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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: PhilipAnderson on November 16, 2010, 02:07:59 PM
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Hello everyone,
I thought that I would introduce myself.
My name is Philip Anderson and I would like to announce my nomination for the Richmond Football Club board.
Below you will see a link to my Blog page which will show you further detail on me personally and why you should vote for me in the upcoming election.
http://philipandersontigers.wordpress.com/
I understand that voting is optional and that you also have a choice.
I would, however, appreciate it if you gave some consideration to voting for me.
Go tigers! Let's make a difference.
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will show you further detail on me personally and why you should vote for me in the upcoming election.
I see nothing in there about why I should vote for you. There is absolutely nothing about your qualifications, and on what you could contribute to the board. All I see is a lot of things you want, which are the same things everyone wants. It is big on tub-thumping populism, and bereft of substance or detail. Very disappointing.
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Hi Philip and welcome to OER.
My suggestion is the Members will want to know more about the HOW behind the honourable sentitments that we all want.....
Q1. How do you plan to eliminate our debt? What is the action plan you suggest?
Q2. What ways do you have planned to deliver further income to the Club? Such as the ability to attract more/better sponsors or non-footy related income/businesses, etc...?
Q3. When you say we must further invest the savings into the footy department beit recruiting, player development or sports science, where will these savings come from - additional revenue (ie. Q1 & Q2) and/or from cuts in non-football areas of the Club?
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will show you further detail on me personally and why you should vote for me in the upcoming election.
I see nothing in there about why I should vote for you. There is absolutely nothing about your qualifications, and on what you could contribute to the board. All I see is a lot of things you want, which are the same things everyone wants. It is big on tub-thumping populism, and bereft of substance or detail. Very disappointing.
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I have a question and its this, if I vote for you.... who on the current board should I not vote for and why?
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Hello Phillip
I read your blog and I must say that there is nothing in your blog in terms of the points of improvement that you want to see at the club that is not already happening or is well in progress, in fact just on one point, the communication between the club and its supporters has never been stronger. If you had of made yourself known 18 months to 2 years ago (When we were a mess in some areas) you would have had a much better chance of impinging on your audience than you do right now. Please do not take this comment as an invalidation of your abilities because you could in fact be a very able individual but i can't find a current board member that should loose his position so that you can get in there to do the very things these guys are ALREADY implementing.
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I have a question and its this, if I vote for you.... who on the current board should I not vote for and why?
Philip could only replace one of the three board members running for re-election - March, Matthies or Haines.
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I have a question and its this, if I vote for you.... who on the current board should I not vote for and why?
Philip could only replace one of the three board members running for re-election - March, Matthies or Haines.
Yep so what I am asking is which one of those 3 shouldn't I vote for and the reasons why. In effect, I'd like him to tell us how he can do a better job than any of the 3 up for election.
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There's also the cost factor of holding an Board election.
There was talk a year or so ago about March stepping down at the end of his term but IIRC he's said this year that he wants to continue on as Prez.
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I've had a look and thorough read of Mr Anderson's website.
I think a number of other psoters have covered how I feel
I always find it interesting (bordering on amusing actually) that people when they decide to do this have no hesitation in saying what's wrong and what the Club should be doing but sadly never actually come up with a plan on how they are going to fix the problems.
We need to increase spend in the footy department is the cry - YEP we do but my question is how do you intend to increase revenues to achieve that? Going to pull a 6 or 7 figure sponsor out of the sky?
Further the website tells us he is running but not why? Sorry but to me the "I want the Tigers to be the most successful club" doesn't cut it. Bottomo line is we all want that; so again it comes back to how do you intend to make that happen
Ramps makes a really important point - who is it that you want off the board exactly and why?
Fact is I wnat to know what you have to offer and unfortunately your web-site doesn't tell me. And because of that it really doesn't give me one reason why I should vote for you
And one final PS: I really have an issue with the cost of running and election like this because by extension it takes away money from the footy dept ....
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Would one of the revenue streams be investment be in a hotel with pokies - close to Punt Road.
Tell us about the skills you would bring to the board and why you will be a better replacement than the board member you would replace?
Do you think the current board is on track?
Do you know why havnt we got a major sponsor yet?
I like your style though - putting yourself out there by posting on OE.
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Phil, i have seen your post on more than one website now and the same questions are coming up. Don't treat us like mugs, mate. Answer the questions.
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Just read yr wordpress page again and I think the questions raised are valid.
Also, you might want to do a bit of editing. There are some pretty silly mistakes, both in spelling and expression which make it look a bit amateurish.
And another thing; pendulums don't turn.
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To me its just another coterie group member on the board who wants to run things their way in much the same way we have seen for the most part in my time as an RFC supporter or member. It's just the cynical part of me that just is really apprehensive when board elections come around.
Yep I fall into that 30+ year old supporter who is frustrated at the lack of success but telling me that aint going to fix the problem it merely strikes a chord in my psyche and unfortunantely that doesn't guarantee success.
Now Phil please answer the posters aforementioned questions for this RFC footy and social club member.
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i want to know will your wife have a say on which flower arrangments are on the tables at the Presidents Lunches.
As the other board members wifes have a say, will yours. ::)
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There is a possibility this bloke might be a troll :-\
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i want to know will your wife have a say on which flower arrangments are on the tables at the Presidents Lunches.
As the other board members wifes have a say, will yours. ::)
FFS Jack. :lol :rollin :lol
Surely they don't argue on the cutlery china and napkins.
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I'd like to be on the board too.
Nice looking website Phil but seriously what do you bring to the table and why should you get my vote?
Nothing in the blog really answered that.
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I'd like to be on the board too.
Nice looking website Phil but seriously what do you bring to the table and why should you get my vote?
Nothing in the blog really answered that.
agree.
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i want to know will your wife have a say on which flower arrangments are on the tables at the Presidents Lunches.
As the other board members wifes have a say, will yours. ::)
FFS Jack. :lol :rollin :lol
Surely they don't argue on the cutlery china and napkins.
I have it on extremely good authority that at a board meeting approx 5-7 years ago, board members wanted to discuss flower arrangements on the tables, they said there wifes werent happy.( some members are still on the board i beleive) The footy representative at the meeting later resigned/stood down from his role, he was horrified at the events of the meeting
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I would like to be on the board too.
Great rort, contribute a few bucks, get all the perks etc etc.
:birthday :cheers :cheers :cheers
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Come on Phil, yr hanging around watching. Whaddya got to say?
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@roflmao
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Thank you very much for your questions and comments and thank you for allowing me to join your forum. Your questions and criticisms are all appreciated. My intention here is purely to create discussion. Without discussion you can not move forward. So over the next 3 or more weeks I hope to provide answers to all or most of your questions through my blog as I am being asked lots of questions by lots of people.
http://philipandersontigers.wordpress.com/
I will update this everyday with comments and hopefully you will better understand my motivations and position.
The key here though is that I am putting myself in front of you - to communicate with me. If I am elected, communication from the board to the membership is critical. Whilst there will be certain sensitivites that arise out of board meetings there still should be communication.
As you all see, I am comfortable with social media and this is a great way to communicate with people, so my committment to you going forward is that if I am elected to the board of the Richmond Football Club I will be available to communicate with you whenever you wish.
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Phil, this is exactly the same post as u have put on other sites. As such it doesnt address any of the concerns raised here, or there.
Not a good start, buddy.
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About two months ago I had a coffee with Gary March. In that discussion I wanted Gary to know that I was intending on running for the board. I would much rather Gary knew what my intentions were than to do this around him without his opportunity to discuss things with me. We had a stuff discussion. In that meeting I made Gary aware of the fact that I felt that considering that Richmond had performed so poorly over the past 9 years and still were performing poorly (15th this year) that there was not enough movement of board members. This to me is a major issue. We need a fresh look at things. We need fresh ideas. We need fresh enthusiasm. We must have significant leadership and we must show that by ensuring that we don’t have board members occupy seats without providing significant results.
Lets break this down further. We have 9 board members and they are elected for a 3 year term. We currently have 6 of the 9 board members that are still in place from when Terry Wallace was appointed coach of the Richmond Football Club back in 2004. Now lets break down our performance of those years:
2005 12th
2006 9th
2007 16th
2008 9th
2009 15th
2010 15th
To me, to have 6 of the 9 directors still in place whilst looking at these results, I would sit up and say that there has been enough time to make a difference. There are 3 board members standing for re-election now and I feel that there has not been any progress made where we need progress to be made in the 6 years that I have stated above. To this end, I believe it is time for change and that is one of the main reasons why I have nominated myself for the board this year.
I might add, that I am not isolating any one director or any one individual here because they all act collectively. Some board members provide far greater input than others as well. But what I am saying is that to keep the status quo simply on the basis that we feel that we are going in the right direction is not reason enough to re-elect a current board member.
Each one of the current board members that are up for re-election have been in place for many years – it is time to say to them that it is now time for change.
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Do you believe that Damien Hardwick is doing a good job and do you trust him to make us a success?
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Phil, i dont think u get it. These forums are full of committed tiger fans who all have varying opinions and who want to know specific details. You are posting identical posts on several forums. That's not good enough and wont win you any brownie points at all.
If you are serious, the fans deserve better than this effort so far.
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You're not very convincing Phil. You are still not telling us why we should pick you over one of the incumbents.
You're arguing about change for change's sake.
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Is he a serious contender or just a joke like that guy a few years ago? Crazy John. Who was the other one? Rexy Hunt. Gee we have had a few. That Pahoff joker. We must attract the loonies.
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I dont know Phil at all but I read his blog.
I think his point is, 6 of the current 9 were involved in the appointment of TW back in 2004. The team has performed badly over the past 6 years so some of these 6 ought to go. What Phil's blog doesn't address (in addition to the comments above) is why ought there be a change NOW. What is the CURRENT regime doing or not doing that his skill set would achieve.
Personally, i think the current board is doing a good job. Not all things do I agree with but then again, as with any organisation, its unlikely you will agree with everything they do. Why are they doing a good job eg. appointing Brendan Gale , 12 months of the year access to Punt Road, footy department with lines of reporting, division of responsibilities (no G Miller wearing numerous diff hats).
G March and co have instilled a more corporate mentality and structure where each division of the business runs itself.
At this stage, I wont be voting for a change.
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I am worried that Phil is rabbiting on about communication and the ease with which he uses social media and yet he seems to do neither.
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I thought he said he would answer the questions via his blog over the coming weeks?
It seems some are very quick to criticise or write this bloke off, but I'm wondering what do you know about the individual board members currently in place.
I fully agree you don't change for the sake of changeing, but at this point in time I know more about this bloke than the other board members, but that's still not saying much.
Ultimately, Phil you will need to give more than just the bullsh!t spin we get from our politicians.
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Al, my problem is that Phil is posting the same stuff on various websites and despite the fact that he spends time sittting and watching his thread, he hasnt addressed the specific questions asked of him.
if that is writing him off, then I've written him off. i would prefer to think that he is being prompted to speak with us, but he is declining.
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Hi, I have been reading this forum for a while and this thread has made me join up so I can have a say!
I agree with Phillip, that as a one eyed tiger supporter, that I am sick of hearing about us being on the right track!!
If we had been on the right track for the last 10 years as they have been saying, surely we would have seen some results on the field, as really they are the only results that matter.
Financially we may not be in the best position but put some wins on the board and that would change very quickly, how can you continue to market a product that is just promises and never delivers results.
Making change for change sake, why don't you want change! Everybody was happy to make Terry Wallace accountable, why not the board? Are you happy with 15th in 2011 9th in 2012 15th in 2013 and then watch Damien Hardwick get sacked and start all over again. Lets not forget that Damien Hardwick is accountable to the same board that Terry Wallace was accountable to and they obviously ok'd everything that Terry Wallace was doing. Do we just wait until it fails again and listen to the speel over and over.
Why isn't the board accountable for losses, until we start winning some games I will keep voting for change.
I would like to know from Phillip exactly what he thinks he can do to help Richmond put wins on the board, in what way does he feel the board is not performing? What are they not doing that he thinks he can do better?
We all want the same thing in the end, a premeirship, and expecting anything less from our board is letting our team down.
Thanks for letting me rant
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I can see where your coming from CR. If he doesn't address the questions put to him in the near future most thinking people will will pretty much write him off as well.
As i said though and im sure there will be many in the same boat, i couldn't even name the current board members let alone know anything about them.
When i was younger, lived in Melbourne and was a regular member i hardly ever voted on board elections, as i generally don't in companies I am a shareholder in. I'd prefer to abstain than make an uniformed choice (see guess)
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Hi, I have been reading this forum for a while and this thread has made me join up so I can have a say!
I agree with Phillip, that as a one eyed tiger supporter, that I am sick of hearing about us being on the right track!!
If we had been on the right track for the last 10 years as they have been saying, surely we would have seen some results on the field, as really they are the only results that matter.
Financially we may not be in the best position but put some wins on the board and that would change very quickly, how can you continue to market a product that is just promises and never delivers results.
Making change for change sake, why don't you want change! Everybody was happy to make Terry Wallace accountable, why not the board? Are you happy with 15th in 2011 9th in 2012 15th in 2013 and then watch Damien Hardwick get sacked and start all over again. Lets not forget that Damien Hardwick is accountable to the same board that Terry Wallace was accountable to and they obviously ok'd everything that Terry Wallace was doing. Do we just wait until it fails again and listen to the speel over and over.
Why isn't the board accountable for losses, until we start winning some games I will keep voting for change.
I would like to know from Phillip exactly what he thinks he can do to help Richmond put wins on the board, in what way does he feel the board is not performing? What are they not doing that he thinks he can do better?
We all want the same thing in the end, a premeirship, and expecting anything less from our board is letting our team down.
Thanks for letting me rant
Nice to meet you, Dorothy Dix!
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Phil, i dont think u get it. These forums are full of committed tiger fans who all have varying opinions and who want to know specific details. You are posting identical posts on several forums. That's not good enough and wont win you any brownie points at all.
If you are serious, the fans deserve better than this effort so far.
Carvels Ring,
Thank you for your continued prompting. There are so many questions to answer and so many forums to answer them on. Let me state that I actually do get it and answers will be posted on my Blog on a daily basis. I also know that these forums are full of committed tiger fans and I am just one of those as well. The key here is to let you know that I wanted to promote discussion as there was none relating to the election prior to me making my initial post. At this time I wish to listen to all of you to better understand what it is that you want as well. I also want you to get to know me better along the way. At least you will have a better understanding of who you are or are not voting for as opposed to not knowing anyone and perhaps even not voting. Hopefully, at least you may vote - this will be good for the Richmond Football Club.
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Hi Phil, how many forums are you on?
also, if you are posting answers on your blog i doubt whether you will get much interest or stuff. links are boring and for trainspotters. If you get asked a question here on OER then you should reply here. otherwise yr advertising here is just a cynical exercise.
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Just out of curiosity, how many rang you up from the club and tried to put you off running?
I'm not sure that's a good thing if they did or bad thing, but I've heard it happening before.
Good, because elections are costly, but bad because why shouldn't you run or anyone else.
So I guess that means you really have to weigh up whether you really can add anything of value more than the present board.
Not trying to dissuade you, but worth a think, hey!
Good luck anyway, we all love the club and I can't blame you for wanting to be a part of it
:gotigers
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where is that Clayton fellow :lol
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where is that Clayton fellow :lol
David is actually back posting to other Richmond forums again after a self-imposed 'exile'. Laugh if you need to Jack but he had the club's best interests at heart and he has put in many many many hours of unpaid volunteer work over the years. A lot of other self-important judgmental people can't say the same.
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A lot of other self-important judgmental people can't say the same. = that idiot Pahoff.
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Pahoff :lol
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To Carvels Ring,
You seem to have the answers for everything, why don't you put yourself out there and run for the board, you obviously know more than everybody else.
And trying to make a difference is never a waste of time.
Dorothy Dix! Had no idea what you were talking about, maybe you need to make your accusations clearer.
We are actually allowed to have different opinions without the sarcasm
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Hi, I have been reading this forum for a while and this thread has made me join up so I can have a say!
I agree with Phillip, that as a one eyed tiger supporter, that I am sick of hearing about us being on the right track!!
If we had been on the right track for the last 10 years as they have been saying, surely we would have seen some results on the field, as really they are the only results that matter.
Financially we may not be in the best position but put some wins on the board and that would change very quickly, how can you continue to market a product that is just promises and never delivers results.
Making change for change sake, why don't you want change! Everybody was happy to make Terry Wallace accountable, why not the board? Are you happy with 15th in 2011 9th in 2012 15th in 2013 and then watch Damien Hardwick get sacked and start all over again. Lets not forget that Damien Hardwick is accountable to the same board that Terry Wallace was accountable to and they obviously ok'd everything that Terry Wallace was doing. Do we just wait until it fails again and listen to the speel over and over.
Why isn't the board accountable for losses, until we start winning some games I will keep voting for change.
I would like to know from Phillip exactly what he thinks he can do to help Richmond put wins on the board, in what way does he feel the board is not performing? What are they not doing that he thinks he can do better?
We all want the same thing in the end, a premeirship, and expecting anything less from our board is letting our team down.
Thanks for letting me rant
I'm a Richmond supporter to and rant every now and then on this forum. Does it qualify me to run for the board? Answer the questions rather than telling us about an agenda that pulls at the heartstrings of all success starved RFC fans. I think what I want to know is this?
What major sponsors are we looking at and how much money will they invest?
Minor sponsors as well?
When will the announcements be made and how will this change in future seasons when we enter pre season without a major sponsor.
Where does this fit in with increasing the capacity of our off field coaching and development department.
How much extra will we be able to increase our footy department spending per capita. Does that mean we can recruit more full time staff to look at kids through the year to help FJ and co.
Our 4 million dollar debt how are we working to eradicate it.
We can't simply be looking at acquiring 75000 members by 2014.
What if we fail on field what plan B and C is in place off field to achieve debt eradication.
From my personal point of view I am a RFC club and social club member and coterie groups from my part I see very sceptically as being antequated and living in the past and sticking their nose into footy department matters. Sure we may have moved on from that to an extent but why are you running now as opposed to 2004 or before that since you have been heavily involved in the club. From my point of view we need transperancy from you Phil to tell us why now in 2010 and not previously as well as answering real questions that affect the off field aspect of the club and the $$$$ invested in it as well as the eradication of debt. Token spruiking on different sites won't win my vote. I think you need to follow your lead and answer these questions Phil to at least make your campaign look credible whether we vote for you or not. Just my rant.
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To Carvels Ring,
You seem to have the answers for everything, why don't you put yourself out there and run for the board, you obviously know more than everybody else.
And trying to make a difference is never a waste of time.
Dorothy Dix! Had no idea what you were talking about, maybe you need to make your accusations clearer.
We are actually allowed to have different opinions without the sarcasm
mate if it smells like a duck it's duck
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To Carvels Ring,
You seem to have the answers for everything, why don't you put yourself out there and run for the board, you obviously know more than everybody else.
And trying to make a difference is never a waste of time.
Dorothy Dix! Had no idea what you were talking about, maybe you need to make your accusations clearer.
We are actually allowed to have different opinions without the sarcasm
this the whole point mate, u have nailed it. I am not running for the board, but i get to vote. This phil bloke is the one who needs to provide the answers. He hasnt yet. Time to root yrself in the real world mate.
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where is that Clayton fellow :lol
David is actually back posting to other Richmond forums again after a self-imposed 'exile'. Laugh if you need to Jack but he had the club's best interests at heart and he has put in many many many hours of unpaid volunteer work over the years. A lot of other self-important judgmental people can't say the same.
It would be great to see him on the board and have some knob get up at the agm and ask him a million and one boring questions :lol
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aha! Pahoff again, Froarsy!
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Hi, I have been reading this forum for a while and this thread has made me join up so I can have a say!
I agree with Phillip, that as a one eyed tiger supporter, that I am sick of hearing about us being on the right track!!
If we had been on the right track for the last 10 years as they have been saying, surely we would have seen some results on the field, as really they are the only results that matter.
Financially we may not be in the best position but put some wins on the board and that would change very quickly, how can you continue to market a product that is just promises and never delivers results.
Making change for change sake, why don't you want change! Everybody was happy to make Terry Wallace accountable, why not the board? Are you happy with 15th in 2011 9th in 2012 15th in 2013 and then watch Damien Hardwick get sacked and start all over again. Lets not forget that Damien Hardwick is accountable to the same board that Terry Wallace was accountable to and they obviously ok'd everything that Terry Wallace was doing. Do we just wait until it fails again and listen to the speel over and over.
Why isn't the board accountable for losses, until we start winning some games I will keep voting for change.
I would like to know from Phillip exactly what he thinks he can do to help Richmond put wins on the board, in what way does he feel the board is not performing? What are they not doing that he thinks he can do better?
We all want the same thing in the end, a premeirship, and expecting anything less from our board is letting our team down.
Thanks for letting me rant
I'm a Richmond supporter to and rant every now and then on this forum. Does it qualify me to run for the board? Answer the questions rather than telling us about an agenda that pulls at the heartstrings of all success starved RFC fans. I think what I want to know is this?
What major sponsors are we looking at and how much money will they invest?
Minor sponsors as well?
When will the announcements be made and how will this change in future seasons when we enter pre season without a major sponsor.
Where does this fit in with increasing the capacity of our off field coaching and development department.
How much extra will we be able to increase our footy department spending per capita. Does that mean we can recruit more full time staff to look at kids through the year to help FJ and co.
Our 4 million dollar debt how are we working to eradicate it.
We can't simply be looking at acquiring 75000 members by 2014.
What if we fail on field what plan B and C is in place off field to achieve debt eradication.
From my personal point of view I am a RFC club and social club member and coterie groups from my part I see very sceptically as being antequated and living in the past and sticking their nose into footy department matters. Sure we may have moved on from that to an extent but why are you running now as opposed to 2004 or before that since you have been heavily involved in the club. From my point of view we need transperancy from you Phil to tell us why now in 2010 and not previously as well as answering real questions that affect the off field aspect of the club and the $$$$ invested in it as well as the eradication of debt. Token spruiking on different sites won't win my vote. I think you need to follow your lead and answer these questions Phil to at least make your campaign look credible whether we vote for you or not. Just my rant.
Tuckerbag,
Happy for you to clear the air.
I am not on the board at this time and the questions that you are requiring answers must come from the current board members. I am at this time like you a Richmond member. The only difference between us now is that I have put my hand up to run for the board, but this does not entitle me to the all of the answers that the current board have within their possession. I will be only made aware of this information officially, as and when the club decides that the membership should be made aware of this or if I am successful in my endeavours gaining a seat on the board.
I can answer some of the other questions though. Prior to my involvement with Richmond I lived in Sydney for 12 years running my business there before moving the head office to Melbourne where I was educated and raised. Running for the board is a serious thing to do, it requires a significant time committment. Up until now, I was unable to make that time committment. Combine that with some of the reasons that I have made available on my Blog and that added up to running in 2010.
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There's 5 candidates......
There are 9 positions on the board.
The people that are up for nomination are:
Gary March Board Member re-nominating
Peggy Haines Board Member re-nominating
John Matthies Board Member re-nominating
Neil McKay
Philip Anderson
There are 3 positions available and there are 5 people to fill these 3 positions.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=19596002&postcount=39
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Thanks for answering Phil.
But as a voter other than what you have mentioned I am sure there are plans and agendas that you would like to submit to the board regardless of whether you are privy or not to all the details that the board preside over rather than a campaign which broadly addresses a blueprint that what members may or may not want.
Other than at an AGM when the books are open in such a case as when a board member is up for election I think it would be wise for the Club to release such details. Possibly this might be another agenda point which makes it easier for members to vote for a candidate. I just think it is prudent. I think eradicating this 4 million dollar debt and spending more on our footy dept is an essential ingredient to on field success.
Phillip, I am not doubting your love for the RFC and your success in business and I wish you all the best I think it is just sensible for the members to want to ask the necessary questions. This period over the next few years are critical for the club considering the failure of the Wallace regime. I would not want the hard yards already put in by Brendan Gale and co as well as Hardwick and the off field dept to count for nought.
Another aspect that I find very important is the draw.
Will we have a greater voice or voice our opinion more loudly and play all our home games at the MCG as well as playing yearly home games against Carlton Essendon and Collingwood and once our deals interstate are done we can still play our games at the MCG. Will we play home games at the G against interstate sides like Port Freo. In order to attain this for example a proposal would be to play an Easter Monday home game against Collingwood each year alternating home sides. In 1977 we drew 91000 our biggest ever home crowd. Thus guaranteeing extra revenue, except when Easter falls on the Anzac weekend.
As a big 4 side how will we look to maintain this or reignite this. We have Dreamtime with Essendon, Opening game against Carlton maybe Easter Monday against the Magpies $$$$$.
We need more off field clout especially from the board. We are constantly bullied by other sides and what other sides get away with we fail abysmally by not even voicing a whimper. Eg Tribunal hearings. In time maybe re kindling that Graeme Richmond us against them would rather be hated feared and respected by our peers than looked down upon. Clubs like St Kilda the Doggies North and Hawthorn are our inferiors traditionally and we should not just stand back and watch them succeed while we stumble. What would you as a board member do in the case of Jake King getting rubbed out on the evidence given by Travis Cloke said. As a club how do we take that based on the unwritten law of not dobbing in anyone at the Match Revue Panel. Just some things to mull over that I believe give our club a stronger identity.
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Enough already - just tell us why we should vote for you.
We don't want a politician, we want a straight shooter with vision to make us the club we were under Graeme Richmond - Amen
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personally i think when choice is available the only winner is our football club...i want to see the best people represent richmond and that can only be done when we encourage our faithfull to speak up and make a stand.
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personally i think when choice is available the only winner is our football club...i want to see the best people represent richmond and that can only be done when we encourage our faithfull to speak up and make a stand.
i agree completely. And this is exactly why this Phil bloke is so disappointing. he has nothing to say, he wont answer questions, he posts the same on here and other sites and he is all hyperbole and fluff.
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Considering the cost of the election to the club if you are a losing candidate will you make a contribution to the club in regards to the cost of the election?
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personally i think when choice is available the only winner is our football club...i want to see the best people represent richmond and that can only be done when we encourage our faithfull to speak up and make a stand.
i agree completely. And this is exactly why this Phil bloke is so disappointing. he has nothing to say, he wont answer questions, he posts the same on here and other sites and he is all hyperbole and fluff.
Listen you old bastard
You know I love you dearly but...
FFS give it a rest.
:lol
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There's 5 candidates......
There are 9 positions on the board.
The people that are up for nomination are:
Gary March Board Member re-nominating
Peggy Haines Board Member re-nominating
John Matthies Board Member re-nominating
Neil McKay
Philip Anderson
There are 3 positions available and there are 5 people to fill these 3 positions.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=19596002&postcount=39
Hmmm Neil McKay as well - he is on the Coburg Board IIRC
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where is that Clayton fellow :lol
David is actually back posting to other Richmond forums again after a self-imposed 'exile'. Laugh if you need to Jack but he had the club's best interests at heart and he has put in many many many hours of unpaid volunteer work over the years. A lot of other self-important judgmental people can't say the same.
It would be great to see him on the board and have some knob get up at the agm and ask him a million and one boring questions :lol
David Clayton still hasn't touched his old website since the day he bailed because the Club drafted Cuz.
http://members.iinet.net.au/~dcstar/
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FWIW I think that the democratic operation of football clubs is healthy for the competition. If Philip isn't wanted by the members then so be it. IMO the AFL should be paying for the costs of any AGM, not individual clubs.
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About two months ago I had a coffee with Gary March. In that discussion I wanted Gary to know that I was intending on running for the board. I would much rather Gary knew what my intentions were than to do this around him without his opportunity to discuss things with me. We had a stuff discussion. In that meeting I made Gary aware of the fact that I felt that considering that Richmond had performed so poorly over the past 9 years and still were performing poorly (15th this year) that there was not enough movement of board members. This to me is a major issue. We need a fresh look at things. We need fresh ideas. We need fresh enthusiasm. We must have significant leadership and we must show that by ensuring that we don’t have board members occupy seats without providing significant results.
Lets break this down further. We have 9 board members and they are elected for a 3 year term. We currently have 6 of the 9 board members that are still in place from when Terry Wallace was appointed coach of the Richmond Football Club back in 2004. Now lets break down our performance of those years:
2005 12th
2006 9th
2007 16th
2008 9th
2009 15th
2010 15th
To me, to have 6 of the 9 directors still in place whilst looking at these results, I would sit up and say that there has been enough time to make a difference. There are 3 board members standing for re-election now and I feel that there has not been any progress made where we need progress to be made in the 6 years that I have stated above. To this end, I believe it is time for change and that is one of the main reasons why I have nominated myself for the board this year.
I might add, that I am not isolating any one director or any one individual here because they all act collectively. Some board members provide far greater input than others as well. But what I am saying is that to keep the status quo simply on the basis that we feel that we are going in the right direction is not reason enough to re-elect a current board member.
Each one of the current board members that are up for re-election have been in place for many years – it is time to say to them that it is now time for change.
While I'm not against the idea of us needing a new fresh face or two on the Board for the reasons you've outlined Phillip, you appear to be arguing for change at board level based mainly on lack of results from the footy dept. over the past 6 seasons. Tony Free who is on the football sub-committee and replaced Greg Miller at board level in 2008 isn't facing an election this year (March as Prez is ex-officio on all sub-committees). The other non-Boardroom positions that have impact on the footy dept have also all changed within the past 2 years - Brendon Gale CEO replacing Steve Wright, Craig Cameron Head of footy dept replacing Greg Miller, and Hardwick (plus new coaching staff) replacing Wallace and co. Are you dissatisfied with the performance of anyone with head positions within the current footy dept? Add to that the modern infrastructure additions with the new facilites at Punt Rd and Craigieburn within the past 2-3 years.
Given you are challenging, and with all due respect most members wouldn't know you at all, you need to at least illustrate one or two ideas/plans you will bring to the table that benefits the Club and that any or all of the current 3 directors up for nomination lack. As everyone has said, simply saying "we need a new face on the Board and that face should be me" is something we all could say. Sorry we need more details.
It appears you are suggesting Gary March has escaped criticism as Prez and leader of the Club for the past 5 years unlike those who were underneath him who have been given the sack and he should step aside so someone new can lead the Club forward from this point of time.
Just one last question Phillip for my own benefit to get a understanding on your philosophy towards (re)building a successful side onfield ........
If you did end up on the Board in 2011 and we once again faced a situation where we had hardly won a game in the first half of the season and we're no chance of playing finals - Would you expect that the side to still try and win as many games as possible for the remainder of the season to install a "winning mentality" OR would you advocate to the footy dept. we strive for a priority pick instead to give us a stronger draft position?
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where is that Clayton fellow :lol
David is actually back posting to other Richmond forums again after a self-imposed 'exile'. Laugh if you need to Jack but he had the club's best interests at heart and he has put in many many many hours of unpaid volunteer work over the years. A lot of other self-important judgmental people can't say the same.
It would be great to see him on the board and have some knob get up at the agm and ask him a million and one boring questions :lol
David Clayton still hasn't touched his old website since the day he bailed because the Club drafted Cuz.
http://members.iinet.net.au/~dcstar/
Yeah, he took the whole Cousins thing very hard - didn't agree with it in any shape or form and it appeared to be a kind of 'last straw' thing for him. He was still attending games but withdrew his input to the club and that (for some strange personal reason) included some forums - he bounced around some general football forums but not Richmond ones. I'm not supporting or condoning what he did but I won't devalue his effort and input to our club over a very long period at his own expense. And yes, he might have been seen as a boring pest at AGM's with his questioning but the upside is that the questions were getting asked and that helps "keep the bastards honest" as Don Chipp would say. Much worse scenario for our club is to have an AGM with no questions or scrutiny. Each to his own but I will defend David's passion and effort all day.
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Hi, I have been reading this forum for a while and this thread has made me join up so I can have a say!
I agree with Phillip, that as a one eyed tiger supporter, that I am sick of hearing about us being on the right track!!
If we had been on the right track for the last 10 years as they have been saying, surely we would have seen some results on the field, as really they are the only results that matter.
Financially we may not be in the best position but put some wins on the board and that would change very quickly, how can you continue to market a product that is just promises and never delivers results.
Making change for change sake, why don't you want change! Everybody was happy to make Terry Wallace accountable, why not the board? Are you happy with 15th in 2011 9th in 2012 15th in 2013 and then watch Damien Hardwick get sacked and start all over again. Lets not forget that Damien Hardwick is accountable to the same board that Terry Wallace was accountable to and they obviously ok'd everything that Terry Wallace was doing. Do we just wait until it fails again and listen to the speel over and over.
Why isn't the board accountable for losses, until we start winning some games I will keep voting for change.
I would like to know from Phillip exactly what he thinks he can do to help Richmond put wins on the board, in what way does he feel the board is not performing? What are they not doing that he thinks he can do better?
We all want the same thing in the end, a premeirship, and expecting anything less from our board is letting our team down.
Thanks for letting me rant
You raise an interesting point here, tigersrus, about the board being accountable, particularly in regards to coach and football department staff appointments.
I think board does need to be accountable for the decisions they make. Look at Essendon. They appointed knights, then gave him a new contract and shortly after sacked him. To me in these situations the board has to take as much responsibility as the person they appoint, if not more.
For a long time at Richmond this was also the case, coach after coach falling on the sword while the board continued to make the wrong decisions, never seemingly being accountable or learning from their mistakes.
The appointment of Hardwick, or more specifically the process that led to his appointment, was the most thorough and professional seen in the AFL. Not a job for one of the boys or an appointment made on the pre conceptions of board members as to who it should be but a process designed to determine the best man for the task ahead. (as Essendon seem to have done)
This shows me that not only is the club headed in the right direction, but that the decision makers had indeed learned for their mistakes of the past. In life you (should) learn more from mistakes than getting it right - and everyone will make mistakes. The real worry is when the same mistakes are repeated, such as we have seen for the last 30 odd years.
You are right in that we shouldn't be afraid of change, something that does seem to be human nature. By the same token, change for the sake of change should not be embraced.
For the first time in ages the club seems to have off field stability, unity and real direction. If someone else thinks they can bring something to the table and improve on the current board then all well and good. The onus now, though, is on them to convince the members what exactly it is is they offer, rather than concentrating on past failures of the board to get themselves elected.
This can only be a good thing and is what Philip or anyone else who wants a position at the table needs to do.
I think to vote for a board change based on the clubs win/loss ratio is .... a bit myopic (?), particlaly when you look at the bigger picture and the change that could be seen on field, even if that is yet to transform into results. Considering where we are coming from, we still have to be patient in this regard. Impatient decisions are often bad decisions.
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personally i think when choice is available the only winner is our football club...i want to see the best people represent richmond and that can only be done when we encourage our faithfull to speak up and make a stand.
i agree completely. And this is exactly why this Phil bloke is so disappointing. he has nothing to say, he wont answer questions, he posts the same on here and other sites and he is all hyperbole and fluff.
Listen you old bastard
You know I love you dearly but...
FFS give it a rest.
:lol
yeah gigantor, pipe down!
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I have added more information to my Blog and Twitter over the past few days.
Topics covered are as follows:
Sponsorship
Lack of Success is Not OK
Richmond First Mentality
Please refer to my blog at:
http://philipandersontigers.wordpress.com/
I will however cut and paste these into separate posts to make it easier to read for those that do not wish to refer to my blog
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Richmond First Mentality
When we look to our playing list the thing that we admire most is when a player takes his turn to put his body on the line for his footy club no matter the pressure that is within telling him not to. This is the making of a good footballer. For our footy club this means Richmond First. What we require from our board is an uncompromising attitude of Richmond First. This mentality must be shown to our players our staff and our supporters from the board down. We must have a Richmond First mentality, we must show strength and when we show an uncompromising attitude off the field to be the best then we can start to fill our whole club with this belief. With this belief comes success. If I am elected to the Richmond board you will get a Richmond First mentality.
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Lack of Success is Not OK
Over the past week, since announcing my nomination for the Richmond Football Club Board, I am seeing some enthusiasm for how we finished off the last half of last season.
Fair enough, we started playing some good footy at times and we won 6 games out of the last 13.
I have even had some people say to me that by finishing 15th last year we are in much better shape than finishing 12th in 2005.
Remembering back to 2005 there were the Fab 5 that we had recruited and they had just completed their first season of AFL. Was there optimism about our footy club back then? Of course there was! There is nothing wrong with optimism, but it must be realistic optimism.
The Fab 5 that we recruited were:
Pick 1 Brett Deledio
Pick 4 Richard Tambling
Pick 12 Danny Meyer (Brad Ottens Trade)
Pick 16 Adam Pattison (Brad Ottens Trade)
Pick 20 Dean Polo
We were very optimistic that we were going forward with a strong future. We had just won 10 games and losing 12 games from our 2005 season and we were sure that we were going to play finals in 2006. I don’t need to remind you that now only Brett Deledio remains of the Fab 5.
Let me bring some currency into the blog. After round 9 this year the media were comparing us with Fitzroy. Fitzroy! Don’t forget this was only 6 months ago. There was talk of priority draft selections to be given to us just because we were so bad.
Richmond finished 15th this year with 6 wins and 16 losses.
Let me be very clear about my position – 15th is not OK and I don’t believe that it should be OK to the loyal Richmond supporters.
My concern is that due to the extended period that we have had a lack of success, that we as Richmond faithful are being made immune to the feelings of success itself.
Hence we as supporters are starting to grapple at straws and hence why I am hearing that 15th this year is better than 12th in 2005.
My comment is that 12th in 2005 was not OK and neither is 15th in 2010!
If we are thinking about anything other than 1st then we are on the wrong train.
Until we take stock and compare our football teams performance with every other club in the AFL and realise that we are the worst performing team in the last 10, 20 and 30 years then, and only then, can we make real gains.
You must go into the “room full of mirrors” to take a good long hard look at yourself when it comes time to make real gains in performance or to make real changes. You must understand where you are commencing the journey from to understand what you need to do to arrive at your destination.
The Richmond board must go into the “room full of mirrors” and understand that our lack of success is not ok.
We now require strength and realism to to be a key part of the Richmond board.
This will provide us ultimate success.
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Sponsorship
At the time of writing, our two major sponsors of 2010 in idiot Smith and Luxbet have decided to reduce their sponsorship level with the Richmond Football Club going forward.
Sponsorship becomes a key issue today and tomorrow at Richmond and a critical area that must be addressed at board level.
If I was elected to the board of the Richmond Football Club one of my key areas of focus would be to ensure that we reviewed the value proposition that we present to each of our sponsors individually to ensure that this is seen as valuable by both parties ongoing. I would also assist to develop strategies to ensure that these sponsorships are re-signed.
A sponsor must see value for money such that they automatically renew or even preferable, upgrade their sponsorship level with us at the end of the contractual arrangement.
Additional to the above, the sponsors that we have on board must be offered first right of refusal to renew their sponsorship agreement such that an ongoing relationship is maintained with each sponsor.
We are in a very competitive environment and with two new teams entering the AFL competition it makes competing for sponsors an even greater issue, therefore retaining the sponsors that we currently have signed becomes a significant priority whilst at the same time developing new relationships for the future.
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Sorry Philip, I read the blogs and re-read what you've posted here
And still NO vote from me.
The "lack of Success" post is fear mongering at best IMHO
Re: Sponsorship - "A sponsor must see value for money such that they automatically renew or even preferable, upgrade their sponsorship level with us at the end of the contractual arrangement." Put simply this is easier said than done and this I know from first hand experience
Also, you're comments about a "Richmond First Mentality" funny but I thought the Benny Gale strategic plan signed off by the current board actually covers off everything you've said....
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Lack of Success is Not OK
Over the past week, since announcing my nomination for the Richmond Football Club Board, I am seeing some enthusiasm for how we finished off the last half of last season.
Fair enough, we started playing some good footy at times and we won 6 games out of the last 13.
I have even had some people say to me that by finishing 15th last year we are in much better shape than finishing 12th in 2005.
Remembering back to 2005 there were the Fab 5 that we had recruited and they had just completed their first season of AFL. Was there optimism about our footy club back then? Of course there was! There is nothing wrong with optimism, but it must be realistic optimism.
The Fab 5 that we recruited were:
Pick 1 Brett Deledio
Pick 4 Richard Tambling
Pick 12 Danny Meyer (Brad Ottens Trade)
Pick 16 Adam Pattison (Brad Ottens Trade)
Pick 20 Dean Polo
We were very optimistic that we were going forward with a strong future. We had just won 10 games and losing 12 games from our 2005 season and we were sure that we were going to play finals in 2006. I don’t need to remind you that now only Brett Deledio remains of the Fab 5.
Let me bring some currency into the blog. After round 9 this year the media were comparing us with Fitzroy. Fitzroy! Don’t forget this was only 6 months ago. There was talk of priority draft selections to be given to us just because we were so bad.
Richmond finished 15th this year with 6 wins and 16 losses.
Let me be very clear about my position – 15th is not OK and I don’t believe that it should be OK to the loyal Richmond supporters.
My concern is that due to the extended period that we have had a lack of success, that we as Richmond faithful are being made immune to the feelings of success itself.
Hence we as supporters are starting to grapple at straws and hence why I am hearing that 15th this year is better than 12th in 2005.
My comment is that 12th in 2005 was not OK and neither is 15th in 2010!
If we are thinking about anything other than 1st then we are on the wrong train.
Until we take stock and compare our football teams performance with every other club in the AFL and realise that we are the worst performing team in the last 10, 20 and 30 years then, and only then, can we make real gains.
You must go into the “room full of mirrors” to take a good long hard look at yourself when it comes time to make real gains in performance or to make real changes. You must understand where you are commencing the journey from to understand what you need to do to arrive at your destination.
The Richmond board must go into the “room full of mirrors” and understand that our lack of success is not ok.
We now require strength and realism to to be a key part of the Richmond board.
This will provide us ultimate success.
Phil, this really concerns me.
Lack of sucess is not accepted by me. I'm loathe to have the pretense i can speak for others, but I would be very surprised if there are many that feel different.
What concerns me most about this post is that it indicates impatientce and a lack of understanding about what it takes to get from where we were at the end of of 2009 to where we all the club to be.
You seem to be indicating that our performance this year was not good enough and as such something needs to change.
Could you please enlighten us as to what path the club should take to claw our way out of the mire quicker?
Sure we all would love to have won the premiership this year, but the vast majority were realistic enough to know that was not gunna happen, nor will it it 2011 and if it did in 2012 it would be a huge surprise.
Does this make me happy? no. Do i accept this? Yes, not because i accept failure, but because I understand where we are coming from and where we want to get to will not happen quickly.
A new coaching regime, a cleanout of old has beens and never weres, a swag of kid recruited and given game time, establishment of team rules that set an attitude that has been missing for god knows how long and you want to gripe about the ladder result for the year in an attempt to gain a spot on the board.
Serously mate, WTF are you on?
If you cant see the improvement on the field this year from last then you should not be anywhere near a football club.
I read this crap and i now will have nightmares tonight about the club straying from the path it is on and going back to short sighted decisions in an attempt to win more games to keep people like yourself happy.
Your whole campaign reeks of a political campaign - strategically released "policies" over time rather than answering questions and a splattering of ill conceived fear mongering ( as WP pointed out).
Right about now your chances of getting a vote from me is about the same as if some of the idiots that post on these forums would have if they ran for the board.
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Right about now your chances of getting a vote from me is about the same as if some of the idiots that post on these forums would have if they ran for the board.
So much for that idea then :(
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Sorry Phil, I ain't buying.
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Lack of Success is Not OK
Over the past week, since announcing my nomination for the Richmond Football Club Board, I am seeing some enthusiasm for how we finished off the last half of last season.
Fair enough, we started playing some good footy at times and we won 6 games out of the last 13.
I have even had some people say to me that by finishing 15th last year we are in much better shape than finishing 12th in 2005.
Remembering back to 2005 there were the Fab 5 that we had recruited and they had just completed their first season of AFL. Was there optimism about our footy club back then? Of course there was! There is nothing wrong with optimism, but it must be realistic optimism.
The Fab 5 that we recruited were:
Pick 1 Brett Deledio
Pick 4 Richard Tambling
Pick 12 Danny Meyer (Brad Ottens Trade)
Pick 16 Adam Pattison (Brad Ottens Trade)
Pick 20 Dean Polo
We were very optimistic that we were going forward with a strong future. We had just won 10 games and losing 12 games from our 2005 season and we were sure that we were going to play finals in 2006. I don’t need to remind you that now only Brett Deledio remains of the Fab 5.
Let me bring some currency into the blog. After round 9 this year the media were comparing us with Fitzroy. Fitzroy! Don’t forget this was only 6 months ago. There was talk of priority draft selections to be given to us just because we were so bad.
Richmond finished 15th this year with 6 wins and 16 losses.
Let me be very clear about my position – 15th is not OK and I don’t believe that it should be OK to the loyal Richmond supporters.
My concern is that due to the extended period that we have had a lack of success, that we as Richmond faithful are being made immune to the feelings of success itself.
Hence we as supporters are starting to grapple at straws and hence why I am hearing that 15th this year is better than 12th in 2005.
My comment is that 12th in 2005 was not OK and neither is 15th in 2010!
If we are thinking about anything other than 1st then we are on the wrong train.
Until we take stock and compare our football teams performance with every other club in the AFL and realise that we are the worst performing team in the last 10, 20 and 30 years then, and only then, can we make real gains.
You must go into the “room full of mirrors” to take a good long hard look at yourself when it comes time to make real gains in performance or to make real changes. You must understand where you are commencing the journey from to understand what you need to do to arrive at your destination.
The Richmond board must go into the “room full of mirrors” and understand that our lack of success is not ok.
We now require strength and realism to to be a key part of the Richmond board.
This will provide us ultimate success.
Dude, what are you on??
How are you going to improve our on field performance overnight? I believe that the lack of success is not O.K but I also believe that short term fixes have been the root of the problem for the last 20 years.
How do you propose to get us to the top of the ladder next year?
Should we cut all our players now and just buy a whole new team?
Surely even you can see the club is rebuilding from the ground up, let it run it's course with the kids and we will keep improving, start drafting has been wanna be hacks again and the club will go to hell again.
I can see us finishing anywhere between 15th and 9th next season, I would be happy with that as long as there was some improvement, if we manage to finish in the eight I would be elated!
but surely this is not realistic prospect considering the average age and lack of experience of our current list.
I personally am happy where the club is at the moment, as long as we have learnt from past mistakes and stick with the plan I can see us playing finals again sooner rather than later, if we have to wait another 2 or 3 years then so be it!
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Ha, it took me that long to write the reply I should have just wrote "What Al said" ;D ;D
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Right about now your chances of getting a vote from me is about the same as if some of the idiots that post on these forums would have if they ran for the board.
So much for that idea then :(
:lol
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Unlike a lot of the posts about on-field success I do NOT believe the board should be involved in the daily operation of the footy department.
I think it is one of the key reasons why clubs fail, Board members running around interfering in areas they have no idea about.
IMO the board is there to arrange and oversee the finances to best advantage the club in hiring the best people and letting them do the job.
This does NOT mean hiring people, regardless of their reputation, to any more than 3 year contracts.
Wallace was hired on a five year contract and even after it became clear it was too long, the board then hired Craig Cameron on a five year contract and then promoted him during his first year.
They also set the culture within the admin side of the business to be a healthy, respectful, transparent and equitable workplace. The same aims that the footy coaches have.
In terms of sponsorship, the most marketable asset we have are the players and yet when Miller was criticised for going over budget by half a million back in 2004, his response was that he was going to cut back on marketing money paid to players. NOTHING was said by the board publicly in reponse to this stupid, petty response from an employee (before he was elected with the highest vote from members). Is this restriction to our marketing in place today?
During the Casey regime in 2004 the club incurred the debt that is still sitting there despite the great efforts of Steven Wright.
March was the Vice president and then became president.
Gary Cameron was and remains today the Treasurer.
March and Cameron have never explained what the hell they were doing while the club lost SEVEN MILLION dollars in one year.
New board directors came on board to supposedly fix our financial oversight.
As far as I know this oversight has never been explained to the members in any meaningful way.
Possibly with good reason, the membership are treated like a nuisance or financial idiots by (ALL) the board.
This is what annoys me most, there is very little transparency about the finances, procedures and responsibilities at the board or senior management level.
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Sorry Phil, I ain't buying.
x 2.
Phil, I appreciate your obvious strong feelings for the club and your desire to drive improvement and success but as Al said, you come across as someone who has no idea of the critical need for planning and method, rather someone who is like some of our posters on here who take the Chicken Little reactive approach to any situation. Over the past 30 years we got ourselves in the situation we are now climbing out of by doing exactly what you propose - plenty of rah rah rah, emotion piled on thoughtless action. We paid little or no respect to the need for a sound 'whole of club' planning approach in all areas - finance, leadership, accountability, communication, football, membership etc. And all I read in your posts is a return to the same.
Since we rid ourselves of the final years of what I call "The Cancer Years" - Clinton Casey and his deplorable egotistical reign - we have taken slow steps forward on our road to 'recovery' in all areas of our club. We haven't always got those steps right but we appear to be doing something now that we could not have been accused of in many of those previous 25 years - learning from our mistakes. Miller made mistakes, Wallace was a mistake, Ian Campbell was a mistake, but overall and despite all of that our financial ship is righting itself, our football ship is righting itself, our communication ship is righting itself, our management ship is righting itself, and in doing that our respect is returning - self respect within the club and public respect outside it. I found it interesting that you quoted the media's response to our position at the end of Round 9 this year. It was the usual muck-raking sensationalist elements in the media and the ignorant supporters craving instant gratification who showed a lack of trust and respect and they were made to look stupid and incompetent dills when the inevitable (and obvious to a damn lot of us) started to happen from Round 10 onwards. By the end of the season the respect stood tall and the media pack had moved on looking for softer targets. And of course, you couldn't find a nay-sayer among our supporters if you paid them.
So in summary, I dispute your need for action, I dispute your reasons for standing, and I dispute your opinion of the current performance and direction of our club. I applaud you for taking action on what you perceive to be a problem but I can't vote for you.
:gotigers
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I hear where your coming from Phil and hate being unsuccessful but we / I know ( took 30 years) that there are no short term fixes and I get the feeling thats what your suggesting. It hurts but we believe it will take good planning, development and work to rise again bur some can see the vision and plan taking shape.
No sponsor does concerns me a little but as the club seems comfortable with their progress . I have learn they usually have it hand these days. ( normal business to keep quite )
Anyway I do appreciate you putting yourself out there for criticism.
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Funny how people hate the democratic process in a football club. There are a few on our board - including the President - who wouldve been sacked many years ago with the results they dished up. I love how all the blame is directed at Casey but not telflon March.
Still, the time to challenge has passed it needed to be done at the end of 2008 when the club was in total disarray-Wallace, Miller, Free, March - it was a disgrace and the entire competition thought we were a joke.
The "sacking" of Wallace by Newman took our amateurish running of the club to a new level - one player who had come from another club described it as one of the most unbelievable things he had seen at a club at any level.
Let's hope it has passed because no one looked good in a very dark hour at the club.
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Gaming Machines
Some people say that we must have more of them because they add significant revenue to our Football Club. Others say that Gaming Machines are a scourge on society and we should remove these now.
For mine this is a very difficult and sensitive area to touch on.
I absolutely see both points of view, so what does this mean that we should do.
Richmond receives revenue from Gaming Machine licences that it holds and this revenue is very important to our club at this time. Revenue that we could not replace easily if we ceased owning the licences.
Along with Gaming Machine licences comes legal responsibilities, but it is with our social responsibilities that we, as a leading club in the AFL, must excel.
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You're a genius, Phil. You've got my vote :lol
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Don't worry Phil, Davey voted to legalise incest and is taking the p1ss out of you but you've got my vote.
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true story boys :thumbsup
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Money should overrule principles and ethics, which is what u are suggesting, i think, Phil.
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Phil, how do you feel about celebrity ambassadors and number #1 ticket holders playing a marketing role for the club, and furthermore how do you feel about Gary Busey performing such a role? Obviously it would have to be part time.
thanks,
gg
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Phil, how do you feel about celebrity ambassadors and number #1 ticket holders playing a marketing role for the club, and furthermore how do you feel about Gary Busey performing such a role? Obviously it would have to be part time.
thanks,
gg
I reckon Busey could slot in at half back, Gerki!
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I feel his talents would be severely underutilised in that role Carvel. I also feel you are not taking this seriously.
Philip, what do you think? Could he play half back? How do you feel about celebrities making guest appearances in the side? I've always wanted to see Elle McPherson take on 18 guys.
thanks,
gg
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Elle is probably outside of our age requirements. maybe a younger model.
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Gaming Machines
Some people say that we must have more of them because they add significant revenue to our Football Club. Others say that Gaming Machines are a scourge on society and we should remove these now.
For mine this is a very difficult and sensitive area to touch on.
I absolutely see both points of view, so what does this mean that we should do.
Richmond receives revenue from Gaming Machine licences that it holds and this revenue is very important to our club at this time. Revenue that we could not replace easily if we ceased owning the licences.
Along with Gaming Machine licences comes legal responsibilities, but it is with our social responsibilities that we, as a leading club in the AFL, must excel.
You definitely could make a career in politics with an answer like that
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yep, the art of saying nothing :banghead
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Elle is probably outside of our age requirements. maybe a younger model.
mature age nookie list ;)
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VFL Stand-Alone Teams
In the 2011 season there will be 3 AFL teams that will not have VFL affiliations.
These teams are:
Collingwood
Geelong
Gold Coast
Why is this worth noting? Well taking the Gold Coast away from this exercise as they are first year entrants in 2011, Collingwood won the 2010 premiership and Geelong won the 2009 and 2007 premierships. This statistic alone is one that we at Richmond should take serious note. Three of the past four premierships have been won by teams that have a stand alone VFL team.
What this shows is that there are significant benefits to having a stand alone team in the VFL. Whether this is improved player development or just having full and complete control of your reserves team that has allowed Collingwood and Geelong a greater advantage in the AFL competition, whatever the case may be, we must take stock.
Now that the Gold Coast are entering the AFL competition in 2011, they have kept their stand-alone VFL team. Will this mean that they too will show improvement at a greater pace than other teams? This is to be seen going forward. Suffice to say we should nullify the competitive advantage that these 3 teams will have as soon as possible.
This is very easy to say that yes Richmond must be have a stand alone team in the VFL competition, but the real fact of the matter is that this exercise comes with a significant cost. My understanding is that this is in the form of approximately $400,000 per year to run this team.
I wish to state that I believe that Richmond should be a team working towards this goal. The major proviso here is that we must be able to pay for this without incurring further debt. I might add that we must clear our debt prior to venturing down this path.
I am an advocate for a stand alone Richmond VFL team as soon as fiscally possible.
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Where should they play, Phil? Coburg, Craigieburn or Punt Road?
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Where should they play, Phil? Coburg, Craigieburn or Punt Road?
My preference would be Punt Road, as we will have had some time to develop our ground prior to this taking place. I am not sure how this would work logistically, so I would probably engage the Richmond Football department to determine that this would be of benefit. As we have invested in a relationship with Craigieburn it might be also possible to split the home games between Punt Road and Craigieburn.
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VFL Stand-Alone Teams
In the 2011 season there will be 3 AFL teams that will not have VFL affiliations.
These teams are:
Collingwood
Geelong
Gold Coast
Hmmm........ I think you will find that the Gold Coast wont be in the VFL comp in 2011 but a new comp being launched along the eastern seaboard
I wish to state that I believe that Richmond should be a team working towards this goal. The major proviso here is that we must be able to pay for this without incurring further debt. I might add that we must clear our debt prior to venturing down this path.
All well and good and most people would be saying "yep great idea, agree".
However, you have yet to answer yhe one question that keeps getting directed your way and that is the "hows".
And the "hows" I am talking about are how do you plan to increase revenues, how do plan to payback the debt etc etc. To be honest I am sick of asking
You say no stand alone VFL team until the debt is gone (and your figures on running our own VFL club are near the mark) but in all your posts here and on your blog uyou haven't offered one solid idea on how we get rid of the debt and increase the revenues to makes this all possible
It's all just more of the same - this is what we should be doing but nothing on how we should go about doing it ::)
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VFL Stand-Alone Teams
I wish to state that I believe that Richmond should be a team working towards this goal. The major proviso here is that we must be able to pay for this without incurring further debt. I might add that we must clear our debt prior to venturing down this path.
I am an advocate for a stand alone Richmond VFL team as soon as fiscally possible.
How do you know that the current board aren't working towards the same goal.
Actually i know for a fact that it has be discussed at great length and is an almost certainty to happen when it is a viable path to take.
Jumping the gun is something that should be frowned upon when it comes to The RFC.
Also i think that it would be smart business to not only to wait until our debt is cleared but when we are in the black by a fair bit of coinage.
Change for the sake of change is something that needs to change.
Sorry if i sound negative Phil, im not against you.
But you need to remember alot of supporters feel comfortable with the direction and stability the club is showing at the moment.
Some of us think we can see the bigger picture ( me included ) and for a change we aren't feeling as nervous as years prior.
So you can see our hesitance in electing somebody that comes across as though they belong on the board 10 years ago.
Alot of the goals you have outline are actually some that the club are currently trying to achieve.
We need the bigger picture of how Phil Anderson will help the current board move forward. :)
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I dont reckon we are gonna get anything other than typical polly hyperbole from these wannabes.
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During the Casey regime in 2004 the club incurred the debt that is still sitting there despite the great efforts of Steven Wright.
March was the Vice president and then became president.
Gary Cameron was and remains today the Treasurer.
March and Cameron have never explained what the hell they were doing while the club lost SEVEN MILLION dollars in one year.
New board directors came on board to supposedly fix our financial oversight.
As far as I know this oversight has never been explained to the members in any meaningful way.
Incorrect on my part.
On reading the 2010 Concise Financial Report, I see that Rob Dalton was appointed Treasurer in 2008.
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IMHO
Phil has no chance of getting on the board
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March and Cameron have never explained what the hell they were doing while the club lost SEVEN MILLION dollars in one year.
What year was this?
I remember the $2.2m loss in 2004. Can't recall $7m.
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We lost $800k in 2003 and as FF said $2.2m in 2004. The loses were due to a large fall in corporate sponsorship at the time when the then Board was expecting a signficant rise, loss in gaming revenue plus them spending more on Frawley's footy dept. in a (deluded) hope they could buy improved form on-field. So total losses of $3m. Prior to that we made profits in 2001-2, a loss in 2000 and then 12 years of consecutive profits 1988-1999. The mid-80s of course was the financial disaster zone that we are only now 25 years later seeing the other side of. You don't recover quickly from losses equivalent to $17m in today's money. That's why our players have had to train in basically 1970s standard facilities until recently with the new redevelopments.
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March and Cameron have never explained what the hell they were doing while the club lost SEVEN MILLION dollars in one year.
What year was this?
I remember the $2.2m loss in 2004. Can't recall $7m.
Probably cause it never happened
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March and Cameron have never explained what the hell they were doing while the club lost SEVEN MILLION dollars in one year.
What year was this?
I remember the $2.2m loss in 2004. Can't recall $7m.
Probably cause it never happened
Sorry, my error. The seven million figure that stuck in my mind was what the debt reached at end of 2004.
2004 Financial Report "Current Liabilities $7. 06 million."
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I wonder if Phil will continue to contribute to the fan sites after he loses the election, or whether he will abandon his newfound social media skills and disappear back to where he came from?
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I wonder if Phil will continue to contribute to the fan sites after he loses the election, or whether he will abandon his newfound social media skills and disappear back to where he came from?
Undisclosed mediocrity is never a good starting point for a tenure.
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I wonder if Phil will continue to contribute to the fan sites after he loses the election, or whether he will abandon his newfound social media skills and disappear back to where he came from?
I honestly dont blame him for not wanting to converse with some around here. He is obviously not here to pick a fight with members at this forum. However, some people around here on the other hand I'm not so sure. Looks like they are happy to pick a fight with whoever. Sorry, just my observation.
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I wonder if Phil will continue to contribute to the fan sites after he loses the election, or whether he will abandon his newfound social media skills and disappear back to where he came from?
I honestly dont blame him for not wanting to converse with some around here. He is obviously not here to pick a fight with members at this forum. However, some people around here on the other hand I'm not so sure. Looks like they are happy to pick a fight with whoever. Sorry, just my observation.
I dont think it is so much about 'picking fights', more to do with the fact that some on this forum have valid questions surrounding Phil's campaign, and would like solid answers on how he plans to achieve what he promises as opposed to dodging the questions or answering them in a very round-a-bout way.
If he has put himself out there (by joining numerous forums) to get votes off the tiger faithful, then he should be well prepared to answer the questions required to gain there votes.
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OK, i have thought about this, and I can't possibly vote for either of the web wizards. they have cynically used the fansites to post repetitive rhetoric about their campaigns. They probably werent on these sites before they decided to run and they probably wont be back. Phil just cuts and pastes and doesnt answer questions. Neil has trashed the board and the club and drawn unwanted negative press.
good riddance to both of them
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I dont think it is so much about 'picking fights', more to do with the fact that some on this forum have valid questions surrounding Phil's campaign, and would like solid answers on how he plans to achieve what he promises as opposed to dodging the questions or answering them in a very round-a-bout way.
If he has put himself out there (by joining numerous forums) to get votes off the tiger faithful, then he should be well prepared to answer the questions required to gain there votes.
I hear what you are saying. I'm very suspicious the only reason we got a question & answer session from Gary was because a thread like this was started. I'm just think some take pleasure in trying to shoot down the one person that wants to at least open the lines of debate. Sounds like to me he is a listener. I quite like the thought of somebody on our board who wants to listen.
Look at times I'm sure we all will let our passion get the better of us. But I want the answers from the current board first. How long have some of them been there? I know next to nothing about them. Where are their answers to the questions? At least this bloke gets Gary to the table to hear his answers.
I loved that Q&A session, made my week. However, according to Gary in his Q&A he prefers a policy of gagging our board on social media and forums. Sorry, but to me thats a backward way of thinking. He wants to gag them from the very people, the Tiger faithful that they are meant to represent via our votes. That does not sound like a way to think in 2010. :gotigers
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You should go to the AGM if you want to raise and discuss issues with board members. Or ring them up and have a chat.
Social media is not where the club should be airing its laundry mate. Not now, not ever.
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I hear what you are saying. I'm very suspicious the only reason we got a question & answer session from Gary was because a thread like this was started.
If you thought March organised a Q&A session on local media because threads like this started on fan forums then you are seriously out of touch with the reality.
I'm just think some take pleasure in trying to shoot down the one person that wants to at least open the lines of debate.
Only one poster (Carvels Ring) jumped on his case from the start as I read it. Go back over the posts and point out to me one that didn't give Phil Anderson the benefit of doubt by asking questions of him first. It was his responses that most didn't like and luckily for us, that's just how it is in a democracy.
Sounds like to me he is a listener. I quite like the thought of somebody on our board who wants to listen.
The more of his posts I read, the more he sounded like a whinger to me, not a listener. He didn't listen to one question that was being asked of him, just whinged and bleated about past mistakes.
Look at times I'm sure we all will let our passion get the better of us. But I want the answers from the current board first. How long have some of them been there? I know next to nothing about them. Where are their answers to the questions? At least this bloke gets Gary to the table to hear his answers.
He has done nothing of the sort. The club has been very pro-active in recent times from most members of the executive, directly addressing the need to keep our members and supporters more informed and engaged with the club. Gale, Cameron, Jackson have all had a crack and now March. That's small steps forward in reality but giant steps forward in attitude. Phil Anderson and his forum posts have not made one scrap of difference to this shift in attitude by the club that began very soon after Gale was appointed.
I loved that Q&A session, made my week. However, according to Gary in his Q&A he prefers a policy of gagging our board on social media and forums. Sorry, but to me thats a backward way of thinking. He wants to gag them from the very people, the Tiger faithful that they are meant to represent via our votes. That does not sound like a way to think in 2010. :gotigers
Did you like the other Q&A sessions I also mentioned? And as for March "preferring a policy of gagging our board on social and media forums"? Get your facts right before you dribble crap. Here is what was posted:
As part of the election process the board decided not to endorse any candidates and let the members decide. Board and Richmond Football Club policy does not allow board members or staff to post on forums for governance and confidentiality reasons however this year, RFC_Official came on board to keep our members continually informed of what was happening at the club.
The board decided not to endorse any candidates. Means that the new guys get a fair crack, a level playing field. How much fairer can you get than that?
The RFC policy does not allow board members or staff to post on forums for governance and confidentially reasons. How on earth is that March "preferring a policy of gagging our board on social and media forums"? How many times have we gone off our nuts in here for supposed 'leaks' in the club - and yet you lambast March for stating the policy of the club in NOT allowing board members to chat on social media?
RFC_Official came on board to keep our members continually informed of what was happening at the club. More communication by the club and not driven or influenced by Phil Anderson in any way shape or form.
You demand questions of the board and complain about knowing next to nothing about them, all the while sticking up for someone who has provided no more answers or information to you, more has just used the social media format to give voice to his gripe. If you want to find out about any of the current board members then have a look on the club website, they all have a short bio outlining their history with the board and also their commercial connections. If you want to find out more on them then it's just not hard to find out a lot more on any of them by using Google, after all, there is a fair bit about each of them in the public domain. Phil Anderson and Neil McKay have a walk up start in getting their message out to the public because they are not restricted by any club policy but you seem to think this reflects badly on the 3 incumbents! Give them a call, send them an email if you can't decide because you don't have enough information. At least you will know who is fair dinkum if any respond.
As I see it, if you don't have a plan or an intent to fix the problem then shut up complaining about it in the first place. And I haven't seen one plan or act of intent from either new candidate. And I happen to think that the board is getting it's act together - slowly and not without a few bumps - but the direction is right, the plan is sound, and the action is solid. Pretty simple choice really.
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I didn't think I was too bad :-\
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I didn't think I was too bad :-\
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Nah, I've seen worse! ;)
Before I replied I went back over the threads to see if I was missing something, if my perception was skewed. That's when I noticed that you were onto Phil from the start but I think everyone that responded did so in the same manner and that was to ask what he was going to change or bring to the table. His responses were very disappointing to say the least and everyone bar a couple seemed to see that.
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oh dear, i started a frenzy :-\
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oh dear, i started a frenzy :-\
:lol :rollin ;D
Actually I dont think anyone wanted to start a fight with Phillip
What people wanted was answers to very valid questios and what we've got from day 1 is not one direct answer on how he was going to fix things or why any of us should vote for him.
He lost me after day 1 with his fear mongering and continual avoidance of direct answers
But if that to some means I was looking top start a fight ..then I'll happily put my hand up and say GUILTY :rollin
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WP mate, you are a troublemaker!
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But if that to some means I was looking top start a fight ..then I'll happily put my hand up and say GUILTY :rollin
Stick to the topic ppl! :banghead
Hah, I've always wanted to say that!! ;D ;D ;D
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Smokey, you have moderator potential! :clapping
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All,
Let me state from the outset that I do not believe that people are out to pick a fight - some are just more passionate than others. After all we are all passionate tiger people. Directed passion is good for this forum and it is good for our footy club.
Re-stating my objectives when I nominated, my goal was to bring the Richmond supporter/member into a social media conversation. For the very first time our election was being conducted on line so this made sense. This was certainly undertaken on a number of forum sites and yes it is true a number of my posts have been duplicated as they were written on my blog - which was the major reason for commencing the campaign was to drive readers eyes to my blog. I hope that you are all viewing this as well.
One of the things that came about was there were a number of common questions and comments from a range of sites and these answers were placed on my blog and not individually on each forum site. These answers came about from me listening to what people have had to say.
On the issue of sponsorship - I have had discussions with a number of current Richmond sponsors already and I am gaining a better understanding as to what we must do with respect to our positioning going forward - suffice to say is that I am taking a pro-active approach about this. Being involved with international business as well as domestic business, I have some ideas that will assist the Richmond Football Club to further our involvement in the sponsorship arena as well.
On the issue of debt - I am not privy to the plan that the Richmond board are working on currently as it will not be ready till February 2011. If I am elected to the board then I will be made aware of this plan as it stands and only then will I be able to comment on it and assist with its development. So what can I say here? My only statement with respect to debt is that it must be eradicated to ensure the long term financial stability of our club. What is my plan to eradicate debt. This is a moot point as I am told that there is already a plan that is being worked on, just can't tell me what it is. So all I can say here is that when I get to see it then I can comment. The key issue here is that the debt has been in place for a long time and it is only this year that we have decided to do something about it. If this is negative, I do not detract from this. The interest bill alone on this debt would be somewhere near $2,000,000 over the past 6 years or so. I feel that this is something worth standing up for.
On the issue of a stand alone VFL club - this is very important. We will progress our players at a faster rate by having full control over our own team. We will get more people taking an interest in our VFL team watching a Richmond jumper rather than a Coburg jumper. Having all our kids playing in the one VFL team will draw a greater audience and if we play these games at punt road we can significantly benefit from our new facility with far greater revenues whilst being in full control of our costs for these events. Let me state that I have nothing against Coburg. Coburg is a fine club. I have also attended a number of games and lunches at Coburg watching our boys go round. The people involved with Coburg are good people, it is just that Richmond is Richmond and Coburg is not Richmond.
On the issue of Selling Home Games - this is very unfortunate that we have been forced to sell 2 home games this year. I understand why the board have gone down this path and it relates exclusively to our financial position. This takes me back to my position on debt. The board is ultimately responsible for the financial position of the Richmond Football Club. Our financial position is the result of board decisions over the past 5 years minimum. Again, the directors that are re-nominating have been on the board for 5, 6 and 8 years respectively. If we are being told that we have had to sell home games due to our financial position then we must look at those that have responsibility for our financial position. Again, if this appears negative then I do not detract from this either as our membership in Victoria expects to see and should see 11 home games in Melbourne.
Suffice to say that the social media play is not negative for the Richmond Football Club - on the contrary - if it highlights some of the issues that we have as a football club then they are on the table to address. Do you honestly think that the general membership would have had the opportunity to voice their opinion without it? Do you honestly think that this length and type of discussion is bad for us? If the 3 directors re-nominated without challenge do you think that we would be engaging like this?
I hope that if nothing else there is an element of ensuring that we deal with the important issues at our footy club - whether or not I have gained any of your votes I hope that 2 things occur:
1. That all 2010 Richmond adult members feel that our elections are worth voting in and voicing our opinions.
2. That the debate continues after the election to ensure that our board delivers on all of the points raised in the election.
Thank you for allowing me to contribute on oneeyed-richmond.com
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But if that to some means I was looking top start a fight ..then I'll happily put my hand up and say GUILTY :rollin
Stick to the topic ppl! :banghead
Hah, I've always wanted to say that!! ;D ;D ;D
Snip :banghead
No more insults.
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On the issue of debt - I am not privy to the plan that the Richmond board are working on currently as it will not be ready till February 2011. If I am elected to the board then I will be made aware of this plan as it stands and only then will I be able to comment on it and assist with its development. So what can I say here? My only statement with respect to debt is that it must be eradicated to ensure the long term financial stability of our club. What is my plan to eradicate debt. This is a moot point as I am told that there is already a plan that is being worked on, just can't tell me what it is. So all I can say here is that when I get to see it then I can comment.
You were asked about what you would do to fix the debt issue, not comment on the plan that you don't know about. We already know there is a plan to address the debt issue, so if you are happy that this plan is in place, then how can you consider the debt issue one of your platforms for election?
You have still offered nothing in regards to solutions, just pointing out the problems. I don't know how many times this needs to be mentioned.
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I'll vote in anyone who can organise to have Davey banned from this site. The man is a menace to society ;D
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I'll vote in anyone who can organise to have Davey banned from this site. The man is a menace to society ;D
You love me. Always have and always will
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I second PP's motion of banning Davey. He taught my poodle how to smoke cigarettes.
And Phil, what happened with Busey?
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Poodles like to smoke.
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On the issue of debt - I am not privy to the plan that the Richmond board are working on currently as it will not be ready till February 2011. If I am elected to the board then I will be made aware of this plan as it stands and only then will I be able to comment on it and assist with its development. So what can I say here? My only statement with respect to debt is that it must be eradicated to ensure the long term financial stability of our club. What is my plan to eradicate debt. This is a moot point as I am told that there is already a plan that is being worked on, just can't tell me what it is. So all I can say here is that when I get to see it then I can comment.
You were asked about what you would do to fix the debt issue, not comment on the plan that you don't know about. We already know there is a plan to address the debt issue, so if you are happy that this plan is in place, then how can you consider the debt issue one of your platforms for election?
You have still offered nothing in regards to solutions, just pointing out the problems. I don't know how many times this needs to be mentioned.
Have you seen the plan from the directors that are up for re-nomination? Are you critical of not seeing their plan for debt reduction as well? I am told that this will be in place by February 2011. Do you think that this is acceptable or would you like to see something on the table from them so that you know what you are voting for? Or is it ok to go on trust? Remembering that this debt has been in place for at least 6 previous elections without action.
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Phil, how do you feel about changing our mascot to a smoking poodle to sell more youth memberships?
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Phil ... all you need to do is come up with a couple of decent ideas and then people will know where your coming from thats all. By the way, it doesnt matter to me, I have already voted but If I was you Id be putting forward some ideas.
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Phil, how do you feel about changing our mascot to a smoking poodle to sell more youth memberships?
Your doing some mighty fine work in the forums these days Gerkin :clapping
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On the issue of debt - I am not privy to the plan that the Richmond board are working on currently as it will not be ready till February 2011. If I am elected to the board then I will be made aware of this plan as it stands and only then will I be able to comment on it and assist with its development. So what can I say here? My only statement with respect to debt is that it must be eradicated to ensure the long term financial stability of our club. What is my plan to eradicate debt. This is a moot point as I am told that there is already a plan that is being worked on, just can't tell me what it is. So all I can say here is that when I get to see it then I can comment.
You were asked about what you would do to fix the debt issue, not comment on the plan that you don't know about. We already know there is a plan to address the debt issue, so if you are happy that this plan is in place, then how can you consider the debt issue one of your platforms for election?
You have still offered nothing in regards to solutions, just pointing out the problems. I don't know how many times this needs to be mentioned.
Have you seen the plan from the directors that are up for re-nomination? Are you critical of not seeing their plan for debt reduction as well? I am told that this will be in place by February 2011. Do you think that this is acceptable or would you like to see something on the table from them so that you know what you are voting for? Or is it ok to go on trust? Remembering that this debt has been in place for at least 6 previous elections without action.
so what you are saying Phil is that we should trust you because you say your a good bloke. Is that it?
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Phil, how do you feel about changing our mascot to a smoking poodle to sell more youth memberships?
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2397/2210294433_27678104f3.jpg)
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On the issue of debt - I am not privy to the plan that the Richmond board are working on currently as it will not be ready till February 2011. If I am elected to the board then I will be made aware of this plan as it stands and only then will I be able to comment on it and assist with its development. So what can I say here? My only statement with respect to debt is that it must be eradicated to ensure the long term financial stability of our club. What is my plan to eradicate debt. This is a moot point as I am told that there is already a plan that is being worked on, just can't tell me what it is. So all I can say here is that when I get to see it then I can comment.
You were asked about what you would do to fix the debt issue, not comment on the plan that you don't know about. We already know there is a plan to address the debt issue, so if you are happy that this plan is in place, then how can you consider the debt issue one of your platforms for election?
You have still offered nothing in regards to solutions, just pointing out the problems. I don't know how many times this needs to be mentioned.
Have you seen the plan from the directors that are up for re-nomination? Are you critical of not seeing their plan for debt reduction as well? I am told that this will be in place by February 2011. Do you think that this is acceptable or would you like to see something on the table from them so that you know what you are voting for? Or is it ok to go on trust? Remembering that this debt has been in place for at least 6 previous elections without action.
so what you are saying Phil is that we should trust you because you say your a good bloke. Is that it?
I think that Phil is saying that people expect him to give out his plan for debt reduction prior to the election, but are happy to wait until Feb for the existing board to release their plan.
It's actually fair point, if I'm understanding it correctly.
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On the issue of debt - I am not privy to the plan that the Richmond board are working on currently as it will not be ready till February 2011. If I am elected to the board then I will be made aware of this plan as it stands and only then will I be able to comment on it and assist with its development. So what can I say here? My only statement with respect to debt is that it must be eradicated to ensure the long term financial stability of our club. What is my plan to eradicate debt. This is a moot point as I am told that there is already a plan that is being worked on, just can't tell me what it is. So all I can say here is that when I get to see it then I can comment.
You were asked about what you would do to fix the debt issue, not comment on the plan that you don't know about. We already know there is a plan to address the debt issue, so if you are happy that this plan is in place, then how can you consider the debt issue one of your platforms for election?
You have still offered nothing in regards to solutions, just pointing out the problems. I don't know how many times this needs to be mentioned.
Have you seen the plan from the directors that are up for re-nomination? Are you critical of not seeing their plan for debt reduction as well? I am told that this will be in place by February 2011. Do you think that this is acceptable or would you like to see something on the table from them so that you know what you are voting for? Or is it ok to go on trust? Remembering that this debt has been in place for at least 6 previous elections without action.
so what you are saying Phil is that we should trust you because you say your a good bloke. Is that it?
I think that Phil is saying that people expect him to give out his plan for debt reduction prior to the election, but are happy to wait until Feb for the existing board to release their plan.
It's actually fair point, if I'm understanding it correctly.
You are understanding this very correctly.
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On the issue of debt - I am not privy to the plan that the Richmond board are working on currently as it will not be ready till February 2011. If I am elected to the board then I will be made aware of this plan as it stands and only then will I be able to comment on it and assist with its development. So what can I say here? My only statement with respect to debt is that it must be eradicated to ensure the long term financial stability of our club. What is my plan to eradicate debt. This is a moot point as I am told that there is already a plan that is being worked on, just can't tell me what it is. So all I can say here is that when I get to see it then I can comment.
You were asked about what you would do to fix the debt issue, not comment on the plan that you don't know about. We already know there is a plan to address the debt issue, so if you are happy that this plan is in place, then how can you consider the debt issue one of your platforms for election?
You have still offered nothing in regards to solutions, just pointing out the problems. I don't know how many times this needs to be mentioned.
Have you seen the plan from the directors that are up for re-nomination? Are you critical of not seeing their plan for debt reduction as well? I am told that this will be in place by February 2011. Do you think that this is acceptable or would you like to see something on the table from them so that you know what you are voting for? Or is it ok to go on trust? Remembering that this debt has been in place for at least 6 previous elections without action.
so what you are saying Phil is that we should trust you because you say your a good bloke. Is that it?
No - please see my previous detailed post on what I stand for there are a number of key issues here. You can also reference my blog if you wish as well.
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Your doing some mighty fine work in the forums these days Gerkin :clapping
What do you mean 'these days' Dez Banderas? Are you related to either Tony Flags or Phil Anderson? Because if you are i think i know your mum from back in the day.
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Your doing some mighty fine work in the forums these days Gerkin :clapping
What do you mean 'these days' Dez Banderas? Are you related to either Tony Flags or Phil Anderson? Because if you are i think i know your mum from back in the day.
Well lets be honest you made a slow start in here. Its good to see you working hard on your comedy routines. ;D
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On the issue of debt - I am not privy to the plan that the Richmond board are working on currently as it will not be ready till February 2011. If I am elected to the board then I will be made aware of this plan as it stands and only then will I be able to comment on it and assist with its development. So what can I say here? My only statement with respect to debt is that it must be eradicated to ensure the long term financial stability of our club. What is my plan to eradicate debt. This is a moot point as I am told that there is already a plan that is being worked on, just can't tell me what it is. So all I can say here is that when I get to see it then I can comment.
You were asked about what you would do to fix the debt issue, not comment on the plan that you don't know about. We already know there is a plan to address the debt issue, so if you are happy that this plan is in place, then how can you consider the debt issue one of your platforms for election?
You have still offered nothing in regards to solutions, just pointing out the problems. I don't know how many times this needs to be mentioned.
Have you seen the plan from the directors that are up for re-nomination? Are you critical of not seeing their plan for debt reduction as well? I am told that this will be in place by February 2011. Do you think that this is acceptable or would you like to see something on the table from them so that you know what you are voting for? Or is it ok to go on trust? Remembering that this debt has been in place for at least 6 previous elections without action.
so what you are saying Phil is that we should trust you because you say your a good bloke. Is that it?
I think that Phil is saying that people expect him to give out his plan for debt reduction prior to the election, but are happy to wait until Feb for the existing board to release their plan.
It's actually fair point, if I'm understanding it correctly.
You are understanding this very correctly.
That's all well and good, but you are the one who is trying to convince members on why you should be in over them. Everything the board has done in the past 2 years has been very positive, so you need a hell of a lot more than just pointing out problems to win votes. Clearly I'm not alone on this, you would be far more likely to win votes if you put some actual ideas forward.
You remind me of a character on South Park called Captain Hindsight
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Your doing some mighty fine work in the forums these days Gerkin :clapping
What do you mean 'these days' Dez Banderas? Are you related to either Tony Flags or Phil Anderson? Because if you are i think i know your mum from back in the day.
Well lets be honest you made a slow start in here. Its good to see you working hard on your comedy routines. ;D
No need to be honest Dez ;D
Phil, one more question I think needs answering is how do you rate Peggy Haines and how do you rate her compared to your wife? If she's hotter than your wife you should maybe think about getting a new wife before the election. It may get you some more votes but primarily it will get you out of a massive rut, because Peggy H is a woofer let me tell you.
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That's all well and good, but you are the one who is trying to convince members on why you should be in over them. Everything the board has done in the past 2 years has been very positive, so you need a hell of a lot more than just pointing out problems to win votes. Clearly I'm not alone on this, you would be far more likely to win votes if you put some actual ideas forward.
You remind me of a character on South Park called Captain Hindsight
It would seem Phil just doesn't get it; that is what people are asking him
We seem to be going around in circles
Also, Mr Anderson, please don't use the line "some are more passionate than others". I find it insulting. Running for the board doesn't mean you are more passionate about the Club than anyone else.... others direct that passion and desire to help in other ways
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Your doing some mighty fine work in the forums these days Gerkin :clapping
What do you mean 'these days' Dez Banderas? Are you related to either Tony Flags or Phil Anderson? Because if you are i think i know your mum from back in the day.
Well lets be honest you made a slow start in here. Its good to see you working hard on your comedy routines. ;D
No need to be honest Dez ;D
Phil, one more question I think needs answering is how do you rate Peggy Haines and how do you rate her compared to your wife? If she's hotter than your wife you should maybe think about getting a new wife before the election. It may get you some more votes but primarily it will get you out of a massive rut, because Peggy H is a woofer let me tell you.
crikey i been kicked outa big footy for less
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Your doing some mighty fine work in the forums these days Gerkin :clapping
What do you mean 'these days' Dez Banderas? Are you related to either Tony Flags or Phil Anderson? Because if you are i think i know your mum from back in the day.
Well lets be honest you made a slow start in here. Its good to see you working hard on your comedy routines. ;D
No need to be honest Dez ;D
Phil, one more question I think needs answering is how do you rate Peggy Haines and how do you rate her compared to your wife? If she's hotter than your wife you should maybe think about getting a new wife before the election. It may get you some more votes but primarily it will get you out of a massive rut, because Peggy H is a woofer let me tell you.
crikey i been kicked outa big footy for less
Really?
Your trolling must have been sh!te.
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I am bewildered mate! :-\
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You all sound like a pack of Gary March muppets!
Keep punching Philsy.
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I love Gary March like I love Davey's mother.
I also consider Phil a close friend. Go Phil! :clapping
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I love Gary March like I love Davey's mother.
I also consider Phil a close friend. Go Phil! :clapping
Who is Davey? Some sort of pedo? ???
Agree with your comments though. Like I said earlier, Philsy is a genius. I also consider him to be a great friend. :thumbsup
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You all sound like a pack of Gary March muppets!
Keep punching Philsy.
I have been a massive critic of March in the past, especially when his own company was losing millions
He's done well lately though and have softened my position substantially
Has nothing to do with Phil's politician type avoidance of questions
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That's all well and good, but you are the one who is trying to convince members on why you should be in over them. Everything the board has done in the past 2 years has been very positive, so you need a hell of a lot more than just pointing out problems to win votes. Clearly I'm not alone on this, you would be far more likely to win votes if you put some actual ideas forward.
You remind me of a character on South Park called Captain Hindsight
It would seem Phil just doesn't get it; that is what people are asking him
We seem to be going around in circles
Also, Mr Anderson, please don't use the line "some are more passionate than others". I find it insulting. Running for the board doesn't mean you are more passionate about the Club than anyone else.... others direct that passion and desire to help in other ways
Mr Powell, I think you clearly misunderstand my comments. When I said some are more passionate than others I was certainly not referring to myself I was referring to others on your forum, so there were no insults intended from my end.
We are not going around in circles unless you are not understanding my position. If you are not understanding my position then please re-read my previous post as I am not sure that I can be more clear on my position. Please also ensure that you have been very clearly answered by the other nominees so that you and all others on this forum can compare my comments directly against the incumbents as I am yet to see anything that directly compares to my comments made in a previous post. Can you please advise me what policies that the incumbents have clearly stated that relate to the following:
Debt? (Maybe we will see something in Febraury 2011)
Stand Alone VFL Team? (All seem happy with Coburg alignment)
Sponsorship? This is a big one!!! (Nothing yet!!!)
Selling Home Games? (if finances do not improve we will continue to sell home games)
I have not heard anything that has substance. Have you? If you have please feel free to let me know. I look forward to your comments.
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Mr Powell, I think you clearly misunderstand my comments. When I said some are more passionate than others I was certainly not referring to myself I was referring to others on your forum, so there were no insults intended from my end.
We are not going around in circles unless you are not understanding my position. If you are not understanding my position then please re-read my previous post as I am not sure that I can be more clear on my position. Please also ensure that you have been very clearly answered by the other nominees so that you and all others on this forum can compare my comments directly against the incumbents as I am yet to see anything that directly compares to my comments made in a previous post. Can you please advise me what policies that the incumbents have clearly stated that relate to the following:
Debt? (Maybe we will see something in Febraury 2011)
Stand Alone VFL Team? (All seem happy with Coburg alignment)
Sponsorship? This is a big one!!! (Nothing yet!!!)
Selling Home Games? (if finances do not improve we will continue to sell home games)
I have not heard anything that has substance. Have you? If you have please feel free to let me know. I look forward to your comments.
We haven't heard anything of substance from you either
Remember, the incumbents cannot speak, it is against the bylaws, the only thing we can base our decision on is from the board as a whole and the decisions the club is making to move forward.
Debt - as you said there is a plan to be presented in February. Obviously you cannot comment on something that isn't public yet, but you also haven't put forward your ideas of what we should do either no matter how many times its asked. Perhaps you don't have any as that's what it looks like.
Stand Alone Team - Has been discussed quite openly that finances prevent it currently. That being said, the decision may be made for us for the 2012 season with talks of moving back to an AFL reserves competition. So not sure if this is a platform to be elected on, nor is pushing for a stand alone team when it will only make us lose a lot of money each year.
Sponsorship - Name one AFL team that makes public negotiations with potential sponsors? Why the rush, wouldn't it be best for us to take our time to get the best deal possible, not just bend over and take the first offer on the table? What are your ideas on HOW we should be getting better sponsorships and what YOU will be able to do to help secure these deals?
Selling Home Games - If finances don't improve? Considering we are making profits every year, I'm not sure how this could possibly be seen as a likely scenario. The board has made public it's desire to play 11 home games at the MCG but the AFL don't give it to us. Electing you is not going to make the AFL change their mind unless you have some photos of Demetriou & Anderson in bed together. If you do then maybe you should tell us as it may get you in.
You are still just pointing out problems and offering no solutions
Or you could ignore my questions again
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Can you please advise me what policies that the incumbents have clearly stated that relate to the following:
Debt? (Maybe we will see something in Febraury 2011)
Stand Alone VFL Team? (All seem happy with Coburg alignment)
Sponsorship? This is a big one!!! (Nothing yet!!!)
Selling Home Games? (if finances do not improve we will continue to sell home games)
I have not heard anything that has substance. Have you? If you have please feel free to let me know. I look forward to your comments.
Debt. I would think that the publicly stated 3-0-75 plan and the promise to reveal further steps of the plan in Feb is a very clear statement of the policy of the incumbents. As for my personal opinions on that as a member, I don't need to know any more than that right now. I am not impatient or unrealistic enough to demand answers today when I have confidence in the direction that the board has taken the club over the past few years. I'm not as bent up on the debt level as some others as I believe that the rat-infested sinking ship that was RFC circa 2004 had so many problems that no board in existence could have done a complete and satisfactory rescue job in just a few years. It took McGuire and Costa many years to refloat their collective ships and I could mount a strong case that we were in a worse starting point than either of them. We have been able to service the debt quite well while we rebuilt our facilities, turned large losses into consistent profits, increased revenue streams and undertook a complete rebuild of club personnel in all areas, administrative and football. This was never going to be achieved in a short time frame and even though mistakes were made we have continued to move forward - not always on field but certainly as a club. As a priority we needed to get our house in order off field first and I believe the current board have done a very good job of that. Please also understand that I did not vote for any of this current group back in 2004 so this is a recognition from me that I misjudged their capacity, capabilities and intentions back then Now that we have taken big strides in many areas it is an appropriate time to address the next tier of issues and that is were I place our debt level. While we have been able to turn consistent profits while servicing the debt, you don't need to be a Rhodes Scholar to know that no debt is preferable. With the right executive personnel in place and firmer financial stability underfoot, we now have 3-0-75. That works for me and I see no need for change at this point, on this point.
Stand Alone Team. I would think that the publicly stated intention of remaining affiliated with Coburg is a very clear statement of policy of the incumbents. Just because a couple of the most recent Grand Finals have been won by teams with their own VFL team, that doesn't prove a thing in regard to the best way of doing things. How many premierships have been won by stand alone teams since this system came into being? It didn't seem to hamper Sydney and West Coast during their reign at the top. When you place so much emphasis on removing our debt, why would you then espouse an unproven move that will cost the club quite a few hundred thousand $$'s each year? I fear that you are quite naive if you think we (Richmond) don't exercise significant influence over team selection at Coburg and that our senior list players don't get all the development in all the positions that the senior coaching group want. Personally I see no appreciable benefit for the heavy financial cost.
Sponsorship. I would think that the purpose of the board members is to provide direction to the CEO on the outcomes they require of the football club. They might be able to facilitate introductions to sponsorship possibilities through their own network but at the end of the day they are not responsible for sponsorship and removing/replacing directors based on their capacity in this area is not good policy. If this matters to you, why don't you just pass on your information and knowledge to Benny Gale anyway? Why do you need to run for the board just to facilitate this? And if the club fails in the area of sponsorship then ultimately it is Gale's head that will roll, not any of the board's.
Selling home games. Possibly the only area where you might have a point of difference to the incumbents as they are obviously in agreement with the current direction in this area. Personally, it doesn't affect me like the Melb-based members and coteries because I live interstate and only get to use my membership a couple of times a year anyway. And when the club is in a phase of driving it's membership base up then you could argue that more interstate exposure is not necessarily a bad thing. I would agree with you that it would not be preferable to become a permanent thing but given today's circumstances and the promises from the executive that it is not long term then I don't have a problem. Pretty much more of the 'doing what has to be done'. And all of the above are not nearly enough collectively for me to remove any of the incumbents. Sorry, but thank you for maintaining your dialogue and discussions with us in a reasoned manner. At the end of the day we are all Tigers.
:gotigers
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Remember, the incumbents cannot speak, it is against the bylaws, the only thing we can base our decision on is from the board as a whole and the decisions the club is making to move forward.
And perhaps here in lies a big issue.
The bottom line is that many people are really just guessing when they vote in these elections.
As smokey has said, we can see the direction the board is taking collectively, but most of us would actually know very little about the individuals and their contribution.
For someone wishing to challenge they are in a tenuous position. If they dont make themselves known to the punters it will work against them. If they do as the two challengers have, they are expected to answer a swag of questions, some which they can't and many of which people are not expecting the current board members to answer.
Personally I think the timing is out ( I know that cant be controlled) - either a year too late or possibly two years too early, nor have either of the candidates inspired me enough to vote them in ( I wouldnt have a clue as to who i would vote out if that was the case) and I found phil's fear mongering use of last seasons ladder position alarming.
Perhaps what is needed is a night where all all existing board members and challengers can face the members and answer questions so members can make a better informed decision.
Change for the sake of change, lack of change because of reluctance to embrace change, or making your decision based on the nominees occupation, who they work for, gender, any other such thing, are all as backwards as each other.
Just on the affiliation with Coburg, I tried to find out in the chat with March as to what benefits the affiliation has over a stand alone team, besides costing, but no answer was forthcoming.
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I came up with an idea that I posted a while back. The club should put together a video package of each candidate and stick it on the club website. Each candidate should answer say 8 to 12 questions - each candidate should get the same questions. That way all the members can hear and see the answers and get an understanding of all the candidates. This would be a good reform for the club. The only question is who develops the questions?
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The only question is who develops the questions?
The OER forum members. A finer group of well-rounded (well, round anyway) balanced individuals you will ne'er find!
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The only question is who develops the questions?
The OER forum members. A finer group of well-rounded (well, round anyway) balanced individuals you will ne'er find!
I nominate that Gherkin fella!
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The only question is who develops the questions?
The OER forum members. A finer group of well-rounded (well, round anyway) balanced individuals you will ne'er find!
Who are you calling balanced?
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Mr Powell, I think you clearly misunderstand my comments. When I said some are more passionate than others I was certainly not referring to myself I was referring to others on your forum, so there were no insults intended from my end.
We are not going around in circles unless you are not understanding my position. If you are not understanding my position then please re-read my previous post as I am not sure that I can be more clear on my position. Please also ensure that you have been very clearly answered by the other nominees so that you and all others on this forum can compare my comments directly against the incumbents as I am yet to see anything that directly compares to my comments made in a previous post. Can you please advise me what policies that the incumbents have clearly stated that relate to the following:
Debt? (Maybe we will see something in Febraury 2011)
Stand Alone VFL Team? (All seem happy with Coburg alignment)
Sponsorship? This is a big one!!! (Nothing yet!!!)
Selling Home Games? (if finances do not improve we will continue to sell home games)
I have not heard anything that has substance. Have you? If you have please feel free to let me know. I look forward to your comments.
Phil,
I have read everything you've posted here (which in most casesis what is on your blog), read you blog, read your 100 words on the election stuff that came in the mail. I have read it all
Bottom line is you've been asked a number of question on here and haven't come up with one answer that offers me any idea on HOW you would improve things. You've told me ad nauseum about what's wrong but offered nothing of substance as to how or what oyur plans is fix the debt, increase sponsorship etc.
You have made a lot of comments that on the surface appear simply things you know that members want to hear (eg a stand alone VFL team), that will stir emotion and hopefully translate into a vote for you
You were asked by a number of people to give a reason why they should vote for you and you've continued to avoid answering that question. Why is it so hard to give a reason why? Saying we need change for the sake of it isn't a good enough reason for me at least.
On your four points: Both Infamy & smokey have covered my views rather well but I will add the following:
Debt? (Maybe we will see something in Febraury 2011): as already mentioned the 3-0-75000 plan is the first step. I have no doubt we will see something in February. Why? because with Benny Gale at the helm the RFC of 2010 actually sees projects through. Rather than our previous way of starting something, stopping, moving onto something else and getting back to it later.
Stand Alone VFL Team? (All seem happy with Coburg alignment) How do you know they are happy with it? I reckon ever team in the AFL if they could would run their own team but running stand alone VFL teams are not cheap. Bottom line is we have a choice. We are working on the devt first rightly and then we see what happens. This is a smart move and one you actually endorse so I am not sure exactly what is you are trying to achieve with your constant referral to it?
Sponsorship? This is a big one!!! (Nothing yet!!!): I am disppointed that we haven't finalised anything yet. But I have no doubt that it will get done and it will be the best deal for the Club. SPonsorship in sport is a tough gig when you have 10 Vic based clubs, 2 A League teams, a NRL team and now a rugby union team.
Selling Home Games? (if finances do not improve we will continue to sell home games): I thought Gary March covered this off in his chat on-line last week. He made it clear once the debt is clear then we wont be doing it. Didn't you read that?
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Al, that was just a post which hit the sweet spot.
Thanks mate and well done. :thumbsup
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Mr Powell, I think you clearly misunderstand my comments. When I said some are more passionate than others I was certainly not referring to myself I was referring to others on your forum, so there were no insults intended from my end.
We are not going around in circles unless you are not understanding my position. If you are not understanding my position then please re-read my previous post as I am not sure that I can be more clear on my position. Please also ensure that you have been very clearly answered by the other nominees so that you and all others on this forum can compare my comments directly against the incumbents as I am yet to see anything that directly compares to my comments made in a previous post. Can you please advise me what policies that the incumbents have clearly stated that relate to the following:
Debt? (Maybe we will see something in Febraury 2011)
Stand Alone VFL Team? (All seem happy with Coburg alignment)
Sponsorship? This is a big one!!! (Nothing yet!!!)
Selling Home Games? (if finances do not improve we will continue to sell home games)
I have not heard anything that has substance. Have you? If you have please feel free to let me know. I look forward to your comments.
Phil,
I have read everything you've posted here (which in most casesis what is on your blog), read you blog, read your 100 words on the election stuff that came in the mail. I have read it all
Bottom line is you've been asked a number of question on here and haven't come up with one answer that offers me any idea on HOW you would improve things. You've told me ad nauseum about what's wrong but offered nothing of substance as to how or what oyur plans is fix the debt, increase sponsorship etc.
You have made a lot of comments that on the surface appear simply things you know that members want to hear (eg a stand alone VFL team), that will stir emotion and hopefully translate into a vote for you
You were asked by a number of people to give a reason why they should vote for you and you've continued to avoid answering that question. Why is it so hard to give a reason why? Saying we need change for the sake of it isn't a good enough reason for me at least.
On your four points: Both Infamy & smokey have covered my views rather well but I will add the following:
Debt? (Maybe we will see something in Febraury 2011): as already mentioned the 3-0-75000 plan is the first step. I have no doubt we will see something in February. Why? because with Benny Gale at the helm the RFC of 2010 actually sees projects through. Rather than our previous way of starting something, stopping, moving onto something else and getting back to it later.
Stand Alone VFL Team? (All seem happy with Coburg alignment) How do you know they are happy with it? I reckon ever team in the AFL if they could would run their own team but running stand alone VFL teams are not cheap. Bottom line is we have a choice. We are working on the devt first rightly and then we see what happens. This is a smart move and one you actually endorse so I am not sure exactly what is you are trying to achieve with your constant referral to it?
Sponsorship? This is a big one!!! (Nothing yet!!!): I am disppointed that we haven't finalised anything yet. But I have no doubt that it will get done and it will be the best deal for the Club. SPonsorship in sport is a tough gig when you have 10 Vic based clubs, 2 A League teams, a NRL team and now a rugby union team.
Selling Home Games? (if finances do not improve we will continue to sell home games): I thought Gary March covered this off in his chat on-line last week. He made it clear once the debt is clear then we wont be doing it. Didn't you read that?
Mr Powell,
I know that you are passionate to get answers about exactly how all our problems would be solved and my role in that, but this is not the forum to go through these issues in detail suffice to say that this forum is about getting to know who I am and what I stand for. Gaining credibility in a very short time is a difficult process, but those that know me understand that I am determined to succeed and put my knowledge and capabilities to the betterment of the Richmond Football Club. The key criteria is that I show you what I stand for and where I wish to take the club. Bearing in mind also, that should I be successful in gaining a seat on the board that I will have one vote out of 9 votes. This is unlike a normal election process whereby there are two parties and you vote for either of the two.
Unfortunately I do not have the benefit of inside information as I am not currently on the board thereby making it difficult to comment on specifics. The only thing that I can look at from the outside is what has or has not been achieved. Reviewing Gary's chat on the Richmond website there were no specifics provided by Gary on how issues would be addressed and exactly what would be done, just that they either were or weren't on the radar at this time. And I might add under no circumstances should we air ideas that can and possibly would be used by other clubs if this information was made public.
With respect to Sponsorship, I am committed to a considerably closer relationship than it appears that we have at this current time. Each of our major sponsors signs on and then signs off. We have no longevity.
The person that nominated me to stand for the board was Cliff Gale - Managing Director of Lite N' Easy. Lite N' Easy are one of Richmond's largest sponsors and perhaps the largest left at this time. Cliff asked me to put something on my blog, which I hope you don't mind if I cut and paste here for all to see.
“With great confidence and anticipation I nominated Philip Anderson to be elected to the Board at the Richmond Football Club … he is a great bloke and man with enormous passion and determination which has enabled him to establish a very successful and fast growing business. He is a listener and I believe he will be a wonderful asset to our Board.
As a current sponsor of the Richmond Football Club it is essential that we have a strong impetus and drive quality sponsorship dollars into the Football Club … Phil is committed to this process. Phil, I wish you all the best in your endeavours”
I know that you find it difficult to vote for me, but my job is to show that you will have a high quality candidate working very hard for you and all other members of the Richmond Football Club.
Thank you again for giving me the opportunity to voice my views.
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[Mr Powell,
I know that you are passionate to get answers about exactly how all our problems would be solved and my role in that, but this is not the forum to go through these issues in detail suffice to say that this forum is about getting to know who I am and what I stand for. Gaining credibility in a very short time is a difficult process, but those that know me understand that I am determined to succeed and put my knowledge and capabilities to the betterment of the Richmond Football Club. The key criteria is that I show you what I stand for and where I wish to take the club. Bearing in mind also, that should I be successful in gaining a seat on the board that I will have one vote out of 9 votes. This is unlike a normal election process whereby there are two parties and you vote for either of the two.
There in lies problem. I still don't quite know what you stand for despite all your long responses to questions. And at the end of the day for me at least you give repsonses not concrete answers. All you've done is repeatedly told me what's supposedly wrong with the place. You've been critical of the incumbents which is your right but you have failed to address the issues when we've raised questions which in turn has meant we've been critical of you
With respect to Sponsorship, I am committed to a considerably closer relationship than it appears that we have at this current time. Each of our major sponsors signs on and then signs off. We have no longevity.
Again how do you the relationships aren't close? You seem to be making an assumption based on what exactly? The person who nominated for the board?
Sorry on the part I've underlined I cannot agree.
I posted this either on this thread or on another one but do you remember the TAC? Up unitl they pulled the pin (rightly so IMHO) our deal with them was the 2nd longest continuos sponsorship arrangment in the comp behind Geelong and Ford. We had Motorola for 4-5 years before they decided to cease their sponsorship which wasn't the Club's fault it was a decision made by Motorola. We had AFG for 3-4 years until the GFC hit again not the Clubs fault. As for idiot Smith & LuXbet - they are remaining but at a llower evel so that tells me that the Club must be doing something right or they would have walked away completely.
Sometimes (and I know this wont suit your arguement) companies just decide to cease their involvement. They start with a very clear strategy and once they achieve what they set out to do they walk away. Nothing more nothing less.
As I said yesterday sponsorship in sport in this state is tough gig always has been always will be. And I reckon to use the stance that we cannot hang onto sponsors is this case is just a form of fear mongering when history tells us that it isn't necessarily the case.
The person that nominated me to stand for the board was Cliff Gale - Managing Director of Lite N' Easy. Lite N' Easy are one of Richmond's largest sponsors and perhaps the largest left at this time. Cliff asked me to put something on my blog, which I hope you don't mind if I cut and paste here for all to see.
“With great confidence and anticipation I nominated Philip Anderson to be elected to the Board at the Richmond Football Club … he is a great bloke and man with enormous passion and determination which has enabled him to establish a very successful and fast growing business. He is a listener and I believe he will be a wonderful asset to our Board.
As a current sponsor of the Richmond Football Club it is essential that we have a strong impetus and drive quality sponsorship dollars into the Football Club … Phil is committed to this process. Phil, I wish you all the best in your endeavours”
Now I know Cliff (though Cliff wouldn't remember me ;D). I know he is a passionate Tiger member and supporter but ethically I will admit I have an issue with his decision to nominate you.
Did he do it as a member who happens to be a sponsor or a sponsor who happens to be a member? For me it seems a bit of a conflict of interest here but that's just my take.
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"Sometimes (and I know this wont suit your arguement) companies just decide to cease their involvement. They start with a very clear strategy and once they achieve what they set out to do they walk away. Nothing more nothing less."
willy, that is just a show of blind loyalty to the board.
What a poor excuse to justify our current sponsorship issues.
There is a clear lack of strategy when securing long term sponsors, what we are doing is tactically getting what we can due to not having the right contacts and thought process when developing plans to land long term partnerships.
Sponsors are looking for "high engagement" activities with their clients when considering who to partner and what return it will generate. Create value with the deal and watch the value of the sponsorship grow over time.
A good example is the arrangement Hawthorn have with Tasmanian football. There's a reason north and the afl failed and it's linked to deep collaboration and high engagement with the community and the hfc.
Richmond are stuck in a mire of tactical, opportunistic deals, I hoping Benny will be addressing that with the current deal.
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"Sometimes (and I know this wont suit your arguement) companies just decide to cease their involvement. They start with a very clear strategy and once they achieve what they set out to do they walk away. Nothing more nothing less."
willy, that is just a show of blind loyalty to the board.
What a poor excuse to justify our current sponsorship issues.
Y&B nothing could be further fromt eh truth
Trust me it isn't blind faith it is my opinion and view based on first hand experience :thumbsup
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WP smashes Phil for six, straight back over his head into the crowd! :gotigers
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"Sometimes (and I know this wont suit your arguement) companies just decide to cease their involvement. They start with a very clear strategy and once they achieve what they set out to do they walk away. Nothing more nothing less."
willy, that is just a show of blind loyalty to the board.
What a poor excuse to justify our current sponsorship issues.
Y&B nothing could be further fromt eh truth
Trust me it isn't blind faith it is my opinion and view based on first hand experience :thumbsup
so do you think we have the skill, experience and capability to develop the long term sponsors we need to avoid have this charade every other year where we are waiting to release club merchandise because we don't have agreements in place?
This is elite management?
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so do you think we have the skill, experience and capability to develop the long term sponsors we need to avoid have this charade every other year where we are waiting to release club merchandise because we don't have agreements in place?
This is elite management?
Every other year? Apart from Luxbet who we had as a major for only 2 years this "every other year" argument doens't hold. IMHO it is pretty clear that Luxbet had a strategy - new company trying to establish its brand nationally looked to a sporting sponsorship to achieve that aim. They achieve their goal and scale back - as I said it does happen
this is only the 2nd time I can remember where we have been in this sitauation of a delay in releasing merch because of a major sponsor not being on board. We aren't the first club it has happened to and we wont be the last
I will say it again the sponsorship market is bloody tough - these things take time. Do I wish it was different - bloody oath I do! I wish it was signed sealed and delivered but it isn't and I will trust Beeny Gale and his team to get this done
And yes personally, I think we have the right management team and structure at the Club now to get the absolute best deal for this footy club.
And one more small point. It is not the job of the board to find sponsors and sign them (certainly their contacts help) it is the job of the management and the various departments of the club.
Unfortunately this seems to have got lost in some of the nominees postings as they seem to lay the blame of the current sponsorship situation soley at the feet of the incumbents
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The only question remaining on Phils candidacy is "Should 10 Flags have run instead of Phil for the Board?"
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The only question remaining on Phils candidacy is "Should 10 Flags have run instead of Phil for the Board?"
Why not...........All you have to do is tell us "How" you are going to implement any changes and we would all vote for you ;D
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Implementation is simple. We come on here and the powerbrokers on OER decide whether or not we can proceed. Without OER's powerbrokers determining RFC policy the club cannot move forward :lol
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"this is only the 2nd time I can remember where we have been in this sitauation of a delay in releasing merch because of a major sponsor not being on board. We aren't the first club it has happened to and we wont be the last"
when was the 1st time? How many GMs of Operations (Sales&Marketing) have we had during that time?
Do we currently have the right people or is that why our CEO is involved?
"And yes personally, I think we have the right management team and structure at the Club now to get the absolute best deal for this footy club. :rollin"
why do you think that way?
How do you know they are going to get the best deal?
What is it the club have changed to improve the outcome this time?
You say that we have the right management team but honestly is that based on anything other than blind faith when you look at in context of gaining sponsorship $?
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"And yes personally, I think we have the right management team and structure at the Club now to get the absolute best deal for this footy club. :rollin"
why do you think that way?
How do you know they are going to get the best deal?
What is it the club have changed to improve the outcome this time?
You say that we have the right management team but honestly is that based on anything other than blind faith when you look at in context of gaining sponsorship $?
Blind faith? surly you can see the current board has made massive in road's in the past couple of years? I have faith in both what they have achieved and direction they are taking us in, why cut there legs off now and send us back to square one??
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I agree board have provided better direction and purpose in the past year or so.
And I agree that this us not the time to change the board,we veered off topic and when talking sponsorship, I just see a disturbing trend with lost sponsorships and a lack of thought into establishing long term relationships. Luxbet and DS are a classic case of only ever being a short term appointment so where was the planning to replace at a major level well before renewal was up?
The appointment of Benny Gale gives me confidence that they will address sponsorship related issues in the long term.
However, it is still a hole in our business, it's one thing to have the right intent, another thing to have the capability to execute.
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The sting has gone out of this now. I think most have voted or made up their minds who to vote for. The two newbies have said their piece and we have replied. Good luck to everyone, but I think the incumbents will prevail.
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when was the 1st time? How many GMs of Operations (Sales&Marketing) have we had during that time?
Do we currently have the right people or is that why our CEO is involved?
When we were trying to replace AFG at the end of 2008. Luxbet came on board it the Feb of 2009. And don't forget during that time we had a sponsor (sporstbet.com) that was commited long term but the AFL in their wisdom vetoed it..
The CEO is involved becasue he should be the buck stops with him. The CEO should be involved in the high end of negotiations. Do you seriously believe that Gart Pert wasn't involved in the CGU deal or that Brian Cook doesn't get involved in at Geelong? Peter Jackson when CEO at the Bombers did the Samsung deal.
why do you think that way?
How do you know they are going to get the best deal?
What is it the club have changed to improve the outcome this time?
You say that we have the right management team but honestly is that based on anything other than blind faith when you look at in context of gaining sponsorship $?
One of the reasons I think that way is because the Club have made decisions that I DON'T agree with. I am a coterie member and in 2011 the Club have changed the structure of a couple of the groups. I don't agree with the changes but after discussing it with them I understand why they've done it. Making tough calls and not pandering to a few shows strong leadership IMHO
How do you know they aren't going for the and aren't going to get the best deal?
I said before my views aren't based on blind faith. They are based on alot of research and first hand experience. But if you believe that they are simply blind faith then that's your choice
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Are you saying the club used to pander to you WP :P
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Are you saying the club used to pander to you WP :P
:lol gee I wish Gerk
No I think in the past they have pandered to a number of groups (some influential supporters & the higher end coteries). In the past I reckon they were always trying to keep them happy at any cost sometimes to the detiriment of the club.
It's always been my view that no one member is more important than another and as such no member, influential supporter or sponsor has the right to dictate to the Club what the Club should or shouldn't do. And as members/supporters we shouldn't put conditions on how we support the Club. That is if we don't get what we want we crack the sads and walk away. The Club needs to be as transparent as it can be and in my case with regard to my coterie group I made a phone call and they have explained to me why they have made the changes they have
I think I've just expalined what I stand for perhaps I should have nominated for the board :rollin
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You always make a good case WP and this is no different.
I think we'll have to agree to disagree on the subject of sponsorship although I would be interested to understand more about the changes to the dept.
It seemed a little chaotic, under resourced and lacking in direction in late 2008/09 from what I'd heard.
The loss of 3 major sponsors (understand ds and luxbet continue in lesser role but substantially less $) and a number of smaller ones had me doubting if it had been fixed.
But it sounds like it's a Benny Gale ledrecovery on a number of fronts. :thumbsup
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I have placed a post on my blog http://philipandersontigers.wordpress.com/ that I wish to copy for you all to read:
Ladies and Gentlemen,
Unfortunately, I was not successful in gaining a seat on the board, however, I would like to state that it has been a process of engaging with the membership, which I have found to be very informative.
To those that voted for me, thank you for your trust and support and should I nominate again for the board I hope that you will again place your trust in me.
I have personally congratulated each of the board members that were returned and I very much look forward to their contribution to sustained success going forward.
Certainly, I will remain involved and I will very much look forward to the board providing the results that have been put on the table during this years election.
I am committed to a successful Richmond both on and off the field and if there is an opportunity for me to play a role in the future then I would strongly consider this at the time.
The debate has been a healthy process for the Richmond Football Club and I feel that all boards should be made accountable as was the case this year. The membership has spoken, however, and this means that we must now move forward together with the common goal of ensuring that Richmond once again becomes a powerhouse of the AFL competition.
I very much look forward to this time.
Thank you all again for allowing me to contribute to this years election.
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Good on ya, Phil. :cheers
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As most people would be aware the 3 incumbents were returned after the election
I must say one of the most interesting points about the election to me at least was the fact that only 3000 people voted in the election
Anyway the results
March - 2400+ votes
Matties - 1800+ votes
Haines - 1200+ votes
McKay - 1070 something votes
Anderson just over 700 votes
Credit to both Phillip & Neil for being their last night :clapping, unlike ANthony Mithen who was a no show last year after being voted out ;D
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I must say one of the most interesting points about the election to me at least was the fact that only 3000 people voted in the election
Probably a sign most members were happy with the incumbents. The difference though to a board election of a typical public company is that non-voters aren't automatically proxy votes for the Chairman (President).
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Phils gone very quite now
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Phils gone very quite now
gone back to his ivory tower to get away from the great unwashed
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Good on Phil for going quiet.
He put his hand up, campaigned, failed to get elected so has butted out and faded into the background.
How it should be, for mine.
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Forbesy is spot on. Good on ya, Phil
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It was the wrong year to challenge. Although March has been Prez for 5 years and we finished 15th, members will be happy with Dimma after his first year in charge of a very young list, happy that the club is making consecutive profits and happy with new facilities at Craigieburn and now a striking building at Punt Rd most pass every day. Even in 2011 I don't think people are expecting too much from the side. Just more signs of players and the team developing. I reckon it won't be until 2012 that expectations from members will rise and they'll want to see some on-field improvement in terms of more wins. The Club of course has planned that 2012 will be the first of 3 straight years of finals appearances :-\.
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Good on Phil for going quiet.
He put his hand up, campaigned, failed to get elected so has butted out and faded into the background.
How it should be, for mine.
I dont completely agree. he crapped on about using social media and so on and i would have thought he thought more of us, and the other websites he used, than just a place do dump his propaganda. I'd think twice before letting these clowns use the site for their own selfish purposes again.
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Didnt put forward even 1 idea of note from what I saw. All he had to do was trawl through some of the forums for some ideas and put them up.