Richmond has offered Lion Justin Sherman a 3-year deal (Australian)

[Darth Tiger]

obvious you dont know much,
He is better than at least 6 players at Punt Rd who regularly get a game

who says I like the 6 duds you may be talking about you self promoting bigshot? There are still another 12-13 players who i want out of punt road.
Replacing duds with slight upgrades(but still duds) and ones on 450k per season no less, is not my idea of good list management. Lol yeah you're a real expert Jack 

Spot on Judith Light.

Say it aint so CC, just another MacMahon deal to be burdened with in list management terms.

An inconsistent, one-sided, front running, outside receiving, low skilled, non-defensive, hibernating dud.

C'mon Dimma - put an end to this madness of trading for peanuts and build a list that will have sustained success playing a brand of footy that will stand up in September.

No more shortcuts !!!!!!!!!

[TigerTimeII]

peanuts are allu gs that think every kid in the draft will be a good player

facts are , most are crap, only a select few actually make it

traiding for players in these next 2 drafts will be the best way to go cos really , we only have one pick in the draft who may have potential
all the rest are russian roulette

[Ramps]

i would have thought that we could get a good player with our first 2 picks in the nd. atleast!

[Owl]

That was a phenomenal paragraph X, I think I get the gist lol.

[tdy]

peanuts are allu gs that think every kid in the draft will be a good player

facts are , most are crap, only a select few actually make it

traiding for players in these next 2 drafts will be the best way to go cos really , we only have one pick in the draft who may have potential
all the rest are russian roulette

Which is why we must go for quantity of new players again.  Trade out those who can't make it and roll the dice for new kids.

A 2nd rounder for this guy is silly.

Very few clubs get good players from trades, you cannot build a list that way, you can only top up.  It must be via the draft now, we are not in a top up phase.

[Penelope]

I don't think people understand that a second rounder this year is not quite the same as a second round pick in years gone by. Our second round pick is pick 28, (29 with WC priority pick?) but that could move even later depending on compensation picks issued/used. In reality our second round pick wont be far off being equivalent of third round picks for finishing second last in previous years; eg our third round pick last year was 35.

The club would remiss not to consider all options when it comes to recruiting and if they apply the same due diligence and criteria to both potential trades or draftees then the chances of making successful decisions are pretty much the same.
Regardless of how the players are brought to the club, not all will work out. No sane person expects a 100% strike rate with drafting so the same common sense should be applied to trading.

Perhaps with the next two drafts being so compromised looking at trading rather than solely hoping to fluke something late in the draft is not as silly as people seem to think. As I've said before as long as it is the right player for the right price.

What amazes me most though, is that people get their nickers in such a knot over unsubstantiated rumours that mostly have their origins from BF.

[TigerLand]

peanuts are allu gs that think every kid in the draft will be a good player

facts are , most are crap, only a select few actually make it

traiding for players in these next 2 drafts will be the best way to go cos really , we only have one pick in the draft who may have potential
all the rest are russian roulette

Which is why we must go for quantity of new players again.  Trade out those who can't make it and roll the dice for new kids.

A 2nd rounder for this guy is silly.

Very few clubs get good players from trades, you cannot build a list that way, you can only top up.  It must be via the draft now, we are not in a top up phase.

Luke Ball and Darren Jolly's inclusions plus the rise of a Leigh Brown are all trades that have significantly nearly single handedly won Collingwood the flag this year.

[crannyvegas]

peanuts are allu gs that think every kid in the draft will be a good player

facts are , most are crap, only a select few actually make it

traiding for players in these next 2 drafts will be the best way to go cos really , we only have one pick in the draft who may have potential
all the rest are russian roulette

Which is why we must go for quantity of new players again.  Trade out those who can't make it and roll the dice for new kids.

A 2nd rounder for this guy is silly.

Very few clubs get good players from trades, you cannot build a list that way, you can only top up.  It must be via the draft now, we are not in a top up phase.

Sydney may argue with you there mate... when did they last bottom out? Hardwick and the coaching staff must be confident in developing inconsistent or fringe players (like they did with most of our side this year)

Compromised draft, the risks are just as great.

[WA Tiger]

peanuts are allu gs that think every kid in the draft will be a good player

facts are , most are crap, only a select few actually make it

traiding for players in these next 2 drafts will be the best way to go cos really , we only have one pick in the draft who may have potential
all the rest are russian roulette

Which is why we must go for quantity of new players again.  Trade out those who can't make it and roll the dice for new kids.

A 2nd rounder for this guy is silly.

Very few clubs get good players from trades, you cannot build a list that way, you can only top up.  It must be via the draft now, we are not in a top up phase.

Sydney may argue with you there mate... when did they last bottom out? Hardwick and the coaching staff must be confident in developing inconsistent or fringe players (like they did with most of our side this year)

Compromised draft, the risks are just as great.

Agree, I will take Sherman over Houli, but what the hell, I will take both if the club can turn them around.

[GOOHUC]

Like most on here, I will be disappointed if we give up our 2nd round DP for either of Sherman or Houli...fact is we need to use our first 2 picks at least in this coming draft...

In saying that, I think it's likely that we'll be trading a couple of players out, possibly McGuane and/or Rance plus a few others to buy back into the 2nd round of the draft should we give that pick away for either of Ssherman/Houli.

I'm praying that GC pay overs for McGuane and give us pick #25 or better.

[Ramps]

I think we should use our first 2 picks on kids beyond that I think Hardwick should be allowed to consider his options.

[Judge Roughneck]

there will still be good players taken in the 20s 30s and rookie list.

Being a weaker draft it is more important to upgrade our draft picks this time around 

I don't think people understand that a second rounder this year is not quite the same as a second round pick in years gone by. Our second round pick is pick 28, (29 with WC priority pick?) but that could move even later depending on compensation picks issued/used. In reality our second round pick wont be far off being equivalent of third round picks for finishing second last in previous years; eg our third round pick last year was 35.

The club would remiss not to consider all options when it comes to recruiting and if they apply the same due diligence and criteria to both potential trades or draftees then the chances of making successful decisions are pretty much the same.
Regardless of how the players are brought to the club, not all will work out. No sane person expects a 100% strike rate with drafting so the same common sense should be applied to trading.

Perhaps with the next two drafts being so compromised looking at trading rather than solely hoping to fluke something late in the draft is not as silly as people seem to think. As I've said before as long as it is the right player for the right price.

What amazes me most though, is that people get their nickers in such a knot over unsubstantiated rumours that mostly have their origins from BF.

[Penelope]

I never said that there were not good players in the 20s and 30s. I said that our second round pick is not far off being the equivalent of a third round pick in recent years. An important consideration when judging a players worth against a 2nd or 3rd round pick.

As for being important to upgrade picks, yeah that has merit. The most important thing is that they get the the right players. If the decision makers decide that there is more chance of that by trading rather than utilising that particular pick in the ND, then based on last years form I'm happy to trust their judgment, for now.

If we followed Voss's lead from last year I would be a bit concerned though.

[yellowandback]

I think we should use our first 2 picks on kids beyond that I think Hardwick should be allowed to consider his options.

I think that is fair. In addition to that, we need to pick up between 8-10 new players to the system (including rookies) which will comprise under age and mature age recruits from state leagues - refer Nason, Webberly.

If they want to trade for players like Sherman - similar under performers like Tambling would appear to best option to use as trade options - straight out or via a 3rd party. Its a risk that Tambo will thrive in a new club and Sherman will shank but that is the nature of calculated risk taking when trading anyway.

Shermans ability to play outside and kick goals probably gives us an x factor that Tambo can't. I'd be happy either way.

[WilliamPowell]

I have just re-watched our game against Brisbane this season (one of the advantages of having the enitre season on DVD )

Took more of interest in Sherman - has a lot of "upside" especially being a bigger body. Very good as a tackler - his stick  

Now I ask people this: If the deal was Sherman and Brisbane's 1st round pick for say Tambling or Moore and our 2nd round would you take the deal?

As I said let's wait and see if we trade up to a higher pick than 28 or 29 before we discount Sherman or Houli for that matter