Tigers big on new faces talent quest.

[tdy]

I ran into this standard article on the RFC website

http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/88358/default.aspx

But its got an interesting list at the end of it.  The last time we recruited 13 players only 5 made it as successful players.  This is a similar hit rate to Geelong in some of their good recruiting years.  And I wouldn't have called any of the 13 great players, one of them I would call fringe in Raines. 

How many do people think of the 14 we recruited this year will be around in 5 years?  7 at a 50% hit rate?  Still it seems to be the way to go, I hope they do similar next year too.

Pity he didn't mention how many carlton players are still on the list of the 19 they recruited in 2004

By Tony Greenberg 1:28 PM Mon 21 December, 2009

Richmond will enter 2010 with the most number of new faces in its playing squad since the inception of the AFL’s drafting system in 1986.

The Tigers have recruited 14 players since the end of the 2009 season, via the trading period, national draft, pre-season draft and rookie draft - Mitch Farmer (trade), Dustin Martin (national draft), Ben Griffiths (national draft), David Astbury (national draft), Matt Dea (national draft), Troy Taylor (national draft), Jeromey Webberley (national draft), Ben Nason (national draft), Dylan Grimes (pre-season draft), James O’Reilly (rookie draft), Robbie Hicks (rookie draft), Pat Contin (rookie draft), Relton Roberts (rookie draft) and Nick Westhoff (rookie draft).

Only twice in the past 23 years has a league club added more new talent to its playing list in one off-season:

19 - Carlton (2003 for 2004 season)
16 - Brisbane (2009 for 2010 season)

Richmond’s previous highest number of new players in one recruiting period was 13, at the end of 2003 - Nathan Brown (traded by Western Bulldogs), Alex Gilmour (national draft), Tom Roach (father-son rule), Daniel Jackson (national draft), Shane Morrison (national draft), Brent Hartigan (national draft), Shane Tuck (national draft), Andrew Raines (national draft), Simon Fletcher (national draft), Kyle Archibald (national draft), Kelvin Moore (rookie draft), Matthew Shir (rookie draft) and Adam Pickering (rookie draft).

[tdy]

Further to the last post, carltons 19 recruits were


Bannister, Jordan     
Bentick, Adam    
Bowyer, Glen    
Boyd, Murray    
Carrazzo, Andrew    
Clarke, David A.
Deluca, Adrian    
Harford, Daniel
Johnson, Brett    
Kenna, Stephen
Mcgrath, Cory    
Morrell, Digby    
Mott, Ricky    
O'Hailpin, Setanta    
Pleming, Sam    
Scotland, Heath    
Stevens, Nick    
Teague, David    
Walker, Andrew

Of Carltons 19 players only 7 remain by 2009.

Bannister, Jordan     
Bentick, Adam    
Carrazzo, Andrew    
O'Hailpin, Setanta    
Scotland, Heath    
Stevens, Nick    
Walker, Andrew    

Of which only Stevens and Scotland would be considered good hits.  Its barely a 35% hit rate.  Maybe we should only hope for 5 of this years crop to be there in 5 years time.

[Smokey]

Of Carltons 19 players only 7 remain by 2009.

Bannister, Jordan     
Bentick, Adam    
Carrazzo, Andrew    
O'Hailpin, Setanta    
Scotland, Heath    
Stevens, Nick    
Walker, Andrew    

Of which only Stevens and Scotland would be considered good hits.  Its barely a 35% hit rate.  Maybe we should only hope for 5 of this years crop to be there in 5 years time.

And of that list another 3 failed to make it to 2010.

[mightytiges]

Further to the last post, carltons 19 recruits were

The difference to us now is most of Carlton's recruits that year were recycled duds.

Bannister, Jordan     - recycled
Bentick, Adam    - recycled
Bowyer, Glen    - recycled
Boyd, Murray    
Carrazzo, Andrew    
Clarke, David A.    - recycled
Deluca, Adrian    
Harford, Daniel     - recycled
Johnson, Brett      - recycled   
Kenna, Stephen 
Mcgrath, Cory       - recycled   
Morrell, Digby       - recycled   
Mott, Ricky          - recycled   
O'Hailpin, Setanta    
Pleming, Sam    
Scotland, Heath   - recycled    
Stevens, Nick      - recycled (pure luck they got him too with Port letting him go for nothing)   
Teague, David     - recycled   
Walker, Andrew

Even with us in 2003 we had our own recycled duds as well - Fletcher, Morrison, Marsh, Weller 

At least this year we haven't gone down that recycling dud path. Sure there'll be probably half of the 14 we picked up who won't make but even if we get 5 AFL quality footballers out of this draft of which a couple a genuine A-graders then it'll be classed as a success. Repeat that for 3-4 years and you'll put a decent side on the park.

[tdy]

At least this year we haven't gone down that recycling dud path. Sure there'll be probably half of the 14 we picked up who won't make but even if we get 5 AFL quality footballers out of this draft of which a couple a genuine A-graders then it'll be classed as a success. Repeat that for 3-4 years and you'll put a decent side on the park.

Good point.

Intersting to note 4 of the 7 to survive to 2009 were recycled, of which one was of genuine trade value in Stevens just Port refused to trade him.

Bannister, Jordan      - recycled
Bentick, Adam     - recycled
Carrazzo, Andrew   
O'Hailpin, Setanta   
Scotland, Heath     - recycled
Stevens, Nick     - recycled
Walker, Andrew

But it still indicates that going the whole hog and recruiting a bucket load of new players each year is pretty hit and miss. But if you gotta do it, you gotta do it.

[mightytiges]

Good point.

Intersting to note 4 of the 7 to survive to 2009 were recycled, of which one was of genuine trade value in Stevens just Port refused to trade him.

Bannister, Jordan      - recycled
Bentick, Adam     - recycled
Carrazzo, Andrew   
O'Hailpin, Setanta   
Scotland, Heath     - recycled
Stevens, Nick     - recycled
Walker, Andrew

But it still indicates that going the whole hog and recruiting a bucket load of new players each year is pretty hit and miss. But if you gotta do it, you gotta do it.

You'd hope recruiters nowdays compared to 6 years ago have more scouts and better technology to further minimise the hit and miss nature of the draft. But you're right tidyman it's not a perfect science but I guess the lesson is if you gotta do it then do it with unknown newbies rather than rehashing recycled duds who you know are already duds.

[Penelope]

I think the club has made a smart move this year by looking at the young men, that have missed the drafts but are now showing form against the men at senior level, all be it at a lower lever, as well as the young elite kids.

For those of us that remember pre-draft, if the kid wasn't in the system, ie under 19s/reserves, a lot of the recruits were into their 20s when they made their dubuts. Young men who were playing well at senior level, but at lower grades.

Now everyone is trying to pick footballers at the age of 17/18. Not everyone matures and develops at the same rate and to disregard possible recruits just because they are 20 years old is not really that bright. Whether the actual picks work only time will tell, but they are still picks with a potential long term, yet if they can step up, they will step up pretty quickly and be ready to play next season. It's potentially an untapped market, particularly with gold coast and west sydney having the pick of the crop in regards to youngsters for the near future.

Much prefer to see the likes of roberts, webberly and nason getting a spot on the list than the recyled duds that have been recruited over the last couple of decades

[mightytiges]

Pre the draft era we all remember Michael Tuck and Dipper playing a heap of ressies games for Hawthorn. You're right al the expectation is great on kids now to star as a teenager as soon as they enter the AFL. Mind you at Richmond we've often gone the other way and hung onto players who weren't up to it for too long  .

One thing we can't criticise the Club on is not studying every league. We drafted or at least had training with us players from the TAC Cup, SANFL, QAFL, TFL, NTFL. Hopefully a sign that our scouting resources have dramatically improved. We'll find out in a few years how well they did. JON must have put us off the WAFL lol.