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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on September 17, 2010, 12:44:23 AM
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Justin Sherman latest to flee Brisbane Lions den
* Greg Denham
* From: The Australian
* September 17, 2010
SPEEDY midfielder/forward Justin Sherman yesterday confirmed he was the Brisbane Lions' next salary-cap relief casualty.
Richmond heads a list of clubs keen on gaining the contracted player's services, with Sydney also holding red-hot interest.
Sherman could be the third high-profile player to exit the Lions following Michael Rischitelli, who has joined the Gold Coast, and Jared Brennan, who informed Brisbane this week his future will be elsewhere.
Rischitelli and Brennan, who is leaning to the Suns and Carlton as his two main playing options beyond this year, were on lucrative deals and coming out of contract, whereas Sherman has two years to run on a heavily back-ended contract worth about $800,000 for 2011 and 2012 combined.
The departures of Rischitelli, Brennan and Sherman should be enough to ensure the Lions are under next year's cap, and will enable them to keep highly valued defender Josh Drummond.
Sherman's management has had discussions with Richmond, which is believed to have offered him the security of a three-year deal. A potential contract offer from the Tigers may not necessarily be reliant on Brisbane subsidising any future remuneration, which is common practice when players on lucrative deals swap clubs. The Lions are understood to be agreeable to accepting a second-round national draft selection in return for Sherman.
Sherman, 23, who was recruited from Tasmania with a third-round selection in the 2004 national draft, has played 114 games for the Lions, including 17 this year. He was runner-up to Simon Black in the Lions' best-and-fairest award in 2006, but, like Brennan, did not figure in the top 10 in this season's count, behind Rischitelli.
Richmond, in the absence of Ben Cousins, is hoping to bolster its midfield with several experienced additions by trading in Sherman and out-of-contract Bomber Bachar Houli.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/justin-sherman-latest-to-flee-brisbane-lions-den/story-e6frg7mf-1225925056761
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Richmond, in the absence of Ben Cousins, is hoping to bolster its midfield with several experienced additions by trading in Sherman and out-of-contract Bomber Bachar Houli.
Hardly makes you feel excited :-\
Anyway this would mean we give up pick 29 for Sherman leaving us with just one pick inside the top 45 of the draft. An extra (priority) pick would've come in handy wouldn't it :whistle.
You'd better hope by the time trade week comes along we are also trading players away to gain decent picks or serious questions will need to be asked of those in charge of our list management and total recruiting strategy.
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I'm just wondering if this is an application of "The no short cuts policy" certainly doesn't look or sound like it to me.
We want to "be getting picks in the first or second rounds" not be giving them away.
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I'm just wondering if this is an application of "The no short cuts policy" certainly doesn't look or sound like it to me.
We want to "be getting picks in the first or second rounds" not be giving them away.
Spot on RR.
As I said you'd hope expendable players will be going out the other way to gain us some decent draft picks as well otherwise it'll be groundhog day.
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Sherman for a 2nd rounder is a bad deal again IMHO. Complete waste of a good pick.
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Sherman is a reallly good player
Can tell you he is highly related by most clubs
That would mean the end for alot of the ""midgets "" we currently have.
Would be very excited to get Justin at Punt Rd ;)
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I think it would be a fantastic deal ;D
Can you imagine this fourm if it happened? Traffic would be massive, posts galore, everyone fired up
Arghhh it's what we're all about
Bring it on :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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I think it would be a fantastic deal ;D
Can you imagine this fourm if it happened? Traffic would be massive, posts galore, everyone fired up
Arghhh it's what we're all about
Bring it on :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Your a trouble maker WP :lol
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Your a trouble maker WP :lol
I've learnt from the best Ramps ;) ;D
:jump
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Deledio
tambling
Morton
Sherman
mcgaune
thursfield
Did ok from 04 draft
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ooh please surely this is April Fools again is it?
"Sherman has two years to run on a heavily back-ended contract worth about $800,000 for 2011 and 2012 combined"
so does that mean we would have to foot the bill for that as well as giving the Lions draft picks.
Dimma will be judged purely on decisions like this i hope this aint true because Sherman has never been able to string descent consecutive seasons together.
Craig Cameron trying to justify his position by be seen to be doing something. Just leave it fool and draft kids
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Sherman is a reallly good player
Can tell you he is highly related by most clubs
That would mean the end for alot of the ""midgets "" we currently have.
Would be very excited to get Justin at Punt Rd ;)
is he highly related or highly rated lol
he would be a good pick up, he has pace and can kick goals
we need fast skillfull outside players , dont know why ppl get all upset
sydney want him that means he is valuable, sydney dont just choose losers
he will be a good pick up esp if he comes cheap. as i said he is still young, and is much better than any kid we will pick up in the draft
this myth that u have to rebuild solely from the draft is ridiculous
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I have faith in what ever the club decides. Yes we have made HUGE trade errors in the past BUT a hell of a lot has changed at punt road in the last couple of years we now have a "full time" recruiting department who did bloody well with there job last season and I am sure they will do the same again this year.
Our list still need a hell of allot of tweaking! outside of Lid's Cotch Dusty and Jack there aint that much more to be excited about. Shermin and Houli fit our needs and I would rather have there names on our list than a few others ATM.
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I HIGHLY doubt that we'd be giving up a 2nd rounder for him, ESPECIALLY since we'd probably be paying out at least half of his contract to help out Brisbane with their salary cap problems. Would be very annoyed if it was more than a 3rd rounder that we gave them.
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Richmond, in the absence of Ben Cousins, is hoping to bolster its midfield with several experienced additions by trading in Sherman and out-of-contract Bomber Bachar Houli.
Hardly makes you feel excited :-\
Anyway this would mean we give up pick 29 for Sherman leaving us with just one pick inside the top 45 of the draft. An extra (priority) pick would've come in handy wouldn't it :whistle.
You'd better hope by the time trade week comes along we are also trading players away to gain decent picks or serious questions will need to be asked of those in charge of our list management and total recruiting strategy.
Id say there's a pretty good chance we would get a 2nd round pick in exchange for one of rance, thursty, mcguane or moore so it may not be so bad.
Have to agree with X about drafting kids not being the only way to build a list.
In the past we have made some shocking decisions in terms of picking up hacks and giving away picks, but considering how poorly we have drafted in the past we probably didnt loose much at the end of the day.
Saying we must only draft kids because of this history is throwing the baby out with the bath water. It doesnt matter how the player comes to the club, what is important is that it's the right player for the right price
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it looks like the tiges are associated with
every bloke coming or going. :rollin
2nd rounder i dont think so.
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Tambling/Pick 29/Pick 60 for Sherman/Houli/Pick 35ish.
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The Sherman deal appears merely speculative with him being contracted for another 2 years. The cost of the trade and covering his contract would surely persuade our club from pursuing it.
Conversely, the Houli trade seems a long way down the track and is closer to eventuating that not.
This time of the year always gets me worried (probably rightly so given our history) that we will trade away picks and fall into the same trap we have for years - over-estimating our list and hurting our redevelopment.
Stripes
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Richmond, in the absence of Ben Cousins, is hoping to bolster its midfield with several experienced additions by trading in Sherman and out-of-contract Bomber Bachar Houli.
Hardly makes you feel excited :-\
Anyway this would mean we give up pick 29 for Sherman leaving us with just one pick inside the top 45 of the draft. An extra (priority) pick would've come in handy wouldn't it :whistle.
You'd better hope by the time trade week comes along we are also trading players away to gain decent picks or serious questions will need to be asked of those in charge of our list management and total recruiting strategy.
Id say there's a pretty good chance we would get a 2nd round pick in exchange for one of rance, thursty, mcguane or moore so it may not be so bad.
Have to agree with X about drafting kids not being the only way to build a list.
In the past we have made some shocking decisions in terms of picking up hacks and giving away picks, but considering how poorly we have drafted in the past we probably didnt loose much at the end of the day.
Saying we must only draft kids because of this history is throwing the baby out with the bath water. It doesnt matter how the player comes to the club, what is important is that it's the right player for the right price
Hardwick has lead the club well so far and im going to trust him on his decsions cause he wants whats best for richmond as much as we do :thumbsup
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I agree with all , so far we have recuited well under Jakson / Cameron / Hardwick but I would be unhappy if we were to trade away our top 4 picks.
I suspect the Sherman for Blinger would have merit. Along with one of our medium tall backmen it might be in everyones best interest to organise a trade.
I wouldnt be unhappy to trade Foley to WC for their pick 4 and Rance + swap for Mundy. Could Hawthorn still be chasing Rance
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I agree with all , so far we have recuited well under Jakson / Cameron / Hardwick but I would be unhappy if we were to trade away our top 4 picks.
I suspect the Sherman for Blinger would have merit. Along with one of our medium tall backmen it might be in everyones best interest to organise a trade.
I wouldnt be unhappy to trade Foley to WC for their pick 4 and Rance + swap for Mundy. Could Hawthorn still be chasing Rance
There is no way in the world that Nathan Foley is worth pick 4 with his on going medical problems, there's just to much risk at the asking price, maybe the end of next year after he has shown a full recovery could we expect that sort of deal.
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Sherman is a reallly good player
Can tell you he is highly related by most clubs
That would mean the end for alot of the ""midgets "" we currently have.
Would be very excited to get Justin at Punt Rd ;)
he's poo, crap foot skills, over inflated contract
the end
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obvious you dont know much,
He is better than at least 6 players at Punt Rd who regularly get a game
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For me Sherman is an inconsistent injury prone player who runs hot and cold.
Pass.
Would not waste a draft pick on him.
Jack if he is so highly rated then why are the journos not writing anything about it.
Yet they seem to write garbage articles about us and linking us to everyone who has worn an AFL jumper and
disgruntled with their club or out of contract. Seems if Dimma aint giving them what they want to hear they will write about it anyway and then change their tune when we follow a different scenario.
Trading is 3 weeks away....... ;D
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obvious you dont know much,
He is better than at least 6 players at Punt Rd who regularly get a game
who says I like the 6 duds you may be talking about you self promoting bigshot? ::) There are still another 12-13 players who i want out of punt road.
Replacing duds with slight upgrades(but still duds) and ones on 450k per season no less, is not my idea of good list management. Lol yeah you're a real expert Jack :lol
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i am actually, thank you for acknowledging that :thumbsup
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obvious you dont know much,
He is better than at least 6 players at Punt Rd who regularly get a game
who says I like the 6 duds you may be talking about you self promoting bigshot? ::) There are still another 12-13 players who i want out of punt road.
Replacing duds with slight upgrades(but still duds) and ones on 450k per season no less, is not my idea of good list management. Lol yeah you're a real expert Jack :lol
whos teh 13 players?
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I agree with Jack on this one. I think Sherman would be a good pickup. Has plenty of pace, is built like his namesake and is a pretty reliable shot at goal.
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Richmond, in the absence of Ben Cousins, is hoping to bolster its midfield with several experienced additions by trading in Sherman and out-of-contract Bomber Bachar Houli.
Hardly makes you feel excited :-\
Anyway this would mean we give up pick 29 for Sherman leaving us with just one pick inside the top 45 of the draft. An extra (priority) pick would've come in handy wouldn't it :whistle.
You'd better hope by the time trade week comes along we are also trading players away to gain decent picks or serious questions will need to be asked of those in charge of our list management and total recruiting strategy.
CLEARLY DOING THE HARDE YARDS IS SOMETHING NOT IN THE RFC VOCAB.
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Western Bulldogs yesterday joined Richmond and Sydney in the race to lure contracted Brisbane midfielder/forward Justin Sherman.
Sherman's new manager, Melbourne-based Liam Pickering, confirmed the Dogs had a strong interest in the 23-year-old, who is being forced out of the Lions due to salary-cap pressure.
As reported exclusively in yesterday's The Australian, Richmond has offered him the security of a firm three-year deal which is not reliant on Brisbane subsidising any future remuneration.
In return, the Lions are understood to be agreeable to accepting a second-round national draft selection in return for Sherman.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/suns-plan-swoop-for-jetta/story-e6frg7mf-1225925615722
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obvious you dont know much,
He is better than at least 6 players at Punt Rd who regularly get a game
who says I like the 6 duds you may be talking about you self promoting bigshot? ::) There are still another 12-13 players who i want out of punt road.
Replacing duds with slight upgrades(but still duds) and ones on 450k per season no less, is not my idea of good list management. Lol yeah you're a real expert Jack :lol
Spot on Judith Light.
Say it aint so CC, just another MacMahon deal to be burdened with in list management terms.
An inconsistent, one-sided, front running, outside receiving, low skilled, non-defensive, hibernating dud.
C'mon Dimma - put an end to this madness of trading for peanuts and build a list that will have sustained success playing a brand of footy that will stand up in September.
No more shortcuts !!!!!!!!! :banghead
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peanuts are allu gs that think every kid in the draft will be a good player
facts are , most are crap, only a select few actually make it
traiding for players in these next 2 drafts will be the best way to go cos really , we only have one pick in the draft who may have potential
all the rest are russian roulette
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i would have thought that we could get a good player with our first 2 picks in the nd. atleast!
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That was a phenomenal paragraph X, I think I get the gist lol.
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peanuts are allu gs that think every kid in the draft will be a good player
facts are , most are crap, only a select few actually make it
traiding for players in these next 2 drafts will be the best way to go cos really , we only have one pick in the draft who may have potential
all the rest are russian roulette
Which is why we must go for quantity of new players again. Trade out those who can't make it and roll the dice for new kids.
A 2nd rounder for this guy is silly.
Very few clubs get good players from trades, you cannot build a list that way, you can only top up. It must be via the draft now, we are not in a top up phase.
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I don't think people understand that a second rounder this year is not quite the same as a second round pick in years gone by. Our second round pick is pick 28, (29 with WC priority pick?) but that could move even later depending on compensation picks issued/used. In reality our second round pick wont be far off being equivalent of third round picks for finishing second last in previous years; eg our third round pick last year was 35.
The club would remiss not to consider all options when it comes to recruiting and if they apply the same due diligence and criteria to both potential trades or draftees then the chances of making successful decisions are pretty much the same.
Regardless of how the players are brought to the club, not all will work out. No sane person expects a 100% strike rate with drafting so the same common sense should be applied to trading.
Perhaps with the next two drafts being so compromised looking at trading rather than solely hoping to fluke something late in the draft is not as silly as people seem to think. As I've said before as long as it is the right player for the right price.
What amazes me most though, is that people get their nickers in such a knot over unsubstantiated rumours that mostly have their origins from BF. :lol
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peanuts are allu gs that think every kid in the draft will be a good player
facts are , most are crap, only a select few actually make it
traiding for players in these next 2 drafts will be the best way to go cos really , we only have one pick in the draft who may have potential
all the rest are russian roulette
Which is why we must go for quantity of new players again. Trade out those who can't make it and roll the dice for new kids.
A 2nd rounder for this guy is silly.
Very few clubs get good players from trades, you cannot build a list that way, you can only top up. It must be via the draft now, we are not in a top up phase.
Luke Ball and Darren Jolly's inclusions plus the rise of a Leigh Brown are all trades that have significantly nearly single handedly won Collingwood the flag this year.
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peanuts are allu gs that think every kid in the draft will be a good player
facts are , most are crap, only a select few actually make it
traiding for players in these next 2 drafts will be the best way to go cos really , we only have one pick in the draft who may have potential
all the rest are russian roulette
Which is why we must go for quantity of new players again. Trade out those who can't make it and roll the dice for new kids.
A 2nd rounder for this guy is silly.
Very few clubs get good players from trades, you cannot build a list that way, you can only top up. It must be via the draft now, we are not in a top up phase.
Sydney may argue with you there mate... when did they last bottom out? Hardwick and the coaching staff must be confident in developing inconsistent or fringe players (like they did with most of our side this year)
Compromised draft, the risks are just as great.
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peanuts are allu gs that think every kid in the draft will be a good player
facts are , most are crap, only a select few actually make it
traiding for players in these next 2 drafts will be the best way to go cos really , we only have one pick in the draft who may have potential
all the rest are russian roulette
Which is why we must go for quantity of new players again. Trade out those who can't make it and roll the dice for new kids.
A 2nd rounder for this guy is silly.
Very few clubs get good players from trades, you cannot build a list that way, you can only top up. It must be via the draft now, we are not in a top up phase.
Sydney may argue with you there mate... when did they last bottom out? Hardwick and the coaching staff must be confident in developing inconsistent or fringe players (like they did with most of our side this year)
Compromised draft, the risks are just as great.
Agree, I will take Sherman over Houli, but what the hell, I will take both if the club can turn them around.
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Like most on here, I will be disappointed if we give up our 2nd round DP for either of Sherman or Houli...fact is we need to use our first 2 picks at least in this coming draft...
In saying that, I think it's likely that we'll be trading a couple of players out, possibly McGuane and/or Rance plus a few others to buy back into the 2nd round of the draft should we give that pick away for either of Ssherman/Houli.
I'm praying that GC pay overs for McGuane and give us pick #25 or better.
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I think we should use our first 2 picks on kids beyond that I think Hardwick should be allowed to consider his options.
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there will still be good players taken in the 20s 30s and rookie list.
Being a weaker draft it is more important to upgrade our draft picks this time around
I don't think people understand that a second rounder this year is not quite the same as a second round pick in years gone by. Our second round pick is pick 28, (29 with WC priority pick?) but that could move even later depending on compensation picks issued/used. In reality our second round pick wont be far off being equivalent of third round picks for finishing second last in previous years; eg our third round pick last year was 35.
The club would remiss not to consider all options when it comes to recruiting and if they apply the same due diligence and criteria to both potential trades or draftees then the chances of making successful decisions are pretty much the same.
Regardless of how the players are brought to the club, not all will work out. No sane person expects a 100% strike rate with drafting so the same common sense should be applied to trading.
Perhaps with the next two drafts being so compromised looking at trading rather than solely hoping to fluke something late in the draft is not as silly as people seem to think. As I've said before as long as it is the right player for the right price.
What amazes me most though, is that people get their nickers in such a knot over unsubstantiated rumours that mostly have their origins from BF. :lol
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I never said that there were not good players in the 20s and 30s. I said that our second round pick is not far off being the equivalent of a third round pick in recent years. An important consideration when judging a players worth against a 2nd or 3rd round pick.
As for being important to upgrade picks, yeah that has merit. The most important thing is that they get the the right players. If the decision makers decide that there is more chance of that by trading rather than utilising that particular pick in the ND, then based on last years form I'm happy to trust their judgment, for now.
If we followed Voss's lead from last year I would be a bit concerned though.
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I think we should use our first 2 picks on kids beyond that I think Hardwick should be allowed to consider his options.
I think that is fair. In addition to that, we need to pick up between 8-10 new players to the system (including rookies) which will comprise under age and mature age recruits from state leagues - refer Nason, Webberly.
If they want to trade for players like Sherman - similar under performers like Tambling would appear to best option to use as trade options - straight out or via a 3rd party. Its a risk that Tambo will thrive in a new club and Sherman will shank but that is the nature of calculated risk taking when trading anyway.
Shermans ability to play outside and kick goals probably gives us an x factor that Tambo can't. I'd be happy either way.
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I have just re-watched our game against Brisbane this season (one of the advantages of having the enitre season on DVD ;D)
Took more of interest in Sherman - has a lot of "upside" especially being a bigger body. Very good as a tackler - his stick ;D
Now I ask people this: If the deal was Sherman and Brisbane's 1st round pick for say Tambling or Moore and our 2nd round would you take the deal?
As I said let's wait and see if we trade up to a higher pick than 28 or 29 before we discount Sherman or Houli for that matter
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According to the Bear's website Mathews played him mainly as a run with player in his last year as coach, so you can be pretty sure he knows how to be accountable.
It comes down to what we give up for him.
I doubt they'd just look at each trade individually, rather look at the biger picture of what gets traded for what. These so called agreements could still depend on certain other players getting traded out. Although they may give up pick 30 or whatever our second round pick ends up being, if they recieve another pick around that mark in another trade, they balance each other out. In effect it becomes a player for player trade.
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I have just re-watched our game against Brisbane this season (one of the advantages of having the enitre season on DVD ;D)
Took more of interest in Sherman - has a lot of "upside" especially being a bigger body. Very good as a tackler - his stick ;D
Now I ask people this: If the deal was Sherman and Brisbane's 1st round pick for say Tambling or Moore and our 2nd round would you take the deal?
As I said let's wait and see if we trade up to a higher pick than 28 or 29 before we discount Sherman or Houli for that matter
would not give Bling or Moore . dont want to get rid of good players, we need depth to the side like collingwood if a second rounder gets a really good player Like Sherman i say go for it. Or we could try and find some 18 year old who will take 3 to 4 years to find him self whne we could have Sherman (its not a short cut) a short cut would be us getting 27 to 30 year olds to play for 2 years then leave
or
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The Bulldogs are expected to be active in the trade period, with departing Brisbane Lions player Justin Sherman high on their list of "wants".
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/western-bulldogs-will-limp-to-pre-season/story-e6frf9jf-1225926427377
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The Bulldogs are expected to be active in the trade period, with departing Brisbane Lions player Justin Sherman high on their list of "wants".
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/western-bulldogs-will-limp-to-pre-season/story-e6frf9jf-1225926427377
They will probibly get him too
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Yeah they probably will get him, another team with no salary cap.... ::)
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how old is Sherman?
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I have just re-watched our game against Brisbane this season (one of the advantages of having the enitre season on DVD ;D)
Now I ask people this: If the deal was Sherman and Brisbane's 1st round pick for say Tambling or Moore and our 2nd round would you take the deal?
As I said let's wait and see if we trade up to a higher pick than 28 or 29 before we discount Sherman or Houli for that matter
Without batting an eyelid WP.Brisbanes 1st pick is about 10 isn't it? picks 6 & 10 sets us up beautifully
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how old is Sherman?
Turns 24 in January, 184cm, 87 kgs, pick 45 in the 2004 National Draft, debuted as an 18 yo in 2005, 114 games, ave 17.3 disposals (9.4k 7.9h) 3.9 marks 3 tackles, has kicked 85 goals 76 behinds, 5 career Brownlow votes.
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I have just re-watched our game against Brisbane this season (one of the advantages of having the enitre season on DVD ;D)
Took more of interest in Sherman - has a lot of "upside" especially being a bigger body. Very good as a tackler - his stick ;D
Now I ask people this: If the deal was Sherman and Brisbane's 1st round pick for say Tambling or Moore and our 2nd round would you take the deal?
As I said let's wait and see if we trade up to a higher pick than 28 or 29 before we discount Sherman or Houli for that matter
Tambling yes Moore now. They can take Mcguane for a half eaten sandwich for all i care.
Moore is a required player of our club and will be prime 28 by the time we start to make our assault
Sherman is average at best but an upgrade with a Tambling sounds okay. Houli will be MCMAHON MARK 2. BOOK MARK IT
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Don't want Sherman
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Brisbane Lions line-breaker Justin Sherman is another who appears to be on the move and possibly bound for the Western Bulldogs.
The acquisition of Sherman would be a major boost for the Dogs following the departure of speedy backman Jarrod Harbrow to Gold Coast.
The Dogs are in the market for some pace and skill, Sherman's line-breaking drive off half-back seen as helping reinvigorate the club's flag hopes.
Sherman, 23, is likely to be forced out of Brisbane due to the club's salary cap crisis.
Carlton could also be in the hunt for Sherman if it can free up some cash.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/melbourne-targets-north-melbourne-ruckman-david-hale/story-e6frf9jf-1225929447034
The Dees are also after David Hale according to the Herald-Sun.
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to quote Stiffler from American Pie - "Sherman... What the stuff are you doing here?!" :rollin
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If we get Sherman, does that mean we will tank?
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Can play IMO. Hope we are doing all we can without being silly obviously.
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ooh please surely this is April Fools again is it?
"Sherman has two years to run on a heavily back-ended contract worth about $800,000 for 2011 and 2012 combined"
so does that mean we would have to foot the bill for that as well as giving the Lions draft picks.
Dimma will be judged purely on decisions like this i hope this aint true because Sherman has never been able to string descent consecutive seasons together.
Craig Cameron trying to justify his position by be seen to be doing something. Just leave it fool and draft kids
here here dan the man. let me add what ever happened to that much vaunted no poor kicks mantra.
what concerns me is if they are trading away 2nd rnd picks for types like sherman the logical conclusion can only be they think we have a top 8 list.
without a shadow of doubt the club should be looking to cut at least 10 or 12 players and trying to trade into a pick somewhere around 15 thru 30. they should also be trading into any other pick they can get.not the opposite and not for a bloke who has questionable skills and consistency.
the other thing that makes me wonder about the love for sherman is do people actually look at what his true worth as a footy player is and what the potential upside of a second rounder may be.
i have to ask how many of us thought with the going of wallace and the advent of the new messiah hardwick and after the initial clean out that at last we were going to put in place and act on processes that will work, processes that said no more short cuts.
well one has to wonder the similarities between hardwick 09 10 and wallace 04 05 are astounding. bloody hell at least wallace had three draft picks in the top 40 at the end of his first yr in charge.
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Not wanting to address everything in your post claw, but I'm just wondering, you have noticed that the draft over the next couple of years is a bit different to normal?
Also, I take it you know that all the talk you are basing your comments about Sherman, the RFC and Hardwick on are indeed facts?
The way this draft is being talked about it would have to be the strongest draft ever in the history of the AFL. The GC has lucked out getting all those picks in this draft. Bet GWS will be just as lucky next year too. ;)
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Not wanting to address everything in your post claw, but I'm just wondering, you have noticed that the draft over the next couple of years is a bit different to normal?
Also, I take it you know that all the talk you are basing your comments about Sherman, the RFC and Hardwick on are indeed facts?
The way this draft is being talked about it would have to be the strongest draft ever in the history of the AFL. The GC has lucked out getting all those picks in this draft. Bet GWS will be just as lucky next year too. ;)
lol so the draft is a poor one, please.
sherman has been offered a 3 yr deal that from his manager.
if you add the half a dozen under age kids gc got first dibs at the draft would be deemed very strong.
have you stopped to think with pick 6 which should be 4 and 6 a trade into a pick somewhere around 15 -25 pick 29 and pick 46 it becomes very much a normal or even strong draft for us and an ideal opportunity to make up massive ground on most clubs. but thats right every kid in this draft is a dud bar the ones gc get.
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Didn't say it was poor claw, just different. Take a large chunk of talent out before it even starts, give the first 3 picks then every second pick in the top 10 to the one team. You tell me what effect that has on the out second third and fourth draft choices.
Agree 6 is off limits unless moving lower. If we can upgrade our second and third picks then that would be great.
My point is that this draft is one that a little creativity could go a long way.
I still feel you cannot know the mind of the RFC and if you are going to base criticism on rumours and media reports then you are setting yourself up to be very wrong. Almost every draft rumour or report that I have read so far has proved to be crap. Yes you may luck out and actually call one right but the odds are against you though. Good luck with that.
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Gc thsi year and GWS next with better picks int future? WHOLE system is stuffed
Thats its were done were finished .. Game over man.. GAME OVER !! :rollin
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BF rumour from yesterday:
"Sherman was at Richmond again this week getting tests done and meeting with some of the boys"
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=755947&highlight=sherman&page=56
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BF rumour from yesterday:
"Sherman was at Richmond again this week getting tests done and meeting with some of the boys"
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=755947&highlight=sherman&page=56
Gee I hope this wasn't the same poster who said Tambling had a medical at the Whitten Oval the other week because they aren't going to well with their rumours ;) ;D
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BF rumour from yesterday:
"Sherman was at Richmond again this week getting tests done and meeting with some of the boys"
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=755947&highlight=sherman&page=56
Gee I hope this wasn't the same poster who said Tambling had a medical at the Whitten Oval the other week because they aren't going to well with their rumours ;) ;D
Glad its not me :lol
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I have no problem with Sherman.
If we trade Tambling out for a reasonable pick and then on trade that for Sherman then we win. Sherman is an upgrade on Tambling.
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A robot sent from the future to help one lucky team... THE SHERMANATOR!!! :bow
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Dogs show interest in Lion Sherman
They have been linked to a number of smaller, speedy types, including Brisbane Lion Justin Sherman.
"He's a good player and we've certainly spoken to him and his manager and we're going to speak to, Brisbane, but that's early days as well," Fantasia said.
"But we've made an indication that he's the type of player that we'd love to bring into our footy club."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/103519/default.aspx
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Dogs show interest in Lion Sherman
They have been linked to a number of smaller, speedy types, including Brisbane Lion Justin Sherman.
"He's a good player and we've certainly spoken to him and his manager and we're going to speak to, Brisbane, but that's early days as well," Fantasia said.
"But we've made an indication that he's the type of player that we'd love to bring into our footy club."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/103519/default.aspx
Looks like he is going to teh Dogs not us :thumbsup told you guys tehy were more apealing :lol
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All that article says is that they have spoken to his Manager, i'd assume quite a few clubs have!
Im still under the impression that the Dogs have got nothing to offer except thier compo pick from Harbrow, with their 1st and 2nd rounds picks already used on Libba and Wallis.
Dogs have been linked to quite a few players and i think to be honest they are far from getting anyone! They arent that appealing honestly and will be seen as the side to slipe from the top 4.
They want by all reports, Sherman,Vespremi,Tambling,Walker,Nahas,Tarrant among others and they only have Andrejs Everitt and Josh Hill with some currency for certain clubs! those 2 players arent going to snare 1st round pick or multiple picks for them to on-trade IMO.
Im confidant Sherman will be at Richmond seeming that the strong word is we are his preference!
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All that article says is that they have spoken to his Manager, i'd assume quite a few clubs have!
Im still under the impression that the Dogs have got nothing to offer except thier compo pick from Harbrow, with their 1st and 2nd rounds picks already used on Libba and Wallis.
Dogs have been linked to quite a few players and i think to be honest they are far from getting anyone! They arent that appealing honestly and will be seen as the side to slipe from the top 4.
They want by all reports, Sherman,Vespremi,Tambling,Walker,Nahas,Tarrant among others and they only have Andrejs Everitt and Josh Hill with some currency for certain clubs! those 2 players arent going to snare 1st round pick or multiple picks for them to on-trade IMO.
Im confidant Sherman will be at Richmond seeming that the strong word is we are his preference!
I hope your right
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Swans make $1.6m move on Sherman
Greg Denham
The Australian
October 01, 2010
THE future of contracted Brisbane midfielder Justin Sherman hangs in the balance following a massive four-year $1.6 million offer from Sydney.
The offer is far in excess of what Richmond has put in front of the disenchanted Lions runner, who told the Tigers they were his preference and that he had no plans to live in Sydney.
Sherman, who was recruited from Tasmania, is also being wooed by the Western Bulldogs.
In the same management stable as Gary Ablett -- IMG's Liam Pickering -- Sherman's requirement to at least one of his Melbourne-based suitors is a three-year contract at $375,000 a season.
The Tigers are understood to have told Sherman's management to present something closer to $300,000.
Should Richmond walk away because of Sherman's high price tag, the Swans appear to have the front running even though the 23-year-old has told clubs he wants to relocate to Melbourne.
Brisbane is keen to trade out players for draft selections because of its bulging salary-cap problem over the next few years, and is understood to be open to a second-round national draft pick for Sherman.
Sherman has two years left on a heavily back-ended contract worth about $800,000 for 2011 and 2012 combined.
Like a number of his teammates, he played this year on greatly reduced money, mainly due to the need to restructure contracts to fit Brendan Fevola's huge salary into the Lions' cap.
Without shedding players and rearranging current contracts, the Lions could be as much as $1m over next year's cap and in even deeper trouble the year after.
Brisbane, which has already significantly reduced next year's total player payments with the loss of Michael Rischitelli to the Gold Coast and the imminent defections of Jared Brennan and Sherman, may have to cut more players or their salaries because of its need for more cap relief.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/swans-make-16m-move-on-sherman/story-e6frg7mf-1225932547797
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What the hell Tigers go for it, with him and Grigg.. who knows.
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What the hell Tigers go for it, with him and Grigg.. who knows.
LOL
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Be just ironic for Sydney to shaft us again on a trade wouldn't it? They seem to be determined to put the skids under us every time with their bloated salary cap bs.
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Swans make $1.6m move on Sherman
Greg Denham
The Australian
October 01, 2010
THE future of contracted Brisbane midfielder Justin Sherman hangs in the balance following a massive four-year $1.6 million offer from Sydney.
The offer is far in excess of what Richmond has put in front of the disenchanted Lions runner, who told the Tigers they were his preference and that he had no plans to live in Sydney.
Sherman, who was recruited from Tasmania, is also being wooed by the Western Bulldogs.
In the same management stable as Gary Ablett -- IMG's Liam Pickering -- Sherman's requirement to at least one of his Melbourne-based suitors is a three-year contract at $375,000 a season.
The Tigers are understood to have told Sherman's management to present something closer to $300,000.
Should Richmond walk away because of Sherman's high price tag, the Swans appear to have the front running even though the 23-year-old has told clubs he wants to relocate to Melbourne.
Brisbane is keen to trade out players for draft selections because of its bulging salary-cap problem over the next few years, and is understood to be open to a second-round national draft pick for Sherman.
Sherman has two years left on a heavily back-ended contract worth about $800,000 for 2011 and 2012 combined.
Like a number of his teammates, he played this year on greatly reduced money, mainly due to the need to restructure contracts to fit Brendan Fevola's huge salary into the Lions' cap.
Without shedding players and rearranging current contracts, the Lions could be as much as $1m over next year's cap and in even deeper trouble the year after.
Brisbane, which has already significantly reduced next year's total player payments with the loss of Michael Rischitelli to the Gold Coast and the imminent defections of Jared Brennan and Sherman, may have to cut more players or their salaries because of its need for more cap relief.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/swans-make-16m-move-on-sherman/story-e6frg7mf-1225932547797
gezzz if teh swanies want him for tha tmuch ill TAKE HIME :gotigers
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From BF:
just thought everyone should know that we have pretty much given up hope of getting sherman as we cant come to terms financially. (not willing to pay him what he wants) some will be happy others wont be.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=19210261&postcount=200
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From BF:
just thought everyone should know that we have pretty much given up hope of getting sherman as we cant come to terms financially. (not willing to pay him what he wants) some will be happy others wont be.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=19210261&postcount=200
Are they Kidding??? tehre forgetting how many players we have dropped? and are going to Drop ... what a fool :banghead
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Are they Kidding??? tehre forgetting how many players we have dropped? and are going to Drop ... what a fool :banghead
I would say that meant the Swans offer is well above what we are prepared to pay for Sherman. Unless Sherman stipulated to Brisbane that he only wants to be traded a Melbourne-based club then we've been trumped by Sydney with their $1.6m over 4 years offer.
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Are they Kidding??? tehre forgetting how many players we have dropped? and are going to Drop ... what a fool :banghead
I would say that meant the Swans offer is well above what we are prepared to pay for Sherman. Unless Sherman stipulated to Brisbane that he only wants to be traded a Melbourne-based club then we've been trumped by Sydney with their $1.6m over 4 years offer.
Rumors are that he wants to go to Melb and pref to Richmond isnt that right?