List Management

[tony_montana]

Plonk two electrifying small forwards in our team that also can pressure opposition backs and you transform our team.
At one stage in the game on Friday I looked up at the scoreboard and noticed we had 32 inside 50s to 19 and yet we were behind the demons. We just need to get more reward for effort and a couple of guys that can kick goals and stop easy exit by the opposition.

That would be a good start to our problems......

Not kicking to the pockets would also help

[Diocletian]

Vlastuin and Conca are both primarily inside mids IMO.

[No More]

Plonk two electrifying small forwards in our team that also can pressure opposition backs and you transform our team.
At one stage in the game on Friday I looked up at the scoreboard and noticed we had 32 inside 50s to 19 and yet we were behind the demons. We just need to get more reward for effort and a couple of guys that can kick goals and stop easy exit by the opposition.

That would be a good start to our problems......

Not kicking to the pockets would also help

what the hell is going on with us kicking the ball to the forward pockets all the time? All the good times use the corridor far more often than we do and they don't go as often to the pockets as we do. The game plan sux.

[🏅Dooks]

We're on the record as a club saying we kick to the pockets because the thinking is if we don't jag a mark we can force a ball up or a throw in. The reason for this is we back our mids at winning the contested ball from stoppages

[big tone]

Plonk two electrifying small forwards in our team that also can pressure opposition backs and you transform our team.
At one stage in the game on Friday I looked up at the scoreboard and noticed we had 32 inside 50s to 19 and yet we were behind the demons. We just need to get more reward for effort and a couple of guys that can kick goals and stop easy exit by the opposition.

That would be a good start to our problems......

Not kicking to the pockets would also help

Tone, what about our forward set up when there is a centre bounce. Everyone starts at CHF with no one deep. So if we do happen to win the clearance there is no one leading at the ball carrier. The ball carrier either has a shot for goal, like Edwards did the other night, which is a ridiculously low percentage play, or they pop it to 12 guys at CHF, an even more ridiculous idea.
List management is one thing but a ridiculous forward set up/game plan is just unforgivable for a coach in his 6th year.  Even with the Hawks side the game plan/style is crap.

[MintOnLamb]

Plonk two electrifying small forwards in our team that also can pressure opposition backs and you transform our team.
At one stage in the game on Friday I looked up at the scoreboard and noticed we had 32 inside 50s to 19 and yet we were behind the demons. We just need to get more reward for effort and a couple of guys that can kick goals and stop easy exit by the opposition.

That would be a good start to our problems......

Not kicking to the pockets would also help

what the hell is going on with us kicking the ball to the forward pockets all the time? All the good times use the corridor far more often than we do and they don't go as often to the pockets as we do. The game plan sux.

when you kick to the pockets is when you lose the game with more inside 50s than the opposition
We dont kick to the middle because we dont have the speed or smarts to cover a turnover and a runaway ggoal. Its simple really just cover the opposite side of the field. But we seem to be too dumb to do that

[Hellenic Tiger]

Its not stupidity.
We are just lazy and have a team full of downhill skiers who only run one way.
We get exposed every time by more disciplined and accountable sides.

[Willy]

Don has hit it on the head.

It comes down to coaching. A good coach simply wouldn't accept it.

[Hellenic Tiger]

Dimma always talks about inside 50's, contested footy and other key performance indicators.

A stat I would like to see measured is the ratio of distance a player runs when his team has the ball compared to distance he runs when his team doesn't or when at a stoppage.

Bet the ratio is twice as much when we have it to when we don't.

Therein lies the issue. Laziness and unaccountability.

Teams coached by Roos, Eade, Lyon, Brad Scott, Buckley will always win more than they lose against us and I haven't included Hawthorn, Sydney and Geelong who have been elite for the last 10 years or so combined. That's 8 out of the other 17 sides. Mid table at best and that's if things go our way.

[YellowandBlackBlood]

I want him to talk about the only stat that counts: having more total points than the opposition by the final siren. Everything else is irrelevant.

[Jonesracing82]

to add to our "fwd pocket disease" we seem to have, the main issue with that is chance of conversion is much lower, hence we score 6.15 instead of breaking even. we make Goal scoring much harder for ourselves before we have even had the shot. no wonder we lose games despite winning most key stats consistantly.....

[Chuck17]

to add to our "fwd pocket disease" we seem to have, the main issue with that is chance of conversion is much lower, hence we score 6.15 instead of breaking even. we make Goal scoring much harder for ourselves before we have even had the shot. no wonder we lose games despite winning most key stats consistantly.....

Don't know if that excuse could be used on the weekend, we missed so many in front it wasn't funny

[mightytiges]

Plonk two electrifying small forwards in our team that also can pressure opposition backs and you transform our team.
At one stage in the game on Friday I looked up at the scoreboard and noticed we had 32 inside 50s to 19 and yet we were behind the demons. We just need to get more reward for effort and a couple of guys that can kick goals and stop easy exit by the opposition.

That would be a good start to our problems......

Not kicking to the pockets would also help

what the hell is going on with us kicking the ball to the forward pockets all the time? All the good times use the corridor far more often than we do and they don't go as often to the pockets as we do. The game plan sux.

when you kick to the pockets is when you lose the game with more inside 50s than the opposition
We dont kick to the middle because we dont have the speed or smarts to cover a turnover and a runaway ggoal. Its simple really just cover the opposite side of the field. But we seem to be too dumb to do that

This x 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000. Nailed it in one, Mintie  .

In 3 years we've gone from having one of the quickest sides around to one of the slowest. Watching live on Friday night and against the Dogs, you could see us at least 10m behind direct opponents on the spread or when there was a loose ball we would get mowed down in a short space of time so we were continually under pressure and coughing up the footy. 

[Jonesracing82]

to add to our "fwd pocket disease" we seem to have, the main issue with that is chance of conversion is much lower, hence we score 6.15 instead of breaking even. we make Goal scoring much harder for ourselves before we have even had the shot. no wonder we lose games despite winning most key stats consistantly.....

Don't know if that excuse could be used on the weekend, we missed so many in front it wasn't funny

this is true but Jack tends to lead to the pockets for some reason....

[Penelope]

We're on the record as a club saying we kick to the pockets because the thinking is if we don't jag a mark we can force a ball up or a throw in. The reason for this is we back our mids at winning the contested ball from stoppages

It goes a bit deeper than this. I think we have touched on it before.

It has been shown, that kicking into the corridoor just inside 50 will result in more shots on goal for you, but also for the opposition with a qiuck rebound from a turnover in that zone.

Naturally kicking into the pocket will result in less of both outcomes.

There is no clear definitive leaning to which one is more beneficial.

The simplistic view is to say that it clearly is not working for us, but I ask the question, when our game is not on, can we afford to give the opposition more rebound goals? when you are playing poorly, are you not more likely to turn the ball over?

Our problems run deeper than this aspect of the game plan.

eg, how many times did we kick to their spare man in defence?

If they have a spare man, so should we, yet how many times did they kick to ours comparatively?

Just to clarify, im not of the opinion that kicking to pocket is the better option, but IMV, there are times it is, and there are times you should be centering the ball.