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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: mightytiges on October 30, 2004, 01:53:16 AM
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As most of the "names" lol weren't delisted (apart from McKee) any future delistings will have to go into the PSD. Won't know about Knobel and Blake for another 2 weeks. Also means we've got 2 weeks to do something with Zantuck.
Who should we go after out of McGrath, Keating, Corey?, Knobel?, Blake?, Porter, Ackland or McKee?
Talk about slim pickings :-\.
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I'd go for Blake that way he doesn't have to worry about Staff's knees :shh :o ;D
I reckon Knobel will want to much money. Porter can head back to Carlton. Keating shouldn't b e an option becuae we need someone who can play atleast 17-20 games a year not someone who's around finals time ::)
McGrath - well we had one of them and it didn't work out :lol
Ackland - no thanks don't think he is dedicated enough
And Steve Mckee - no problems if we take if we cannnot get Blake :thumbsup
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I would go for Blake as well WP. The best of a pretty thin PSD and a ruckman to boot. Our ruck stocks would be fairly strong if we have Simmonds, Stafford, Blake + a young ruckman. It'd allso allow the youngster to develop without rushing him into the senior side to cover the loss of a injured senior player.
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I see Blake as more a possibility to fill a key backline position. If we take him I reckon we'll still need a ruckman. I doubt he'd be more than nuisance value against the likes of Gardiner or Everitt, as is the case when Ray Hall rucks.
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I actually watched part of a replay of a Saints -v- Carlton this afternoon in Fox Footy specifically to have a look at Knobel and Blake.
Of the 2 it is a no contest by a mile - Blake for mine.
I thought Knobel's disposal was average (a remember this is a game the Saints won but 100+ points), actually his skills in general were average. His ruck work reminded me of Jerry Maguire sorry I did it again :P I meant Ottens - just dropping straight down at his own feet. NO THANKS >:(
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I am not that much of an expert at the draft - after the first handful of picks NFI
Is there any really tall kids in there somewhere - if so take a punt and try to find the next first class ruckman instead of talking about re-cycled hacks that are nuisance value only. Going nowhere
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Is there any really tall kids in there somewhere - if so take a punt and try to find the next first class ruckman instead of talking about re-cycled hacks that are nuisance value only. Going nowhere
CUB, I have no doubt we will target a young ruckman in the National Draft - will probably use one of our 5 picks in the top 20 on one but when comes to ruckman ready to play we have Simmonds & Stafford. I don't care what anyone says - Ray Hall aint no ruckman so he isn't an option.
We need a back up in case something happens to either Stafford, Simmonds or both. We need someone to be available who is big enough and strong enough to make a contest. An 18y.o. 90kgs beanpole is not going to give you that and that would be the only reason you pick a re-cycled ruckman.
The other point is Stafford is 30 and 2005 may just be his final year - any kid we draft this season is unlikely to be ready to be you number 2 let alone number 1 ruckman for at least 2-3 years, remembering that ruckman take longer to develop that say a mid-fileder
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Is there any really tall kids in there somewhere - if so take a punt and try to find the next first class ruckman instead of talking about re-cycled hacks that are nuisance value only. Going nowhere
Yeh this is apparantly quoted as teh best year for ruckman in the draft ever.
I will put them in order of what i think will go the highest to the lowest
Cameron Wood
Fabian DeLuca
John Meeson
Ivan Maric
Chad Gibson
Earl Shaw
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The other point is Stafford is 30 and 2005 may just be his final year - any kid we draft this season is unlikely to be ready to be you number 2 let alone number 1 ruckman for at least 2-3 years, remembering that ruckman take longer to develop that say a mid-fileder
Spot on WP. Add to that Staff's record of injury in his time at Tigerland isn't very good. We'll need this spare experienced ruckman for 2005.
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I'd rather we passed on our first pick in the PSD than pick up one of these rejects that are being suggested. No use getting a dud just to fill the list.
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I'd rather we passed on our first pick in the PSD than pick up one of these rejects that are being suggested. No use getting a dud just to fill the list.
Based on our previous efforts over the past 10 years that's not bad advice John.
2004: Ben Marsh, Luke Weller (delisted end of same year)
1999: Clay Sampson
1997: Brett Evans
1996: Darren Gaspar (compensation pick for Maxfield)
1995: Stuart Wigney, Mark McQueen
1994: Jamie Elliott, Hayden Robbins, Adam Slater
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Just think of how much money we would have saved if we passed on all those clowns MT. :banghead
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Apart from Gas who at least had an AFL career albeit overpaid after 2001 thanks to Mark Brayshaw, the rest you would have missed if you blinked. Wigney was good in the first 9 games of 95 but then found his dudness level again. The birdman sole memorable contribution was a 60m bomb for a goal after the half time siren in 98 against the bombers. The rest did bugger all.
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I'd rather we passed on our first pick in the PSD than pick up one of these rejects that are being suggested. No use getting a dud just to fill the list.
I'm with Johnny F on this one.
I'd rather use pick 60 (or thereabouts) in the national draft than pick up another Marsh or Weller in the PSD.
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Apart from Gas who at least had an AFL career albeit overpaid after 2001 thanks to Mark Brayshaw, the rest you would have missed if you blinked. Wigney was good in the first 9 games of 95 but then found his dudness level again. The birdman sole memorable contribution was a 60m bomb for a goal after the half time siren in 98 against the bombers. The rest did bugger all.
Are you forgetting the best hip and shoulder from a player in black/yellow for the last 20 years that made BBB Barry Hall go snap?
Mark McQueen.....LMAO @ Picking him up about 3 seperate times in the draft.
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Apart from Gas who at least had an AFL career albeit overpaid after 2001 thanks to Mark Brayshaw, the rest you would have missed if you blinked. Wigney was good in the first 9 games of 95 but then found his dudness level again. The birdman sole memorable contribution was a 60m bomb for a goal after the half time siren in 98 against the bombers. The rest did bugger all.
Are you forgetting the best hip and shoulder from a player in black/yellow for the last 20 years that made BBB Barry Hall go snap?
Mark McQueen.....LMAO @ Picking him up about 3 seperate times in the draft.
:rollin and we picked McQueen up those 3 times over a 5-6 year period 90, 92 and 95. Took us that long to realise he couldn't play footy :help
Best hip and shoulder in the last 20 years goes to Scotty Turner :bow :thumbsup
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Are you forgetting the best hip and shoulder from a player in black/yellow for the last 20 years that made BBB Barry Hall go snap?
Mark McQueen.....LMAO @ Picking him up about 3 seperate times in the draft.
lmfaoooooo@our lax three strikes and you're out policy. stuff we have made some big blues.
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The Pre-Season Draft is quickly turning into the Pre-Season Duds with the Lions starting to sign up their remaining out of contract players.
All that remains is McGough, McKee, Knobel, Mark Graham, Barlow and Porter :help. Zantuck will probably end up the best of the lot :-\.
Once again the papers have us linked to Graham. Please NO! :o
Not a good year to have the first pick :(.
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The Pre-Season Draft is quickly turning into the Pre-Season Duds with the Lions starting to sign up their remaining out of contract players.
All that remains is McGough, McKee, Knobel, Mark Graham, Barlow and Porter :help. Zantuck will probably end up the best of the lot :-\.
Once again the papers have us linked to Graham. Please NO! :o
Not a good year to have the first pick :(.
Do you think Livingstone may be worth a punt on a one year deal? See if a new environment and Terry can get him back on track...
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Rumours have it that Clint Bizzel, although still holidaying in the staes, is unhappy (again) with his latest offer from the Dees. Perhaps he would be an interesting investment to help with the development of a jackson/schultz. Anything would be better than a Mark Graham!!! Looks like Miller is keeping this one quiet ... maybe he is onto somethin we havent contemplated yet!?!?!?!? ;)
P.s PLEASE NO MCKEE PLEASE!!!!!!!!!
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Rumour has it that blake caracella is going to nominate for the pre season draft. Unhappy with the lions offer as they had to retain a few players. So this makes him and keating available. WHo would you take?
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Rumour has it that blake caracella is going to nominate for the pre season draft. Unhappy with the lions offer as they had to retain a few players. So this makes him and keating available. WHo would you take?
Neither TOO OLD the both of them
Rumours have it that Clint Bizzel, although still holidaying in the staes, is unhappy (again) with his latest offer from the Dees. Perhaps he would be an interesting investment to help with the development of a jackson/schultz. Anything would be better than a Mark Graham!!! Looks like Miller is keeping this one quiet ... maybe he is onto somethin we havent contemplated yet!?!?!?!? ;)
Bizzell - NO THANKS - I don't think we need someone like him to develop Jackson & Schulz in the ability of have shocking foot disposal when under pressure. Coupled with the fact that the defensive side of Bizzell's game is practically none existent I would be steering way clear
PS: Welcome to OER 11bowden11 :cheers :thumbsup
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Rumour has it that blake caracella is going to nominate for the pre season draft. Unhappy with the lions offer as they had to retain a few players. So this makes him and keating available. WHo would you take?
Like WP I would pass on both. Caracella reminds me of a better version of Houlihan. Has the skills but can't win his own ball. Just on Caracella - unlike Frawley who put Blumfield straight into our "best" 22, Matthews made Caracella earn his spot which he never really has being used as a off the bench fringe type up there.
As for Keating - too old and too injury prone for our needs. He's made a name for himself at Brisbane of missing most of the home and away season each year only to come back around finals time and be a major player in the Lions 3 flags. We need a ruckman who will be fit and available for most of the year given Stafford is nearing the end of his career and experiences his own injury (and suspension :shh) woes.
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Do you think Livingstone may be worth a punt on a one year deal? See if a new environment and Terry can get him back on track...
From some Blues supporters I know they reckon he is up there with Fiora as a first round draftee. 32 games in 4 years isn't much of a return.
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lmfaoooooO@the best player available coming from the Diamond Valley 3rds.
Let's just give it a pass.
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U GUYS ARE KIDDING RIGHT!?!?!? Are you trying to say that we should pass on a no.1 PSD pick?? man o man...... yes we are adopting a youth policy, BUT these guys are not going anywhere if they dont have quality senior players helping with development. So we shouldnt pick up a 27yr - no that old - what is he a 3 time premiership player who sitting on a flank will kick us an extra maybe 25-30 goals a season?? after all we are now aiming for 16 a game! Its ok to keep players like Morrison, Hilton (although injured), chaffey who are not doin anything but playin cr*p footy and takin up space for youngsters ... but we wont pick up a PROVEN quality player who would help help enormously with the cubs.Yes blumfield was a mistake but that was a good gambe at the time 0- it was just unfortunate he was so injured. If we do make it into the finals in a cpl of years itll be the Johnson and caracellas who have been there and done it they r goin to get us through...... i just think we would be crazy to not pick up someone because we need youth. We will get the youth via the draft but this draft is so we can gain one more valuable senior player - its the entire point! i think we need to just open our eyes and think logically about the development and welfare of our17,18,19 and even 20 yr olds.
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U GUYS ARE KIDDING RIGHT!?!?!? Are you trying to say that we should pass on a no.1 PSD pick?? man o man...... yes we are adopting a youth policy, BUT these guys are not going anywhere if they dont have quality senior players helping with development. So we shouldnt pick up a 27yr - no that old - what is he a 3 time premiership player who sitting on a flank will kick us an extra maybe 25-30 goals a season?? after all we are now aiming for 16 a game! Its ok to keep players like Morrison, Hilton (although injured), chaffey who are not doin anything but playin cr*p footy and takin up space for youngsters ... but we wont pick up a PROVEN quality player who would help help enormously with the cubs.Yes blumfield was a mistake but that was a good gambe at the time 0- it was just unfortunate he was so injured. If we do make it into the finals in a cpl of years itll be the Johnson and caracellas who have been there and done it they r goin to get us through...... i just think we would be crazy to not pick up someone because we need youth. We will get the youth via the draft but this draft is so we can gain one more valuable senior player - its the entire point! i think we need to just open our eyes and think logically about the development and welfare of our17,18,19 and even 20 yr olds.
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We will get the youth via the draft but this draft is so we can gain one more valuable senior player
I agree we should take the best in the PSD. I favour Bizzell if available. To not use pick 1 would be a waste. (Is looking pretty light on though :()
I'd go further and say we should use 2 PSD picks. We need a ruckman who is actually a ruckman ready to play in the ruck. For me it's Porter.
Same system as National Draft, best available and then what's needed.
Mentioning Hilton, Morrison and Chaffey is pointless in your argument. They are all contracted. To make the call that anyone thinks it's ok to keep all of them is wrong.
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Im just stating a response to the view that we shouldnt draft these "older" players cause they are just taking the spots of the yougsters. What im sayin is that - is it ok to keep playin these kinda players (hilton,chaffey etc) and refuse to pick up a caracella or whoever? Its good to see that i have someone agreein with me by sayin we shouldnt waste our PSD pick 1!! although i think we will struggle to get much out of it!
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U GUYS ARE KIDDING RIGHT!?!?!? Are you trying to say that we should pass on a no.1 PSD pick?? man o man...... yes we are adopting a youth policy, BUT these guys are not going anywhere if they dont have quality senior players helping with development. So we shouldnt pick up a 27yr - no that old - what is he a 3 time premiership player who sitting on a flank will kick us an extra maybe 25-30 goals a season?? after all we are now aiming for 16 a game! Its ok to keep players like Morrison, Hilton (although injured), chaffey who are not doin anything but playin cr*p footy and takin up space for youngsters ... but we wont pick up a PROVEN quality player who would help help enormously with the cubs.Yes blumfield was a mistake but that was a good gambe at the time 0- it was just unfortunate he was so injured. If we do make it into the finals in a cpl of years itll be the Johnson and caracellas who have been there and done it they r goin to get us through...... i just think we would be crazy to not pick up someone because we need youth. We will get the youth via the draft but this draft is so we can gain one more valuable senior player - its the entire point! i think we need to just open our eyes and think logically about the development and welfare of our17,18,19 and even 20 yr olds.
I agree 11bowden11 with your point that we need to protect our youngsters from being thrown to the wolves and I'm all for using our PSD pick on a quality senior player who will help us in that regard BUT the keyword there is quality senior player. Just because a bloke's played in a premiership doesn't means he'll be a walkup start even in our line-up just as we found out with Marsh, Blumfield and Sampson :o. Remember at Richmond they'll be asked to play a more important and influential role than at the top side they came from where they are made to look better by feeding off superstars. We don't need any more blokes who'll end up spending most of their time at Coburg. That's not going to help the development and welfare of our young kids. As FF pointed out the likes of Hilton and Chaffey only survived because they were still contracted :-\.
Anyway we will be picking up at least one ruckman through necessity just as a backup. It all depends whether that's late in the National draft or with our PSD pick.
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U GUYS ARE KIDDING RIGHT!?!?!? Are you trying to say that we should pass on a no.1 PSD pick?? man o man...... yes we are adopting a youth policy, BUT these guys are not going anywhere if they dont have quality senior players helping with development. So we shouldnt pick up a 27yr - no that old - what is he a 3 time premiership player who sitting on a flank will kick us an extra maybe 25-30 goals a season?? after all we are now aiming for 16 a game! Its ok to keep players like Morrison, Hilton (although injured), chaffey who are not doin anything but playin cr*p footy and takin up space for youngsters ... but we wont pick up a PROVEN quality player who would help help enormously with the cubs.Yes blumfield was a mistake but that was a good gambe at the time 0- it was just unfortunate he was so injured. If we do make it into the finals in a cpl of years itll be the Johnson and caracellas who have been there and done it they r goin to get us through...... i just think we would be crazy to not pick up someone because we need youth. We will get the youth via the draft but this draft is so we can gain one more valuable senior player - its the entire point! i think we need to just open our eyes and think logically about the development and welfare of our17,18,19 and even 20 yr olds.
I agree 11bowden11 with your point that we need to protect our youngsters from being thrown to the wolves and I'm all for using our PSD pick on a quality senior player who will help us in that regard BUT the keyword there is quality senior player. Just because a bloke's played in a premiership doesn't means he'll be a walkup start even in our line-up just as we found out with Marsh, Blumfield and Sampson :o. Remember at Richmond they'll be asked to play a more important and influential role than at the top side they came from where they are made to look better by feeding off superstars. We don't need any more blokes who'll end up spending most of their time at Coburg. That's not going to help the development and welfare of our young kids. As FF pointed out the likes of Hilton and Chaffey only survived because they were still contracted :-\.
Anyway we will be picking up at least one ruckman through necessity just as a backup. It all depends whether that's late in the National draft or with our PSD pick.
Spot on MT :thumbsup
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well lets hope this ruckman is as good as marshy was hey! well if you think Blake Caracella cant get a game for the 16th team in the competition then i dont know who we are planning on picking up. The guy has just played in another grandfinal - he cant be that bad. Surely we can see that he might JUST MIGHT ad another string to TW bow...... I just hope we realise we are not going to pick up a nick stevens or Jade Rawlings...
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I really hope that the club doesn't pick up a player in the PSD just for the sake of it or just because we have got the first pick, IMO there is no quality in this PSD of any real note, so if they are going to pick some I'd like to see them picking someone who they know will be able to play the exact roll they are looking for, If that's Caracella then so be it, if that's McKee then so be it also, but I personally don't rate any of them as genuine stand out players or team inspiring players, in fact they need those types around them in order to make them look more accountable.
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I really hope that the club doesn't pick up a player in the PSD just for the sake of it or just because we have got the first pick, IMO there is no quality in this PSD of any real note, so if they are going to pick some I'd like to see them picking someone who they know will be able to play the exact roll they are looking for, If that's Caracella then so be it, if that's McKee then so be it also, but I personally don't rate any of them as genuine stand out players or team inspiring players, in fact they need those types around them in order to make them look more accountable.
Well said RR.
Outside wingman and flanker cameo types need others to feed them the footy. They struggle at winning their own footy. That's why they can be so damaging especially near the goals in top sides on their day coming off the bench yet consistently go missing in poor sides. I have no qualms over Caracella when he has the ball. He's a very skillful player and his skill level would be by far the best of those who'll potentially end up in the PSD. However if he came to Richmond who's going to feed out the footy to him? That's my concern over him.
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well lets hope this ruckman is as good as marshy was hey!
I'm not happy about this either but we need another ruckman. Blame Frawley for decimating our spine and talls on our list >:(.
I just hope we realise we are not going to pick up a nick stevens or Jade Rawlings...
You're absolutely right 11B11 but that's why some of us are concerned about who to pick up and whether they are worth it. The PSD looks very weak this year sadly :(.
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I agree with your points RR & MT, but PSD pick 1 is a gift for being cr@p and should be utilised. It belies my pet saying that "you don't get anything for nothing".
If Caracella is the best I reckon take him. He might need someone to get the ball to him but at least once he's got it he has good skills, something that is sadly lacking in the team at the moment and identified by TW as an area we need heaps of improvement in.
Once again I'll mention Bizzell. :D I rate this bloke, and I think it's no coincidence that Melbourne fell away when he was injured. I can't see him not coming to terms with them but I'm itching for him to enter the draft.
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Everyone in the PSD is either no good, only appear good when in a good side, or won't be good by the time we are in contention to win a flag.
I'd rather take a late pick in the national draft with the remote chance of discovering a ten year player.
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That's a sound theory John. The only thing is the team has to improve and be competitive in the meantime. It can't be all develop, develop. There has to be some balance.
All of our great sides in the 70's, and in 1980, had a lot of talented youth plus skilled older players. Several of these skilled older players such as Sproule, Walsh, Andrews, Thorpe, McGhie, Malthouse, Rowlings and Welsh were mature imports from other clubs. Some were at the end of their careers when recruited but it didn't stop them being valuable to the team while the next tier of youngsters were being developed.
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That's true FF, but most of those players were decent players. But Knobel? Graham? Caracella? Might as well have kept Ben Marsh, Royce Vardy and Justin Blumfield. They are just as hack-worthy as the potential PSD nominees.
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I agree with your points RR & MT, but PSD pick 1 is a gift for being cr@p and should be utilised. It belies my pet saying that "you don't get anything for nothing".
I reckon it will cost us because the majority of blokes in the PSD can name their own price and I don't want to draft someone who's lefdt their previous Club for financial reasons. Look at Knobel he's walked on St Kilda because of thier "offer", Caracella seems to be the same. We managed to get rid of one mercenary in the trade period we don't want or need a replacement.
If Caracella is the best I reckon take him. He might need someone to get the ball to him but at least once he's got it he has good skills, something that is sadly lacking in the team at the moment and identified by TW as an area we need heaps of improvement in.
I honestly don't think we will be able to afford him. I agree FF once he has the ball his skills are very good but it is his ability to get the ball (as MT has highlighted) that concerns me.
I'd pass.
Once again I'll mention Bizzell. :D I rate this bloke, and I think it's no coincidence that Melbourne fell away when he was injured. I can't see him not coming to terms with them but I'm itching for him to enter the draft.
I don't rate him that highly FF but I agree he'll stay with the Demons.
I think it is great that we have first pick in the PSD draft but we need to take a player that is going to be of benefit to Richmond not take a player simply because we have pick 1.
If the belief is that we are not going to get the best player available that fits into what the Club needs then I would have no problem with them taking another kid in the National Draft rather than some bloke who's been de-listed and would probably spend more than 50% at Coburg. If you take some re-cycled bloke in the PSD you want them playing at least 18-22 games
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How come everyone seems really negative about picking up a recycled player?? at least TW and GM are not goin to be persuaded by some dipsh*t aka Fr#wley into picking up rubbish! lets get on board with them and encourage a good decision here. Recycled players are not always that bad - look at teague from carlton - he was a hack who had no speed nor skills - won Carltons BnF = not a bad pick up! lets put faith in TW's decision making and u neva know we could end up with wat may seem as a bargain! Dont be suprised if Miller is conjuring up some big name - i think notting is still uncontracted.
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I guess picking up such player(s) is not unlike death and taxes
and like death and taxes,we should put it off to the last possible minute
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I guess picking up such player(s) is not unlike death and taxes
and like death and taxes,we should put it off to the last possible minute
lmfaooooo@some Richmond supporters being eager to die.
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How come everyone seems really negative about picking up a recycled player??
Probably more cautious and a touch skeptical 11B11 rather than being negative. After 20+ years of watching poor recruiting decisions that does that to ya :-\. We've become pseudo-experts at spotting duds ;D.
By November 12 we'll have a better idea of who's available in the PSD. Hopefully someone may pop up from left field.
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Can i just say i think u all r awesome! :thumbsup Its great visualising other TRUE - PASSIONATE - REAL supporters!! There are richmond fans and richmond supporters and you guys are all definently the latter. Its great we are all striving for the one thing and that is success............. just thought id let u know how proud it is to be a richmond man wen u enter forums like this!
Well Done Everybody! ;D :thumbsup
Yours sincerely
11bowden11
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Can i just say i think u all r awesome! :thumbsup Its great visualising other TRUE - PASSIONATE - REAL supporters!! There are richmond fans and richmond supporters and you guys are all definently the latter. Its great we are all striving for the one thing and that is success............. just thought id let u know how proud it is to be a richmond man wen u enter forums like this!
Well Done Everybody! ;D :thumbsup
Yours sincerely
11bowden11
That is us...the mentally unstable....erm, I mean, the Richmond Supporters! :scream :lol :rollin :cheers :thumbsup
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Bizzell looks like staying as expected and putting his acting on hold :o. The Hun says we and the Pies were interested in him.
Sports Tonight and the Age say Caracella is leaving the Lions. Doesn't do our chances of offloading Zantuck much good :-\.
Caracella's decision is likely to place him at the centre of the draft/trade market and produce a flow-on effect that, for instance, could affect Ty Zantuck's chances of leaving Richmond. Essendon and the Roos each have been considering Zantuck, but neither can take both players.
Richmond is believed to be interested in recruiting another ruckman, such as Trent Knobel, in the pre-season draft and, after it, Hawthorn is not interested in recruiting a player of Caracella's age, while the Western Bulldogs are unlikely to have the money to participate in December. Collingwood is next with pick four.
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2004/11/08/1099781322498.html
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Can i just say i think u all r awesome! :thumbsup Its great visualising other TRUE - PASSIONATE - REAL supporters!! There are richmond fans and richmond supporters and you guys are all definently the latter. Its great we are all striving for the one thing and that is success............. just thought id let u know how proud it is to be a richmond man wen u enter forums like this!
Well Done Everybody! ;D :thumbsup
Yours sincerely
11bowden11
That is us...the mentally unstable....erm, I mean, the Richmond Supporters! :scream :lol :rollin :cheers :thumbsup
lol fwoy ;D.
Us Tiger supporters are often labelled as fickle and turning on our own (eg: Chaffey in 2004 - WP's golden turnip (turnup) recipient most weeks :lol) but to still have a fairly large base when most clubs would've buckled if they they experienced the last 20 years we've had and to achieve at 8% rise in memberships in a wooden spoon year under Spud that followed two previous crap years says alot about our passion and loyalty. We're still here and we ain't going away! :thumbsup
btw thanks for the kind words 11B11 :cheers
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Miler sead on sen last night we draft a ruckman and backman with our 2 PSD Picks.
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Miler sead on sen last night we draft a ruckman and backman with our 2 PSD Picks.
That would tie in with what a Hawthorn bloke said on SEN this morning when they were talking about the boardroom tussles at the Hawks with KB. It came across as he was almost certain Mark Graham would be a Tiger next year. A Richmond supporter then rang in saying Graham's an old dud :thumbsup as he turns 32 in March and we should stay clear of him and stick to youth. KB defended him harping back to his coaching days of saying you need older bodies when you have so many kids.
The ruckman sounds like it'll be Knobel.
If we use two PSD picks then that would mean we will be passing on our pick 60 unless Ty can find a new home which is looking more and more less likely.
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Hadley has re-signed with the Lions and Mooney with the Cats so that's another two not up for grabs.
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I reckon the way the " PSD Slim Pickings" are looking at the moment it will be either Knobel or McKee.
With Knobel it will come down to how much he wants and if we can offload Zantuck. Keep Zantuck and we wont be able to afford Knobel IMO.
McKee would be a cheap option.
Does anyone know if Notting from the Lions has re-signed?
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I am still of strong belief that Notting hasnt resigned. Although i would find it hard to believe that they wouldnt sign him but would sign Pike and White.,.......
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Does anyone know if Notting from the Lions has re-signed?
I don't believe so WP but I think the Lions expect him to.
Keating has just re-signed with them today so that's one less ruckman available. It's looking more and more like the weakest PSD ever :P.
Some Hawk supporter on BF reckons Graham has signed a 2-year deal with us :o ::).
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I thought we make a list of the likely nominees in the PSD so far (a couple may still end up first in the National draft):
Blake Caracella (Brisbane) [confirmed - $250K asking price]
Jarrad Schofield (Port Adelaide)
Cain Ackland (Port Adelaide)
Mark McGough (Collingwood)
Steve McKee (Collingwood)
Mark Graham (Hawthorn)
Trent Knobel (St Kilda)
Mark Porter (Kangaroos)
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LOL HT
Port have delisted Forster-Knight so we've moved back one spot to our original pick 36. Dew has re-signed with them.
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Grover could quit Freo
By MICHAEL PLACE
14nov04
Sunday Times (Perth)
FREMANTLE utility Antoni Grover could walk out on the club within a week.
Grover was offered a two-year deal by the Dockers last month but they have slashed his pay. He is considering nominating for the pre-season draft. It is believed Richmond and the Kangaroos have flagged interest in the 24-year-old.
His manager Wayne Loxley will meet with Grover when he returns from the AFL's indigenous camp tomorrow.
"He was offered a reduced contract and he has asked me to see if there was any interest from other clubs," Loxley said yesterday.
"There has been a positive response and I will be contacting a few more clubs tomorrow."
Grover said his preference was to remain at Fremantle, where he has played 75 games over six seasons.
"I'd love to stay there but it depends on what arises," Grover said.
"I'm pretty close to the Dockers boys and being a Perth boy it's a tough decision."
Grover said the contractual impasse had nothing to do with money.
" It's not just about money it's about opportunities and where I sit in life," he said. "I'll make up my mind within the next week."
Dockers football manager Steven Icke said he was hopeful Grover would remain at the club.
"We put an offer on the table and we'd like to see him stay," Icke said.
"We think he will given where we are at."
http://www.sundaytimes.news.com.au/...55E2762,00.html
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Grover's a HB flanker at 188cm so he doesn't fit in what we need. We need a KP backman. Given that I rather him anyday over someone like a 32 year old Graham who bascially plays the same position. Also has been reliably injury-free except for a broken hand towards the end of 2003 so he'll play most games. Here's his stats off the Freo site:
Antoni Grover
Guernsey Number: 14
Height 188cm
Weight: 91kg
Recruited From: Subiaco (WA)
Draft history: 1999 rookie elevation (Fremantle).
Debut: 1999
Date of Birth: 11 March 1980
ABOUT (2003)
Has missed only five games in the past two years, four of them late last season after breaking a hand. Has developed into a strong and steady half-back flanker who was one of the team’s best in the elimination final loss to Essendon. Solid in the air and provides regular drive in a backline that has significantly improved.
Games K H M G B
18 133 80 78 2 3
Player Statistics - Antoni Grover (2004 Season)
Round Date vs. K H P M HO T FF FA G B
Round 3 11/04/2004 Adelaide 13 8 21 5 0 0 0 0 1 0
Round 4 18/04/2004 Collingwood 14 2 16 8 0 2 1 1 0 1
Round 5 25/04/2004 Geelong 9 8 17 2 0 1 1 0 0 0
Round 6 01/05/2004 West Coast 11 1 12 5 1 1 0 0 1 0
Round 7 08/05/2004 St Kilda 5 5 10 0 0 6 0 0 0 0
Round 8 16/05/2004 Hawthorn 8 4 12 5 0 3 0 0 0 0
Round 9 22/05/2004 Brisbane 11 4 15 4 0 1 0 0 0 1
Round 10 28/05/2004 Essendon 9 5 14 9 0 3 0 0 0 0
Round 11 06/06/2004 Melbourne 9 11 20 4 0 5 2 1 0 0
Round 12 13/06/2004 Richmond 6 2 8 2 0 2 1 0 0 0
Round 13 19/06/2004 Port Adel 3 3 6 2 0 5 0 0 1 0
Round 14 04/07/2004 W.Bulldogs 8 6 14 2 0 0 2 2 0 0
Round 15 10/07/2004 Kangaroos 8 2 10 2 0 1 4 0 1 0
Round 17 24/07/2004 Sydney 8 7 15 4 0 1 1 0 1 0
Round 18 31/07/2004 Carlton 9 7 16 2 0 2 0 1 0 0
Round 19 06/08/2004 Collingwood 3 2 5 0 0 4 0 0 0 0
Round 20 14/08/2004 Geelong 5 1 6 0 0 1 0 1 0 0
Round 22 28/08/2004 St Kilda 12 5 17 5 0 1 0 0 0 0
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By Jake Niall
realfooty.theage.com.au
November 16, 2004
While Richmond had expressed early interest in Knobel, the Tigers have dropped off the chase and are looking at other pre-season draft options, such as uncontracted Fremantle defender Antoni Grover, or even the best remaining untried talent.
The budget-conscious Tigers have all but ruled Knobel out - in part on financial grounds.
Knobel, who is out of contract, is set to place a modest price on his head before nominating for the pre-season draft.
Other ruckmen seeking new clubs, such as former Magpie Steve McKee, Port Adelaide's Cain Ackland and ex-Roo and Blue Mark Porter, will be available in Saturday's national draft.
Richmond, meanwhile, has turned its attention to other players, holding talks yesterday with Grover's management.
The Tigers intend to draft one recycled player in Saturday's draft, giving strong consideration to drafting a seasoned ruckman such as McKee, who is training at Punt Road, Ackland or Porter.
But, depending on what becomes available in the pre-season and who they select on Saturday, the Tigers will also consider using the first pick in the pre-season draft on the best untried teenager.
Richmond football director Greg Miller said the club would invite a handful of young players who weren't drafted this weekend to train at Punt Road, in the knowledge that the club had first choice in both the pre-season and rookie drafts.
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2004/11/15/1100384496332.html?oneclick=true
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Reading Miller's article in the Fighting Tiger, our dilemma with Ty is going to be the difference between who we can pick up.
Our choice in the PSD on December 14 is in the balance. We know that we can pay only above the minimum to a player if Ty Zantuck was to join another club.
Terry just said we're after a ruckman. Mentioned Knobel, Porter and McKee in that order.
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Pre-season draft: lifeline or deadline
By Jake Niall
The Age
December 2, 2004
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Meanwhile, ruckman Steve McKee is the frontrunner to be selected first by Richmond in the draft, for delisted and uncontracted players.
Richmond coach Terry Wallace has indicated he favours drafting a ruckman, and with ex-Saint Trent Knobel setting a price seemingly beyond the Tigers' range and bound for Carlton, McKee is now favoured to return to the club where his career began.
His worth might have been boosted by changes to the ruck rules, with the previous interpretation of the rules hurting his prospects at Collingwood last year and in 2004.
While McKee is the favourite to be selected by the Tigers, his return to Punt Road is not a fait accompli, since their decision could be influenced by whether they succeed in offloading disgruntled defender Ty Zantuck, who is carrying a hefty contract for 2005.
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2004/12/01/1101577553191.html?oneclick=true
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McKee craves return ticket
07 December 2004 Herald Sun
Rebecca Williams
FORMER Collingwood ruckman Steve McKee hopes his football career can swing full circle in next Tuesday's pre-season draft.
The 26-year-old has been training with Richmond for the past month, seeking a lifeline after being delisted by the Magpies.
McKee began his AFL career at Punt Rd and, seven years on, is eager to make a return to the Tigers.
Richmond, which has the first pick in the pre-season draft, has given McKee no assurances it will select him next week.
But McKee remains optimistic the invitation to train with Richmond will lead to another chance.
"(Coach) Terry (Wallace) spoke to me before and I might have a bit more of an idea towards the end of the week either way," McKee said yesterday.
"I've done what I can. I've just been a bit limited with how my body's feeling at the moment.
"Hopefully it will be enough, but if not we'll work that out from there.
"They're definitely interested otherwise they wouldn't have had me down here, otherwise I'd be wasting my time.
"There's been no promises so far, but there never is in footy. But I've been really impressed."
McKee made his debut with the Tigers in 1998 and, despite his time away from the club, said it had been easy to settle back in.
"There's probably about 10 blokes from when I was first here about five years ago, so it's probably been a little bit easier to get back in," he said.
McKee, whose manager also fielded interest from Carlton and St Kilda after his delisting, knew his time at Collingwood was up.
"I expected it because I didn't get much of a go this year," he said.
"But even knowing it was going to happen, it's still pretty sad when you've spent five years there and had such good mates there. You've just got to move on."
A niggling groin injury, which he has carried for the past two years, restricted McKee's workload at Richmond training yesterday afternoon.
But the 199cm ruckman said he still had plenty to offer, provided his body would allow it.
"The main thing is to get my body right," McKee said.
"If I can get my body right, I definitely think I can (offer a lot) on the field.
"But it's not really up to what I think, it's up to the coaches, so we'll wait and see if they agree with that."
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,11612257%255E20322,00.html
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The AFL has completed its examination of each club's Total Player Payment (TPP) estimates for the 2005 season in the lead-up to the National Bank's AFL Pre-Season Draft next Tuesday, December 14.
The AFL Investigations Department has determined that seven teams are eligible to participate -- Carlton, Collingwood, Essendon, Fremantle, Kangaroos, Port Adelaide and Richmond.
St Kilda was not eligible to participate on the basis of its TPP estimates while Adelaide, the Brisbane Lions, Geelong, Hawthorn, Melbourne, Sydney, West Coast and the Western Bulldogs already have full lists in place for the 2005 season.
As such, the full list of available selections to each club is as follows:
Round One
One -- Richmond
Two -- Collingwood
Three -- Carlton
Four -- Kangaroos
Five -- Fremantle
Six -- Essendon
Seven -- Port Adelaide
Round Two
Eight -- Richmond
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The Herald-Sun had us still considering Knobel but I still think we'll go for McKee given the possible ruck rule changes and pass on our 2nd pick.
So much for that silly rumour a while back trying to make out we were in breach of our TPP and would lose our picks ::).
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Welcome, former PRE'ender here who got banned for having an opinion, had this forum recommended to me.
I can't see why we would take Knobel, he is a No.1 ruckmen who can't do anything around the ground.
Simmonds was drafted to be our No.1 ruckmen, and he made it very clear in an article that he did not like it when he played only as a forward at Freo, and that he prefers to play in the ruck.
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TWO Picks!
I am going to hazard a guess
McKee
Rix
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Welcome Hammerfire to OER
Maybe you could go to the ASL thread and other newbies here and tell us something about yourself
Enjoy!
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My only worry with McKee is that he appears to be injured at the moment...bit of worry when the season hasn't even started.
From all accounts Rix looks like he might be a good pick up.
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If this Rix guy is a little older than a TAC player, then why even bother taking McKee.
We are better off taking someone like Jesse Smith or Kirby.
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My only worry with McKee is that he appears to be injured at the moment...bit of worry when the season hasn't even started.
Looks like the Club has the same thought bg25. Looks like we're going with Trent Knobel.
From Caro's Tiger faction article:
This column has devoted copious amounts of space to Greg Miller over the years and it is fitting as the year draws to a close that we do so again as football's popular and charismatic wheeler-dealer puts the finishing touches on yet another deal.
..the Richmond football boss of two years has finally offloaded the problematic Ty Zantuck and looks to have picked up another ruckman, Trent Knobel, in the process.
Miller has convinced Casey that the Tigers can afford the 24-year-old former Saint at a base of around $160,000 and potentially $210,000 depending on the number of senior games he plays next year....
Subject to AFL approval, Knobel will join Richmond via its first pick in the pre-season draft thanks to some freed-up funds that have emerged via a sweetheart deal between the Tigers, Zantuck and the AFL - although the relationship between the first two parties has been anything but sweet. Knobel is a risk but a significantly better proposition than Steve McKee and his problematic groin. McKee was reportedly told on Friday he would not be returning to Tigerland.
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Draft gloom for McKee
The Australian
December 12, 2004
RICHMOND has told former Collingwood ruckman Steve McKee it will not select him in the pre-season draft and is seeking clarification with the league about fitting Trent Knobel's contract into its AFL-approved budget.
The club told McKee yesterday it did not feel his troublesome groin could stand up to the rigours of the AFL and it would look elsewhere in Tuesday's draft.
The Tigers expect an AFL decision by tomorrow, which would clear the way for them to draft Knobel to the last spot on their list.
The club is well within the salary cap, but after the AFL had its accountants scrutinise its vastly scaled-back projections for 2005 it is keen to run any variations by the AFL.
Knobel has put a price on his head, but his two-year contact is only slightly above what the Tigers would have paid McKee.
If, as expected, the AFL approves Richmond's offer to sign Knobel for two years, it will swoop in before Carlton, which has flagged its intention of drafting the former Lion and Saint.
The Tiger move leaves McKee in limbo, with the majority of clubs having pledged to sign particular players.
With first selection in Tuesday's rookie list, Richmond is expected to take Ruory Kirkby, a key position player from Echuca desperately unlucky to be overlooked in the national draft.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,11661323%255E23211,00.html
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With first selection in Tuesday's rookie list, Richmond is expected to take Ruory Kirkby, a key position player from Echuca desperately unlucky to be overlooked in the national draft.
Good rookie list pick up Tiges if this is true. Obviously he's talented. Let's hope he's still one more growth spurt left in him, grows another inch and ends up as another possible KPP for us. What a huge bargin that would be.
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Ruory Kirkby
Details:
Club: Echuca/Bendigo
DOB: 2 April 1986 Hgt: 192cm Wgt: 81kg
Position: Centre Half Forward/Centre Half Back
Natural Foot: Left
Honours:
Victoria Country 2004
All Australian 2004
Back Pocket in TAC Cup Team of the Year 2004
National Draft Camp 2004
TAC Stats:
2004: 10 games, 1 goal, 12.1 PPG
Strengths: Kirkby has been one of the surprise packets of 2004, going from his local side Echuca in April to All-Australian selection in July. He is a very slight key position player who has done well at centre-half back and centre-half forward. Ruory has exceptional foot skills for a big man, can nail targets very well. Is a good mark and usually a good set shot, and can also kick goals on the run.
He really stepped up at the Carnival, doing a good job in defence on Ryan Willits and excelling at centre-half forward in the other two matches.
Weaknesses: Kirkby still needs to add a lot of weight to his frame before he can play AFL. There might be a question mark over whether his carnival was just a flash in the pan, and he still needs to work on his ability below his knees. Not that quick off the mark.
Footydraft.com comment: Bit of a gamble taking him early based on a few good months, but there is plenty to work with. It would be understandable if he slipped down the order a bit because clubs might not have seen enough good performances.
http://www.footydraft.com/players.php?player=ruory_kirkby&dr=n
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IT IS a day where dreams are made and lost for hundreds of aspiring footballers.
The 2004 AFL National Draft is arguably the most important time for club recruiting officers and coaches.
But it is definitely the most important day for Echuca youngster Ruory Kirkby, who has been touted to become a Richmond Tiger today. As he prepared for his year 12 formal yesterday, Kirkby said the nerves were just starting to kick in.
"Having something on tonight will help a lot, but I am just looking forward to tomorrow and waiting to see what happens," he said.
Kirkby said he had spoken to Adelaide, Richmond and Hawthorn in the past week and was hopeful something would come out of it.
"You never know," he said.
"I am hopeful, but there are also a lot of other good players in the mix." A barbecue with a group of friends is how Kirkby will spend the day as we waits for the phone call of a lifetime.
"With no telecast the only way to listen to the draft live is through SEN radio," he said.
"We have tried to get it at home, but there is a lot of static.
"Other than that I will just have to wait for a phone call." Should the 18-year-old's dream come true, it will be a fairytale ending to 2004 for the Bendigo Pioneer.
Kirkby started this season slowly, before a turning point in his career captured the attention of AFL scouts.
At the under-18 national championships, Kirkby played outside of his normal role as a defender with the Pioneers.
He relished the spent time up forward capping off the tournament with selection in the All-Australian team.
Bendigo Pioneers regional manager Ray Byrne said Kirby had all the attributes required to play at the highest level.
"He was impressive at the draft camp and I would be disappointed if Ruory was not picked up today," Byrne said.
"He is a strong mark and once he grows a bit more he will develop into a fine player." Kirkby stands at 192 cm and weighs 80 kg.
Should he find himself in a black and yellow jumper after today it will continue an incredible run for the township of Echuca.
West Coast Eagle Michael Braun was drafted from the town in 1996, while Andrew Walker, now at Carlton, was the second overall selection in last year's draft.
Other Bendigo Pioneers to attend the draft camp were Sam Barnes, Tim Hill and Travis Baird.
Byrne said all three players rated highly and stood a good chance of being drafted.
Bendigo Bank Bomber Simon Rosa will also be waiting anxiously to see if brother Matt is one of the lucky ones.
Matt played for North Ballarat in the TAC Cup last season.
http://bendigo.yourguide.com.au/detail.asp?class=sport&subclass=local&category=general%20sport&story_id=352017&m=11&y=2004
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I read somewhere today (I am sure it is one of these articles) that we will only be using one pick in the rookie draft - thatmeans carrying 2 rookies in 2005.
They have a total footy department budget that they intend to stick to. I'd like more rookies but I understand the thinking.
I actaully think we have used our rookie list well in the last couple of seasons - the way we handled Kel Moore was a credit to the Club :thumbsup IMO that's how the rookie list should be used
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I caught a glimpse of some guy the had on SEN talking about the rookie draft. He mentioned from statistics that AFL clubs use the success rate of rookies making it after the first 2 rookie draft picks is very poor. Maybe that's our thinking.
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I read somewhere today (I am sure it is one of these articles) that we will only be using one pick in the rookie draft - that means carrying 2 rookies in 2005.
Magpie loyalty fades to a roar
12 December 2004
Sunday Herald Sun
By JACKIE EPSTEIN
IT took about 15 minutes for Ruory Kirkby's disappointment to subside on national draft day. Three weeks ago the key position player was surprisingly overlooked by all 16 clubs after being tipped by many as a first-round selection.
But soon after Kirkby received a call from Richmond football director Greg Miller inviting him to train with the Tigers.
"The initial thinking was disappointment, but after you get over that there's always other avenues to take," Kirkby, 18, said.
"You just realise there are other options and hopefully they can come through.
"Richmond is in a rebuilding stage, like Hawthorn and like St Kilda were a few years ago, so I think they've got a lot of things to look forward to."
Kirkby had no hesitation making the move from Echuca and has been living with Miller and his family.
His father, Ivan, said it did not take long for Ruory's confidence to return.
"After the disappointment of the draft he's just hoping to get back into the system," Ivan said.
"He's fairly resilient and got over it fairly quickly. He wants people to know he's worth a punt."
Ruory said it was daunting at first, but he has adapted to the Tigers' demanding pre-season schedule.
He hopes to be picked up with one of the club's two selections in Tuesday's pre-season draft.
Failing that, there is one spot available on the rookie list.
"It would be good not to miss out again," Kirkby said.
"I haven't really thought about it much at the moment and I'm just trying to train as best I can and put myself in a strong position to impress them.
"Even if it doesn't happen, there are still other options for me to take in VFL or interstate. Even so, it's not all over."
Kirkby played for Victoria Country in the national under-18 championships and earned All-Australian honours.
He can play in defence or forward, but was not a standout performer at the draft camp.
AFL talent manager Kevin Sheehan said it was unpredictable on draft day, with each club forming different views.
"There's always a surprise and he was one of them," Sheehan said.
"He might have been the next player on some clubs' lists. He's had the benefit now of training for a few weeks, so that becomes a positive for Richmond to get to know him.
"He's one of 100 who joined clubs in the pre-season."
A strong motivation for Kirkby, a Collingwood fan, is trying to prove the recruiters wrong.
"No one really told me why," Kirkby said. "But I think they got the notion -- I don't know if this is true -- that I wasn't athletic enough.
"Some clubs, when it came to their choice, overlooked me because they thought I wasn't athletic enough, but I couldn't have really put my hand any higher with all the achievements . . . over the last year.
"I'll say it's their loss. Hopefully, I'll prove them wrong and it just makes you think how much more you want it."
Miller said Kirkby had done everything asked of him and was one of six young players the club was looking at.
"He came down from Echuca hoping to be picked up," Miller said.
"He was an All-Australian and it was a surprise he wasn't picked up in the national draft.
"He's given it his best shot. We have some quality kids trying out with us."
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,11661664%255E19742,00.html
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Has this Knobel dude put a price on his head - I would not be prepared to give him any more than minimum wage and let him prove himself - otherwise he seems to be acting like another nottens.
Even though as I have confessed before I really dont give to much of a poo about other sides these days so dont watch real closely.
Whats he worth ?
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He hopes to be picked up with one of the club's two selections in Tuesday's pre-season draft.
Failing that, there is one spot available on the rookie list.
I knew I saw it :rollin
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Anyone know what The Prize has been doing training wise?
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Anyone know what The Prize has been doing training wise?
He has been training with the Blues for the last 4 weeks or so.
He isnt a world beater but i think he is a far better option than McKee.
Knobel atleast has scope to improve and more age on his side.
:thumbsup to Miller again.
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Has this Knobel dude put a price on his head - I would not be prepared to give him any more than minimum wage and let him prove himself - otherwise he seems to be acting like another nottens.
Even though as I have confessed before I really dont give to much of a poohe about other sides these days so dont watch real closely.
Whats he worth ?
Knobel is a tap ruckman (a competitive rather than a dominant one) and that's about it. Not one for possessions around the ground during his time with the Saints.
He'll apparently be on $160-210K depending on how many senior games he plays.
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Just looking at his stats on AFL.com.au, he suprisingly takes around 3 marks a game and has taken up to 7 marks in a game this year.
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To be totally honest I cant see anyone in the draft getting a guernsey in the side - Big statement for a side that finished last I know :gobdrop -
Would rather the club save the $$$ instead of spending just for the sake of it. Maybe rookie list someone but that would be it IMO :cheers
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You must mean of the players we can take. Caracella and Schofield would be walk-up starts.
We have to take a ruckman because we haven't got one ready to play after Stafford and Simmonds. King and Everitt last season toyed with Ray Hall, and from memory, Schulz as well. Nothing more than token resistance and more likely to be badly hurt than have an effect.
I'm still dumbfounded that Marsh wasn't played when Ottens and Stafford were both out. He may have been considered a dud but it's what he was recruited for. At least he was big enough to compete.
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Anyone know why we didn't pick Kirkby and who we did pick in the rookie.
Why would Miller have the kid living with him and training at the club if we weren't going for him.
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Anyone know why we didn't pick Kirkby and who we did pick in the rookie.
Why would Miller have the kid living with him and training at the club if we weren't going for him.
Draft hasn't happened yet Moi Moi - 10.00am this morning :thumbsup
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They had Kirkby's manager on Sen this morning, and he said RFC weren't picking him up.
He siad they were going for Knobel and had another kid as their rookie.
I guess you're right, wait till 10am and find out for sure :-)
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Pre-season draft selections
1. Richmond - Knobel
2. Pies - Caracella
3. Blues - Betts
4. Roos - Piacione
5. Freo - Schofield
6. Ess - Zantuck
7. Port - Ware
8. Richmond - Pass
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Rookies ?
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Rookies ?
No mention of the rookies yet. There's no coverage on the AFL site ??? or on SEN. SEN and 3aw just read out the names.
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We picked up Will Thursfield in the rookie
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We picked up Will Thursfield in the rookie
Hmmm any idea who took Kirkby Moi?
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No WP, i just rang the club and asked for who we got!
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From Footydraft.com
Will Thursfield
Details:
Club: Ormond/Sandringham
DOB: 19 April 1986 Hgt: 190cm Wgt: 75kg
Position: Full Back
Natural Foot: Right
Honours:
National Draft Camp 2004
TAC Stats:
2004: 20 games, 4 goals, 12.2 PPG
Strengths: Will is a very athletic defender with plenty of promise. He has a huge leap on him and is capable of the spectacular mark. He likes to carry the ball out of defence and has good pace for his size.
Thursfield only joined the Dragons this year from Brighton Grammar and was captain of the school athletics team. He is also a long kick.
Weaknesses: Still fairly raw and can get lost on the field at times. Will sometimes try and mark from behind rather than punching. TAC Cup form was solid but nothing special.
Footydraft.com comment: It wouldn't surprise at all if Thursfield was drafted - clubs love pacy tall athletes like him. Would require a fair bit of work if he was to make it but would be well worth the punt.
http://www.footydraft.com/players.php?player=will_thursfield&dr=n
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Can someone copy and paste the entire rookie draft when it gets on AFL.com - I can't access the damn site.
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Knobel now a Tiger
10:17:04 AM Tue 14 December, 2004
Paul Gough
Sportal
Richmond has chosen former St Kilda ruckman Trent Knobel with the first pick at Tuesday's National Bank's AFL Pre-Season Draft.
Knobel had been training with Carlton since being delisted by the Saints, but the Tigers swooped on him first in a bid for more ruck support for Greg Stafford and Troy Simmonds.
Collingwood, as expected, selected former Bomber and Brisbane Lions premiership player Blake Caracella with pick two,
There was a surprise with pick three, with Carlton selecting Calder cannons goalsneak Eddie Betts, who was considered unlucky to be overlooked at the national draft last month.
Carlton had been expected to take an experienced player but instead went the for the exciring Betts.
The Kangaroos chose former Hawk Lance Picioane with pick four while Port Adelaide premiership player Jarrad Schofield went to Fremantle with pick five.
This allowed Essendon to swoop on former Richmond defender Ty Zantuck, at pick six after the Bombers narrowly failed to secure him during the October trading period.
Essendon had reportedly been interested in its former premiership player Justin Blumfield, but his career now looks over, after not the Bombers but also Port Adelaide at pick seven overlooked him.
Port instead chose Elijah Ware, from Central Districts in the SANFL, while Richmond passed with the eighth and final selection.
http://richmondfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=180549
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Can someone copy and paste the entire rookie draft when it gets on AFL.com - I can't access the damn site.
Will do HarryH - if they ever bother to put it up :banghead
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National Bank's AFL Rookie Draft selections
10:46:50 AM Tue 14 December, 2004
Sportal
Round One
Selection Club Player Club
1 Richmond Will Thursfield Sandringham Pioneers
2 Hawthorn Ruory Kirkby Bendigo Pioneers
3 Western Bulldogs Rowan Nayna Dandenong Stingrays
4 Collingwood Benjamin Davies Western Jets
5 Adelaide Ryan Nye Peel Thunder
6 Carlton Daniel Batson North Ballarat Rebels
7 Kangaroos Joshua Gibson Port Melbourne
8 Fremantle Joseph Kriger Sandringham Dragons
9 West Coast Benjamin Sharp Oakleigh Chargers
10 Melbourne Brendan Vanschaik Murray Bushrangers
11 Essendon Ryan Bain Essendon
12 Sydney GuyCampbell Bendigo Diggers
13 Geelong Jarrod Garth Tassie mariners
14 St Kilda Luke Mullins Collingwood
15 Brisbane Lions Travis Baird Bendigo Pioneers
16 Port Adelaide Danyle Pearce Sturt
Round Two
17 Richmond pass
18 Hawthorn Clinton Young North Ballarat Rebels
19 Western Bulldogs Dale Morris Werribee
20 Collingwood Heritier O'Brien Claremont
21 Adelaide Jonathon Griffin East Fremantle
22 Carlton Jesse D. Smith Calder Cannons
23 Kangaroos Josh Thewlis Kangaroos
24 Fremantle Jack Juniper Glenelg
25 West Coast Beau Wilkes Claremont
26 Melbourne Matthew Warnock Sandringham VFL
27 Essendon Ben Jolley Calder Cannons
28 Sydney Luke Vogels Terang
29 Geelong Nick Batchelor Norwood
30 St Kilda Ed McDonnell Western Magpies
31 Brisbane Lions pass
32 Port Adelaide Rob Forster-Knight Port Adelaide
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Round Three
33 Richmond pass
34 Hawthorn Thomas Wilday Perth
35 Western Bulldogs pass
35 Adelaide John Hinge Glenelg
37 Carlton Nick Becker Calder Cannons
38 Kangaroos Scott McMahon Woodville-West Torrens
39 Fremantle Ryan Crowley Fremantle
40 West Coast Ashley Thornton Peel Thunder
41 Melbourne pass
42 Sydney Heatht Grundy Norwood
43 Geelong Tim Sheringham Geelong Falcons
44 St Kilda pass
45 Brisbane Lions pass
46 Port Adelaide pass
Round Four
47 Richmond pass
48 Hawthorn Kristan Height Box Hill Hawks
49 Western Bulldogs
50 Carlton Aisake O'hAilpin Ireland
51 Kangaroos Justin Perkins Perth
52 West Coast Aaron Edwards West Coast
53 Melbourne pass
54 Sydney Stefan garubba Dandenong Stingrays
55 St Kilda pass
56 Brisbane Lions pass
Round Five
57 Kangaroos pass
58 Melbourne pass
59 Sydney Earl Shaw Campbelltown
60 Brisbane Lions Josh Drummond Northern Eagles
Round Six
61 Sydney Ed Clarke North Shore
62 Brisbane Lions Marcus Allan Northern Eagles
Round Seven
63 Sydney Andrew Hayes Balmain
64 Brisbane Lions William Hamill Mt Gravatt
Round Eight
65 Brisbane Lions Martin Pask Western Magpies
Round Nine
66 Brisbane Lions Scott Harding Morningside
http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=180560
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WTF ?
Sydney and Brisbane pick up 6-7 rookies and we only get 1.
:banghead
We need to get better at this because getting a rookie is virtually the same as getting a kid at pick 40+, as there is a risk in development in both. Therefore the more rookies you have the more chance you have of finding that player that will develop into a good player.
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Well i am a bit suprised that we only picked up 1 rookie, but before I get disappointed over it perhaps there is a logical reason behind it?
personally i wouldnt have a clue what it is LOL maybe the club werent too interested in the remaining talent, figured they let some other club nuture them? afterall we probably will get the high draft picks at the 2005 national draft and we have a tonne of kids as it is?
who knows but still strange that we would choose this path.
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It'll be very interesting when we meet the bombers next year with Zantuck coming face to face with the players he put offside. Wonder how our senior players in Campbell and Johnson will handle this as Zantuck won't take a backward step.
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WTF ?
Sydney and Brisbane pick up 6-7 rookies and we only get 1.
:banghead
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Sydney and Brisbane get to reserve NSW and Qld players before the draft. They are listed but I don't believe they have been picked up.
If you check the picks in the rounds you'll see Brisbane passed in rounds 2 & 3. I think this means they only drafted one rookie and that was in round 1.
Not 100% on how it works. Maybe someone who understands it better than me can better explain it.
Maybe the "reserved" players are drafted but as some kind of concession with late round picks so that early rounds can be used on players from other states. ( ???)
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WTF ?
Sydney and Brisbane pick up 6-7 rookies and we only get 1.
:banghead
It is like FF said.
The Swans & Lions are allowed up to 9 rookies. Of the 9 a certain number must be local players. If you look at their selections in round 6,7,8 & 9 they are all local kids. I have been told that they must utilise these "concessional" rookie draft picks.
Well i am a bit suprised that we only picked up 1 rookie, but before I get disappointed over it perhaps there is a logical reason behind it?
The logical reason is financial and keeping within the Footy Dept budget for 2005 - having 2 rookies in 2005; it is all we could afford.
There has been a lot of talk over recent weeks (so I've been told ;D :rollin) that our Footy Dept over spent in 2004 and the same thing will not happen in 2005. :thumbsup
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I am surprised we didn't get Kirkby after all the talk about him training with us.
And who is this Rix that they keep on about on Bigfooty?
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Thursfield the pick of 51 rookies
1:49:12 PM Tue 14 December, 2004
Matt Burgan
Sportal
A total of 51 youngsters ranging from 18 to 23 years old have been drafted onto AFL rookie lists in the lead up to the 2005 season after the final draft of the season was held at Telstra Dome on Tuesday.
The rookie draft, which began in 1997, has become an important part of the drafting jigsaw puzzle, as it gives youngsters who had been overlooked in last month's draft, an opportunity to develop an AFL career.
Will Thursfield, a tall defender/forward from the Sandringham Dragons, was the first player selected in the rookie draft, after being overlooked in November.
A National Bank's AFL Draft Camp attendee this year, Thursfield was selected by Richmond, who opted to take just one rookie.
The Hawks had the second pick in the draft and selected key defender/forward Ruory Kirkby, who was arguably the biggest non-selected player surprise of the November draft.
But Hawthorn recruiting manager Gary Buckenara said the club was rapt to gain Kirkby's services.
"We were surprised he wasn't picked up in the National Draft. We probably rated him in the top 30 - our people," Buckenara said.
"We had a ruckman (Simon Taylor) picked out at pick 53 (in the November draft), so we overlooked him there, but the fact that he went through to the rookie draft, we were sure Richmond would take him and he slipped through to pick two for us, so we're delighted."
Former Collingwood midfielder Luke Mullins was drafted by St Kilda and ex-Swan Josh Thewlis was snapped up by the Kangaroos, while Robert Forster-Knight and Ryan Crowley were redrafted by Port Adelaide and Fremantle respectively.
West Coast also redrafted rookie Aaron Edwards, while the Brisbane Lions also added Josh Drummond back onto the rookie list.
Other players who were strongly tipped to be selected in the November draft, yet were bypassed and subsequently taken in the rookie draft included: Rowan Nayna (Western Bulldogs), Ryan Nye (Adelaide), Ben Sharp (West Coast), Ryan Bain (Essendon), Danyle Pearce (Port Adelaide), Jesse D Smith (Carlton), Beau Wilkes (West Coast), Nick Becker (Carlton) and Heath Grundy (Sydney).
A total of 15 selections were passed over and therefore will not be utilised in 2005.
http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=180632
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I am surprised we didn't get Kirkby after all the talk about him training with us.
Yeah so was I. Maybe having Kirkby down at training brought into focus his deficiencies.
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I am surprised we didn't get Kirkby after all the talk about him training with us.
Yeah so was I. Maybe having Kirkby down at training brought into focus his deficiencies.
Well knowone can accuse the coaches of not having a close look at him obviously Will Thursfield was more impressive at training.
How long did we sign Knobel for? IMO he is a dud, but I am often wrong and I hope I am again.
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How long did we sign Knobel for?
2 years I believe.
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Knobel to be given chance to shine
5:45:19 PM Tue 14 December, 2004
Paul Gough
Sportal
Richmond coach Terry Wallace says new recruit Trent Knobel will be given the opportunity to become the club's new number one ruckman after the Tigers secured the former Lion and Saints big man ahead of Carlton on Tuesday.
Knobel had been training with the Blues since quitting the Saints but was the first player chosen in Tuesday's pre-season draft by the 2004 wooden spooners, while the Blues' first pick did not come until pick three.
The 24-year-old played 13 games with Brisbane in 2001-01 and then 40 games with the Saints in the past three years and now joins a club already boasting two other ruckmen in Greg Stafford and ex-Docker Troy Simmonds.
However Wallace said he saw Knobel as being capable of holding down the ruck, allowing Stafford and Simmonds to play in attack alongside the Tigers' champion spearhead Matthew Richardson.
"We saw Trent as being the best player in the draft and that's why we went after him,' Wallace said.
"In the past we have been light on in the ruck - Ray Hall played a bit there last year - and with Greg Stafford coming on in years we think Trent can add strength for us in that area."
"We've got Trent to play in the ruck - that is his best position and that's where he will be given an opportunity."
"And we've also got Troy Simmonds who can ruck and play as a key forward so it gives us more flexibility and Troy's ability to play up forward alongside Richardson makes us stronger than what we were 12 months ago."
Knobel said he has no qualms about joining the Tigers, even though his entire pre-season training campaign to date has been done with Carlton.
"It's all happened pretty quickly but I am just very happy to be able to play AFL again next year," he said.
"I was training down at Carlton and I am very grateful for them giving me the chance but I knew Richmond had the number one pick and I am very happy to call Richmond home."
And Knobel added he had no concerns over leaving a St Kilda side that was just one kick away from a grand final appearance this year for a side that is on the bottom of the ladder.
"It's actually the second time I've done that," he said.
"I left Brisbane after they won their first premiership and went to St Kilda (at a time when the Saints were 15th on the ladder).
"But I've got no bitterness towards St Kilda, I had three good years there and I think St Kilda will be successful."
"But I have no doubt Richmond will be too if you look at the players they have got now."
http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=180710
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Richmond coach Terry Wallace says new recruit Trent Knobel will be given the opportunity to become the club's new number one ruckman
That's interesting as Simmonds came over because he wanted to spend more time in the ruck. I'd guess competition for spots is a good thing.
Simmonds, Stafford, Knobel (and Hall can play as follower around the ground). Not a bad ruck division. Chuck in Richo at HF and our ruck and key forward positions have been covered in one off-season.
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How long did we sign Knobel for?
2 years I believe.
:gobdrop 2 years - shouild have been 1 - I am with you HT :scream
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National Bank's AFL Rookie Draft selections
10:46:50 AM Tue 14 December, 2004
Sportal
Round One
1 Richmond Will Thursfield Sandringham Pioneers
2 Hawthorn Ruory Kirkby Bendigo Pioneers
Well it appears Miller and Wallace did their homework last year with Thursty ending up promoted onto our seniors list while Kirkby was delisted today off the Hawks' rookie list after just one year.