One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: MintOnLamb on April 25, 2015, 05:38:52 AM
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Until we get a real list manager and recruiters who understand the type of players required to build a successful team, forget it.
The players Melbourne have recruited were all available to us.
We have done exceptionally badly building a qualiry list with depth, Francis Jackson and your recruiting team hang your heads in shame.
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I think when analysing possible recruiting targets we need to focus on their personality traits and whether they will make good leaders, we seem to go for players who you would be happy to introduce to your mum but when it comes to leaders we continually recruit introverts. So many introverts in one team means no one puts their hand up and says lift with me when things get tough. We have a very small handful of what i would call extroverted players namely Rance and Jack but apart from them we have very little and believe that's the source of our problem. Cotch is a good player and will lead by example but he isn't a natural leader and don't believe he ever will be. Until we improve the balance of introverts vs extroverts i think we will always struggle in games such as last night. Last night young Jesse Hogan a 4 gamer was continually yelling at his teammates to cover their opponents or other positional directions, 4 games he has played, made our so called leaders look like meek little boys.
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Who cares.
It's 1999 and Giesche may as well be coaching.
Lets draft a Fiora over a Pavlich type and keep the tradition of failure going. ;D
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I think when analysing possible recruiting targets we need to focus on their personality traits and whether they will make good leaders, we seem to go for players who you would be happy to introduce to your mum but when it comes to leaders we continually recruit introverts. So many introverts in one team means no one puts their hand up and says lift with me when things get tough. We have a very small handful of what i would call extroverted players namely Rance and Jack but apart from them we have very little and believe that's the source of our problem. Cotch is a good player and will lead by example but he isn't a natural leader and don't believe he ever will be. Until we improve the balance of introverts vs extroverts i think we will always struggle in games such as last night. Last night young Jesse Hogan a 4 gamer was continually yelling at his teammates to cover their opponents or other positional directions, 4 games he has played, made our so called leaders look like meek little boys.
Correct me if Im wrong but haven't we supposedly been recruiting young men who will go on to become fine leaders? I could've sworn that every early draft pick chosen is bc we also really rate their leadership potential.
I agree wholeheartedly with what you say btw
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Chris Newman
Dylan Grimes
Shaun Grigg
Matt Dea
Chris Knights
Jake Batchelor
Rick Petterd
Shaun Hampson
Nathan Gordon
Sam Lloyd
Tyrone Vickery
Reece Conca
Steve Morris
Nathan Foley
Troy Chaplin
Bachar Houli
You wouldn't get any change from $4 million from that lot. That's where the damage is. The money being paid for the return is not their. It just isn't. We accrue average footballers, battlers who try hard and we pay them plenty for the priviledge. A proper administration who knew what they were doing in football terms would never get themselves into this position. $ 4 million per season gets you 4 to 6 "A Grade talents" instead we have people on the verge of retirement, injury prone players and players who are just depth players. There is no professionalism at Richmond. They are just kidding themselves and us. That is all.
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a caller on SEN last night rung in to discuss our draft picks post pick 20 for the past decade...... only 3 of them are any good. not a word of a lie, have a check for yourself. it gets scary when you look further & look at who was overlooked in favour of these players....
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a caller on SEN last night rung in to discuss our draft picks post pick 20 for the past decade...... only 3 of them are any good. not a word of a lie, have a check for yourself. it gets scary when you look further & look at who was overlooked in favour of these players....
Was it claw? He's been saying this for years now as have others.
Let's all sing the RFC recruitment song together 1,2,3,4
OOPS! FJ did it again....🎶
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Watching Matty White running around for Port, gee i wish we still had that speed, another stupid list management decision
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How long does it take to build a premiership team?
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How long does it take to build a premiership team?
You cant ever win a premiership when you give away $4 or $5 million a year to injury prone, older players or depth players. Look at my previous post. A good management team would never allow that to happen.
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How long does it take to build a premiership team?
Apparently is 7-8 years.
So using that blueprint we are two years away.
However we are the RFC. We may be competitive in 2045.
We work on 35 year plans.
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I haven't posted for a while, but after Friday nights game I started thinking about our list and our drafting. I wrote a few things down yesterday for a bit of therapy but wasn't going to post it but I would like to hear peoples thoughts on it.
My philosophy on drafting/list management
-never draft a ruckmen with your first or second pick- trade for a proven ruckman and rookie or late draft pick others. Every year a proven ruckman comes up for trade.
All ruckman drafted or traded for should be 200cm plus
-when drafting for a key position player only pick guys that are 190 to 196cm that run and not lope. Guys bigger than this just are not agile enough. They should be almost midfielders that can compete in the air.
Draft only players with a decent frame on them with a competitive instinct. A player that wants to get involved with all parts of the game- not just a bloke who can mark and kick. Perfect example is a Jack Darling type. Or Pav.
No more hybrid types- pick a KPP or pick a ruckman... Simple!
-draft genuine on-ballers, not wingman or flankers. Draft kids that played on-ball before they got drafted, there is usually a reason they played on-ball and not on a wing or a flank. Our list is full of flankers and wingman. Excluding last year our last 4 years of first round picks are all wingers or flankers or hybrid types. (Conca, Ellis, Vlastuin and Lennon) not one of them will ever be a genuine midfielder.
The only genuine young midfielder on our list that didn't play last night is Corey Ellis. IMO a decent on-ballers should be 185cm plus to complete properly these days (there is some exceptions of course) and need pace. You need players that can hold their body over the ball when like last night it's wet or windy or simply just congested.
-IMO the only time you draft a kid that isn't a KPP or a genuine mid with your first 3 picks is when you draft a small forward. The most important quality for a small forward is genuine speed. The RFC hasn't has a decent small forward for as long as I can remember. They just don't put enough importance on it. If it were up to me I would play 2 of Betts, Ballentine, Walters, even Gartlett types every week. They are more important than ever these days. Our Lloyd, Knights, Gordon, McDonough types just don't have any tricks, goal sense, genuine speed or will to get down and dirty.
Our side should consist of the following IMO
1x genuine ruckman- (Maric)
6x KPP (with at least one that can compete in the ruck) (Jack, Rance, Grimes, ?,?,?) (hoping McKenzie if we can get him fit)
2x genuine small forwards- (Edwards, ?)
13x genuine mids- all rotating through the middle, flanks and off the bench- (Cotch, Lids, Dusty, McIntosh, Corey Ellis, and maybe Vlastuin, ?,?,?,?,?,?,?) (hoping Menadue if we can put some meat on his bones)
So there is a lot of ?,? still in our starting 22 IMO without even thinking about the two's.
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Plonk two electrifying small forwards in our team that also can pressure opposition backs and you transform our team.
At one stage in the game on Friday I looked up at the scoreboard and noticed we had 32 inside 50s to 19 and yet we were behind the demons. We just need to get more reward for effort and a couple of guys that can kick goals and stop easy exit by the opposition.
That would be a good start to our problems......
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Plonk two electrifying small forwards in our team that also can pressure opposition backs and you transform our team.
At one stage in the game on Friday I looked up at the scoreboard and noticed we had 32 inside 50s to 19 and yet we were behind the demons. We just need to get more reward for effort and a couple of guys that can kick goals and stop easy exit by the opposition.
That would be a good start to our problems......
Mate we got Grigg and Newman dont stress
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I haven't posted for a while, but after Friday nights game I started thinking about our list and our drafting. I wrote a few things down yesterday for a bit of therapy but wasn't going to post it but I would like to hear peoples thoughts on it.
My philosophy on drafting/list management
-never draft a ruckmen with your first or second pick- trade for a proven ruckman and rookie or late draft pick others. Every year a proven ruckman comes up for trade.
All ruckman drafted or traded for should be 200cm plus
-when drafting for a key position player only pick guys that are 190 to 196cm that run and not lope. Guys bigger than this just are not agile enough. They should be almost midfielders that can compete in the air.
Draft only players with a decent frame on them with a competitive instinct. A player that wants to get involved with all parts of the game- not just a bloke who can mark and kick. Perfect example is a Jack Darling type. Or Pav.
No more hybrid types- pick a KPP or pick a ruckman... Simple!
-draft genuine on-ballers, not wingman or flankers. Draft kids that played on-ball before they got drafted, there is usually a reason they played on-ball and not on a wing or a flank. Our list is full of flankers and wingman. Excluding last year our last 4 years of first round picks are all wingers or flankers or hybrid types. (Conca, Ellis, Vlastuin and Lennon) not one of them will ever be a genuine midfielder.
The only genuine young midfielder on our list that didn't play last night is Corey Ellis. IMO a decent on-ballers should be 185cm plus to complete properly these days (there is some exceptions of course) and need pace. You need players that can hold their body over the ball when like last night it's wet or windy or simply just congested.
-IMO the only time you draft a kid that isn't a KPP or a genuine mid with your first 3 picks is when you draft a small forward. The most important quality for a small forward is genuine speed. The RFC hasn't has a decent small forward for as long as I can remember. They just don't put enough importance on it. If it were up to me I would play 2 of Betts, Ballentine, Walters, even Gartlett types every week. They are more important than ever these days. Our Lloyd, Knights, Gordon, McDonough types just don't have any tricks, goal sense, genuine speed or will to get down and dirty.
Our side should consist of the following IMO
1x genuine ruckman- (Maric)
6x KPP (with at least one that can compete in the ruck) (Jack, Rance, Grimes, ?,?,?) (hoping McKenzie if we can get him fit)
2x genuine small forwards- (Edwards, ?)
13x genuine mids- all rotating through the middle, flanks and off the bench- (Cotch, Lids, Dusty, McIntosh, Corey Ellis, and maybe Vlastuin, ?,?,?,?,?,?,?) (hoping Menadue if we can put some meat on his bones)
So there is a lot of ?,? still in our starting 22 IMO without even thinking about the two's.
BT, this is exactly the type of discussion, program and plan required at RFC, i love your thinking and know it should be adopted/adapted and run with.
We are bagging our coach but our list manager, list management dept is the one/s who should have the long term strategy in place.
Honestly RFC is ADADS (as dumb as dog poo) if they don't understand the importance of this.
Roos understands it and has picked up fantastic cast offs, imagine Heriter and Garlick running around for us, way better than FJH ( Francis Jacksons Hacks)
Until our magnificent club changes its list management department and philosophy we are DOOMED DOOMED DOOMED, to failure and abject despair.
Have i a right to make these comments, yes i have contributted to RFC for over 30 years including save our skinS and FTF.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
SACK Jackson and his pansy dept and get some people in there who know what they are doing.
Big Tone, i reckon you me and Claw could to a far better job than the pustules who are running our recruiting dept and have basically brought us to our knees.
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Plonk two electrifying small forwards in our team that also can pressure opposition backs and you transform our team.
At one stage in the game on Friday I looked up at the scoreboard and noticed we had 32 inside 50s to 19 and yet we were behind the demons. We just need to get more reward for effort and a couple of guys that can kick goals and stop easy exit by the opposition.
That would be a good start to our problems......
Not kicking to the pockets would also help
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Vlastuin and Conca are both primarily inside mids IMO.
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Plonk two electrifying small forwards in our team that also can pressure opposition backs and you transform our team.
At one stage in the game on Friday I looked up at the scoreboard and noticed we had 32 inside 50s to 19 and yet we were behind the demons. We just need to get more reward for effort and a couple of guys that can kick goals and stop easy exit by the opposition.
That would be a good start to our problems......
Not kicking to the pockets would also help
what the hell is going on with us kicking the ball to the forward pockets all the time? All the good times use the corridor far more often than we do and they don't go as often to the pockets as we do. The game plan sux.
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We're on the record as a club saying we kick to the pockets because the thinking is if we don't jag a mark we can force a ball up or a throw in. The reason for this is we back our mids at winning the contested ball from stoppages
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Plonk two electrifying small forwards in our team that also can pressure opposition backs and you transform our team.
At one stage in the game on Friday I looked up at the scoreboard and noticed we had 32 inside 50s to 19 and yet we were behind the demons. We just need to get more reward for effort and a couple of guys that can kick goals and stop easy exit by the opposition.
That would be a good start to our problems......
Not kicking to the pockets would also help
Tone, what about our forward set up when there is a centre bounce. Everyone starts at CHF with no one deep. So if we do happen to win the clearance there is no one leading at the ball carrier. The ball carrier either has a shot for goal, like Edwards did the other night, which is a ridiculously low percentage play, or they pop it to 12 guys at CHF, an even more ridiculous idea.
List management is one thing but a ridiculous forward set up/game plan is just unforgivable for a coach in his 6th year. Even with the Hawks side the game plan/style is crap.
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Plonk two electrifying small forwards in our team that also can pressure opposition backs and you transform our team.
At one stage in the game on Friday I looked up at the scoreboard and noticed we had 32 inside 50s to 19 and yet we were behind the demons. We just need to get more reward for effort and a couple of guys that can kick goals and stop easy exit by the opposition.
That would be a good start to our problems......
Not kicking to the pockets would also help
what the hell is going on with us kicking the ball to the forward pockets all the time? All the good times use the corridor far more often than we do and they don't go as often to the pockets as we do. The game plan sux.
when you kick to the pockets is when you lose the game with more inside 50s than the opposition
We dont kick to the middle because we dont have the speed or smarts to cover a turnover and a runaway ggoal. Its simple really just cover the opposite side of the field. But we seem to be too dumb to do that
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Its not stupidity.
We are just lazy and have a team full of downhill skiers who only run one way.
We get exposed every time by more disciplined and accountable sides.
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Don has hit it on the head.
It comes down to coaching. A good coach simply wouldn't accept it.
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Dimma always talks about inside 50's, contested footy and other key performance indicators.
A stat I would like to see measured is the ratio of distance a player runs when his team has the ball compared to distance he runs when his team doesn't or when at a stoppage.
Bet the ratio is twice as much when we have it to when we don't.
Therein lies the issue. Laziness and unaccountability.
Teams coached by Roos, Eade, Lyon, Brad Scott, Buckley will always win more than they lose against us and I haven't included Hawthorn, Sydney and Geelong who have been elite for the last 10 years or so combined. That's 8 out of the other 17 sides. Mid table at best and that's if things go our way. :help
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I want him to talk about the only stat that counts: having more total points than the opposition by the final siren. Everything else is irrelevant.
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to add to our "fwd pocket disease" we seem to have, the main issue with that is chance of conversion is much lower, hence we score 6.15 instead of breaking even. we make Goal scoring much harder for ourselves before we have even had the shot. no wonder we lose games despite winning most key stats consistantly.....
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to add to our "fwd pocket disease" we seem to have, the main issue with that is chance of conversion is much lower, hence we score 6.15 instead of breaking even. we make Goal scoring much harder for ourselves before we have even had the shot. no wonder we lose games despite winning most key stats consistantly.....
Don't know if that excuse could be used on the weekend, we missed so many in front it wasn't funny
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Plonk two electrifying small forwards in our team that also can pressure opposition backs and you transform our team.
At one stage in the game on Friday I looked up at the scoreboard and noticed we had 32 inside 50s to 19 and yet we were behind the demons. We just need to get more reward for effort and a couple of guys that can kick goals and stop easy exit by the opposition.
That would be a good start to our problems......
Not kicking to the pockets would also help
what the hell is going on with us kicking the ball to the forward pockets all the time? All the good times use the corridor far more often than we do and they don't go as often to the pockets as we do. The game plan sux.
when you kick to the pockets is when you lose the game with more inside 50s than the opposition
We dont kick to the middle because we dont have the speed or smarts to cover a turnover and a runaway ggoal. Its simple really just cover the opposite side of the field. But we seem to be too dumb to do that
This x 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000. Nailed it in one, Mintie :thumbsup.
In 3 years we've gone from having one of the quickest sides around to one of the slowest. Watching live on Friday night and against the Dogs, you could see us at least 10m behind direct opponents on the spread or when there was a loose ball we would get mowed down in a short space of time so we were continually under pressure and coughing up the footy.
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to add to our "fwd pocket disease" we seem to have, the main issue with that is chance of conversion is much lower, hence we score 6.15 instead of breaking even. we make Goal scoring much harder for ourselves before we have even had the shot. no wonder we lose games despite winning most key stats consistantly.....
Don't know if that excuse could be used on the weekend, we missed so many in front it wasn't funny
this is true but Jack tends to lead to the pockets for some reason....
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We're on the record as a club saying we kick to the pockets because the thinking is if we don't jag a mark we can force a ball up or a throw in. The reason for this is we back our mids at winning the contested ball from stoppages
It goes a bit deeper than this. I think we have touched on it before.
It has been shown, that kicking into the corridoor just inside 50 will result in more shots on goal for you, but also for the opposition with a qiuck rebound from a turnover in that zone.
Naturally kicking into the pocket will result in less of both outcomes.
There is no clear definitive leaning to which one is more beneficial.
The simplistic view is to say that it clearly is not working for us, but I ask the question, when our game is not on, can we afford to give the opposition more rebound goals? when you are playing poorly, are you not more likely to turn the ball over?
Our problems run deeper than this aspect of the game plan.
eg, how many times did we kick to their spare man in defence?
If they have a spare man, so should we, yet how many times did they kick to ours comparatively?
Just to clarify, im not of the opinion that kicking to pocket is the better option, but IMV, there are times it is, and there are times you should be centering the ball.
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hardwick stuffed it by topping up with his spud mates
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Contracts List:
2015: Dea, Foley, Gordon, Grigg, Grimes, Hunt, Knights, Lennon, Lloyd, McDonough, Newman, Petterd.
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Contracts List:
2015: Dea, Foley, Gordon, Grigg, Grimes, Hunt, Knights, Lennon, Lloyd, McDonough, Newman, Petterd.
Wouldn't miss any of them....
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Grimes? Been pretty valuable
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Contracts List:
2015: Dea, Foley, Gordon, Grigg, Grimes, Hunt, Knights, Lennon, Lloyd, McDonough, Newman, Petterd.
Wouldn't miss any of them....
Grigg and Lennon should still be here in 2016
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Grimes? Been pretty valuable
Grimes is class mate
Ray Charles can see it
Trade grigg
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Contracts List:
2015: Dea, Foley, Gordon, Grigg, Grimes, Hunt, Knights, Lennon, Lloyd, McDonough, Newman, Petterd.
Wouldn't miss any of them....
Grimes & Lennon are quality and although I wouldn't be that upset if we let him go, McDonough can at least kick, win clearances and make good decisions. We need more players who can do those things, not less.
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Chris Newman
Dylan Grimes
Shaun Grigg
Matt Dea
Chris Knights
Jake Batchelor
Rick Petterd
Shaun Hampson
Nathan Gordon
Sam Lloyd
Tyrone Vickery
Reece Conca
Steve Morris
Nathan Foley
Troy Chaplin
Bachar Houli
You wouldn't get any change from $4 million from that lot. That's where the damage is. The money being paid for the return is not their. It just isn't. We accrue average footballers, battlers who try hard and we pay them plenty for the priviledge. A proper administration who knew what they were doing in football terms would never get themselves into this position. $ 4 million per season gets you 4 to 6 "A Grade talents" instead we have people on the verge of retirement, injury prone players and players who are just depth players. There is no professionalism at Richmond. They are just kidding themselves and us. That is all.
officer barbrady: move along , nothing to see here
Everything going swimmingly
:clapping
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Watching Matty White running around for Port, gee i wish we still had that speed, another stupid list management decision
#crazy
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Take Vickery and Grimes out of there, they are better than that lot. But gee the rest of them, hell, we are carrying some crap and have carried some. :help
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Vlastuin and Conca are both primarily inside mids IMO.
yeah but you thought that about aarnot
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We're on the record as a club saying we kick to the pockets because the thinking is if we don't jag a mark we can force a ball up or a throw in. The reason for this is we back our mids at winning the contested ball from stoppages
It goes a bit deeper than this. I think we have touched on it before.
It has been shown, that kicking into the corridoor just inside 50 will result in more shots on goal for you, but also for the opposition with a qiuck rebound from a turnover in that zone.
Naturally kicking into the pocket will result in less of both outcomes.
There is no clear definitive leaning to which one is more beneficial.
The simplistic view is to say that it clearly is not working for us, but I ask the question, when our game is not on, can we afford to give the opposition more rebound goals? when you are playing poorly, are you not more likely to turn the ball over?
Our problems run deeper than this aspect of the game plan.
eg, how many times did we kick to their spare man in defence?
If they have a spare man, so should we, yet how many times did they kick to ours comparatively?
Just to clarify, im not of the opinion that kicking to pocket is the better option, but IMV, there are times it is, and there are times you should be centering the ball.
orly?
i thought we were anti defensive football
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Vlastuin and Conca are both primarily inside mids IMO.
yeah but you thought that about aarnot
That's because he was......or did you agree with Supercoach Hardwick that he was a forward pocket?
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Vlastuin and Conca are both primarily inside mids IMO.
yeah but you thought that about aarnot
That's because he was......or did you agree with Supercoach Hardwick that he was a forward pocket?
From an AFL point of view he was a waste of a space
From an VFL point of view he was an inside mid
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Yet in his non-preferred position still had comparable stats to fan favourite Jake "The Barometer" King who was a specialist in that position....
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We're on the record as a club saying we kick to the pockets because the thinking is if we don't jag a mark we can force a ball up or a throw in. The reason for this is we back our mids at winning the contested ball from stoppages
It goes a bit deeper than this. I think we have touched on it before.
It has been shown, that kicking into the corridoor just inside 50 will result in more shots on goal for you, but also for the opposition with a qiuck rebound from a turnover in that zone.
Naturally kicking into the pocket will result in less of both outcomes.
There is no clear definitive leaning to which one is more beneficial.
The simplistic view is to say that it clearly is not working for us, but I ask the question, when our game is not on, can we afford to give the opposition more rebound goals? when you are playing poorly, are you not more likely to turn the ball over?
Our problems run deeper than this aspect of the game plan.
eg, how many times did we kick to their spare man in defence?
If they have a spare man, so should we, yet how many times did they kick to ours comparatively?
Just to clarify, im not of the opinion that kicking to pocket is the better option, but IMV, there are times it is, and there are times you should be centering the ball.
orly?
i thought we were anti defensive football
yes, yes, in a drug induced world of george bush type thinking, you could be reasonably expected to come to that conclusion
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Ok had heard from a reliable source our deal for lennon is off the table. Club seeking a trade
:snidegrin
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The Tigers have re-signed midfielder Shaun Grigg, who has activated a trigger for a third season in his current contract.
Source: Herald-Sun website
:lol
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Worst list management in comp
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in the world
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were do you rank as 1 - 18 ?
you are full of smugness but not many answers :sleep
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where do i rank 1-18?
just before 19
where do 1-18 rank down the rabbit hole?
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what rabbit hole?
the rabbit hole of carlton taking our draft picks?
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their not taking them, we are giving them away.
its a charity thing.
like sending rice to a third world country.
you should feel good about it
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but then we bomb them
are we bombing carlton?
no cause penny is soft
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30,000 little blue kiddies die every day..... :'(
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but then we bomb them
are we bombing carlton?
no cause penny is soft
soft and cuddly.
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30,000 little blue kiddies die every day..... :'(
30ooo little Richmond kids hearts break every time grigg runs into an open goal and decides to kick either side of the big sticks
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yes. so sad.
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I sleep well at night
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:clapping
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30,000 little blue kiddies die every day..... :'(
30ooo little Richmond kids hearts break every time grigg runs into an open goal and decides to kick either side of the big sticks
100,000 little Richmond kids hearts break every time Chaplin plays on from the goal square when facing Nahas in an Elimination Final.
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:facepalm
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30,000 little blue kiddies die every day..... :'(
30ooo little Richmond kids hearts break every time grigg runs into an open goal and decides to kick either side of the big sticks
100,000 little Richmond kids hearts break every time Chaplin plays on from the goal square when facing Nahas in an Elimination Final.
Very conservative number, plus Nahas tripped over his wild thang
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2016: Astbury, Batchelor, Butler, Chaplin, Conca, Drummond, S.Edwards, C.Ellis, Griffiths, Grigg, Hampson, Houli, Maric, McBean, McKenzie, Menadue, Vickery, Vlastuin
we should be re-signing Vlastuin, McBean. CEllis now
not waiting 12 months
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(Back)
1 2018: Grimes - Dea(?)
2 2017: Elton - 2016: Chaplin
3 2017: Deledio - 2016: Batchelor
4 2016: Houli
5 2019: Rance - 2016: Astbury(?)
6 2016: Vlastuin
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(Mid)
1 2017: McIntosh - Gordon(?)
2 2017: Miles
3 2016: C Ellis - 2016: Grigg
4 2016: Maric - 2016: Hampson
5 2020: Cotchin - 2017: Hunt
6 2017: Martin - 2016: Drummond
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(Fwd)
1 2017: Lennon - Lloyd(?)
2 2019: Riewoldt - 2016: Griffiths
3 2017: Townsend - 2017: Morris
4 2016: Edwards - 2016: Butler
5 2016: Vickery - 2016: McKenzie
6 2016: McBean
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1 2016: Conca
2 2016: Menadue
3 2017: B Ellis
4 Lambert?
edit: rookies
Jayden Short ?
Jason Castagna ?
Ivan Soldo - ?
if you look at it in that kind of format i think the best 22 looks quite strong apart from the glaring weakness as the 2nd key defender. another rance-type or as close as possible would help a lot
the main worry is hardwick not giving kids like Lennon, C Ellis, McBean and that a proper go
depth is a worry, ruck stocks looks bleak
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Seeing as we have already publicly said we won't get a big fish.
Why not keep #19, #12,
Trade out another player for a third top 20 pick
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Seeing as we have already publicly said we won't get a big fish.
Why not keep #19, #12,
Trade out another player for a third top 20 pick
A mini rebuild for the longer term future on the back of last year's draft.
Eff yarran
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(Fwd)
2017: Morris
:clapping
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Blues have secured pick 8 from GWS and turned Troy Menzel into Sam Kerridge, Lachie Plowman, Liam Sumner, Jed Lamb and Andrew Phillips.
https://twitter.com/SamLandsberger/status/656653587531956224
The Blues/GWS deal is done.
Blues get Pick 8, Plowman, Lamb, Phillips and Sumner.
GWS get 28, 77, 95 and Cats 2016 F/R Pick
https://twitter.com/SENNews
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If SOS wants to play games, reckon we should keep 12 & 19 then on draft day bid pick 12 for his son and make the bastard pay full price.
Test how much they want him wearing Navy blue.
Worst case scenario is we get a very good young talent @ 12 .
:thumbsup
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gee if you think that is worst case scenario then you are definitely looking through rose colored glasses.
worse cast scenario is more along the lines of we draft a player who hates our guts and is prepared to walk to PSD at the completion of his first contract to get to his old mans club.
and im sure there are worse scenarios than that possible
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If SOS wants to play games, reckon we should keep 12 & 19 then on draft day bid pick 12 for his son and make the bastard pay full price.
Test how much they want him wearing Navy blue.
Worst case scenario is we get a very good young talent @ 12 .
:thumbsup
believe me , I have seen him play & he is anything but a very good young talent
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gee if you think that is worst case scenario then you are definitely looking through rose colored glasses.
worse cast scenario is more along the lines of we draft a player who hates our guts and is prepared to walk to PSD at the completion of his first contract to get to his old mans club.
and im sure there are worse scenarios than that possible
I don't wear glasses.
:shh
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sure you dont
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believe me , I have seen him play & he is anything but a very good young talent
What did you see or not see him do to come to that conclusion?
sure you dont
Thats correct.
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today i learned richmond has the option for extending chaplins contract to 2017
Known Contracts
Brett Deledio re-signs until 2017
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/131487/default.aspx
Troy Chaplin becomes a Tiger. 3 year deal with a conditional 4th. Managed by Liam Pickering.
Source: twitter.
Nick Vlastuin signs on until 2016.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-06-19/four-tigers-sign-on
Reece Conca re-signs 3-year deal until end of 2016
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/out-of-contract-richmond-star-dustin-martin-jets-out-for-sydney/story-fnfll94y-1226722549552
:gotigers
and chappys manager is the flog pickering
thatd be right
:clapping
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today i learned richmond has the option for extending chaplins contract to 2017
Did you actuall take it all in or just the bits that suit your argument?
It clearly says "conditional" so that means I am pretty sure it's not guaranteed
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today i learned richmond has the option for extending chaplins contract to 2017
Did you actuall take it all in or just the bits that suit your argument?
It clearly says "conditional" so that means I am pretty sure it's not guaranteed
yeah, just likes griggs
:gotigers
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whats the go with Dea, Gordon, Lloyd. ?
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whats the go with Dea, Gordon, Lloyd. ?
guns mate, you dont trade your a graders
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whats the go with Dea, Gordon, Lloyd. ?
oh look ...they can all be relied upon to come in to the side and play their roles....
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whats the go with Dea, Gordon, Lloyd. ?
oh look ...they can all be relied upon to come in to the side a play their roles....
they would have to sign new contracts , first ?
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oh look....it's important we maintain our depth going forward....they've proven in the past that they can come into the side when needed and play important roles for us...
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Oh look, we just got run over the top of in this, the 2016 elimination final.
We've bought two guys in this year from other AFL clubs and despite their season, we and they know they are better than that.
Well go to the trade table next month and land a big fish.
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Oh look, stability is key. That's why we've been so successful in the last 3 years.
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whats the go with Dea, Gordon, Lloyd. ?
Will know shortly I reckon
Can see at least one staying, actually one will stay IMHO
The other 2 looking shaky
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After the trade period, we have picks 12, 52, 88, 106, ... and now require a minimum 2 players to add to our senior list (to reach at least 38 senior-listed players).
One of these will be Lambert when he is promoted off the rookie list and the other pick 12. So, if I've got this right, we would need to delist one of more of Dea, Lloyd and Gordon) to use pick(s) 52 or higher.
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Crowley , Siposs , Spencer White DFA's.... :shh
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After the trade period, we have picks 12, 52, 88, 106, ... and now require a minimum 2 players to add to our senior list (to reach at least 38 senior-listed players).
One of these will be Lambert when he is promoted off the rookie list and the other pick 12. So, if I've got this right, we would need to delist one of more of Dea, Lloyd and Gordon) to use pick(s) 52 or higher.
What are we gonna find at picks 88+? Another couple of guys 4-5 years off who are 50 shades of poo away from ever being good enough to get a game
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After the trade period, we have picks 12, 52, 88, 106, ... and now require a minimum 2 players to add to our senior list (to reach at least 38 senior-listed players).
One of these will be Lambert when he is promoted off the rookie list and the other pick 12. So, if I've got this right, we would need to delist one of more of Dea, Lloyd and Gordon) to use pick(s) 52 or higher.
What are we gonna find at picks 88+? Another couple of guys 4-5 years off who are 50 shades of poo away from ever being good enough to get a game
That will be the Club's view as far as the draft from their comments in the past. We could also, as Diocletian alluded to, delist one or more of Dea, Gordon or Lloyd, if we still plan to bring in a delisted free agent.
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I argued we should have taken Oleg Markov last year with a late nd pick or rookie.. I hope we have at least looked at him this time around.I have a feeling the boat has sailed though i dont think he will be there at our third pick.
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I argued we should have taken Oleg Markov last year with a late nd pick or rookie.. I hope we have at least looked at him this time around.I have a feeling the boat has sailed though i dont think he will be there at our third pick.
Was too light last year. Has he bulked up?
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why not ask the question directly.
now posts as raoul duke
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I argued we should have taken Oleg Markov last year with a late nd pick or rookie.. I hope we have at least looked at him this time around.I have a feeling the boat has sailed though i dont think he will be there at our third pick.
:clapping
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I argued we should have taken Oleg Markov last year with a late nd pick or rookie.. I hope we have at least looked at him this time around.I have a feeling the boat has sailed though i dont think he will be there at our third pick.
:clapping
That was good look into the crystal ball by claw a month out from the draft.
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I think we sack Blair and FJ and bring in Claw, he'd do a much better job than both these bozos and for half the money.
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Ok......we must never ever ever play the following players again......Hunt, Chaplin, Moore, Hampson Grigg. Sorry guys but the fame has passed you.....
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Understatement of the century but geez the club have overestimated the quality of our list. Right across the park we have major deficiencies which quite frankly are going to take a long time to eradicate. Add to this the issue we have attracting talent to the club and this is just deja vu..... and dare I mention the "R" word. Our recruiters and those that continue to have faith in them have a lot to answer for.
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Understatement of the century but geez the club have overestimated the quality of our list. Right across the park we have major deficiencies which quite frankly are going to take a long time to eradicate. Add to this the issue we have attracting talent to the club and this is just deja vu..... and dare I mention the "R" word. Our recruiters and those that continue to have faith in them have a lot to answer for.
Dimma
"We are just adding the cream"
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Understatement of the century but geez the club have overestimated the quality of our list. Right across the park we have major deficiencies which quite frankly are going to take a long time to eradicate. Add to this the issue we have attracting talent to the club and this is just deja vu..... and dare I mention the "R" word. Our recruiters and those that continue to have faith in them have a lot to answer for.
Dimma
"We are just adding the cream"
Unfortunately its sour cream :lol
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How does Francis still have a job?
Blair "the list manager" Hartley is an absolute dud....Hampson, Hunt, Moore, Townsend, etc. etc.
Why don't we get better people that know how to properly facilitate perpetual list building like the swans, Hawks?
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How does Francis still have a job?
Blair "the list manager" Hartley is an absolute dud....Hampson, Hunt, Moore, Townsend, etc. etc.
Why don't we get better people that know how to properly facilitate perpetual list building like the swans, Hawks?
This.
It needs to be done ASAP. We need to go to the best person out there and make them an offer they can't refuse.
I want our membership money to go into the top talent scouts in the business.
Edit: fixed quoting
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Where is Blair these days by the way? He use to have a fairly decent public profile along with Dimma, Benny, Dan Richardson and FJ. Seems he's been banished from public view over the past 12 months or so with list management commentary left to Dan.
Anyway, Blair should be first to go if we're making any changes. As I said in the game thread, modern footy clubs need every major component of the footy dept. to follow best practices and make the right decisions, to achieve success. Our list management and recruiting is still substandard and we've been relying on the same name players in Cotch, Lids, Rance, Jack, Dusty and Ivan over the past 3 years to carry the side because we haven't brought in any "big fish" despite promising to do so. Add to that blind freddy could see we've been needing another quality experienced ruckman for the last couple years yet our gracious list manager and player analyst Blair thought otherwise ::).
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Hartley should have been sacked seasons ago.Name the big names he was suppose to bring to the club one by one we missed out on and haven't even been close.All he has done along with the footy department recruit reject after reject from other clubs not even getting a game and in some cases giving away good picks, how a you suppose to improve the list year after year like that.
Were not brave enough to put a B. Ellis on the trade table or a Vickery no balls.Sick of the Port Power crap at the club to only one I keep is Choco.
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Need Chocco to be a stand in coach in the transition period
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It's a Richmond tradition that we over rate and fall in love with the players
Haven't you all worked that out yet ?
Also agree , Choco should take over as coach
And Jack takeover as captain
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When is one of those stupid reporters going to ask the following question:
Why didn't you trade in a farkin ruckman??
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It's a Richmond tradition that we over rate and fall in love with the players
Haven't you all worked that out yet ?
Also agree , Choco should take over as coach
And Jack takeover as captain
Need to keep Hampson though as he trains really well
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Hartley should have been sacked seasons ago.Name the big names he was suppose to bring to the club one by one we missed out on and haven't even been close.All he has done along with the footy department recruit reject after reject from other clubs not even getting a game and in some cases giving away good picks, how a you suppose to improve the list year after year like that.
Were not brave enough to put a B. Ellis on the trade table or a Vickery no balls.Sick of the Port Power crap at the club to only one I keep is Choco.
Yep.
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our recruiting, pathetic joke really.
Where's the friggin war chest?
35 years of pain, so disillusioned.
I'm not saying it! We are the laughing stock of the competition...
Once again teams go past us, pretty much everyone's had a shot in that time bar us.
Time to stuffing wake up tigers you're killing me.
Could of gone to vfl today but why bother, what a joke and waste of time that's turning out to be, blind freddy can see the poo that's wrong, but us suckers just get repeated spin.
Don't get me wrong I bleed yellow and black, hardly missed a game in 36 years...when does the pain end ffs
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It's a Richmond tradition that we over rate and fall in love with the players
Haven't you all worked that out yet ?
Also agree , Choco should take over as coach
And Jack takeover as captain
Need to keep Hampson though as he trains really well
Agree Chucky - need to rebuild the side around him....
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Hartley should have been sacked seasons ago.Name the big names he was suppose to bring to the club one by one we missed out on and haven't even been close.All he has done along with the footy department recruit reject after reject from other clubs not even getting a game and in some cases giving away good picks, how a you suppose to improve the list year after year like that.
Were not brave enough to put a B. Ellis on the trade table or a Vickery no balls.Sick of the Port Power crap at the club to only one I keep is Choco.
Yep.
Players don't come to our club not because of BH or DR, it's because of games like last night.
We wouldn't need "Big Fish" if we drafted decent players. Perfect example is the bulldogs.
I'm not one for sweeping statements but until FJ is gone, I'm not buying another membership for myself or my kids.
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How does Francis still have a job?
Blair "the list manager" Hartley is an absolute dud....Hampson, Hunt, Moore, Townsend, etc. etc.
Why don't we get better people that know how to properly facilitate perpetual list building like the swans, Hawks?
+1 Jackson is the weak link in all of this. We seriously need a good talent spotter, someone who can find a great player at pick 20 not an average AFL player.
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When is one of those stupid reporters going to ask the following question:
Why didn't you trade in a stuffin ruckman??
:clapping
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The media never ask the real questions because most them know stuff all about football.
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Dont agree 100% F Jackson is the issue yeah he may have got a few picks wrong,but you guys have said it time and time again players come to our club looking great and then stall after couple seasons perfect examples B Ellis camed to the club started well along with Valustin,Vickery the names go on tells me there is poor development and coaching to.
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Aaron black cant get a game for Norf
Richmond playing Chaplin an Lloyd as key forwards
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When is one of those stupid reporters going to ask the following question:
Why didn't you trade in a stuffin ruckman??
Lol is that all Angus. Start with the ruckman and then go thru every position.
I can see it now come seasons end. everyone carrying on how bad we need mids and that would be correct but once again the dire state of the talls will be totally ignored.
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When is one of those stupid reporters going to ask the following question:
Why didn't you trade in a stuffin ruckman??
Lol is that all Angus. Start with the ruckman and then go thru every position.
I can see it now come seasons end. everyone carrying on how bad we need mids and that would be correct but once again the dire state of the talls will be totally ignored.
It's all about adding the cream.
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When is one of those stupid reporters going to ask the following question:
Why didn't you trade in a stuffin ruckman??
Lol is that all Angus. Start with the ruckman and then go thru every position.
I can see it now come seasons end. everyone carrying on how bad we need mids and that would be correct but once again the dire state of the talls will be totally ignored.
It's all about adding the cream.
Adding cream to a poo cake doesn't stop it tasting like poo
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Richmond v melbourne
Not of afl standard.
Chaplin
Grigg
Morris
Houli ??
Townsend ??
B Ellis ??
Bachelor ?
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Good at football
Rance
Jack
Cotchin
Not bad
Martin
Edwards
Miles
Maric
Lambert
Lloyd
Kids need time
C Ellis
Rioli
Mcintosh
Menadue
And of course Tyrone , mr astbury too
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Richmond v melbourne
Not of afl standard.
Chaplin
Grigg
Morris
Houli ??
Townsend ??
B Ellis ??
Bachelor ?
Thats a lot of passengers to carry every week, no wonder we don't look close to winning a game.
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As you sow, so shall you reap.
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I reckon we need to make a big play for Heppel (who is going to sue ess fc) and bellchambers
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Good at football
Rance
Jack
Cotchin
Not bad
Martin
Edwards
Miles
Maric
Lambert
Lloyd
Kids need time
C Ellis
Rioli
Mcintosh
Menadue
And of course Tyrone , mr astbury too
I'd take Maric and Lambert out of that mix. Maric is finished if we are honest. Not many Rickman are effective after 30 and Maric body is questionable. Lambert is a bottom. 4 type player can't be a top 10 player. I'd put Vickery in not bad.
Rest should be delisted straight away. Play kids.
Lennon plays every game. Put McBean up forward over Chaplin.
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Good at football
Rance
Jack
Cotchin
Not bad
Martin
Edwards
Miles
Maric
Lambert
Lloyd
Kids need time
C Ellis
Rioli
Mcintosh
Menadue
And of course Tyrone , mr astbury too
I'd take Maric and Lambert out of that mix. Maric is finished if we are honest. Not many Rickman are effective after 30 and Maric body is questionable. Lambert is a bottom. 4 type player can't be a top 10 player. I'd put Vickery in not bad.
Rest should be delisted straight away. Play kids.
Lennon plays every game. Put McBean up forward over Chaplin.
:shh
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Richmond v melbourne
Not of afl standard.
Chaplin
Grigg
Morris
Houli ??
Townsend ??
B Ellis ??
Bachelor ?
Don't think any of them would get a game for an afl club
Bar the tigers