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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on July 14, 2011, 04:55:59 PM
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Richmond
B: Chris Newman, Alex Rance, Luke McGuane
HB: Brett Deledio, Will Thursfield, Bachar Houli
C: Trent Cotchin, Dustin Martin, Shane Edwards
HF: Robin Nahas, Ben Griffiths, Bradley Helbig
F: Tyrone Vickery, Jack Riewoldt, Jake King
Foll: Andrew Browne, Reece Conca, Nathan Foley
I/C: Daniel Jackson, Matthew White, Shaun Grigg, Jake Batchelor
Emg: Shane Tuck, Mitch Morton, Mitchell Farmer
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So that's two changes ...
In: White, Browne
Out: Hislop, Post
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I wonder if this means Hislop has got his papers stamped.
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I wonder if this means Hislop has got his papers stamped.
I wonder if this means Tuck has got his papers stamped?
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He just won't bring in Tuck despite his excellent form. I think Hardwick won't play him this year and will delist him at the end of the year. Glad they dropped Hislop. I hope White can spark something. Grabbing at straws bringing Browne in.
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Gold Coast Suns side for those interested. Ablett has been named.
B: Josh Toy, Nathan Bock, Rory Thompson
HB: Joel Wilkinson, Campbell Brown, Jarrod Harbrow
C: Trent McKenzie, Jared Brennan, Harley Bennell
HF: Daniel Stanley, Tom Lynch, Gary Ablett
F: Charlie Dixon, Josh Fraser, Dion Prestia
Foll: Zac Smith, David Swallow, Michael Rischitelli
I/C: Hayden Jolly, Matt Shaw, Rex Liddy, Sam Iles
Emg: Maverick Weller, Steven May, Seb Tape
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Gus not get a game? Dominates Bellchamber but no....
How many games has White missed with his knee?
Didn't he get that injury playing reserves?
So he gets dropped, injures his knee in the 2nds then comes straight back in?
And Browne?
We win the 2nds by 10 goals but no-one played well enough to warrant a game?
They've lost the plot IMO
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SURELY WE MUST BE TANKING........ALA CARLTON WHEN THEY GOT JUDD....IS THERE SOMETHING IN THE WIND?????
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Why isn't Morton in the team?
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I wonder if this means Hislop has got his papers stamped.
I wonder if this means Tuck has got his papers stamped?
I was saying it more for the reason his being dropped for players coming back in not for another player coming in and having a go for a few weeks to see if he makes it or not.
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SURELY WE MUST BE TANKING........ALA CARLTON WHEN THEY GOT JUDD....IS THERE SOMETHING IN THE WIND?????
What are you thinking?
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SURELY WE MUST BE TANKING........ALA CARLTON WHEN THEY GOT JUDD....IS THERE SOMETHING IN THE WIND?????
if not,we're being coached by stuffwits :banghead
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If I were Tuck I would have ordered a truck of chicken poo and had it dumped at the door of Punt Road on hearing that team.
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Few things:
- Post being dropped is perplexing. I thought he showed some signs, and even Hardwick gave him a wrap in his email. Quite strange.
- Graham clearly is finished. Wont play another game for the club.
- Hislop papers are most likely stamped, which I'm sorry to say for Tom, is a good thing for the club.
- Tuck is about the stiffiest bloke in the world. Wrong place wrong time, would get a game in any side outside the top 4 easily, except for a young Gold Coast.
Interesting decisions. At the end of the day they are irrelevant to our cause. The biggest decisions of the last decade come list lodgement, trade period and draft day this year.
The can play who the want as long as they make tough correct calls on those key dates.
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I suppose they decided whites pace was more needed than tucks grunt against a side made up largely of youngsters, but stuff me sideways
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22 bitchin hits
peter falconio has more chance of getting a game than tuck
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Looks like a good side for the future imho. I wouldn't necessarily place Browne or Thursfield in that category plus a few others but overall our side is made up of developing youth. Looking at our side we have Newman and King as our elder statesmen with everyone else little more than babies. We will be pushing the GC for age :o
I think the club has acknowledged that finals or not, we are miles off the pace and we need to keep true to the over goal of the year which is play the kids and teach the structure. All the calls for Tuck are short sided. Sure he may help lift us slightly compared to someone such as a Helbig or Conca but he will not be there in a few years time.
It's hard to see past the present but we have to build for the future which is why Tuck, Hislop etc are not priority selections.
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Some cards have been marked here I reckon.
Tuck to GWS maybe ?
Graham and Hislop gone
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Looks like a good side for the future imho. I wouldn't necessarily place Browne or Thursfield in that category plus a few others but overall our side is made up of developing youth. Looking at our side we have Newman and King as our elder statesmen with everyone else little more than babies. We will be pushing the GC for age :o
I think the club has acknowledged that finals or not, we are miles off the pace and we need to keep true to the over goal of the year which is play the kids and teach the structure. All the calls for Tuck are short sided. Sure he may help lift us slightly compared to someone such as a Helbig or Conca but he will not be there in a few years time.
It's hard to see past the present but we have to build for the future which is why Tuck, Hislop etc are not priority selections.
winning more contested ball will provide more opportunities for players like conca and helbig while lessening the battering they could otherwise be subject to.
this though is probably not an issue against the suns though, thus the added pace of white, who'd you have to question if he will be here for the long haul
you can make short term decisions for long term gain.
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Looks like a good side for the future imho. I wouldn't necessarily place Browne or Thursfield in that category plus a few others but overall our side is made up of developing youth. Looking at our side we have Newman and King as our elder statesmen with everyone else little more than babies. We will be pushing the GC for age :o
I think the club has acknowledged that finals or not, we are miles off the pace and we need to keep true to the over goal of the year which is play the kids and teach the structure. All the calls for Tuck are short sided. Sure he may help lift us slightly compared to someone such as a Helbig or Conca but he will not be there in a few years time.
It's hard to see past the present but we have to build for the future which is why Tuck, Hislop etc are not
priority selections.
What about being selected on merit?
White has not played a game of football for 5 weeks, Coburg have finally showed some form so why not pro mote a couple of consistent performers?
Morton,Tuck should get games because they earnt it. At some point, kids need to see that value is placed on playing senior football by playing well at the next level down.
Gus Graham is another example where he does not have to be in our future plans to show our kids in the reserves that if you work hard in the 2s you get a game in the seniors.
Playing Andrew Browne cheapens the AFL experience and sets the wrong standard.
Poor form Dimma.
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Few things:
- Post being dropped is perplexing. I thought he showed some signs, and even Hardwick gave him a wrap in his email. Quite strange.
- Graham clearly is finished. Wont play another game for the club.
- Hislop papers are most likely stamped, which I'm sorry to say for Tom, is a good thing for the club.
- Tuck is about the stiffiest bloke in the world. Wrong place wrong time, would get a game in any side outside the top 4 easily, except for a young Gold Coast.
Interesting decisions. At the end of the day they are irrelevant to our cause. The biggest decisions of the last decade come list lodgement, trade period and draft day this year.
The can play who the want as long as they make tough correct calls on those key dates.
My take for what it's worth:-
Post:- what tha?
Graham-ain't finished, has a year on brownes contract. Translation - they haven't decided
Hislop - FO.
Tuck - yeah well....GWS anyone?
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according to leppa, Post was unlucky but a tall had to make way to bring back browne.
I think post is viewed primarily as a back up.
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Reckon coach has lost the plot
White was ordinary before his injury and would of been dropped if not injured
Tuck and Morton deserve a spot before White
How on earth does white get a game after missing 5 weeks?
Must be Brownlow medal material
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Reckon coach has lost the plot
White was ordinary before his injury and would of been dropped if not injured
Tuck and Morton deserve a spot before White
How on earth does white get a game after missing 5 weeks?
Must be Brownlow medal material
I wouldnt be surprised to see Tuck come in as late change for White!
Post should still be in the team too!
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Post needs games put into him, and he needs a game like this one, where with the 'midweek field' standard of players on the ground he is a chance of being the dominating tall on the day. Another chance to test him as a 2nd ruck goes begging too. Very disappointing decision.
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No doubt this hasn't been the coaching staff's best month.
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Reckon coach has lost the plot
White was ordinary before his injury and would of been dropped if not injured
Tuck and Morton deserve a spot before White
How on earth does white get a game after missing 5 weeks?
Must be Brownlow medal material
Maybe it s you who have lost the plot. White got injured playing for Coburg. He'd already been dropped. He had a top game there, playing a major part in the win with his third quarter. He has missed 3 weeks not 5.
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Totally agree on peoples views on Post he should be there till the end of year and given experience and some games to string it together in one position.Match committee has been pee poor last month Hislop and Farmer had a good run for 5 weeks and and they showed nothing were Post plays one game and he is dropped.Do we need Mcguane and Thursfield in the side against the suns ?? They are not the future.Give me Post anyday of the week.
Fair enough people a saying Angus's papers are stamped ,but reward guys on form and he has been in the best last 2 games for coburg.
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Reckon coach has lost the plot
White was ordinary before his injury and would of been dropped if not injured
Tuck and Morton deserve a spot before White
How on earth does white get a game after missing 5 weeks?
Must be Brownlow medal material
Maybe it s you who have lost the plot. White got injured playing for Coburg. He'd already been dropped. He had a top game there, playing a major part in the win with his third quarter. He has missed 3 weeks not 5.
Reckon a large part of this forum's losing the plot. Seems to be working itself into a frenzy of doom and gloom. Extraordinary reading.
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Well it is looking like 2006 all over isn't it. Big defeats.poor efforts etc
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Play players who are in form. It is critical to develop a culture in the club that you win your spot on merit and that if you play well in the reserves on a consistent basis you will be rewarded. Agree should have not dropped post. Agree should have brought in Tuck and Morton. Bringing Tuck into the side would not damage the young players' development. Remember winning breeds confidence if Tuck's inclusion means we win a few more games then let him play.
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Well it is looking like 2006 all over isn't it. Big defeats.poor efforts etc
lol. ...and your wonderfully uplifting posts.
Are you ADHD? You've got the least patience of anyone I've met.
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...and on this forum that is saying something.
:lol
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Well it is looking like 2006 all over isn't it. Big defeats.poor efforts etc
lol. ...and your wonderfully uplifting posts.
Are you ADHD? You've got the least patience of anyone I've met.
You posters love ignoring the facts.we have been terrible over the last 6 weeks
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Well it is looking like 2006 all over isn't it. Big defeats.poor efforts etc
lol. ...and your wonderfully uplifting posts.
Are you ADHD? You've got the least patience of anyone I've met.
You posters love ignoring the facts.we have been terrible over the last 6 weeks
Jack, wasn't this to be expected?
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Well it is looking like 2006 all over isn't it. Big defeats.poor efforts etc
lol. ...and your wonderfully uplifting posts.
Are you ADHD? You've got the least patience of anyone I've met.
You posters love ignoring the facts.we have been terrible over the last 6 weeks
Jack, wasn't this to be expected?
I guess a bad run or two is to be expected but losses to the tune of 103 points and 39 points after conceding ten straight goals are probably less expected!
I believe we have improved but the level of improvement across the board, apart from a few clubs, has been greater than ours!
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Well it is looking like 2006 all over isn't it. Big defeats.poor efforts etc
Except in 2006 the average playing age of the list was 30 and now its 22 years. You are comparing apples with oranges. Lets look at now compared to Round 1, 2010. We have come a long way from last year, and have been a lot better to watch then what a lot of people predicted at the start of the season. Have faith, if you can, it will pay off in the end. :gotigers
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I agree with rewarding players on form but under certain provisors. Firstly the form needs to be consistent and not simple from one game. Secondly the player needs to be part of the long term future of the club or be filling a hole. Tuck certainly covers my first provisor but not the second. Tuck is a tremendous accumulator of contested ball but hasn't the desposal or decision-making skills that are paramount in Dimma's selection criteria. Opposition coaches used to instruct their players to zone off Tuck, cover the other midfielders closely and allow him to turn the ball over. I love Tucky's toughness and ball winning ability but including him would be only a stop gap measure, delay our young midfielders the opportunity to learn how to win their own ball and structure up around stoppages. Additionally him may hinder our chances during games by turning the ball over.
Post should have been included but not at the expense of a ruckman. We saw what happened last week without a ruck and Post was the most expendable of our talls based on last week's performance so was therefore replaced. We have missed White's pace, defensive pressure around the forwardline and with the additional threat of Gold Coasts pacey side, he is a given.
Players such as Morton will need more than one good game at Coburg to fight their way back into the side given our structures and the knock on his denfensive side of his game.
I think the selections make sense to be honest given the players to choose from, match ups and looking towards the future. I still think there are more than a few players who are effectively warming the place of future talent - Browne being the most notable one - but overall I think calls for the coaches head's ect is a little short sighted and premature imho.
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you people are missing the point.
There are players getting games that shouldnt and one that arent getting games that should
Why not give Post 3 games in a row and see if the kid can play.
been there for 3 years now and nobody knows if he can play :banghead
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Looks like a good side for the future imho. I wouldn't necessarily place Browne or Thursfield in that category plus a few others but overall our side is made up of developing youth. Looking at our side we have Newman and King as our elder statesmen with everyone else little more than babies. We will be pushing the GC for age :o
I think the club has acknowledged that finals or not, we are miles off the pace and we need to keep true to the over goal of the year which is play the kids and teach the structure. All the calls for Tuck are short sided. Sure he may help lift us slightly compared to someone such as a Helbig or Conca but he will not be there in a few years time.
It's hard to see past the present but we have to build for the future which is why Tuck, Hislop etc are not priority selections.
looks an exceptionally ordinary side to me future or no future.
on tuck he does not have to take conca or helbigs spot ffs they dont even play midfield, or any future players spot for that matter. there are plenty in that side who are not for us in the future and of them tuck is easily the form player.
im starting to wonder if tuck is not going to gws the way its going atm.lets face it they get him for nothing and like josh fraser at gc good for the kids for a yr or 2 while they develop.
i wonder who else thinks gc will win.
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you people are missing the point.
There are players getting games that shouldnt and one that arent getting games that should
Why not give Post 3 games in a row and see if the kid can play.
been there for 3 years now and nobody knows if he can play :banghead
WP could comment on that statement about Postie easy enough! :lol
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you people are missing the point.
There are players getting games that shouldnt and one that arent getting games that should
Why not give Post 3 games in a row and see if the kid can play.
been there for 3 years now and nobody knows if he can play :banghead
agree pretty hard to argue with that. half the selected side i would hope is not earmarked as part of the future yet people argue we cant play tuck because hes not a part of the future.
he should be more of a part of the short term future than many who get games. we are about actually raising the bar at the club not going backwards.
whats even more funny we are currently getting smashed at clearances most certainly have a huge hole there and we cant bring in a form player who will fill that hole at no expense to development.
people are kidding themselves if they think we dont need to draft at least 2 very good inside mids and a shedload of outside junior mids from the nd.
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Well it is looking like 2006 all over isn't it. Big defeats.poor efforts etc
lol. ...and your wonderfully uplifting posts.
Are you ADHD? You've got the least patience of anyone I've met.
You posters love ignoring the facts.we have been terrible over the last 6 weeks
we havent been good all yr just a lot of supporters hyping up some ordinary wins against mainly mediocre sides or injury depleted sides.
at the start of the yr we knew there was a good chance that at least 20 23 players would have to go. at round 17 nothing has changed we know we have to get rid of a shedload of very ordinary players over the next few yrs.
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and what is also a problem which reflects the current form slump, for us to be competitve and win games , we need most players to play at 100% , currently we have players who cannot perform to there max ability thus we arent competitve.
Houli and Grigg are perfect examples of this.
we need most players up !
The good teams can carry passengers, we cant !
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Well it is looking like 2006 all over isn't it. Big defeats.poor efforts etc
lol. ...and your wonderfully uplifting posts.
Are you ADHD? You've got the least patience of anyone I've met.
of course its to be expected with a list full of glass half fulls of course its going to happen. it will happen next yr as well yet people hide from the obvious.
You posters love ignoring the facts.we have been terrible over the last 6 weeks
Jack, wasn't this to be expected?
I guess a bad run or two is to be expected but losses to the tune of 103 points and 39 points after conceding ten straight goals are probably less expected!
I believe we have improved but the level of improvement across the board, apart from a few clubs, has been greater than ours!
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So which tall forward should come out instead of Post? - Grittiths, Vickery, Riewoldt? Or are you thinking of a tall back he should replace? He has been disappointing at each end this season and the only player I would consider dropping for him would be Thursfield but Post is no tall shutdown defender by any stretch. Playing Post in the season side for experience alone is a luxury at present until he can earn his spot like people are calling for.
Similarly, as an inside ball winner who would Tuck replace - Foley, Cotchin or Martin? Should be play him down back as midsized backman replacing one of Deledio, Newman, Houli, Grigg, Conca, Batchelor or Helbig? Perhaps he could take the offensive place of King, Nahas or White.
I just believe before we start critise the coaches for selection we need to look beyond individual form and look at the bigger picture - structure, roles, game plan, development. Post potentially has a role to play if he can push one of the taller players out but Tuck hasn't the desposal or decision-making skills to warrant selction unless it is through necessity (injury, suspension etc).
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hey hold on a tick.
Big WHACK WHACK to Brendan Lade. who had Gus looking at the opposition ruckman at centre bounces for the first 6 rounds, not Guss fault, thats what he was told to do.
Rebounding out of D50 has changed over the past 6 weeks as well if you all havent noticed, was long kicking in first part of you and kicking over zones, now we are short kicking and causing turnovers as opposition zones are well structured.
Look at the mistakes in D50 over the past 6 week, its been cruel to watch actually.
The amount of turnovers in D50 has been atonishing :banghead
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Well it is looking like 2006 all over isn't it. Big defeats.poor efforts etc
Except in 2006 the average playing age of the list was 30 and now its 22 years. You are comparing apples with oranges. Lets look at now compared to Round 1, 2010. We have come a long way from last year, and have been a lot better to watch then what a lot of people predicted at the start of the season. Have faith, if you can, it will pay off in the end. :gotigers
this is not true the average age of the list in 06 as of 30 march was 22yrs and 313dys, the average age of the list this yr as of 24 march was 22ys and 141 days.
in 2010 we lost 9 in a row to start the season. we then won 5 of the next 6 against very ordinary sides or injury depleted sides. we then proceeded against better sides to lose 6 of the last 7 only beating a very ordinary adelaide in rnd 18. in those last 7 games we were beaten by 82 coll, 50 nm,melb 29, 89 carlton, 21 stk, and pa 10,sheesh sounds familiar oh yeah this yr.the only differenc being we won a few meaningless ones early this yr that raised feral hopes everywhere.
just how far have we come when comparing results not far at all imo.i dont expect dramatic improvement until we get enough decent cattle into our system and the shedload of list cloggers that remain are gone.
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hey hold on a tick.
Big WHACK WHACK to Brendan Lade.
He's also been in charge of stoppages this year and we have gone backwards at a rate of knots
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claw - we don't need to turn over 20+ players. That would be a disaster. Most of the side is young and developing and will take time. They all have a far greater upside to their games than Tuck who is nearing the end of his career. We do need more inside midfielders winning the ball out for us but we have them their but they just need time to gain the size to compete and a ruck to deliever the ball down to them. Very hard for a young midfield group (any midfield group in fact!) to win the ball if it is being tap directly to their opposition nine times out of ten.
You stated that our improvement has been less than other teams - I disagree. We have one of the youngest lists in the competition and with little to no experienced players of note. Every other young team, including Gold Coast, has a handful of leaders/experienced players that can lift, protect and feed the young players around them. We look to our captain and 24 year olds or younger to fill this same role. Considering where we begain at the beginning of last year our growth has been remarkable with improvement almost universal across the side.
The potential upside of our team is enormous with other teams including Melbourne, North and West Coast possessing an experienced core of midfielders/ruck that take the pressure of their younger midfielders and key position players. Our team can begun to form an excellent structure purely on the base of inexperienced talent.
Martin, Cotchin and Conca will form a wonderul midfield unit in the future but none are older that 20. Through Vickery into that center and you can see why we are struggling with clearances presently but the upside will be enormous. Helbig may join the group and Foley may remain a 2nd tier help. Name another team that has got some much from a midfield bereft of experience this year?
It's the same story at either end with our forwardline now a mix of tall talent - Jack, Vickery, Griffiths and our backline slightly behind with Rance, Grimes and Astbury. Even our older backmen of McGuane and Thursfield would be considered youn in any other team.
It's easy to look for the immediate wins but we need to keep finding players to fit our structure and then giving them the tile to learn how to play the role and work together. Tuck and Post presently don't fit that role.
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claw - we don't need to turn over 20+ players.
we need to turn over AT LEAST half that, minimum.
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claw - we don't need to turn over 20+ players. That would be a disaster. Most of the side is young and developing and will take time. They all have a far greater upside to their games than Tuck who is nearing the end of his career. We do need more inside midfielders winning the ball out for us but we have them their but they just need time to gain the size to compete and a ruck to deliever the ball down to them. Very hard for a young midfield group (any midfield group in fact!) to win the ball if it is being tap directly to their opposition nine times out of ten.
You stated that our improvement has been less than other teams - I disagree. We have one of the youngest lists in the competition and with little to no experienced players of note. Every other young team, including Gold Coast, has a handful of leaders/experienced players that can lift, protect and feed the young players around them. We look to our captain and 24 year olds or younger to fill this same role. Considering where we begain at the beginning of last year our growth has been remarkable with improvement almost universal across the side.
The potential upside of our team is enormous with other teams including Melbourne, North and West Coast possessing an experienced core of midfielders/ruck that take the pressure of their younger midfielders and key position players. Our team can begun to form an excellent structure purely on the base of inexperienced talent.
Martin, Cotchin and Conca will form a wonderul midfield unit in the future but none are older that 20. Through Vickery into that center and you can see why we are struggling with clearances presently but the upside will be enormous. Helbig may join the group and Foley may remain a 2nd tier help. Name another team that has got some much from a midfield bereft of experience this year?
It's the same story at either end with our forwardline now a mix of tall talent - Jack, Vickery, Griffiths and our backline slightly behind with Rance, Grimes and Astbury. Even our older backmen of McGuane and Thursfield would be considered youn in any other team.
It's easy to look for the immediate wins but we need to keep finding players to fit our structure and then giving them the tile to learn how to play the role and work together. Tuck and Post presently don't fit that role.
will only do a couple of points as i have to get out the door. i totally disagree we have 20 plus very ordinary players and they have to go over the next 2 or 3 seasons. a dud is a dud is a dud no matter how you wrap it up.
players who i think shane tuck offers more than, and i will only mention those who have been in the system for awhile or are 22 plus.. connors, edwards, farmer,grigg,hislop, houli, jackson,king, morton, nahas, nason, webberley and white.all smalls or mediums all with deficiencies and all at an age where they really should have clicked by now and become good decent consistent players.
i would take tuck any day over anyone of them. of course i would lump tuck in there with them but hes the best of a poor lot. now if shane tuck is no good what does it say for the rest of them.
make no mistake if we are serious about one day playing in a gf people had damn well better lower their expectations a bit and come to terms with just how much we have to do i for the life of me cant see us playing in a gf for at least 6 yrs and that is if we get most things right. getting things right is not hanging onto hacks.
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The last two games for Coburg Morton played well not just one game. Furthermore against Essendon our small forwards did not make an impact. We need an x factor in the forward line apart from Jack I don't see the problem in bringing in Morton. Bringing in Browne after one of the worst rucking displays against Carlton I have ever seen is not in the interests of the club. We need to see if Post can make it he should have a proper run in the seniors. A major deficiency in our side this year has been the ability to win the clearances. Tuck's inclusion would significantly improve us in that regard. Tuck's inclusion would not harm Cotchin's progress in the slightest it would relieve the significant burden which is being placed on Cotchin at clearances. Jackson regularly turns the ball over and is still in the side and yet he wins less of the contested football than tuck. If we had stacks of midfielders who could win the hard ball I could see the point in leaving out Tuck but we don't.
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The selectors are sniffing the same powder as a few players :shh
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i disagree with the treatment of Tuck and Gus.
Club looks pathetic,especially going in last week without a 2nd ruckman last week over naming Gus.
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i totally disagree we have 20 plus very ordinary players and they have to go over the next 2 or 3 seasons. a dud is a dud is a dud no matter how you wrap it up.
This year is certainly not the year to turn over a significant amount of players. The draft is said to be even shallower than last year with clubs looking heavily at the VFL, WAFL etc to even find players of any worth with their 3rd and beyond picks. Expect trading between clubs to be at all time high this year.
If you are referring to over 3+ years, then a 20+ player turn over is a possibility but most of our list to too young to think about putting a red line through just yet.
players who i think shane tuck offers more than, and i will only mention those who have been in the system for awhile or are 22 plus.. connors, edwards, farmer,grigg,hislop, houli, jackson,king, morton, nahas, nason, webberley and white.all smalls or mediums all with deficiencies and all at an age where they really should have clicked by now and become good decent consistent players.
i would take tuck any day over anyone of them. of course i would lump tuck in there with them but hes the best of a poor lot. now if shane tuck is no good what does it say for the rest of them.
Tuck is an in and under type. The players you listed player are not. They have completely different roles to what Tuck does. The players Tuck would need to replace would be Martin, Cotchin or Foley. This are our inside midfielders with Jackson our tagger. If he was used as a rotation player in the forwardline or backline he would be more of a hinderance than a help. I think it's time to take off the Rose Coloured Glasses with Tuck. He is not a verstile player - he was tried down back but isn't a tall stopper or a players that provides run and carry.
I love Tuck's 'see ball, get ball' toughness but we need more than that from our players now.
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The last two games for Coburg Morton played well not just one game. Furthermore against Essendon our small forwards did not make an impact. We need an x factor in the forward line apart from Jack I don't see the problem in bringing in Morton. Bringing in Browne after one of the worst rucking displays against Carlton I have ever seen is not in the interests of the club. We need to see if Post can make it he should have a proper run in the seniors. A major deficiency in our side this year has been the ability to win the clearances. Tuck's inclusion would significantly improve us in that regard. Tuck's inclusion would not harm Cotchin's progress in the slightest it would relieve the significant burden which is being placed on Cotchin at clearances. Jackson regularly turns the ball over and is still in the side and yet he wins less of the contested football than tuck. If we had stacks of midfielders who could win the hard ball I could see the point in leaving out Tuck but we don't.
If Morton has played more than one good game then I apologise. I hadn't heard any positives about his performance other than last week but he still needs to take the place of another player in the team who plays a similar role - ie King, Nahas etc I'm not sure if his defensive skills would enable this atm.
Browne's inclusion is a necessity and his choice over Gus the lesser of two evils. We need a ruck to avoid the same thing happening too us as it did last week when Vickery became exhausted. Post offered little as a support ruckman. I would imagine Vickery may ruck more this week than usual when Browne/Gus is playing. The reason we have struggled to win clearances is more to do with our rucks than our midfielders and we saw what happened to our clearances against Essendon when Vickery began to struggle.
Tuck's inclusion would not hurt Cotchin's progress...unless it was he who had to make way for him. It may hurt the stability of the midfield, the understand and familarity of each others play and game plan but most of all it would hurt one of the young inside midfielders because they would have to be excluded for him to play. Tuck's footskills are dubious at best and terrible/game changing at worst. The old 'slap it on the boot' style Tucky loves doesn't cut it any more as it comes back the other way just as fast. He hasn't the poise or skills to execute pin point passes under pressure.
This year is about finding midfielders, in fact its about finding players and all that Tuck would do is delay this...
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i totally disagree we have 20 plus very ordinary players and they have to go over the next 2 or 3 seasons. a dud is a dud is a dud no matter how you wrap it up.
This year is certainly not the year to turn over a significant amount of players. The draft is said to be even shallower than last year with clubs looking heavily at the VFL, WAFL etc to even find players of any worth with their 3rd and beyond picks. Expect trading between clubs to be at all time high this year.
If you are referring to over 3+ years, then a 20+ player turn over is a possibility but most of our list to too young to think about putting a red line through just yet.
players who i think shane tuck offers more than, and i will only mention those who have been in the system for awhile or are 22 plus.. connors, edwards, farmer,grigg,hislop, houli, jackson,king, morton, nahas, nason, webberley and white.all smalls or mediums all with deficiencies and all at an age where they really should have clicked by now and become good decent consistent players.
i would take tuck any day over anyone of them. of course i would lump tuck in there with them but hes the best of a poor lot. now if shane tuck is no good what does it say for the rest of them.
Tuck is an in and under type. The players you listed player are not. They have completely different roles to what Tuck does. The players Tuck would need to replace would be Martin, Cotchin or Foley. This are our inside midfielders with Jackson our tagger. If he was used as a rotation player in the forwardline or backline he would be more of a hinderance than a help. I think it's time to take off the Rose Coloured Glasses with Tuck. He is not a verstile player - he was tried down back but isn't a tall stopper or a players that provides run and carry.
I love Tuck's 'see ball, get ball' toughness but we need more than that from our players now.
Jackson a tagger, hasen't stopped anyone for a long time Stripes. Tuck would do Jacksons roll plus some....