What's our best 22 now?

[the claw]

b/  morris - chaplin - grimes.
hb/ batchelor - rance - vlastuin.

c/  grigg - tuck - conca.
r/  maric - deledio  - cotchin.

hf/  s edwards - riewoldt - martin.
f/  vickery - griffiths - a edwards.

int/ ellis - knights - foley - helbig/newman/nahas/houli/king/jackson.

the one deficiency is leg speed though all the talls bar jack  and ivan are quick for their size.
would be tempted to play someone like helbig back and release morris to a midfield run with role.

2nds
b/ newman -  darrou - mcintosh
hb/ dea  -  astbury  -  verrier

c/  nahas - arnot - houli.
r/ derickx - jackson - king

hf/ ohanlon - elton - white
f/  mcdough - mcguane - ??????

int/ mcbean /?????/?????/?????.

the lack of genuine mids is plain to see along with tall kpfs.
one has to question the rucks as well.

[tigs2011]

Expecting to be howled down but based solely on form in the 2nd half of the season I really do wonder if Newman is still in our best 22 

You make a good point

But bacha the squib houli is surely in the same boat

Did you even watch games this year?

Agree on Newman though.

Are you trying to deny that Houli is soft? He has less of a crack than McMahon. At least Jordy didn't try to hide his softness. I love it when Houli has the opportunity to go back with the flight and take a grab but he chooses to stay where he is and rove the crumbs. It's especially good to watch when the contest is only a 1 on 1 yet he still refuses to go back with the flight
Weak as pee but can kick a footy.

In fairness he's getting better. Coming off a low base though. 

[Coach]

Getting better at what? Shirking contests?

[Eat_em_Alive]

b/  morris - chaplin - grimes.
hb/ batchelor - rance - vlastuin.

c/  grigg - tuck - conca.
r/  maric - deledio  - cotchin.

hf/  s edwards - riewoldt - martin.
f/  vickery - griffiths - a edwards.

int/ ellis - knights - foley - helbig/newman/nahas/houli/king/jackson.

the one deficiency is leg speed though all the talls bar jack  and ivan are quick for their size.
would be tempted to play someone like helbig back and release morris to a midfield run with role.

2nds
b/ newman -  darrou - mcintosh
hb/ dea  -  astbury  -  verrier

c/  nahas - arnot - houli.
r/ derickx - jackson - king

hf/ ohanlon - elton - white
f/  mcdough - mcguane - ??????

int/ mcbean /?????/?????/?????.

the lack of genuine mids is plain to see along with tall kpfs.
one has to question the rucks as well.

That's a strong senior list and an impressive reserves list, though despite what you, I or anyone else here thinks... Newman, king and jackson will be in the seniors more often than not

[Smokey]

Newman will be an interesting prospect this year without the burden of captaincy.  Will he regain his dash and impact of years gone by or will he continue to fade a la 2012.

[tigs2011]

Getting better at what? Shirking contests?

Nah he goes in harder than the start of his RFC career. Hard to notice unless you take the low base he began with into consideration. 

[Judge Roughneck]

Bachelor. Grimes. Chaplin.
Vlastuin. Rance. Conca / Ellis.
Grigg. Cotchin. Knights / Newman.
Martin. Griffiths. S.Edwards.
Deledio. Riewoldt. Vickery.
Maric. Morris. Tuck / Foley

Sub - Houli

[Eat_em_Alive]

That's a pretty strong list there bents, is houli the sub?
I think hed make a good sub with his pace

[Judge Roughneck]

That's a pretty strong list there bents, is houli the sub?

Yes sir.

I think hed make a good sub with his pace

I concur.

Bachelor. Grimes. Chaplin.
Vlastuin. Rance. Conca / Ellis.
Grigg. Cotchin. Knights / Newman.
Martin. Griffiths. S.Edwards.
Deledio. Riewoldt. Vickery.
Maric. Morris. Tuck / Foley

Sub - Houli

1st XXII Above.

2nd XXII:

Mcintosh. McBean. Verrier/Darrou
Dea. Astbury. Gideon Simon.
Jackson. McDonough. White.
OHanlon. Elton. Nahas.
McGaune. A.Edwards. King.
Derick. Helbig. Aarnot.

[Coach]

McDonut is a centreman?

[Judge Roughneck]

HFF when Toy is drafted 

[Ox]

Chaplin needs to do an I Maric job in his first season.

[tigs2011]

McDonut is a centreman?

Definitely can play there. How many minutes he spends in there depends how quickly he can shed that donut attached to his stomach.

[the claw]

McDonut is a centreman?

Definitely can play there. How many minutes he spends in there depends how quickly he can shed that donut attached to his stomach.

im glad to see your optimistic about that. from what i can glean on him he has a long way to go to become a proficient afl midfielder.
while he has managed to spend limited time in the midfield as a part of rotations etc he is primarily a forward who we will have to develop into a mid. with our develoment record i wont be holding my breath.

but rather than just focus on the negatives if we can turn him into a mid he could be a very good player. ive been looking at what i can get on him he certainly kicks goals he certainly has very good skills both sides  now that is unrichmond like.. not sure about pace and at 179cm have a question about height though hes a solid kid which is good.
 dont know about motor  at a guess would say its not great and probably one reason he plays primarily forward.
will say with his skills which look great even if he does not become a mid he looks  an upgrade on the other sml forwards we have.

dont have a problem with him as a player but again i do ask if we wanted a mid why did we not just take a proven one. that is the only gripe. i dont really have a problem with any of the players we took but i will question what the roles they will perform and  actually have performed regularly.

[Penelope]

doubt he will ever be a pure mid, but if comes on he will be a forward who can rotate through the middle. he has raked up 30+ possession games and has the skill, particularily dual sided precise kicking, to play stints in the midfield, but like most draftees he is a long way off even making the grade.