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Re: Jacob Hopper to Richmond thread
« Reply #150 on: October 08, 2022, 10:25:02 PM »
Soldo, 31, next year's first for hopper 44, 61 and 63. It's done. Just waiting on paperwork lodgement

https://twitter.com/TigerTuff9/status/1578269692644720641

Good deal imo.

Just need to grab a depth ruck
Yeah that's a steal. Assuming you don't really rate Soldo (I don't) then we're getting rid of a list clogger, pick 31, a pick around 20 next year, and we're even getting some picks back the other way. Not bad for a gun.

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Re: Jacob Hopper to Richmond thread
« Reply #151 on: October 09, 2022, 03:41:36 AM »
I don’t think we’d use those 2 picks in the 60s though. Even if we package them together to trade to another club, their points value combined is only worth pick 52 and a club isn’t going to do that unless they get more points then they’re trading out. So just seem like pointless picks which will end up being passed on at draft night.

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Re: Jacob Hopper to Richmond thread
« Reply #152 on: October 09, 2022, 09:28:39 AM »
A  premiership Ruckman and a player who played half the season coming off a knee reco "a list clogger" disgraceful comment there Broadsword.

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Re: Jacob Hopper to Richmond thread
« Reply #153 on: October 09, 2022, 09:54:49 AM »
A  premiership Ruckman and a player who played half the season coming off a knee reco "a list clogger" disgraceful comment there Broadsword.
It's not disgraceful. He's both.

He is a premiership ruckman, he is coming off a knee reco, AND he is clogging the list. Not an either/or scenario.

Calm the hysteria.

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Re: Jacob Hopper to Richmond thread
« Reply #154 on: October 09, 2022, 12:58:45 PM »
A  premiership Ruckman and a player who played half the season coming off a knee reco "a list clogger" disgraceful comment there Broadsword.
It's not disgraceful. He's both.

He is a premiership ruckman, he is coming off a knee reco, AND he is clogging the list. Not an either/or scenario.

Calm the hysteria.

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Re: Jacob Hopper to Richmond thread
« Reply #155 on: October 09, 2022, 02:20:18 PM »
I think he is a good tap ruckman the competes well in the centre, but needs to improve the other stuff around the ground .
I would have kept him on the list but you have to give up something to get something
If Nank goes down the conversation will be interesting

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Re: Jacob Hopper to Richmond thread
« Reply #156 on: October 09, 2022, 08:58:23 PM »
The constant criticism of him has been. Very poor around the ground and has little contribution outside of the ruck contest.
What im asking over the whole journey so far has things like taking a mark, getting a LITTLE BIT OF BALL, actually taking contested marks and consistently influencing the ruck contests improved and finally is he providing that cover like Nankervis does when the ball hits the ground which is a big no.. Not to mention the uncoordination and horrible skill set.

We all comment on what we see. There is only the stats left to go by and they back up very much to the hilt what plenty of people see, that Big Ivan has not improved very much at all in the areas he really needs  to improve in.

Mid April he will be 27 he is starting to get along a bit its a seriuos question have we seen his best at 27 he should very much be in his prime and at his best.

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Re: Jacob Hopper to Richmond thread
« Reply #157 on: October 09, 2022, 09:38:53 PM »
I feel like ‘good tap ruckman’ gets thrown around too much for rucks who manage to get their hands to the ball first in the contest ignoring where the ball ends up. This especially happens for the tall, lumbering types who win the ruck contest for the most part just based on their height advantage. It is being used to describe soldo and 5+ years ago the same was being said about Hampson. Happy to be proven otherwise based on either of their stats but I don’t think just by watching the games that either of their hit outs to advantage ratios show that they are actually ‘good tap ruckman’. As in how often do we actually see soldo tap the ball down our mids throat like a nicnat, gawn, Ryder does? I get that it’s also partly down to our mids as well but I actually see him hitting it directly to our opponent quite often too, frustratingly even when he is uncontested or up against non-rucks.

Now you could argue nank is guilty of the above (hello elimination final) but he offers so much around the ground, winning clearances, contested possession, taking intercept marks which soldo just does not.

So the biggest issue I see with losing soldo is our overall ruck depth within our list if nank were to go down with a long term injury. However I’m sure the club can pick up a mature age ruck from the state leagues who is good to go should that happen and the club don’t think Ryan is ready to fill the void.

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Re: Jacob Hopper to Richmond thread
« Reply #158 on: October 09, 2022, 10:05:48 PM »
Tom Browne on 7news tonight:

* Hopper will be a Tiger by the close of the trade period.

* Soldo weighing up if he wants to go to GWS as part of it. Otherwise, Hopper will land at Punt Rd using picks.

Go to 1:12 min mark: https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1579021616448561153

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Re: Jacob Hopper to Richmond thread
« Reply #159 on: October 10, 2022, 02:10:59 AM »
GWS and Richmond have not advanced in a deal for Jacob Hopper’s move to Punt Road but a move is still highly likely to occur.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/weid-out-a-solution-dees-dons-trade-could-set-off-dominoes-20221009-p5bodj.html

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Re: Jacob Hopper to Richmond thread
« Reply #160 on: October 10, 2022, 02:11:36 AM »
JACOB HOPPER TO RICHMOND

Richmond and Greater Western Sydney got the Tim Taranto deal out of the way first as it was an easier one to negotiate given Taranto wasn’t contracted – it’s a different story for Hopper. Having given up pick No. 12 and 19 for Taranto, the Tigers have less to play with for Hopper, which is why a player has been discussed as a part of the deal. Ivan Soldo has completed a medical with the Giants, while the Tigers have all-but ruled out trading Hugo Ralphsmith. At the centre of the deal will be pick No. 31 and a future first-rounder, but it may not be enough, hence the addition of a player.

Verdict: Giants receive Pick 31, future first-round pick and Ivan Soldo – Tigers receive Hopper.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2022-state-of-play-how-biggest-deals-get-done-deadline-latest-josh-dunkley-jason-hornefrancis-luke-jackson-brodie-grundy-rory-lobb/news-story/917b8916d607da92a19de3a0e323fce8

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Re: Jacob Hopper to Richmond thread
« Reply #161 on: October 10, 2022, 06:56:48 AM »
If we get something back we have done well.

Pies gave up pick 7, following years first for treloar and 65 back.

Bombers gave up pick 9, following years first for a second rounder and Shiel.

Cats would have given more for Cameron than both of those from memory.

On the surface I feel we have fared better than all of those examples.

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Re: Jacob Hopper to Richmond thread
« Reply #162 on: October 10, 2022, 11:21:26 AM »
Sam Edmund this morning still claiming it will be a F1, 31 & Soldo.



“It’ll be Richmond’s future first, pick 31 and Ivan Soldo (for Hopper), that’s the deal that’s been discussed for some time.”

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/10/09/move-for-saint-ruled-out-as-edmund-delivers-mega-trade-update-on-key-targets/

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Re: Jacob Hopper to Richmond thread
« Reply #163 on: October 10, 2022, 12:53:23 PM »
"It is looking more and more likely it gets done, and more and more likely it involves Ivan Soldo."

- @CalTwomey on the Hopper deal

https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1579279635841691648

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Re: Jacob Hopper to Richmond thread
« Reply #164 on: October 10, 2022, 12:57:47 PM »
"It is looking more and more likely it gets done, and more and more likely it involves Ivan Soldo."

- @CalTwomey on the Hopper deal

https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1579279635841691648
Audio here:

Go to 16:13 min mark: https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=1049985


'It's all ready and prepped. It's over to Soldo to make the call and make the move. When you are under contract you have the final say.'