where do they find players? What happens to the media rights deal?

Then there’s Stephen Dank.

He walked into court 30 seconds before Justice Middleton and sat in the row behind Hird, Little and Bombers chief executive Xavier Campbell.

Audacity doesn’t cut it.

He maintained he didn’t give the players banned drugs and Little said the same out the front of Federal Court.

Friday was another day and another dollar and ASADA won the battle.

The war continues, however, which means more banging of heads against what feels like a brick wall.

http://www.news.com.au/national/james-hirds-fate-in-hands-of-players-after-federal-court-failure/story-e6frfkp9-1227064597571

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2924 on: September 20, 2014, 03:36:23 AM »
And Caro's comment ....

Essendon pays for misguided approach
  Caroline Wilson
     The Age
    September 20, 2014


The bad advice that has punctuated Essendon's  handling of its drug scandal since David Evans departed almost 14 months ago was exposed in an emphatic, costly way on Friday in the Federal Court.

Surely Paul Little's board cannot survive this. Little's defiant course showed signs of softening at the start of this season but accelerated when the club and James Hird joined forces in a bid to derail the ASADA investigation into the club's substance program of 2011 and 2012.

Having paid the banned Hird for his season in purgatory and signed the coach for a further two seasons in an overall cost of at least $2.5 million, Little's legal strategy has further placed the club in financial peril with lawyers bills now estimated at $2 million before Friday's court costs, albeit before insurance claims.

In the meantime, the AFL competition has been repeatedly hijacked by court dramas, conspiracy theories and pages of nebulous documentary evidence all designed to avoid the real issues at play. All in the name of justice when in fact Essendon itself admitted it ran a pharmaceutical program never adequately controlled or checked and has repeatedly refused to truly attempt to learn or face what drugs its players were actually given. A program that looks certain to cost the club its star ruckman  Paddy Ryder.

Just as Hird sealed his own fate by refusing back in April last season to step down and take responsibility, the club and Little now appear to have done the same by rejecting the path pursued by Evans,  which not only claimed to prioritise the players' interests, but actually did so.

Evans'   mistake was to hand a ridiculous amount of influence to an untried coach who was a close friend. A coach working under a CEO who failed to manage his football department. But Evans not only put players first he cared about the competition and its reputation.

All Essendon and Hird achieved from taking ASADA to court was to further damage the AFL's name and its processes. Hird managed to throw in a few gratuitous whacks at his bitter enemy Andrew Demetriou and former friend Evans along the way.

Now Little's tenure is under threat and he will receive little sympathy from the 17 other clubs, who have had a gutful of Essendon's damaging tactics. At least two directors – Greg Brown and Phil Pryor –  will depart before December's annual general meeting.

Former player Justin Blumfield and one-time Melbourne Storm boss Ron Gauci – who interviewed for the Bomber CEO's role late last year – are two names being promoted by a group which plans take on the Little regime. The chairman  has a board that is not united, with new director Simon Madden's role expected to be pivotal in the coming months. The Justice John Middleton decision was seen as pivotal to the future of the Little's regime at this most political of AFL clubs.

While the AFL played no official role in the Federal Court challenge, Friday's finding was an endorsement of its new CEO Gillon McLachlan, who oversaw the Essendon investigation last year.

 McLachlan's integrity boss Brett Clothier held the view from the outset that the investigation would be tainted unless all the parties involved worked together and shared their knowledge. It was a view to which Clothier remained wedded and though some of his and the AFL's tactics did not emerge well from the court hearing their strategy was vindicated by Justice Middleton.

The discredited Stephen Dank made a cameo appearance in court on Friday. How ironic that he or the compounding chemist Nima Alavi could prove to be the star witness who could save the players. After all, so many of these drugs came from China and perhaps now Dank – who changed his story after alleging the players took the banned Thyamosin-Beta 4 – will say even he has no idea what exactly was in them.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-pays-for-misguided-approach-20140919-10jkma.html

Bombers face crippling legal bill after court orders club to pay costs

Essendon faces a massive legal bill after losing its Federal Court challenge against the AFL and the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority. The club's legal bill stood conservatively at close to $2 million - although insurance will offset this - before the club on Friday was ordered to pay costs. This was after Justice John Middleton emphatically found in favour of ASADA, ultimately validating the anti-doping body's joint investigation with the AFL into the Bombers' 2011-2012 drug program.

Paul Little's hold on the chairmanship of the embattled club looked tenuous late on Friday after the failure of his bold and costly attempt to take on ASADA. Justice Middleton's ruling left Little facing an increasingly divided board concerned at the ongoing damage to the club and the costly nature of his leadership.

Some directors and influential Essendon supporters have also become disenchanted about the return of suspended coach Hird, who also took on ASADA and lost. At least three directors are expected to depart the club before the forthcoming annual general meeting, with one former player and several well-known supporters looking at nominating to achieve a five-four majority over Little and his supporters at the board table.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/bombers-face-crippling-legal-bill-after-court-orders-club-to-pay-costs-20140919-10jhz4.html