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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2685 on: July 04, 2014, 02:13:51 PM »

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2686 on: July 04, 2014, 07:43:26 PM »
Loved the comments from the eminent oncologist, Mark 'Bomber' Thompson:

He insists his players aren't facing health risks over the club's 2012 supplements program, despite revelations the AFL was monitoring them over fears of cancer and hormonal problems.

Thompson said on Friday the Essendon players had been extensively briefed by club officials regarding the supplements given to them.

"I think it's OK. The players have been communicated to by specialists and the drugs, the supplements that we have given the players, they know that they're not harmful," Thompson told reporters.

"There's no risk. One actually helps in part of the treatment for cancer.

"So we haven't got a problem there at all as far as our communication and our players' awareness of what's healthy and what's not."


http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-07-04/no-cancer-risk-thompson

All this assurance despite being able to provide a shred of evidence about what was given to whom in what dosage.  Is it just me or are these idiots some primal form of uber-ostrich that have their collective heads dug so deep in the sand they feel earth tremors before seismic monitoring devices?   :huh :huh :huh

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2687 on: July 04, 2014, 08:37:29 PM »
Omg this is beyond a joke, they can't tell anyone what they gave their players because they didn't 'keep records' but somehow they can assure the players what they gave them is not harmful. Throw the book at this club and shut them down, what a farce

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2688 on: July 05, 2014, 01:56:31 AM »
Richmond or Essendon, who produces the most spin?

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2689 on: July 05, 2014, 03:02:59 AM »
JAMES Hird has signalled a move by Essendon to recover its first and second round picks in this year’s national draft.

Hird’s lawyer, Steven Amendola, yesterday declared the AFL’s chief medical officer, Dr Peter Harcourt, during an address in Zurich, had blatantly breached a non-disparagement agreement made with the club in his tell-all Zurich address.

Essendon was fined $2 million and stripped of two years of crucial draft picks last August for bringing the game into dispute.

Amendola told the Herald Sun he believed the Bombers now were within their rights to seek participation in the early rounds of this year’s draft.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/lawyers-representing-james-hird-suggests-essendon-has-case-to-reclaim-2014-draft-picks-players-identities-protected/story-e6frf3e3-1226978247680?


Delusional  :rollin

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2690 on: July 05, 2014, 03:06:13 AM »
BOMBERS coach Mark Thompson has thrown down the gauntlet to the AFL, refusing to pay his $30,000 fine over footy’s supplements scandal.

The Herald Sun can reveal Thompson has written to AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan to tell him he does not intend to stump up the cash.

In a direct challenge to the AFL’s authority, Thompson says the fine is null and void because the league breached a “non-disparagement” agreement.

Thompson has already ignored several requests to pay the fine, imposed by the AFL Commission last August and which he believes is not due until October.

The dual premiership coach was understood to have been awaiting the outcome of Essendon’s Federal Court challenge to the joint AFL-Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority investigation before deciding whether to pay the fine.

But after statements by AFL chief medical officer Dr Peter Harcourt emerged this week, Thompson became incensed.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/mark-thompson-refuses-to-pay-30000-fine-over-essendon-doping-scandal/story-fndv7pj3-1226978358116


Delusional part II.

I bet he wouldn't be doing this if there wasn't only 8 weeks remaining in his AFL coaching career :nopity.

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ASADA ups ante on Essendon (Age)
« Reply #2691 on: July 05, 2014, 03:10:26 AM »
And ASADA hits back  ;D

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ASADA ups ante on Essendon
Samantha Lane
    The Age
    July 5, 2014


The Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority has moved to bolster its case against Essendon players – and Stephen Dank – by seizing an interview where the biochemist discussed the use of banned drug Thymosin Beta-4 at the AFL club.

Fairfax Media can reveal that in recent days ASADA has sought, and obtained, fresh evidence to help corroborate the serious allegation it delivered in writing last month to 34 former and current AFL players.

In show-cause notices, the national anti-doping agency outlined its belief that 34 footballers used Thymosin Beta-4 in a supplements regime conducted largely in secret, and run by Dank, in 2011/12.

Despite demands made in the Federal Court, by Essendon and exiled coach James Hird, that ASADA should halt anti-doping proceedings against the Bombers, it has emerged the drug authority has not been deterred from gathering further evidence.

ASADA chief executive Ben McDevitt issued a disclosure notice to Fairfax journalist Nick McKenzie last week, demanding that an on-record interview he conducted with Dank in April, 2013, be handed over.

ASADA’s wide-ranging powers can compel individuals to produce information that would assist the national anti-doping authority with investigations. Refusal to cooperate can incur fines of $5100 per day.

A recording of the on-record portion of the interview where Dank discussed the “immune system” benefits of Thymosin Beta 4 was released to the anti-doping authority this week. A transcript of the on-record discussion was also provided.

In the disclosure notice McDevitt demanded “any and all recordings and notes of conversations had with Mr Stephen Dank in relation to his purported use of Thymosin Beta-4 and, or Thymomodulin at Essendon Football Club in 2010”. No off-the-record material has been passed on to ASADA.

Dank stated in the Fairfax interview: “…There is good data – very good data – that supports Thymosin Beta 4 in the immune system.” Asked about how Thymosin Beta-4 might have helped Essendon players, he said: “Often times the ability to back up next week is decreased by the hit on the immune system.”

Dank explained the dosage level of Thymosin Beta-4 he used at Essendon, but asked that those details not be published. When he was informed that ASADA had just released that Thymosin Beta 4 was prohibited for athletes, Dank said: “Well, that must have just only come in this year and I will get someone to speak to ASADA about that. That's just mind-blowing.”

A day after the interview, Dank sought to retract his comments regarding Thymosin Beta 4 and insisted he had used Thymomodulin, a substance permitted under WADA rules, at Essendon.

While Fairfax has published excerpts of the interview with Dank – portions of which authorities may view as an admission to use of Thymosin Beta-4 – ASADA has now seen fit to consider it as part of its own formal information-gathering process.

The development could have critical ramifications for the footballers, and follows revelations in Federal Court this week that the AFL’s chief medical officer Dr Peter Harcourt told a sports conference last November there was “probable” use of performance-enhancing drugs at Essendon in 2012.

Dr Harcourt also stated at the conference: “Because they [the Essendon players] were given such exotic substances, many of them growth factors, which means that we are looking at potential hormonal issues or cancers.”

The fact ASADA is continuing to gather evidence also suggests it is preparing to pursue the cases it has made against players and Dank regardless of the Federal Court ruling on the validity of the probe it conducted with the AFL last year.

Throughout a 17-month investigation Dank has maintained his program complied with World Anti-Doping Agency rules. After the supplements program commenced, Essendon players obtained written assurances to satisfy themselves that everything in the regime was legal.

The footballers, unified in a group legal defence since ASADA formally accused 34 players of using Thymosin Beta-4, are disputing the allegation that could lead to bans of between six months and two years.

With show-cause notices issued, however, players are now in the position where they must prove they did not use Thymosin Beta-4.

Dank was issued with a show-cause notice from ASADA some 16 weeks ago. The notice alleged he committed more than 30 anti-doping rule violations during his time working for Essendon and the Gold Coast Suns.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/asada-ups-ante-on-essendon-20140704-zswsf.html

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Essendon's board, virtually unchanged through a doping probe that has seen an overhaul of the club's football department, could yet be scrutinised for a program the AFL's medical boss believes involved ''probable'' use of banned drugs.

In his stunningly candid address in Zurich last November, Dr Peter Harcourt also flagged the ''need'' to look at the top of the tree at Essendon.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-board-could-be-facing-scrutiny-20140704-zsx22.html

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2692 on: July 05, 2014, 05:15:55 AM »

Whack.

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2693 on: July 05, 2014, 08:20:36 AM »
Did anybody else notice Bomber Thompson's slip of the tongue when he referred to the "drugs" they'd administered to the players, then quickly corrected himself and said "supplements"? Gold.
Then he stammered out some pitiful excuse that some of these "supplements' even helped in the prevention of cancer.
Also, it was pretty funny the other day, Essendon claiming they'd had a win in court because the judge had agreed to protect the anonymity of the players involved. I think that when the Bummers run out with a gaping hole of about 20 absentee players on the field for the next couple of years, the public will be able to fill in the blanks somehow. 

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2694 on: July 05, 2014, 09:12:53 AM »
Loved the comments from the eminent oncologist, Mark 'Bomber' Thompson:

He insists his players aren't facing health risks over the club's 2012 supplements program, despite revelations the AFL was monitoring them over fears of cancer and hormonal problems.

Thompson said on Friday the Essendon players had been extensively briefed by club officials regarding the supplements given to them.

"I think it's OK. The players have been communicated to by specialists and the drugs, the supplements that we have given the players, they know that they're not harmful," Thompson told reporters.

"There's no risk. One actually helps in part of the treatment for cancer.

"So we haven't got a problem there at all as far as our communication and our players' awareness of what's healthy and what's not."


http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-07-04/no-cancer-risk-thompson

All this assurance despite being able to provide a shred of evidence about what was given to whom in what dosage.  Is it just me or are these idiots some primal form of uber-ostrich that have their collective heads dug so deep in the sand they feel earth tremors before seismic monitoring devices?   :huh :huh :huh

Omg this is beyond a joke, they can't tell anyone what they gave their players because they didn't 'keep records' but somehow they can assure the players what they gave them is not harmful. Throw the book at this club and shut them down, what a farce


It's getting hot in the kitchen

Doctor bomber can cure cancer  :clapping

With undocumented drugs. That just happen to not be to WADA banned

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2695 on: July 05, 2014, 12:46:42 PM »
Send them a message and give players the maximum potential bans. Bugger them thinking they are above it all. Who cares who said what and what was taken, the fact that you kept 0 records of it is mind boggling  :banghead

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Re: ASADA ups ante on Essendon (Age)
« Reply #2696 on: July 06, 2014, 02:16:35 AM »
And ASADA hits back  ;D

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ASADA ups ante on Essendon
Samantha Lane
    The Age
    July 5, 2014


ASADA’s wide-ranging powers can compel individuals to produce information that would assist the national anti-doping authority with investigations. Refusal to cooperate can incur fines of $5100 per day.

Dank was issued with a show-cause notice from ASADA some 16 weeks ago. The notice alleged he committed more than 30 anti-doping rule violations during his time working for Essendon and the Gold Coast Suns.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/asada-ups-ante-on-essendon-20140704-zswsf.html

He should be up for atleast $650000 now if they're serious.

What a bunch of softies are running ASADA its a bloody joke it's gone on this long.
« Last Edit: July 06, 2014, 04:37:16 PM by WilliamPowell »
The club that keeps giving.

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2697 on: July 08, 2014, 03:28:23 AM »
Caro goes whack  ;D


Essendon continues to duck for cover

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    July 8, 2014


The latest and potentially most laughable attempt by Essendon to make the AFL accountable for its own dangerous and potentially illegal drugs program has struck a chord as the club continues to point the finger and duck for cover while making its way through a costly line of courtrooms.

And that chord has nothing to do with the Bombers’ illogical conspiracy theories nor their delusional attacks on the AFL’s Dr Peter Harcourt. What has become increasingly apparent as the club continues to show no remorse is that the AFL was soft on Essendon.

The Adelaide Football Club has every right to question why Essendon has been allowed back into the national draft at the end of its first round when the Crows were stripped of two rounds of picks for two years over the Kurt Tippett affair – a serious transgression but incomparable to the human experimentation that went on at Windy Hill.

Adelaide chief executive Stephen Trigg deserved his six month unpaid suspension, but he must be wondering how James Hird – whose actions caused his club to be charged with bringing the game into disrepute – was given a two-year contract extension and a fully-paid gap year at a time when Essendon is rattling the tins to pay for its new Tullamarine facility.

Departed Melbourne football boss Chris Connolly, along with friends and family of the late Dean Bailey – both suspended for their role in the tanking affair – must be wondering how senior assistant Mark Thompson won a promotion and a pay rise for failing to control the drug program instigated by Stephen Dank, Dean Robinson and Hird.

The AFL fined Thompson the paltry sum of $30,000 and gave him more for than 12 months to pay it. Now Thompson is questioning the fine on the basis that Harcourt disparaged Essendon by telling the truth in a keynote speech to an international conference. If that was disparagement, then what were Tania Hird’s public rantings and conspiracy theories?

Thompson’s latest pearler on the subject would be laughable too if the situation was not so shameful. The caretaker coach said on Friday that no harmful drugs were given to his players. "There’s no risk," said Thompson. "One actually helps in part of the treatment for cancer."

Thompson, who virtually appointed himself Hird’s mentor and guide and was paid handsomely to be as much, had no right nor basis to form this opinion because the club still cannot tell the players what drugs they were given. The players were warned by ASADA and AFL investigators and their players’ union last year that they faced long-term health risks and yet Harcourt has been used as their fall guy for mentioning cancer because his organisation is helping monitor those risks.

At any rate Thompson’s comments begged the question: Why were the Bombers given anti-carcinogenic drugs? Why for that matter were they given anti-obesity drugs? Why on earth were they given a drug used for the treatment of muscular dystrophy? Why is the club trying to stall ASADA’s investigation when the players and their families deserve answers, not avoidance?

But the AFL was weakest of all in its handling of club doctor Bruce Reid. That Harcourt has been in the gun, when Essendon had a doctor whose obligation was to put his players’ health ahead of personal friendships and club loyalty and yet could not meet those obligations, remains baffling.

Reid was so concerned about the drugs program he wrote a letter to senior football staff including Hird. He now says he believed his concerns had been dealt with and that he was frozen out. How can Reid have been so blind for so many months?

And if he was, why did he show ongoing slavish devotion to Hird throughout the course of last year as the awful truth emerged? Reid had a responsibility to know what was happening and follow up on his disturbing letter. It is not enough for him to alone blame Dank and Robinson.

In the end, he failed his players and now the system must monitor them over the long term for all manner of serious health problems.

Reid should have been suspended but was saved by his longevity in the job, the implications for his medical status and the good bloke discount that applies too often in the AFL.

Essendon in turn admitted him into the club’s Hall Of Fame.

And yet Reid believed he escaped suspension because he threatened to take the AFL to court. Hird believes he took the fall for others and now apparently – despite his heartfelt apology to the Commission last August – is back to square one in the belief he did nothing wrong. How on earth can he be entrusted with his players again if he cannot see what he was guilty of in the past?

The legal manoeuvre by Essendon and Hird is damaging to the game. Hird remains delusional, but the action cannot help the 34 players he purports to defend in the long run. Was Hird – and Reid for that matter – to finally put his hand up and admit to some serious failings then that would help the footballers he failed as the players’ defence is largely based upon the fact they were misled.

But that is unlikely to happen. The way we see it Hird loses either way. Should the players receive infraction notices his job is gone and so – potentially – is his payout. Should he finally do the right thing and take responsibility and stop the finger-pointing he clearly fears he will lose his job, and what lies ahead for him then?

Gemba? Unlikely. Who could possibly turn to a company Hird once fronted, a company priding itself on corporate governance expertise with Hird as a major player?

This regime – including the board which continues to push its legal charade in an attempt to bury the truth – remains so deluded regarding its clear responsibilities. That anyone involved with Essendon attempted to spread the story that the alleged player mother who called Triple M was a fraud when that could not have been known is so shameful.

Then again perhaps we shouldn’t be surprised. This after all was a regime born in deception. As matters stand that is probably the way it will die. But that death looks headed to be long and slow.

Had the AFL been tougher, truly taken Essendon on, worried less about the deal and avoiding court and more about doing the right thing then perhaps the short-term pain of a troubled September would have been worth the long-term gain.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-continues-to-duck-for-cover-20140707-zsz9w.html

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2698 on: July 08, 2014, 06:54:33 AM »
Caro goes whack  ;D

 :yep and has the guts to write what a lot of people think

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2699 on: July 08, 2014, 08:30:52 AM »
Caro goes whack  ;D

 :yep and has the guts to write what a lot of people every single AFL person except for Essendon supporters and sycophants think

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