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[one-eyed]

Pendlebury had a sook on 3aw about the umpiring last night .

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Tiger exploits ruck rule, Pendles not happy

Marc McGowan 
afl.com.au
March 31, 2017

THE AFL's much-discussed 'third man up' rule is set to be debated again after Richmond midfielder Shaun Grigg successfully introduced a potential new tactic. 

Grigg sneakily won a free kick and slotted a crucial goal with the tactic midway through the fourth quarter of Thursday night's 19-point win over Collingwood. 

The AFL banned the 'third man up' in ruck contests in the off-season after it became a popular approach among clubs last year to curb dominant big men. 

One player at each club must nominate before every ruck contest and the rule already caused some confusion in round one. 

The umpire paid a free kick against Grigg's bemused Magpie opponent Brayden Maynard for "blocking" and explained the Tiger had nominated himself for the ruck. 

Collingwood big man Jesse White was in the vicinity and expecting to contest the boundary throw-in.

Tigers coach Damien Hardwick had no doubt Grigg was seeking a free kick. 

Grigg, who is 190cm, kicked a 50m goal courtesy of the free kick, extending Richmond's lead to 20 points at a key stage with the Pies pressing. 

"Collingwood has to be onto that. Grigg's taken the last three boundary throw-ins," Richmond great Matthew Richardson said in Channel Seven commentary. 

Magpies skipper Scott Pendlebury told 3AW post-match he was concerned about the Tiger tactic. 

"I don't think we want to get the game looking like that," Pendlebury said. 

"All sides will see that tonight and think they can take advantage of that. Every side will think, 'Gee, we might be able to steal one if we can do this'. It might happen." 

Collingwood coach Nathan Buckley said the Grigg goal was "costly" and Maynard would have learned a harsh lesson about being aware. 

"Brayden is a young player (and) he's still learning. At the very least he should be watching the ball," Buckley said. 

"You shouldn't have your back to the ball and maybe that would have been enough."

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-03-31/tiger-exploits-ruck-rule-pendles-not-happy

[Yeahright]

Correct me if I'm wrong here, which I hardly ever am, but if you aren't facing the ball it doesn't matter if your a ruckman, a forward, a midfield, the umpire, or the waterboy it is still blocking the man. You have to actually be looking at the ball

[Penelope]

correct.

Definately a planned move, nank was the first bloke appealing for the free when it happened.

It was a smart move to have someone besides the ruckman nominate.
Other sides will copy the tactic and it should reduce blocking tactics, which can only be a good thing.

There was also one occasion occasion where no collingwood player nominated and you could hear the umpire telling them that no one could contest.

Maybe Hardwick isnt the dumbest coach in the league 

[Tigeritis™©®]

After 7 years at the helm, Is there any reason to believe Hardwick was the mastermind behind this tactic?

I'd put my money on one of the newbies coming up with it,  probable Blake.

[WilliamPowell]

After 7 years at the helm, Is there any reason to believe Hardwick was the mastermind behind this tactic?

I'd put my money on one of the newbies coming up with it,  probable Blake.

Going by Hardwick's presser, if was on field decision

Grigg became the 2nd ruckman option when Griffiths went off, so Grigg made the call

[Yeahright]

correct.

So the issue isn't he was the nominated ruck, it was that the Collingwood player was blocking another player. Nothing to do with the new rules.

[Penelope]

I think the issue is they were outsmarted by us playing the rules.(as opposed to playing to the rules)

After 7 years at the helm, Is there any reason to believe Hardwick was the mastermind behind this tactic?

I'd put my money on one of the newbies coming up with it,  probable Blake.

you missed the point.
Collingwood were outsmarted on that one, and were not clued onto having to nominate a ruckman on another occasion.
Isnt that a reflection on their coaching?

[🏅Dooks]

It was Griggs decision. Not the best footballer or kick but kudos to him. Must have a bit vpbetween the ears (along with Nank)

[Tigeritis™©®]

I think the issue is they were outsmarted by us playing the rules.(as opposed to playing to the rules)

After 7 years at the helm, Is there any reason to believe Hardwick was the mastermind behind this tactic?

I'd put my money on one of the newbies coming up with it,  probable Blake.

you missed the point.
Collingwood were outsmarted on that one, and were not clued onto having to nominate a ruckman on another occasion.
Isnt that a reflection on their coaching?

History with this team suggests otherwise.
Taking into consideration all that I've seen over the last seven years, ie. the worst 90 seconds ever seen & the worst 3 minutes ever played.
Then I put it down to a fluke of circumstances & the Collingwood players were just too stupid to realise that our second ruck was injured.

It doesn't mean Hardwick was the mastermind.

[🏅Dooks]

Anyone watch the Eagles vs StKilda game?

Saints were absolutely sodomised by the umps. 23-8 and worst umpiring i have seen in probably seen in 5-10 years. Im suprised theres not talk about it in the media

Edit - just found this right on cue

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/st-kilda/st-kilda-fans-slam-free-kick-count-as-wayward-saints-fall-to-west-coast/news-story/293b911d20f1a63fb5e141e1d4f1fb6c

[WilliamPowell]

Anyone watch the Eagles vs StKilda game?

Saints were absolutely sodomised by the umps. Worst umpiring i have seen in probably seen in 5-10 years. Im suprised theres not talk about it in the media

Plenty of talk about it on Twitter and by alot of journos who are on twitter

[MintOnLamb]

Was it my imagination but i thought we were bent over on thursday night by the umps as well.

[🏅Dooks]

Anyone watch the Eagles vs StKilda game?

Saints were absolutely sodomised by the umps. Worst umpiring i have seen in probably seen in 5-10 years. Im suprised theres not talk about it in the media

Plenty of talk about it on Twitter and by alot of journos who are on twitter

The afl need to be careful when the umpiring gets so strangely lopsided. It opens up the perception of genuine funny business going on.
 

[🏅Dooks]

Was it my imagination but i thought we were bent over on thursday night by the umps as well.

Their interpretation of the advantage rule cost us. Interpretations of holding the ball and arm chopping/spoiling as well as throwing/handballing also cost us.

Well that was my take. A poor night out for the umps.

[Willy]

The umpiring is always completely biased Perth. The crowd gets to the umps over there.