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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on January 18, 2010, 12:18:05 PM
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What are your expectations for Connors in 2010 and what would be a good year for him?
Career so far:
Games Disposals Marks Tackles G.B
2007: 4 13.8 5.0 0.5 0.1
2008: 4 14.3 5.5 1.8 5.3
2009: 2 7.0 4.0 0.5 1.0
http://finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=1780&SeasonID=ALL
At Coburg 2009: 10 matches for 7 goals. Twice named in bests. --- VFL stats link (http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?player=Daniel%20Connors&action=PSTATS&pID=188159717&client=1-118-10471-0-9815591)
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I would like him to regain the stats he had in 2008 but at least 15 games if not the whole season.
The boy has the goods and i think he will be one of hardwicks favorites as i see him as a similar type of player.
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IMO this kid has got what it takes and we have seen glimpses of his "potential". Unfortunately injuries have hampered his career to date and this will be the first time he has actually completed a full pre season, if I am not mistaken.
I would really expect him to have an impact this year, lets just hope he can sort out his, apparent attitude. He is a hard nut, hard at the ball, good skills and he can take a great mark. He is also a goal kicker and he is not scared to take on the opposition.
Connors could turn out to be the big revelation of the season so long as he can join the dots together, I think Hardwick will give him the chance and it's up to him to take it.
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A good attitude and 15-20 games.
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All I want is for him to string a few consecutive games together to see if he can live up to his reported potential. I too have seen glimpses of talent but I have no idea if he will be a consistent performer. If injuries trouble him this year then its bye bye for mine once his contract expires.
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This is his 4th year - it's absolute make or break. Either he steps up significantly or he is gone. A couple of flashes is all we have to go on, injured or not, and with a new broom not scared of making as many changes as are necessary then he has 2 very simple choices - shape up or he will be shipped out. I hope he does step up and make it (as I do for every single recruit we get) but we gave JON and Meyer 4 years each and we were screaming for their heads a long time before they eventually went - Connors has done no more than either of them.
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It's his last chance.
I have no expectations for him after the past couple of years.
I hope this year he can show me why I should have expectations about him beyond a flash or two of potential.
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Connors was lazy and soft at times from reports at Coburg matches. Needs to get himself fit and work hard and play at least 10 games next season.
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nothing ... delisted 31/10/2010.
:)
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Connors was lazy and soft at times from reports at Coburg matches. Needs to get himself fit and work hard and play at least 10 games next season.
Would need to play more than 10 I would think Davey, unless injury halted a run of good games. Of the younger players, he is the one sitting in the hottest seat this year.
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This is his 4th year - it's absolute make or break. Either he steps up significantly or he is gone. A couple of flashes is all we have to go on, injured or not, and with a new broom not scared of making as many changes as are necessary then he has 2 very simple choices - shape up or he will be shipped out. I hope he does step up and make it (as I do for every single recruit we get) but we gave JON and Meyer 4 years each and we were screaming for their heads a long time before they eventually went - Connors has done no more than either of them.
Ditto :thumbsup
Needs to get above the shoulders right first, the talent is there, it is the application that's the issue IMHO
His injuries cannot be used as excuse because compared to what others have had his have been relatively minor
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to be delisted
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Connors = RFC for the last 30 years
delist now and spare us watching this fool at Coburg
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Just needs to become more unselfish and team orientated. He is more likely to try and attempt the spectacular and look for glory than help a team-mate improve the odds. Connors needs to mature and learn to make the right decisions and the right times. At training he was able to lead his team to think laterally and break through the zone by hand so his non conformist personality can be a great asset if Hardwick can learn how to control it.
Hope he can play 15 games and cement a place in the team.
Stripes
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Well Connors seems to have had more people getting on his back then Polo did. Now you can use stats and games played all you like but if Connors can get it together he will be of more value to the team than Polo IMO.
Connors has more flair to his game, he is bigger, better skilled and he is from what I have seen, prepared to take the game on. Yes he was injured and yes this is his first pre-season and IMO look out Polo.
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This is his 4th year - it's absolute make or break. Either he steps up significantly or he is gone.
I am a fan but agree with this. I found Connors 2009 very disappointing.
I am annoyed to read he's been back in the rehab group again of late because if anyone needs an uninterrupted pre season to make the most of his abilities it's Dan Connors. Prior to just recently the reports have been promising re his fitness but he really needs to get fair dinkum about his career. It's now or never.
If he bludges, I expect Hardwick will move him on pretty quick just as we have seen some of his peers punted at the end of 2009.
I expect 15 games. Big year coming up.
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Well Connors seems to have had more people getting on his back then Polo did. Now you can use stats and games played all you like but if Connors can get it together he will be of more value to the team than Polo IMO.
Connors has more flair to his game, he is bigger, better skilled and he is from what I have seen, prepared to take the game on. Yes he was injured and yes this is his first pre-season and IMO look out Polo.
Connors isn't bigger than Polo and is hardly better skilled. Dan's foot skills aren't that special, it's his footy smarts and like you said, flair to his game that he has as strengths. Polo has had more injuries in his time at Richmond than Connors, too. Why should Polo be worried about Connors? They don't play the same role. Actually, Polo played twice as many games this season than what Dan has in his whole career.
Connors have this season to show something or he's just another talented play who couldn't get his poo together.
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I agree with most people here....Its a case of "Sink or swim" this year for Dan.
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Well Connors seems to have had more people getting on his back then Polo did. Now you can use stats and games played all you like but if Connors can get it together he will be of more value to the team than Polo IMO.
Connors has more flair to his game, he is bigger, better skilled and he is from what I have seen, prepared to take the game on. Yes he was injured and yes this is his first pre-season and IMO look out Polo.
Connors have this season to show something or he's just another talented play who couldn't get his poo together.
Likewise Polo IMO. Also Connors looked a lot bigger when I saw them standing next to each other live and don't forget that Connors was doing the extra training last year with Cotch and Reiwoldt pushing himself too far and unable to complete the pre season or start the season.
Look out Polo alright, where they played or where they can play means nothing to Harwick, they will play the role he wants them to play and IMO Connors could easily play Polos role.
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Connors has more flair to his game, he is bigger, better skilled and he is from what I have seen, prepared to take the game on. Yes he was injured and yes this is his first pre-season and IMO look out Polo.
With all due respect most of the time you would have seen Dan play is via the TV (not your fault obviously) but I have watched "live" many many times running arond for Coburg and one of the things you mention as his strength can actually be his biggest weakness and that is taking the game on. Too many times he does that instead of doing the team orientated things which may explain why he spends so much at Coburg ;D
For mine one of his biggest problems is his lack of defensive pressure. Doesn't chase enough IMHO or fight hard enough to keep the ball in his area....
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For mine one of his biggest problems is his lack of defensive pressure. Doesn't chase enough IMHO or fight hard enough to keep the ball in his area....
And I would put money on it that this will be Hardwick's #1 KPI.
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Connors has more flair to his game, he is bigger, better skilled and he is from what I have seen, prepared to take the game on. Yes he was injured and yes this is his first pre-season and IMO look out Polo.
With all due respect most of the time you would have seen Dan play is via the TV (not your fault obviously) but I have watched "live" many many times running arond for Coburg and one of the things you mention as his strength can actually be his biggest weakness and that is taking the game on. Too many times he does that instead of doing the team orientated things which may explain why he spends so much at Coburg ;D
For mine one of his biggest problems is his lack of defensive pressure. Doesn't chase enough IMHO or fight hard enough to keep the ball in his area....
Actually WP I meant "live" when I saw the both of them in the changerooms together and then again leaving to get on the bus and then in the change rooms again before the bounce, but thats my opinion of their size difference and they may have changed. and again this is a player like Polo this year, we will just have to wait and see how it pans out. I just think Connors has a lot to offer, but as I said in my first post it's up to him to choose whether or not he can play to his full potential.
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Actually WP I meant "live" when I saw the both of them in the changerooms together and then again leaving to get on the bus and then in the change rooms again before the bounce, but thats my opinion of their size difference and they may have changed.
Just for the record, Polo was 3cm taller and 1kg heavier last season. Actually, Polo is 187cm tall and I would never have guessed that.
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Actually WP I meant "live" when I saw the both of them in the changerooms together and then again leaving to get on the bus and then in the change rooms again before the bounce, but thats my opinion of their size difference and they may have changed.
Just for the record, Polo was 3cm taller and 1kg heavier last season. Actually, Polo is 187cm tall and I would never have guessed that.
No neither would I but Conors looks more muscular IMO.
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Actually WP I meant "live" when I saw the both of them in the changerooms together and then again leaving to get on the bus and then in the change rooms again before the bounce, but thats my opinion of their size difference and they may have changed.
Just for the record, Polo was 3cm taller and 1kg heavier last season. Actually, Polo is 187cm tall and I would never have guessed that.
No neither would I but Conors looks more muscular IMO.
rubbish, connors lack of conditioning is very dissapointing. He dosn't look muscled at all, has looked pudgy and soft for most of his time at richmnd. If he doesn't hit round 1 with some conditioning in his arms and upper body then hes a lazy prick as well to go with fat & unfit.
I'll be honest I have no time for this bloke
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Actually WP I meant "live" when I saw the both of them in the changerooms together and then again leaving to get on the bus and then in the change rooms again before the bounce, but thats my opinion of their size difference and they may have changed.
Just for the record, Polo was 3cm taller and 1kg heavier last season. Actually, Polo is 187cm tall and I would never have guessed that.
No neither would I but Conors looks more muscular IMO.
rubbish, connors lack of conditioning is very dissapointing. He dosn't look muscled at all, has looked pudgy and soft for most of his time at richmnd. If he doesn't hit round 1 with some conditioning in his arms and upper body then hes a lazy prick as well to go with fat & unfit.
I'll be honest I have no time for this bloke
Thats fine and thats YOUR OPINION, I like the guy , well the way he goes about it. Like I said when I saw him he was quite big and from a few training reports on various forums he has bulked up so believe what you will. Lets hope he can make it eh!! BTW how do you know he is a "fat lazy prick" as you say Just because he may not hit round one bigger.????
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ah dan connors to date has done very little. in fact hes living of the old potential tag.
4th yr he needs to show he belongs or he goes.
imo theres been to much lair and not rnough plain hard work.
chuck him to hb and lets see if that doesnt keep him switched on.
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Actually WP I meant "live" when I saw the both of them in the changerooms together and then again leaving to get on the bus and then in the change rooms again before the bounce, but thats my opinion of their size difference and they may have changed.
Just for the record, Polo was 3cm taller and 1kg heavier last season. Actually, Polo is 187cm tall and I would never have guessed that.
No neither would I but Conors looks more muscular IMO.
rubbish, connors lack of conditioning is very dissapointing. He dosn't look muscled at all, has looked pudgy and soft for most of his time at richmnd. If he doesn't hit round 1 with some conditioning in his arms and upper body then hes a lazy prick as well to go with fat & unfit.
I'll be honest I have no time for this bloke
Thats fine and thats YOUR OPINION, I like the guy , well the way he goes about it. Like I said when I saw him he was quite big and from a few training reports on various forums he has bulked up so believe what you will. Lets hope he can make it eh!! BTW how do you know he is a "fat lazy prick" as you say Just because he may not hit round one bigger.????
he's been in an afl environment for 4 preseasons now, if he still looks pudgy and soft come rnd 1 with barely any muscle definition i think thats pretty self exlanatory yes? I hope he makes it bc he has some flair, I'm just not a fan, think he's let himself and the cub down.
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Actually WP I meant "live" when I saw the both of them in the changerooms together and then again leaving to get on the bus and then in the change rooms again before the bounce, but thats my opinion of their size difference and they may have changed.
Just for the record, Polo was 3cm taller and 1kg heavier last season. Actually, Polo is 187cm tall and I would never have guessed that.
No neither would I but Conors looks more muscular IMO.
rubbish, connors lack of conditioning is very dissapointing. He dosn't look muscled at all, has looked pudgy and soft for most of his time at richmnd. If he doesn't hit round 1 with some conditioning in his arms and upper body then hes a lazy prick as well to go with fat & unfit.
I'll be honest I have no time for this bloke
Thats fine and thats YOUR OPINION, I like the guy , well the way he goes about it. Like I said when I saw him he was quite big and from a few training reports on various forums he has bulked up so believe what you will. Lets hope he can make it eh!! BTW how do you know he is a "fat lazy prick" as you say Just because he may not hit round one bigger.????
he's been in an afl environment for 4 preseasons now, if he still looks pudgy and soft come rnd 1 with barely any muscle definition i think thats pretty self exlanatory yes? I hope he makes it bc he has some flair, I'm just not a fan, think he's let himself and the cub down.
Totally agree that he has let himself and the club down, but lets hope he turns the corner because I think he can be an asset.
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he has diddly squat, needs to pull his head out of his backside and play to team rules and structures or out the door.
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Application.
Dedication.
Hard work ethic.
Consistency.
Has the talent but without the aforementioned just another player with potential.
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DC's biggest problem is he likes the party life tooooo much! Have seen him out way to many times for a bloke that needs to be doing everything right just to make it at AFL level.
Like a lot of players at Tigerland, nice guy but IMO has not got the dedication needed. He will realise what he had when it's gone.
Shame because i think he could have been something.
Also i agree with some other comments on his body not being where it should be after 4 years on the list. Just another example of his attitude i think.
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Also i agree with some other comments on his body not being where it should be after 4 years on the list. Just another example of his attitude i think.
Playing devil’s advocate.
Is he totally to blame here, should the club step in and speak to him about his life style or even more so is Wallace to blame somewhat. I know he has had injuries and a few games in between, but if he wasn’t either given the chance to play consistently or spoken to by Wallace about why he wasn’t getting chosen, when it has been documented that Wallace really didn’t communicate with a lot of the players, and that he needed to step up.
Surely that would have been detrimental to his attitude not just towards the club and playing football but his whole outlook on life.
Going one step further.
You have to wonder if what I have written above has any truth, and this is only MY opinion. How much of the under achievement of various players both on field as well as the lack physical size on our list have suffered from the same fate.
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hmm another slant. he was pick what 67 or so. what do we expect from pick 67 did he last to pick 67 for a reason.
how many picks in the 60s plus play 150 games. perhaps he is what he is and most of us including me have expectations that are too high.
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hmm another slant. he was pick what 67 or so. what do we expect from pick 67 did he last to pick 67 for a reason.
how many picks in the 60s plus play 150 games. perhaps he is what he is and most of us including me have expectations that are too high.
In a long winded way that is pretty much what I was getting at TC. I just felt it needed a little more clarification, even if it is just hypothetical. Or just a disillusioned fans reasoning.
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Your thoughts on Dan's 25-possie game?
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Your thoughts on Dan's 25-possie game?
Nah, dont judge him on possesions, which were short and sideways, his turnovers were terrible, and his handballs to teamates put them under more pressure,
These guys dont realise, you handball to RELEASE, not to put under pressure
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he played much better than many others
i think he will be ok
im not looking much into this game, hardwick knew we would get thumped, he warned us
hardwick used this game to give many a chance and we wont line up like that in rnd 1
hislop
white
thomson
rance
polak
wont be there come rnd one
the hawks didnt slow down in teh 4th, they wanted to demorilise us but we didnt fold, we won th elast and played better
its not gonna happen over night but it will happen
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Well I think he played pretty well, better than Polo anyway.
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Well I think he played pretty well, better than Polo anyway.
Did Polo play ?? :lol ::)
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jack although Polo wasnt robinson crusoe last night ,wasnt it a shocker by the boy....surely he didnt have more than a handfull of possies
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jack although Polo wasnt robinson crusoe last night ,wasnt it a shocker by the boy....surely he didnt have more than a handfull of possies
In all honesty Polo looked like a train wreck last night IMO, his decision making and skill level was.. ???. Everyone was saying how good he was going and how much better he was or is than Connors, well I know it's the first game but I did not see anything last night that proved that theory right. BTW Connors played played 100 times better than Polo last night, he had one horror turn ovr but other than that he was a shining light in a ....... you know.
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polo will be ok
why is everyone stressing
it was very obvious thi sgam ewas more an experiment for hardwick if anything else
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polo will be ok
why is everyone stressing
it was very obvious thi sgam ewas more an experiment for hardwick if anything else
Was the expression on his face in the coach's box an experiment as well, I think not. Look we all knew a win in this game was not likely but we hoped. What I did not want to see was an absolute shelacking or any injuries and guess what. Regarding Polo, he has had plenty of time to be ok, what we saw with him last night is about as good as it gets with him I am afraid, Edwards dito.
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Connors was decent.
I was saddened by Rance :(
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Connors was decent.
I was saddened by Rance :(
Ditto
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ah dan connors to date has done very little. in fact hes living of the old potential tag.
4th yr he needs to show he belongs or he goes.
imo theres been to much lair and not rnough plain hard work.
chuck him to hb and lets see if that doesnt keep him switched on.
ah seems to have done the trick. must admit a very astute poster over on pre a while ago put the notion in my head that connors needs to play hb.
had a good game did connors his ball use was mostly good as well.
polo sheesh some things just dont change. when will people wake up to this bloke.
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Oh well looks like I am not the only one to think Connors looked good, "USED IT PRETTY WELL UNDER PRESSURE". Where is Polo's name??
Richmond
Believe it or not, but there were positives to come out of this massacre. Daniel Connors won plenty of the ball, used it pretty well under pressure and finally looks ready to claim a place on a stuff. Draftee Dustin Martin is not only talented, but tough, and strong bodied – the Tigers will be hard-pressed to keep him out of the team, at least for the first half of the year. Up forward, Jack Riewoldt and Robin Nahas made the most of their chances when they came, David Astbury hit the ball hard up forward and David Gourdis showed some composure whilst battling against the odds in defence. The sobering reality is that it will take many more matches before this squad gels, and even then, they are inexperienced or deficient in so many areas that new coach Damien Hardwick must be cut a lot of slack. And if they persist with tough ball-winner Tom Hislop up forward, where his atrocious kicking was showcased on Saturday, ulcer medication will be needed before May.
Did not play: Ben Cousins, Nathan Foley, Daniel Jackson, Troy Simmonds, Will Thursfield, Troy Taylor, Jordan McMahon. But, outside of the first three, how many of those players will get a game, and make a big difference, come the regular season?
Next: NAB Challenge v loser of Geelong v North Melbourne, Saturday February 26, 4pm, Yea.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/nab-cup-round-one-the-washup-20100215-o1h2.html
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connors used it well , LOL
Just watched the tape,first 5 kicks were turnovers :banghead either missd the target completely or went straight to the opposition
Some people on here have no idea
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connors used it well , LOL
Just watched the tape,first 5 kicks were turnovers :banghead either missd the target completely or went straight to the opposition
Some people on here have no idea
Sorry Bruce Almighty, I didn't write the stuffing article but I do agree he did play well under pressure, yes he did turn the ball over just like 80% of the team but he still had a good game CONSIDERING!!!
You are right though some people on here do have no idea.. :wallywink
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connors used it well , LOL
Just watched the tape,first 5 kicks were turnovers :banghead either missd the target completely or went straight to the opposition
Some people on here have no idea
Sorry Bruce Almighty, I didn't write the effing article but I do agree he did play well under pressure, yes he did turn the ball over just like 80% of the team but he still had a good game CONSIDERING!!!
You are right though some people on here do have no idea.. :wallywink
And that is why the RFC are where they are.
They have ruckman who cannot mark or get near the ball.
The have defenders who continually turn the ball over by foot- Connors Rance etc.
Whats even more amazing is that they have this mind seat that Connors will take Raines old role ,LOL :banghead :banghead
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connors used it well , LOL
Just watched the tape,first 5 kicks were turnovers :banghead either missd the target completely or went straight to the opposition
Some people on here have no idea
Sorry Bruce Almighty, I didn't write the effing article but I do agree he did play well under pressure, yes he did turn the ball over just like 80% of the team but he still had a good game CONSIDERING!!!
You are right though some people on here do have no idea.. :wallywink
And that is why the RFC are where they are.
They have ruckman who cannot mark or get near the ball.
The have defenders who continually turn the ball over by foot- Connors Rance etc.
Whats even more amazing is that they have this mind seat that Connors will take Raines old role ,LOL :banghead :banghead
Well Jack when Connors had his good year or half year free from injury I can't remember his kicking being as bad as you describe. Please remember it is the first real hit out so give him a go, at least he found the ball, now go take some Panadol, your head must be pounding by now.. ::)
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connors used it well , LOL
Just watched the tape,first 5 kicks were turnovers :banghead either missd the target completely or went straight to the opposition
Some people on here have no idea
Sorry Bruce Almighty, I didn't write the effing article but I do agree he did play well under pressure, yes he did turn the ball over just like 80% of the team but he still had a good game CONSIDERING!!!
You are right though some people on here do have no idea.. :wallywink
yep he had a good game in anyones language, and yeah he turned it over a few times but in the main his kicking is sound very sound. and he used it well in the main.
will admit i had the blinkers on a bit with him in the first quarter.sometimes we all see what we want to see. not the first time ive been guilty of it and it wont be the last. he has talent we need to find a way to make sure he achieves his potential.
will also say though im not so blinkered as to think hes in a make or break season.the old potential tag can only take one so far.
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will admit i had the blinkers on a bit with him in the first quarter. sometimes we all see what we want to see.
Good to see a bit of sanity creep back in. Once most people make a call on a player, good or bad, they will then only ever see the things that back up their original judgment.
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will admit i had the blinkers on a bit with him in the first quarter. sometimes we all see what we want to see.
Good to see a bit of sanity creep back in. Once most people make a call on a player, good or bad, they will then only ever see the things that back up their original judgment.
Dead right I was like that with Edwards, I really did not think he had what it takes and after Saturday night I know I was right.. :lol :rollin.
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will admit i had the blinkers on a bit with him in the first quarter. sometimes we all see what we want to see.
Good to see a bit of sanity creep back in. Once most people make a call on a player, good or bad, they will then only ever see the things that back up their original judgment.
ah i think you have it wrong. i didnt notice the turnovers in the first quarter hence the comment sometimes you only see what you want to see. this kid has talent i think he has a future and i missed some skill errors.
will admit i had the blinkers on a bit with him in the first quarter. sometimes we all see what we want to see.
Good to see a bit of sanity creep back in. Once most people make a call on a player, good or bad, they will then only ever see the things that back up their original judgment.
Dead right I was like that with Edwards, I really did not think he had what it takes and after Saturday night I know I was right.. :lol :rollin.
yep edwards i agree i still think him a very poor user and way to small to play where he needs to play.geez people have a go at hislop in regards footskills this kid early last yr was as bad as it gets.
will give him some credit though disposal or more appropriately decision making has improved to the point where its passable abut you just know under real pressure it will all fall apart.
imo he is one we need to upgrade on. skinny running players who are forced to play outside must have very good footskills and decision making. id be prepared to gamble on another player and risk he becomes a decent player at another club.
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Crap 1st half. AFL standard in the 2nd but the jury still out on this bloke.
Reckon he's lucky to be on an AFL list but struts like he's the best player in the league.
Has some talent but plenty with more have ended up on the scrap heap.
Make or break season IMO.
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[Comment From PetePete: ] Will Daniel Connors break out this year?
[ Wayne Schwass: ] He has been in the system a little while, he is a good kick and knows how to find the ball. If he can cement a regular spot I would seriously consider him. Will be cheap (dreamteam) and is a gamble that might pay off.
http://www.afl.com.au/dreamteam/wayneschwasslivechat/tabid/15805/default.aspx
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Well another good solid game by Connors.
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Well another good solid game by Connors.
Having a preseason finally behind him seems to mean he's getting to the ball now and not drifting out of games. Interested to hear from WP and anyone else who went to Yea on Daniel's kicking off HB and whether he's woken up to doing the basic things right such as discipline and accountability rather than trying to do just the flashy stuff.
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Well another good solid game by Connors.
Hope he keeps it up.
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Well another good solid game by Connors.
Hope he keeps it up.
So do I, but like I said earlier this is his first un interupted pre season so this could be his year!!
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Well another good solid game by Connors.
Is that what they said on the wireless?
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Well another good solid game by Connors.
Is that what they said on the wireless?
Is that contrary to what you saw or heard WP?
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Well another good solid game by Connors.
Is that what they said on the wireless?
Is that contrary to what you saw or heard WP?
Look I think you can make a case for them all being solid yesterday. SOme were excellent, others were very good others floated in and out
I will be honest though I hardly noticed Daniel, I thought his disposal was better this week (though he continues to miss targets 30 metres away when under no pressure) as was his defensive pressure and I suppose you can say solid is a reasonable assessment but I would say he was in the top 6-10 players
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Well another good solid game by Connors.
Is that what they said on the wireless?
Well WP thats what I heard while listening to the radio and I heard his name mentioned quite a bit and didn't hear him turn the ball over, so yeah good game I suppose. Maybe you didn't notice him because you were not looking out for him.
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Yeah, from the radio call you got the impression that conners played a pretty solid game, without too many turnovers
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Yeah, from the radio call you got the impression that conners played a pretty solid game, without too many turnovers
Let me clarify I didn't say turnovers, I mentioned he missed targets and there is a difference
A turnover to me is when you dispose of the ball and it results in the opposition gaining possession of the ball
Not hitting targets is just that but it doesn't always result in turnovers.
I could give you multiple examples yesterday of blokes not hitting targets but they didn't result in turnovers.
Nahas did it twice in the first 10 minutes of the game - he had the ball and was under little prssure , had a team-mate 20-30 metres up the ground 10-15 metres clear of his opponent and the kick dropped 5 metres short. Was it a turnover? No but did it increase on his team-mate you bet it did and that's what I am talking about. Those types of kicks need to be eradicated and to be honest I reckon under no pressure there is little if any excuse for not hitting up your team-mate
Connors had I think it was Matin clear on the wing (say 20 metres away) and under no pressure he kicked it over Martin's head. Was it turnover no fortunately as there were others backing up but it created more pressure in the contest and gave the Cats players more time to cover the Tiger players.
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Fair enough.
I suppose thats a good sign in itself that they were capable of preventing these errors from becoming turnovers, but yeah, they need to be eliminated.
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Fair enough.
I suppose thats a good sign in itself that they were capable of preventing these errors from becoming turnovers, but yeah, they need to be eliminated.
Possibly a good sign but it depends on how much defensive pressure the cats were putting on though and whether they were playing with enough intensity to make us pay for our mistakes
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So do I, but like I said earlier this is his first un interupted pre season so this could be his year!!
Hope so but a LOT to prove yet.
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Hey WP I noticed in another thread you didn't seem to rate Connors... yet again. ;D. But you thought Edwards was better, and then I read the forums and the papers and all seem to say that Connors was one of our best. Are you annoyed that your mate Polo isn't in or that Edwards is actually no good and you have been talking them both up over Connors over the pre season or what??
Other people including the media were at the the game and they rated Connors, has he got a photo of you with a goat or what.. :thumbsup :thumbsup :lol :lol ;D ;D
Joking, please don't ban me... ::)
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Hey WP I noticed in another thread you didn't seem to rate Connors... yet again. ;D. But you thought Edwards was better, and then I read the forums and the papers and all seem to say that Connors was one of our best. Are you annoyed that your mate Polo isn't in or that Edwards is actually no good and you have been talking them both up over Connors over the pre season or what??
Other people including the media were at the the game and they rated Connors, has he got a photo of you with a goat or what.. :thumbsup :thumbsup :lol :lol ;D ;D
Blind leading the blind by the sounds of things. Since when has the media been reliable?
Connors would have got in the best because the blind heard he got it a lot and then saw he was our highest possession winner. An easy inclusion.
Pity Connors' skills were not up to scratch and his defensive work was deplorable.
It was no coincidence Leppitch was giving Connors an absolute bake at three quarter time assumingly for being the laziest prick standing around in the backline, and yes that includes Edwards.
Edwards might be a stick but his disposal, willingness to have a go in traffic and his defensive effort was far beyond Connors on Thursday night. Edwards was average, Connors was more average.
So if I am actually reading what you say right, how about watching the game before sprouting opinions about who was go and who wasn't on the night?
Connors is still the fairy we know, thinking he's a level above what he is. Until someone tears down that ego and makes him care about the club instead of himself he'll never make it.
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connors still makes the wrong decisions and is another jackosn by foot
was pretty bad in his decision making out of defence and needs to be dropped
possessions mean nothing
ppl think we will be better with foley, no way having foley and jakson in the team, both ae shocking by foot, will be disaster
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I must have watched a different game, thought Connors was one of our best.
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if people think nathan is one of the roots of our problems...I'm absolutely gobsmacked
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I must have watched a different game, thought Connors was one of our best.
We must have been on the channel... :thumbsup
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I thought Connors did fairly well actually. Obviously the big thing was his shocking manning up at times, hopefully he is a bit underdone because if that awful defending was due to lack of drive or laziness then he won't make it in the AFL
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Conners was a hack
couldnot hit a barn door that was 10m x 10m, can only use one side of his body the left. turns it over, kicks OOTF when could have used the other side of his body to ease preasure. But the most important part of the game is watching your opponant. Conners does not respect any opponant & while his off chasing ghosts his team-mates are trying to cover for him cause he is nowhere near his man who is constantly setting up goals.
If he gets in anyones best players for that performace then whos watching football
he did the same against Essendon practise game, got the ball but kicked it to ghosts
he should be bent over & raped by soccerhead
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Conners was a hack
couldnot hit a barn door that was 10m x 10m, can only use one side of his body the left. turns it over, kicks OOTF when could have used the other side of his body to ease preasure. But the most important part of the game is watching your opponant. Conners does not respect any opponant & while his off chasing ghosts his team-mates are trying to cover for him cause he is nowhere near his man who is constantly setting up goals.
If he gets in anyones best players for that performace then whos watching football
he did the same against Essendon practise game, got the ball but kicked it to ghosts
he should be bent over & raped by soccerhead
We must have been on the channel... :thumbsup
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Hey WP I noticed in another thread you didn't seem to rate Connors... yet again. ;D. But you thought Edwards was better, and then I read the forums and the papers and all seem to say that Connors was one of our best. Are you annoyed that your mate Polo isn't in or that Edwards is actually no good and you have been talking them both up over Connors over the pre season or what??
Other people including the media were at the the game and they rated Connors, has he got a photo of you with a goat or what.. :thumbsup :thumbsup :lol :lol ;D ;D
Joking, please don't ban me... ::)
I take it you are trying to bait me with your wit and intellect.
What has Polo got to do with Thursday night's game?
I really haven't made much comment about Thursday night's game.
But how did I think Connors went? Yes he was our highest possession winner but defensively he was terrible. There was one instance at the Punt Road end where he needed to attack the contest to help a team mate and stood there and did nothing while Carlton easily fed the ball out to Connors opponent no less and Dan continued to stand and didn't chase his own opponent. Now you and the media may think this sort of thing is OK because Dan managed to be our highest possession winner but I don't especially when one of the mantra's of the new coach is that when it is your time to go you go... that is one of my issues with Connors....
Now don't take this the wrong way but you are on the WEST COAST and I am on the EAST COAST and I was actually at the game and I will repeat what I have said many times - you see a helluva lot more at the game than what the TV shows you ... so unless the camera's pick up blokes not chasing and putting in 2nd efforts you really wouldn't know but as I said don't take that the worng way because it isn't your fault
As for the media - there is not a doubt in my mind they base their bests on stats... The HUNS best players clearly showed that... they had Cuz in the best...Cuz had a shocking night - turnover king +++++
Regarding Edwards - I thought he was average at best - his turnovers killed any chance of him being considered good on the night.
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Comeback Connors on right track: Hardwick
DANIEL Connors has had an interesting 2010. Averaging over 20 possessions a game for the first three rounds, he was sitting pretty in a turbulent Richmond team, but then came the Sydney post-match.
The Tigers had travelled to the harbour city and were on the wrong end of a 55-point belting at the hands of the (then) high-flying Swans, which was bad enough, but then a late-night drinking expedition - which came to a halt when Brownlow medallist Ben Cousins explained to Connors via a well-placed punch that his behaviour was out of line - was worse.
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