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Analysis: Why in-demand star Tim Taranto picked Richmond over AFL rivals Collingwood

Adam Treloar famously picked Collingwood over Richmond because he thought they had a better list. Tim Taranto opted to go the other way. DANIEL CHERNY explores the intricacies of the call.

Daniel Cherny
HeraldSun
March 30, 2023


Saturday will mark seven years to the day since what was perhaps Brodie Grundy’s most iconic moment as a Collingwood player.

Trailing by 17 points more than 23 minutes into the final quarter of a round two game against Richmond, the Pies came from the clouds to pinch a one-point victory, with Grundy’s hurried goalmouth hack in heavy traffic putting his side ahead with 10 seconds remaining.

Among the subplots from that Friday night encounter were the exchanges between Adam Treloar, playing just his second game in black and white, and then Tigers captain Trent Cotchin.

Treloar had been pursued by both Collingwood and Richmond at the end of the previous season after he decided to return to Victoria following four seasons at Greater Western Sydney, where he had been runner-up in the club’s 2015 best and fairest.

The explosive midfielder said at the time that his choice to choose the Pies over the Tigers had been made because he thought Collingwood had a “better list” than Richmond.

It made for a compelling narrative heading into that early-season game in 2016, and Cotchin was all too keen to remind Treloar of his comments when the Tigers headed to what looked like a matchwinning lead late in the game, only to come unstuck when Collingwood surged.

As it turned out, 2016 was not a great season for either of the traditional Victorian heavyweights. Both clubs missed the eight. Richmond, having stumbled after three straight finals series from 2013 to 2015, was under siege at every level, with an attempted board coup accompanying a brutal football department review.

The Pies fared marginally better but could still only manage 12th spot, meaning respective coaches Damien Hardwick and Nathan Buckley entered 2017 under immense pressure.

Ultimately there was success ahead for both clubs. Buckley hung onto his job despite another year out of the finals before leading his side into a grand final in 2018 and preliminary final the following year, both of which were lost narrowly. Treloar could barely have been closer to becoming a Magpies premiership player.

But it was Richmond who had the last laugh. It is a parallel universe, but Treloar could conceivably have become part of the Tiger triple-premiership dynasty had he chosen to head to Punt Road rather than across the other side of Swan St.

All that brings us to Tim Taranto, who on Friday night plays against Collingwood in his third match for the Tigers. Taranto, like Treloar six years earlier, was in 2022 a talented and ready-made Victorian Giants midfielder weighing up interest from both Richmond and Collingwood as he came to the end of his contract at GWS.

There is a suspicion at rival clubs that Taranto was leaning towards the Tigers for much of 2022, however the Magpies were repeatedly linked with the onballer, who had been shunted to half-forward at times with the Giants. Ironically, Collingwood was only in a position to be able to even consider a play for Taranto after cleaning up its salary cap situation, by off-loading players including Treloar, and eventually Grundy too.

In any case, Taranto – alongside fellow GWS departee Jacob Hopper – signed respective seven-year deals with the Tigers. Not exactly taking a short-term view of things.

Hopper was also linked to Collingwood, while Geelong was also a major suitor before the Tigers blew the others out of the water with the length of their offer.

While both the Tigers and Pies made the finals last year, both were heavy reliant on scoring from turnover and relatively weak when it came to clearances. Taranto and Hopper therefore addressed a clear area of need. Having missed out on Taranto, Collingwood instead zeroed in on contracted Hawks midfielder Tom Mitchell, who had himself been linked to the Tigers a year earlier.

Taranto kept a relatively low profile after joining Richmond, and has not publicly discussed why he specifically preferred the Tigers to the Pies. But speaking on the Tommy Talks podcast with former teammate Tom Sheridan, Taranto said Richmond’s belief that it can defy the AFL’s equalisation forces was a compelling reason for his call.

“The list is looking really good. What kind of sold it to me is we reckon we can be successful for a long stint, kind of like Geelong’s been. I guess we’re kind of modelling it off that,” Taranto said.

Balancing the long-term and the short-term is an eternal juggle, and few clubs this century have managed to consistently contend for a premiership. The Cats are an outlier.

While the Pies have sold a message of regeneration under Craig McRae, they are not a particularly young side, and neither are the Tigers. Both teams last week fielded sides with an average age of more than 27. Only Geelong was older in round two.

Trying to project what these sides might look like come the end of 2029 is therefore almost impossible. Consider that from the 2016 game, only Taylor Adams, Jack Crisp, Jordan de Goey, Darcy Moore and Scott Pendlebury are still at the Pies, while Cotchin, Dustin Martin, Kamdyn McIntosh, Jayden Short, Jack Riewoldt and Nick Vlastuin are the survivors for the Tigers.

In Nick Daicos, Collingwood has an emerging superstar, probably the league’s most bankable talent for the next decade and maybe then some. Brother Josh has been a slower burn but has developed into one of the AFL’s best wingmen and is still only 24.

On the flip side Richmond has Shai Bolton, an All-Australian last year and also just 24.

But with Collingwood still getting meaningful contributions from Pendlebury and Steele Sidebottom, as well as fellow 30+ year-olds in the injured Jeremy Howe, Jamie Elliott and Brody Mihocek, there is no guarantee that progress will be linear for the Magpies.

Likewise, the Tigers are still dependent for goals on Riewoldt, 34, and Tom Lynch, 30, while Dylan Grimes and Martin are both 31. And as impressive as Maurice Rioli jnr has been, the Tigers do not have a Nick Daicos-like player under 21. To be fair, no other club probably does.

Lynch could steamroll the Pies’ depleted back line on Friday night. Or Pendlebury’s incisive kicking could cut through Richmond’s pressure game. In any case, judging Taranto’s wisdom on the outcome of this match would be unwise. As Treloar and Grundy show, seven years is a bloody long time in footy.

https://www.codesports.com.au/afl/richmond/analysis-why-indemand-star-tim-taranto-picked-richmond-over-afl-rivals-collingwood/news-story/728510a39da59cad3d104dbd90c89523

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Re: Tim Taranto officially a Tiger [merged]
« Reply #181 on: April 01, 2023, 04:10:45 AM »
Thoughts on Taranto's game?

29 disposals (16k, 13h, 12c, 17u, 55.2% eff.)
5 marks
6 tackles
9 clearances (1 centre clearance)
3 inside 50s
372 metres gained
5 score involvements
1 goal assist
1 behind
82% time on ground

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Re: Tim Taranto officially a Tiger [merged]
« Reply #182 on: April 01, 2023, 06:30:28 AM »
I thought he was not too bad. Add 2 goals to those stats and you would be happy.
Probably was overawed by the situation, huge game, big crowd.
This is why he came to Richmond.

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Re: Tim Taranto officially a Tiger [merged]
« Reply #183 on: April 01, 2023, 07:05:54 AM »
Kicking is a little disappointing
“I find it nearly impossible to make those judgments, but he is certainly up there with the really important ones, he is certainly up there with the Francis Bourkes and the Royce Harts and the Kevin Bartlett and the Kevin Sheedys, there is no doubt about that,” Balme said.

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Re: Tim Taranto officially a Tiger [merged]
« Reply #184 on: April 01, 2023, 10:26:34 AM »
Has to do something about that disposal efficiency

2 big games and around the 56% mark

For an elite mid it is a poor return
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Re: Tim Taranto officially a Tiger [merged]
« Reply #185 on: April 01, 2023, 11:22:42 AM »
Has to do something about that disposal efficiency

2 big games and around the 56% mark

For an elite mid it is a poor return

Seem to remember Cotchin had a kicking efficiency of 55% some time ago

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Re: Tim Taranto officially a Tiger [merged]
« Reply #186 on: April 02, 2023, 01:05:19 PM »
From the Sunday Footy Show:

Taranto in 2023:
49 kicks
26 non-effective (#1 in the comp)
49.9% kicking eff.

Of players with 50+ disposals in 2023, only one player is worse for disposal eff.

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Re: Tim Taranto officially a Tiger [merged]
« Reply #187 on: April 02, 2023, 02:44:36 PM »
Big f$&&@ deal, he is usually under pressure when he gets the ball as he works in a shoe box with 3 games in.
all of sudden it becomes a mortal sin by the pompous fools , now he is at Richmond,
 I was wondering who the next scapegoat would be now George has gone

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Re: Tim Taranto officially a Tiger [merged]
« Reply #188 on: April 02, 2023, 03:34:52 PM »
I’m happy with his output. Wins the hard ball.

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Re: Tim Taranto officially a Tiger [merged]
« Reply #189 on: April 02, 2023, 05:42:56 PM »
We’ve already become very reliant on his for clearance - 9 of 42 yesterday and 7 of 36 vs Crows.
“I find it nearly impossible to make those judgments, but he is certainly up there with the really important ones, he is certainly up there with the Francis Bourkes and the Royce Harts and the Kevin Bartlett and the Kevin Sheedys, there is no doubt about that,” Balme said.

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Re: Tim Taranto officially a Tiger [merged]
« Reply #190 on: April 02, 2023, 06:23:17 PM »
Here's the full segment about Taranto on the Sunday Footy Show.

https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1642327474808791042

Lloyd said to play Taranto forward where he played his best game (4 goals vs us) and play Bolton and Dusty more in the midfield.

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Re: Tim Taranto officially a Tiger [merged]
« Reply #191 on: April 02, 2023, 06:30:03 PM »
For 2 first round picks I expect better disposal even if he is elite in other areas simple as that.

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Re: Tim Taranto officially a Tiger [merged]
« Reply #192 on: April 03, 2023, 10:12:15 AM »
No one in the media says poo when Dangerfield built a career from winning the clearance and just banging it on the boot for a Hail Mary into the f50.

If anything this highlights that our forwards need to be better and our f50 set up needs work to anticipate the Taranto kick in

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Re: Tim Taranto officially a Tiger [merged]
« Reply #193 on: April 03, 2023, 10:23:34 AM »
Lol can honestly say we would have lost all three without him.
In getting him we knew his kicking was not elite we got him for his c/p and clearance work and so far he has repaid us in spades.

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Re: Tim Taranto officially a Tiger [merged]
« Reply #194 on: April 05, 2023, 03:46:51 AM »
"Tim Taranto is a watch at Richmond...he's struggling to have an impact with ball in hand."

- Daniel Hoyne (from Champion Data)

Audio from 9:30 min mark: https://megaphone.link/NTETP3368416716

https://twitter.com/SENSportsday/status/1643165530449383424


A reply to the above tweet ...
Quote from: MiGS
He's ELITE in almost every other category...

Cripps, who the media froff over is 61% disposal eff - taranto 58.

Pretty sure the tigers would rather him in than out.


https://twitter.com/og_migs/status/1643239572221071363